patrick says on 27/Jun/08
Many comments of me have also been deleted too soon Jason!
One thing's sure Jason, Clint never got rickets!
[Editor Rob: there was a batch of comments from one day that got deleted by mistake.] Jason says on 17/Jun/08
Hey, Patrick. I was meaning to reply to you guys, then didn't come on the site for a while. Now, I finally do and find our conversation has been deleted! Blah. :P
Yeah, I actually know about vitamin D deficiency. What you said is, of course, why they started fortifying milk (and some other things) with Vitamin D. Nothing was really fortified with it here in Australia, though, because of our abundant yearly sunshine and UV. But the mistake in that is there's nowadays - with more medical knowledge - thought to be widespread Vitamin D deficiency in some people even here. It's an issue that doesn't get the attention it should, here or in America. Probably Europe, too.
patrick says on 2/Jun/08
Exactly AS! contrary to what some people claim, actors, above all "stars" used to be much taller in the prvious decade, expecially in the 50ies.
Chuck Heston always looked very tall to me (6'3). In off shots he always looks much taller than everybody else as in the planet of the apes behind the scene documentary. Nice to have sent a birthday e-card to Clint! I really appreciate!
Happy to read that there still are real "true" actors amateurs! AS says on 30/May/08
You're very welcome Patrick. I do see the popeye look on the trampoline!
Roger Moore was usually a pretty big guy in his movies-- but not next to Clint.
Just watched Omega Man and Charlton Heston certainly was a tall fellow. Its surprising, he didn't look that tall in the 50's-60's, probably due to so many tall co-stars.
It seems the large hollywood along with big cars have indeed become a thing of the past. I'll tell you though, with gas prices as they are I can't complain too much about downsizing the latter.
I too sent Clint a birthday note. I sent it to Photos@Clintwalker.com I'm not sure if this is an official address. peter says on 28/May/08
I just watched an episode of Cheyenne with Clint Walker. There was a short chubby guy in the episode with him. I was amazed to see Dan Blocker made to look small next to the huge Clint Walker. Talk about perfect genetics! Clint had it all. patrick says on 27/May/08
AS : here I go again ! Thanks for thinking of me and for these wonderful pics ! The one he’s jumping makes him looking like Popeye! Look at his arms!
As for the one he takes his bath, have you recognized Roger Moore? I did because I know that gentle 60 western.
Roger Moore was not particularly a midget though!
It is known, as “we” often said it here, that being very tall is nothing of an advantage in the movie industry even it was easier at his time where 6’3 or 4 actors were starring as John Wayne, the recently late Charlton Heston, Peck, Cooper or Jimmy Stewart.
Furthermore, most of the other stars were rarely smaller than 6’1 or 2.
But Clint was not only very tall but also huge. Cecil B. De Mille removed him from a scene of the ten Commandments (the lethal pestilence) just because he was dwarfing even Henry Wilcoxon listed at 6’4!) : “you make my stars looking like children!”.
It’s very known that C.B. de Mille loved him since he took him in his last movie (the ten…) and made him get the “Cheyenne” part instead.
I am almost sure that if C.B de Mille had kept on directing, he would have given him much more important roles.
It’s very symptomatic to see very tall actors more or less starring in TV shows. James Arness became a big TV star as Chuck Connors, Tom Selleck or Fred Dryer.
Even the tallest, Ted Cassidy had his most famous part in becoming an half dead monster in Adam’s family!
James Cromwell has a Jimmy Stewart like shape and looks like an intellectual which has saved him in his relatively late years.
Great actors as Adam Baldwin, very fine though and able to act very different parts told how hard it is now to get roles other than “beasts”.
Christopher Reeve never starred as he did in Superman and the “poor” Vince Vaughn has to play in comedies, often the “buffoon” part!
Everything has shrunk in America nowadays! Alas! From cars to actors!
David Levin: very nice and good idea for sure, to send a card to him but…how?
Pleasure to write to all of you guys! patrick says on 23/May/08
AS : here I go again ! Thanks for thinking f me and for these wonderful pics ! The one he’s jumping makes him looking like Popeye! Look at his arms!
As for the one he takes his bath, have you recognized Roger Moore? I did because I know that gentle 60 western.
Roger Moore was not particularly a midget though!
It is known, as “we” often said it here, that being very tall is nothing of an advantage in the movie industry even it was easier at his time where 6’3 or 4 actors were starring as John Wayne, the recently late Charlton Heston, Peck, Cooper or Jimmy Stewart.
Furthermore, most of the other stars were rarely smaller than 6’1 or 2.
But Clint was not only very tall but also huge. Cecil B. De Mille removed him from a scene of the ten Commandments (the lethal pestilence) just because he was dwarfing even Henry Wilcoxon listed at 6’4!) : “you make my stars looking like children!”.
It’s very known that C.B. de Mille loved him since he took him in his last movie (the ten…) and made him get the “Cheyenne” part instead.
I am almost sure that if C.B de Mille had kept on directing, he would have given him much more important roles.
It’s very symptomatic to see very tall actors more or less starring in TV shows. James Arness became a big TV star as Chuck Connors, Tom Selleck or Fred Dryer.
Even the tallest, Ted Cassidy had his most famous part in becoming an half dead monster in Adam’s family!
James Cromwell has a Jimmy Stewart like shape and looks like an intellectual which has saved him in his relatively late years.
Great actors as Adam Baldwin, very fine though and able to act very different parts told how hard it is now to get roles other than “beasts”.
Christopher Reeve never starred as he did in Superman and the “poor” Vince Vaughn has to play in comedies, often the “buffoon” part!
Everything has shrunk in America nowadays! Alas! From cars to actors!
David Levin: very nice and good idea for sure, to send a card to him but…how?
Pleasure to write to all of you guys! David Levin says on 21/May/08
To send Clint a birthday card...May 27 is his 81st, go onto his website...ClintWalker.com and you'll see his e mail address. He has some terrific autographed memorobilia for sale. patrick says on 21/May/08
AS : here I go again ! Thanks for thinking f me and for these wonderful pics ! The one he’s jumping makes him looking like Popeye! Look at his arms!
As for the one he takes his bath, have you recognized Roger Moore? I did because I know that gentle 60 western.
Roger Moore was not particularly a midget though!
It is known, as “we” often said it here, that being very tall is nothing of an advantage in the movie industry even it was easier at his time where 6’3 or 4 actors were starring as John Wayne, the recently late Charlton Heston, Peck, Cooper or Jimmy Stewart.
Furthermore, most of the other stars were rarely smaller than 6’1 or 2.
But Clint was not only very tall but also huge. Cecil B. De Mille removed him from a scene of the ten Commandments (the lethal pestilence) just because he was dwarfing even Henry Wilcoxon listed at 6’4!) : “you make my stars looking like children!”.
It’s very known that C.B. de Mille loved him since he took him in his last movie (the ten…) and made him get the “Cheyenne” part instead.
I am almost sure that if C.B de Mille had kept on directing, he would have given him much more important roles.
It’s very symptomatic to see very tall actors more or less starring in TV shows. James Arness became a big TV star as Chuck Connors, Tom Selleck or Fred Dryer.
Even the tallest, Ted Cassidy had his most famous part in becoming an half dead monster in Adam’s family!
James Cromwell has a Jimmy Stewart like shape and looks like an intellectual which has saved him in his relatively late years.
Great actors as Adam Baldwin, very fine though and able to act very different parts told how hard it is now to get roles other than “beasts”.
Christopher Reeve never starred as he did in Superman and the “poor” Vince Vaughn has to play in comedies, often the “buffoon” part!
Everything has shrunk in America nowadays! Alas! From cars to actors!
David Levin: very nice and good idea for sure, to send a card to him but…how?
Pleasure to write to all of you guys! David Levin says on 10/May/08
Clint was better looking than all of his leading ladies. It was probably difficult to find actresses to work opposite him for that reason. His birthday is May 27 (81). Make sure to send him a birthday card. AS says on 10/May/08
heres a couple pics that I came across. They are mostly shots from around his house/working out. Its been a while since I've seen Patrick on here. I know he likes these!
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I'll try to get some screenshots from some films. There is a scene in Send Me No Flowers where he gets out of and stands next to a jaguar. He makes the car look like something from the Shriners. Anonymous says on 5/May/08
It's hard to see why he din't become a really big star. He certainly had the looks and physique and his acting wasn't bad either. Probably he was held back a bit by the fact he was so physically dominating. Eastwood was 6'4'' but nowhere near as big overall as Walker and I can imagine it wasn't easy to cast Walker in parts. Even a 6'2'' guy like Lee Marvin looked small next to Walker. In the film he did with Hudson despite some comments on this site about how they are the same size Walker is clearly the bigger man by some margin. Hudson usually made his co-stars look like midgets. Da Man says on 24/Apr/08
I doubt he was 6'7". Didn't look quite that tall, IMO. Anonymous says on 20/Apr/08
I don't know if he was quite 6'7, but if anybody was, it was him. David Levin says on 17/Apr/08
He certainly towered over Burt Reynolds in height, acting and looks. Clint should have been a movie super star. Da Man says on 17/Apr/08
I just saw Sam Whiskey for the first time the other day, and Clint looked like a beast in that movie. Definitely gave the impression of a 6'6" guy. Anonymous says on 3/Apr/08
He was huge. He stood as tall as Bo Svenson and Svenson was measured at 6'6 1/2. patrick says on 25/Mar/08
WAOO! What oculd I say AS? Thanks again? It's common but sincere!
I am just rewatching the dirty dozen and just regret one thing: Clint is not present enough!
Lee Marvin whom looks here more 6'3 than 6'2 (almost matching R.Ryan, Sutherland and huge George Kennedy)is really dwarfed by Clint whom not Superman alike but "is" Superman! patrick says on 19/Mar/08
AS, just two words: THANK YOU!
You made my day in diving into what I consider as something so nostalgic!
I feel past-sick because save what Clint looks, was and still is, fortunately (!), these pics show “something else” related to a style, a lost age.
A time where kids (old kids!) as Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt (old baby) or else, worse, Colin Farrell could just have been hired to help them coffee!
Thanks again AS.
BTW, a real giant as broad as a tank in each pic! David Levin says on 6/Mar/08
To see the Clint Walker, Alex Karas contrast, click on the link that AS prvides, then click on the photo of Clint. It will show you his bio, along with a picture of Clint standing next to Karas. Alex Karas looks like a little boy next to mighty Clint. AS says on 28/Feb/08
Whats interesting is that Alex Karras was in Paper Lion with Alan Alda. If I recall correctly he was "the big guy", i.e one of the heaviest of the players and physically dominated over Alda.
Funny to see him with a 45 y/o Clint! Karas is still a massive guy, but clearly doesn't "fill" the picture. We see a similar phenomenon with Jim Brown. patrick says on 27/Feb/08
Too bad! I just could not see the photos you were referring to!
I just saw many other actors but I am sure of what you suggest.
You’re right AS! AS says on 25/Feb/08
Lol David, yes the clip with Jack Benny is quite funny. Clint looks completely floored by it.
Heres an interesting photo:
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The actor there is former detroit lion offensive lineman Alex Karras. He is listed around 6'2" and 240. Maybe the angle is off, but Clint looks MUCH taller. David Levin says on 11/Feb/08
Just go to youtube/clint walker and get ready for a special treat. There is a terrific mini bio of Clint, as well as a hilarious skit that Clint did with Jack Benny back in 1963. patrick says on 8/Feb/08
Maturity is phenomenon linked to genes history; I knew a big natural development after 24/25 and many people who were thin become sturdy when not adult but mature, that's to say after 32/35.
What matters here is the potential men have or have not.
The current Clark Kent, Tom Welling was rather slender while being muscled but a bit as Clint was at 20 or so.
Now, Tom is very bulky even though he does not work as bodybuilder as do people like Brad Pitt, Christian Bale, Matthew McConaughey and Tom Cruise.
That is up to how basically those men are built.
The Sly potential though being very high has never been the one of Arnold for example who had “no limits” in his tissues!
Clint has huge and very thick scapular blade, big bones, deep chest and that cannot be “invented”.
Many men are 6’6 but few are Clint! that being said, I wish I could open the Youtube section you referred to David!
If you ever could help me doing it… David Levin says on 7/Feb/08
Interesting thing about Clint is when you see him in the Youtube tribute as a young security guard, probably about 21 or so, his physique looks no more than average...even on the thin side. Yet, a mere 5 or so years later, and he looks like a Greek God. Check out the tribute and I think you will agree. patrick says on 7/Feb/08
Thanks AS: what you write is not only very interesting but also very rare to read! I long thought being alone in considering all what is said here and I feel better in observing I am not after all!
I am happy to see that "grown up - mature" people still exist. I met some if only just right here, in this site.
We definitely live from now on, in a too virtual world and that goes along with a loss in all what concerns "huamn material". Hard to explain; I think those who "can" figure out what I mean will do and won't need any further details. After an "up", there is a "down" as the one we are now in; so, I am sure there will be another "up" in taste and feeling which will be able to put up to the top people as Clint was. I'll probably not here any longer... AS says on 30/Jan/08
Patrick- The first link I sent contained a letter from author bill adler from 1966 (the hyperlink should take you to the exact page). In it he jokingly listed a "dream team" of justice league characters, which includes Conrad for green lantern and Clint for Superman. I just thought it was an interesting contemporary reference.
I think you are spot on about Rock Hudson as a 60's superman. I have to try to find the link, but there was a book recently published in which DC cartoonists were interviewed. They brainstormed who would been good as superman on a hypothetical TV show and narrowed it down to Clint, Rock and Peter Lupus. Again it was just done more out of bemusement than anything else, nevertheless confirms what many fans have thought.
Patrick I agree with your distinctions of natural big and bulky guys vs that almost artificial "pumped" look. Guys like Pitt or Bale (while I like them as actors) have a curious habit of being muscular in one movie and slight in another. A guy like Clint was naturally big and probably just as strong. Imagine what genes like that could do on a modern day athlete!
To your last point- the target movie audiences sure have changed. No longer do they make the great "all out" pictures that they used to. How many movies today that are geared for adults aren't automatically "R"? Seems like the distinction between "grown up" and "adult" audience is lost. patrick says on 29/Jan/08
AS, thanks a lot even though I could not see in your attachments anything related to your words (R.Conrad for example); Anyway, I always thought Bob Conrad was the only real one super hero (along with Guy Williams as Zorro) when acting as James West.
He would have been a fabulous Flash or some other else being too short to arguably play tall guys as Superman or Batman.
Look at his head and how he was built: a perfect comics hero alive!
The same with Rock Hudson whom I often said he probably, at least for a while, inspired Curt Swan, the official 60’ie and 70ies Superman cartoonist.
Rock was exactly the Superman’s face but Clint Walker was almost as good as him plus an incredible body structure.
That natural body a real superman would have if existing.
The problem, currently, is that actors have all the same “machine-sculpted” bodies!
Name just one actor, under 5o or 55 whom has not a bodybuilder musculature!
I laughed at Matthew McConaughey triceps-bull-like with Christian Bale, also pumped up!
Look at Billy Zane in the Phantom and consider him ready to contest Mr. “this” or “that”!
Clint was real very strong man and remained so as John Wayne OR Sterling Hayden were.
As far as I know, Robert Mitchum never used “iron” to be wider than any normal decent door!
I often see guys who could be Superman though…but only when “walking down the streets”!
Only Tom Welling could decently and acceptably play this role.
To finish I just would add this: in the 50ies and 60ies, audience was more mature and considered Superman or any other super hero as worthy of starring elsewhere than on TV.
They certainly do love Superman but in a way, it was a bit “childish” and successful shows on TV essentially were “dramas”. You must wait for the 70ies and above all, the 870ies to see Hulk or Charlie’s angels coming out!
By the same time, star wars could come out too, which would have been absolutely unlikely in the 60ies!
Now, it’s just the contrary and “serious” subjects have to be treated as “always-more-action” shows to just hope touching young people who compose the majority of the current movie audience.
Gone with the wind today just could not exist. AS says on 27/Jan/08
I have heard numerous references to Clint and Superman. I guess they never gained any traction, at least when it would have mattered.
Patrick, it is funny you mention justice league
here is a fan letter from what i gather the '60's as an actor wishlist:
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Clint is there, among Robert Conrad!
I'll have to try to dig up the interview I read with DC comics. It was a contemporary interview but it discussed a theoretical '60's superman movie. Included in the discussion was Rock Hudson.
Heres just a google link to such discussions. Unfortunately the contents of some of these pages are restricted due to copyright, but a cursory glance at what the search yields should give us an idea!
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Lots of people seem to see the connection
But like you say the industry used to attract a different kind of man and I agree. Remember there was a time before TV's-- acting was a hobby then. It was an activity for the everyman, even if it is in just church plays. Today's actors by and large come from a pretty narrow lot. patrick says on 25/Jan/08
Mike, this is very interesting and shows how so-called professionals are often utterly blind for the best! Not considering Clint as a possible G. Reeve’s successor just goes to show how stupid they can be!
I don’t pretend “He” would have accepted but at least, they could ask him prior to cancel the show for ever.
How nice could be Mr Reeve, he never really was Superman even though pretty good and convincing. Clint Walker was a live portrayal of the Man of Steel.
I was probably about ten when I realized that and I never changed my mind until now, at 55!
Frankly, can you ten seconds show a minimum of imagination and see Clint in the blue-red suit?
He would not have even been ridiculous as so many muscle guys would be though pro bodybuilders!
Just know that “they” envision a 6’ foot teenagelike guy to embody the Man of Steel in “the justice league”?
Clint was on of “the” Men America used to get in movie industry long ago now! Mike says on 23/Jan/08
I wrote Clint last year via his website and asked if he knew people thought he looked like the perfect Superman(I included a jpeg of an Alex Ross Superman painting) and he said he'd NEVER heard that before. Too bad they didn't find him when they were casting in the 50's.(or thought to try Supes again in the 60's) David Levin says on 24/Dec/07
Clint did not look very well in the kenny Roger's "Gambler" movie, but actually looks much better in the Annie Liebowitz photo of the Cowboy heroes taken about ten years ago for Esquire Magazine. Also, he is interviewed in the DVD release of Cheyenne, the first season, and for an 80 year old man, looks terrific. Fred Lang says on 17/Dec/07
I live in Rodeo, California where I believe Mr. Walker's mom use to live. I heard he was in town one day and though I had never seen nor met him then, I was told he walked into the local UCB bank downtown and had to duck the door way because of his height. Wish I had met him then but I have been a fan of his every since the Cheyenne series on TV.
Also, does Mr. Walker have an eye condition? I saw the movie he made with Roy Orbison during the later part of Walker's carrier and noticed an anomoly in one of his eyes. Hope he is OK. God bless you Clint Walker.
Fred Lang
Rodeo, Ca patrick says on 10/Dec/07
I really never heard of that AS ! Neither a "Superman" project in the 60ies or, that Clint was ever chosen to play "him"! Amazing!
Wow, I always thought Curt Swan took his Superman after Rock Hudson (look at him and "that's it"!) and Clint Walker.
Anyway, thanks a lot, all of you, for what you say about actors like Clint I am so happy to observe they are not forgotten! AS says on 7/Dec/07
You're very much welcome Patrick. It really is an amazing story!
Also, it is interesting that you would call him "superman". There was actually the idea kicking around of doing Superman in the '60's and he was the obvious pick. They shelved it though as not enough time had passed since the George Reeves era. Incidentally, I found an (modern) interview with DC comics where one of the cartoonists claims that the inspiration for the "square jaw" look of superman was based on Clint. So, not only is Clint "superman", but superman is based (in part) on Clint!
I don't think Viper was saying that Clint took steroids. He was saying Sid did and that may explain why he has that more "muscular" look. Jason says on 6/Dec/07
He does resemble Sid's frame in that photo. You can tell Sid is gym/steroid-made, though, where as I would agree with Patrick that Clint just seems naturally big. patrick says on 6/Dec/07
No way he ever took steroids! Aclose friend of him told me one year ago, he was the sanest person he ever met and, for all intents and purposes, not only it was not common at all in the50-60ies but he simply did not need to resort to "that"! In the AAAA (incidentally, thanks!)first pic, the horse look like an Indian poney though it seems to be kind of Palomino or so. I already said here that Clint always made his horses looking asses!
If some cannot make the difference between a natural born bulky man from a steroided one...too bad! i won't waste my time in trying to convince them in explaining that common sense and "good eyes" are enough in this case! Viper says on 6/Dec/07
Clint is proportioned similarly to the wrestler Sid Eudy. Clint isnt as big as him but he could have been lifting weights and taking steroids. AAAA says on 5/Dec/07
Clint didn't look tall in the sense of have disproportioned limbs or lankimess. IMO he doesn't look 6'6 here Click Here Click Here he could be any height b/c of how well he was built. A typical 6'6 guy will look "really" tall standing alone b/c their proportioned start to get skewed.
Clint just looked like a natural thlete....and when compared with the average man
Clint looked massive!!!! but not awkward
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It does ... usually extreme mesomorphs have big ass jaws and **** like you said lol. Primo actually had acromegaly ... that can cause the musculature to enlarge, as well as the bones. patrick says on 5/Dec/07
But Primo looked a "giant" too (heavy jitted jaw and disproportioned members); Clint was handsome, what is very rare for a man of such a stature and that's makes him kind oif unique, no? Jason says on 4/Dec/07
Yeah, naturally big guys have a different look to weightlifters & bodybuilders ... you can tell. Primo Carnera was another big guy from way back when who wouldn't have lifted weights at all ... I've seen a pic of him where he looked like Arnold S.! patrick says on 4/Dec/07
"The pole he was using was too short"…I love that AS and I insist on thanking you a lot for that so clear explanation of an event I did not know anything about!
I am too taken aback to answer anything about that; actually, almost shocked.
This man is Superman, as I said so many times!
It is awful, I mean, what happened to him!
I wonder not having never read anything related to that terrible accident and that “pseudo lethal state”, which just goes to show how “we” can pass by things just like “this”!
So, he’s a real survivor if ever!
What a Man!
Thanks again fellow; very grateful to you, sincerely.
Jason, thanks also, because it seems people do not really know what a big, muscled man is really made of.
This man has very abnormal (in the good sense) proportions: look at his shoulders, how his neck and his head are proportioned.
Remember the actor playing the Ingall’s neighbour, Merlin Olsen; without being as “big” as Clint, he was not far from it anyway, even the same perhaps!
He was another type of natural born very big and strong man; that is clearly visible!
Look at the Clint’s muscles: not outlined as a bodybuilder’s ones or even a “weight pusher”.
They have a smooth aspect, very natural and there is nothing to do here with our today’s sculpted so called stars!
I met many men working out and they never looked like Clint; never!
Clint could be compared to a Chuck Heston for example but even much bigger!
Charlton worked out too with weights seriously but that’s not enough to make muscles grow as pretend some about Clint!
One can say that Clint did what his fantastic constitution allowed him to do and was enough to “maintain” him in good shape.
For those who met real lumberjacks, they can remember how fabulous they can be and how frail we can look next to him, even though practicing weight lifting!
See you guys! Jason says on 4/Dec/07
Patrick is exactly right. I think Clint lifted weights, but it wouldn't suprise me if he didn't for much of his career or something. Some guys are just naturally big and put together. AS says on 3/Dec/07
Okay, in essence Clint was skiing back in '73. The pole he was using was too short. He fell, and the handle went down first. This stuck into the snow. Clint fell on the tip of the ski pole and the point went into his heart. He got back up and walked down the mountain (Supposedly he left it in place to keep the wound less open). Upon arriving at the base he was rushed to the hospital. It was there that he was pronounced dead. They moved him to another room to clear his paper work before finally taking him to the morgue. A doctor noticed something about him and began taking a closer look. At this point he told the doctor something to the effect of "not now".
This case is actually a noteworthy one often cited by people who discuss "crossing over". Since this event Clint has become more spiritual, as far as I gather. patrick says on 3/Dec/07
Ed.Rob...I was joking!
I know who you are and you deserve thanks, gratitude and respect from all of us.
that aside, I wish someone would be able to tell me when and how Clint was wounded.
In advance, "thanks"! patrick says on 30/Nov/07
Ed.Rob, I don't find my messages anywhere. Am I bannished from Celebrity heights ?
[Editor Rob: of course not, there is 1 message on here from yesterday and on comments page I see you had comments on routh/schneider aswell.] patrick says on 29/Nov/07
AS, Thanks for passing that on but I can't open it (don't now why); Could possibly you "sum it up" in writing: what injury (where), when he got it or them etc.
To think that I met him in 2006! Much more "Indian" now, pysically, than younger! A great and still tall man for sure! AS says on 16/Nov/07
Patrick- if you're wondering about Clint's injury, just here it from himself:
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Clint did a radio interview this summer. Around 12 min he discusses the accident. patrick says on 12/Nov/07
Thanks for understanding and appreciating my words guys!
I'd add that I now and then, meet in the USA, men, not especially young but with Popeye forearms, huge necks, large face, seeming being more related to bears than to humans. They often are fair hair, Nordic type and…very nice!
The same with “British type” men or also Indians (Native) type. Clint who was partly Native, is a good example but even Tom Welling can be categorized in it.
What I mean is I rarely meet that kind of people in Europe. This men are the produce of very good genetic mixtures which is the “appanage” of North America.
I insist of “good” mixture because as I already wrote it, some of them do not bring about the same result.
John Goodman, is a perfect endomorphic type: very muscled but fat too even though “that is not embarrassing” because “he’s like that”!
I saw a very rare home made short movie showing Oliver Hardy just after he went through a terrible illness (which finally took him away); he had lost tens of pounds and was old and unrecognizable BUT, I can assure you that his arms were still huge and very impressive!
It sounds he could not loose more and his articulates appeared as they really were: enormous with large tendons and muscles grafted on!
Even so feeble (he died a few days after) he looked much stronger and bulkier than Stan Laurel!
The only thing Clint does not have is, I repeat, “big hands”. Da Man says on 9/Nov/07
Excellent post, Patrick. Brah says on 9/Nov/07
John Goodman is an example of a naturally strong guy. Huge everywhere. patrick says on 9/Nov/07
Film Fan: "You don't develop proportions like that without lifting": sorry, you're wrong in being so "positive". In most cases, I agree with you and you just have to read what I am always writing about that very point to be convinced. Most of current actors are so visibly "iron pumped" (so much they melt after their film as butter under sun!). Some people are naturally very strong and so are all of the "strongest men in world". Those are mesomorphic type, more or less mixed with ecto or endomorphic type.
Very bulky ones are real and rare, mesomorphic. I happen to come across some, and it is visible those guys are "simple" men, working in a daily routine, not more.
They all have big bones, big necks, broad shoulders and big hands and wide wrists. Such men could become monsters but they are normal guys, "the strongers of their classroom" when children.
I met big bodybuilders, I mean, "champs" and they recognized some of them were so: Paradoxically, they rarely become the firsts in a contest precisely because they do not have to force, to over training to get a mass of efficient muscle they already have.
Lou Ferrigno and even Arnold were not especially muscled when children, on the contrary. Charles Bronson always was for example.
A natural muscled guy will be less attracted in getting what he has just in simply feeding!
That Clint was less bulky in the 50ies (his 20ies) than after, ok but that does not mean he was not very muscled.
He never denied he worked out with weights but there is a big difference with what did real pumped iron men.
Some guys are grizzlylike built but they often are a bit fat “in the middle” without being “fat”.
I met some lumberjacks who never used any kind of weights and who could have broken out professional wrestlers! When asked about their condition: “I always have been so and…you should see my brother!” They always have a brother or so, even larger and stronger!
Clint was very broad shouldered and that, independently of his training.
As proof, I just would say this: just try to become like him and you will see; I would add that even if being shorter, many actors sweat bullets under iron now and NO ONE become if only the third of Clint was, I repeat, “all size being equal”.
In the dirty dozen, only Charles Bronson, for me, is impressive next to him albeit being 8.5 inch shorter! Jim Brown is a real iron pumped guy even if he probably was a solid young man anyway!
That aside, I agree with you 100% about Clint’s acting ability. That kind of man after all, is special and impressive enough as a “man”, not to need to be able to embody any kind of part.
Even John Wayne, a very fine actor in addition of being a icon larger than his profession, did not play Hamlet but above all, because “he” did not want to!
Who cares? Fancy R. de Niro or D. Hoffman wearing “his” boots…ridiculous!
Gene Hackman was one of the rare actors able with Tommy Lee Jones to credibly act very tough guys or priests, intellectuals etc.
Nowadays, guys like Colin Farrell pretend to act both tough, wild, evil, killers and something else. As Tom Cruise does and some others…poor guys…
To finish, please, let me know more about the Clint’s injury: when, where etc.
In advance, thanks! FilmFan says on 6/Nov/07
Clint definitely pumped iron. You don't develop proportions like that without lifting. I just saw a tribute to him from YouTube which shows some pics of him from his days as a merchant marine and a sheriff, he was considerably thinner then. In fact, with his genetics, he could have gotten far more massive had he readlly gone all-out as a bodybuilder.
I see some comments that seem to say he wasn't that great an actor. I totally disagree. I thought he came across very well. Particularly impressive since as I understand it, he had -0- training prior to his Cheyenne role.
I imagine his skiing accident hurt his career as much as anything. I got the impression that he never really fully recovered from it. In subsequent roles he just doesn't look the same. From what I understand, he suffered a series of health maladies after that. I read where he appeared on some televangelist's show to seek a "cure". Sad both that he was hurting physically and I'm assuming did the appearance for money - if anyone knows otherwise please correct me. I noticed his one eye looked "funny" when he made his appearance in the Kenny Rogers "Gambler" movie, apparently he developed a tumor that robbed him of sight in that eye. Kind of a shock to see the state he was in at that point - overweight, disheveled - hair too long and unkempt. Looked like they'd thrown a coat and hat on him and stuck him in front of the camera. He didn't look great in some dog food commercials he made some years before that. He looked off, his speech sounded slurred, I assumed due to pain meds. Anonymous says on 5/Nov/07
I think that Clint was about 6'6.50. As far as weight, he was given the 235 back in the 50's, he was so much heavier in the late 60's. He was kind of basketball player lean in the 50's so I think the 235 was probably right. But by the late 60's, in the Dirty Dozen and Sam Whiskey, he was football player bulky. If he was 235 in the 50's then he must have been 255+ by the end of the 60's. If you compare still shots from 55' and say 69' must be 20 plus lbs more. Anonymous says on 2/Nov/07
He was the same height as Bo Svenson, 6'6+ patrick says on 11/Oct/07
Just one other thing: Clint does not have "big hands" like John Wayne's or Dean Martin's!
He has relatively, all things being equal, "thin hands" even thogh thin is definitely NOT the right term anyway! patrick says on 27/Sep/07
I am watching "Yuma", a good 1971 TV film and frankly, it is funny to see Clint on his horse because...though it is a quarter horse, thus a big one, he really seems be sitten on a ...mule!
As for his confrontation with Peter Mark Richman as the county sheriff, that one looks a child. I know well that actor for having been so used in the most popular 60ies TV shows. I never noticed he was particularly small or "narrow shouldered"! They nevertheless, tried to not make Clint dwarfing other members of the acting crew and managed to make him appear "normal" in most of the shots. But now and then, they failed and the difference becomes obvious to the detriment of his co-stars! Patrick says on 17/Sep/07
Very nice words Paul: I 100% agree with you about how we all need people like him...in Hollywood and out there!
Some people are higher than simple human beings; they can be actors, plumbers, carpenters or politicians as were Lincoln, Roosevelt, Churchill AND, Ghandi. Whatever they are we recognize them as models, examples. That is why I wish he had embodied Superman which sums up all the Clint's values.
Tall and great and high Clint! John says on 16/Sep/07
Somebody mentioned Clint as having ladies lined up all the time, the rumors were that he was quite popular with women and had his pick in and out of Hollywood. It's plain to see why. I'm sure he had fun back in the day. PAUL says on 14/Sep/07
I met Clint in Costco a couple of weeks ago. What a class guy! Definately down to earth. He talked to me and my father for probably 15 minutes and would have probably talked longer. Just a great human being. Doesn`t think you have to use profanity and vulgarity to make a good movie. Wish there were more people in hollywood like him. David says on 3/Sep/07
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It's hard to believe that during Cheyenne Clint could ever be referred to as a "mixed up kid." He comes across in all his interviews as simply a terrific guy. Those of us who have been fortunate to converse with him can tell you that his stardom never reached his head. If he was angry at Warner Bros., he had every right to be due to the poor way he was treated by them. AS says on 21/Aug/07
Some of it appears to be morals- he only wanted family friendly movies. Chevy Chase has taken a similar road.
In addition though Clint walked off on his contract as he wanted more movies and less TV. Understandable but in those days the bigwigs ruled hollywood. You were either a team player or not. MT says on 19/Aug/07
Could you maybe think that the man had morals and he stuck to them no matter how famous he became. So the principals and morals he lived by probably made him labeled as hard to work with.
A lot of other men with Clints looks now days would have been naked on the net before they got where he was.
I probably do only know of him because I was allowed to watch what he did as I grew up. I never knew he was s tall until recently but I always remembered how habsome he was or is. AS says on 18/Aug/07
Height..,
Well, Clint was rather big in addition to tall. He was far more massive than Rock. So he has more tendancy to tower over stars.
A more obvious reason for his limited career is due to his difficulty to work with. I hear he's a nice guy, but a bear to direct. He refuses to do any work that isn't family friendly- he even forced a script change on Dirty Dozen due to offensive language. Read this article:
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Most of the celebrities have a positive description. His reads:
"But unfortunately, Clint, according to the people he works with, is "a mighty mixed-up kid." He is a nature-food crank, demands The Star Treatment at all times"
He probably got blacklisted. Still, his health "crank" may explain why he's still up and running. HeightObsessed says on 17/Aug/07
The problem with the argument that Clint was too tall is that one of his most successful contemporaries was also very tall... Rock Hudson was 6'5" and his height didn't inhibit his success. It must be something more insidious... say talent. These days I think he'd be more successful, when you consider that talent isn't such a big deal, case in point: Arnold Schwarchenegger and the "Rock" Viper says on 15/Aug/07
This guy would have been a beast as a tight end in football. Norma says on 14/Aug/07
Clint Walker was the original poster boy (MAN) for Hunks. Not only was he georgeous to look at, his voice was music to listen to. The wimps and weirdows of so called stardom today are a joke compared to him. The reason he never made it big is because he had great character, high morals, and as I understand he also loves his Creator and His Word. I'm a spirit filled Christian, and I can makes these comments without shame, because I respect Clint as a true man. Anonymous says on 2/Aug/07
C;int was too big to make it as huge star if that makes sense. It was very difficult to cast him. Also he was a really nice guy and most Hollywood stars to be honest are pretty self centred. Bob H. says on 29/Jul/07
Walker was also quite graceful for a very big man. In Yellowstone Kelly he has a scene where he rides up to the camera and dismounts his horse and pivits around backwards and drops to one knee on the ground to fire his rifle. It is very graceful. Not many big actors could look so athletic. David says on 20/Jul/07
I could never understand why Clint did not become a superstar in the movies. aside from a magnificent body and a face like a greek god, he had a voice that was so smooth that it would melt butter. He was a "man" while today's actors are simply boys. Patrick says on 1/Jul/07
How I appreciate what you say about that magic actor and great man Clint was (and still is) but as I wrote it right here, I do not think that he would be more successful nowadays. He already was too tall at his time while tall and very tall actors were starring like John Wayne, G.Peck, J. Stewart or Cuck Heston and so many others. It was before the Hoffman, Pacino and De Niro's 7°ies era. Vince Vaughn knows ths most exterme difficulties in acting because of that; only his immense talent allows him to star but mainly in comedies, which is very different as you know. Canons and criterions have changed in in a way, "Europeanising". Too bad indeed.
Another very well built and tall actor (6'6)was Fred Dryer (Rick Hunter) but not like "him", indeed no! SK says on 29/Jun/07
Clint Walker has to be the most perfectly built actor, no human in all of history. Talk about having perfect genetics!!!! The guy's physique and proportions were perfection, not to mention his looks were amazing. Damn the guy most have had the women lining up in droves to be with him. Why on earth was he not a bigger star in his day?? If he were acting in his prime today, I think the ladies would soon forget about Brad Pitt. AS says on 28/Jun/07
Wasn't Clint a lifter? I'm not sure how much he did but this link includes two photos from a workout:
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I agree he did have that superman look, almost on every point. He's probably one of the biggest guys who, while standing by himself, isn't an obvious giant.
I recall reading in an interview that while shooting the Dirty Dozen he would go on jogs with Jim Brown. Impressive considering Jim was a running back and ten years younger. patrick says on 27/Jun/07
Dear 5'11.5 guy, happy you join me about Clint; I just would add a little thing about Tang: I work in health services andI can assure you that Tang definitely has the gigantism facial characteritics even though much less than Kiel. There is another famous basketball player Billy Cristal hired to play with in a funny movie: this guy was also a athlete and had the same characteristics.
You will see that later, Tang will get many health problems; Of that, I am 100% sure.
You know, it is not that rare in America to have big and very tall men; it is genetic as it is in Norway, Swede (Dutch are different because when Americans were already much taller than the others, in the 19th century, Dutch used to be very small!) In a certain way, Clint is nothing but "the American ideal" while Chinese are by and large rather small or at least average, as Algerians are even if the today's tallest man on earth is an Algerian! 5'11.5 guy says on 26/Jun/07
Tang can;t be compared to Richard Kiel, he never had acromegaly. He's atheltic and fast enough to play basketball well. And he is definitely well built. A froce to be reckoned with on the court.
I agree that he's a giant whereas Clint isn't though. Clint would have been healthier, and was much better looking. patrick says on 26/Jun/07
Dear 5'11.5 guy, ther is a BIG difference with Clint because that Chinese basketball player actually is a giant, I mean in the medical way of saying it.
Clint was not, even less than James Arness who definitely has "something" in his face of a giant.
Tang is not well built, he has the proportions of a someone being “too tall” and does not give the impression to be a superman.
So is Richard Kiel and if you carefully look at both of them, you will see they have that so peculiar shape: high broad shoulders as Cassidy, another giant actor, had too.
Clint is just a normal, very well built man but much taller than the others.
He is not much of a giant. Otherwise, there are tons of guys taller and heavier than him!
What makes Clint so unique is he was not a “steroïdic athlete” and not even a bodybuilder!
I never got his match in any category because even Peter Lupus , so impressive and Supermanlike was a power lifter.
Even though Clint would have only raise his pen to write sissy novels, he would have been twice stronger than most of men!
Another big natural and very tall actor was Sterling Hayden but he was just below in height and width Clint Walker.
I met in November, a friend of him near the place Clint lives and he confirmed all what I have told you about him: a natural superman! 5'11.5 guy says on 25/Jun/07
Walker's build reminds me of Chinese basketball center Tang Zhengdong, who also has massive shoulders and very narrow waist/hips. Tang is 7 inches taller and way heavier than Walker was, though.
His pic. Click Here patrick says on 19/Jun/07
Jason, I agree with you but the man was a "mass", with bear bones and sinews and articulates (articulates are very meaningful about real strength and capacity of naturally getting muscles).
Indeed, the comparison, easily visible just in looking at him, between his incredible thin waist and the rest of his trunk enhanced that spectacular effect, however, I can assure you this guy was anyway HUGE! I repeat: He was the only one REAL superman, if only they would have had the good idea of making such a film in the 60ty decade!
AAAA: sure I remember it! I know very well Grecian as Romanian and Renaissance sculpture art and, actually, Clint would have been Heracles or Hercules (depending you prefer Greek or Roman mythology!)!
Viper, once more, I agree with you about his genes: do not forget what we wrote about Tom roots: Cherokee type. So, Clint happens to partially come from that tribe: ¼ exactly!
He besides felt embarrassed in embodying a rude guy in “the dirty dozen”, just in the name of the Natives he felt being deep down; as result he asked Robert Aldrich to change a bit his part.
That was done, making Posey much more human and clever than initially planned.
Very happy to notice sucha man and actor is not forgotten today!
After all, you all are much younger than I am! AAAA says on 18/Jun/07
Just look at the guy. He was an andonis and a mountain, and he had that perfect all american glint in his eye, the million dollar smile, and he never looked awkward at a towering 6'6. Viper says on 18/Jun/07
Seems like Clint had some incredible genetics. AAAA says on 16/Jun/07
Hey patrick, do you remember the Dorophyus statue we discussed the proportions of a few months back, and how it emboided the ideal human proportions. I was reading something about clint needing special tailoring for movie clothing and costumes. It was some site online that stated his measurements, and aside from his 32 inch waist, he was almost dead on the build of the ideal Grecian male as set foward by Doroyphus. He was actually .25 inches taller than the statue. But aside from that and the waist, everything else was perfectly in proportion. Jason says on 15/Jun/07
He was stated as being 235lbs in 1959 at age 32. He had a ricidilously tiny waist and hips for a 6'6'' 235-pound man (32'' and 36'' respectively), so that means way more of his size was in his upper body than a normal fit man of that height and weight, and would have made him appear heavier than he actually was by looking at it. patrick says on 14/Jun/07
No doubt he was closer to 250 lbs than to 235; 235 at 25 maybe but mcuh more after!This man was the biggest star ever; For me, he is a star.
Yes, even Jim Brown, yet so big and tall, looks "normal" beside him! Donald Sutherland is far smaller than him, not mention "shoulders" width!
It seems amazing, incredible that an actor could ever be "like that"; Usually, men of that ilk are either not really handsome nor looking you know, "very clever", with that "special" glint in the eye. An almost 200 cm guy as braod as tall is usually more physical than anything else.
Clint was as handsome as any other great star and even more BUT in addition, he was "superman"! That didn't help him alas, in his career, on the contrary! Jason says on 28/May/07
Clint weighed 235 according to the publicity of the time. Maybe he was heavier when he was older. 6'6'' seems right. Anonymous says on 27/May/07
Clint had to be 6'6+ and about 250+ he stood next to 6'3 230 Jim Brown in the dirty dozen and made him look like he was standing in a hole. patrick says on 1/Feb/07
Yeah, he was SUPERMAN as i said here! Look: even his head and his hair!
all the other tall and strong actors look like bodybuilders or noticeably thinner than him.
I think like Charles Bronson or Robert Conrad (but they were much much shorter) Clint was one of these guys who do not need any working out to be very strong and broad from any side: arm; chest, hands , neck and legs!
Charles Bronson was even at 15, also a "pack of dry muscles" with fantastic arms;
Besides, they both play in "the dirty dozen" and though the huge difference of size, never Charles seems ridiculous next to Clint;
In a way much less than (the great and late) Lee Marvin, a narrow boy in front of the giant oak Clint.
6'2 Jim Brown looked like a bodybuilder, i mean, not natural bulky guy.
Clint, never even though he worked out also!
I was in last november next to him and he now looks really like an Idian; with getting on in age, people whow have indian blood as Clint, turn more and more towards "this" origin; It seems that people having indian blood are often in very good shape and strong; so is Tom Welling for example. Daniel says on 31/Jan/07
That is an amazing photograph of Clint and Burt Reynolds. It is from the movie Sam Whiskey when Burt challenges Clint to a fight, which is really hysterical. Can you imagine that? Clint makes Burt look scrawny, which he wasn't. The picture is not exaggerated either. Clint is that much taller than Burt. Clint has to have one of the best physiques ever. patrick says on 26/Jan/07
ALAS Dee, i did not find Clint next to Burt Reynolds but a site i know with many actors!
agree with you at 100% about Clint Walker! He was "superman" for real! Anonymous2 says on 22/Dec/06
Walker was an incredible physical presence and i agree with previous Anonymous that his looks probably kept him from expandig beyond westerns and war movies. He actually could bring quite a bit of delicacy to a portrayal, and it's kind of a shame that the very thing that got him his breakthrough part kept him so typecast. Brad says on 5/Nov/06
Same height as me but made me look small because he is wide around his shoulders. He's one big hombre with a handshake that could crush. Anonymous says on 30/Sep/06
I think Walker's size held back his career though. Although it was what got him started it must have made it difficult to cast him. Even Rock Hudson looked small compared to Walker and Hudson was massive. I don't know if there was too much different in height between the two but Walker was much bigger built. JIM DOWN says on 20/Sep/06
CLINT WALKER IS EITHER 6'5 AND 1/2 OR 6' 6". DON MEGOWAN SEEMS TO BE ABOUT 1/2" TO 1" TALLER THAN CLINT. DON APPEARS TO BE THE EXACT SAME HEIGHT AS JAMES ARNESS IN A GUMSMOKE EPISODE WHEN STANDING AT A BAR. JAMES ARNESS HAS BEEN LISTED AS 6'6 AND A 1/2 TO 6'7". HOWEVER IN ONE CHEYENNE EPISODE DON AND CLINT APPEAR TO BE THE EXACT SAME HIGHT AGAIN STANDING AT A BAR. I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE HEGHT OF THE SHOE HEEL. JD Felcher says on 16/Sep/06
According to an article on TV westerns in Time Magazine (March 30, 1959), Clint stood 6' 6" tall, weighed 235 lbs, and had chest-waist-hips measurements of 48-32-36. Alex says on 16/Sep/06
6'6" as he himself has always said. In response to Mikex, Clint DID use weights (Steroid free though!) and bodyweight exercises too. There are quite a few photos of him in old magazines (and on the internet) lifting Barbells and working out. One of my favorites is of him doing chin ups from the rafters with a large plate attached to his belt/harness. Mikex says on 24/May/06
He did a film with 6'4'' Vincent Price and was about 2 inches taller. Walker was an incredibly impressive looking guy though. Not a guy you'd barge past to get served at the bar. Gonzalo says on 17/May/06
He was much taller than 6`4 Donald sutherland in Dirty dozen. Maybe he was taller than 6`6. Daniel says on 11/Apr/06
Both Clint and Rock were big, strong guys. Clint always played a tough guy. Rock had much more diverse roles, but he could play a tough guy as well. Don't sell him short. Both guys were strong enough to literally hoist guys up in the air. I remember Rock hoisting Robert Stack (not a small guy either-over 6'0 tall) over his shoulder and carrying him up a flight of stairs. Written On The Wind was the movie. I think Clint could have lifted Rock over his shoulders, , but I doubt Rock could have done that to Clint. I think Clint was about an inch taller than Rock, though probably a lot stronger. Charlie says on 10/Apr/06
Agreed, Clint was one well built guy. Rock wasn't as muscular, but certainly was very well built. That was the reason Clint and Rock were shirtless in most of their films. Both showing off their physiques. Honestly, I don't think many guys would pick a fight with either one. They were both huge. Both Clint and Rock looked awesome in their movie fight scenes. Anonymous says on 10/Apr/06
Hudson was himself a well built guy by the standards of the day but he looks skinny next to Walker. Not a guy you'd pick a fight with, unless you happen to be Lee Marvin in the Dirty Dozen. Mikex says on 22/Feb/06
In an interview on the net he says James Arness was abount an inch taller. A Fan says on 12/Feb/06
I think Clint is about 6'7" inches tall. I don't think he was much taller than Rock Hudson. Just a lot broader and more muscular. Gramps says on 9/Nov/05
Not just that, but the guy's shoulders were about ten feet wide! sage says on 8/Nov/05
I believe Clint is actually about 6'7". WildBill says on 24/Oct/05
Walker appeared about an inch taller than Hudson. I think Walker is a confirmed 6'6". |