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Johan 185 cm said on 14/Nov/19
@AndrewV

Then the data collected was false. In the 90's the average dutch male was 177 cm range not anywhere near 180 nvm 184 cm. Very possible that a young guy was 179 range at the time but no more than that.

CBS is our central stats agency here in the Netherlands. These are barefoot measurements and not self reported.

As of 2019 we average 181.1 cm so 3mm taller since 2009. This trend will continue because Gen X and the millenials are taller than the baby boomers and also taller than Gen Z (1996 -) So the elderly will not have such an impact. Right now there is around 2cm lost by including elderly men. Its almost exactly 183 cm for a young dutch guy today, mm's from 6 foot on the nose.
Canson said on 14/Nov/19
It's not a "never ending story", the 5'9" average is derived from measurements of ALL racial and age groups. In fact, the 5'9" average from the CDC and US military anthropometric data uses a statistical sampling that is over 50% non-white and elderly, which is not weighted to America's actual demographics or to the peer groups of most posters here. A solid 5'10" has consistently been the average for white men ages 20-40 since the 1970s across multiple studies from varying sources, ranging from government to academia. This isn't exclusive to America, other European-descended countries with similar ancestral origins also show a solid 5'10" average.

Keep in mind that the averages are not consistent. Shoes, etc
ajax509 said on 14/Nov/19
AndrewV said on 12/Nov/19
@edboy

Ethnic Dutch height has stagnated since the 1990s at 183cm-184cm: Click Here
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It's absolutely ridiculous given self-reported Dutch mean of 180.8cm.

@Johan 185cm
What's your opinion on this "study"? Should they really have measured thousands of adolescents (from birth - 19.5y/o)? It is more likely that there was the Flying Dutchman 😂
ajax509 said on 14/Nov/19
@AndrewV On page 13 Click Here CDC explained that they weighed data = 69% caucasians (instead of 40).
ajax509 said on 14/Nov/19
AndrewV said on 12/Nov/19
@Johan 185cm
The data comes from TNO, not CBS. TNO uses measured data and they've created medical growth charts for ethnic Dutch adolescents. There are also growth charts for Dutch people of Indian, Moroccan, and Turkish backgrounds.

The median height for ethnic Dutch men at 21 years old is 183.8cm (standard deviation: 7.1cm): Click Here

You're correct that the Dutch population has peaked in height. The average for ethnic Dutch men stagnated at 183cm-184cm since the 1990s: Click Here
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@AndrewV Again, it remains a guess of you that it was measured! It is nowhere explicitly explained in the study. Also, how large was the sample?
ajax509 said on 14/Nov/19
@Bobby 5'10 (1.78m)
Your not taller than native born Greeks of your own age - on average.
ajax509 said on 14/Nov/19
AndrewV said on 12/Nov/19
@ajax509
It's not a "never ending story", the 5'9" average is derived from measurements of ALL racial and age groups. In fact, the 5'9" average from the CDC and US military anthropometric data uses a statistical sampling that is over 50% non-white and elderly, which is not weighted to America's actual demographics or to the peer groups of most posters here. A solid 5'10" has consistently been the average for white men ages 20-40 since the 1970s across multiple studies from varying sources, ranging from government to academia. This isn't exclusive to America, other European-descended countries with similar ancestral origins also show a solid 5'10" average.
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@AndrewV Fine. You can't declare it as 'U.S. mean height', it is average in this specific peer group. Quite understandable that it doesn't match Greg's day to day experience.

I have to correct "CDC and US military anthropometric data uses a statistical sampling that is over 50% non-white and elderly" as it's BS! 69% of the U.S. adult population is caucasian ("white") so they sampled 69%.
Bego said on 14/Nov/19
@AndrewV Did you even read what i was saying? Sample is extremely small, the same same they used to measure our Bosnian youth with countries population of 3million only.
Person111 said on 14/Nov/19
@Bobby – It’s not about white people’s heights, it’s mainly a first world thing. Asians are 40% of Vancouver’s population and a huge number of them are very comparable in height to whites (5’4-5’5 women and 5’10 males). Most racial groups who grow up in the first world with basic nutrition and healthcare average similar to whites. It’s a first world thing, not a race thing.

No one here is disputing the 5’9 average. But it's a misleading average. Short immigrants and the elderly (people from 2 generations ago) are still included in the average height, which brings the average down. Their children often do grow up to be more comparable in height to whites. What I’m saying is that 5’10 is not above average for the majority of posters here for their racial background. It’s a completely expected height given their race, age group, access to basic healthcare, etc.
cmillz said on 14/Nov/19
AndrewV said on 12/Nov/19
@Johan 185cm

You're correct that the US, statistically, has a pretty diverse population but it's a bit more complicated than that given American history and current social trends. Most people tend to live in segregated areas where they associate with people in a similar peer groups, ie whites tend to live among other whites, black people tend to associate with other black people, etc.

With that said, talking about a 5'10" average for young whites is relevant in this scenario since, if you're a young white guy in America", your peer group will probably have a similar background to you.




Big yikes at this, that’s all I’m going to say.
James B said on 13/Nov/19
6’5 looks much taller than 6’3 does In the flesh even though it’s only 2 inches.

6’5 in my opinion is in a different category too 6’3
QM6'1QM said on 13/Nov/19
AndrewV said on 12/Nov/19

Absolutely huge number. Dutch people are giants.
Grayloth said on 13/Nov/19
@Johan 185 cm
Keep in mind also that self-reported heights usually are off by around a 0,5 cm and sometimes more aswell.

I found similiar figures on CBS.nl from 2013 (which I have posted some months ago I think) where 20-30 year olds averaged 182,4 cm, 30-40 year olds averaged 182,8 cm and 40-50 year olds averaged 182,2 cm

Click Here
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 13/Nov/19
@ ce-mo - Then where do I stand? 😂😂😂
Sean william Winter said on 13/Nov/19
canson you mean strong 5'10 will look above average or tall? a 6fter always looks tall. i saw a 6ft guy i didnt feel much smaller than him. tho i think 183 cm is ideal hieght for man. wish i didnt stunt my growth tho i never know for sure. when i was 14 i went out with m8s and didnt eat a lot on those days but. its impossible to say. i reckon i should of hit 5'11 .
Johan 185 cm said on 13/Nov/19
AndrewV said on 12/Nov/19
@edboy

Ethnic Dutch height has stagnated since the 1990s at 183cm-184cm: Click Here

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In the 1990's we measured in at 177.3 cm overall and now its climbed from 180.8 cm last year to 181.1 cm this year. Not as drastic an increase as in the past but still enough.

It was 180.8 cm in 2009 not the inaccurate 183.8 cm stated in that foreign article.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 13/Nov/19
@ Johan - I was going to ask whether you're a Dutch fella, but you've already told me! 😉👍
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 12/Nov/19
@ Ajax 509 - Where does that fit me in? I must be very, very short! 😂😂😂
Shaun McCreary said on 12/Nov/19
Rob, do you think theres a good bunch of not just celebs but average people that genuinely don't really know how tall they are? I actually didnt know how tall I was until I was 18. I always assumed I was 5'8 maybe 5'9 (I'm 5'10 1/4! 2 inches taller than I thought I was!!) I feel like celebs who are say a half inch shorter than what they claim are for the most part being honest.
Editor Rob
Yeah I believe some people genuinely don't...they have minimal interest in height or go by what friends claim, having not been measured in ages or have forgotten!
Greg said on 12/Nov/19
@Guest66 What’s there not to buy? How is a strong 5’10 not tallish, makes no type of sense a 5’10.5-5’10.75” guy would look the same as a flat 5’11 guy(1/4th-1/2th inch isn’t a lot) especially in footwear, plus if you take account hair and proportions one might not even be able to distinguish the truth. 5’10 is still above average, 5’10.5+ is definitely tallish no doubt about it. I never said 5’10 stands out, neither does 5’11 nor 6’0, to standout you’d have to be a minimum of 6’2, 6’1 is a legit tall though. A 6 footer in America UK or U.S will feel tall no doubt seeing the average is 5’9, you don’t have to tower every single person you see to be tall nor do you have to be the tallest in the room that’s absolutely a load of bs. 5’11 is 75th percentile and 5’10.5-5’10.75 is about 70th percentile in America with 6’0 being 83rd percentile try again lmao.
AndrewV said on 12/Nov/19
@Greg

A flat 5'9" average for young whites guys in the US is way too low and runs contrary to the evidence. That would mean White Americans are the same height as young Turks or urban northern Chinese, which is impossible. Beijing has a flat 5'9" average for young men and the difference between standing in a Beijing subway and a frat party in the US is very noticeable.
AndrewV said on 12/Nov/19
@Johan 185cm

You're correct that the US, statistically, has a pretty diverse population but it's a bit more complicated than that given American history and current social trends. Most people tend to live in segregated areas where they associate with people in a similar peer groups, ie whites tend to live among other whites, black people tend to associate with other black people, etc.

With that said, talking about a 5'10" average for young whites is relevant in this scenario since, if you're a young white guy in America", your peer group will probably have a similar background to you.
AndrewV said on 12/Nov/19
@edboy

Ethnic Dutch height has stagnated since the 1990s at 183cm-184cm: Click Here

In fact, this trend is pretty much universal through the Western world; young white men in Western Europe, North America, and Australia have stagnated in height since the 1980s and 1990s, likely due to a genetic peak.
Person111 said on 12/Nov/19
@Johan 185 cm - USA is 70% white when the CDC statistics sample is only 40% white. So the 5'9 national average is actually understated because only 40% of the sample are white. If the sample was actually 70% white, the average would be higher than 5'9.

People don't omit other groups for biased reasons. People should be comparing themselves only to their own demographic because that's the most accurate and fair. Why would you compare your height to national average when the national average contains shorter demographics you're genetically dissimilar to and not apart of? For whites, 5'10 is average for the genetic and racial background they're coming from. For a Hispanic, 5'10 would be very tall, but it's dead average for someone of Euro ancestry.
AndrewV said on 12/Nov/19
@edboy

Ethnic Dutch height has stagnated since the 1990s at 183cm-184cm: Click Here
AndrewV said on 12/Nov/19
@Johan 185cm
The data comes from TNO, not CBS. TNO uses measured data and they've created medical growth charts for ethnic Dutch adolescents. There are also growth charts for Dutch people of Indian, Moroccan, and Turkish backgrounds.

The median height for ethnic Dutch men at 21 years old is 183.8cm (standard deviation: 7.1cm): Click Here

You're correct that the Dutch population has peaked in height. The average for ethnic Dutch men stagnated at 183cm-184cm since the 1990s: Click Here

@Bego
That's not how statistical sampling works. Every data set from the CDC, the US military, and medical researchers used randomized data sets from different geographic locations throughout the country. When all the different studies have consistently found a solid 5'10" average for younger white men since the 1970s, the figure is likely accurate. And again, all of the data matches with my own experiences along with the anecdotes of several other posters here.

@ajax509
It's not a "never ending story", the 5'9" average is derived from measurements of ALL racial and age groups. In fact, the 5'9" average from the CDC and US military anthropometric data uses a statistical sampling that is over 50% non-white and elderly, which is not weighted to America's actual demographics or to the peer groups of most posters here. A solid 5'10" has consistently been the average for white men ages 20-40 since the 1970s across multiple studies from varying sources, ranging from government to academia. This isn't exclusive to America, other European-descended countries with similar ancestral origins also show a solid 5'10" average.

@Visitor
If the mean increases, then the distribution will absolutely skew taller. Again, it is true that Americans haven't grown taller since the 1970s-1980s, my point was that people in a certain population will be taller than others if they have a higher mean since height is always normally distributed when talking about a population or population sub groups. The height distribution for young white men is centered around 178cm with a standard deviation of about 7cm, so young white men will absolutely be taller than older people and non-black minority groups, who have average at or below 5'9".

I'm sorry, but I really can't agree with 1 in 10 being "rare". Every tenth person is by no means uncommon, how can seeing 2 people of a certain height or taller in, for example, a classroom of 20 people be "rare"? Even 1 in 20 isn't that uncommon, although I would consider someone "very tall" or very short" if they were at the bottom/top 5% of height. I would only describe a height as "rare" if only 1 in 100 people are of that height or taller/shorter, as in 99th+ percentile.

@Greg
None of the studies I posted used measurements in shoes or self-reported data. Even if we were to account for morning measurements (many people go to these anthropometric suverys or their medical appointments later in the day), the difference would be 0.5cm at most, which would still leave a 5'10" average.

@edboy
I agree that the study isn't perfect, but it's findings are consistent with other anthropometric data sets. You're definitely right that white men in that study, had they been surveyed exclusively, would have probably turned up a slightly taller average. That said, the difference wouldn't be significant since whites still comprised the vast majority and that young black men are only a cm shorter on average. The other studies I posted indicate a 5'10.25" average for US white men with studies of young white men in other countries with similar ancestral origins to white Americans also showing similar averages.
Person111 said on 12/Nov/19
@Greg - you most certainly do live in a short area if most guys you see are under 5'9. You said you don't live in a short area but what you just described is a short area.
Canson said on 12/Nov/19
@Bobby: in the states a proper 5’10 or strong 5’10” something like what Greg is will look tall and I say that at 6’4”. Average for a male really only is 5’9”. And a woman at 5’10 in the states looks very tall due to the difference in proportions relative to average height for both sexes. But it looks shorter than it is because so many 5’10 and 5’11 guys claim 6’0”. So by deduction I’d be guessed 6’5-6’6 when I’m only 6’4”
Bego said on 12/Nov/19
@Greg Im talking about what they put in American food including veggies and fruits, food in wealthier countries go trought many processes of which decrease ammount of natural ingredients, giving them less protein, different sorts of vitamins etc..These all get sold in many super markets and simmilar places, and people mostly buy from there, and many more in urban areas. That might explain why in some countries avg is different between urban and rural places. Biggest problem in US is dietary lifestyle, too much McDonalds, Pizza Huts, KFC's etc.. Then you have minority of people having at least minimum ammount of exercise. Europe is nothing better regarding that problem, but genetics are still slightly kicking in, it seems like in less developed European countries people eat more healthy and exercise more, so some ex Soviet states like Baltics now avg 180cm and over, exYu countries the same where around Adriatic coast they are even taller than those in Pannonian Basin. Turks are getting taller too, seen it in Istanbul and Edirne but i think its because alot of people have Balkan origin there in western Turkey.
Sakz said on 12/Nov/19
@Guest66 Most people on here consider 5'9 to be the average, therefore putting 5'10 as above average based on that. If you take that bit out of the equation and look at it purely from aesthetics, then you're right that 5'10 typically looks neither tall or short but average (in the middle). It depends how you look at it. A 6 footer on the other hand typically looks tall amongst average people, though he won't tower them or be much taller. That was also one of the reasons someone didn't feel tall at 6'0 but I pointed out that was irrelevant because to be a lot taller you'd have to be very tall.
Jeff Hey said on 12/Nov/19
so, according to this comments section, (especially Bobby), young north American white average is 174 cm/5'8.5. guys, are you serious?
Johan 185 cm said on 12/Nov/19
I think in some countries you can choose to focus on just the white population. We are still at 80 percent here in the Netherlands, even minorities that people complain about alot like the turks or moroccans are only 2 percent of the total population.

In the US however, white people are only 60-65 percent of the population. Blacks are 12-13 percent and Hispanics are 20 percent. I don't think you can omit other groups when its that many americans.
Johan 185 cm said on 12/Nov/19
ajax509 said on 11/Nov/19
AndrewV said on 10/Nov/19
This study uses measured data from American and Dutch national health databases, where heights are derived from barefoot measurements taken by a stadiometer: Click Here
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It's not declared (explicit), so I have to assume that they simply collected data. I hardly believe 1997 (22 years ago) average of 183.4cm!

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Its collected from a survey, so yes self reported. Its there in the sources at the bottom. I have posted the figures collected by the CBS here in the Netherlands many times.

180.8cm is the overall average. 182.8 cm for the 20-35 years group. 183.2cm for the 36-45 years group. 182.9 cm for the 46-55 years group.

We aren't getting taller, we have peaked and now our lazy youth are getting shorter. Bad eating habits, computer games and so lack of exercise is actually causing an epidemic here at the moment. Young guys with neck/back issues that you expect from a 50+ year old.

You can also see that from the 90's we grew from 175 cm on average up to 180.8cm now.

Our women average 5'6.5" or 169 cm. So we are the tallest men in the world on average but the women are behind Latvia according to their stats that give 170 cm range.
c-mo said on 12/Nov/19
5'10 is shortish and 5'9 is short
Person111 said on 11/Nov/19
@Loman2 - people ignore other ethnicities because it's unfair to compare yourself to the national average when that average includes demographics you're not apart of, and not genetically similar to. A 5'7 Hispanic male may be short compared to the national average, but he's perfectly average for his racial background.
ajax509 said on 11/Nov/19
Height Chart for the Netherlands:
Very tall =193cm
Tall 192-189cm
Tallish 188-185cm
Medium zone 184-178cm
Shortish 177-174cm
Short 173-170cm
Very short
ajax509 said on 11/Nov/19
@AndrewV

It's a never ending story, some provide 5'10" others 5'9". I don't trust any study in case of height.
ajax509 said on 11/Nov/19
AndrewV said on 10/Nov/19
This study uses measured data from American and Dutch national health databases, where heights are derived from barefoot measurements taken by a stadiometer: Click Here
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It's not declared (explicit), so I have to assume that they simply collected data. I hardly believe 1997 (22 years ago) average of 183.4cm!
Greg said on 11/Nov/19
@Viper Well said, it seems people here are presenting a ‘strawman’ argument with 5’10 being average for white guys lol. This is extremely false, I would be surprised if it’s much over 5’9, if 5’10 was male average even for White young guys I would not feel above average. Instead I would only feel marginally above average. The fact I feel tallish at 5’10.5 in noon, shows that the average is close to 5’9 in America and UK even Canada. Most guys around campus are like 5’9 range, there’s only a select few 6 footers and the majority are below 5’9.
Canson said on 11/Nov/19
viper said on 10/Nov/19
I just don't see 5-10 as the average with white millennials.

It looks no more than 5-9 IMO


Agreed. What ethnicity are you, Viper?
Guest66 said on 11/Nov/19
5’10” IS the average height or at the very least within the average range, how is that even a question ? At 5’10” you never stand out nor do you ever look short, that’s textbook average... I personally don’t buy anything “tall-ish” about 5’10” range as well (yes Greg), to me tallish starts above 5’11” mark, including 6’0”. That’s why legit six footers on here say that they don’t ever really feel tall, because let’s face it, they might feel “kinda tall” only until a legit tall 6’3” person steps into the room.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 11/Nov/19
@ Viper and everyone - Talking about Millennials, I wonder what's happened to Swedish Ben?
Bobby 5'10 (1.78m) said on 11/Nov/19
@AndrewV

Also, your statistics are selectively biased. When you include all ethnicities, the average height is definitely not 5'10. I've been arguing the average height of a guy in general.
Visitor said on 11/Nov/19
@AndrewV
I wasn't referring to "normal distribution" at that point. Very simply put, what I think has happened is that the average has moved up, and ONLY the average has moved up. NOT that EVERYONE has gotten taller. I think the distribution has changed shape.

And yes, absolutely 1 in 10 is "rare". And 1 in 20 is VERY rare. But the point even there, is that 1 in 10 people aren't "6 foot 3" or whatever, they're much shorter. That's the major misconception.
AndrewV said on 11/Nov/19
@Loman2

It's not racial bias so much as putting height into context. America is still a largely segregated country for a variety of historical and current factors, so most people's peer groups are racially homogeneous. Most White Americans, particularly middle to upper class whites, grow up in de facto segregated suburban areas and tend to associate with other whites. Sure, the average is 5'9"-5'9.5" when you factor in other groups of people, but most whites are living in majority white areas and hanging out with people in their age group so the average guy they'll be interacting with will be 5'9"-5'11" and most women will be 5'4"-5'6".

Again, it's contextual: At 184cm I consider myself very tall for my ethnicity and in California since my community and peer group are largely minorities. Here at my public university in NC, I'm just on the cusp of tall, I feel legit tall half of the time and only tallish/above average half the other time.
Bobby 5'10 (1.78m) said on 11/Nov/19
@AndrewV

😂 We can grasp it just fine, it's just that some of us disagree with it. Also, some of us may not live in Eurocentric areas (I don't), so if you're a minimum of 5'10, you're gonna feel above average. I'm sure if I lived in Germany, I'd feel average height. It's not about us 5'10 guys wanting to make ourselves taller, it's about what we're seeing outside. And as I mentioned before, by Canson's own words, who is 6'4.25, 5'10 is above average, even if marginally. Even Christian, who is more 6'5 3/8ths, a figure he stands by, will have similar thoughts. And they both live in the U.S.
Person111 said on 11/Nov/19
@viper - 5'9 is too low for white millennials. For the same reason 5'4 is too low to be average for white girls. It can't be the average when most are at least that height.
Sakz said on 11/Nov/19
@Bobby That's why I go by the overall average because it doesn't create a bias.
c-mo said on 11/Nov/19
@viper

but it's measured
edboy said on 11/Nov/19
@AndrewV said on 10/Nov/19
This study took measured heights from 1,686 American students attending nine universities across the country. The participants were 18-24 years old and 76.6% were white, 10.1% were black

This study covers too many unis but not enough students. Michigan State University, South Dakota State University, Syracuse University, The Pennsylvania State University, Tuskegee University, University of Rhode Island, University of Maine, University of Wisconsin, and Rutgers University.

The total number of students were 1686, and male were only 634. But they measured students from so many universities, I really doubt the sample selection. And people are from different place in Universities, for example, a guy from Pennsylvania went to a California university, and a Califnornian student might attend a Wisconsin university.

BTW: 23.5% of boys were not Whites. The average height of Whites(485 particpants) should be taller than 70 inch, I assume 70.25-70.5 inch for Whites.
Bego said on 11/Nov/19
@Loman2 Thats because tons of Americans overestimate their height by 2 to 5cm.
Bego said on 11/Nov/19
@AndrewV Again you are using data that did tests on only few thousand people or less than 1k people. Accurancy of avg height and weight cannot be determined by measuring extremely tiny portion of population. Think before you make comment. In order to measure trully it needs to be at least minimum 20% mwasured population. Your saying that your ty american diet and lifestyle has nothing to do with avg heights is a delusion. You constantly are giving us some random sources that measured very tiny ammount of people in a country over 300mill people. Your arguments are flawed and so are these sources you keep postig.Also never does it say that measurements are done barefoot, it only says to nearest 6mm etc..
edboy said on 11/Nov/19
AndrewV said on 10/Nov/19
This study compared the height and BMI values of Dutch and American adolescents from ages birth to 20 years old.

@ AndrewV, The Dutch's height in the data was 1999, too old, now its 2019, I think Dutch government should measure the newest generation.
edboy said on 11/Nov/19
QM6'1QM said on 1/Nov/19

Yes, we have some piece of guys 6'1+, but "almost head" and "6'3 in a swedish class" - it's too much for me. Still jokes about your basketball players friends, mrfunnyguy.

@QM6'1QM, you don't believe the average height of 20 Swedish high schoolers cannot reach 6'3? I think you underrate their height too much. Even in US, I can select 20 White/African students to reach 6'3, not basketball players, just regular students. mrfunnyguy and I made a statement: between the average height of the whole country and a high school(or a class) may be a big different. If I measure the average height of 200 Swedish young men and 20,000 ones, the result will be different.
Greg said on 10/Nov/19
@AndrewV but that’s the thing dude white males don’t average 5’10, maybe 5’9 range but considering people can get measured in the mornings+ shoes and get rounded up that skews things. A 5’10 guy would be above average. However I think once you get to 5’10.5-5’10.75+ that could be the start of tallish range, above average/tallish for sure. Surely if you include other races and age groups you’d get an average of 5’8-5’9 so 5’10 would be taller than that.
Greg said on 10/Nov/19
@Vitto yeah I figured, you’re not wrong though there’s a few nut cases on here. As for Canson he’s reasonable and fair but he can bout heads with posters sometimes, it’s happened with him and I many years ago but a lot of misunderstandings also happen on this forum, no worries I don’t get offended easily.
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Mickie said on 10/Nov/19
As far as 192 cm being "exceptionally" tall... maybe not, but it's more than just "tall" imo. I live in the US (Boston) and here I'd say for adult men it's approximately:

Over 6'0" - tall
Over 6'3" - very tall
Over 6'6" - exceptionally tall

Under 5'8" - short
Under 5'5" - very short
Under 5'2" - exceptionally short
Greg said on 10/Nov/19
@Bego you’re right and you’re wrong at the same time. You’re right when you say the European average is higher than American. However many years ago it used to be the opposite, the Dutch where one of the shortest races ever and then due to improvement in diet they started to get better genetic sand yeah exercising helps. But honestly many people stereotype Americans, we are not all fat and lazy and the food isn’t exactly “garbage” there’s a decent healthy or good choices to empty calories ratio or how you described it “garbage” but overall I think the average for young males is increasing. The people here that say 5’10 is the average male height in America be it for white males or not are full of it. Only select few European countries have 5’10-5’11 averages and even that’s up for debates.
viper said on 10/Nov/19
I just don't see 5-10 as the average with white millennials.

It looks no more than 5-9 IMO
AndrewV said on 10/Nov/19
This study compared the height and BMI values of Dutch and American adolescents from ages birth to 20 years old. The Dutch participants all had two ethnic Dutch parents or one ethnic Dutch parent and one parent of other Western European origin. The American participants only counted native born Americans who were white and black, Asian-Americans and Hispanic-Americans were excluded. This study uses measured data from American and Dutch national health databases, where heights are derived from barefoot measurements taken by a stadiometer: Click Here

White and Black Americans at 20 years old averaged 177.8cm for guys and 164.7cm for girls. Their Dutch counterparts averaged 183.4cm for guys and 170.4 for girls.

Look, I think you all get the picture lol, the average for young Americans with a European background has peaked at 5'10" for men and 5'5" for women for decades, and there is a plethora of evidence and data to support that.
AndrewV said on 10/Nov/19
This study took measured heights from 1,686 American students attending nine universities across the country. The participants were 18-24 years old and 76.6% were white, 10.1% were black, 3.2% were Latino/Hispanic, 5% were Asian/Pacific Islander, 4.8% identified as "other" or mixed race. Medical research personnel measured participants' barefoot heights with a wall-mounted stadiometer and compared the results with self-reported height: Click Here

Young men measured 5'10" (standard deviation: 2.7") while young women measured 5'4.8" (standard deviation: 2.6"). If we go by standard deviation, around 6'0.5" for men and 5'7.5" for women would be the start of legit tall on a majority white college campus. Again, this data 100% matches up with my personal experience attending an American university, as do the CDC reports.
AndrewV said on 10/Nov/19
Here's another anthropometric study conducted by the US Air Force where they measured subjects in their barefeet with a stadiometer. This study was conducted for the purpose of designing clothing, military equipment, and vehicles that would tailor to the ergonomic needs of the American population, so the data is almost certainly accurate: Click Here

White American men ages 20-29 average 178.8cm, which is also consistent with the CDC's anthropometric reports.
AndrewV said on 10/Nov/19
@Visitor
Statistically, 17% of white men ages 20-39 are 185cm+ while only 10% of the general population is that height or taller. Taking it one inch further to 6'2, ~9-%10% of young whites are 188cm+ while only 5% of the general population reaches that height. It's a very noticeable and obvious difference in distribution, just take a walk around a majority white campus and then go to a Walmart on a busy day for comparison. Again, you've contradicted yourself, you claim that height follows a normal distribution and then claim that changing the mean won't change the distribution, which it absolutely does since a normal distribution is determined by mean and standard deviation.
AndrewV said on 10/Nov/19
The idea that White Americans are shorter than other European and Euro descended countries (outside of the Netherlands, Scandinavia, Germany, Balkans, etc.) because of worse diet and lifestyle just simply isn't true. Average height is really only affected by environmental factors if you're living in a country suffering from chronic malnutrition and pestilence. Height is mostly determined by genetics and White Americans have consistently measured 5'10", just the same as White Aussies, Brits, Irish, etc.

Certain European nationalities, like the Dutch and Danes, are taller mostly due to genetics. As another example, many countries in the Balkans have suffered decades of social unrest, poverty, and war yet still have averages over 180cm.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 10/Nov/19
@Visitor

That's the whole reason why I don't buy the average height being 5'10 because if it was, then 6'0 would only be above average height, but most people generally agree that it's the start of tall. So, the average height must be closer to 5'8-5'9 range. Also, Person111 is selectively biased and is citing only young Caucasian men, but average height is inclusive of all ethnicities. So, I'm tired of going back and forth with this debate, the fact is 5'10 is objectively above average height. You can't say that 6'0 is tall and that the average is 5'10, that's only 2 inches.
Grayloth said on 10/Nov/19
@mrfunnyguy

Nothing has changed since the 90s regarding average height in Sweden (and many other western countries for that matter). It peaked during that decade. These dramatic changes you are talking about happened after world war 2 and mainly in the 60s and 70s when Sweden grew into one of the worlds richest countries.
You have a genetic limit of how tall you are gonna get and you will reach that genetic limit if you get to eat yourself full and be free of major deseases which people in Sweden have been able to the last 40 years.

I donno what else to say. I have provided you with alot of solid evidence that the average height for swedish men are around 180-181 cm and you still seem to think the average height is 5-6 cm taller than it really is. Has it ever occured to you that you aren't very good at judging other peoples height?
Loman2 said on 10/Nov/19
Anyone think there's some unconscious, subtle 'racism' when it comes to height averages? I know a lot of White American men vent about being 'small' at 175-180cm, and yes they may be below average/solid average amongst their young white peers (who are 179 pushing 180)...but if you look at the statistics including young Asians and Hispanics...the average comes out closer to 175/6cm.

When young white men say they're 'below average' at 177cm, I can't help but think they're only comparing themselves to their own ethnicity. By all means say 'I'm below average for white guys my age'...but you're NOT below average for men your age! Why ignore the other ethnicities?
AndrewV said on 10/Nov/19
@Jdubbz
I was looking for another word to describe something that's more than just "very tall" (which is 95th-98th percentile for me), perhaps "exceptional" wasn't the best word to use. 192cm is about 98th percentile around young whites, so it's not really a common height.

@MartinsJ
You'll be within average range most of the time, but there will be many instances where you'll feel like you're on the shorter end of average.

@Visitor
You just proved my point. White Americans have similar averages to majority white European countries like Ireland and the UK, ie 177-178cm on average. A higher average will absolutely skew the distribution higher, that's literally how a normal distribution works. The distribution for a mean of 178cm will absolutely be different from a mean of 175cm, you'd have to add/subtract 3cm to get an equivalent percentile when comparing the two.

@Bego
Of course 1 in 5 won't mean much when you're in a small group setting, but it is very much relevant if you're in a large crowd or talking about statistics. When I'm walking through campus surrounded by crowds of people going to class, every 5th white guy I come across is my height or taller, which exactly corroborates with the statistics.

All of the stats and my experience show that the average white guy in their 20s and 30s is indeed a solid 5'10". Personal anecdotes are largely useless without data to contextualize it. Greg, Bobby, etc. may live in diverse areas with a lot of minorities or elderly people, so 5'9" may indeed be average for their purposes. For me, I live in a majority white area and associate with young white so a 5'10" average is what is materially relevant given my circumstances.

@Cmillz
As I mentioned before, I couldn't find another word to describe a height in the 98th percentile. For me very tall is 95th-98th percentile, any height pass that range becomes more rare. 167cm is objectively 5th percentile around 20-39 year old white men based on every piece of statistical data I posted from the US, Switzerland, Australia, etc. It's not that rare of a height in the general population, but you're going to feel quite short at 167cm if you're on a college campus or in a nightclub. You might just have a selection bias where you notice very short and very tall men more often than those who fall closer to the mean; 189cm and 167cm being in the top and bottom 5% is totally accurate for my campus.

For fun here's another anthropometric study from a majority black and white US campus showing the average height to be 177.8cm for men and 164.3cm for women: Click Here
Emil said on 10/Nov/19
@Big Ben

I'm not even surprised tbh. It's just hard to assess someone's height on TV, but it's quite evident that Åkkesson is 175-176 cm tall at the most
AndrewV said on 10/Nov/19
I really don't understand why people can't accept an average of 5'10" for young white guys when literally every anthropometric report with measured barefoot heights in multiple majority white countries consistently shows this. 5'9" is only the average height when older people and shorter minorities make up over 50% of the total sample size as in the CDC report. Considering most of you are white men and live in majority white areas, the 5'9" national average would not be representative of the people you're commonly around. If you're a white lad living in a western country, 5'10" is solid average. Not tall, tallish, or above average, but bang average range and there's nothing wrong with that. Even Rob agrees that the average height for young British guys is nearer 5'10" than 5'9".
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 10/Nov/19
@MartinsJ

I would class that as average height, most big 5'8 guys are going to give off a 5'9 impression and will look average to others around them. I've been going back and forth with Person111 who can't seem to grasp that 5'10 is above average height for Canada and is well above 50th percentile. It is 65-66 percentile. She also can't seem to grasp that she's above average at 5'6. She's the equivalent of a 5'11 guy.
AndrewV said on 10/Nov/19
@Person111

I go to UNC, not exactly "Deep South" like Ole Miss or Alabama but the laid back southern culture, the (often fake) hospitality, and racism are still here though, just not as pronounced.

@Visitor

How did I bend the stats to suit my opinion? I've said over and over that the CDC figures I presented almost exactly match up with my experiences. Of course white men aren't anywhere near 6' on average, they're 5'10". 2 inches is a huge difference when talking about mean height in a population.

Also, how is 90th percentile rare? You could make that case for 95%+ but one in ten is by no means exceptional. As for 75th and 25th percentiles being tall or short, it's a matter of perspective. Personally, I feel they're more of a tallish/shortish range since every 4th person you come across will be taller/shorter than you. One standard deviation above/below average (84th and 16th percentiles) is what counts as legit tall/short for me.
175cmandhappy said on 10/Nov/19
@ Vsquad yes height in shoes really is irrelevant. Especially for women - a woman at my work who I've always guessed was around 5'6 or 5'7 for years wore flat shoes, then she came in one day with crazy 4 inch heels and was walking around at about 5'11. Its weird seeing someone so tall after seeing them being only slightly above average women's height for years and years. And for guys - well the average trainer/sneaker/dress shoe adds about 1 inch. Myself as a guy in the UK I've always found to be average at 5'9, but walking around at 5'10 in shoes there is a slight but not much notable difference. But when someone asks my height I never think of "in shoes" so I just say 5'9 even if I'm out and about in shoes at 5'10. Plus guessing anyone's height is hard in shoes or out - when I ask people to guess my height I get estimates as low as 5'8, and as high as 5'11. And that is people who have known me for years, in and out of shoes :)
Person111 said on 10/Nov/19
@Visitor - 95th percentile isn't rare at all. It only sounds like a daunting statistic, but it's 1 in 20 people who are that height. 1 in 20 isn't rare...it's not 1 in 20,000. You probably walk by a few hundred people per week in public. That means at least some of them were that height. Even at 97th percentile, that's 1 in 30 people. Again, you probably see at least a few people of that height per week.
Person111 said on 10/Nov/19
@Bobby – wearing 1.5 inches shoes doesn’t translate into being 1.5 inches taller. I’ve measured myself wearing 1 inch sneakers and it actually only gives me 0.5 inches in height from my barefoot height. The height of your shoe doesn’t translate into that height gained onto your stature. Rob has an article explaining this titled “Ladies Heel Heights Explained”.

I’ve tested this myself. It actually takes quite a thick shoe to gain an actual 1 inch in height. It’s only when I wear a super thick 2.25 inch shoe to get me to 5’7. So it actually takes about a 2 inch shoe to gain only 1 inch in height. The average person doesn’t wear shoes that thick. Most people’s shoes only give them 0.5 – 1 inch max in height, unless they’re wearing massively thick shoes. A 5’10 guy can’t get to 6’0 unless he’s literally wearing 3 inch high heels.

Objectively, 5'10 doesn’t look above average. It’s practically indistinguishable from 5’9. US statistics of white Americans shouldn’t be wildly different than Canada, so that’s why I have no problems using theirs because my experience confirms their data. In fact, most first world white majority countries have pretty much the same average height.

95th percentile is not actually rare. It sounds like a daunting statistic, but that’s 1 in 20 people who are that height. Given a random sample of 100 people you encounter, around 5 should be that height. That’s 5% of people, not rare at all. I take public transit daily just like you. I see 5’9+ women (or 6’2+ men) about once every few days, sometimes daily, sometimes more. That completely lines up with the 5% statistic. I don’t know why only see these people only on occasion. At the very worst case, you should see one once per week.

I thought it was established long ago that we’re talking specifically white millennials. That’s the majority of the posters here. I’m not excluding others to make a point – I know whites aren’t the only people. If we’re discussing average height, it doesn’t make sense for people here (mostly white millennials) to compare themselves to the average height when that statistic includes shorter demographics that they’re not a part of, and not genetically similar to.
Sean william Winter said on 10/Nov/19
bobby how would you feel if you lost 3 inches of hieght. a guy on youtube who has multiple myeloma a type of cancer that weakens the bones and he went from 174 cm to 167 cm. and its permanent hieght loss. i have blood condition that can become myeloma. so i get blood tests every 6 months. i just hope i dont get this disease as it will crumble your bones. that is the least of worries its a type of cancer. but. i cant imagine being 5'7 id hate it. and the bad thing is there really is no way to regain that lost hieght becuase surgery fuses your spine and its permanently shorter. also 5'10 is 60th percentile not 65.
Bobby 5'10 (1.78m) said on 10/Nov/19
@Person111

Greg is correct. Being 5'10 places you in 65th percentile. And no, being 5'11 actually means you're 70-72 percentile, around there. As 6'0 is generally accepted to be 83rd percentile. I don't think you understand how percentiles work. The jump between an inch isn't that big.
c-mo said on 10/Nov/19
average range is 179 - 184 cm at night . 177-178 is a bit shortish and 185-186 is a bit tallish . 176cm and below is short , 170 and below is very short , 187 and over is tall

thats how it is
mrfunnyguy said on 10/Nov/19
@Nik Ashton That's pretty cool lol, though it wouldn't be unusual for an older woman to be around 5'8 in my country, but maybe a man who is 5'3. Last year I saw a really old woman walk past me, who was clearly taller than me, and I'm 6'1. Everyday I see young girls though who are taller than me, maybe 4-5 per day if not more.

@Grayloth Actually there are sports where it could be beneficial to be below average, but I don't know if it's like that in those that you wrote about. The reason why medium sized clothes are for men who are shorter than 186-187cm is maybe because it's only in the recent years that the average height has become so mega tall for some reason. Almost all of my friends wear size large clothes, and it's rare for swedish men to wear clothes with the size small, even though it should be just as often as large if the average is really 181 or 182. Normal sized beds could still be 200cm long, since most men are not THAT tall, even if the average is as tall as i think it is, around 6'1.5.
I suppose I could bring a yardstick to a store to measure the tapes, but I don't know if really need to, because I notice that they are on different heights in different stores. So some of them obviously are incorrect.
cmillz said on 10/Nov/19
@AndrewV
LMAO, there’s nothing “exceptionally tall” about 192cm, nor would 167cm be considered “very short”. You’re taking it a bit too far now. And you’re telling me that on average, for every 100 white guys I see in their 20s-30s, only five will be 167cm? I’m sorry, but that’s BS.
Vitto said on 10/Nov/19
@Canson Let me explain, I wrote a message to you that didn't go through on this page because I said a bad word (not referring to you) in which I explained that people on here sometimes should be more well-mannered and polite like I am. I wasn't referring to Greg either. I don't know what you meant, though.
Visitor said on 10/Nov/19
Also, percentiles don't actually tell anything about HOW tall something is. Statistically, the difference between 180 and 182 cm is large, but the difference in actual height is small enough to actually be hard to tell apart. Above average means above average, it's not measured in inches or cm.
Bego said on 10/Nov/19
White man in North America are on avg at least few cm's bellow European avg. Reasons are, diet and lifestyle, you cant deny that. North American food is garbage and people are mostly lazy having sedentary lifestyle. And some of you expect avg to be 5'10" like in Europe? Greg knows it perfectly and many others who know exactly how it is.

@AndrewV One thing that crosses my mind about your mention of 1 in 5 being tall or taller than you. That doesnt have to make avg to be as high as you said, what if guys in between those 1 in 5 are as short as 165cm to 175cm and theres only fewer 178cm along those 183cm or taller than make those 1 in 5? Do some math and calculate, i know height when i see it. 1 in 5 mean nothing.
Visitor said on 10/Nov/19
@AndrewV
The demographics part is basically only a US thing. How many "Asians" or "Blacks" do you think there are in Ireland or Germany? People in Spain are (I suppose) also "Hispanic", but they are taller than people in Mexico. However, the average male height in Ireland looks to be 177 cm (ages 20-49, so, young).

Anyway, the point still is that when you get beyond 180 cm, the chances of being much taller drop off sharply. Changing the average doesn't change the distribution. Being 180 cm is much more common these days than before, but the chances of being 185 cm haven't changed nearly as much. That's what I meant when I said it's not linear.
You don't appear to think that, but many do. So many people claim so often that this or that person is 6'2" or 6'3" and it's just not plausible that almost everyone would be in the top 10% !
Vsquad said on 10/Nov/19
People seriously overestimate how tall they are in shoes.

For some reason everyone thinks that Air Force 1s make you super tall, when in reality they barely give you more than one inch of height (3cm MAX). That's why I don't like AF1s, they look too bulky for a shoe that doesn't really make you that tall.

Even in general people make a big deal out of shoes making them 1 inch taller... like lol that's nothing to be excited about. Everyone else wears 1 inch shoes too, big deal.
Jdubbz said on 10/Nov/19
@AndrewV:

192cm is exceptionally tall? You're saying a guy who isn't even 6'4 is exceptionally tall? That makes no sense bro. I don't know how other people here feel, but I wouldn't label a guy as exceptionally tall unless they were well north of 2 meters.
MartinsJ said on 9/Nov/19
Hey Rob,
How would 5'8.5 afternoon height be regarded in the UK and the US? (Particularly UK)
Editor Rob
I'm sure a good proportion class it as average, whilst another proportion probably view it as short...what these proportions are however, is something that you'd probably need to ask in a survey.
Person111 said on 9/Nov/19
@AndrewV - if you don't mind telling us, which school in the south do you go to? Or which state?
Vitto said on 9/Nov/19
@Canson Ok, no problem. Thanks for your apology.
AndrewV said on 9/Nov/19
@Nik

This chart was for white men in their 20s and 30s. 167cm would be 5th percentile around that demographic, the equivalent tall height would be 189cm.
Visitor said on 9/Nov/19
If that specifically matters to someone, I've seen many, many statistics saying an average height of MUCH less than 6 foot for "young WHITE males". I've seen one specifically for the US, and many others for various European countries (where the overwhelming majority just simply is white.)

Bobby said this below, but the 90+ percentiles, let alone 95, are SO incredibly rare that the'yre meaningless in general terms like discussed here. For example, about 2 or 3 percent of men are over 190 cm. Being that tall just is not common, at all.
Being in the 75th percentile should qualify as "tall" no problem. That means comfortably taller than the great majority of men (let alone all people). Same for what's "short", well, in the 25th percentile obviously. As a general rule of thumb.

But you can't just twist and bend the measured statistics to suit your opinion. What's the point of that?
Vitto said on 9/Nov/19
@Greg I don't have an issue with you either, I was just replying to you saying that people on here (not you) should be well-mannered and polite but it seems like Canson misunderstood me thinking I was calling you rude. That's NOT the case. Thanks for your understanding.
Sakz said on 9/Nov/19
@Visitor That's true, therefore the average hasn't really gone up in that time. In some places it might seem like the average has gone up because you see taller people
Grayloth said on 9/Nov/19
"@grayloth Btw, if you say that there are sometimes 5 or even 10 guys in a row who are 190cm tall, then there has to be sometimes 5 or 10 guys in a row who are 170cm tall if the average is really 180cm. It's so typical of people here in Sweden to say that the average is 180cm but that "most people are above average" or something like that. There are obviously more swedish guys who are around 190cm than 170cm, but STILL people want to say that the average is 180cm."

Yes, there will ofc be 5-10 people who are around 170 cms in a row aswell. The average height of swedish men have been calculated both with self-reported and measured heights, and it's around 180 cms. And height is normal distributed so there are equally as many 170 cm men as there are 190 cms. The number of guys who's 190 cm or taller in Sweden is about 8-9 %.

There is no way that the average height is as tall as 186 cm. It doesn't add up at all. I think you have a height complex and insecurities and because of that are seeing things. If the average height would be that tall normal sized beds wouldn't be 200 cms tall (I am 191 cms myself and always refered to as a tall, and I almost sleep with my toes outside of the bed), mediumsized clothes wouldn't fit swedish men and swedish men wouldn't be able to drive normal cars. It would have been noticed by people in general but it hasn't because average height is not that tall.

Just to give you another example, I looked up the average height of some of the football teams in Sweden and Djurgårdens IF who won the swedish championship this year had an average height of 181.5 cm excluding goalkeepers (who all usually are tall) and foreigners. IFK Göteborg had an average height of 180 cms excluding goalkeepers and foreigners (people of non-nordic european ethnicity). Many others had similar figures averaging around 182 cms. The tallest club had an average of 184 cms I think.

I also looked up the hockey teams and most of the hockeyteams had an average height of about 183 cms with the tallest team having an average of just under 185 cm excluding goalkeepers and the shortest were 181 cms. Some examples are Modo Hockey averaging of 181, Luleå HC 181, Djurgården Hockey 182 and
Linköping HC averaging 184 cms.

Keep in mind also that athletes usually are taller than average and especially short people can't compete on equal terms which makes the average a little skewed.


And by the way, when you are trying to compare your height against a height tape and already look as stupid as you do, why don't you bring a yardstick to check at which height those height tapes are? I asked the people in the grocery store if it was OK to measure the height of the tapes and they looked a little surprised and smiled questionly but you will have to take that.
Nik Ashton said on 9/Nov/19
@ c-mo - Your height chart is about right, for basketballland!
Nik Ashton said on 9/Nov/19
@ 175cmandhappy - The worldwide average for men is probably more like 5’7”, at tops! In Canada the average is about 5’8.75”, in the UK it is about 5’9”, and in the USA it is about 5’9.25”! 👌
Nik Ashton said on 9/Nov/19
👌😷😁😬🤪🍺 Error report! 🍺🤪😬😁😷👌

In the top line I meant to say “I have recently seen” and in the line below I meant to say “a young guy of about 5’3”!
Nik Ashton said on 9/Nov/19
@ mrfunnyguy - I recently seen an older woman of about 5’8” in public and a guy of about 5’3” walked straight past her. I have noticed a few similar situations.

I often see a couple made up of a man and a woman who are both about 5’4”, this is exceptionally common amongst older people.
Nik Ashton said on 9/Nov/19
@ c-mo - The dictionary definition of average ain’t short!
AndrewV said on 9/Nov/19
@Bego All of the data uses representative sample sizes for each population. Even if we were to account for measurements taken earlier in the day, the difference is at most 0.5cm considering that many people visit the doctor in the afternoon and early evening.
AndrewV said on 9/Nov/19
@Visitor

You're right that mean height has stagnated since the 1970s in western countries (in fact, the CDC data and other countries' studies I posted show this), but white men in their 20s and 30s are considerably taller than other demographics except for Black Americans. I don't know what to tell you if you find it hard to believe that white males aren't taller than other groups of people. I'm Asian-American and I grew up in a neighborhood that's mostly Asian and Hispanic, the difference between how I felt there and at my majority white college in the South is literally day and night. At 6'0.5" I was usually the tallest person in most social contexts (at least 95th percentile) when I was living in California. Here at my school, every one in five men I come across is around my height or taller, 1 in 4 white men are a weak 6'0" or taller. Again, the CDC stats I posted reflect my personal experiences 100%: Young white men are 6cm taller than young Asians/Hispanics, 1cm taller than young blacks, and 3cm taller than white men over 60 years old.

I understand how a normal distribution works, you're just using the mean height of the general male population (175cm) that includes the elderly and shortish minorities. ~5cm above or below average would put you at the 75th or 25th percentiles, respectively. With that said, 182-183cm is 75th percentile among young white men since they average 178cm; nearly 40% of young white men are 180cm or taller. 183cm is 83rd percentile if we go by the 175cm national average, with 180cm being 75th percentile. The CDC data I posted also reflects this.

@Greg

No one disagrees that 5'10" is above average in the grand scheme of things, but since most of the posters here are young white men in the West who generally associate with and live among other young whites, 5'10" would be bang average for them. Again, 5'10" is only 65th percentile if you include shorter minorities and older people. Height is contextual, a 5'10" white lad is bang average but a 5'10" Filipino would be very tall. If you live in a very diverse area with whites being a minority, then you could make the case for 5'10" being above average or tallish, but this is likely not the case for most people here.
ajax509 said on 9/Nov/19
Person111 said on 9/Nov/19
@Vitto – A 5’11 woman is equivalent to a 6’4 man. Determining gender equivalent heights is easy. Males are universally on average 5 inches taller than females. So to get your female equivalent height, subtract 5 inches off your height. Females add 5 inches to get their male height.

5’9 man = 5’4 woman
5’10 man = 5’5 woman
6’1 man = 5’8 woman
6’3 man = 5’10 woman
etc
---
Your table makes no sense, the height difference is proportional. It's 5 inches if both are of average height.
Canson said on 9/Nov/19
Vitto said on 9/Nov/19
@Ajax 1. You are confused and I am NOT sexually confused. I know exactly what I am. But I don't want to talk about my gender identity like you do because that's a site dedicated to heights so what I am doesn't matter AT ALL.
2. I didn't call you a troll, I was calling trolls the other 2. I don't have to explain myself, though.
@Canson I NEVER said Greg isn't well-mannered and polite I said I AM like that. Because Bego said bad words to me and you replied 'there is worse..' so I said I expect people to be well-mannered and polite referring to Bego. But I don't want to argue with anyone so I am not going to reply anymore. Since you both misunderstood.

@Vitto: I misunderstood. And I apologize. I didn’t mean it that way either.
Canson said on 9/Nov/19
@C-Mo: you are average not short. We have to remember that most heights that are used in this data are self-reported and some are morning, shoe, falsified etc. Bobby is going to be above average being around 5’10”
Person111 said on 9/Nov/19
@Greg, stop saying 5'10 is 65th percentile. That would mean 5'11 would be 80th percentile and 6'0 95th percentile.
Person111 said on 9/Nov/19
Visitor said on 9/Nov/19
There's no really significant difference in height between "young white males" and something else. People in general have become taller in the last 100 years, but not in the last 10 or 20 years.
____________

The average height is caclulated by including every demographic, including the elderly. It's not a significant difference, but a noticeable one. An average-height person would much more commonly feel taller in a senior's home than on a college campus. White millennials are taller than their parent's generation, but both are included in the average height caclulations.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 9/Nov/19
@C-Mo

Dude, who cares what everyone else is saying? It's about how you feel at your height. The naysayers can go hang.
Vitto said on 9/Nov/19
@Person111 I was actually getting my male equivalent height since I was born a woman and I am a hair under 5'11 in the afternoon (5'10 7/8) but a lot of people told me I can claim 5'11.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 9/Nov/19
@Person111

It's not unusual, it's just what happens out and about. Also, that statement about shoes is blanketed. Some people wear smaller footwear, under an inch, and others more than an inch. I wouldn't say the differences are negated. If a 5'10 guy wears 1.5-inch shoes, he's going to be 5'11.5 and many people will think he's around 5'11 if not guess him that tall. Even better, suppose you have two guys who are the same height and let's suppose they are both 5'10. One guy wears a 0.75-inch shoe and the other guy wears a 1.5-inch shoe, meaning that the latter guy has a 0.75-inch advantage in footwear. So, physically, they are the same height but when they are out and about, some people who are keen on height are going to think that the latter guy is 5'11 instead because he'd give off a 5'11 (5'10.75) impression. So, suffice to say, I would take that shoe statement with a grain of salt. Not everyone wears exactly 1-inch footwear. Some people wear more and others less. In fact, if a 5'10 guy wears a big boot that takes him up to 6'0, he's going to look the same height as most 5'11 guys even if he isn't that tall barefoot.

And objectively, 5'10 is above average. If you tally up the average male height in every country and then average it out to find the mean, then you're going to see that globally, the average man is around 5'8, although some posters here will testify that the average is closer to 5'7. So, I can't agree with you there either. You're the one who agrees that statistics are fairly reliable and I am giving you the stats right there. I once tallied up the average height of men in most, if not all countries and discovered an average height very close to 5'8 (5'7.9) and an average of 5'4 for women. I have since lost the spreadsheet for it but that research can be reproduced. The information is out there and available at your fingerprints. Additionally, you are considering the U.S average which is different from the Canadian average. We don't live in America, so their statistics don't matter to us. If you're going to be talking about statistics then you must reference Canadian statistics and I will be much more likely to believe what you are saying.

And alright, but let's consider it this way, a 5'9 woman is equivalent to a 6'2 man. Now, most sources put 6'2 in the 94-95 percentile which means that a 6'2 man is taller than 95% of men. Do you know how rare that is, even statistically speaking? For every inch above 6'0, the height becomes rarer and rarer. If I do see a 5'9 woman, which I can on some occasions, that doesn't reflect the average height of women at all. And here on CelebHeights, our definitions of above-average differ from yours. Being above average means that you are taller than average height men. A 5'11 guy is above average, even tallish because it's very close to 6'0, but 5'10 is above average because it's also close to 6'0. For every inch below 6'0, the more average it becomes. At two inches below 6'0, you're still above average, but once you approach 3-4 inches, you're approaching average height.

I'm not talking about the average white millennial, I am referring to all ethnicities, all men. The average height when you include everybody is around 5'9. You can't ignore other ethnicities just to make a point about average height, that's not how it works. You've gotta be inclusive to everybody. White people aren't the only people that exist in a country you know, there are other people around. You've been referring to white men, but I've been referring to just men. It seems like we're having a miscommunication here.
Greg said on 9/Nov/19
@Canson@Ajax first of all I just want to say you can’t fix stupid Ajax sorry buddy boy, I don’t claim 5’11 outside of celeb heights, here I specifically claim 5’10.5 or 179cm, I also never said I was a legit 5’11 guy, sure I would have loved to have been but unfortunately I likely stunted my growth. Maybe if I gain 1/4th-1/2th inch with these posture correction exercises I’ll claim 5’11 more confidently; but I would probably still have to say “around 5’11 since people on here would try to butcher me for a missing 1/4 inch 🥴 cannibals. Plus I’m often guessed at 5’11 by legit 5’11 guys and guys who are a bit taller you don’t know how many times I’ve gotten into debates “oh no you’re not 5’11 you must be taller “ rarely Has anyone said you must be shorter. Exactly I’m 5’10.5 in the afternoons and on relaxed days I can be over that Mark a bit. Also I can be 5’10 3/8ths for the most part of the day, and my low is 5’10.25 which I will drop after many hours of walking around unless I workout and lift heavy or something. Yeah I mean according to Rob I would be a very weak 5’11 and a very strong 5’10 since 5’10.4 a few hours after walking around is what I would measure so if we want to get technical I’m not legit but that’s Robs own words he would class me as a very weak 5’11 and a very strong 5’10.. also it’s kind of hard to figure out who’s taller than there’s about an inch difference unless you really put your mind to it, he’ll my 5’11 friend guessed me at 5’11 and my 5’9.25-3/8ths friend thinks we are about the same height lol so goes to show how hard It actually might be for the untrained eye. Also I was at the store the other day and tried to estimate the cashiers height he had taller proportions but his head was the size of a 5’11-6’0 guy yet I thought he might have been 5’9, but then I actually thought he could have been around 5’10-5’11 maybe but we looked about the same so he could have been my height, goes to show how it’s actually difficult judging someone’s height close to your side because we can’t see the top of our heads. Also had the same issue with this new trainer at my gym he looks somewhere in the 5’10-5’11 range he also styles his hair up could give a taller impression but realistically he might be about my height.
Greg said on 9/Nov/19
@Vitto again you’re a cool poster I don’t have an issue with you, if I’m being honest I only have issues with Ajax, Arthur, Andrea and a few others who have trolled or have tried to start stupid arguments with me. But unfortunately you can’t expect everybody to add civilized here.
Nik Ashton said on 9/Nov/19
@ AndrewV - 167 cm is NOT very short in the UK, it is just short. That’s like saying 183 cm is VERY tall.
Greg said on 9/Nov/19
@175cmandhappy yeah right 5’10 is above average globally and in most places too, only place where it’s below average is in some parts of Europe’s. In America 5’10 is actually 65th percentile.
Visitor said on 9/Nov/19
There's no really significant difference in height between "young white males" and something else. People in general have become taller in the last 100 years, but not in the last 10 or 20 years.

183 cm or more is still 82nd percentile (yes, even for young people, 25-29). That's how a normal distribution basically works. For every centimetre beyond 180 cm, it becomes increasingly rare for anyone to be that tall.
mrfunnyguy said on 9/Nov/19
@Person111 I would say say something more like this, since men are on average about 8.5 percent taller than women:
5'9 man= 5'3.5 woman
5'10 man= 5'4.5 woman
6'1 man= 5'7.25 woman
6'3 man= 5'8.75 woman
c-mo said on 9/Nov/19
@Bobby no . the height chart is legit . we have to be realistic ...I am short at 5'9.2 - 5'9.5 and you are a bit shortish . 5'9 is plain short nowdays
Person111 said on 9/Nov/19
Importer said on 7/Nov/19
@Person111
I wouldn’t call 6’2” male 5’9” female very tall, just tall or solid tall. Very tall is like 6’4” male 5’11” female.
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You're referring to rare tall vs simply very tall. 6’2 male and 5’9 female are indeed very tall heights, not just solid tall. 6'1 and 5'8 would be solid tall. 6'2 and 5'9 are both 97th percentile for their gender. Not extreme anomalies, but certainly the start of very tall. People of that height would usually be the tallest people in their gender in most situations. 6’4 males and 5’11 females are less than 1% of the population. That’s strikingly, rare tall.
Person111 said on 9/Nov/19
@Vitto – A 5’11 woman is equivalent to a 6’4 man. Determining gender equivalent heights is easy. Males are universally on average 5 inches taller than females. So to get your female equivalent height, subtract 5 inches off your height. Females add 5 inches to get their male height.

5’9 man = 5’4 woman
5’10 man = 5’5 woman
6’1 man = 5’8 woman
6’3 man = 5’10 woman
etc
Person111 said on 9/Nov/19
@Bobby – most young white females are at least 5’4, which I why I don’t feel above average. The average is 5’5, so 2 inches above that is 5’7, which is moderately tall for women. I said 2 inches is the difference between average and moderately tall, not outstandingly tall. If the average were 5’4, then 5’7 women would be strikingly tall, which they aren’t.

The average height in Canada for white millennials cannot possibly be in 5'8.5 (or 5’3.5 for women). That would mean they have a similar average height to Latin America, which is ridiculous.

Your definition of above average is not what most people think of when they hear that term. If your definition of above average is being only a little above 50th percentile, then almost half of people are above average. Above average doesn’t start until you’re at least moderately above average, like being 6’0 (or a 5’7 woman). Taller than all the average people, but shorter than all the tall people.
mrfunnyguy said on 9/Nov/19
@grayloth Btw, if you say that there are sometimes 5 or even 10 guys in a row who are 190cm tall, then there has to be sometimes 5 or 10 guys in a row who are 170cm tall if the average is really 180cm. It's so typical of people here in Sweden to say that the average is 180cm but that "most people are above average" or something like that. There are obviously more swedish guys who are around 190cm than 170cm, but STILL people want to say that the average is 180cm.
Big Ben said on 9/Nov/19
@Emil - He's not even 178-179. Jimmie Åkesson looked more 176 when I met him. In my picture with him I look like I'm like 9cm taller but he's losing a lot of height in the photo. Click Here
Vitto said on 9/Nov/19
@Ajax 1. You are confused and I am NOT sexually confused. I know exactly what I am. But I don't want to talk about my gender identity like you do because that's a site dedicated to heights so what I am doesn't matter AT ALL.
2. I didn't call you a troll, I was calling trolls the other 2. I don't have to explain myself, though.
@Canson I NEVER said Greg isn't well-mannered and polite I said I AM like that. Because Bego said bad words to me and you replied 'there is worse..' so I said I expect people to be well-mannered and polite referring to Bego. But I don't want to argue with anyone so I am not going to reply anymore. Since you both misunderstood.
Canson said on 9/Nov/19
Person111 said on 7/Nov/19
@Greg – no, he’s referring to US. 6’0 is 83rd percentile only in the general population, not white male millennials. 6'0 feels very tall in the general population, but only moderately tall in a mostly white school. As AndrewV mentioned, if young white males were truly only 5’8-5’9, that means they are similar in average height to South Koreans, which is absurd.

That’s interesting. I would’ve thought it was higher but it’s because of the sources that are used to arrive at the stats. Driver’s licenses shoe measurements on physicals and morning measurements on physicals or at home, in sports etc.
Canson said on 9/Nov/19
ajax509 said on 9/Nov/19
Vitto said on 7/Nov/19
@Person111 Thanks for your reply. What do you think is the equivalent male height of a 5'11 woman?
@Greg Ok, but as I told Canson, I am well-mannered and polite and expect the same from other people. I agree on Ajax and I don't know the other two trolls.
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6ft 4.5 or just over 194cm would be the male equivalent of a 5ft 11 woman.

@Vitto I know you're sexually confused, now you seem entirely confused.
If there's a troll, it's Greg. I objectively called him out on being a height liar, his 5ft 11 claim is simply ridiculous. If he's 5-11, Bobby's 5-10.5, and Rob 5-9...

Greg doesn’t claim 5’11” anymore. He claims 5’10 1/2”. He may say almost 5’11” because he measures 5’11” in the morning. He’s 5’10 1/4-3/8 at a low so I guess 1/2” is ok since he doesn’t fall all the way to 1/4”. Christian does the same. He claims 6’5 1/2 and he’s 6’5 3/8”. Everyone is different tho because I hit 193.8 some days 6’4.299 but other days when I’m more active 6’4.25 or a little below that and I claim 6’4 still. While I use my normal low Greg could get by with Rob’s standard of 5 hours where he would be 5’10 3/8-1/2. Do I think 5’11 is legit on this site? Probably not but 5’10 1/2” is ok
Bego said on 9/Nov/19
@Sean william Winter Thats what i mean, when you walk around at least notice people of other heights too than just taller ones. Shorter people are humans too, not aliens ffs. I used to be like that before, notice mostly guy so of my height and taller, thats when i thought avg here was 185cm lol, and then i was more height aware so i can certanly say avg here is nothing over or less than 180 or 181cm.
Bego said on 9/Nov/19
@Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) Person11 may have different experices depending on day, i know in my place some days there are more taller people than usuall, and other days there arent. We see different people every single day. Just because she had seen some 177-178cm guys doesnt right away mean avg is like that. Im more height ever than ever before. I notice people of all sorts of heights now, when i interact with someone i look them in the eyes, so thats how i exactly know how tall someone is very well.
Bego said on 9/Nov/19
@AndrewV Avg depends on number of measured people, wether its done in morning, afternoon and rare times at night. So take anything you posted as grain of salt.
Bill123 said on 9/Nov/19
Tall starts 6'5. Very tall starts at 6'8. 6 foot to 6 foot 4 is kinda tall.
mrfunnyguy said on 9/Nov/19
@grayloth @ezy Thanks for you replies. I have recently measured myself on a lot of height markings in stores, and I can say that maybe half of the times I seem to be as tall as I have been measured to before. The rest of the times I mostly get that I am like barely 182-183 cm in shoes, even though I have measured myself and others have measured me as 185.5 cm without shoes. I'm guessing that some stores measure where they place them and some just estimate.
Visitor said on 9/Nov/19
@AndrewV
Height distribution is not linear. About 25% of men are over 180 cm, but less than 10% are over 185 cm.

It doesn't make sense to refer to anything over 180 cm as "average".
Canson said on 9/Nov/19
Vitto said on 7/Nov/19
@Person111 Thanks for your reply. What do you think is the equivalent male height of a 5'11 woman?
@Greg Ok, but as I told Canson, I am well-mannered and polite and expect the same from other people. I agree on Ajax and I don't know the other two trolls.

Greg is also well-mannered and polite In my dealings with him over the past 4-5 years I’ve been here
ajax509 said on 9/Nov/19
Vitto said on 7/Nov/19
@Person111 Thanks for your reply. What do you think is the equivalent male height of a 5'11 woman?
@Greg Ok, but as I told Canson, I am well-mannered and polite and expect the same from other people. I agree on Ajax and I don't know the other two trolls.
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6ft 4.5 or just over 194cm would be the male equivalent of a 5ft 11 woman.

@Vitto I know you're sexually confused, now you seem entirely confused.
If there's a troll, it's Greg. I objectively called him out on being a height liar, his 5ft 11 claim is simply ridiculous. If he's 5-11, Bobby's 5-10.5, and Rob 5-9...
Grayloth said on 8/Nov/19
"mrfunnyguy said on 6/Nov/19
Do any of you swedes here know if the height markings in stores account for shoe height, and if they just place them where they estimate a certain height or actually measure where they place them?"

I actually emailed one of the companies which made "height tapes" some 5 years ago and asked them how they put up the tapes. The guy who replied said they instructed the stores to put them at the actual height from the ground (which means NOT INCLUDING SHOE HEIGHT for some reason). He said he usually use a yardstick and put a marking with a pen at the door for 180 cms and put the tape accordingly.

I figured I should see for my own at which height these tapes were and grabbed a yardstick and asked a couple of stores in my hometown if I could measure how accurately they had their height tapes. Most had them at the appropriate height (or in other words 180 cms on the tape was 180 cms from the ground) but some were off by several cms. Some had measured the height on the outside of the door where the ground level is lower than inside the store. While most were accurate some stores seemed to kinda half ass it.

One of the stores (with correct height tapes I might add) is a super market I visit frequently and a couple of years ago when me and my girlfriend only had one car she used to pick me up alot of times with the car after I have been shopping for groceries. And while I was waiting I tried, as a sport, to estimated the heights of people going in and out of the stores. And I can say with almost complete certainty that most men are around 180 cms give or take a couple of centimeters. But it can vary ofc. Sometimes there can be 5 or even 10 guys in a row around 190 cms but if you stay there for longer time (say 15-20 minutes) during rush hour, like I did, you will get a rough estimation of how tall people are.

I asked Rob some months ago if he knew how much you lose in height when walking and he said that you practicaly lose nothing while in midstride. So you could knock off a couple of cms if you are trying to judge peoples height in grocery stores since most shoes give around 2-2.5 cm but wintershoes and boots generally a little more.
AndrewV said on 8/Nov/19
Height chart for white men in America, the UK, Canada, etc.:

164: Exceptionally short
164cm-167cm: Very short
168cm-171cm: Legit short
172cm-173cm: Shortish, noticeably below average
174-175cm: Lower average
176cm-180cm: Solid Average
181cm-182cm: Upper Average
183cm-184cm: Tallish, noticeably above average
185cm-188cm: Solidly tall
189cm-192cm: Very tall
192: Exceptionally tall
Nik Ashton said on 8/Nov/19
@ Ali183 - Yip!
Bobby 5'10 (1.78m) said on 8/Nov/19
@C-Mo

Nah, I wouldn't say 5'10 is below average height, it's actually above average. I know you're just trolling to make fun of the ridiculous posters on here, but I've never felt short at my height.
Ezy said on 8/Nov/19
@mrfunnyguy
I actually don't know if they measure them, but I have measured myself(and have been measured) at 181, so about 183-184 in shoes and a lot of times i barely come up to the 180 mark(or even that with shoes) so either I have massively overmeasured myself by like 5cm or they simply don't measure it at all, im guessing the latter. They are also different from store to store
Animus said on 8/Nov/19
How tall/short are you all in comparison your family? It could be to fun to see if there is a pattern on the site.

I am 182½cm at night (basically 5'11⅞ or ~6'0 for practical purposes). My father, who is in his mid-50s, is 181cm, but was around my height when he was younger. My younger 18-year-old brother is 173cm. I wonder how tall he'll end up as he still looks far from adult in his development. I grew 2cm past 18, but maybe he'll grow to ~5'10 next summer.

Most men in the younger generations of my family are within the 5'10½-6'0 range (aligning with the national average of 5'11). I do have two cousins standing at 189cm and 192cm, though, and also one who is ~170cm. My paternal grandfather apparently stood at 190cm (never met him), whereas on the maternal side the men tended to be in the 173-179cm range, as far as I can tell.

What about you guys?
Canson said on 8/Nov/19
@Greg: he’s banned a few permanently in the past.
Nik Ashton said on 7/Nov/19
@ khaled taban - I struggle to see that the average man in America is 5’9.5” if this is the average for white men under the age of 40. The oldest of these men are 22 years into adulthood and the life expectancy in the USA is 77 for men, which is 37 years over 40. Of course there are millions of men over 77 in the USA too and millions of men who aren’t white too, as you know.
AndrewV said on 7/Nov/19
5'9" is not a particularly rare height for a woman at all, about 1 in 20 young white women are 5'9+ in the US. Very tall, but not exceptionally so.
AndrewV said on 7/Nov/19
@Greg

"So I’m saying I don’t believe in how they gathered the data because it’s not always measured or they could say it is but there’s really not much credibility unless we give them the benefit of the doubt."

If you look at the methodology, they measured people in their barefeet with a stadiometer, I can't see how it could get any more accurate than that. Why would the CDC lie about using actual measurements in their anthropometric data? Data like this is valuable in, among other things, assessing health risk, designing furniture/clothing/infrastructure to meet people's needs, etc.
AndrewV said on 7/Nov/19
@Bego

The CDC measurements are taken in barefeet with a stadiometer, what better method do you suggest? It's very clear that much of the anecdotes on this site are jaded by personal bias.
AndrewV said on 7/Nov/19
All anthropometric studies across multiple majority white/anglo countries have consistently shown the average to be a solid 5'10"-5'10.5" for young white men. Considering that the vast majority of people who frequent this site are young white men who generally live and associate with other white people, you're dead average if you're 5'10". 5'10" is only above average if you're around older people and shorter minorities.

White South Africans 18-24 average 179.3cm: Click Here

White Australians 18-30 average 178.8cm: Click Here

White Canadians 20-39 average 178.4cm: Click Here, you can adjust the data table to change the age group to 20-39 with height percentiles.

English men 25-34 average 178.4cm: Click Here, heights are in the file names "Health Survey for England, 2017: Adult health-tables

Belgian men at 18 years old average 179.5: Click Here

Scottish men 25-34 average 178.2cm: Click Here

Swiss conscripts at 18-20 years old average 178.2cm: Click Here

White New Zealanders 19-30 average 177.8cm: Click Here, page 307

These are all barefoot heights measured with a stadiometer.
Person111 said on 7/Nov/19
@Greg – no, he’s referring to US. 6’0 is 83rd percentile only in the general population, not white male millennials. 6'0 feels very tall in the general population, but only moderately tall in a mostly white school. As AndrewV mentioned, if young white males were truly only 5’8-5’9, that means they are similar in average height to South Koreans, which is absurd.
Person111 said on 7/Nov/19
@Bobby – everyone wears shoes, so the net effect is negated. It’s unusual that you don’t see more 5’10 guys. In a first world, non-tall country like Canada, you should be seeing more. The fact that you don’t does not make 5’10 an objectively above average height; it only means other guys are below average in height. Most men are above 5’8 and below 6’0, so there’s nothing more average than 5’10.

As AndrewV mentioned, if white male millennials truly averaged only 5’8-5’9, that means they’re similar in height to South Koreans, which is absurd. It also means white female millennials only average 5’3-5’4, which is equally absurd. You see 5’9 women “once in a blue moon” which is statistically impossible given you probably walk by thousands of women per month and none are that height. Statistically, it should take you no less than 2-3 days to encounter a very tall person. Your other experiences of height are also rather strange, which I why I believe my (and other people here who share my experiences) are closer to the accurate average.
AndrewV said on 7/Nov/19
@Greg
I'm referring to white and black men ages 20-39 specifically, where 5'10" is 50th percentile and 6'0" is 75th percentile. 6'0" is 83rd percentile in the general male population among all age groups and ethnicities.

@Bobby 1.78m
You could have a selection bias where you notice shorter men more or you might just live in an area with shorter minorities. Personal anecdotes can be helpful at times, but they are of course almost always subject to personal biases, which is why we need to rely on measured anthropometric data to get an accurate picture of average height. Of course no one's going to call a 5'10" man small, it's a totally average height.
Importer said on 7/Nov/19
@Person111
I wouldn’t call 6’2” male 5’9” female very tall, just tall or solid tall. Very tall is like 6’4” male 5’11” female.
175cmandhappy said on 7/Nov/19
5'10 IS average at best. Worldwide at least, for a guy. I would even argue slightly lower. You should all take a look at this - Click Here
Vitto said on 7/Nov/19
@Person111 Thanks for your reply. What do you think is the equivalent male height of a 5'11 woman?
@Bobby Thanks for your reply. If you wanna reply to the question above for Person111 is the same for me, I am just curious to know.
@Greg Ok, but as I told Canson, I am well-mannered and polite and expect the same from other people. I agree on Ajax and I don't know the other two trolls.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 7/Nov/19
@Person111

It's not bizarre. It's a reality that I have. I wouldn't say Toronto seriously lacks tall people, I just don't come across them very often. Just because I don't see them doesn't mean they're not out there. But that's not my point. The others here who share your opinion are fine, but I don't share that opinion. Greg doesn't either, and he's the more height obsessed compared to me.

If most young white women are 5'4 and you're 5'6, then you should be feeling above average, although by your logic, 5'6 should be tall because 2 inches is such a huge difference after all. That's not how above-average works, being above average is edging out average height people, if you're noticeably above the average, you're not just above average, you're tall. And I would say the average height is closer to 5'8.5 in Canada, maybe 5'9 at a push.

Andrew has his own thoughts and feelings, but they are his own. They are not mine. Also, Greece is in Eastern Europe, not Southern Europe.
Person111 said on 6/Nov/19
@Littlelee5ft6 - The Tall Club is for very tall people, not moderately tall people. That's why the requirement is 6'2 for men and 5'10 for women. Not moderately tall heights like 6'0 men and 5'7 women.
mrfunnyguy said on 6/Nov/19
Do any of you swedes here know if the height markings in stores account for shoe height, and if they just place them where they estimate a certain height or actually measure where they place them?
c-mo said on 6/Nov/19
ok enough with the cope from us all especially Nik , me , Greg , Bobby

this is the real height chart for men

170 and below = very short

176 and below = short

177 - 178 cm = borderline short

179 - 184 cm = average

185 - 186 cm = borderline tall

187 - 192 cm = tall
Ali183 said on 5/Nov/19
@Nik Ashton do you like my name?
cmillz said on 5/Nov/19
@Rob
If possible, it would be nice if you could give users the option to edit/delete comments.
Editor Rob

I'm just trying to keep the site earning enough at the moment (which is a time consuming task)...not even thinking about a code rewrite like that, unfortunately.
cmillz said on 5/Nov/19
Not sure what happened to my comment there? But what I meant to say was I know plenty of girls/women that are
Myself said on 5/Nov/19
@Chris Brady
Omg, can you just measure yourself and find out already? Like it's that hard, srsly. Before I had a measuring tape I used to get same 100% accuracy measurements using a 30 cm ruler.
Greg said on 5/Nov/19
@AndrewV you’re likely thinking of Europe, In Uk, Canada and U.S 6’0 is 83rd percentile, 75th would be more like 5’11.5
khaled taban said on 5/Nov/19
@AndrewV , obviously 5'10" is only half an inch above average height here in the United States, based on CDC growth charts the average height is 5'9.5" for white males under 40, so 5'10" is a solid average height here , maybe higher average if you consider Hispanic and Asians Americans.
Person111 said on 5/Nov/19
@AndrewV, yes I know 6'0 is not very tall. I said 6'0 is moderately tall, not outstandingly tall.
Person111 said on 5/Nov/19
@Bobby The fact that you feel above average at 5’10 is bizarre. Your other experiences you previously described (such as 5’9 women as very “rare”) are just plain bizarre to me. It makes me believe your experience is not representative of the national average. It sounds like Toronto seriously lacks tall people. 5’10 and 5’5 are ubiquitous white male/female heights. There are others here who share my experiences.

Most young white women are at least 5’4. If they weren’t, I would feel noticeably above average, but I don’t. The average white female millennial is solidly 5’5. What people think of when they hear “above average” is noticeably above average, not merely an inch above it.

5’10 and 5’5 don’t look above average in the slightest. Greece is in Southern Europe, and that region is known to be shorter, so of course people there are going to be shorter than North Americans. Look at AndrewV’s response below, he confirms my experiences and he pretty much sums up my thoughts.
Canson said on 5/Nov/19
@Bobby: I’m a bit over mine at 6’4.25-.3” but Christian falls under his. I round down yes. But He claims 6’5 1/2” at about 6’5 3/8”. In my case I’ve even determined that on a gym day where I lift heavy I get down around 6’4 flat. I don’t lift heavy often but after some of the PT I’ve done I’ve seen improvement with my spine so I began lifting some. I did squats one day a couple weeks ago and got down to my extreme low of 193.1 which I’ve seen on other days. As a matter of fact I also was on my feet
Bego said on 5/Nov/19
@AndrewV Avg among young Americans is more like 176cm mid afternoon barefoot, 177cm or 177.5cm in morning only. Any medical measurements are flawed just like self reported heights. The only places where avg in US is closer to 178cm or 178.5cm is in upper mid west.
Sean william Winter said on 5/Nov/19
go to supermarket im taller than most guys. what does that tell you. still average. what is definition of average for a start if your taller than 60 percent of males by say 1 to 3 inches and shorter than a lot of guys by say 1 to 3 inches so that means 5'7 5.8 5.9 then 5'11 6ft and 6ft one so in the middle what is the defintion of average. i agree with bobby here. were are the same hieght but he does drop a bit below 5'10 but im not gona get into an arguement. or debate. 50th percentile. but charts i see online say 60th percentile for astrong 5'10 like 179 cm. 5'11 comes out as 72nd and 6ft 83 rd. at 6ft your taller than 83 percent of guys by 3 to 4 inches. but at 6ft the taller guys you see depends. normaly anything over 6'2 is uncommon. at 6ft your would be taller than 83 rd percnet by good 3 to 4 inches. so imo its tall.just not giant.
Bobby 1.78m said on 5/Nov/19
@AndrewV

I honestly can't see 5'10 being average for a Millennial Caucasian guy or a young guy in general. If 5'10 was as average as you say it is, then why am I not seeing more guys my height or taller? I more often see guys shorter than me than taller than me. I think if you're a guy and 5'10, no one's gonna call you small up close and personal. It's above average. The average 5'10 guy is gonna be close to 6'0 in footwear, and while shoes aren't part of your body, it does mean that 5'10 is closer to 6'0 than you'd imagine.
Greg said on 5/Nov/19
@Vitto Rob doesn’t ban people who need it as he’s very lenient with the site, like Arthur and Andrea deserve a permanent ban and same with Ajax and a few other trolls here. Wouldn’t be the first time Bego has lashed out on someone though.
Greg said on 5/Nov/19
@Lell lol yeah Jimmy Åkesson is not a weak 6’0 that guys spitting out garbage. They just want to list 5’9 guys at 5’11 that’s not the first time we see a 5’9 guy claim 5’11 I have another friend who’s about the same height as jimmy or a bit taller at 5’9 and change but he claims 5’11 yet I noticeably edge him out.
Bobby 1.78m said on 5/Nov/19
@Vitto

I would say 5'7 is the start of tall for women or 5'8. That's the equivalent of a 6'0 guy.
Person111 said on 5/Nov/19
@Vitto, the start of tall for women is 5'7 (moderately tall). 5'8 is solid tall, and 5'9+ is very tall for women. It's basically, take all the male tall heights and subtract 5 inches to get the equivalent female tall heights.

Moderately tall: 6'0 male = 5'7 female
Solidly tall: 6'1 male = 5'8 female
Very tall: 6'2 male = 5'9 female
Big Ben said on 5/Nov/19
@Lell - I also thought he was closer to 5'9" than 5'10". He probably wakes up at around 176.5-177 and goes down to 175. A weak 5'10" is the absolute highest I'd go for him. I was at my low and was still atleast an inch taller.
Canson said on 5/Nov/19
Vitto said on 2/Nov/19
@Rob Bego should have been banned for calling me '' full of **** '' and '' you suck at... '' I'm thinking I am gonna leave if someone else refers to me like that.


That’s really peanuts compared to some of the stuff people have said on this site. I’ve said that myself and haven’t been banned but it’s usually in retaliation to someone else. But I’ve seen people called and I’ve been called worse. While it may offend you what Bego said it’s nothing that’s gonna get him banned
JD1996 said on 5/Nov/19
If you measure yourself after being awake for roughly 3 hours how much further should your height sink later in the day?
Johan 185 cm said on 5/Nov/19
Dutch people are not northern europeans. We are west europeans along with the French/Belgians/Swiss etc etc.

Northern Europeans are the scandinavian countries. So there is no clear divide between North and south/west/east.

Central and Eastern europeans are actually taller than most western as well.

Why do some populations get taller? Good nutrition, exercise ( have you seen how many bikes we have?), cannabis ( just a joke rob !).
Johan 185 cm said on 5/Nov/19
Importer said on 31/Oct/19
@Johan 185 cm
You are legit 6’1” right, I think I once read you say you are 186cm during the day?

My range is 187-185 cm.

But waking at 187 cm I go down to 186 within an hour or two. My normal low is just above 185 cm and my extreme low is just under.

On working days I am around 185 cm after being 4 hours awake because of the physical aspect of my job.

In the weekends/holidays I can still be closer to 186 in the afternoon but this is because of inactivity.
Greg said on 4/Nov/19
@Person111 let me try explaining to you again pay very close attention this time. So I’m saying I don’t believe in how they gathered the data because it’s not always measured or they could say it is but there’s really not much credibility unless we give them the benefit of the doubt. However we do judge by percentiles. White American males definitely do not average 5’10, that has been a common misconception at most I’m willing to agree on is 5’9 and change for them most places have it as 5’9.25-5’9.5 and even that can be up for debates. In Europe though men averaging 5’10-5’11 in certain countries I can believe. However, in America I can assure you that is not the case. It doesn’t mean said town has an average lower than whatever, if that where the case then there would be an imbalance in there world. Anything over 50th percentile is above average. 5’10 flat is noticeably above average you’re acting as if you have to be 6’2 to be above average lol wtf? You make no sense. I’m telling you anything that’s above average is above average never said it was tall. An average height would be like 5’8.5-5’9. 5’10-5’11 is above average in America and it’s noticeable. You’re IQ example just proves my point even more.
Greg said on 4/Nov/19
@Tessa Van Nunen wouldn’t be surprised but I doubt Colbert is wearing lifts if at all they don’t look massive. But I never understood why above average celebs wear them like Pitt, Kimmel, Vin diesel hell even back in the day John Wayne would wear them at 6’4. For movie roles I kind of understand but if they aren’t short then it doesn’t exactly make sense to me I think Colbert could have been close to if not 5’11 peak and now he’d be somewhere in the 5’10 range as that’s what he’s looked, he looked closely to Jake Gylenhaal at one point on his show and footwear looked the same but I have Jake somewhere in that 5’10 range very weak 5’11 guy.
Greg said on 4/Nov/19
@Dan84 to be referred to as “that tall guy” you could be 5’11-6’0+ he’ll even a strong well proportioned 5’10 guy could be referred to as such or tallish at the least. If the UK average is 5’9 then 6’0 is definitely tall 6’3 is very tall in all places. For girls you could even be 5’6ish-5’7+ to be referred to as tall but it varies from person to person most people will agree with me. I ubered a guy who was 6’4-6’5 range last night although I didn’t stand next to him I gauged him to be in that very tall range he was easily the tallest person I saw outside that bar I don’t see that many 6’4+ guys on the daily maybe a few 6 footers.
Emil said on 4/Nov/19
@mrfunnyguy

Jimmie Åkesson is not a millimeter above 180 cm, and I honestly doubt he's more than 178-179 cm lol. Your perception of height seems a bit skewed, no offense, bro.
Sakz said on 4/Nov/19
@Dan84 That's because he's very tall so he will draw more attention. The regular tall zone is 6'0-6'2 but people at those heights still get referred to as tall, just not as often as at 6'3 or over. That's where very tall begins in my opinion.
Littlelee5ft6 said on 4/Nov/19
6 foot is the start of tall for a man and 5ft 7 for a woman. Not 6ft 2 and 5ft 9
Big Ben said on 4/Nov/19
@Grayloth - I wouldn't trust self reported heights and the military picks the physically most ideal men. I was measured at around 179cm by the army back in may after 6.5 hours out of bed. Your height actually gets a grade and I got a 6 in height (I have no clue what that means, but I think you can't get more than a 9 and you can't get less than 2 or they sill deny you a spot in the army). I got a 9 in strenght (which is highest you can get) and they said most men gets a 5 in strenght. Idk if they apply the same logic to height. I obviously don't think the average is 176 like you claimed I said but I don't think it's as high as 181 like the self reported stats said.
Nik J Ashton said on 4/Nov/19
@ C-mo - ?
Nik J Ashton said on 4/Nov/19
@ Dan84 - 6'1" is **dd* tall in the UK, not quite tall!

Tall starts at about 5'11.5" for a man and 5'7" for a woman in the UK.
Huew said on 4/Nov/19
Rob is 174cm average in the uk? I don't look short or feel it at all most men are around my height.., I get short comments once in a blue moon but it's always by some jealous douche with nothing else going for them haha..there's no way I'm short right you would have to be drunk to actually think 😂😂
Editor Rob
Any time I observe height in public, I do feel 5ft 8 is a bit under average as there are more men taller than shorter than myself...
c-mo said on 4/Nov/19
up to about 200cm (or maybe even a little more ) is a good height ...especially when you have a big frame and sporty body . a 195cm guy with good proportions and some muscles will catch the eye of many women and he will make us average height men look a lot shorter .

but above 185cm is not ideal especially above 190cm . but still good until around 200cm . I would rather be 200cm than 170cm for example even though I am only 6-7cm taller than 170cm

183cm is the winnnnnneeeeeeeer
AndrewV said on 3/Nov/19
@Person111
I disagree with your last point, 2 inches above average is more tallish than legit tall. 6'0" flat is 75th percentile around 20-39 year old white men, tallish for sure, but not quite legit tall. Legit stall starts after 2.5 or 3 inches imo if we narrow it down to that demographic. 6'0" is definitely legit tall in the general male population though and very tall if you're in a minority group.

@Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm)
There's no way the average young white guy is 5'9", much less 5'8". That would mean that young, white North Americans are about the same height as young Koreans, which is almost certainly not the case if you compare how tall you feel in a Seoul metro car versus a frat party in the US. The CDC's 5'10" and 5'5" average for white guys and gals completely corroborates with my own personal experience living on a southern US college campus: Most young white lads here are over 5'8" but under 6'0" while most young white women are between 5'3" and 5'7". There's no way 5'10" is an uncommon height in your area unless you live around a lot of minorities or have some sort of selection bias where you pay more attention to shorter men. Trust me, no one's going to look at a 5'10" white dude and regard him as "above average" or "tallish", it is a completely unremarkable and normal height in North America and Western Europe. If anything, 5'10" is the height to be if you want to completely blend into the crowd and rarely have your height brought up in conversation.

The bottom line is that if you're a white American guy under 40, 5'10" is bang average for your peer group and in most other social contexts considering that the US is still de facto racially segregated. 5'10" is only uncommon if you're in an Asian market, and even then plenty of young Asian in the West reach 5'10".
Nik Ashton said on 3/Nov/19
@ dio21 - You are entitled to your opinion and I know that there is no malice in your comments. However I don’t think my comments are useless, they are about height and whether they are part of a discussion or not I think they are helpful to people and on occasions interesting. I don’t think comments have to be structured and to even consist of a single paragraph of writing to be worthwhile.
Vitto said on 3/Nov/19
@Person111 What height do you consider the start of tall for women?
Nik Ashton said on 3/Nov/19
@ Person111 - The average 60 year old man is about 5’8.125” - 5’8.25”!
Nik Ashton said on 3/Nov/19
My Mum’s friend once thought I was 5’10”!
Nik Ashton said on 3/Nov/19
I’ve been called average and quite tall a few times!
cmillz said on 3/Nov/19
I know plenty of girls
183/184.5cm 6ft dude said on 2/Nov/19
Hey guys so decided to average out the heights of all the people I know of Sudanese or west African descent and tally up the average out of interest, I got 186cm for the men, the average for the women was 181.4cm, even taller, maybe I just know a lot of tall people lol but I still think they are the tallest people I’ve ever met
Bego said on 2/Nov/19
@Person11 Lol keep dreaming that avg in Canada is 5'10". Maybe in morning with shoes on. Every single Canadian i talked to and met, who were over 175cm reported being above avg height. One even said how theres many guys bellow 170cm, any single person who is legit over 175cm will say the same. I have seen some Canadian tourists back in Istanbul, none were over 170cm (my mid nose level) from what i have noticed. And why does it matter wether its 1st world country or not? You are so deluded, my 2nd world country has avg 180cm and over and we are in south east Europe,war torn, still developing, 40% unemployment, avg age 45.Now what? You are of British, Irish and Fremch ancestry, all three on Turkish level of average. Legit 178cm and over avg countries are only Belgium, Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Baltics, Scandinavia, west Balkans...
khaled taban said on 2/Nov/19
@Person111, the average height in the US is definitely under 5'10" , even for whites under 40 ! It's 5'9.5" max
Lell said on 2/Nov/19
@mrfunnyguy

I'm 179 cm and met Jimmie Åkesson. Definitely shorter than me, he was like 175 cm only, he seems so tall on TV.
Greg said on 2/Nov/19
@Propking, not sure I would go less than 6’1-6’1.5 for Jack I never had him as a legit 6’2 more of like “a 6’2 in shoes” guy he could even be a weak 6’1, 6’0.75” like Keanu Reeves. You tuber heights are interesting I think the majority do fraud by at least an 1.5 if not more.
Big Ben said on 2/Nov/19
@mrfunnyguy - Here's me with Jimmie Åkesson: Click Here

In person I was about an inch taller and he had good posture but in the picture I can look about 3-4 inches taller because he's dropping a solid 2-3 inches in height when posing with people. I'd say he's a weak 5'10" in person. Lol, had I known I was going to pose for a picture with a celebrity I would've fixed my hair and put on some decent clothes (I just came out of the gym in that picture).
Vitto said on 2/Nov/19
@Rob Bego should have been banned for calling me '' full of **** '' and '' you suck at... '' I'm thinking I am gonna leave if someone else refers to me like that.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 2/Nov/19
@Person111

I don't know about that. Being 5'10 in Canada places you in the strong 65 percentile category, which means you are taller than 65 percent of men. That's not average height, that's above average height.

Click Here

That is what Giga Calculator would place me in and it honestly feels like that statistic is more accurate than the 50 percentile you're going on about. I only feel like around 30-40% of guys are taller than me.

Okay, but 6'0 is still too close to "average" height to be called tall. There's no way a 6'0 guy would think a 5'10 guy is much smaller than he is. Being 2 inches taller isn't a big difference. And you're right that people don't go around doing that, but everyone forms an impression of you based on how you look and if you're at least 5'10, you generally get described as being quite tall because of height inflation (Most people think that 5'10 is 6'0). How you feel average at 5'6 is beyond me, but I feel above average at 5'10, even in downtown Athens, Greece where the population is a majority of native Greeks, I felt above average. I can assure you that the 5'10 average you think is prevalent in the U.S and Canada only really applies to certain parts of Europe.

I'd notice a lot more 5'10 guys if 5'10 was so common in millennials and yet a majority of them are under 5'10. Not many guys even hit 177cm, let alone 178cm. Take Rob, for example, he's a Celtic man (Scottish descent), why isn't he 5'10? He had a 5'10 father after all. Your logic is that the Baby Boomer generation averaged 5'9 in response to Nik, but Rob is an example of the opposite. In fact, even all my male family members on my dad's side (his siblings) are all under 5'9. The tallest uncle is 5'8 at most and the shortest is 5'5. None of them are old enough to have shrunk anything noticeable either.

You're quite condescending. Everyone has different experiences and 5'9 is solid average, even marginally above it in certain cases. Take actors such as Tom Hardy and Paul Rudd. Both listed 5'9 on here. Do they ever seem below average on screen? Sure, they use camera angles to look taller, that's true but I never thought that someone like Tom Hardy, has ever looked barely average height. You don't believe that 5'10 can be above average height? Just ask Rob for his two cents on the matter. I'd say you have to be a minimum of 1-2 inches over the average to be above average height. Otherwise by your definition of above-average then 6'0 is just above average and there are certainly guys here who measure 6'0 that feel that way but it's all in their head. Being above average isn't about towering everyone you see, it's about noticeably edging out many people even if the difference is only 2 inches.

It's not crazy to think that young white guys are below 5'10 because I see them all the time lol. Do you want another opinion? Ask Canson and Christian who both live in the U.S and are 6'4 and 6'5 respectively (actually, they're both a fraction over their claims) and they will tell you that even from their perspective, a 5'10 guy is above average even if only marginally so. I'm not saying I'm a big, tall guy, but I don't feel just average and most people commenting on my height wouldn't describe me that way either. Do you know how many people in Greece, even non-family members, called me tall? Lots of them. Now I wouldn't say I'm tall, but I'm not just "average" either. I will consent to a high/tall average at best.

You should honestly accept that you're above average height. Just because a lot of women will be 1-2 inches taller than you doesn't mean you're average height. Have you stopped to consider that a 5'7 woman doesn't reflect most women? Even a 5'5 woman is above average. I'm not making it up when I tell you that most women I see, even young white women, are 5'4.

Also, consider this idea: Assume a man is 6'0 and he is in a room where everyone is 6'5. Does that mean that 6'5 is common? No. Does it mean that he is short? No. Well, the same idea here with how you describe your height and other people's heights. Just because you might be in a situation where most women are taller than you doesn't mean you're suddenly average height.
Chris brady said on 2/Nov/19
So I was at a family get together the other day and one of my cousins was there. He is the flat six foot guy I told you guys about a few months ago. One of my aunts remarked that we seemed close in height and both of us were in socks. She told us to stand back to back but I kindly declined because it felt a bit childish. If they couldn’t really tell who was taller does that mean there was less than a half inch between us? I measured about 6 7/8 at low before my back injury playing basketball. Would this encounter with my cousin prove I lost some height?
Dan84 said on 2/Nov/19
I think tall starts at 6 foot 2 for a man and 5 foot 9 or 10 for ladies as that's the minimum I believe to join up with the UK Tall club. 6 foot to 6 foot 2, which is the zone I fall into, is tallish, but nothing special. I think you need to be 190cm or 6 foot 3 to be referred to as the tall guy. I went to uni with a guy just under 6 foot 5 and his height is often referred to in photos and people each day.
Grayloth said on 2/Nov/19
The average self-reported height for men of all ages with swedish etnicity is 180.2 cm according to SCB (Swedish official statistics)
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It's just around 181-181.5 cm for age-group 25-34 years old, of swedish ethnicity.

Here are some statistics that I have posted before from the swedish army recruiting with measured heights instead.
It's from the year 2000 so it's 20 years old but the average probably hasn't gone up by more than half a cm since then.

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It's probably the largest sample you can find of measured average height in Sweden where 75 % of the male population were measured. It's just about 180 cm. If you add a cm to that height you'll get the average measured height at age 21.
Tessa Van Nunen said on 2/Nov/19
Click Here
Hi Rob, I've noticed Steven Colbert has been looking taller in his recent interviews. I saw one with 50 cent, and the one above is with Conan, look at his ankle 1 minute 35, its way to high. I suspect he's wearing lifts in his shoes. What do you think?
Editor Rob
Colbert wearing lifts is something I would not be that surprised about.
Sakz said on 2/Nov/19
@pov 'Taller than most but not tall' doesn't make sense. That's pretty much the definition of tall if not very tall. You contradicted yourself there. The example you've given also goes against your statement that 6'0 isn't tall. Just because you're not the tallest in the room it doesn't mean you're not tall.

@AndrewV For me someone who doesn't fall under 6'0 is considered the start of tall. 5'10 can be a fairly common height and it's one of the reasons I used to consider it average before I paid attention to height. However on the whole I would say it's just above (I'm in the UK). 5'11 range would be tallish for me. The location you find yourself in can easily alter perceptions as is evident with certain people's opinions, but I'm talking from a general standpoint.
Sakz said on 2/Nov/19
@Greg The overall average is the same here in the UK, although for the younger gen it's slightly higher. I used to think 5'10 was average before I came on here but I wasn't aware of what exactly the average was back then. I suppose it was also because I saw a quite a lot of people around that height, but that's not always a definitive way to judge.
Nik Ashton said on 2/Nov/19
@ Rob - I didn’t ask to measure them but I stood up when they were close buy so I could compare heights!

You can never escape the subject of height! 😂😂😂
Editor Rob
I know a way of escaping height.

Watching animation films.

My favourite film of 2019 is by far Shaun the Sheep: Farmageddon. Didn't think about height once! 😎
c-mo said on 2/Nov/19
Nik what are you trying to say the whole time .....?
Nik Ashton said on 2/Nov/19
Dermot O’Leary is 5’7.5” and he just looks an ordinary dude on telly!
Person111 said on 2/Nov/19
@Nik Ashton said on 1/Nov/19
The average height of men over 60 in the USA and the UK is no more than 5’7.5”!
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It is if you include everyone. But if you're only talking white males, it's 5'9. LOL @ the millenial guys on this site claiming to be average at 5'9 when that's the average for the baby boomer generation.
Person111 said on 2/Nov/19
@Bobby – People don’t just go around calling people average or short. I’ve been called tall as well when I’m far from it.

You just confirmed what I’ve been saying: You’re either a little taller or a little shorter than most guys. That means you’re in the middle. That’s literally the definition of average.

If your definition of “average” is literally 50th percentile, then yes 5’6 would be “above average”, but it’s still so close to the average white female millennial height (which is closer to 5’5 than 5’4) that it’s negligible. 5’4 is the average white female height including all ages, but I’m only talking about specifically whites under age 40. I have a 5’3 mom so I know what an accurate 5’3 looks like. Most girls my age are taller than her. There’s no way the average white female millennial is 5’4, it’s most certainly 5’5 and I’m only negligibly above that. 5’6 is not far enough away from the average to be considered “above average”. The word “above average” colloquially means NOITCABLY above average, not simply an inch above it. So no, by that definition, 5’6 is not “above average” the same way 5’10 is not “above average” because it’s not far enough away from average. Both are very average heights.

When you’re of average height, depending on the situation, and the random sample of people around you, sometimes you do feel tall, sometimes you feel short. That comes with being average height because it’s an in-between height.

6’0 is moderately tall, not outstandingly tall. 2 inches is a noticeable difference when it comes to human height. There are varying degrees of tall, not just very tall and that’s it. Like I said, there’s no way the average white male millennial is 5'8-5'9; In the first world, it’s only that short in Southern Europe. Based off your observations, I really do believe your area is below average in height. It’s crazy for me to believe most young white males are under 5’10, you think the average white female height is 5’3-5’4, and the fact that you encounter 5’9 women “once in blue moon”. I don’t live in a tall city, and I see them several times per week. If you feel above average at 5'10, that doesn't mean 5'10 is above average, it means the guys you encounter are below average. This conversation is not about the average height of all ages and races. It's specifically about white millenials, of which 5'10 male and 5'5 female is most certainly solidly average.
Person111 said on 2/Nov/19
@Greg, again why are you bringing up percentiles when you said you don’t believe in data? And yes 5’10 is 50th percentile for white males under age 40. The fact that it’s not in your area doesn’t mean it’s not that way nationally. If you feel above average at 5’10, it’s not because 5’10 is above average, it’s because most of the guys you encounter are simply below average.

Yes if your definition of above average is literally “anything above 50th percentile” then 51st percentile is also “above average”. Practical definitions of the word “above average” means NOITCEABLY above average, not merely an inch above average. 5’10 isn’t far enough away from average to be considered “above average”. It’s still very much an average height.

Here’s an example: The average IQ is 100. That doesn’t mean a 105 IQ is “above average” because it’s still within the range of average. Calling 5’10 “above average” is like saying an IQ of 105 is “above average”. Yes 105 is literally above 100, but it’s not far enough away from the average to be noticeably above average. 5’10 is still an average height the same way an IQ of 105 is still an average IQ.
Nik said on 1/Nov/19
A lot of men in my area are under 5'5".
Nik Ashton said on 1/Nov/19
@ Person111 - That’s amazing!
Nik Ashton said on 1/Nov/19
@ cmillz - That is very interesting to know, thanks!

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