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cmillz said on 29/Nov/19
For me, I’d say about 20% of guys I see are 6’0+
cmillz said on 29/Nov/19
@Greg
64th and 71st percentile heights are very, VERY common. Not sure what you’re on about
James B 172cm said on 29/Nov/19
for young white males in the UK/US 5ft10 is dead on average.

For the older generation though its above average since the average for previous generations was 5ft9. so therefore in the past 5ft10 was considered too be tallish in the UK and America.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 29/Nov/19
@TheBat

It's interesting that you say that, as I am 5'10 myself, and even I feel above average where I live, which is Toronto, Canada. I would say the average on the street here overall, as Toronto is superlatively diverse, is 5'8.5. On-campus, the average gets pushed to 5'9, but I still above average overall, and lately, I've taken to adding a 2.7cm lift in my 3cm boots, which gives me a grand total of 5.7cm, and elevates me close to 185cm in the morning, and I went from feeling above-average to moderately tall. So, I'd say 180cm+ is the start of tall, at least where I live.

Additionally, AndrewV and Person111 have been citing the average height for Caucasian Millennials, and say it's 5'10. I honestly don't think that figure is even true in North America, but certainly, in Europe, it would be. I just see too many white guys below 5'10 to even buy into that statistic, and when I say below 5'10, I don't mean like 5'9.5-5'9.75, as that is 5'10 range and I wouldn't bat an eye if someone rounded up, but 5'9 or less is what I mean.

Ultimately, everyone has different ideas about what is average height, but I go by a multiethnic average height since we are more diverse today han we ever have been in the past. It's just relevant to consider your height in relation to others, it's only fair, after all.
mrfunnyguy said on 29/Nov/19
@Rampage(-_-_-)Clover You are wrong
Progking said on 29/Nov/19
@AndrewV, Greg in Toronto you would feel a bit tall yes with the mixed population, I was there recently and felt tall. Personally where I live in Ontario in a predominantly white town, I just feel tallish at 6'0(6'1.5 in shoes if I'm wearing my bigger ones) but sometimes legit tall depending on who is around. Some days there just happens to be a big group of 6'3-6'4 white guys in a store and then I don't feel tall. I feel like 6'0.5 is the exact start of tall when you consider both the 5'9 and 5'10 averages, but if you make it to 6'0 you are good enough to be considered tall by many.
Samos_ said on 29/Nov/19
Hey everyone, just want to give my opinion on height. I am pretty much 6'1. I am not 183cm, nor am I 184cm, so I am way over 6 foot but I am not quite 6'1 (give or take a couple mms) I am 185.2 at night, sometimes I have measured 6'1 flat at night on really relaxed days or a mm or two over. I feel tall literally everywhere I go (I live in London). I don't feel giant haha, just regularly tall, I am pretty much always the tallest in a queue, or one of the tallest. My extreme low is when I go to the gym and do deadlifts, shoulder pressing, all of which can effect the back and I can measure 184.9cm. Everyone keeps telling me I must be 6'2 or 6'3, I always say "no I am like 6'1". But they insist I am 6'2 or 6'3 looool. I am probably the most strongest 6 foot guy ever.
Vitto said on 29/Nov/19
If anyone is interested, I found the percentiles for American men and women aged 20-29. I inserted my height in the link below but you can insert yours if you go back on the website. That said, I am not interested in arguing about the average height and I am not interested if you think that 5'11 is tall or short. I just thought that the site could be useful to someone. If you want to see the percentiles, you have to scroll down. Here we go
Click Here
Toer said on 29/Nov/19
@POV No offence mate but I’d bet you’re not even 6 and a half. You think you are but you’re not lol. Use a stadiometer and you would probably measure slightly under 6 foot, like 182.4 or something. Which is tallish/above average. How do you measure your height?
Person111 said on 29/Nov/19
@AndrewV - There’s nothing you can do to convince Greg and Bobby. Continuing to cite the statistics won’t convince them because they believe their own experiences over the data.
Glitch said on 28/Nov/19
@AndrewV

How old are you? Are you still growing? If not, when did you stop growing?
TheBat said on 28/Nov/19
At 5'10.25"-5'10.5" I feel taller than a lot of people. Out in the city I live it's 5'9.25"-5'9.5" on average as a whole from what I can tell and in the college I go to it looks 5'9.75" on average normally. Though I see a lot more younger people than older that range from 5'10"-5'11", but I still feel above average overall. And I have also been to Pennsylvania and it's close to what Greg has been saying. From I have experienced Pennsylvania is lower in average height than South Carolina which is where I currently live.
Genko108 said on 28/Nov/19
I gotta say as someone who's Australian and 5'10.5" most of the day there's no way in hell I'd call myself tallish or even that much above average in the US. I'm doing a study abroad program this semester at an American uni and I'm solidly average. White guys in the US are very similar in height to young guys in Australia, about a solid 5'10" on average which would make sense since we're both nationalities of mainly British and Germanic descent. Even when out and about in a more diverse area with more ethnic and elderly people, I feel just slightly above average but not enough to be seen as above average or "tallish" IMO. To me a guy isn't really above average or "tallish" until they're 5'11" and tall starts at 6'0.25-6'0.5".

This is just my two cents though, I don't mean to dismiss the experiences of other posters, but the 5'10" average for whites here seems on the money. I can buy a flat 5'9" if you include older gentlemen and guys from shorter ethnic groups. As @Greg mentioned, I'm not really a fan of anthropometric studies since they can be self-reported, measured in shoes, etc. but the CDC figures that Person111 and AndrewV cite seem fair based on my observations.
AndrewV said on 28/Nov/19
Who's more correct on this matter: A couple of random posters on celebheights or public health organizations and military databases that actually compile measured, barefoot heights to assess nutrition and create standard anthropometry for clothing and infrastructure?

Who knows?! It's a mystery!
Poster said on 28/Nov/19
People should read Andrew V's and Person 111's messages if they wish to learn accurate and realistic facts on height averages and distributions among various populations in the United States. They also express themselves very well on a message board in which some people contradict themselves in a single sentence. I believe that they're correct in that young white men average 5'10 and young white women average 5'5.
cmillz said on 28/Nov/19
Some parts of the US are taller though. In some isolated regions of the Midwest, I’m sure the average for men could be 5’10-5’11 range. In a state like California though, a 5’9 (or maybe even 5’8 range) average is much more likely.
Greg said on 28/Nov/19
@AndrewV most guys you’ve met are 5’9-5’11? Maybe if you lived in the Netherlands or like Czech Republic/Bosnia I would believe you but in America that’s nonsense unless you’re living in a tall area or just happen to be meeting taller people. Average White males are 5’9ish. So 5’10 is 64th percentile and 5’11 is 71st percentile, that’s not common. You’re being extremely bias, I can say that most guys I’ve met are much shorter or taller than that does that represent the norm? Absolutely not.
Greg said on 28/Nov/19
@AndrewV how is it fair that if you’re being biased against the average being under 5’10 for Americans white males yet when I’m telling you also based on statistics and percentiles that 5’10 is above average. A flat 5’10 wouldn’t be seen as tallish, however once you get near the 70th percentile like 66-70th percentile that’s most certainty tallish because you would be taller than every 7/10 guys and only 3 would be taller than you. You don’t see that as tallish? That’s ludacris, most people apart from you guest66 and person would agree with me. I didn’t say that you’re going to be legit tall but you would be on the border of above average and tall hence (tallish) you don’t have to be 6’1-6’2 to be tallish. Plus since we are going by this ‘double standard’ that 5’10 and 5’11 is within the average range than 6’0 can’t be tall since it would supposedly be 2 inches within the average and 6’1 wouldn’t be that tall, would you describe it as tallish then? LOL I’m done debating with y’all its like a broken record I know where I am coming from and I know I’m right based on statistics just like you keep quoting but you can believe whatever you want and I will believe what I want to..
cmillz said on 28/Nov/19
@Person111
Problem is most people don’t really know what a legit 5’7 looks like, so that’s why they consider 5’7 short, because 5’5-5’6 guys often claim 5’7 or even 5’8.

Can’t see the average being any higher than 5’9 range, even if you’re only including whites. The absolute MAXIMUM average height I can buy for whites is 5’9.5”
AndrewV said on 28/Nov/19
@Greg
Again, no one disagrees with the 5’9” general average. Your stats are correct, 5’10” is indeed 60th-65th percentile in the GENERAL population. Person111 and I are specifically talking about white male adults under 40, where 5’10” is 50th percentile. You’ve also contradicted yourself, you cite the stats for the general population yet you dismiss the measured average for white men even though both figures come from the exact same source.
AndrewV said on 28/Nov/19
“statistics with little to no credibility”

What is so disreputable about the CDC? The CDC has conducted anthropometric studies like this for decades and have consistently found a 5’10” average for young whites since the 70s and 80s. Measured data from the US military and academia also show this too. In fact, measured data from healthcare providers and public agencies in other western countries with similar ethnic origins to White Americans such as the UK, Australia, etc. also show 5’10” averages for young lads. 5’9” is the national average when you include all age groups and ethnicities. It just sounds like you’re dismissing anything that contradicts your own biases at this point. Can you explain to me why you think the CDC data lacks credibility? Again, they specifically and explicitly explain that they used measured, barefoot data rounded to the nearest 0.1cm (not the nearest whole number as you claimed.

You’re trying to claim that young, white American men average the same as South Koreans, which just isn’t true. I’ve been to South Korea and the young men are noticeably shorter than white guys in the States. I’m sorry, but I can’t take a 5’8”-5’9” for white Americans seriously when it goes against all the evidence at hand and my own experiences. Since you mentioned you live in a diverse area, then the 5’9” general average may very well be relevant to you. Person111 and I have only pointed out that the average is 5’10” for white men ages 20-40 specifically, which is the demographic I’m mostly around. Again, Rob agrees that young Brit are around 5’10” on average and finds the statistics from the NHS to be reliable.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 28/Nov/19
@John142
I pretty much agree with your ranking chart, except I would swap Rank 1 and Rank 2. 183-4 may be more physically aesthetic than 185-6, but there are more benefits of being the latter that outweighs the slight decrease in aesthetics IMO.

@Viper
My experiences are the opposite though. I often slightly overguess guys who're much taller than me. I once guessed a 6'9"-ish guy to be 6'10", and a guy who I initially thought to be 7 feet tall, turned out to be 6'11.5"
Sakz said on 28/Nov/19
@Greg That proves my point aswell. It's always interesting to hear how tall someone much shorter than you is going to guess you at.

@John142 Depending on your body type you can look lanky at 6'0 or even 5'11. I certainly did when I was near 6'0 but I was really thin. It depends on your proportions and how long your limbs are.
ajax509 said on 28/Nov/19
As of military, there are height restrictions on both ends. Being too tall is worse.
pov said on 28/Nov/19
So I was in a room yesterday with about 30 young people. Age range was from between 1994-1998. I counted 19 were men, 8 of them were taller than me, and I was taller than 11 of them. I’m 6”0.5. Meaning there were 9 people over 6 foot in the room, including me! I am most definitely not tall. By that stat it just confirms my point that it a little above average that’s all. They say 6 foot is “tall” and I want to believe it, but my everyday experiences tell me it isn’t.
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 28/Nov/19
Really don’t think 186cm is average anywhere in the world.
AndrewV said on 28/Nov/19
@Guest66

Agreed, one would be hard pressed to call 5'10" tallish or noticeably above average in a western country. It's literally dead average for white guys and only 64th percentile when you factor in the entire male population. It's mindboggling how some posters here can claim that 5'10" and 5'11" aren't common heights while living in North America. Even in a diverse city where the 5'9" national average would be reflected, 5'10" men are still a dime a dozen. Even among shorter minority groups like Asians and Hispanics, 20% of young guys are 5'10" or taller (CDC stats also corroborate with this). When I was 179cm at 15 I felt almost completely average around white adults and only tallish or weak tall around my Asian friends and family. Nobody outside of my Asian/Hispanic peer group regarded me as notably above average, much less tall, until I was a weak six foot at 17.

The height distribution for white men that Greg is describing sounds like a stat out of Brazil or Korea. White American men averaging 5'8"-5'9" is almost impossible, most white guys I meet are 5'9"-5'11".
Greg said on 28/Nov/19
@Sakz yeah it basically boils down to two different sides on celeb heights the side that believes the average is 5’10 for males be it white young men or not or the side that’s more rational and understands its that mark. The average is the median of a range of numbers, so theoretically if something is average it should be right in the middle but if you literally are walking around and observing different areas it will give you a rough idea that it’s under 5’10, statistics or not because there’s a lot statistics that say 5’10 is 60th range percentiles are those made up too? People don’t look at it unless from a bias standpoint and everything is so one sided makes me not even want to bother with it anymore. And yeah I would hate to be a giant, one day would be like okay for the attention but after a while it would be really annoying. Outside of pro sports or maybe being a bouncer/security Guard I can’t imagine why somebody would want to standout even the attention would start to get annoying.
Greg said on 28/Nov/19
@Guest66 no unless you’re living in Europe you will definitely feel tallish at 5’10-5’11 in America. I go to a community college it’s very diverse white men don’t even come that close to 5’10, 5’8-5’9 maybe, in fact I see more shorter than me than taller which makes sense how could someone not feel tallish being 70th percentile? That’s like me saying yeah you can put out fires without graduating from the fire fighters academy or you can perform CPR without being certified like do you hear yourself right now?
Greg said on 28/Nov/19
@AndrewV I will say they are trolls when they actually are not just because I don’t agree, she’s like a broken record and it’s not even reality. You’re quoting some statistics with little to no credibility behind it, Bobby has a good point and so do I. Don’t always trust what you read on the internet.
AndrewV said on 28/Nov/19
@Bobby
Correct, 6’0” flat is just tallish around young whites but legit tall in the general population.

Since you do live in a diverse area, then the 5’9” general average would indeed be the most relevant for you. The reason why I bring up the white male average is because that’s the demographic I’m around at my college. Thus, a 5’10” average is what is most relevant to me at the moment. Considering that most White Americans outside of the largest cities live in segregated suburban areas, the average height of their peer groups would also be closer to 5’10”. Also, no one’s saying that EVERY white guy is going to reach 5’10”, that’s not how averages work. 5’10” is just the mean and most common height for North American whites, there will be plenty of men taller or shorter than that. It’s perfectly normal that your brother ended up at 5’8”, he just happens to be of below average height.

If I was in LA, I’d go by the 5’9 average or even as low as 5’8” in some cases. On my southern college campus, the average isn’t any lower than 5’10” for men and 5’5” for women.
Person111 said on 28/Nov/19
@AndrewV, 6’0+ and 5’7+ women are about 15% of people in my area, which lines up fairly accurately with the stats. The percentages are even higher among millenials.

@Bobby - I live in a diverse area as well (50% of people are minorities) and I still see moderately tall or tall people much more commonly than you. Plenty of minorities are average height. I live on a busy street, and it only takes under 1 minute after leaving my house to see 5’8+ women or 6’0+ men. You don’t commonly see these heights, but you should. More than 10% of the population are those heights - even in diverse cities. The fact that these heights are uncommon to you makes your opinion on average height non-credible.

I’m not singling out a demographic and declaring 5’10 is average. I already know the general average is below 5’10. I was specifically speaking about 5’10 being the average for white men in North America, which you still disagree and insist is shorter than that.

2 inches can be the difference between average and moderately tall. People generally agree 6’0 is moderately tall, not very tall. If the average height truly is 5'8-5'9, then 5’7 wouldn’t be short, but it indisputably is. So yes my point still stands, 5’10 is average and 6’0 is moderately tall. The same way 5’5 is average for women and 5’7 is moderately tall. 2 inches may not sound like much, but it actually takes a lot to increase your height by 2 inches. A 5’10 guy would need to wear 3-inch high heels to get to 6’0.
Canson said on 28/Nov/19
@Viper: very possible he was only 6’10 afternoon height and that he claimed 6’11. There are People that I see do a lot of rounding
Luca said on 28/Nov/19
Sorry Rob, but I didn't understand your reply to my last comment... How can a height measured after 19 hours be just a common low? How tall are you after such an amount of time?
Editor Rob
It may not be an extreme (dehydrated) low.
184 said on 27/Nov/19
Netherlands

Under 165 extremely short
165 - 171 very short
174 - 171 short
176 - 174 below average/shortish
176 - 180 below average
180 - 186 average
186 - 190 above average
190 - 192 above average/tallish
192 - 195 tall
195 - 201 very tall
201 + extremely tall
Height 184cm said on 27/Nov/19
Using my ratings I reckon you could apply it to different places to work out what’s considered tall there, for example in the USA If 177cm is average then

Under 159 extremely short
159 - 165 very short
165 - 168 short
168 - 170cm below average/shortish
170 - 174cm below average
174 - 180 average
180 - 184 above average
184 - 186 above average/tallish
186 - 189 tall
189 - 195 very tall
195+ extremely tall

From this I’d say 170cm is where you can start to be considered short and 167cm is where you are considered short by the majority of people, and 184cm is where you can start to be considered tall and 187cm is the start of where you’d be considered tall by most people
Height 184cm said on 27/Nov/19
0 - 3cm = appear the same height/similar height

hard to tell whose taller
would need to be measured to see
Shoes can have an impact
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3 - 5cm = slightly noticeable/noticeable at times

footwear can make the heights appear the same, but can usually tell they are slightly taller if footwear is similar or you see the two people together a lot (with various footwear on etc)
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5 - 7cm = “noticeably taller”

can see that they are a little taller than the other person, no measuring needed, only extreme difference in footwear can make them appear the “same or similar height”
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7cm - 9cm = clearly taller

Clearly taller, but still may use language like their a “little” or a “bit” taller
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9cm - 12cm = fair bit taller

are a fair bit taller, don’t tower over the other person but appear a reasonable amount taller, would stop saying their a little taller, would just say they are taller
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12cm - 18cm = A lot taller

They look a lot taller, the other person looks short next to them, however, probably still wouldn’t go as far as to say that they dwarf the other person
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18cm + = Giant/dwarfs the other person

They look giant/extremely tall next to the other person, the other person looks extremely small/tiny

What do you guys think?
John142 said on 27/Nov/19
6'0 is the best height to be as a person travelling the world. People over 6'1 can have a bit of lamp post-type vibe about them.

A 6'1 person has a slightly stretched look and in my opinion a person's head starts to become a bit too big at 6'1+
Aesthetically 6'1 is not perfect, but very close. 6'1 is the very starting point of what could be considered a stand out height, especially if you've been sitting down for a bit and get up at 6'1.5. That same person would be 6'2 out of bed, and 6'2 can certainly be lanky. Therefore that 6'1-6'2 range can be lanky.
I would say 183cm/184cm (185cm/186cm out of bed) is the best looking and most convenient height to be.


Rank 1: 183cm - 184cm (Out of bed 185cm/186cm)

Rank 2: 185cm - 186cm (Out of bed 187cm/188cm)

Rank 3: 187cm - 188cm (Out of bed 189cm/190cm)

Rank 4: 191cm - 193cm (Out of bed 193cm/195cm)

Rank 5: 180cm - 182cm (Out of bed 182cm/184cm)

Rank 6: 194cm - 196cm (Out of bed 196cm/198cm)

Rank 7: 178cm - 180cm (Out of bed 180cm/182cm)

Rank 8: 176cm - 178cm (Out of bed 178cm/180cm)

Rank 9: 199cm - 201cm (Out of bed 201cm - 203cm)

Rank 10: 173cm - 175cm (Out of bed 175cm/177cm)

The rankings are on the basis that it's better to be slightly too tall rather than too short. Most guys don't want to be less than 6'0.
A substantial proportion of women like guys up to 6'4 and even 6'6.
194cm - 198cm is essentially in the same category of impracticality as 6'7+ except that some women won't find it excessive the way most would 6'7+
QM6'1QM said on 27/Nov/19
Johan 185 cm said on 25/Nov/19

Yep, 6'1 is a big height. Even my 6'4+ bro, calls me 6'2 and most majority of people - 6'3. Fun but true :).
Greg said on 26/Nov/19
@Sakz @Johan 185 cm I have been described as over 6’0 and at 6’2 by a girl who was like 4’9-4’10.
AndrewV said on 26/Nov/19
@Bobby

I'm sorry, but if you rarely encounter a 5'11" guys, especially white guys, then you either live in an exceptionally short area for Canada or a Latin American country, I don't know what to tell you. Even going by the 5'9" general average, 5'11" is still 75th percentile; one in four guys you come across should be around 5'11" or taller.

@Greg
No need to dismiss people as trolls because they disagree with you. Person111 and I cited both actual anthropometric data and our own anecdotal experiences when we say that the average white male is 5'10". We're not denying the 5'9" national average, only that is is drawn from measurements of all age groups and backgrounds.

So far, you and Bobby claimed that the average young white guy is around 5'8"-5'9" which would make them equivalent in height to young South Koreans and Turks, which is impossible. When confronted with actual anthropometric data, you dismiss them as being self-reported, rounded up, and/or measured in shoes even though the CDC's methodology page specifies that heights were taken with barefoot measurements and rounded to the nearest 0.1cm. Mind you, the CDC has absolutely no reason to lie about their actual methodology as anthropometric data like this is vital in assessing nutritional health, building infrastructure, and determining the standard dimensions of clothing; it would only benefit them to collect accurate information.
viper said on 26/Nov/19
It can be easy to guess somebody shorter that's way taller than you.

I guessed a waiter at a restaurant once at 6-10. He admitted he was 6-11.

People who worked with him called him
7-0
Canson said on 26/Nov/19
cmillzz said on 23/Nov/19
@Christian
If you could, would you shrink down to 6’3 though, rather than stay at your current height?

@Cmillz: If I were Christian’s height myself I would rather take 6’3”. If 6’3 vs my current height, I’d stay my current height.
AndrewV said on 26/Nov/19
Nearly 40% of white guys in the US reach 180cm+, it's not an uncommon height by any means.
Myself said on 26/Nov/19
@Big Ben
Hah, cool boots, I wouldn't mind getting a pair of those, but i think that if I wore them, people would start asking me again wether I've grown or not, and I also wouldn't want to get used to footwear thicker than 3-3.5cm.
Emil said on 26/Nov/19
@Johan 185 cm

Haha that's so bizarre. However, I think really tall guys (190 cm and above) as well as really tall girls (178 cm and above) are more realistic. They generally have a more accurate perception of height, and they are aware of what's legit tall or not.
Bobby 5'10 (1.78m) said on 26/Nov/19
@Person111

As I said, Toronto is not a Eurocentric populace. 😂 If you're a minimum of 5'11 here, you'd be seen as being quite tall. Obviously, not very tall, but moderately tall. I don't live in a short area, I live in a diverse area. Like it or not, minorities average under 5'10. Now if I was living in Berlin, Germany, I'd feel average height, but North America in general, is extremely diverse. You can't just sample out a demographic to say 5'10 is average height, that's called a selective bias, especially considering that those of European background aren't the only ones living in North America, let alone in Canada. 😂 Rob lives in the U.K though, specifically Scotland, don't you think the average height would be different in Scotland versus Canada? It's not absurd 😆 You're just not willing to admit that it's possible. Like I wound up 5'10, but my brother wound up 5'8, but based on your rationale, he should be 5'10 as a White Millennial guy, but that's not strictly true.

Okay, but then 6'0 can't be considered tall because it's not far enough away from 5'10 to be classified as tall, but ask anyone you know and they'll all agree that 6'0 is tall. There's a give and take, either you agree that 5'10 is above average which makes 6'0 tall, or you continue persisting that 5'10 is average which makes 6'0 tallish at most.
Bobby 5'10 (1.78m) said on 26/Nov/19
@Nik Ashton

That's quite unlikely. There was a height requirement for the army. You had to be a minimum of 1.73m tall to join. Of course those were the U.S requirements. The British Army seemed to have different requirements but I can't imagine a 5'3 male being intimidating unless he had a gun in his hands.
Luca said on 26/Nov/19
Rob, if someone measures 185.2-185.3 cm after 19-20 hours spent without resting on the bed, has he reached his extreme low? Otherwise how much can he still shrink?
Editor Rob
It sounds like a common low range...there are always extreme lows, or dehydration that could bring anybody down a couple more mm, but that is rarer. When your body gets badly dehydrated it uses up water content from various areas, including discs...
Sakz said on 26/Nov/19
@Greg I understand where you're coming from. Height is one of those topics where not everyone will agree on one thing. That's what makes it interesting to discuss. As a general rule everyone will have their own opinions and experiences depending on where they live. However if someone passes something off as fact without any evidence or logic behind it then understandably it will be questioned. Wow really? I could probably just put up with being a giant for a day. You would regret being that tall if it became reality.

@Johan 185cm Haha yeah that proves my point about short people not being able to identify the height difference. You will get some crazy guesses because the difference is so big. In my case he only guessed me around 2 inches shorter, although he claimed to be taller than he is. I said I'm nearly a whole head taller than you that's not a 5 inch difference. He's not very height aware though in his defence.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 26/Nov/19
@ Nik - And many well over that height! What he is forever pointing out is that it was the determination that made the soldier - not his height.
c-mo said on 26/Nov/19
@ Christian 6'5 3/8

I often also include west asians such as kurds , turks, georgians , armenians , lebanese , north iranians etc. . because I am west asian myself and we are also caucasians but not european . but since the average height in many european countries is higher than in west asia I also often take only europe into account because I live in europe
Goel175cm said on 25/Nov/19
@ Rob,
Is that true Northern Europeans are taller than Southern Europeans?
Editor Rob
From the stats available it seems that way.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 25/Nov/19
@Nik
Isn't there a minimum height requirement to join the military though? (Maybe it's because the British military so it's different) I know that the US military for men is minimum 5'0".
Guest66 said on 25/Nov/19
I live in Texas and work in the construction field, I see a lot of men on the daily basis, there’s plenty of 5’10” guys there, and encountering a 6’0”+ Mexican is not rare at all, trust me. So being “tallish” at something like 5’10.5” is definitely out of the question, with so many guys being roughly the same height with you or taller. I don’t know what’s wrong with campuses Greg and Bobby go, it just seems like the majority of people are well below the average height there.
cmillz said on 25/Nov/19
I can buy a 5’10 average in some of the affluent suburbs in Chicago
cmillz said on 25/Nov/19
@Equal
I’ve been to Manhattan and the average almost felt like it was 5’8 range tbh. Chicago definitely seems like a taller city to me.
AndrewV said on 25/Nov/19
@Bobby
We're not excluding minorities or suggesting that they don't count as people (I'm a minority too lol), only that young white men average 5'10" which is the most relevant to people on here since their peer groups are largely young and white. Since you mentioned you live in a diverse area, then the 5'9" general average may very well be relevant for your purposes. Foe me though, I'm basing my observations of the average off of white and black guys in my age group since that's the demographic I'm almost always around here. The most common heights for men here are 5'9"-5'11".

@Person111
Dad's 5'9" and mom was 5'7" in her prime, now she's a strong 5'6". Fairly tall for Thai people, especially for their generation. How common are 6'0+ and 5'7"+ white men and women in your area?
Greg said on 25/Nov/19
@Person111 absolutely not, that’s now how it is I’ve seen plenty of 5’8-5’9ish guys claim 5’11,6’0 and 6’1. It’s not about what they think they can get away with because I’ve seen a guy who was no more than 5’5-5’6 claim 5’10, and the other day I was returning a lost wallet to my uber passenger and I noticed on his license he had 6’1 on his license yet when I was face to face with him he couldn’t have been more than 5’9. Goes to show that it’s not about what they think they can get away with but it is their ideal too. I noticed you’re entirely bias and opinionated when it comes to 5’10 being someone’s ideal height because there’s no way right? You definitely know all the 5’8 guys and you have done an extensive interview with them on behalf of Rob Paul’s Holy Stadiometer and they told you that’s theres just no way. You have sinned in the name of height and now you will be charged on Papa Big G Longsleeves behalf. Now that we got that out of the way this is how it goes 5’10-5’11 below average, 6’0 barely average 6’2 average range , 6’4 is tallish 6’7.5is legit tall , 6’9-6’10 is very tall, and 7’5 is giant range this is the and that’s the bottom line because stone cold said so☝️
Lell said on 25/Nov/19
@BsH2005

It depends on when you hit puberty I'll say. If you haven't hit it then you can end up at like 6'3" or something, but if you are an early bloomer you may hit like 5'11". It is really hard to say and only time will tell, but a rough guess is around 6 feet.
Sean william Winter said on 25/Nov/19
ajax so your 5,9.5 hardly any difference between us.
Johan 185 cm said on 25/Nov/19
Sakz said on 24/Nov/19

@Johan 185cm I have a friend who I tower by around 9 inches and he actually guessed me shorter than I am. Sometimes it can just appear as a number, though when someone is that much shorter I don't expect them to be able to gauge the difference accurately.

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Thats actually crazy. I also have a friend who I tower over with 10 inches difference. He casually described me to a friend on discord as being 2 meters tall and built like a tank. haha.
Nik Ashton said on 25/Nov/19
@ Sandy Cowell - Your boyfriend has trained excellent soldiers who are well under 5’9”. 👌

My Grandad fought in the war and he was about 5’3”.
Person111 said on 24/Nov/19
@Greg – 5’10 is the minimum height sought out by males because that’s the highest height they can get away with claiming. A lot of 5’8 guys claim to be 5’10 because that’s more believable than claiming 6’0. They’re not claiming to be 5’10 because that’s their ideal height, they’re only claiming it because that’s the most believable. They would be laughed at if they claimed anything taller. So no, shorter guys claiming 5’10 doesn’t mean they want to be 5’10, it’s because that’s the tallest they can get away with claiming. A 5’7-5’8 guy can never get away with claiming to be 6’0+. If they could pick any height to be, it wouldn’t be 5’10.

@Bobby – the fact that you rarely see 5’11 guys is proof you live in a short area. In a first world country like Canada, that shouldn’t be a rare height. How can your opinion on average height be accurate when you rarely see a common height such as 5’11? I live in a city with 50% minorities and 5’11 guys still aren’t rare.

No one is disputing the general average height. We’re not talking about the overall average height, we’re specifically talking about whites, not because minorities don’t count, but because most people here are white and the white average is the most relevant to them.

People here are asserting that whites average under 5’10, which is absurd. Rob agrees the young generation average is closer to 5’10 than 5’9. Click Here

5’10 is still an average height once you include all demographics. It’s not far enough away from the average to be considered above average. Average is a range, not one specific height. 5’10 is neither short, not tall, which is the definition of average height. Having an IQ of 105 doesn’t make someone above average intelligence. It’s still an average IQ.
Equal said on 24/Nov/19
My ideal height would probably be 5’10. I’m 5’7.5” and walking around downtown Manhattan not too long ago, I definitely felt short. Guys towers over and even some of the women were noticeably taller than I was. If we’re being realistic, however, I’d want to strive for 5’8.5”. It can pass for both 5’9” and 5’10” (to some extent). (19, btw).
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 24/Nov/19
@Cmillzz
Yes, I probably would. I don't consider my height to be bad though.

@Bobby
Another poster here that has a Eurocentric view on height is C-mo, no offense to him. He only considers young and middle aged white guys when talking about averages.
Person111 said on 24/Nov/19
@AndrewV - how tall are your parents?
Grayloth said on 24/Nov/19
@Johan 185 cm

So you are saying they didn't use measured heights? Can you prove that because I was certain it was.

I am not as good as some of you guys on this site are at judging other peoples height but it's very noticeable that south europeans are around 5 cms shorter than north europeans. For example, I saw alot of guys in the 165-170 cms zone when I visited Barcelona, which I rarely see here in Sweden.

When I visited Holland though, I felt pretty much the same height as I do here in Sweden but they could have been a little taller I guess. The first time I visited my father and mother tagged along and him being 182 cms tall, I used him as a reference and he looked pretty much average height in Amsterdam. So if swedes are 181 cm it is not impossible that dutch men can be 183 cm.
Greg said on 24/Nov/19
@Sakz that’s why I hate this selective bias on this forum because when someone doesn’t agree with someone’s view instead of considering the possibility they just instantly say “no this can’t be true if I don’t believe this then it must be this way or no way” like half of what you read on this forum has become bullsh. Exactly tall people want to be taller like look at Ellis he’s 6’7 and wants to be 7’5 how normal is that? But then again it’s his life and if he wants standout attention let him.
Greg said on 24/Nov/19
@Bobby well said, it’s best not to feed the troll at this point we can’t take person111 seriously lol for all we know she could be a man, or she could be some 6’3 guy just messing around or 5’3 guy or whatever we never know sometimes who might be behind the keyboard and yes Philadelphia is very diverse wouldn’t have said it was a Short region at all! Actually the heights are all over the place, I seen a 6’3 range guy in a basketball team in line with me last night, the other players where all white too but seemed closer to average or below 5’9, like they weren’t even close to 6’0 I’ll tell you that because I was close to 6’0 with my boots at night maybe like 5’11 7/8ths and I was taller than the majority. I was probably the 2nd tallest person in line (not counting that 6’1 girl who works there)
Greg said on 24/Nov/19
@Bsh2005 5’10.5-6’0, if you don’t grow past 5’10 I’ll be surprised.
Greg said on 24/Nov/19
@AndrewV yeah that’s if you where 5’9, you’re actually above average at 5’10, and at like 5’10.5-5’10.75” you would be at the start of tallish in the U.S UK and several other places excluding Amsterdam.
ajax509 said on 24/Nov/19
Sean william Winter said on 23/Nov/19
ajax why bro morning hieght isnt relevant. person 111 nah most guys want to be 6ft minimum. maybe 5'11 is the minimum. and like 6'1 is perfect for me.ajax i dont even remeber but your like 6ft 1 or something???
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178.9-176.4cm
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 24/Nov/19
@BsH2005

You've nearly caught up to your dad's height, and quite quickly too. I'd say you can expect to hit no less than 5'10 and no more than 6'0, but you never know. I'd say you have a strong chance of 5'11 though.
Sakz said on 24/Nov/19
@Greg That's true. Even in general there are a lot of tall people who want to be taller so it throws the whole idea of an ideal height out the window. It's like a rich person wanting to make more money just to further enhance their reputation. 'More' prevails in these situations.

@Bobby Purely among young white males 5'10 is probably right around average (provided the stats are correct). Include all demographics though and it's above average no doubt.

@Johan 185cm I have a friend who I tower by around 9 inches and he actually guessed me shorter than I am. Sometimes it can just appear as a number, though when someone is that much shorter I don't expect them to be able to gauge the difference accurately.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 24/Nov/19
@ cmillz - I'd actually like to ask my boyfriend if he'd like to trample around in a pair of 6ft3 shoes. I think he'd hit me with the nearest pamphlet! 🖕

He's 5ft9 and it hasn't done him any harm!
daad1234 said on 24/Nov/19
@BsH2005 Theoretically you should have ended up around 5'8.75, but since that formula which predicts height is bull and every guy except me outgrow their dad, I would guess you'll end up around 5'11.
Emil said on 24/Nov/19
@BsH2005

Hard to say really. My guess would somewhere between 5'11-6'1.

I was 5'4 at your age, but I was a bit of a late bloomer as well, and now I'm 6'0
Emil said on 23/Nov/19
@Khaled taban

Your height is absolutely great. There's little likelihood that you'll ever experience spinal complications, you can easily find clothes that fit your body, you can still sit on a plane without feeling cramped up, you're solidly average, and you should just feel great about being who you are, man.
Trust me, it starts being a pain in the ass once you're even over 6'2, since it'll be harder to find befitting clothes, standing up inside the subway is really uncomfortable, there's a higher risk of experiencing spinal complications, sitting on a plane or in the back of a car is backbreaking, and you'll stand out in big crowds constantly.
Be grateful, bro, many tall guys wish they were your height although they wouldn't like to admit it
cmillzz said on 23/Nov/19
@Christian
If you could, would you shrink down to 6’3 though, rather than stay at your current height?
AndrewV said on 23/Nov/19
@ajax509
6'1" sharp in the morning and hover around 184cm at night.

@Person111
Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with just being average. There's definitely an appeal in not wanting to stand out at all. 5'10" would be a nice average height where you'll basically never feel short and be able put on lean mass more easily.

@Totigno
There's no such thing as an objectively good or bad height. 5'9" is in the average range for the US, hardly anyone will remark or comment on your height.
BsH2005 said on 23/Nov/19
Hey, I’m 14yo and 5ft 9.25, my mum is 5ft 2.75 and my dad is 5ft 9.75 - 5ft 10 range, how tall can I expect to grow to?
Sakz said on 23/Nov/19
@AndrewV The point being 'tall' is a subjective term. We live in a world where 5'9 is sometimes described as short after all. I agree with your assessments of the height ranges.

@Emil Inflation has caused people to have a false perception of certain heights. With 6'0 it's more apparent since a lot of average height people claim it.
Sean william Winter said on 23/Nov/19
178 cm eyelevel then your 189.5 cm/. how can you be only 184 cm? daycringoethon.
Sean william Winter said on 23/Nov/19
ajax why bro morning hieght isnt relevant. person 111 nah most guys want to be 6ft minimum. maybe 5'11 is the minimum. and like 6'1 is perfect for me.ajax i dont even remeber but your like 6ft 1 or something???
Greg said on 23/Nov/19
@Person111 see now you’re being bias, all because you think 5’10 is average doesn’t mean that no guy wants to be 5’10, in fact 5’10 is one of the minimum heights sought by males, which is why you see a lot of guys who are 5’7-8 claim to be 5’10, look at Khaled taban he would to be 5’10 it’s a well balanced height. You’re delusional because you think 5’10 is average and 5’6 is too, it’s obviously above average. I guarantee if you take 50 random guys from the UK or US or even some parts of Europe outside of the tall cities and measure them you’ll see most guys fall between 5’8 and 5’9 some will be over and under but no way in hell 5’10 is average. Honestly if somebody has their ideal let them be just because you don’t think something is ideal doesn’t mean someone else won’t. There’s some guys who think 5’5 is ideal, who would you be to tell them otherwise? I agree with AndrewV 5’10 is within ideal range, there’s 6 footers here who want to be taller it has nothing to do with height but with people who think taller is better and wanting more.
Greg said on 23/Nov/19
@Person111 I live in a regular area where the average is 5’9, if I lived somewhere that had a 5’5 male average or close to that it would be considered a short area I didn’t say most of those guys in my area are of said height I was just stating what I observed on campus. That being said there’s many 6 footers too, you wouldn’t know because you don’t live here. I live in a normal average height area not short nor tall.
Johan 185 cm said on 23/Nov/19
Emil said on 22/Nov/19
6'0 is such an unacknowledged height - most of the times when other people have commented on my stature they mention that I'm quite tall. But the moment I tell them that I'm 6'0, they always retreat and say "oh then you aren't that tall after all" lol.
Thing is most people have no idea how tall it really is

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Happens even at 185 cm Emil. I get guessed by guys alot as 188-189cm but women guess me 190 cm and when I correct them they say the same thing. The fact you're towering over them means nothing just some number apparently.
Johan 185 cm said on 23/Nov/19
Grayloth said on 22/Nov/19
Click Here

According to these statistics dutch men average about 182.5 cms and dutch women 168,7 cms. Add 0,3-0,5 cms (it said 0,4 cms in the TNO height-link you posted) to get the average height for ethnic dutch which means 183 cm for ethnic dutch men and 169 cm for ethnic dutch women which to me seems reasonable.

But this height chart also seems a bit off. The french are taller than the swedes for example. I have been to France and they are definetely shorter than scandinavians. And latvian women being the tallest. Sounds a bit off too.

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Alot of self reporting I am afraid. Belgians are pretty tall as well but they are at least an inch shorter than us. According to that chart they are 1 cm shorter. I would have guessed Belgians as 5'10.5"-5'11" max. Here we are 5'11.5"-6".

French men are around 5'8.5"-5'9". I always felt tall there when going for work/holiday. So I doubt they are anywhere near Swedes or finns etc. However I have never been to Northern Europe so I can only accept the word of posters here who live there.

Notice also that Germany is nowhere near the top, and around 5'10.5-5'10.75" overall. I would guess maybe young guys are near that range but general population is not that different from Austria and shorter than Belgians ( my experience).
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 23/Nov/19
@Person111

Right, and a woman who says she's 5'6 but feels totally average height cannot be taken seriously either. Your male equivalent is 5'11. Do you know how rarely I'll see a 5'11 white guy, let alone a 5'11 guy in general? Not often, even on campus. Once again, Greg and I don't live in short areas, we live in DIVERSE cities. Get that through your thick skull. I'm not sure about Philadelphia, but Toronto is one of the most diverse cities in the world, so go ahead, tell me it's a short city. You act like minorities aren't people when they are. You have to include them when you talk about the average height of a city because they live there too. Toronto is not a EUROCENTRIC populace. Understand that. You are being selectively biased.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 23/Nov/19
@Person111

Nah, 5'10 is not average height. That doesn't mean it's tall either. If you stopped judging 5'10 based off Eurocentrism, then you'd understand that being 5'10 as a man doesn't make you just average height, it makes you above average height once you include all demographics.
James B said on 23/Nov/19
Rob like I said in my previous post it’s interesting that my past height measurements seem too vary by a good 1 inch
Editor Rob
It's quite a variation...

To be fair, I don't think there's a job in me travelling the country getting measured by all the Health services and warning them if I don't measure at least 5ft 8 😈 On the spot fines.
ajax509 said on 23/Nov/19
@vAndrew
Pretty tall for an asian American. You're 184cm, like first thing, or?

@Sean william Winter
Solid height, carry it!

@Greg
It was to show how valid your "179-180" claim is.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 23/Nov/19
@AndrewV
6'3" is the highest I'd go for an ideal height too. There are no added benefits of being 6'4"+ over 6'3" IMO.
Person111 said on 23/Nov/19
@AndrewV - 5'10 is too annoyingly average to be in the ideal range. Pretty much every 5'10 dude wants to be taller. It's not a height most guys aspire to.
Daycringeothon said on 22/Nov/19
My eye level is 176cm-177cm morning and 174.5cm-175cm at night . My head is small at only 8.875”-9.1”long. I have about a 31.5”-32” in seam “short legs” for my height.
Daycringeothon said on 22/Nov/19
Confused Guy, 184 by a stadiometer said on 22/Nov/19
It turns out that my eye level is 178 cm at evening, 180 cm at morning. I wear 34-35 inseam pants, my shoe size is US 14/EU 47, my wingspan is 200 cm. I think sometimes stadiometers can be way off, my friend was measured at 197 and 191 cm by different stadiometers, and his brother measured him at 195 with a ruler. I'm 4, maybe 5 cm max shorter than he is.

I agree totally about the hospital measuring device stadiometers . I was measured morning time at 180cm. There may have been a carpet under it. I was measured with measuring tape midday at 181-182cm back against wall flat floor (no carpet). My standing height Is 181cm most of the day. 180.5-181cm right before bed. Yes they can be off by a centimetre or two especially if a carpet is under it at the Doctors office.
Greg said on 22/Nov/19
@Totigno 5’9 is average, truthfully there’s no such thing as a bad or good height. There might be some preferences or ideals but that doesn’t mean that there’s a particularly good or bad height.
Person111 said on 22/Nov/19
@AndrewV - Greg says he doesn’t live in a short area, yet he says most white guys he sees are 5’7-5’9 and most white women are 5’2-5’5. What he just described is a short area. It sounds like he’s living in Latin America, not North America. Him and Bobby cannot be taken seriously when they are essentially saying whites in the Anglosphere are essentially similar in height to those in Latin America.
khaled taban said on 22/Nov/19
@Totigno , anything below 5'10" is horrible , believe me .
Grayloth said on 22/Nov/19
Click Here

According to these statistics dutch men average about 182.5 cms and dutch women 168,7 cms. Add 0,3-0,5 cms (it said 0,4 cms in the TNO height-link you posted) to get the average height for ethnic dutch which means 183 cm for ethnic dutch men and 169 cm for ethnic dutch women which to me seems reasonable.

But this height chart also seems a bit off. The french are taller than the swedes for example. I have been to France and they are definetely shorter than scandinavians. And latvian women being the tallest. Sounds a bit off too.
Grayloth said on 22/Nov/19
@Andrew

Yes, it's flawed. Maybe because the sample sizes were very small or taken from a university or something the like. These statistics from 2010-2013 seems a little more stable. Click Here

Like I have commented before, keep in mind that self-reported heights probably are overestimated by at least half a cm and in many cases more. However, you might also add half a cm to the average to get the ethnic dutch heights. So it's pretty safe to say that the average dutch man is around 183 cms tall give or take some millimeters.
Jeff Hey said on 22/Nov/19
@Totigno that is okay height. you dont have lot of benefits, but you wont experience heightism overall
AndrewV said on 22/Nov/19
@Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm)
No one's seriously claiming that 5'9 isn't average or that 6'0" isn't tall. We're only talking about white men averaging 5'10", which still makes 5'9" well within average range even among that particular demographic. Also, I never said I wasn't or didn't feel tall at 6'0.5", only that I often feel just tallish/above average around white men in my age group.

@Greg
I actually have a plethora of evidence that backs up my own experience and the anecdotes of other posters on here. I never said I didn't feel tall, only that there are many instances around young whites where I feel more tallish/above average which makes sense given a 5'10" average. You may very well be above average if you live in a diverse area, in which case the 5'9" general average would be more relevant in your case. Just because you don't notice a third of men being your height or taller doesn't mean it's not true, your anecdotes are also subject to personal bias and would be more helpful if you contextualized them with actual data or statistics. Also, I never said 5'9.5" was shortish, you misread what I wrote. I was making the point that if you consider yourself tallish around white guys at 5'10.5", then by that logic you'd have to consider 5'9.5" as shortish given a 5'10" mean, which is nonsense since both those heights are perfectly in average range.

Again, you're claiming that young White Americans average 5'9", which is really hard to believe since that would mean they'd be the same height as young Northern Chinese and Southern Italians. Nationalities with similar ancestral origins to White Americans like the British, White Australians, Irish, Scottish, etc. also have solid 5'10" averages for young guys, which again also lines up with data from the CDC and the US military. Even Rob agrees that the average young lad in the UK is more 5'10" than 5'9".
James B said on 22/Nov/19
Greg said on 21/Nov/19
@James B what do you mean he looks “really big”? Do you mean really tall? And how tall are you like 5’8? If he’s actually 6’0 you would be looking at his chin or close to there maybe he’s 6’0.75” and wants to round down or something. Or he could be rounding up who knows? It might be a little harder to determine someone’s height if they are many inches taller or shorter than yourself.



Yeah I meant too say he looks ‘really tall’. I was measured on a stadiometer at the doctors a little over a year ago at 172cm so I guess I am a weak 5’8.

Odd though I was once measured back in 2015 (when I was 25) at 5’7.25 on a wall tape measure at the gym. My brother measured me with a measure tape back in 2013 at 170cm. Also I have been measured a few times on one of those laser height measuring machines you find in shopping malls and the machine said my height was 5’6.5 (169cm).


So yeah lol you could say my height measurements seem too be all over the place. But say I was measured incorrectly at the doctors and I am closer too say 5’7 flat it might explain my 6ft looking really tall too me.
Greg said on 22/Nov/19
@Visitor it is low balling I mean I personally don’t care you can claim 175cm with a morning height of 183cm it’s your life not mine so do as you please I’m just saying if you’re like 181-182 evening claim that and not 180 that’s like if I was 5’11.75 and I rounded down to 5’11 I mean I could do it but people will look at you funny that’s probably why that guy was surprised that claimed 170 to you.
Totigno said on 22/Nov/19
AndrewV said on 21/Nov/19
Personally, 5'10"-6'3" is my ideal height range. 6'0"-6'3" is a nice "regular" tall range that offers the societal and physical benefits of tallness while still being within the standard anthropometry of clothing, vehicles, infrastructure, etc. 6'4" is still a great height but I wouldn't want to be any taller than that.

5'10"-5'11" are very solid and comfortable heights where you'll rarely ever feel below average and can put on muscle mass easily, blend into a crowd, etc.

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what about 5'9 is it okay or a bad height?
Confused Guy, 184 by a stadiometer said on 22/Nov/19
It turns out that my eye level is 178 cm at evening, 180 cm at morning. I wear 34-35 inseam pants, my shoe size is US 14/EU 47, my wingspan is 200 cm. I think sometimes stadiometers can be way off, my friend was measured at 197 and 191 cm by different stadiometers, and his brother measured him at 195 with a ruler. I'm 4, maybe 5 cm max shorter than he is.
Emil said on 22/Nov/19
6'0 is such an unacknowledged height - most of the times when other people have commented on my stature they mention that I'm quite tall. But the moment I tell them that I'm 6'0, they always retreat and say "oh then you aren't that tall after all" lol.
Thing is most people have no idea how tall it really is
Sean william Winter said on 22/Nov/19
@ajax509 straight out of bed aftr solid 8 hours sleep i measured 179.8 cm on the stadiometer. after walking around and standing by end day im down to a flat 178 cm somtimes 178.1 or 178.2 cm. sometimes i might go under 178 cm temporary if im standing for hours. or my spine is under strain from lifting. so andrewv your a 184 cm is pefect hieght inmo for a male in the western world id be more than happy to be that hieght maybe you dont feel super tall.but in the uk your decently above average. you wont feel short standing near a 6'2 6'3 men.
Visitor said on 22/Nov/19
@ajax509 @Greg

Exactly, I've been measured over 183 cm in the morning and under 181 late at night. I don't really see saying 180 as "lowballing", it's more like a ballpark figure. Also I could put on a pair of Timberlands and say "I'm 6'1.5". People do that and then get confused over statistics.

If 5'8" is "short" then 6'0" is "tall", you can't pick and choose. If something's average, there's always also the 50% UNDER that average. Some people are talking like the 90th percentile is "upper average", makes no sense.
Luca said on 22/Nov/19
So Rob, if you stand something like 19 hours on your feet, will you certainly reach your extreme lowest?
Editor Rob
That long on feet is extreme, your back will be struggling being upright and on feet so I'd expect a real low measurement...
al001 said on 21/Nov/19
@F97
Well if it's only 1cm from the normal I'm okay with that. I've measured the distance from the top of my head to my pupils and it was exactly 5 inches (I've never measured my exact eyelevel), so I could be off by a little bit though.

I'm almost 100% sure I'm around 184cm from home measurements, plus pictures I have of myself with politicians I met during an internship, and those politicians with people like Obama and Trump whose listings on here are accurate. Also no one's ever doubted it when I just say I'm 6'0 (just to stay on the safe side).
Greg said on 21/Nov/19
@James B what do you mean he looks “really big”? Do you mean really tall? And how tall are you like 5’8? If he’s actually 6’0 you would be looking at his chin or close to there maybe he’s 6’0.75” and wants to round down or something. Or he could be rounding up who knows? It might be a little harder to determine someone’s height if they are many inches taller or shorter than yourself.

@AndrewV no, you guys are both biased and you don’t feel that much taller at 6’0.5 because either A) you’re not said height or B) you’re only paying attention to the people taller than you. You should feel tall at your height in most places unless you’re living in a county with a high average and even there you would be tallish. I’m above average for my demographics and to be fair 70th percentile is like 5’10.6-5’10.75” which is still part of my range so technically I’m not wrong unless we are going by lows or evenings then I’m still above average and tallish. I don’t see every other guy as my height, you’re making a generalization based off some statistics that you read. A 5’9.5 guy isn’t shortish lol that’s a straw man argument they would be a bit above average or at worst average. I’ve been described at tall or kind of tall many times (by guys and girls of all heights)but I never said I consider myself tall just above average and tallish, I don’t see too many guys my height even on campus or out on the street. Does that mean that there aren’t any guys taller? *Hank Hill voice* No but I’ll tell you hwhat, Wednesday on campus I seen many guys under 5’9 majority of them white actually, I seen a few 5’6-5’8 range guys, a few 6’0+ but really most guys where shorter Than me and those that where taller where not taller by much. Only one 6’4 guy walked past me and he’s one of the few that I’ve seen in a while. There was only one other guy who was around my height between 5’10-5’11 the rest where shorter:
Greg said on 21/Nov/19
@Ajax what’s your point lol?
AndrewV said on 21/Nov/19
Personally, 5'10"-6'3" is my ideal height range. 6'0"-6'3" is a nice "regular" tall range that offers the societal and physical benefits of tallness while still being within the standard anthropometry of clothing, vehicles, infrastructure, etc. 6'4" is still a great height but I wouldn't want to be any taller than that.

5'10"-5'11" are very solid and comfortable heights where you'll rarely ever feel below average and can put on muscle mass easily, blend into a crowd, etc.
AndrewV said on 21/Nov/19
@c-mo
I can see this being a good height chart for young guys in Germany or Scandinavia. Didn't you mention young ethnic Germans averaging 181cm?

@Sakz
Someone on the upper average end of height can often feel tallish or even tall at times. Solid/strong 5'11 guys do get described as tall, usually by women and shorter men. That said, they'll be close enough to average to feel average or just above most of the time. 5'11" could would be tall in a diverse place like LA, but that's not really representative of the US as a whole.

@chevy
It's the start of tall in the US. It's legit tall in general (like 85th percentile) but there will be many contexts where it'll be more tallish/above average (75th percentile).

@Mark O' Connor
Yes, it's 90th percentile in the US and UK. Even around young whites, the tallest demographic, it's still a standard deviation above average.

@Grayloth
It's definitely a flawed source, especially since it doesn't seem to indicate whether it's self-reported or measured. The decreases in the averages though could be a result of non-ethnic Dutch being sampled more. Anecdotally though, a solid 6' still does seem to be the mean for young Dutch men based on posters' accounts here.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 21/Nov/19
@Christian

Nah, C-Mo is just mocking the other posters by doing this. He's making fun of their ridiculous claims that 5'9 is barely average height and the 6footers who supposedly don't feel tall. I wouldn't take him too seriously at this point.
ajax509 said on 21/Nov/19
Women's height ranges (cm) and classifications (subjective)
155-159 (2.5/10)
160-164 (5/10)
165-169 (7.5/10)
170-174 (10/10)
175-179 (7.5/10)
180-184 (5/10)
185-189 (2.5/10)
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 20/Nov/19
@6'1guy
The NBA average is nowhere near 6'7". It's 6'6.75" to be exact, but that's only based on listed heights. You subtract shoes, morning measurments, and round ups, and you'll get 6'5"-6'5.5"
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 20/Nov/19
@c-mo
I don't get why 5'9" is included in the "short" category. And why is 5'11"-6'0" barely average? Is your chart based on Dutch men?
Canson said on 20/Nov/19
@Christian: agreed
Luca said on 20/Nov/19
Rob, in addition to That, what's the absolute lowest height you ever measured and in which circumstances did you reach it?
Editor Rob
Normally I can still get 173 flat at a lowest, but on uneven flooring I could well get 5ft 8 flat, I did a test of that in a video years ago to show carpet/uneven floor and normal floor and how it can vary.
James B said on 20/Nov/19
I have a friend who claims 6ft and he looks really big too me unless he’s downplaying his height?
Editor Rob
Some men do claim wrong heights, they haven't been measured for years and grew for example...quite rare though.
khaled taban said on 20/Nov/19
@C-mo , 5'9" is short I agree on this , but how the hell you put 6'0" as average !! And 5'10" is the average/median height . In fact 5'10" is 100% MEDIOCRE
AndrewV said on 20/Nov/19
@Greg
Even going by the 5'9" general male average, 5'10"/178cm would still only be 64th percentile, not 70th. Personally, there's no way I'd feel tallish or even much above average if every 3rd guy I come across, including the elderly and shorter minorities, was my height or taller. Setting that aside, Person111 and I have been specifically talking about white men under 40 who average 178cm, not the entire male population that includes older people and those with non-European backgrounds. Among white men you're only a cm or two above average, so you're just as "tallish" as a 5'9.5" guy is "shortish". In other words, you're pretty average for your age group and demographic, and only slightly above average around the broader male population. If you're on a North American college campus and don't see many guys around 5'10" then you definitely happen to go to a school with an exceptionally low average. Otherwise, there's no way you can feel that tall at 179cm when it's under the 60th percentile for young whites, you might have a selection bias where you notice shorter people more often that those of your height or taller. Not only does your anecdote go against all the evidence and stats, but the anecdotes of many others on here. Trust me, I'm 6'0.5" and I'm BARELY in the tall range on my campus, there are many instances where I feel only tallish or even just slightly above average. The most common height for whites in their 20s is 5'9"-5'11" for men and 5'4"-5'6" for women based on my own experience, which again lines up with all the data. A 178cm-179cm guy in a crowded line at the dining hall or student store would never register as "above average" to people unless he was only around women, it's a completely average and unremarkable height that blends in with the crowd. Seriously, the only way you could feel as tall as you described at 179cm is if you live in Los Angeles or a country like Korea or Argentina.

@Christian 6'5 3/8"
Young Asian and Hispanic Americans average a little over 172cm- just under 5'8". This seems true not only from my experience speaking as an Asian who grew up in LA but is also similar to the average for young Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese who live in developed urban areas with access to good nutrition. Height is largely determined by a certain genetic potential, which varies between different populations. Environmental factors like a decent standard of living with access to nutritional foods plays some role in achieving one's genetic potential; developed East Asian countries like Korea and Japan that have enjoyed good nutrition and living standards for decades stopped growing taller once they hit 172cm-174cm. More anecdotally, there's a very noticeable difference in height distribution between young Asians and whites in the US. When I'm back in LA, I feel like a legit very tall guy around my peers or in a crowd (like 97th percentile) while at my college I'm only around 80th percentile among white guys. I don't see the gap narrowing between whites and Asians considering that East Asians in developed countries with good nutrition have stagnated in growth and that the unhealthy American diet is cited as one of the reasons for stagnant (and sometimes declining) height in Americans. The only Asians with similar heights to White Americans are urban, Northern Chinese and wealthy, high-caste Indians who average 5'9"-5'9.5".


@Bobby 5'10 (1.78m)
I say 5'10" is average because it's literally 50th percentile for young whites and only 64th percentile for the general male population. If you're including older people and shortish minorities, you'd still be just slightly above average with over a 3rd of the male population being your height or taller.
Chris brady said on 20/Nov/19
Click Here

can you guys focus on the girl and guy in the center back row that look close in height? my cousins. the girl claims 6-2 and the guy I don't know his height exactly. basically I am trying to figure out if the girl really is 6-2 or not. she was wearing flats I think and the guy was wearing standard dress shoe. both usually stand with good posture. who seems taller here?
Grayloth said on 20/Nov/19
"AndrewV said on 18/Nov/19
@Johan 185cm
The CBS website you cited also displays a 183-184cm and ~170cm average for young Dutch men and women ages 18-34 years, respectively, since the early 2000s: Click Here"

Yes, but if you notice, the numbers are all over the place. It varies alot depending on what year they are from. How many people do they ask per survey? Because they vary with more than a cm from year to year. Seems a bit unserious to me.
ajax509 said on 20/Nov/19
@Sean william Winter How tall are you first thing in the morning?
ajax509 said on 20/Nov/19
Greg said on 19/Nov/19
@visitor lol you’re 181-182 and claim 180? Just wondering why do you lowball yourself? And because it depends on the demographic where you are living you are about a little taller than me I’m 179-180 and I always feel tallish/above average in the U.S. you would be tallish here too maybe in certain European countries you would feel average. Tall starts at around 183 I would say.
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You would be down to 179.5cm after 45 minutes.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 20/Nov/19
@ Cedric 172cm - At last! Someone has actually sent in a female height chart, and a very good one I might add!

Thaaaaaaannnks, Cedric! 😁👌
Greg said on 20/Nov/19
@chevy 6’0 is 83rd percentile so tall in U.S but I guess a legit tall would be like 6’1+, however 6’0 is still tall in my book.

@Sakz or like Ice saying he wasn’t tall at 6’2.5 something didn’t sound right
Greg said on 20/Nov/19
@Canaon interesting well that was on I-95 so before Downtown philly area it was before this one exit on the side of the highway. I guess it might have been near exit 27 or 28 I don’t recall.
Mark O' Connor said on 20/Nov/19
I am exactly 6 feet 1 at night, is this considered tall also for the young generation?
Luca said on 20/Nov/19
Rob, after how many hours standing up you will surely reach your extreme low?
Editor Rob
You might stand 10-11 hours and be at your very low or near extreme. But you could do some really hard physical work and get to that extreme low within 1-2 hours (like a football match).
Sakz said on 20/Nov/19
@AndrewV It's fair to say 6'0 flat would be more tallish among young white males, if the average is indeed 5'10. 5'11 is considered tallish after all when put it against the overall average of 5'9. However some would still consider it tall despite the difference only being 2 inches. It varies for everyone. I've even heard 5'11 be described as tall.
Sakz said on 20/Nov/19
@Visitor That was also a good example you gave about 100 people in a room and the 6 footers among them. It gives a sense of perspective. It reminds me of when someone here said out of 20 or so people (all young) he was the 4th tallest at 6'0 yet he didn't think he was tall which I found bizzare. Heights which exceed 6'0 become less common meaning the chances of seeing those heights decrease as a result, unless of course you're living somewhere with a high average.
F97 said on 20/Nov/19
@al001 that would be a very low eyelevel for a 6'0" 1/2 inch man. On average a 184cm man should have an eyelevel of 172.5cm so basically a 5'8" eyelevel is common. My eyelevel is 5'7.5 or 171.5cm and I measure 183cm
chevy said on 20/Nov/19
@rob is 6ft barefoot part of the tall range for men in the us?
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 19/Nov/19
@Visitor
Timberlands, as thick as they are, don't quite give you 2 inches though, more like 1.5
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 19/Nov/19
@AndrewV
I don't think that young Asian and Hispanic Americans are 2.5" shorter than young whites. If that was the case, young Asians and Hispanics would be around 5'7". In fact, the gap is narrowing because most young Asians and Hispanics aren't immigrants so they were born and raised in the US, so they grew up on a Western diet.
Canson said on 19/Nov/19
Greg said on 17/Nov/19
Click Here This is proof that a 5’10.5 almost 5’11 guy can look tallish, also shows that 5’10 can’t be average amongst white males. It’s more 5’9. Footage captured from my dash cam shows me standing during a scene of an accident. My passengers and I saw a car flipped over and one of the girls with us was a nurse so she rushed over and we tried to keep the injured people calm and assist in any way we could. However, the guy next to me was about 5’6 range and had a bit thicker dress shoe than my sneakers, the other guy was also 5’5-5’6 all guys next to me where white males. The guy who crashed his car seemed Hispanic and was about 5’10-5’11 close to me in height. The State Troopers on scene where between 5’7-5’8 with an African American one who was between 5’10-6’0 (wasn’t sure his head gear threw me off) there was also another Lieutenant Fire fighter who was Irish and probably like 5’11 range. Otherwise I was taller than most of the guys there, might have been another white guy who was close to my height, but most where shorter.

@Greg: this was taken in downtown Philly area, right? I was down there for a conference the other day. I see the 76ers sign
AndrewV said on 19/Nov/19
@Visitor
Of course you didn't, nor did I interpret anything you said as some sort of personal attack.

As you mentioned, every cm further from average will be less and less frequent, I never denied that. I only made the point that white men, with a higher mean, have a taller distribution of heights. 180cm+ men are indeed only 25% of the general population (175cm mean), but among young white men (178cm mean) nearly 40% reach 180cm+. Going further for that demographic, 6'0" is 75th percentile, followed by 6'1" at the 85th percentile, and so on. Again, this completely lines up with my own personal experience and the evidence at hand. Of course 6'0" isn't average and nor did I claim so, it's the start of tall in countries like the US and UK. I only argued a flat 6' guy would be more tallish than legit tall among young whites specifically, being in the 75th percentile.

Among distinct nationalities and ethnic groups, height absolutely does follow a normal distribution. This may be harder to see in smaller group settings, but if you're in a long line or a large crowd then you can absolutely observe a normal distribution in height. Also, I never talked about the frequency of certain heights so much as cumulative percentiles. I know that 15% percent of guys in a population aren't *exactly* 6ft, only that 15% are 6ft or taller.

The reason I bring up mean height in certain age groups and ethnicities is because most of the people here are white men in their 20s and 30s who largely associate with people of similar backgrounds and ages. In that context, a 5'10" average would be more materially relevant than 5'9" unless you live in a diverse area. Sure, we can go by the 5'9" figure, but the peer groups, schools, etc. of most people on this site will average closer to 5'10".
Sakz said on 19/Nov/19
@Visitor I can relate since that's exactly how my perception used to be and sometimes still is. I'm a few cm's taller than you and I didn't used to feel tall despite everyone referring to me as that. Even now at times my perception isn't always on the mark but generally I can perceive how much taller or shorter someone is than me. Your example of the difference between you and the 171cm guy is about the same as me and a 175cm guy. The difference isn't huge or towering but perception doesn't do it justice either. One important thing to remember is that you obviously can't see the top of your head through your eyes, and there's typically a 4 inch+ difference between the two which is significant.
Bobby 5'10 (1.78m) said on 19/Nov/19
@AndrewV

Not towering or very tall, but at least above average. Like, I feel above average at 5'10 and tallish in the morning especially in my winter boots when I'm 5'11.75 in them. So, I don't understand how you could say that a 5'10 guy is just average height. You're not even much taller than me 😂
Greg said on 19/Nov/19
@AndrewV it is but it isn’t, it was just a screen shot of a clip from my dash cam, however I was just trying to prove a point that the average is not 5’10 at all. Within a deviation or not it’s still above average like 70th percentile or so in the U.S. if I can find a camera man I would film me walking around a busy town center or mall to show a better comparison like how Ben did before. Also yeah at college I feel above average and white people do not average closer to 5’10, I only saw 1 other guy close to my height most where shorter and just a few taller but not that many.
Greg said on 19/Nov/19
@visitor lol you’re 181-182 and claim 180? Just wondering why do you lowball yourself? And because it depends on the demographic where you are living you are about a little taller than me I’m 179-180 and I always feel tallish/above average in the U.S. you would be tallish here too maybe in certain European countries you would feel average. Tall starts at around 183 I would say.
FiveEightJake said on 19/Nov/19
Just to chime in I am about 5’8.5 but I reach my low of 173.6 ish quite quickly if I’m on my feet. I always felt very average in the UK, what I will say is on the rare occasion I wore boots I felt above average, standing at about 5’10.25, and when I wear my 1 inch Nike’s I feel average maybe a tad below. Most people I meet are in that 2inch either side range, only on the internet do I feel short, in person I never do to be honest unless there’s just randomly quite a few tall dudes about. Inflation is ing up people’s perspective of certain heights 5’8 has just become a safe height for shorter dudes to round up to. If you’re over 5’10 you’re 6’ basically.
c-mo said on 19/Nov/19
this is the perfect height chart imo :



5'6 and below = very short

5'7 - 5'9 = short

5'10 = borderline short/average

5'11 - 6'0 = average

6'1 is borderline average / tall . for young men from central and northern europe it is rather high end of average instead of tall .

6'2 - 6'4 = tall

6'5 - 6'7 = very tall

6'8 - 6'10 = huge
Sean william Winter said on 19/Nov/19
@ever since a kid i wanted to be 6ft. i feel decent at 5'10 but if i was 6ft even i fel thos 2 inches would make a bigger difference. it be fully satisfied at a strong 6ft like 183.5 cm. i dont think id want to be taller.6'1 to me is plenty tall. being taller than 6'1 not neccesary since its 90th percnetile. at 5'10 range i feel decent but just not quite big enough at times especially when most guys are within my hieght by 2 inches below or over. and som women i see are close to me in hieght. 5'9 women are not that uncommon. i saw a 5'10 women she was my hieght. and had same footwear. if i was 6ft i would have edged her out and still be taller.
Visitor said on 19/Nov/19
@Confused guy

Timbalands etc. are super bulky shoes similar to military boots. They'll likely raise you up by almost or even over 2 inches.

I'm an inch shorter than you and my eye height is at 170 cm or so. My guess is a measuring error :-)
Visitor said on 19/Nov/19
And just to get away from the statistics a bit, I meant to also say, mostly kind of what Sakz said below quite well. Whether the average is 177 cm or whatever... I, being 181-182 cm, don't FEEL very tall at all most of the time.
However, sometimes I see a reflection in a window, a photo or whatever and THAT makes me realise that oh... actually I'm the tallest person there (including tallest of several other men).
There's a kind of trick or tricks I guess that "work" both ways to distort how you FEEL. Almost all of the time I'm hanging around with friends even WAY shorter (like by over 5 cm), I honestly don't SEE it then and there. Once a guy asked me how tall I was. I said "180". I don't remember how he replied exactly, except he said "...I'm only 171 cm". That was strange in that he perceived me as being "tall" but the other way around not nearly as much of the opposite effect. Shorter, I noticed, but by how MUCH is much harder to say.
Then, people my own height or very close tend to look taller but actually are not. Those are the kinds of situations where you'll FEEL short for no reason.
Then there's where taller people are present. What I've found is that for example someone who's up to 188 cm is in person not noticeably taller, there's a bit of a range. This is the opposite of the first one, in a photo or reflection it's very apparent but again in person mostly not noticeable. Although 188 cm is probably quite a bit closer to 181 than 181 is to 171 if you crunch the percentages but still.
So taller (190 cm) people might see me, or a 6 foot guy as kind of like the same. "Shorter than them". Don't know?

BTW. "I'm not a statistician" is also something I wanted to say :) More like I'm required to know a bit about it, but numbers are in the end boring.
Visitor said on 19/Nov/19
Height also most definitely does NOT follow a normal distribution for all arbitrary subgroups.

AndrewV, one particular thing you seem to have completely ignored is distribution INSIDE groups. I mention this also because of the "diminishing returns" phenomenon. Let's say males, 6 foot tall, would be 15% as a ballpark figure. That means this SUBGROUP of males is the group of ALL males who are even a hair over 6 foot tall, but also including basketball players etc. See what I mean? It does NOT mean "15% are 6 ft tall"!

Imagine a room with a 100 guys sitting around. Then ask the "6 footers" to stand up. Out of a HUNDRED people, fif-teen will stand up. One will be 6'0", another one will be 6'0", a third one will be 6'1" but how many do you think will be "6 foot 5"?

Just another angle to look at things.

About the age and ethnicity thing... keep in mind that the celebrities listed on this site are largely NOT young white millennials. Quite the contrary, most are at least 40. Even then, many seemingly insist that 90% of them are several inches over 6 ft tall.
Visitor said on 19/Nov/19
@AndrewV Ok. I'd just like to say I wasn't targeting you personally or even that specifically for that matter. We also seem to be stuck on semantics that aren't really getting us anywhere that fast.

Whatever the exact average is, it is STILL generally true that beyond 180 cm, for every cm, increasingly fewer people will be over that height ("for white millennials", if you like). Others have already discussed this in length: 6 foot has never been and is not now an "average" height, 6 foot is tall.

Several reasons, including "shoes or not" and "rounding up" for what everyone's observing: people claiming to be taller than they are.

My original point was a bit more simply to explain a little bit the very prevalent skepticism people have ESPECIALLY toward "6 foot flat" listings on this site *. But it's generalizable.

* (5'11 - 6'0 is RIGHT on the part of the distribution curve where you'll see the one of, if not THE largest drop in people over that height. Within that inch. So a statistician might just say "it's LIKELY" that at least 50% are actually not that tall).
Greed dog said on 19/Nov/19
I have a co worker who is maybe 6’2 (he’s like 50 something so he’s lost height) and he said his wife was 6 foot, his oldest son is 6’10 and his youngest is 5’10. I wonder how that happened haha.
AndrewV said on 18/Nov/19
@Goel175cm

Exactly. Young, urban East Asians living in developed countries are still notably shorter than young whites on average, but not so much as to warrant the stereotypes you often see of Asian stature in western media. It's also important to note that young East Asians, particularly Japanese and Koreans, have also reached a peak in average height and are no longer growing taller. The stereotype of the very short Asian is really only applicable in places like the Philippines or Vietnam. Visiting the Philippines and Indonesia was the only time I've felt exceptionally tall in my life (like a 6'6" guy in America), the average young lad in those countries can't be any taller than 165cm.

Seeing 5'9"-5'10" western guys describe themselves as "very tall" or "towering" when visiting East Asian or even just among western Asians is honestly laughable. Even at 184cm I'm considered very tall among Asians (both in the US and when I visit East Asia) but not in any way that's exceptional or towering. The only way a 5'9" or 5'10" guy could call themselves "very tall" or "towering" among Asians is if they're around old people or visiting the Philippines.
AndrewV said on 18/Nov/19
@ajax509

"Man, you need evidence. Everything else is misleading and fake news."

You can trivially read the methodology of each study I posted. If anything, the burden of proof lies on you, since you're the one making the claim that the data may be self-reported.
AndrewV said on 18/Nov/19
@Greed dog

This is a pretty good chart for young Americans living in a diverse area. You could subtract two inches from that chart if you live in a West Coast town/city that is majority Hispanic and/or Asian. If you live in a majority white area, I'd add a half inch to each category.
AndrewV said on 18/Nov/19
@Johan 185cm
The CBS website you cited also displays a 183-184cm and ~170cm average for young Dutch men and women ages 18-34 years, respectively, since the early 2000s: Click Here

@Person111
That's true, but the distribution for Asian men is certainly lower than for white men. Maybe 20% of young Asians (and Hispanics) I grew up around in California grew to 5'10"+. Young Asians in the west aren't taller than their urban counterparts in East Asia; young Japanese guys average 172cm, young Koreans average 174cm. China is a bit more diverse in height: Young urban Chinese average 172cm-173cm overall ranging from as low as 5'7" in southern provinces like Guangdong and 5'9"-5'9.5" in northern regions like Beijing and Shandong. Young guys in places like Heilongjiang and Beijing are taller than Asian-Americans by a noticeable amount. It's also important to remember that Asian-Americans are by no means a homogeneous group of people, so Asian-Americans with Korean, N. Chinese, etc. backgrounds will probably skew taller than those with Vietnamese or Filipino backgrounds.

@Greg
Your picture doesn't provide a statistically representative sample of mean height or its distribution within a population. A better example would be to stand in a crowded place on flat ground and compare yourself to others around here. I assure you that if you live in a majority white area, the height distribution in such a situation will be centered closer to 5'10" than 5'9". Sure, there may be *some* instances where a 5'10"-5'11" white guy might feel above average or even somewhat tall, but that is the reality of being just slightly above average. 179cm-180cm is still well within a standard deviation for young white guys. When I'm standing in a line at my university's dining hall at 184cm, I'm maybe 80th percentile among (white) men, maybe 85th-90th at a push if the crowd happens to be a bit more diverse.
Greg said on 18/Nov/19
@Sean Would you actually be satisfied at 6’0? I think while you might find it ideal you would probably still want to be taller I know I wouldn’t mind being 6’0 but I think to myself had the tables turned and I actually was 6’0 would I be satisfied or would I still want to be taller. Hell you might not even feel tall enough at 6’6 or whatever look at Ellis he’s 6’7 and doesn’t feel big enough. I think people just become greedy in a sense and think bigger or more is always better. I think at your height you should feel tall enough.
6'1guy said on 18/Nov/19
@Dan84

Yeah, the best heights for sports are legit 6'-6'2 I have no doubt about that. Once you start creeping over 6'4 your limbs just become so long, your body gets too long and it becomes harder to perform you start to get more disadvantages than advantages for sports. Unless it's the NBA, then you need to be super tall. But then again the great Michael Jordan was only 6'5 considering the average NBA player is 6'7 and Steph Curry who is creeping towards that legendary status is only 6'2.
Grayloth said on 18/Nov/19
”QM6'1QM said on 17/Nov/19
Lell said on 16/Nov/19

How tall is 6'1" for Sweden (percentiles, i mean) ?
If you didn't trolling.”

Click Here

However, average height is 181 cm for young men so in that case 185 cms is probably 75 % percentile.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 18/Nov/19
@Greed dog
I live on the west coast too, but the average isn't that high. It may depend on where you live on the west coast though. I live in the LA area, and the average is around 5'8"-5'8.5"
Sakz said on 18/Nov/19
@Dan84 It depends on the sport but I wouldn't say there's a 'perfect' height as such but rather a more ideal range. Basketball obviously attracts very tall people because of the nature of the sport. There's aspects of other sports where being tall is very beneficial but being too tall can bring drawbacks aswell. For example with football being very tall can be an advantage with headers and being a goalkeeper. The very tall players are likely to be less agile though. Overall various sports attract players of different heights and 6'0-6'2 are common among them as they're not overly tall, so they're good heights to manage. They're what you would call ideal.

@Confused Guy The hospital measurement will be accurate provided they measured you barefoot. Your height perception is clearly off quite a bit which is why you thought your eye level was that high. Don't take footwear into account either you'll be more confused because shoes aren't part of your height.

@Nik If 5'6 is short and 6'0 is tall then 5'9 isn't anything other than average as it's bang in the middle. That simple right? Lol.
ajax509 said on 18/Nov/19
@You look pretty tall here Click Here, you have good proportions heightwise.
Lell said on 18/Nov/19
@QM6'1QM

Well according to one site I found with percentiles, in Sweden 6'1" would be about 70th percentile. The site uses the average height for Swedes aged 20-29 (181.5 cm) as a reference.

Personally I feel 40/45th percentile here. In CZ republic where there were lots of tourists I was suddenly super tall and towered all the guys, especially Asians.
grizz said on 18/Nov/19
@Dan84, really depends on type of sports. The average height of 2016 male Olympians was 182 cms. Bear in mind that measurements also include the ones from basketball, handball and voleyball players, who very rarely are listed with their barefeet measurements. Hence, this figure is a bit skewed and might be closer to strong 5'11 (180-181 cm).

IMO 185-6 cm is the perfect height altogether, sports included: you can win a medal both in gymnastics and basketball with that height.
al001 said on 18/Nov/19
Is is normal for a 6'0.5 (184cm) guy to have a 5'7.5 (171.5cm) eyelevel?
Greg said on 17/Nov/19
Click Here This is proof that a 5’10.5 almost 5’11 guy can look tallish, also shows that 5’10 can’t be average amongst white males. It’s more 5’9. Footage captured from my dash cam shows me standing during a scene of an accident. My passengers and I saw a car flipped over and one of the girls with us was a nurse so she rushed over and we tried to keep the injured people calm and assist in any way we could. However, the guy next to me was about 5’6 range and had a bit thicker dress shoe than my sneakers, the other guy was also 5’5-5’6 all guys next to me where white males. The guy who crashed his car seemed Hispanic and was about 5’10-5’11 close to me in height. The State Troopers on scene where between 5’7-5’8 with an African American one who was between 5’10-6’0 (wasn’t sure his head gear threw me off) there was also another Lieutenant Fire fighter who was Irish and probably like 5’11 range. Otherwise I was taller than most of the guys there, might have been another white guy who was close to my height, but most where shorter.
Greg said on 17/Nov/19
@Lell I think you’re just being biased towards taller guys you should feel within high average or slightly above it.
Greg said on 17/Nov/19
@Greed dog agreed nice height chart, this is more realistic than some of the other height charts you see here.
Greg said on 17/Nov/19
@Confused guy.. gee that’s a tough issue man it’s not like a can against the wall and a tape would help solve your problem... unless?
Grayloth said on 17/Nov/19
I still trust the CBS height alot more since they have been calculated from much bigger sample sizes. We had similiar figures in Sweden were small height surveys generated bigger numbers (close to 182 cm) but when a huge population, like for military drafting or by official government surveys, have been measured the numbers have always been smaller (in the 180-181 cm area).

If you trust the CBS heights, which I do, the average self-reported height for dutch seems to be in the 182.5-183 cm area. However, self-reported height usually are rounded up or/and exaggerated by maybe at least half a cm making the acutally height for dutch men 182-182,5 cm.
But in that number is also people of all ethnicities. If the dutch population is comparable to the swedish distribution and is about 80 % dutch and 20 % immigrants (who's fair bit shorter than the dutch) you can, as in the case with the swedes, add around a half cm to that average height making the ethnic dutch still somewhere in the 182.5-183 cm area.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 17/Nov/19
@Greed dog

Hold up, why do you classify 5'8.5 as both below average and average height? And why is the range for average so significant? I would place 5'10 as above average in my honest opinion, up to 5'11.
Myself said on 17/Nov/19
@Dan84
It's because there is simply a much bigger number of people closer to the average height. It becomes much more likely to find an exceptional athlete in 100 million people rather than 100000. Height would need to be proportionally much more advantageous compared to other characteristics for it to be THAT decisive, but this still doesn't mean that height taller wouldn't be a benefit.
If Ronaldo is 6'1 and Tyson is 5'10, it doesn't necessarily mean that those heights are the most suited for the respective sports, because there are simply many more deciding factors, and for each additional inch of height it becomes much less likely that to find such exceptions. If Ronaldo was 6'6 and all the other factors remained unchanged, I doubt he would've been worse.
Big Ben said on 17/Nov/19
@Rob - he's actually taller than my measured 5'6.25" friend. I think he's in the 5'7.25-.5" range. He is quite light, 145lbs maybe.
Editor Rob
He might look taller when doing a photo pose than he did in the clip.
Sean william Winter said on 17/Nov/19
id be 100 percent satisfied if i could get 183 cm. evening hieght. just dont feel big enough at 178 cm.
Canson said on 17/Nov/19
Greed dog said on 17/Nov/19
I live on the west coast, if I could list heights I’d say:
Short: 5’5-5’7
Below Average: 5’7.5-5’8.5
Average: 5’8.5-5’10
Tallish- 5’10.5-6’
Tall- 6’0.5-6’2
Big Haus- 6’3-6’6
NBA all star- 6’7-6’10

Average NBA player is prob 6’5.5 barefoot
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 17/Nov/19
@Confused Guy

If you're 184cm by stadiometer, then the measurement is fairly reliable. However, are you certain that your eye level is really 180cm? You could be raising it a fraction and convincing yourself it's higher than it is. If your eye level is truly 180cm, then you'd be close to 6'4.
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 17/Nov/19
180cm eye level! No way you could only be 184cm unless you have a tiny forehead...
c-mo said on 17/Nov/19
@ Nik Ashton

5'10 is a little shortish and 5'9 is short
Confused Guy said on 17/Nov/19
I was measured at 6'0.5/184 cm by a stadiometer in a hospital few weeks ago. I was shocked, because there is 6'1/185 cm fridge at my work and when i wear timberlands, it comes to my eyebrows. How it's possible? I really don't know how tall i am, but i can't be only 184 cm cause my eye level is about 180 cm
ajax509 said on 17/Nov/19
@Dan84
In ProCycling, it's very rare to see 6ft+ riders compete on high level. There were few exceptions like Froome, Indurain and Wiggins. All the other tallish body types were sprinters.

But you're right, sports like Basketball, Swimming and Tennis are dominated by this body type. As for soccer, I'm not convinced.
ajax509 said on 17/Nov/19
AndrewV said on 15/Nov/19
@Bobby 178cm

None of the anthropometric data posted uses self-reported height.
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Man, you need evidence. Everything else is misleading and fake news.
QM6'1QM said on 17/Nov/19
Lell said on 16/Nov/19

How tall is 6'1" for Sweden (percentiles, i mean) ?
If you didn't trolling.
Goel175cm said on 17/Nov/19
@ Andrew V
If you consider overall Asia, The young men is 168-69cm. This average figure you will get when you include all east Asian,south east Asian, south Asian and western Asian countries.
Goel175cm said on 17/Nov/19
@ Andrew V
Yes u are right
The average height of young men age(20-24) in China is 171.9cm.
The average height of young Japanese men age(20-24) is also 171.9cm
Click Here
The average height of young men in South Korea is 173.6cm
Click Here
Person111 said on 17/Nov/19
@Greg – how can you accurately say 5’10 is above average when it’s clear you live in an area of below average height? You said most women you see are 5’2-5’5 and most white guys are 5’7-5’9. That sounds more like the average heights in Latin America, not America. In a first world country, it shouldn’t be that low. Even Rob agrees the young generation is closer to 5’10 than 5’9. Click Here
Dan84 said on 17/Nov/19
Does anybody think there's a perfect height for sporting success? I know if you want to be an NBA legend, you might need to be 6 foot 4 or so, but it seems like many sports are dominated by men between 6 foot and 6 foot 2. Here's what I mean:

Tennis- Nadal, Federer etc all around 6 foot 1
Michael Phelps- Claims 6 foot 4, but many say he is nearer 6 foot 2 to 3 on here.
Chris Froome- 6 foot 1
Many great footballers are around the 6 foot mark.

Interesting to see what others think.
Greed dog said on 17/Nov/19
I live on the west coast, if I could list heights I’d say:
Short: 5’5-5’7
Below Average: 5’7.5-5’8.5
Average: 5’8.5-5’10
Tallish- 5’10.5-6’
Tall- 6’0.5-6’2
Big Haus- 6’3-6’6
NBA all star- 6’7-6’10
Bego said on 16/Nov/19
During the day i can feel above avg and tallish sometimes. But at night i tend to struggle to keep my self as avg at least.
Nik Ashton said on 16/Nov/19
5’9” is the dictionary definition of average!
Nik Ashton said on 16/Nov/19
@ Progking - Then short should start at 5’5” in the UK, not under 5’8” as a lot of people claim! 🍰!
Nik Ashton said on 16/Nov/19
@ Grayloth - You are welcome, you still chose it though!

I agree, the average is close to 181 cm in Sweden!
Daycringeothon said on 16/Nov/19
there’s a lot of confusion with measuring accurately. If a person is brushing at a height (back against wall method with tape measurer) are they really that height🤨🤔
There definitely will be a slight margin of error. I wouldn’t be too confident with that method personally. It’s like scraping at a height and comfortably right at the height are two different things. Most of these Celebs are at most just scraping their listed height. Example 5’10.5” 178.9cm actor is scrapping listed height when they’re comfortably at 5’10” in reality. This is where rounding up and such become annoying. Then factor in time of day i.e mid day and late evening. No two people will shrink the same either. A relatively shorter person may lose more mm’s than their taller counterpart. Considering both are otherwise perfectly healthy.
Nik Ashton said on 16/Nov/19
I never feel short in England at 5’7.25”!
Nik Ashton said on 16/Nov/19
The UK average for men is about 5’8.75” - 5’9”! People could go round some towns and villages and find that every other man is 5’6” or 5’7”!
Sakz said on 16/Nov/19
@Johan 185cm That's what it's reported to be in the UK aswell. Whether it's 100% true or not is a different matter because there's so many different sources out there. I for one go by the overall average to avoid confusion and creating a bias.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 16/Nov/19
@AndrewV
Pretty much every country had racial foundations of some sort, America or Europe isn't unique. There are some people of all nationalities and races who did bad things. I'm not saying that colonialism didn't have some negative outcomes, but I don't think it's fair to mostly blame colonialism as the reason why some places and groups are segregated today. Crime, poverty, and living conditions are some of the bigger factors, especially nowadays.
Goel175cm said on 16/Nov/19
@ Person111
Non Hispanic white contributes 60.4% of the US Population not 70%.
I also observed that CDC has taken only 40% sample of Non Hispanic white, but they have actually mentioned the accurate average height.
Click Here
So In the above image you can see population of US by race
So here is the population share of each race and their average height which is mentioned in CDC 2011-14 Report
(Population Share* Average Height)
Non Hispanic white population-60.7*177.1cm
(2018 census)
Black- 13.4%*176.4cm
Hispanic- 18.1%*171.2cm
Asians-5.8%*170.3
Then American Indian/Native- 2%(but this group is not been measured)
CDC Report have covered 98% of the US Population.
So Average height - 177.1*60.7+ 176.4*13.4+ 171.2*18.1+ 170.3*5.8
If you multiply and add it you will get 17200.19,And if you add the population share value also got will get 98%, So if you divide it with the population share(98%)
17200.19/98= 175.5cm
The above average is what roughly they have mentioned in the CDC Report
Even though they have sampled 40% non Hispanic white but still while calculating the overall average height they have weighed population by age and race.
It's a lengthy calculation but not a complex one.
Lell said on 16/Nov/19
@Progking

I like that you specify "outside the tall european countries", because then I understand peoples views better. At 179 cm I would prolly be tallish outside of Europe, but here in Sweden I feel like 40/45th percentile.
Bego said on 16/Nov/19
Statistics mean jack when very tiny portion is measured if even measured correctly. Those few thousands dont represent millions.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 15/Nov/19
@ ajax509 - I was only joking around! I wasn't offended by male averages - I'm used to being short(ish)! I'm taller than some people. Everyone is, virtually!
😆👍
AndrewV said on 15/Nov/19
@Bobby 178cm

None of the anthropometric data posted uses self-reported height.
AndrewV said on 15/Nov/19
@Progking

I'm 184cm at my low and I pretty much agree with you. It's legit tall in the grand scheme of things but around young men, particularly of European ancestry, you'll have many instances of just feeling tallish/above average. Overall, I'd say a solid 183cm at the lowest is the start of tall in most western countries.
AndrewV said on 15/Nov/19
@Bobby 178cm
You're misunderstanding and, thus, misrepresenting what I'm saying. 5'10" is the MEAN height of white men, it doesn't mean every single white guy is going to be that tall. Since height is normally distributed, the mean, median, and mode are all the same or very similar. Thus, the most common (the mode) height among white men will be 5'10", followed by 5'9" and 5'11", and so on with decreasing frequency.

Considering China is a large country with vast differences in ancestry, economic development, etc, there are large differences in average height between Chinese people. Young men in northern China are 5'9"-5'9.5" on average, while Southern Chinese men are 5'7"-5'8" range. The average for young, urban Chinese across the entire country is 172.7cm- exactly 5'8": Click Here. The average for Chinese men of all age groups would be around 5'6": Click Here. For reference, the average Asian American man ages 20-39 is 172.3cm, just under 5'8". At 5'10" you'd be in the tall range for young Asians in the West, but certainly not "towering".

Where did you get the idea that I thought minorities are "genetically inferior"? I'm literally Asian and it's a statement of fact that young Asians, even in the West, are about 2 inches shorter than their white counterparts. Being shorter doesn't make one "genetically inferior" to anybody, it is merely a statement of fact and observation that some groups of people are, on average, shorter than others. The only way you could interpret anything I say as espousing the genetic superiority of one group over another is if you attach value judgments to height, which I don't. The reason I talk about the average for young white men is because most of the posters here are in that demographic and generally associate with people of that demographic. It is completely fine to factor in minorities into the average if you live in a diverse area like Toronto or NYC, but that is not the case for most posters here or white people in America for that matter. Height is contextual: the 5'10" average for young whites is materially relevant to me right now since I live in a southern US college town that is majority white. If I was still in California, the 5'9" national average or even 5'8" average for young Hispanics and Asians would be the one I'd go by.

Also, Turks are not "genetically similar" to Mongolians. The Turkic conquests and the subsequent Turkification of Anatolian peoples did not involve population transfer or genocide. Virtually all modern-day Turks are descended from indigenous populations that have lived in that region for millennium who gradually adopted Turkish language and identity. The average for young Turks is 5'9": Click Here
Person111 said on 15/Nov/19
@AndrewV - although it's true many Asian Americans are that height, a sizeable number of them are comparable to whites in height, despite having short immigrant parents.
Person111 said on 15/Nov/19
@Bobby – by whites, I mean people of NorthWestern European descent (mainly UK). This is the origins of most whites in the Anglosphere (USA, Canada, Australia, etc.) No one is disputing the national average. What’s being argued by many here is that the average white male height is under 5’10, which is preposterous. Your experiences you describe sound too atypical for you to accurately gauge the white average. You said most white women you see are 5’2-5’4 and most white guys are under 5’10. That’s too low to be true. That may be true for your experiences, but there’s no way the average is that low. Even Rob agrees the young generation is closer to 5’10 than 5’9. Click Here
ajax509 said on 15/Nov/19
@Johan 185 cm @AndrewV
I've been to the Netherlands - more than once - they're not a mm taller than native Germans. It's a case for Jamie Hyneman and MythBusters!
ajax509 said on 15/Nov/19
Person111 said on 14/Nov/19
@ajax509 - actually in CDC's 5'9 national average, the sample they used was only 40% white. Only 2,094 out of 5,232 people in the sample are white. See pg 16 here Click Here. So the 5'9 average is actually understated because the sample was 60% non-white and 40% white. If the sample were actually 70% white, the average would be higher than 5'9. So all the posters here who cling to the 5'9 average are wrong. Among young white males, 5'9 is actually slightly BELOW average.
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Not true, CDC calculated the real percentages for their statistics. If we go by 40% it would have been less than 68.6 inches, not the given 69.2!
Check it yourself:
Non-Hispanic white 2,094 69.7"
Non-Hispanic black 1,222 69.5"
Non-Hispanic Asian 666 67"
Hispanic 1,089 67.4"
Mexian American 627 67.3"

((69.7 x 2094) + (69.5 x 1222) + (67 x 666) + (67.4 x 1089) + (67.3 x 627)) / 5698 = 68.64 [inches]

(CDC's Page 16)
Nik Ashton said on 15/Nov/19
The reason why older people are included when working out the average height of people in a country is because they are part of the population, every bit as much as people in their 20’s! I have every bit as much right to not include younger people as some of the people on here have to not include older people, therefore arguments not to include older people should be null and void! I include everyone because when you are working out the average height of people in a country no one has more right to be included than anyone else, everyone should be included!
Most white men that I see locally who are taller than me only clear me by about 0-1.5” and I am 5’7.5”! By the way quite a bit over 95% of men in my area are white and I am from England! It’s cool to be white or black or any colour BTW!
QM6'1QM said on 15/Nov/19
Progking said on 14/Nov/19

I'm something around 185.7-187.7 cm everyday (morning/evening) and that's solid tall height, for sure.
Bobby 5'10 (1.78m) said on 15/Nov/19
@ajax508

How would you know? Are you Greek? Because I am and I've been to Athens. I felt above average.
Big Ben said on 15/Nov/19
Hey Rob! How tall do you the guy next to me in this video is? He's in the orange pants who gets lifted up. Click Here


@Sandy - I'm right here! Just commenting under a new usernane.
Editor Rob
In that clip he could look like a 5ft 6 guy, easily picked up so must be light!
Johan 185 cm said on 15/Nov/19
AndrewV said on 12/Nov/19
@Johan 185cm
The data comes from TNO, not CBS. TNO uses measured data and they've created medical growth charts for ethnic Dutch adolescents. There are also growth charts for Dutch people of Indian, Moroccan, and Turkish backgrounds.

The median height for ethnic Dutch men at 21 years old is 183.8cm (standard deviation: 7.1cm): Click Here

You're correct that the Dutch population has peaked in height. The average for ethnic Dutch men stagnated at 183cm-184cm since the 1990s: Click Here

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TNO is a small independent company that provides alot of useful information for companies but lacks both the resources and means to give any accuracy on the national average. Little more than 2000 people work for them in Den Haag. The information they provided was from a sample of school going students numbering merely in the hundreds. In the north we are taller than in the south of the country so if they took a sample in the north its possible they might have got a 1cm more on average.

CBS is the central bureau of statistics here in the Netherlands ie. the government. Thats why you can track further back than the 70's on the webpage as all the information is archived. You can trace many articles back to the statline page of the CBS but for some reason they always seem to report false information.

In the 90's we averaged 177.3 cm, as of this years report it is now 181.1 cm. For many years it was 180.8 cm so we grew 3 mm last 10 years. In other words we are no longer growing which is perfectly normal as anything over 180 cm according to scientists is further than humans need to grow.

Young guys seem to be on average 2cm taller than the overall average, however the youngest gen seem to be only at 182.8 cm max. As Grayloth said there is in the past a record of 182.4 cm but a difference of 4 mm is literally nothing. What counts is that 5'11.5-6' is average for a young guy here roughly which adds up to 6'0.5-6'1" in shoes which everyone reports us at.
Greg said on 15/Nov/19
@Person111 No you’re wrong I agree with Bobby, 5’10 isn’t an expected height it is above the average in most places whether you want to admit it or not. If it was expected you would be seeing more 5’10 guys I don’t even see that many while walking around, even white makes a lot of them are going to be between 5’7-5’9 if not shorter and few taller.
FE said on 15/Nov/19
@Editor Rob,

Ive measured myself roughly around 180cm range on a Carpet (which is bit sloped by the Cupboard).

Is it possible that I am taller than this?
Editor Rob
It could depend on how thick the carpet is and whether your heels are sinking down a few mm's or not...some carpets can have very tight fibres so your feet don't really sin, while others could have up to 1cm of compression - and your tape measure will then sit higher than your heels.
Progking said on 14/Nov/19
Guys i think 6'0.5 should be considered the start of tall(outside the tall european countries) This is taking into account both the general average and young male average. Once you are close enough to 6'1(184 cm evening height), i think tall officially begins. Its usually either 6'0 or 6'1 is considered tall, so right in the middle is good! Im just shy of the mark at 183 cm low
Greg said on 14/Nov/19
@Andrew V it might be a bit over 5’9 but certainly not 5’10.
Greg said on 14/Nov/19
@James B both of those are very tall and even stand out heights in the U.S only difference is you’re closer to hitting your head on the door frame at 6’5.
Person111 said on 14/Nov/19
@ajax509 - actually in CDC's 5'9 national average, the sample they used was only 40% white. Only 2,094 out of 5,232 people in the sample are white. See pg 16 here Click Here. So the 5'9 average is actually understated because the sample was 60% non-white and 40% white. If the sample were actually 70% white, the average would be higher than 5'9. So all the posters here who cling to the 5'9 average are wrong. Among young white males, 5'9 is actually slightly BELOW average.
AndrewV said on 14/Nov/19
@Person111

That's not entirely true, Asian-American men 20-39 average 172.3cm while women average 158.4cm, which is about 6cm shorter than their white counterparts of the same age group and similar to urban Chinese youth. I'm Thai-Chinese and grew up around people of different Asian-American groups in LA and the 172cm/158cm average seems accurate for young Asians, most guys I meet are between 5'6" and 5'10" while most young Asian women are 5'0"-5'4".
ajax509 said on 14/Nov/19
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 12/Nov/19
@ Ajax 509 - Where does that fit me in? I must be very, very short! 😂😂😂
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Sorry Sandy, I didn't mean to offend anybody. Actually, I had to declare it's a height chart for young Dutch men (20-39y/o).
Bego said on 14/Nov/19
@Person111 First world thing? NO!
QM6'1QM said on 14/Nov/19
James B said on 13/Nov/19

Yep, i got it. Same situation as 5'11 vs. 6'1, lol.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 14/Nov/19
@AndrewV

Bro, it's not low. My brother is 21 years old and is 5'8 to my 5'10. We're European males, aren't we? So, tell me, why did I hit 5'10 (Not getting into fraction technicalities here) and he didn't? Just because a person is white doesn't mean they're going to be 5'10 when they grow to their adult height. If 5'10 was as average and as common as you seem to believe it is, then why isn't every single white guy that tall? Lol, and Chinese people, that tall? At 5'9? Dude, you're describing a Chinese American or Chinese Canadian, that is to say, Chinese people who are not born in China. I've seen Chinese tourists in Toronto. I tower them at my height. They are not 5'9 range at all. I can't comment on the Turkish people, but I can tell you that Chinese people, you know, immigrated from China, do not average that high. The average European male is at least 4 inches taller than an Asian person.

You seem to be in love with CDC statistics, but statistics aren't everything and don't prove jack all. These stats could be a morning height, in which case, we have to knock off 2cm from everyone. So, 5'10 becomes 5'9.25 instead. The averages could also be self-reported. I don't think it's realistic to measure a sample population of 1,000 people from every country, do you? That's just too tedious.

And once again, the U.S and Canada are multiethnic, so you can't pretend minorities don't exist when you talk about average height. You have to be inclusive when you speak about averages. Minorities are people too. And FYI, even African Americans are considered minorities both historically and politically, but yet they average about the same with Caucasian Americans, so that throws your belief out the window that minorities are genetically inferior or disadvantaged somehow. If everyone is given the equal opportunity to thrive, regardless of their skin colour, then I guarantee you that the end results will be very close. I've seen Chinese guys as tall as 5'9 in Toronto, and before you say, no, there's no way in hell that the average Chinese man in China would grow that tall. Maybe 5'6 at most.

And if we're gonna talk about genetic similarities, then the Turks are genetically similar to Mongolians. What's their average height? Let's see here... it is 168.4cm for men, so, that's 5'6 and change. What was that about Turks averaging 5'9? Oh yeah, a short history lesson for you, the Turks are a rebranded name for a small tribe of Mongolians who ventured West and settled down around Anatolia and adopted Islamic customs which they borrowed from the Arabs. So, there's no way that Turks are as tall as 5'9 on average, is it possible, yes, if they were born in the U.S and Canada, but if not, then I don't believe you. Okay, these people are from third world countries, or to be politically correct, developing countries. Which means they aren't genetically disadvantaged, no, they are nutritionally and financially disadvantaged.

@Person111

What I said above goes for you as well. By your logic, I should be comparing myself to Greek men, which I have, and I reasoned, I am above average even for my own ethnicity. White people is a broad and very generic term. Do you know how many different European ethnicities actually exist? You need to narrow it down.
Sakz said on 14/Nov/19
@AndrewV It is never ending in the sense that everyone will have contrasting opinions as is evident here. Nobody agrees on one thing. A lot of people are going by their own observations as well as the overall average including all ethnicities. There's also then the question of how reliable certain sources are so all these factors come into play.
Johan 185 cm said on 14/Nov/19
If a country has an overall average in the 5'9" range like the US does it's not crazy to think that young guys average around 5'10". I am pretty sure that is the case for many first world countries in the west.

You have taller countries who average 5'10" while the young are 5'11" or near to it like Austria, Belgium, Norway etc.

And then a very few who average 5'11" with young people being near 6' .

Still a tiny pool of people globally, overall the average man is lucky to be 5'7" on a global scale.
Johan 185 cm said on 14/Nov/19
@AndrewV

Then the data collected was false. In the 90's the average dutch male was 177 cm range not anywhere near 180 nvm 184 cm. Very possible that a young guy was 179 range at the time but no more than that.

CBS is our central stats agency here in the Netherlands. These are barefoot measurements and not self reported.

As of 2019 we average 181.1 cm so 3mm taller since 2009. This trend will continue because Gen X and the millenials are taller than the baby boomers and also taller than Gen Z (1996 -) So the elderly will not have such an impact. Right now there is around 2cm lost by including elderly men. Its almost exactly 183 cm for a young dutch guy today, mm's from 6 foot on the nose.
Canson said on 14/Nov/19
It's not a "never ending story", the 5'9" average is derived from measurements of ALL racial and age groups. In fact, the 5'9" average from the CDC and US military anthropometric data uses a statistical sampling that is over 50% non-white and elderly, which is not weighted to America's actual demographics or to the peer groups of most posters here. A solid 5'10" has consistently been the average for white men ages 20-40 since the 1970s across multiple studies from varying sources, ranging from government to academia. This isn't exclusive to America, other European-descended countries with similar ancestral origins also show a solid 5'10" average.

Keep in mind that the averages are not consistent. Shoes, etc
ajax509 said on 14/Nov/19
AndrewV said on 12/Nov/19
@edboy

Ethnic Dutch height has stagnated since the 1990s at 183cm-184cm: Click Here
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It's absolutely ridiculous given self-reported Dutch mean of 180.8cm.

@Johan 185cm
What's your opinion on this "study"? Should they really have measured thousands of adolescents (from birth - 19.5y/o)? It is more likely that there was the Flying Dutchman 😂
ajax509 said on 14/Nov/19
@AndrewV On page 13 Click Here CDC explained that they weighed data = 69% caucasians (instead of 40).
ajax509 said on 14/Nov/19
AndrewV said on 12/Nov/19
@Johan 185cm
The data comes from TNO, not CBS. TNO uses measured data and they've created medical growth charts for ethnic Dutch adolescents. There are also growth charts for Dutch people of Indian, Moroccan, and Turkish backgrounds.

The median height for ethnic Dutch men at 21 years old is 183.8cm (standard deviation: 7.1cm): Click Here

You're correct that the Dutch population has peaked in height. The average for ethnic Dutch men stagnated at 183cm-184cm since the 1990s: Click Here
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@AndrewV Again, it remains a guess of you that it was measured! It is nowhere explicitly explained in the study. Also, how large was the sample?
ajax509 said on 14/Nov/19
@Bobby 5'10 (1.78m)
Your not taller than native born Greeks of your own age - on average.
ajax509 said on 14/Nov/19
AndrewV said on 12/Nov/19
@ajax509
It's not a "never ending story", the 5'9" average is derived from measurements of ALL racial and age groups. In fact, the 5'9" average from the CDC and US military anthropometric data uses a statistical sampling that is over 50% non-white and elderly, which is not weighted to America's actual demographics or to the peer groups of most posters here. A solid 5'10" has consistently been the average for white men ages 20-40 since the 1970s across multiple studies from varying sources, ranging from government to academia. This isn't exclusive to America, other European-descended countries with similar ancestral origins also show a solid 5'10" average.
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@AndrewV Fine. You can't declare it as 'U.S. mean height', it is average in this specific peer group. Quite understandable that it doesn't match Greg's day to day experience.

I have to correct "CDC and US military anthropometric data uses a statistical sampling that is over 50% non-white and elderly" as it's BS! 69% of the U.S. adult population is caucasian ("white") so they sampled 69%.
Bego said on 14/Nov/19
@AndrewV Did you even read what i was saying? Sample is extremely small, the same same they used to measure our Bosnian youth with countries population of 3million only.
Person111 said on 14/Nov/19
@Bobby – It’s not about white people’s heights, it’s mainly a first world thing. Asians are 40% of Vancouver’s population and a huge number of them are very comparable in height to whites (5’4-5’5 women and 5’10 males). Most racial groups who grow up in the first world with basic nutrition and healthcare average similar to whites. It’s a first world thing, not a race thing.

No one here is disputing the 5’9 average. But it's a misleading average. Short immigrants and the elderly (people from 2 generations ago) are still included in the average height, which brings the average down. Their children often do grow up to be more comparable in height to whites. What I’m saying is that 5’10 is not above average for the majority of posters here for their racial background. It’s a completely expected height given their race, age group, access to basic healthcare, etc.
cmillz said on 14/Nov/19
AndrewV said on 12/Nov/19
@Johan 185cm

You're correct that the US, statistically, has a pretty diverse population but it's a bit more complicated than that given American history and current social trends. Most people tend to live in segregated areas where they associate with people in a similar peer groups, ie whites tend to live among other whites, black people tend to associate with other black people, etc.

With that said, talking about a 5'10" average for young whites is relevant in this scenario since, if you're a young white guy in America", your peer group will probably have a similar background to you.




Big yikes at this, that’s all I’m going to say.
James B said on 13/Nov/19
6’5 looks much taller than 6’3 does In the flesh even though it’s only 2 inches.

6’5 in my opinion is in a different category too 6’3
QM6'1QM said on 13/Nov/19
AndrewV said on 12/Nov/19

Absolutely huge number. Dutch people are giants.
Grayloth said on 13/Nov/19
@Johan 185 cm
Keep in mind also that self-reported heights usually are off by around a 0,5 cm and sometimes more aswell.

I found similiar figures on CBS.nl from 2013 (which I have posted some months ago I think) where 20-30 year olds averaged 182,4 cm, 30-40 year olds averaged 182,8 cm and 40-50 year olds averaged 182,2 cm

Click Here
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 13/Nov/19
@ ce-mo - Then where do I stand? 😂😂😂
Sean william Winter said on 13/Nov/19
canson you mean strong 5'10 will look above average or tall? a 6fter always looks tall. i saw a 6ft guy i didnt feel much smaller than him. tho i think 183 cm is ideal hieght for man. wish i didnt stunt my growth tho i never know for sure. when i was 14 i went out with m8s and didnt eat a lot on those days but. its impossible to say. i reckon i should of hit 5'11 .
Johan 185 cm said on 13/Nov/19
AndrewV said on 12/Nov/19
@edboy

Ethnic Dutch height has stagnated since the 1990s at 183cm-184cm: Click Here

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In the 1990's we measured in at 177.3 cm overall and now its climbed from 180.8 cm last year to 181.1 cm this year. Not as drastic an increase as in the past but still enough.

It was 180.8 cm in 2009 not the inaccurate 183.8 cm stated in that foreign article.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 13/Nov/19
@ Johan - I was going to ask whether you're a Dutch fella, but you've already told me! 😉👍
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 12/Nov/19
@ Ajax 509 - Where does that fit me in? I must be very, very short! 😂😂😂
Shaun McCreary said on 12/Nov/19
Rob, do you think theres a good bunch of not just celebs but average people that genuinely don't really know how tall they are? I actually didnt know how tall I was until I was 18. I always assumed I was 5'8 maybe 5'9 (I'm 5'10 1/4! 2 inches taller than I thought I was!!) I feel like celebs who are say a half inch shorter than what they claim are for the most part being honest.
Editor Rob
Yeah I believe some people genuinely don't...they have minimal interest in height or go by what friends claim, having not been measured in ages or have forgotten!
Greg said on 12/Nov/19
@Guest66 What’s there not to buy? How is a strong 5’10 not tallish, makes no type of sense a 5’10.5-5’10.75” guy would look the same as a flat 5’11 guy(1/4th-1/2th inch isn’t a lot) especially in footwear, plus if you take account hair and proportions one might not even be able to distinguish the truth. 5’10 is still above average, 5’10.5+ is definitely tallish no doubt about it. I never said 5’10 stands out, neither does 5’11 nor 6’0, to standout you’d have to be a minimum of 6’2, 6’1 is a legit tall though. A 6 footer in America UK or U.S will feel tall no doubt seeing the average is 5’9, you don’t have to tower every single person you see to be tall nor do you have to be the tallest in the room that’s absolutely a load of bs. 5’11 is 75th percentile and 5’10.5-5’10.75 is about 70th percentile in America with 6’0 being 83rd percentile try again lmao.
AndrewV said on 12/Nov/19
@Greg

A flat 5'9" average for young whites guys in the US is way too low and runs contrary to the evidence. That would mean White Americans are the same height as young Turks or urban northern Chinese, which is impossible. Beijing has a flat 5'9" average for young men and the difference between standing in a Beijing subway and a frat party in the US is very noticeable.
AndrewV said on 12/Nov/19
@Johan 185cm

You're correct that the US, statistically, has a pretty diverse population but it's a bit more complicated than that given American history and current social trends. Most people tend to live in segregated areas where they associate with people in a similar peer groups, ie whites tend to live among other whites, black people tend to associate with other black people, etc.

With that said, talking about a 5'10" average for young whites is relevant in this scenario since, if you're a young white guy in America", your peer group will probably have a similar background to you.

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