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Progking said on 6/Jan/20
@Mark o Connor 186-187.5 cm range is likely
AndrewV said on 6/Jan/20

Please show me a source that provides measured data of young Swedish men. The Balkans and the Netherlands are renowned for having the tallest men on earth and they're no taller than 6'0"-6'0.5" for young white men.
Progking said on 6/Jan/20
@Sakz yeah and i dont think the young adult average is as high as 5'10, maybe a bit under like 5'9.5. If your close enough to 6'1 you are definetely tall but 6'0 can count too
Sakz said on 6/Jan/20
@Dan84 If I looked at that I'd think it was based off the younger generation average which is slightly higher. If you go by the overall average of 5'9 which includes all ages, 5'10 is above average and a 6 footer is tall. 5'6 is short though which I agree with. However that is perception based as you said which can alter it.
Lell said on 6/Jan/20

Yeah you must have taken after your mother's side a bit more. My maternal grandparents were 5'5" and 5'4", but I heard that my grandpa was malnourished as a child during Soviet WW2 and ate grass to survive. Their children got good nutrition and my mother grew to 5'6" and my uncle 6'0" (as my mom says, he could've been 5'10" dunno).

My father is 5'8.5" and I heard that my paternal grandma was short, so I guess 5'2" range. His brother is short and so are his children ranging around 5'6/5'7". I have heard stories from relatives that my other uncles were 6'1". Not sure if it is true as it may have been an exaggaration, but they must have definitely been atleast 180cm/5'11" tall.

Growth is undpredictable. I thought at 17 I was done at 176 cm but have added 3 cm since then. So you may hit 5'8" who knows.
Nik Ashton said on 6/Jan/20
@ Dan84 - There is a lot right about what you say but for me average ends below 180 cm and tall starts below 185 cm! Otherwise spot on!
mrfunnyguy said on 6/Jan/20
@AndrewV I didn't say that the average was 6'2 in Sweden, I just said that it's barely over average. It's probably a strong 6'1.
Dakar said on 5/Jan/20
Rob, if I send you a picture of me, can you know my height? the last time I measured myself accurately was at 16 and I was 181 cm
Equal said on 5/Jan/20

I turned 19 in August, so not too long ago I would say. It’s worry considering that in terms of height, my father is in the 5’11-6’ range and my mom is (I think) 5’4. So it kind of baffles me how I still ended up being pretty average, but it’s probably because my mom’s side of the family isn’t very tall (my grandpa on her side is 5’6). How tall are your parents?
Poster said on 5/Jan/20
@Ross Galbraith: What part of the USA were you in? Different parts have different heights. You find shorter people in the urban northeast and southwest. You find taller people in the upper midwest.
Nik Ashton said on 5/Jan/20
@ Khaled taban - All the best, take care.

Nik Ashton said on 5/Jan/20
@ Ross Galbraith - Americans are taller than people in the UK!
Nik Ashton said on 5/Jan/20
5’8” feels at least average a lot of the time in the UK although on others it feels under average and well shorter than a reasonable minority of men are!
Dan84 said on 5/Jan/20
So at my height of 184cm in the evening and 6 foot 1 out of bed, here is how I perceive the height of British men:

Men- 5 foot 6- short
168cm to 173cm- Shortish
173 foot 8 to 180cm - average
180cm to 185cm- tallish
185 cm - 190cm- tall
190cm- 195cm- very tall.
195cm- extremely tall and pretty rare.

Any woman around 5 foot 7 imo is tallish and if they're above my eyeline so 172 cm or so then they're tall.

Anybody agree or disagree?
Sakz said on 5/Jan/20
@Bobby I think 6'3 typically starts to become 'very tall', but some may view 6'2 in that category aswell considering it's 5 inches above average.
Cristi said on 5/Jan/20
Hey @Rob, I'm back with anothe question. How tall are those folks in comparation to Obama&Trump.

Click Here

Romania president is listed at 192cm, but that's too high in my opinion.
Editor Rob
Can seem very close to 6ft 3 I think with obama and trump
Greg said on 5/Jan/20
@progpking Click Here here’s another photo as you can see the guy 2nd from the right is noticeably shorter than the guy in the green hoodie who’s probably like 5’11 3/8ths-5’11.5 himself so he can’t be that range. The shortest guy in the photo is like between 5’2-5’3.
Greg said on 5/Jan/20
@Progking he’s not even close to that, in boots he would probably reach his 5’11 claim 😂 hell that would make me a solid 6’0(I wish) but no he’s max like 5’9 3/8ths barefeet, he might reach 5’9.5 in the afternoons but that would be his low, ill try to get another photo for you guys to show what I mean. The guy on the far right isn’t standing well he’s definitely over 5’7, we measured him he got a little bit over 5’8.
Greg said on 5/Jan/20
@Ross Galbraith Americans aren’t getting smaller they have always been around 5’9 on average as long as I could remember even at 5’10 you would be taller than most, 5’11 is a solid above average the only place you would feel average is in some parts of Europe like Amsterdam or something, thinking your post in itself is enough proof for people here who think Americans average at 5’10.
QM6'1QM said on 5/Jan/20
Lell said on 5/Jan/20

6'2 is a tall height everywhere all over the world!!!
AndrewV said on 5/Jan/20
@Ross Galbraith
Many Western European countries are have a 5'11" or 5'10.5" average, but the UK is actually very similar in height to the US: a 5'9" national average and a 5'10" average for white guys under 40.
Myself said on 5/Jan/20
"mrfunnyguy said on 4/Jan/20
@cristi- I'm from Sweden, and I would say you would probably be barely over average here, probably like one or two centimeters. In some cases, if you would be among a lot of ethnical swedish young guys, you would sometimes even end up a bit below average."
Stop being so funny)
AndrewV said on 5/Jan/20
In America you will be in the very tall range, around 95th percentile. Even around the tallest demographic, young white guys, you'd still be above the 90th percentile, you will be universally considered a tall guy in the states. More anecdotally, you'll be the tallest in guy in most social contexts, even on a majority white college campus.

Source: Click Here
AndrewV said on 5/Jan/20
The average for Swedes isn't 6'2, no country or region on earth is nearly that tall. A solid 5'11" for young lads seems likely based on multiple studies, but 6'2" is impossible.
Lell said on 5/Jan/20

I live in Sweden and at 188 cm you'd still be tall but not tower over as many people and not tall to the point that it is anything remarkable really. So you're fine.
Lell said on 5/Jan/20

When did you turn 19 bro? I turned on Dec 19 and I grew the same way from 1/2 to measure around 5'10 5/8"/179,5 cm. Hopefully you reach 5'8" and I reach 5'11".
Ross Galbraith said on 5/Jan/20
Rob, first time visiting yer site. I’m a Scot living in Canada. I’m a strong 5’11”, when visiting the US i’m definitely taller than the majority of me. Surprisingly, in the UK and Western Europe i’m about average. Can this be attributed to health care differences? Are Americans getting smaller?
Editor Rob
Well it's interesting. At 5ft 8 I don't feel that short in the UK, but definitely if I observe height I can tell 5ft 8 is less than average for sure, but 5ft 11 I'd never have thought was average in UK.
Ross Galbraith said on 5/Jan/20
Rob, first time visiting yer site. I’m a Scot living in Canada. I’m a strong 5’11”, when visiting the US i’m definitely taller than the majority of me. Surprisingly, in the UK and Western Europe i’m about average. Can this be attributed to health care differences? Are Americans getting smaller?
chevy said on 5/Jan/20
@rob would it be unusual for average height parents to have kids that are over seven feet tall?
Editor Rob
it will be rarer and usually it is some randomness and combination of taller aspects of genes which can result in these very tall kids - of course, in some cases it can be excess Pituitary growth.
Mark O' Connor said on 4/Jan/20
If 5 feet 7 comes to the tip of the nose of another person, what is the person height range?
Big Ben said on 4/Jan/20
@Rob - I still think that standing at his tallest he could measure 194.5-195. I think he'd edge out Zlatan Ibrahimovic by a fraction. Here's another one: Click Here

That feller next to me is 168.5cm under a stadiometer (atleast that's what the stadiometer at. How tall can I look in that picture? I must add that I insist that 194/195 guy is the perfect fit for Dracula. He's got Christopher Lee's nose, he's got black hair, very tall and he's got a deep voice!
Editor Rob
You can appear 2cm taller than your normal height, I think maybe your friend is a little further away which might have made him look more 166 than 168 range.
Bobby 1.78m (5ft 10in) said on 4/Jan/20

If you claimed 6'2, it wouldn't technically be lying as you measure it in the morning, but I would claim 6'1 with those stats. Now, if you measured 6'2.5 in the morning and 6'1.75 at a low, I would claim 6'2 then, or even if you were 6'1.5 at minimum at a low. A height of 186cm is 6'1.25. In metric, I would claim 186cm, since you say you are 186cm for the majority of the day.
QM6'1QM said on 4/Jan/20
InsecureTeen said on 3/Jan/20

That's literally my height, but i was never less than 6'1 (185.4 cm).
Please, keeping yourself honest guy - claim 6'1 to people, please :)
It's finest quality of men.
QM6'1QM said on 4/Jan/20
Cristi said on 3/Jan/20

You're tall man, somewhere around the world!
Progking said on 4/Jan/20
@InsecureTeen, just claim 6'1, or a little over 6'1. If you were 6'1.5-1.75 for the majority of the day claiming 6'2 is fine
Progking said on 4/Jan/20
@Cristi at almost 6'2 you will feel solid tall in America, in Netherlands maybe just above average
Progking said on 4/Jan/20
@Greg guy in back looks 5'11.25-5'11.5. No more than that. Claiming almost 6'0 isnt a bad claim. Guy with blue shirt looks a little under 5'6 probably if he stood straight. Guy on far right looks around 5'7 as well if he was standing a bit closer to you.
mrfunnyguy said on 4/Jan/20
@cristi- I'm from Sweden, and I would say you would probably be barely over average here, probably like one or two centimeters. In some cases, if you would be among a lot of ethnical swedish young guys, you would sometimes even end up a bit below average.
Greg said on 4/Jan/20
@Rob Spot on guess with the guy in the blue shirt he’s never looked more than a solid 5’6 for me as for the guy on the far right do you think he’s around 5’8 and change? The guy behind me is actually not even 5’11 range let alone 5’10, the only way he would be 5’11 range was if I was a legit 6’0 which I’m not 😝. I’m probably about 5’11.5 there in footwear. I haven’t measured him but I think he would be in the 5’9 range this is as close to a measurement as he’s done to try to convince us he’s 5’10.5-5’11, notice how the tape is bent?Also not sure if he had footwear or not but I think he looks at best 5’9 range not counting his hair and how the tapes bent. his 5’11 claim is not believable Click Here
Editor Rob
Far right guy could be at least my height.
It's useful for guys who are not sure on their height to be measured by somebody who at least knows how to measure like yourself!

I don't think the guy's tape is bent too much, but it is trickier to tell exactly how high he is. Tell him he needs a proper measurement, somebody who at least knows how to measure like yourself 😎 Although, sometimes people don't want the truth...they have a figure, and any measurement might upset their own belief.
Cristi said on 4/Jan/20
Hey @Rob, can you estimate how tall I look beside my friends?

In this picture my friend is 168 (measured) and we have the same footwear advantage.
Click Here

Thanks, hope you approve my comment.

In this picture, my friend is 182cm measured and we have exactly the same footwear advantage.

Click Here
Editor Rob
You can appear near 190cm range with those guys.
Bobby 1.78m (5ft 10in) said on 4/Jan/20

Nah. A 6'2 guy would be considered very tall even in America and Sweden, but in the Netherlands, you might encounter guys your height more often. Although I'd say even for the Netherlands, you'd be considered above average height, as their average is generally accepted to be a solid to strong 5'11 range, with the youth possibly measuring closer to 6'0.
Myself said on 4/Jan/20
Yeah, that's a very big shoe size for someone of that height... sometimes when I look in the mirror and see myself in shoes I still am kinda impressed by how big they look (wearing 14 now usually), but on a shorter person they would be very noticeable.
Interestingly enough my hands are about 90-95 percentile in terms of length, but they are pretty much of the same size as my mother's (mine maybe slightly wider). It's still something I can't wrap my head around...her hands for a woman are huge, yet mine aren't really THAT big for a man. Genetics are weird sometimes, hehe
Canson said on 4/Jan/20
@Greg: most people, but not all, who refuse to be measured or measured properly especially when someone challenges their height typically know that they’re not being truthful. I heard 1 or two people say something along the lines of “not right now” or “I don’t have time” or “why does it matter” or why do we need to do this. Of course the ones who bring up the argument in the first place or who insinuate that they’re taller than they are or that you’re taller than you are
Equal said on 3/Jan/20
Earlier in December, I measured at 5’7 1/2 (I’m 19, mind you). Now, I measure 5’7 5/8 (I check consistently to ensure that I’m not over measuring since I walk and stand around a lot during the weekends). This wasn’t always the case earlier in 2019, where I was only 5’7 1/4. I know these differences in height are very minor, but I hope that this pattern of growth continues in the next couple of months to where I’m a strong 5’8.
Greg said on 3/Jan/20
Rob in this photo how tall do I look amongst my friends bearing in mind their claims? Also how tall would you say they actually look to you? The guy on the far right claims 5’8/5’9. Guy with blue shirt claims 5’7- 5’7.5 guy in the back claims 5’11 and has claimed almost 6’0..🤕 My friends think that he’s the same height as me what do you think? Despite him standing further away from the camera. I believe footwear was pretty close amongst us all except the guy with glasses had vans and I was in 1 inch air maxes. Click Here Also I have no idea why it’s saying erotic images when you click the link there’s nothing inappropriate about the photo.
Editor Rob
the guy in the middle can seem 5ft 6ish at most given he might be a bit looser. I could envisage the guy behind you being 5ft 11 range.
It would be interesting actually if they were measured.

No man should refuse a measurement under the stadiometer or a tape measure 😎

However, in my experience getting people to agree to appear in a video is harder than I thought...maybe other folk can have better luck, height comparison videos I think are useful.
Mark84 said on 3/Jan/20
Hi Rob I am 35 years old man from Northern Italy. I am 174 cm tall just out of bed and about 172.5 cm at dinner time. Young people are very tall even in Italy these days. How would u classificate my height among European men my age?
Editor Rob
Overall in Europe you'll find some countries it's bang on average, but some Scandinavian countries maybe feel short.

Italy isn't a 'short' country, though I'm sure in some people's minds they might think of it as such!
Cristi said on 3/Jan/20
I am 189.5cm in morning and 187.5cm in evening. In my country, Romania, I tower over most of population, and I rarely see a guy taller than me. Do you think if I go in Netherlands, Sweden, America, I will be considered average?
Cristi said on 3/Jan/20
Hey Rob, How tall do you think Romania president is? His name is Klaus Iohannis, you can search photos of him with Donald Trump and Obama so you can give me an estimate, please?
Editor Rob
About 6ft 3, though could have lost height
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 3/Jan/20
@ Khaled Taban - Peace to you too, bruv! Should you wish to come back, you know where we are! 😘

It's been a great pleasure knowing you! 😁👍
Trigueros-5ft9.5 said on 3/Jan/20
@Khaled Taban You should've gone for a therapist rather than leaving the website , It's sad you've left celebheights over height obsession. However , It's your choice after all ...
Greg said on 3/Jan/20
@Kenny I think it’s fair for you to claim 5’10.5 or 179cm you’re likely over at or around 5’11 in the mornings 5’10 sounds like a low for you.
Big Ben said on 3/Jan/20
@Rob - It's funny, he thinks he might be even taller than 195 now but I beg to differ. He can barely look 6'4.25" in person mainly due to not having exactly a military posture. But standing tall he's in that upper 6'4"/6'5" range.
Editor Rob
Maybe he could stretch up taller when being measured...
InsecureTeen said on 3/Jan/20
If my height a few minutes after getting out of bed is 188cm, and approx 186cm for the majority of the day, while probably 185.5 at minimum most days, seldom 185 I think, can I claim 6'2" if I don't want to be too technical?
Joe J said on 2/Jan/20
Hi Rob,

A YouTuber who goes by the named of JMX claims 6”5, he’s done some YouTube boxing matches and an MMA match recently and there will definitely be some pictures of him with other listed YouTubers. Do you think he is the full 6”5?
Editor Rob
Wouldn't have thought a big 6ft 5, but a bit under it.
F97 said on 2/Jan/20
What would be a low respectively high eyelevel for a 183-184cm guy?
Greg said on 2/Jan/20
@Khaled Taban I don’t think 5’10 is a ‘barely good height’ for a guy, I think it’s decent same with 5’9 granted you’re legit then I wouldn’t give both heights a bad grade, remember you could always be 5’5 or shorter that would be a worse type of scenario. However, I do agree with you that one Czech there are more tall girls, Slavs can be tall sometimes same with Polish, Denmark and Nordic people as well. 6’0 isn’t common there but I would say it’s more common than America or like the U.K. Jeez Man I think the problem is more personal than just height related maybe you have body dysmorphia or something have you tried seeing a therapist? Maybe it could help and that’s not really how that works dating a tall girl doesn’t make your height obsession alone better or worse it’s a shame you’re leaving the website. 5’9 really isn’t that bad and you don’t have to be 6’0+ to date a tall girl.
Greg said on 2/Jan/20
@Myself oh yeah your Russian right? I forgot and yeah true but my father did not have flat feet, I remember that perfectly he just had a larger than average shoe size for his height because most 5’10/5’11 guys might wear either 10 or 11, but getting into the 12-14 range U.S is bigger than average for a man of said height. And yeah I know what you mean
Big Ben said on 2/Jan/20
Hey Rob, my friend here was measured 194.5cm in the noon a year ago (he might be as tall as 6'4.75" now but slightly under is a possibility). Was wondering how tall I look next to him? Click Here
Editor Rob
I think if you are 179-80, 194-5 looks very likely for that tall guy.
Kenny said on 2/Jan/20
Hi Rob, If my height at 8.30PM is 178.1CM would it be unreasonable if I claimed 179CM as my height?

Editor Rob
for a portion of the day you'll measure near 179, so it's not unreasonable to go with that figure if you want.
khaled taban said on 1/Jan/20
@Greg, let me tell you about my experience in dating a tall girl , It's disgusting !
I wish I would never have dated a tall girl, tall girls are only for tall guys , not for short men like me , having a bull*hit height and trying to fix your ego with dating a taller girl never works out , trust me , in fact it would turn back on you so badly.
Tbh with you I dated a 5'10" girl and she was always my love but also I aimed to satisfy myself and to get rid of my feeling of lacking height , I thought I'd have been retired from height obsession ,but no it never happened.
After that we have broken up (height has nothing to do with it) but we met each other coincidentally later , she asked me shyly " Are you still obsessed with height?" , I replied " I've to deal with it all of my life , It's my problem and I know how to deal with it ".
Only 6 footers are proper for tall girls , otherwise you are putting yourself into impressive situations , just like me 😉
I am leaving the site 👐
I am happy that I wrote someday on this amazing website and It used to be a part of my life.
From now on I will no longer write on my lovely site , Thanks for Greg , Nik and Sandy for helping me previously and Thanks Rob for creating this nice site ❤❤❤😍
khaled taban said on 1/Jan/20
@Greg, 5'10" is a great height for a female , no doubt. Unfortunately for a male , It's barely good , like "-D" or "D" since 5'9" is "F" just like any height below it.
5'10" women isn't that rare in the world , especially if we take tall countries in account , I was shocked of how tall Czech girls are , I went there last year and the amount of tall girls there could've blown my mind , just tons upon tons of 5'8" , 5'9" , 5'10" and even 5'11" and you could see 6'0" as more common height than normal country in Czech (for women I mean) yet still an uncommon height generally.
Myself said on 1/Jan/20
Yeah, it's only partially related. It also depends on whether you have flat feet or not, because in case you do, your shoe size wouldn't realistically represent what you would wear in case your feet had a normal arch.

My father at 6'1 peak claimed height wears 11-11.5 (US), while my mother 9-10 (US) at 5'6 (today), maybe 5'6.5 (possible peak).
My Russian grandad also wore 11-11.5 (US), but I don't know how tall exactly he was, my mother (his daughter) estimates him as being taller than my dad, but she's pretty bad at height guessing, so yeah...
(When talking about someone 5'10 or taller she usually refers to them as "tall" regardless)
Sean william Winter said on 1/Jan/20
rob what woudl you say is when short begins for a male in the uk?? young person 18 to 40. woudl you say 5'7 or less than that? what is very short for a smale??
Editor Rob
Once you get into 5ft 7 range, the percentage who would class you as short increases, but when you head into 5ft 6, I think most people are viewing you as short.
daad1234 said on 1/Jan/20
I have a similar question here as someone else had. Why is is that average height and short parents often can produce tall kids, but tall parents never have short kids?
Editor Rob
Tall parents sometimes do end up with shorter kids, look at Zendaya at 5ft 8 range with a 6ft 3 and 6ft+ father.
Rosario Dawson has a 6ft father/mother too.
chevy said on 1/Jan/20
@rob do you think average height parents can produce extremely tall kids?
Editor Rob
It can happen that the kid ends up with some of the genes that make them significantly taller than expected
See said on 31/Dec/19
Rob I wear uk 11 size is that big for 174cm what's average 9/10?
Editor Rob
It's quite long for 174cm. size 8-9UK would be a common range, 7 small, 10 big...
Greg said on 31/Dec/19
@Lime Pie I agree with you, especially with Athletes like Sports players or Professional Fighters, For example I was training at an MMA gym where my trainer met Randy Couture who Rob has listed at 5’11.5 and the trainer who might have been around 6’0 peak is like 2.5 inches taller than him idk how much height he’s losing with posture but I wouldn’t have guessed him over 5’9-5’10 in the photo because the trainer is close to my height just barely edges me out maybe 5’11 range. I’m surprised how overlisted a lot of these fighters are.
Greg said on 31/Dec/19
@Johan I think you provided an accurate estimation of the Dutch average, I felt basically average in Holland but on the lower side of it. So 181-182cm would be the younger average and for the older population it may very well be between 179-180cm. I agree that the majority of people want Holland to have a 6’0.5 average or whatever but realistically that’s not the case. Same with the American average they desperate want it to be 5’10 for young American males when in reality it’s in the 5’9 territory.

@Khaled Taban I think a size 8/9 U.S is average for a 5’9 guy, 10+ would be on the higher end and 7 on the lower. Also yeah 5’10 is very tall for a girl, I rarely see girls around that height I actually saw one girl who was close to my height I edged her in boots but she had a 1 inch sneaker maybe she was 5’10-5’11 and young probably in her 20’s. But other than that haven’t seen any girls close to my height or taller in a while.
Greg said on 31/Dec/19
@Nik technically I am a very weak 5’11 and a very strong 5’10, according to Rob.
QM6'1QM said on 31/Dec/19
Happy New Year to everyone, guys.
I love y'all!
Canson said on 31/Dec/19
Durant just measured 6’9.5 so I’m not able to see how he is 7’0” tall. Durant doesn’t have but 4” or so on 6’5” range Draymond Green
AndrewV said on 31/Dec/19
Rob, what would be your standard for "tallness" and "shortness"? Do you go by percentiles (ie like one standard deviation above/below average) or by societal perception?
Editor Rob
I would broadly class 6ft plus tall and 5ft 6 as short in Scotland.
AndrewV said on 31/Dec/19
@Johan 185cm
Since the overall average is 181cm/167cm, would you say a solid 6'0" for men and 5'7" for women is the average for young ethnic Dutch? I've been to the Netherlands once (Groningen and Amsterdam) and I felt solidly average at 184cm, most young guys I came across were either around my height or 1-2 inches taller/shorter.

You pretty much sum up my experiences being 6'0.5". I feel pretty tall in general but if I'm on a college campus or around a place with a lot of young white people I feel more tallish than legit tall. That said, most guys who are taller than me on a daily basis are only taller by 1-3 inches. A legit 6'4" is pretty uncommon, even around young white guys.
Nik Ashton said on 31/Dec/19
@ Lime Pie - I like your name!
Johan 185 cm said on 31/Dec/19
Daycringeothon said on 29/Dec/19
Tallest women in World are actually Latvian at 5’6.375”. Dutch Women are second tallest. This is based only on there being more Latvian women in proportion to their total population. Dutch women are 5’6.875”-5’7” but are in smaller numbers relative to Latvian.

Dutch males are still the tallest average by population. 182.8cm 5’11.9” for young males (18-36).


167 cm for women as of this year here in the Netherlands.

For men its 181 cm in general here.

I also looked up some other details.

A woman who is 183- 187 cm is only 1.6 % of the population. Still high when compared to many countries.

For men 198 cm or higher its 2.1 %

Even guys who fall 193-197cm are just 5.9 %.

And just to prove my point for the 100th time on this forum. There was a guy here who claimed 187 cm average in the shortest part of our country.

In Zuid Holland/Noord Brabant where this person worked, the average is now reported as being barely 180 cm.

While in the north as I said for example in Friesland and Groningen the average is 182 cm. There is even a part of the country where it is 179 cm.

A solid 5'11" is average here many won't accept it as it means their country is shorter than they think.
khaled taban said on 30/Dec/19
Rob , I am 5'9" and have shoe size 7 US . How small is that ?
Editor Rob
It is on the lower end of expected range for 5ft 9.
Lime Pie said on 30/Dec/19
I’ve noticed some athletes are shorter/taller in person when you meet them. I am 6’0.25 barefoot and met Damian Lilliard who is listed at 6’2-6’3 and he seamed maybe a half inch taller than I am. Also I’ve met Kevin Durant (a kind of rude guy) who is listed at 6’9-6’10 and is easily almost 7 foot in person, taller than listed forsure.
Kaan said on 30/Dec/19
Hey Rob Im 17 years old and my night height without socks is around 184.6 -9 cm
But My eye level Ievel is 172.4 -7 depending on day
Is that long eye level?It does look pretty long to me.Its not really my forehead but the top of my skull that looks high

Also do you think I can Claim 185 cm?
Editor Rob
Yeah it's a bit longer than average, so other people might not guess you as tall as 185 range because a lot will go by eyelevel and assume they are similar.
khaled taban said on 30/Dec/19
@Greg , CDC growth charts says 5'10" is the 98.5% percentage for girls , I don't know why I feel It's less than that !
Honestly , I regret dating a girl taller than me because I've never accepted my height after that.
Greg said on 29/Dec/19
@Justanotherguy to be fair I also used to have a listing(not an individual page) on user heights along with Bobby, Ben, Connor, Josh, Mamun, Ali Baba and CD to name a few. Since you seem obsessed with me and my legendary height measurement I figured you should know this information. I accidentally overmeasured by a bit hence my generous listing, I know another user had the same I was using a small can and it was tilting a little. I don’t think there’s an argument of whether or not I am 5’10, because clearly I’m over the mark even at my lowest. I am similar to the Celebheights user Big Josh who if memory serves correct is 5’11 out of bed and 5’10.25 at a low, though I’ve measured 5’10 3/8ths many hours out of bed my stretching routine and glucosamine is helping me correct my horrible posture (my chirp agreed) too so maybe when I have it corrected I might measure taller who knows 🤷🏻‍♂️. I read a comment on Robs video of a guy who used to measure 5’10 in the evenings and now measures 5’10.75” at his lowest so even if I managed to gain half an inch it would be good enough for me I doubt I would gain as much as a full inch though. Anyways my haters are my motivators so if anybody wants to keep hating they can do as they wish.
Daycringeothon said on 29/Dec/19
Tallest women in World are actually Latvian at 5’6.375”. Dutch Women are second tallest. This is based only on there being more Latvian women in proportion to their total population. Dutch women are 5’6.875”-5’7” but are in smaller numbers relative to Latvian.

Dutch males are still the tallest average by population. 182.8cm 5’11.9” for young males (18-36).
Nik Ashton said on 29/Dec/19
@ Big Ben - That was a wonderful gesture to Rob!
Dlsl said on 29/Dec/19
Rob is a size 11 big for 174cm?
Editor Rob
if US 11, it is a big size yeah
Nik Ashton said on 29/Dec/19
khaled taban - I agree, America is a tall country!
Nik Ashton said on 29/Dec/19
@ Justanotherguy - Greg is a strong 5’10”.
Greg said on 29/Dec/19
@Khaled Taban okay so a weak 5’10 by your standards not the sites because according to CH a weak mark only goes down to like .75 or slightly below but not as much as half. That’s a nice height for a girl to be I like girls who are between 5’9-5’11. Especially 5’10, yeah I mean I know the average for men is like 5’9 ish because majority of young guys I see are that height it can’t be 5’10 or 5’11.
Greg said on 29/Dec/19
@Sean he looks 5’10-5’11ish, I doubt he’s 6’1 because proportionally he doesn’t even look it he measured an incorrect way.
Canson said on 29/Dec/19
Big King said on 28/Dec/19
People, I was always measuring my height at the doorframe about 2 or 3 hours after being awake. When I measured my height 10 years ago 2 or 3 hours after being awake, my height result was 6'5.5" or 197cm and nowadays I measure my height only 6'5" or barely 196cm, 2 or 3 hours after being awake at the doorframe. So what happened to my stature?

Could be a wide range of factors. Hair, posture, back or other structural issues, carpet, and measuring technique. Could’ve also been accuracy and level of activity if you’re more active now. Possibly you were in college and maybe laid around more back then throughout the day than now? Very possible if someone were say 19 or 20 and now 29 or 30 with structure and working full time? There could be a variety of things. It may be best to see a doctor and possibly have a mri if you do have ailments. But overall I think at 6’5” that you are tall enough. So I’m assuming if you measure Where you do that your afternoon height is only 6’4 3/4 or 6’4 7/8? That would be you’re true height imho Since it’s the one you maintain throughout the day. Try measuring yourself out of bed and then several times in a day over an 8-10 hour timeframe. Your loss should stop around hour 7 or 8 or even before. That’ll give you a better idea. By the way I’ll be 38 on Sunday and I have lost around 2mm or maybe 1/8” to date.
Greg said on 29/Dec/19
@Justanotherguy I think you have got me confused for Bobby also since I can’t run IP addresses like Rob can I’m not sure if this is another poster who goes as someone else. I mean I know I’m really ‘over 5’10’ because I’ve been measured many times and measured myself too many times to count and not that it matters. You seem a bit dimwitted what do you mean ‘the Greg’ first of all I’m not some super villain just call me Greg and second of all you just sound like a hater projecting their insecurities into others lol. I’ve probably accomplished more in my life in a month than you have over the course of your life. For your information I did have a page on user heights although the measurement was a little messed up by 1/4th of an inch I am similar to the posted Big Josh if memory serves me correctly he is 5’11 out of bed and 5’10.25 at his lowest, I usually drop to 5’10 3/8ths a few hours out of bed 5’10.5 in the noon and 5’10.25 before bed. I’m glad I managed to rustle your jimmies though I guess you’re a little dink that’s also my biggest fan thanks for commenting! I’m guessing you’re pretty short since you sound insecure cheers.
Sakz said on 29/Dec/19
@HeightLossAtYoungAge It's probably best to get it checked out because then you'll know for sure. You shouldn't lose noticeable height at a young age. There can be small variations depending on hydration levels but that's about it.
Canson said on 29/Dec/19
Greg said on 28/Dec/19
@cmillzz 2 meals is not enough for the average person. even if you are eating 1000 calories in each, you’re supposed to eat several smaller meals throughout the day, at least a breakfast lunch and dinner and maybe a snack but maybe you have your reason for it so that’s fine. As a bodybuilder I’m eating larger big quality meals throughout the day to put on size and mass, but your goals might be different from mine.

They recommend eating 5-6 small meals per day. What Cmillz is saying though if you eat two very substantive meals that may work. They’re also now recommending something called intermittent fasting meaning eat all of your meals within an 8 hour timeframe each day. This will probably also allow you to eat the carbs you ordinarily would pass on if you’re on something like a Keto diet. They also recommend carbs be eaten early in the day as opposed to late
Canson said on 29/Dec/19
Greg said on 28/Dec/19
@cmillzz 2 meals is not enough for the average person. even if you are eating 1000 calories in each, you’re supposed to eat several smaller meals throughout the day, at least a breakfast lunch and dinner and maybe a snack but maybe you have your reason for it so that’s fine. As a bodybuilder I’m eating larger big quality meals throughout the day to put on size and mass, but your goals might be different from mine.

They recommend eating 5-6 per day. What Cmillz is saying though if you eat two very substantive meals that may work. They’re also now recommending something called intermittent fasting meaning eat all of your meals within an 8 hour timeframe each day. This will probably also allow you to eat the carbs you ordinarily would pass on if you’re on something like a Keto diet. They also recommend carbs be eaten early in the day as opposed to late
Sean william Winter said on 29/Dec/19
what is real hieght after squatting 200 lbs at gym?. or after sitting at pc. obvisous after squatting your disc get squashed so you will measure even lower than your normal low??
Justanotherguy said on 29/Dec/19
Blows my mind how the last 5 years general has been dominated by discussion of weather or not Greg is really 5'10.

Who the is Greg and why hasn't he done anything else with his life by now? And Rob, why doesn't Greg just have his own page by now?
Editor Rob
Here's a link to Greg's page on Youtube. I am sure one day he might get round to doing an out of bed measurement video.
cmillz said on 28/Dec/19
I work out a few times per week, but not really doing heavy weight training.
cmillz said on 28/Dec/19
Breakfast and lunch I meant
Greg said on 28/Dec/19
@!Arthur *ExBoyfriend there I made the correction for you it’s okay, I think Greece has been a bit more lax with the LBGT community. It’s okay to come out of the closest Arthur I’m sure you and your boyfriend where a cute couple it’s a shame you guys broke up i am sorry to hear that 😐. He wrote you a letter? That’s awesome did it include your real measurement or not? Gee idk I type really fast and think quickly so it’s nothing for me to write that. No MLA format sorry I know you and your boyfriend were recently engaged and supposed to marry outside of the cave but I’m sorry to hear that the wedding plans crashed. Yeah I know you’re so much taller than me in a reverse backwards matrix universe that doesn’t exist 😂 what a shame. You can’t even join the 5’10 club. Yeah I do take Glucascomine you should too maybe you would edge Bobby would and not be looking at the bridge of my nose 😆 cheers my great Greek friend. Hope to hear you soon. P.S the jig is up we all know you’ll never prove your height but it’s okay maybe if you move to China you’ll feel tall best wishes :)
Greg said on 28/Dec/19
@cmillzz 2 meals is not enough for the average person. even if you are eating 1000 calories in each, you’re supposed to eat several smaller meals throughout the day, at least a breakfast lunch and dinner and maybe a snack but maybe you have your reason for it so that’s fine. As a bodybuilder I’m eating larger big quality meals throughout the day to put on size and mass, but your goals might be different from mine.
Greg said on 28/Dec/19
@Myself it’s interesting because my father who was 5’11, wore a size 13/14 and he had really big feet for his height. My shoe size is more average at 10.5-11. I know shoe size doesn’t always correlate to height but in most cases it does.
Big Ben said on 28/Dec/19
@Cmillz - Correction:


"You can't build muscle or keep muscle"**

*obviously worked"**
Big King said on 28/Dec/19
People, I was always measuring my height at the doorframe about 2 or 3 hours after being awake. When I measured my height 10 years ago 2 or 3 hours after being awake, my height result was 6'5.5" or 197cm and nowadays I measure my height only 6'5" or barely 196cm, 2 or 3 hours after being awake at the doorframe. So what happened to my stature?
khaled taban said on 28/Dec/19
@Greg , I don't think It's true to consider weak 5'10" as something like 5'9.75" or 5'9 7/8ths , however this site really believe that.
By weak 5'10" I mean anything above 5'9.5" so anywhere in the 5'9.6-5'9.9" range.
khaled taban said on 28/Dec/19
@Greg, I dated a 5'10" girl (5'9.7" to be exact ) about 2 years ago , at that time I was 18 y/o and roughly 5'8" , I remember that we both wore an inch sneakers and I felt my GF was somewhat tallish next to men we walked next to.
Also , I feel I am nearly half an inch below average of younger Americans .
So based on that , your prediction of 5'9.25"-5'9.5" could be truev, I guess.
Sean william Winter said on 28/Dec/19
Click Here hey rob how tall is this he says 6'1 maybe bit less? i thought he was like 5'11 tops
Editor Rob
The only way he's 6ft 1 is if he's raised up his phone higher up than 6ft 1 and it's making him look shorter...
Myself said on 28/Dec/19
"Greg said on 25/Dec/19
Rob typically on average how tall would you expect a guy with size 13/14 feet US to be?
Editor Rob
6ft 3-4 range."
Yeah, that's about what I wear
Big Ben said on 28/Dec/19
@cmillz - Yeah but you're probably not doing bodybuildimg like me. Look it up, I must have 0.8-1g per pound of bodyweight. That's extremely important and it has onviously worked. You can build muscle or keep those muscles you've spent years working on when losing fat if your diet is not on point. And little to no carbs (slow carbs only like brown rice or couscous) along with healthy fats like avocado or 100% natural peanut butter. I view food like the matrix. Also I must add you have to drink atleast 10 cups of water everyday to help your body's metabolism which will make you recover faster and burn more fat.
Yashgupta said on 28/Dec/19
Hey rob can hanging for few minutes increase height
Editor Rob
Lying down for 10 minutes will recoup height easier than hanging on a bar would.
HeightLossAtYoungAge said on 28/Dec/19
@daad1234: That could be it. At my last physical, my levels were like 380ng/dl, which is quite low for a 24 year old. I also have other *ahem* relevant problems. I'll definitely look into that.

@Sakz: Definitely not posture related for me. Of course since I'm tall I look down a lot, but I'm no hunchback. I try to keep my shoulders back and chest up at all times. It's certainly no worse than it was a few months ago before I lost height. I'm thinking it could be early onset osteoporosis or something, because there is no denying that I've shrunk half an inch. I just hope that it doesn't continue and reverses over time if I treat it properly. It's really strange though, I get absolutely no lower back pain. In all honesty I'd rather be 196.8cm than 198cm, but I definitely don't want to see this get worse.
cmillz said on 28/Dec/19
I generally only eat two meals per day too, though it’s more like breakfast and dinner in my case.
cmillz said on 28/Dec/19
170g of protein seems pretty damn high for a 1500 calorie diet. I’m probably at 100g with my 2000 calorie diet.
Sakz said on 27/Dec/19
Unless you have a spinal condition or somehow damage it severely, you can't just automatically lose height at a young age. Generally it's posture related. If you continuously walk around with poor posture your body becomes used to it over a period of time, thus making you shorter. It's not permanent height loss though because you can correct it with posture exercises.
daad1234 said on 27/Dec/19
@HeightLossAtYoungAge I've read that low testosterone levels could cause osteoporosis, and therefore cause height loss. It's not common among young people, but it can happen. Google the symtoms of low testosterone levels and see if you match any of the them.
Dsmo6 said on 27/Dec/19
taller people usually starting to lose height sooner, and more height loss has higher chance too
EricThompson said on 27/Dec/19
I’m 5’11.5” and my shoe size for some reason has grown from a 13 to a 14. I haven’t gained much weight or anything but haven’t grown in 2-3 years. I’m 18 right now so could It be a future sign of something? I can grow a beard too which I think means the end of growth so it might just be nothing.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 27/Dec/19

That username is a mouthful. But I strongly doubt you've lost any height at all. I think what's likely is that your poor posture is contributing to a measurement that is less than your optimal measurement. Additionally, how much sleep are you getting, and are you well-rested in the morning? Anyway, you're already super tall, so I wouldn't be too bothered about it. You still tower over every single guy outdoors.
Greg said on 27/Dec/19
@Bobby Arthur isn’t going to forget the past which is why I brought up what I did and it triggered him. I would just ignore him at this point he is very insecure and is demonstrating grade A projecting right now. Usually people who project their insecurities into others demonstrate the same behaviors as him. Petty insults is his speciality he received a degree for it. You’re claim is perfectly fine. I hope we are going to go back to the one year where every other post was about your height and you claiming 5’10, Arthur implies you are 5’9.5, coincidence I think not? That’s Arthurs real barefoot height 😂😂.
Greg said on 27/Dec/19
@Khaled Taban according to this site a weak 5’10 would be defined as 5’9.75-5’9 7/8ths. The American male average would not even be as high as that barefoot. It would most likely be something around 5’9.25 maybe 5’9.5 at a push but I think that would be on the higher end of average.
Arthur! said on 27/Dec/19
By the way, I didn't take the photo down. The link expired, doofus. Ask Rob.
Arthur! said on 27/Dec/19
Holy s**t lil Greg. Your essay-reply reminds me of my ex-girlfriend's rants lmao. Sure, I haven't gotten under your skin, that's why you devoted so little time to answering me!
So you are taking glucosamine too huh? I don't, so now I know I'm definitely taller than you, thanks!
HeightLossAtYoungAge said on 27/Dec/19
For those that say height loss in 20s is not possible, tell me how this happened. I'm 24, and used to consistently measure 200cm out of bed and 198cm at night in the last year. Lately, I've been measuring 199cm out of bed and 196.8cm at night for two months. Everything is the same - location of measuring, method of measuring, time of day, activity level, hydration, posture during measurement, etc. Yet I am over 1cm shorter than I used to be. How could this have happened? My posture isn't the best, but I have no lower back pain at all.
@Bego said on 27/Dec/19
@Visitor How did man range in Sweden? Like what was the most common height?
Animus said on 27/Dec/19

While I have a bit of lower back pain while sitting, I would be surprised if I had lost height. I hurt my back deadlifting a month ago and when I took a break, I recovered 90% within 9 days or so. I feel my back is stiffer now, but I do have a few nagging injuries/tightness in my legs that might contribute to it.
Anyways, I'm 24, so I should be good. If I have lost any height, it should be a very small amount but hopefully I haven't. If I have, that's life.
Grayloth said on 27/Dec/19
The average height of Sweden has been measured and it's around 180-181 cms for ethnial swedes. mrfunnyguy can't judge height even if his life depends on it.
mrfunnyguy said on 27/Dec/19
@Visitor Since you say that the average could be 179 cm for young swedes (guys I presume you mean), do you mean that there are more young swedish guys who are 169 cm than 190cm? Isn't that ridiculous?
Visitor said on 27/Dec/19
I see a lot of talk about Sweden here. I HAVE been to Sweden and no, there's nothing special or that different about anyones height there. It's not some mythical place where every other kid is 6'2".
I'm 181-182 cm, less than 6ft in any case and walking around Stockholm I did not feel "short" or below average at any point. The barkeep was shorter than me, one (yes, white ethnic Swede) guy who stopped me on the street to ask me if I have GPS on my cell because his battery had died or something, was about 175 cm et cetera. Whatever the statistics around the web say are probably correct. The average COULD be 179 cm or something for younger people, but more than that is like confusing inches with cm's. And people do that a lot. A cm is not much, one inch on the other hand is a VERY notable difference. Both in person and statistically.
Visitor said on 27/Dec/19
Concerning the one previous comment about a month back, about "lowballing" myself... it's not that simple. Like right now, I'm a little bit over 182 cm but I've only been up for a few hours. And I really do regularly measure absolutely anything between 180 and 183 cm. On one or two occasions in the last year, I've even measured 179.8 or 179.9 after VERY strenuous exercise.

So, what should I "claim"? Honestly. On one hand you could also say even 181 cm is lying, since I can't guarantee I'm over that mark at any and every time. I do realise that for some reason, my height varies a LOT more than most others say theirs does. After a long nights sleep I really do wake up at 183 cm and like I said, sometimes after a long day (or two days without sleep for example) I really do drop down to flat 180 cm.

I can also say that absolutely "height loss" because of poor posture and spinal problems etc. is possible at any age. I have a "weightlifting" type lower back issue that I think is similar to what Animus described, and also have always had mild scoliosis. The right kind of ab exercises SHOULD correct things and "make me taller", thing is I haven't found which exercises those are yet. When I was younger, I indeed was taller because the back problem hadn't completely manifested yet and back then I could measure even 183.5 cm. But as for "height loss", a few mm's isn't a lot relatively, and 90% of people (even Hollywood celebrities) have backs that are just fine and will measure the same at ages 20 and 45.
BigJosh said on 26/Dec/19
Hey Rob what you classify me on this site if I’m 189 cm as soon as a I wake up and go to bed at around 187 cm (often a few mm above). Also if I just turned 16 a few months ago, could I possible still grow some more even if I haven’t seen much (if any) growth during the last year or two. My wingspan I measured at 197 cm so maybe their is something their but I don’t know.
Editor Rob
Still potential to be 190cm at night, at the moment you will look about 6ft 2 to most people, even though technically you are closer to 6ft 1.5 at night.
Sean william Winter said on 26/Dec/19
what counts as normal hieght after heavy stressful day on your feet for hours after lifting. or evening after sitting at pc and measure on stadiometer i managed as high as 178.8 178.9 cm.
Greg said on 26/Dec/19
@!Arthur oh and I forgot to mention but I think you are lying about your height because of what you say about you being barely average in Greece. There’s no way the average for men is over 5’8-5’9 maybe at the most you don’t live in a Nordic country or somewhere the average is over 5’11. So you feeling average or below average for Greek men is an indicator you aren’t as tall as you claim, prove me wrong by posting a measurement not some random photo with some guy because I can do that too oh x and x is this so I must be this 😂😂 not how that works at all.
Greg said on 26/Dec/19
@!Arthur you want to know what’s funny about that Arthur? In fact you are not 1/8th of an inch taller than me (by your account)lol for one and for two you made that assessment that it ‘got under my skin’ yet there’s no indicators unless you’re projecting. Never have I ever said that it did haha you wish. In your brightest Greek lucid dreams perhaps. Even if you where 5 inches taller than me or shorter (likely the latter I wouldn’t care) it doesn’t matter in the real world. Seems you most likely exaggerating your height because why else would you not upload a measurement video. If you’re that scared to show your beautiful Greek Mug you could always blur out your face and just show the measurement. 👍 First of all way back when I remember you said you where a little over 5’10 at your lowest so wouldn’t that mean you wake up at 5’11? Alright so despite you saying you wake up at 5’11 1/8th and me at 5’11 flat give or take I drop down to 5’10 3/8ths, 5’10 would an extreme low under the worst possible conditions and guess what I haven’t measured that in years! Uh oh bad news for Arthur you can hear the rumbles throughout his cave which bounces right off his shiny bald head 😛 hopefully you polished it nicely for me before submitting this comment. I want it to shine brighter than my future or the Eiffel Tower late at night. I have damaged discs as shown by an MRI and the worst posture that was causing me to not measure to my highest. ( as confirmed by my doctor) capability. perhaps these exercises my chiropractor provided me along with my stretching and routine and glucosamine have been working for the better. I’ve even measured 5’10 5/8ths several hours out of bed uh oh... bad news for Lil Arthur.. I think a few droplets of sweat are proceeding to roll down his nervous forehead as he stares off into the horizon recalculating his calculations.

Oh and as for your ‘picture’ that has got to be the worst indicator of height. Rob said you do look similar but not exactly the same height and there was no way to prove it. You could have been any height +/- 5’9-6’0. You are just thinking of any excuse in the book to not show your height because you’re likely not the height you claim, which is fine as they say history repeats itself and the Big G prophecy has a sequel that’s going to take place this Summer in Greece our favorite Arthur staring in the main role as Big G. Sounds like you’re really insecure about all of that, I wasn’t insulting you just taking funny jabs at you to rustle your Jimmy’s and seems that it worked. I upset the poor lil Arthur. I look taller than you in photos that I have contributed, you barely looked 5’9.5 in that photo which you took down because you realized we where onto you. Also why does it upset you that Bobby claims 5’10? He has every right to claim it, he’s rounding up 1/4th of an inch that somehow mysteriously is responsible for your lack of sleep. How cute, it seems you love projecting your insecurities into others. Definitely a good trait to have. And of course you mention the toxic Andrea as your favorite poster not surprised you guys are both equally delusional. Fyi they still post here, of course you left out actual good contributors like Canson and Christian c-mo etc. speaking of c-mo why does it bother you that he states his opinions? Hell hes more active here than you just go on post a comment and go on a hiatus for a few months. If c-mo wants to repeat his interest in height he is more than welcome too. You just contradicted yourself and obviously don’t know how to plug in and use your brain. As for Connor you are right and he is now banned from this site, that should make you a little happier 1 point to you. At least you won something buddy. And Rob isn’t obligated to follow your dictations, after all it’s his website not yours. Grow up oh wait you can’t. Seems everyone’s gotten under your skin by the sounds of it little one 🙂 enjoy the Greek sun for me, if it even enters your cave.
khaled taban said on 26/Dec/19
@Greg , you could say the average height for young Americans is generally a weak 5'10" , that's the safest bet.
Bobby 5'10 (1.78m) said on 26/Dec/19

Mate, I thought we agreed to burying the hatchet? So, why are you going out of your way to calling me delusional? Pray tell, what have I ever done to provoke this petty insult out of you? If you have a problem with Greg, who in fact provoked you for no reason, then fine but keep me out of it. I want nothing to do with it. I won't justify myself to you anymore. So, bye.
AndrewV said on 26/Dec/19

A 5’10” average for young Swedes seems rather low but a 6’1” or 6’2” average is just laughable.
Emil said on 26/Dec/19
@Big King

I really doubt you have lost any height. I have measured both 0.25 inch below and 0.25 above my real height depending on the floor and wall I've been measured on.
I know the error margin in my case isn't as remarkable as in yours, but you're also more than 5 inches taller than me.
6footTom said on 25/Dec/19
@Editor Rob

By poorer posture, do you mean that poor posture makes people seem shorter or do you mean that poor posture can actually cause spinal shrinkage even as early as in our 20's? I'm 23 but people have remarked that I have poor posture, I'm starting to get a little concerned now.
Editor Rob
By developing poorer posture, the spine may have some alignment problems, meaning when you stand 'tall' for a measurement, the curvature isn't as optimal as it was age 20....which is why doing exercise/stretching may recover lost postural height.
Greg said on 25/Dec/19
Rob typically on average how tall would you expect a guy with size 13/14 feet US to be?
Editor Rob
6ft 3-4 range.
mrfunnyguy said on 25/Dec/19
@Yeah, because YOU know everything about Sweden, not me, and you are the expert of the average height in Sweden. There are SO many young swedish guys who are 5'10, and of course, there are more swedish guys who are 5'6 than 6'3. That's completely rational. 5'6 is four inches shorter than 5'10 and 6'3 is five inches taller than 5'10. Are you serious? Please tell me that you are joking that there are more swedes who are 5'6 than 6'3. You seriously make me almost angry by saying that.
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 25/Dec/19
Height loss in 20’s? No way
Arthur! said on 25/Dec/19
Greg you ve also admitted in the past that you drop down to a 5'10 flat at your worst. I ve always maintained that my absolute lowest has been 5'10 1/8, hence why I am 1/8 taller than you. I also wake up at 5'11 1/8, when you admitted you wake up at 5'11. Since 2019, I started working out more often, maybe my posture is better, so I now measure at 5'10.25 at my worst, usually after working out. By the way, I dont have any feelings about me being 1/8 taller than you. It just got under your skin, so it was fun to point it out. I don't consider 1/8 of an inch a visible difference. Even if you have the exact same stats as I do, it's irrelevant. We live in different continents, it just doesn't matter.
Another thing I want to point out. I don't feel the need to post a video measurement of myself, I ve made quite a few people mad here over the years so anonymity works better for me. The moment I posted a photo of myself with the SOAD drummer and Rob admitted I looked similar range to Serj Tankian (listed here at 5'10.5) you started throwing petty insults about anything but my height (I am on propecia now and it's going great, thanks for motivating me Greg!). But I will say this: if Rob is ever interested in adding John Dolmayan the drummer to the site, I am willing to post a measurement of myself ONLY to help him estimate his height better. It's funny that most of you people on this page have contributed ZERO on the site's main goal, to estimate celebrities' heights. It's all been about autistic Connor's vitriolic rants, Bobby's kind hearted but delusional (rounded up) 5'10 is tall statements, c-mo's pathetic height rate -oh my good 179.5 cm is the best height- spamming etc. Andrea, who was a good contributor has stepped away from the site. Rob needs to to do something about this page, otherwise there's no need for comment moderation.
Editor Rob
This page has always been a free for all, with opinions varying tremendously.

A lot of it I don't agree with, but it's a forum to see what people think about height.

If I don't have the page, this stuff appears on celebrity pages and I have to delete it, but I can move it here.
Animus said on 25/Dec/19
What kind of injuries cause height loss in your 20s? I occasionally have a little lower back pain from a weightlifting injury (nothing insane and it's mostly when sitting on the toilet) and at those times I feel I stand shorter than I can, but I'm guessing you'd need something more major to cause real height loss?
Editor Rob
fractures in spine or some disc damage could cause a bit of loss.
Animus said on 25/Dec/19
Rob, are you aware of any correlation between lower back pain and height loss? And is it possible to experience height loss in your 20s save for a catastrophic injury?
Editor Rob
Some people will lose height in 20's through injuries or developing poorer posture, but I'd have thought a small percentage.
6'1guy said on 25/Dec/19
@A177 I think he's 5'11.5- 6ft range. He never stands tall though, Maybe if he did he'd be a tiny bit over 6 foot.
Poster said on 24/Dec/19
@AndrewV: I usually agree with you, but I disagree with your classifications of shorter women in your height chart. For example, I think that 5'2 could be classified as "short". If you look at 5'0 and 5'1, you'll notice that they're in very low percentiles. I'm just referring to younger white American women, by the way, so disregard this if you were being much more general.
A177 said on 24/Dec/19
How tall do you think Robbie is from Arsenal Fan Tv? he interviews fans a lot face to face
Big Ben said on 24/Dec/19
@Christian 6'5 3/8th" - Keeping the protein at 1g per pound of bodyweight when cutting is incredibly important to avoid losing muscle.
Nik Ashton said on 24/Dec/19
@ FiveEightJake - It’s interesting that you and one of your older brothers are shorter than one of your parents! It’s also interesting that people in Nottingham are shorter than people in Cheshire, Nottingham is a big city and there are no places in Cheshire as big as Nottingham!
Nik Ashton said on 24/Dec/19
@ Lell - Where are you from?
khaled taban said on 24/Dec/19
@Rob ,I don't know how do Europeans call the United States "not tall country" when American average of 5'10" is higher than 80% of countires in the world .
Editor Rob
The overall American average isn't 5ft 10, but decent 5ft 9, not much different than UK.
Greg said on 24/Dec/19
@!Arthur so what was it about you bragging about supposedly being 1/8th of an inch taller than me if you drop to 5’10.25? And I am usually 5’10.3” 5’10.25 is my low after working out too. at a low you would be around the same height as me you just seem to lose more. But I remember you said you dropped to 5’10 or slightly over so you wouldn’t be taller than me either way 😂.
Greg said on 24/Dec/19
@Khaled Taban Yeah true at 179.5cm you would feel only tallish in the U.S basically right in between above average and tall.

@Lell nah you would be high average in Sweden above it slightly I’m going to have to call bs on that sorry man I can’t believe that 5’11.5 is the average in sweden it’s at max 5’10 or so for young guys.
Sakz said on 24/Dec/19
@Dan84 Pretty much a typical experience for a strong 6 footer, considering very tall heights such as 6'3+ aren't common in the UK and most other places. My experiences are similar at a weak 6'1, and the taller guy I'll see will typically only be around 3-4 inches taller. 6'5+ is definitely rare.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 24/Dec/19

That's generally my experience at 5'10, as most guys are only taller than me by 2-3 inches it seems, discounting those who are 6'2+, as they are quite uncommon in Toronto.
khaled taban said on 24/Dec/19
@Greg , I guess it depends on the state , as you could feel tall at 179cm in NewYork for example , however generally you need to be 182cm minimum to feel tall in the US.
Johan 185 cm said on 24/Dec/19
Dan84 said on 22/Dec/19
Posted in here before, but on a day out in London today visiting some busy places, I certainly felt solid tall. I'm 184cm in the evening and was wearing shoes giving about 1.25 inches today so wasn't far off 6 foot 2 in shoes. I did notice that many guys who were taller, were only bigger by 2-3 inches. A true 6 foot 4 plus is rarer than people think on here. Saw one guy today at Westfield who must have been 2 metres as I probably came up to his nose and he stood out massively in the crowd. Not sure I'd want to be that tall.


This is the same experience every guy 6' + has Dan, don't let some posters try to convince you otherwise. At 6'1" its the same most guys are max 3" taller.

Guys who are 6'5-6'6" are more rare than some admit, although here in the Netherlands you will see them daily in cities.

The guys who are 6'7" + are rarer still and my friend who is 6'8" never really meets anyone taller than him. Thats why when we went drinking with a co-worker he was shocked as Nick is 6'10.5".

Nick never sees anyone taller than him. Although I pointed out that at a work party there was a bartender who claimed 7' and he definetly looked it. This was a few years ago.
AndrewV said on 24/Dec/19
A 5’11” average for young ethnic Swedes seems right based on most studies and figures I’ve seen, but a 6’1”, much less 6’2”, average is honestly laughable. The Netherlands and ex-Yugoslav countries are renowned for being the tallest and aren’t even that tall on average.
177.8cm said on 24/Dec/19
@rob , I’m 19 I just grew like 0.5cm now barely 178cm in the morning, and haven’t grown anymore was that my growth plates closing ?
Editor Rob
They might not be fully closed, but the closer to 20 the chances of noticeable growth goes down dramatically.
Big King said on 24/Dec/19
Hi Rob and hi people! I have a serious request. When I was 18 or 19 years old, I was 6'5.5" tall and now I'm 30 years old and I stand only at 6'5" at the same time during the day when I measured my height 6'5.5" about 12 years ago. I guess I lost a half inch. Is that normal that people start to shrink at age 30?
Editor Rob
Some might have a little postural difference, but it could be as simple as time of day or different wall/floor giving the difference.

If it was a full inch, then that would be more glaring a difference.
chevy said on 24/Dec/19
What do you guys think about the height 6ft 7 for men?
Sean william Winter said on 23/Dec/19
just did a new measurement evening breathing in stand tall 178.8 cm. becuase most doctors offices ask u to breath in then release to get maximum hieght.
Lell said on 23/Dec/19

I am 179.5 cm and most guys edge me out by one inch here. Average for young guys is definitely like 5'11"
Greg said on 23/Dec/19
@mrfunnyguy Yes actually I have been to Sweden which is why I can tell you that you’re full of it. The average guy is probably closer to 5’10, maybe a flat 5’10 but that’s for a national Swedish young man. The older older people would be like 5’9.5 or so. No there are guys under 5’10.5 and not just Immigrants. No? I would have said the opposite they are inflating it seems like your tricked about height because there’s no way 6’1 or 6’2 is the average. Alls I noticed was that the Swedish average was higher than the American but not by a lot I still felt above average in Sweden.
Progking said on 23/Dec/19
@Dan184 yeah i am 6'0 and 6'1.25-6'1.5 in shoes in Canada and also feel tall enough when in public, a good amount of times there is just one or two very tall guys like 6'4 and im taller than most others. Unless im in a mall, especially in the big city, and there are a lot more 6'1-6'4 guys, then i just feel above average. Still i feel fine at my height
Arthur! said on 23/Dec/19
Nah, these are exactly my stats. I wake up 1/8 above 5'11 and my absolute low after a workout at night seems to be 5'10.25 now.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 23/Dec/19
Non offense, but what makes you the spokesperson for Sweden's average, when you're the same guy who said multiple times, that the Swedish average is 6'2"? LOL. Just because a person lives in a country, doesn't mean that he'll have a better perception of the average height, than a person who doesn't live there. It reminds me of one poster here before, who claimed to have lived in Netherlands, claimed that the Dutch average was high as 189cm.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 23/Dec/19
@Big Ben and Greg
I'm around 100kg and consume roughly 90g of protein on average, so it's not like I'm deficient. All I'm saying, is that 170g seems a bit too disproportionately high based on a 1500 calorie diet. If you eat a 3000+ diet, then I can understand.

I might eat less calories than the average man my weight, but that's partly due to me eating only 2 meals a day. (lunch and dinner) I don't follow the standard 3-4 meal per day method. I actually feel better, and experience less hunger pains and snack cravings by doing it. I don't know if it's for everyone though.
mrfunnyguy said on 23/Dec/19
I have a question for everyone here who say that the average of Sweden is 5'10 or something like that. Do you suggest that is about an equal amount of swedish men who are 5'5 as 6'3? That would also mean there is an equal amount of swedish guys who are 5'8 as 6'0. Don't you realize how that sounds? Even 5'11 is a bit ridiculous, since that would mean there is an equal amount of swedish guys who are 5'7 as 6'3.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 23/Dec/19
It might be more 176cm than 177. It's more accurate to subtract 1cm from recorded averages, to get the real average.
mrfunnyguy said on 23/Dec/19
@ Greg Have you even been to Sweden, or do you base that on what others have said? I literally don't even see swedish guys who are shorter than 5'10.5, it's like they don't even exist, and you are trying to say that 5'9.75 is average? As I have said before too, swedes for some weird reason like to downgrade their own height and say that they are shorter than they are often, so you may have been tricked in to thinking that the average is lower than it is because of that.
edwards said on 22/Dec/19
@ AndrewV

i agree with your chart.
Dan84 said on 22/Dec/19
Posted in here before, but on a day out in London today visiting some busy places, I certainly felt solid tall. I'm 184cm in the evening and was wearing shoes giving about 1.25 inches today so wasn't far off 6 foot 2 in shoes. I did notice that many guys who were taller, were only bigger by 2-3 inches. A true 6 foot 4 plus is rarer than people think on here. Saw one guy today at Westfield who must have been 2 metres as I probably came up to his nose and he stood out massively in the crowd. Not sure I'd want to be that tall.
Greg said on 22/Dec/19
@Khaled Taban yeah 5’9.7 for Young White Males out of bed sounds about right, in the afternoons it would be like 5’9.25-5’9.5 or there abouts.
Greg said on 22/Dec/19
@Arthur no Ben is likely taller than you he’s around 5’11-5’11 1/8th out of bed if I’m not mistaken and 5’10.25-5’10.3 at a low. Average in Sweden is not 5’11 it’s like 5’9.75-5’10 for young Swedish males everyone’s always thinks the average is taller this isn’t Amsterdam or Bosnia.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 22/Dec/19
😴 Correction Time! 🖕

In my last submission from the 21st, this is how the final line should have read: " yes, I knew I was back to the size I used to be."

Somehow, a 'you' found its way in!
Person111 said on 22/Dec/19
@Bobby - those height charts include every race and group. Upper average means in between 50th and 75th, so 60-ish something percentile. Those same height charts you agree with are the same source that say white males (age 20-39) are 5'10 at 50th percentile, which you disagree with. So you agree with those height charts but not with the young white male average at 5'10, but both come from the same source.
Big Ben said on 22/Dec/19
@Arthur - Stats says anything from 5'10" to 5'11.5". I don't know my morning height but I expect it to be around 5'11" or a bit more.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 22/Dec/19

The charts look about right to me, but is upper average meant to correspond with above average?
Arthur! said on 22/Dec/19
@Big Ben

What's your highest morning measurement? Sounds like we are pretty identical in height. But you live in Sweden right? Average height for males there must be a legit 5'11 if not a shade more, am I right?
AndrewV said on 22/Dec/19
Mean heights by ethnicity for 20-40 year olds in the US

Non-Hispanic White: 178cm for men, 165cm for women
Non-Hispanic Black: 177cm for men, 164cm for women
Hispanic: 172cm for men, 159cm for women
Asian: 172cm for men, 158cm for women
AndrewV said on 22/Dec/19
Height chart for American female general population, all age groups and ethnicities:
147cm and below: =1st percentile, really short
148cm-151cm: Very short
152cm-155cm: Legit short
156cm-157cm: Shortish
158cm-160cm: Lower average
161cm-163cm: Solid average
164cm-166cm: Upper average
167cm-168cm: Tallish
169cm-172cm: Solid tall
173cm-176cm: Very tall
177cm and above: 99th+ percentile, really tall
AndrewV said on 22/Dec/19
Height chart for American male general population, all age groups and ethnicities:'
159cm and below: =1st percentile, really short
160cm-163cm: Very short
164cm-167cm: Legit short
168cm-170cm: Shortish
171cm-173cm: Lower average
174cm-176cm: Bang average
177cm-179cm: Upper average
180cm-182cm: Tallish
183cm-186cm: Solid tall
187cm-190cm: Very tall
191cm and above: 99th+ percentile, really tall
AndrewV said on 22/Dec/19
Height chart for young Asian and Hispanic American women:
143cm and below: =1st percentile, really short
144cm-147cm: very short
148cm-151cm: Legit short
152cm-153cm: Shortish
154cm-156cm: Lower average
157cm-159cm: Solid average
160cm-162cm: Upper average
163cm-164cm: Tallish
165cm-168cm: Solid tall
169cm-172cm: Very tall
173cm and above: 99th+ percentile, really tall
AndrewV said on 22/Dec/19
Height chart for US white women ages 20-59
150cm and below: =1st percentile, really short
151cm-154cm: Very short
155cm-158cm: Legit short
159cm-160cm: Shortish
161cm-163cm: Lower average
164cm-166cm: Bang average
167cm-169cm: Upper average
170cm-171cm: Tallish
172cm-175cm: Solid tall
176cm-179cm: Very tall
180cm and above: 99th+ percentile, really tall
Sakz said on 22/Dec/19
@6'1 guy He's clearly getting tall and very tall confused. His definition of tall is standing out.
khaled taban said on 22/Dec/19
@Greg , see this link :Click Here . this is 2000 CDC growth chart , If you look at 50% percentage , It comes to 177cm (5'9.7").
FiveEightJake said on 22/Dec/19
@Nik Ashton

Yes I’ve got 3 siblings my two older brothers are 5’8 and 6’ , sister is 5’6, parents are around 5’10 & 5’6, maybe half an inch taller peak, they are nearly 60 tbf.

Also, you’re right I’ve worked in Stoke & Nottingham areas and the average felt quite a fair bit lower there. Cheshire is predominantly whites I guess. Didn’t see many multi cultured people kicking about. Could mean a higher average.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 22/Dec/19
Further to my comment on muscle definition from yesterday, I'd like to add that I've read that muscles 'have memories', and once they've been formed, it only takes one's day-to-day normal activity for them to return. I have seen this on a number of occasions after illness throughout my life.

I remember the excruciating pain I went through as a developing child to form them, but it's well worth it. I didn't really know what was going on; my ulterior motive was that I was saving on my bus fares! After around 8 months, the pain subsided and the walking became less and less of an effort. Obviously, that was called 'becoming fit'!
AndrewV said on 22/Dec/19
Your figures are pretty close to the CDC's measurements (which weren't rounded up by a half inch but to the nearest 0.1cm). The average is closer to a flat 5'9" for the whole population but it's 5'9.5" for young people ages 20-40 of all races and backgrounds. However for men of European descent of the same age group specifically, the average is a solid 5'10".
edwards said on 22/Dec/19
@ AndrewV

i had hard times on seeing that average is near 5'10.i have to say that average for all races is 5'8.5-5'9 honestly.for young folk's its around 5'9.5 but not 5'10 as i have seen and felt.maybe its rounded from 5'9.5 to 5'10.the average is still around 5'9 atleast here in the states.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 21/Dec/19
⭐ I was alerted to the fact that my weight had returned to normal when I was pottering about in the kitchen, and suddenly my knickers fell down! 😀

At first, I thought the elastic might have gone, but as I pulled them up, I could feel bones that I hadn't felt in ages, so yes, I knew I was back to you the size I used to be!
Nik Ashton said on 21/Dec/19
@ FiveEightJake - Have you got any siblings and if so how tall are they!
Nik Ashton said on 21/Dec/19
@ FiveEightJake - You could find plenty of places in England where you would feel above average, granted you would find quite a few places where you would feel like you did in Cheshire!
I sometimes feel above average in West Yorkshire and I am 5’7.25”!
Sakz said on 21/Dec/19
@pov So you keep saying but that's the opposite for many people. You're saying you're taller than most people at 6'0 but then saying you're not tall, which is just contradicting yourself. Common sense also comes into it when you take into account you're more than 80% taller than the population at 6'0, with more people shorter than you as opposed to taller. Even in terms of proportions a 6'0 or 6'1 male looks tall and can be guessed taller as some have been on here. Just stating the facts because I don't see your logic.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 21/Dec/19
@ Christian - I'd have thought a guy of your size would be able to consume far in access of just 2000 calories a day. They say the 'average man' can eat 2500 and you are far taller than the average man! 100 grams of protein for you is fine. I'd say that many a day, I consume that many myself, just not as many calories!

I have only, within the past couple of months, shaken off the poundage I gained after my hip replacement - without even trying. My muscle definition is still quite startling, something that isn't exactly visible when you've put on a few pounds!

So a message to all you youngsters out there: the muscle tissue you acquire in your young days will be pretty much with you for life. (I'm not talking about the sort of OTT muscle that comes with weight training though). I achieved mine by walking long distances every day from the age of 11.

Cheers Christian and everybody else who reads this! 😁👍 XX
Lell said on 21/Dec/19

I measured 179 cm at 1 AM after being up all day, what would I measure during lunchtime?

@Big Ben
The long legs and that you cover the whole pic makes you look atleast 6'2" haha but you look good dude, riktigt grov asså
Editor Rob
Have a chance of 180 lunchtime
Big Ben said on 21/Dec/19
@Christian 6'5 3/8" - If you're doing bodybuilding like me you should have 0.8-1g of protein per pound of bodyweight. Your average bloke however should have 0.36g of protein per pound of bodyweight. 2000-2500 is a really small amount for a guy your size, you would have to eat like 2900 calories just to maintain your weight.
Err said on 21/Dec/19
Rob how come you measured air max 90s and 95's and got easily over an inch? I have measured several different pairs/makes and all are an inch on the dot
Editor Rob
If they have a few months of wear, the insole could have lost a few mm's by the time you measure them.
6'1guy said on 21/Dec/19

What's this obsession with being known as "the tall guy?" It seems like you'd be happy at being 6'7, you'll always be the tall guy then. Bloody hell man you sound insecure as s**t. 6'2 isn't even that tall dude. I honestly think you ain't 184cm. The reason why legit 6 foot and over is such a desired height is because you are taller than 99% of women. Even when tall women wear heels you will be taller than them or as tall as them. It's not about being the Burj Khalifa. Jesus man
Greg said on 21/Dec/19
@cmillzz Yeah I agree it’s Ice’s long lost brother along with their Cousin french guy on a quest to troll the forums yet again.
Greg said on 21/Dec/19
@Christian usually it is recommended to consume between .08-1G of protein per body weight, and depending on your goals to bulk up or cut down approximately 1G of Carbohydrates per body weight.
Sean william Winter said on 21/Dec/19
pov who cares about being 6ft 2. wat does it matter. your good enough
Progking said on 21/Dec/19
@pov yeah i am basically a 184-185 guy when im out, a little less barefoot(as in my current shoes i am close to 6'2) and i still feel 6'0.5 or so is the very start of tall. The average is closer to 5'9.5 for young men, so 3 inches over is tall. I feel tall until i encounter 6'2-6'4 guys. They seem more solid and standout tall.
Mhmdmahmoud said on 21/Dec/19
Rob there are companies claim to increase
You height
And I am confused if it legit or scam ? advice me if it a legit I would to buy one of it
The name of company on facebook is "pure internationl product
Editor Rob
Whilst some exercise routines could improve your posture a bit, I think it is difficult to naturally gain height in adulthood.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 21/Dec/19
@Big Ben
170g of protein is a lot for just 1500 calories. That's a bit too much per calorie, even if you're trying to get lean. I consume around 2000-2500 a day, but my protein intake is probably no more than around 100g.
Sean william Winter said on 21/Dec/19
@big ben nice physique. i personaly like to weight but you have more muscles than me. 160 i feel to skinny..
pov said on 21/Dec/19
No one really refers to you as the “tall” guy until you’re around 6”2, maybe 6”1.5 lowest. 6 foot flat is not tall in my books. Believe me I don’t feel tall at 184cm, I am above average comfortably taller than most people. But being tall by technicality doesnt make you tall by physical presence. This is why I think the percentile argument is stupid, with that you could argue anyone 5”10+ is tall, infact anyone 0.000001cm above average is tall then. It doesn’t make sense. Common sense is the best option. 6”2 is a solid tall in pretty much everyone’s book.
AndrewV said on 21/Dec/19
@Christian 6’5 3/8”
The average for young Americans ages 20-39 of all races and backgrounds is about 5’9.5” while it’s a solid 5’10” for white men of the same age group: Click Here
Big Ben said on 21/Dec/19
@Rob - Yeah, I have a rather large head. I remember having a fraction larger head than my 6'2" friend (but he does have a rather small head) when we got our graduation hats tailored.

By the way, I got a new turtleneck and I'm curious how tall I look? Click Here

I actually haven't measured myself since I got that 178.7cm measurement by a doctor 6.5 active hours out bed. That was 7 months ago now.
Editor Rob
Above average even with head tilted down, helps your legs aren't short!
QM6'1QM said on 21/Dec/19
Big Ben said on 20/Dec/19

Good pic. I think, you're pretty mesomorph. How tall are you, 5'10 or 5'11" ?
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 21/Dec/19
If that's true, please show us the link where it says that the average young American is 5'9 7/8". Even young white Americans aren't quite that tall.

I agree with you. Young whites are "near" 5'10" (like weak 5'10" range), but not a solid or strong 5'10". 5'9.5" is possible too, but no less.
Big Ben said on 20/Dec/19
Hey Rob! I've been leaning down from mid September till now. Will keep going for a few months more. Was 181lbs and I now weigh 168lbs (sometimes the scale will say 169 and sometimes it'll say 167). It's an incredibly long and gruesome process to lose fat and keep muscle. I eat 1500 calories a day which contains 170g of protein (I try to get it all from real food like bland chicken) and no carbs (only complex carbs like brown rice or couscous). Now, I usually have one cheat meal per week but recently I've decreased it to once every 3 weeks.

Would you say face is starting to look quite sunken in? I want to get to a single digit bodyfat % which I'll hopefully reach in time for the summer. IClick Here (lol apparently this is an "erotic" image to Imgur😹😹)
Editor Rob
Maybe a bit thinner in the face now, although you don't have a narrow skull to begin with, so the effects of losing weight might not look as noticeable.
FiveEightJake said on 20/Dec/19
I had an interesting experience today. In my local town in Shropshire I actually felt above average at 5’8.5, quite a few old folks kicking about not so many young ones, later on I went to a slightly upper class town in Cheshire and tbh I felt a bit of a short arse, was probably down to about 173.6 then as it was late evening. It didn’t help that at one of the m & s stores there was a few girls who worked there that were i’d say about 5’9, 5’11 & 6’1, it was rather odd, there was also plenty 5’6 - 5’9 women kicking about and most blokes seemed 5’10-11, maybe it’s just a shop for tall people I don’t know. Plenty of young people in town too. I did feel in that lower average range there. Seemed like most of the blokes were indeed 5’10 or higher but still saw quite a few blokes similar to me.

Definitely interesting that certain parts of the country and obviously different age groups can make you feel taller or shorter. I feel like if I ever went to the Netherlands I’d feel like a right Hobbit 😂
cmillz said on 20/Dec/19
Lol at anyone taking Redwing seriously at this point.
c-mo said on 20/Dec/19
I know I already said it often (or at least something similar) but I want to say it one more time :

when it comes to aeshtethics without comparing the height with other heights then around 179-180cm is the most aesthetic height . it somehow looks the most harmonic and proportionate

it is also a great height in general too . you are strong average even in most european countries and will be above average or even tallish sometimes

and 184-185cm is the overall perfect height if you have good body proportions because at 184-185 you will almost never be towered by other men and you are fairly tall without being too tall . even a 195cm man will not tower you ...he will be noticably taller than you but you wont look "short" next to him . only men who are like 200cm+ or so will tower you and who cares about that ...they are rare anyway

so I would say the overal ideal range is 179cm to 184/185cm at night with harmonic body proportions . anything below 178cm nighttime is not ideal and anything above 185cm at night is not ideal IMO . I dont mean to say that other heights are bad ...of course a well built 190cm has a good height and I am around 176cm in the afternoon-evening and I feel that my height is very decent and fairly good . but yeah I think "ideal" is 179 - 184 range .
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 20/Dec/19

That seems most likely. He has reproduced the 175.2cm measurement a multitude of times. Therefore, the measurement is highly reliable, and I don't understand what the problem is. He's either a 5'9 guy or a solid 6'1 guy. Is he absolutely certain his dad is 6'2? My mom keeps going on about my dad being 6'0, but I know I've measured myself as 5'10 many times before, and I am taller than him by 2-3 inches, so I know not to trust her judgement on his height. When in doubt, just measure yourself, or record your eye level at the very least, I believe Rob has suggested the latter to Redwing. Finally, I recommend that Redwing take a picture of himself when his whole body is in the frame so we can gauge his height through his body proportions. Additionally, if he is standing next to an object that we know the height of or even another person, it will make things easier.
Greg said on 20/Dec/19
@Xeon 5’8 @Khaled Taban I would say the average is 5’9.5 for young American men it could be between 5’9.25-5’9.5. Robs estimate for 5’9.75 would be right out of bed with bust a gut/and or shoes perhaps,
Greg said on 20/Dec/19
@RedWing easy there buddy, we only get triggered and lash out emotionally if there’s an element of truth to something. I wasn’t ‘having a go at you mate’ simply facing you with the possible cold truth you may not be 6’1 as other posters here have said. I never said you were not civil with me before but sounds like you are projecting your insecurities into me right now. When the facts up in your face like “how you going?”Don’t project, that’s a really beta behavior. If you are getting measured at 5’9 then you can’t be 6’1 that’s 4 inches of difference, not sure how that could be possible to me it sounds like a troll. You could easily use an aerosol can against the wall method and use the tape it’s not rocket science tbf it’s so easy a cave man can do it 😂
Greg said on 20/Dec/19
@Johan 185 cm most doctors have accurate stadiometers depending how they are set up, gym stadiometers are usually not the same model that Doctors/Rob uses. For example, my gyms stadiometer is flimsy and will under/over measure you because the top part won’t go straight on top of your head. It’s more accurate to use a SECCA or aerosol can method. And the doctors could have a flimsy one too if it’s set up on carpet it can under measure you a fraction, that’s happened to me before.
Johan 185 cm said on 20/Dec/19

You could always go to see your doctor and ask them to measure you at the clinic. Most surgeries have a stadiometer available, or go to the gym and ask someone there?

Then you will know for sure.
mrfunnyguy said on 20/Dec/19
@Redwing Sorry to disappoint you, but it seems to be that you really are 175.2 cm if you measured yourself as that with different measuring tapes.
Editor Rob
Let's all hope Redwing can get to the bottom of the mystery!
Emil said on 20/Dec/19

Sounds to me that you're in fact 175.2 cm and not 186 cm as you previously thought.
ltyfm6740 said on 20/Dec/19
What is the difference between legit 5ft 11 and flat 5ft 11 in cm or mm?
Redwing said on 20/Dec/19
Greg, hi? No I’m not lying about being 6’1 I’m not Glenn my guy; I’ve bn on this site for ages too man. Pretty weird you’re having a go at me over my own height? Who hurt you? I’ve only approached you in the past on here and I was always civil cause I thought you were a cool poster.. No I use the Hart measuring tape, haven’t used a stadiometer before but I want too tbh.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 20/Dec/19
Maybe it depends on the region, because here in LA (and SoCal in general), black men don't feel any shorter than white men on average. I don't know if you see it differently though, since we live in the same area.
Nik said on 19/Dec/19
@ Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) - You are so right!
Adam5602 said on 19/Dec/19
I recently bought the Hopkins Road Rod portable stadiometer and it measured me at 180(5'10 7/8) cm straight out of bed, and at 5'10 1/4 before bed. Is this stadiometer reliable or accurate for determining height?
Editor Rob
The Road Rod is basically the Seca Leicester model, sold under Road Rod name. So it is probably going to add (like the seca) a couple of mm more. I'd still call yourself a solid 5ft 10 guy
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 19/Dec/19

How is it that you consistently measure yourself at 175cm but yet stipulate that you've measured 186cm before? What's your eye level, first of all? That's like saying in my case, that I've measured 183cm and now measure 178cm, which just isn't possible as my eye level is 166.37cm. Are you absolutely certain you're as tall as you say you are? It's very bizarre that you would measure a full 10cm shorter than your claim.
khaled taban said on 19/Dec/19
@AndrewV,CDC average is 5'9.7/8 for the young genration in the US.
Xion 5'8 said on 19/Dec/19
Xeon 5'8 said on 18/Dec/19
@Rob What is your guess about the average height of young american white men?
Editor Rob
I can believe the CDC figures are reasonable, near 5ft 10 for them.

@Rob The average according CDC is 177.4 cm, but they measured them with bust a gut and i suppose that 4 hours out of bed.
Is possible 5'9.5" for young american white men?
Editor Rob
5ft 9.75 10-11am I think is very believable for that 18-30 range.
Nik Ashton said on 19/Dec/19
@ John124 - Where do you live?
Nik Ashton said on 19/Dec/19
@ John124 - Too true! There are a lot of working class areas in England and in those areas people are quite a bit shorter than what they are on average in the whole of England, many of these working class areas are in northern England but not all of them though! 🥾👢!
Greg said on 19/Dec/19
@Redwing that doesn’t make any sense all tape measures are the same, either you don’t know how to use it simply or you’re not 186cm to me honestly just sounds like your 175cm and in denial are you using an aerosol can against the wall? Or how on earth are you trying to measure yourself? That can’t be right and don’t ever try to base your height off of other people unless you have actually seen them measure in front of you I know plenty of people who say “ oh he says he’s this so I must be this” that’s not right.
Poster said on 18/Dec/19
@AndrewV: That's true. Southern white people tend to be Anglo-Celtic. Australians might be the closest genetic match to them. However, there are some parts of the South that have more people of French, German, and Irish ancestry. It's also true that SE Asians tend to be smaller, not just shorter, than NE Asians. There are other differences that aren't appropriate to mention on a board dedicated to height. Their height differences are almost certainly genetic in origin. There may even be genetic strength differences. I once saw a documentary in which SE Asian women attempted weight training. The narrator mentioned that they lacked the musculoskeletal structure and physical strength to lift as much as other women. They showed SE Asian women struggling to move even moderate amounts of weight.
Redwing said on 18/Dec/19
Hi rob, all right then and nah mate I wouldn’t joke around about lying about tape measurements and tapes themselves. Yes I actually have a few measuring tapes lying around (Dad is a builder) that all seem to be measuring me at 175.2 m. My dad not biological one, is 6’2 when I stand straight we’re similar heights, I say I’m 186 cm cause that’s what I measured myself as when I was 20. I met NZ actor Ben Barrington and I was under his nose with same footwear.

Yeah I’ll definitely buy another measuring tape but I just can’t find the right one, as they all measure me at 175 m. I could show you the tape I used through pic? Also yes I’ll definitely send a comparison pic of the tapes ( just need to find one that measures me correctly first) I do have a fridge I’ll look it up online then too. Also if I were 5’9 why would I be looking at the moustache of a 6’4 man? 😂
Editor Rob
Maybe try holding the tape measure right in front of you and look straight ahead.

If you are looking nearer 164cm than 174cm (with your eyes) then you would in fact be nearer 176 than 186.

However the fact you also say you got 186 makes this a very curious case, I hope you can figure out your true measurement!
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 18/Dec/19

A difference of 1cm is insignificant and not worth mentioning. There's no use bragging about half an inch when you're basically about eye level with someone else.
QM6'1QM said on 18/Dec/19
John124 said on 17/Dec/19

How tall are you ? 5'11 ?!
But you're right.
Xeon 5'8 said on 18/Dec/19
@Rob What is your guess about the average height of young american white men?
Editor Rob
I can believe the CDC figures are reasonable, near 5ft 10 for them.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 18/Dec/19
@ Bego - A belated "👍!"

I have only just noticed your reply! 😉
Kiers96 said on 18/Dec/19
Hey Rob if after almost 4 hours out of bed I'm 175.4cm what would be a good claim to make?
Editor Rob
Claim 5ft 9 or 175, that's personally what I'd do.
AndrewV said on 18/Dec/19
@Christian 6'5 3/8"
Black men have consistently been shorter than white men by 1cm in every anthropometric study conducted by the military and the CDC. That being said, the distribution (standard deviation) is greater for black men ie the 95th and 5th percentiles are slightly taller/shorter for black men than for white men. This is likely due to Black Americans being among the most genetically diverse populations on earth, with ancestry from multiple regions in West-Central Africa along with significant European and Native American admixture over the centuries (the average African-American is 20%-25% European).

SE Asian Americans are definitely shorter than their NE Asian counterparts, my Thai and Cambodian friends are noticeably shorter than the Chinese and Koreans I've known. As an example, Thai youth in Bangkok have peaked at a height of 170cm-171cm (from Thai medical data, I can provide and translate it if you want) since the early 2000s. Urban Thais have a standard of living comparable to developed East Asian and Western countries, they're just genetically shorter on average. You will see the same trend with Malaysians, who've also peaked at 5'6"-5'7". All in all, based on my own experience, the average young Asian-American comes up just under or at my eye level (172cm), which is also corroborates with the CDC's data.

That's not entirely true, the vast majority of White Americans have ancestry to varying degrees from the British Isles, with some admixture from other Western and Central European countries. The areas will you will find significant Polish, Italian, Jewish, etc. ancestry are in urban areas like NYC or LA, the Southern whites are largely of British descent while Midwesterners are a generally broad mix of British, German, and Scandinavian.

Regarding South Koreans, I never discounted the role nutrition, only that such gaps in nutrition(at least in regards to growth hormones) aren't as pronounced in developed western countries. Also, South Koreans are no longer growing taller after peaking at 5'8"-5'9" in the early 2000s.
Greg said on 18/Dec/19
@Rob oh well I only vote once per 24 hours on a given celebrity as far as I remember. Not sure if something happened with my phone that triggered that automatic block from voting/posting. Because I did notice that it wasn’t saving my information despite not clearing my browser but then after a while it started working again so who knows 🤷🏻‍♂️ No big deal I was just curious as I never had that happen before. I remember at one point it wasn’t letting me access the site all together.
Editor Rob
Just be careful of repeated submissions, because if you submit too many on the one celeb and reach a limit (say 30 attempts), it can be the cause.
AndrewV said on 18/Dec/19
@Nik Ashton

Not a tall area, but an average one for the US. Young white and black guys are around 5'10" while young Asian and Hispanic guys are slightly under 5'8". Older people from each for those demographics average about an inch or half inch shorter than their younger counterparts.
edboy said on 18/Dec/19
@mrfunnyguy They still don't believe you.
John124 said on 17/Dec/19
If you are 183cm in South Asia/Southeast Asia it's the equivalent of between 6'2 and 6'4.5 in Europe as far as frequency of occurrence in the native population. 183cm/184cm is the most balanced height there is in Europe, but anything over that would start to be excessive in many parts of the world. When I was in Thailand training In Muay Thai I came to the conclusion that 183cm - 184cm was a golden height for that martial art. The balance of a relatively low centre of gravity at heights of 183cm/184cm or less, and the proportionally long reach of limbs at heights of between 181 - 184cm is magnificent. If you have proportionally shorter limbs being 185cm+ is better. Flat broad feet also help with balance relative to height. I personally have UK size 12 feet that are broad and flat and it helps with my balance. A friend of mine is slightly shorter and has the same size feet, another is taller and has smaller feet, so there is no single best height in Muay Thai.

People like 5'4 range Suphachai Saenpong (Saenchai) show that height means nothing in Muay Thai.

Here is the Youtube video:

Click Here

And 5'8 range Sombat Banchamek (Buakaw Banchamek) is a formidable force:

Click Here
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 17/Dec/19
Black men aren't 1cm shorter than white men. It's virtually the same, maybe a 1/4" difference at most.
Nik Ashton said on 17/Dec/19
@ Mark O’ Connor - I agree with everything you said, 6’1” ain’t far off “very tall” territory for mine!
Nik Ashton said on 17/Dec/19
@ AndrewV - You must live in a tall area!
Nik Ashton said on 17/Dec/19
@ Christian 6’5 3/8” - Thanks!
Nik Ashton said on 17/Dec/19
@ Bobby 5ft 10in (178 cm) - I agree with everything you said to Cedric on 14/Dec/19!
Nik Ashton said on 17/Dec/19
@ pov - Therefore being 2.5” below average does not make you short!
John124 said on 17/Dec/19

I have lived in eight different regions of England over the years and I can tell you that the average height here varies from place to place. I'm not saying your observations in America aren't correct, but in England the average height is anywhere from 5'8.75 - 5'10.5 depending on where you are and the distribution of wealth.

The genetic makeup of Americans and British is not identical, although similar enough. An average 'white' American is essentially a combination of German and Polish with a lesser amount of British and Irish. Although this will vary substantially from person to person and region to region in the US corresponding to the settlement of that area. For example Minnesota has a greater number of people that possess Scandinavian heritage compared to other parts of America.

Northwestern Europeans; that is to say people from France, Germany, England, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, have very similar genetics. So why are the British a few inches shorter on average than the Dutch?

The Dutch used to be the shortest in Europe, they are now the tallest. This is because they, along with the Germans and Scandinavians have some of the highest rates of breastfeeding in Europe. They also importantly have a lot of protein and calcium in their diets from their high consumption of dairy products.
Dutch people exercise a lot in the form of cycling which is very efficient at stimulating the growth plates at the end of the long bones in the legs; primarily the tibiae, femora, and fibulae and to a lesser extent the humeri, ulnae, and radii, in the arms. Dutch and Danish people cycle more than pretty much any nation on earth.
The disparity between rich and poor is also not as pronounced in Holland compared to the UK. This ties in with diet, education, and the fact that breastfeeding rates are much lower in Britain compared to The Netherlands.

Here is the basic formula:
Genetics + Nutrition - Stressors = Final Height. Stressors would be things like childhood disease. This impacts the ultimate height of a person quite substantially, however, if the stressors are relatively mild (for example a bout of chickenpox) this will likely have a negligible impact even if it occurs during a critical growth phase, because the duration of illness lasts only a few weeks and there is often catch up growth when conditions improve.

To illustrate my point further, the South Koreans are substantially taller than North Koreans yet they are the same people. Just like the Dutch in the past, South Koreans now are getting taller on average. With better healthcare and nutrition, the health and therefore the average height of population as a whole is greater.

These factors I've mentioned have caused the average height of these populations to skyrocket over the course of the past 100 years, although the average height of the Dutch looks like it is now in a state of stagnation. Genetics is the main factor when determining the final height of an individual, but genetics is far less significant than the overall health of a population when determining the average height of that population.

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