How tall is Sylvester Stallone

Sylvester Stallone's Height

5ft 8.5in (174 cm)

Peak height was 5ft 9in (175.3 cm)
American actor best known for The Rocky, Rambo and Expendable series, Cliffhanger, Demolition Man, Judge Dredd and Cobra. In a 1991 interview with Longevity magazine he said "I'm 5'10" and in a 1993 edition of the New York Times added a fraction, saying "I'm exactly 5 feet 10 1/2 inches", although he once pushed his luck in a 1978 Playboy article claiming to stand "Five feet ten and three quarters tall."

Cinema.com, on meeting him, said "Sly, shorter than you expect at 5-foot-eight", which he even mentioned himself: "I'm shorter and skinnier than you Expected". His footwear has always been a source of contention and in a 1990 Chicago Times article, the journalist mentioned "The real-life Rambo is an official 5 foot 10 1/2 inches tall, but that is with the generous boost of what can only be described as elevator shoes". Indeed, a specialist Italian shoemaker once commented that he "made him 4.5 inches taller for 16 years!". Sly's penchant for lifts dates back to the 1970's, with fellow actor Kevin Conway remarking that Sly was only 5ft 9 and "wears lifts all the time". Sly himself even joked about it once, when commenting upon the size of Rocky IV co-star Dolph Lundgren:"I'm fighting with elevator shoes on, this is ridiculous." There are definitely several tricks to looking taller, one of which was highlighted by Expendables 3 co-star Kelsey Grammar, who said Sly was a great guy, "Except when he changed the camera angle a little bit to make me look shorter."

In the screenwriter William Goldman's book 'About Lies Stars Tell', he offered his own estimation of Sly's stature, saying "I had a hot lead that Sly was 67 inches," revealing his source to be a jogger of similar stature to Sly. Goldman described how he ventured into a swimming pool that Sly was in...and 10 minutes later, "He got out, grabbed a towel. I got out, grabbed a towel. He stood. I stood. Sixty-seven inches. Dripping wet." That estimate is shared by Hulk Hogan, who casually called Sly "Five Six/Five Seven". An ex-partner of Sly - Supermodel Janice Dickenson - claimed in her book 'Everything about me is fake' that when Sly was trying to pick her up, she recalled "Who was this guy to go dissing me while he's standing there in his custom-made elevator shoes." and also that "I couldn't believe how short he was". Another actress, Melinda Dillon - from F.I.S.T - commented in The Chicago Tribune that "I'm taller than Sly and that bothers him and we kid about it so I take off my shoes in some scenes. I can't slouch or I wouldn't be Anna. She's very upright."

Fellow action stars have even chimed in on his hard-to-pin-down height, most notably Jean Claude Van Damme, who once said "I'm 5-foot-10, a good size for movies. If you're too big a guy, it's hard to find good villains. That's why Stallone always has good villains. He's short."

Sylvester Stallone is 5ft 9
Sly with brother Frank (who claimed 6ft 1)
Photo by PR Photos

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Average Guess (188 Votes)
Peak: 5ft 8.95in (175.1cm)
Current: 5ft 8.13in (173cm)
Johnson said on 22/Sep/17
He is taller than 5'9 Michael Jackson in the pictures!!
Danimal said on 21/Sep/17
burby said on 19/Sep/17
newman said on 18/Sep/17
He is 5'8 today and 5'8.5 in his peak

The average 70 year old man will have lost over 1" (1.2") in height from their peak. Sly is no exception. 5'8"-5'8.5" peak and around 5'7 1/4" today.
THE REAL ANNONYMOUS said on 21/Sep/17
hey Barry FI
Sly suffered a neck injury when he was doing a scene with Steve Austin during a fight scene in the Expendables. That might
account for his walk and posture.At times it seems like he has a stiff neck,
Rising - 174 cm said on 21/Sep/17
@Barry Fl: Couldn't arching your back too much make you look shorter? After a point, you might start to lean back a little. In Sly's case, I do think he has outstanding posture for any age, though I've surprisingly noticed him on a few occasions with a wide stance that would make him lose a bit of height. I think he has a clearly different walk and to some extent, stance when he's wearing lifts. A strong core like Sly has will make him stand more upright, but lifts or big heels also force your posture. Sometimes it's obvious he's making sure to stand as straight as he can even when he doesn't wear lifts, but it looks to me like he sometimes has a more exaggerated chest out stance, which you can see in a lot of the pics I posted of Sly looking taller than he should on September 12th and you can see the stiffer "lift walk" in some of the videos like Sly on Letterman in 2003 and on Wetten Dass in 2008. I've seen Michael Douglas get a similar walk and as far as the exaggerated posture, Vin Diesel is another example.

But if you look at him here with Van Damme in normal shoes, he looks pretty natural, imo as far as both his posture and proportions: Click Here Click Here
Same thing here: Click Here In fact, Banderas looks to be trying harder to look tall with his head up while Sly looks more casual. On a side note, it's funny to me that the one guy to go up on his toes is the legit six footer Kellan Lutz, despite standing with a bunch of 5'8"-5'9" range guys much shorter than him. Snipes did follow his lead and go up on his toes for some pics in that series as well, but that's not nearly as surprising.
Sly's stance doesn't really look too different in these pics with Statham either: Click Here Click Here

I posted the boots he wore to this event recently and you can see the more exaggerated chest out stance with Arnold, who had a cowboy type heel himself: Click Here
To some extent here in what look like his black Hogan sneakers with Randy Couture as well: Click Here
Frankie68 said on 21/Sep/17
I certainly now believe more than ever that Sly is under 5'8 & more like 5'7 flat since those pics of him with Serena Williams ,, Not only was she taller than him , she's in the flatest of shoes, If she's legit 5'8 -5'9 ,, than he certainly CANT be ,, And his shoes were also higher than her flats ,, so 5'8 -5'9 for Sly is out were im concerned !!
Brad said on 20/Sep/17
Weak 5-8 with Miss Williams in flats. No NBA guys present, the big guns were left at home by the door next to Jennifer's umbrella.
Frankie68 said on 20/Sep/17
@newman ,, i agree !! I always say Sly is under 5'8 ,, I think considering his shoe lifts of all sizes ( massive or mild) 5'7 without shoes on is my estimate ,,
MisterManletMick said on 20/Sep/17
my brother told me that he read a article in the 80s that he had leg extension surgery done to increase his height from 5 ft 6 to 5 ft 9 to play more physically imposing characters and to look taller next to his tall wife Bridgett Nielson who is at least 6 ft 1 if not taller, does anybody have a screenshot of this mythical newspaper or anything else mentioning leg extension surgery.
Tim said on 20/Sep/17
I always thought he has never hit 5'9 bu very very close. Just over 5'9 right after bed in his peak time. He was just over 5'8.5 max. A guy like Stallone has not shrunk like other ones. He has been walking tall his all life trying to be taller and today at 71 has a pretty good posture. So he has shrunk max 1-1'5 cm. Perfect list newman: Today 173 cm past: 174.5 max. Rob has a very good listening 0.5 inch less for him Rob
Barry Fl said on 20/Sep/17
I used to think Stallone had good posture for his age, but I was watching some behind the scenes movie footage of him lately and noticed something odd. rather than standing upright, he seems almost to be arching himself backward. Could this in some way be contributing to the illusion of greater height? It looked weird, but he was standing and walking around like that. I've also noticed that his walk (in films) can look a little odd, a little stiff. I sometimes joked about this being due to his Munster boots. Could be. Or maybe he's just afraid that if he bends his knees, even for an instant, he'll look shorter? :-)
Original said on 20/Sep/17
I agree with this: Peak: 5ft 8.94in (175.1cm) Current: 5ft 8.13in (173cm)
Rising - 174 cm said on 19/Sep/17
@Anonymous: Statham had at least an inch on Tom Cruise in Collateral and I think Cruise is 5'7.5", plus, you can see Statham clearly taller than Ryan Phillippe, Antonio Banderas, Mark Wahlberg and Ludacris, all of whom I believe are around 5'8" or certainly no shorter than Cruise. Then there's Mario Lopez, who I have at 174 cm and I'm almost positive Statham is no shorter having seen them together several times and Statham is really close in height to Wesley Snipes as well, who I'd say is a weak 5'9" or 5'8.5" absolute minimum. I can see Statham looking 5'8" with a slouch, but I strongly believe he's no more or less than 5'8.5". I agree Jet Li isn't 5'6", but I think Chan is still close to, if not 5'8" and was probably 5'8.5"-5'9" before the injuries took some of his height. As for Jet Li, you can seem him at the Lethal Weapon 4 premiere really not looking more than 3.5" shorter than 5'9" Mel Gibson so I think Rob's 5'5.5" listing is about right for him. I think Sly was slightly taller than Statham and is now the same height, except for when he wears lifts of course.
burby said on 19/Sep/17
newman said on 18/Sep/17
He is 5'8 today and 5'8.5 in his peak

Well hello newman...(Seinfeld voice). Weak 5'8" next to Serena in flats, no NBA stuffed shoes that day.
Rising - 174 cm said on 19/Sep/17
@newman: Look at this pic: Click Here

If Serena straightens up her knee, they'll be about the same height, but she does only have roughly 1/4" flats while Sly looks to have about 2 cm shoes to me(they look flat with little to no angle and a small heel). But while I agree with you on Sly's peak height - 5'8.75" or a weak 5'9" - it seems Serena is at least 5'9" and many on her page think she's a bit over it, if anything as the average guess on her page is just over 176 cm. But if we assume she's listed correctly then she'll be 5'9.25" with her flats making Sly about the same, but I'm not sure his shoes are a full inch so it could still put him around 174 cm, or at worst 5'8.25", imo. Either one is fine for his current height, but if anything that just shows to me that Sly will still clear 5'9" in just about any shoe.

@bernie: Look at my video of Sly and Burt. It's a much better reference and you see Sly clearly taller with at least 1 cm less footwear.
newman said on 18/Sep/17
Hi Rob. Stallone today is 173 cm max or 5'8.2 take a look to this photos: I'm just tired that everyone is trying to inflated all these actors height. I'm here to open everyones mind and to say the truth. Most of all actors and famous people are at least 1 inch shorter than they claim

Serena Williams is a legit 174.5 cm woman or 5'9 max. Listed on ATP 5'9 and for sure for everything I have watched she is anyway in the 174-175 cm range or 5'8.75-5'9
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Is just hilarous how people say Stallone is 175 cm today! He is 173 max and in my opinion he is 172,5 cm or 5'8 max. Take a look to his shoes higher than Serena. Stallone was a weak 5'8.75 in his peak and with the best luck in his best peak day a weak 5.8.75 - 5'9 max. Hope this info could change somebody's opinion. 5'9 for Stallone is just disrespect for honest 5'9 guys! He is 5'8 today and 5'8.5 in his peak
newman said on 18/Sep/17
Hi Rob. Stallone today is 173 cm max or 5'8.2 take a look to this photos: I'm just tired that everyone is traying to inflated all these actors height. I'm here to open everyones mind and to say the truth. Most of all actors and famous people are at least 1 inch shorter than they claim

Serena Williams is a legit 174.5 cm woman or 5'9 max. Listed on ATP 5'9 and for sure for everything I have watched she is anyway in the 174-175 cm range or 5'8.75-5'9
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Is just hilarous how people say Stallone is 175 cm today! He is 173 max and in my opinion he is 172,5 cm or 5'8 max. Take a look to his shoes higher than Serena. Stallone was a weak 5'8.5 in his peak and with the best luck in his best peak day a weak 5'9. Hope this info could change somebody's opinion. 5'9 for Stallone is just disrespect for honest 5'9 guys! He is 5'8 today and 5'8.5 in his peak
Brad said on 18/Sep/17
Bet he practiced walking down those steps in those MONSTER edged up customs. The Balboa premiere Munsters take the cake. The big guns come out when's looking for trouble.
Rising - 174 cm said on 18/Sep/17
Nolifts81 said on 7/Sep/17
Guys I've met in Milan the famous Pr of Sly Stallone when He come in Italy.Her name is Tiziana Rocca and She is 181 cm barefoot.She says that Sly is Not so Short and was only a couple of inches shorter than her. In The hotels He was often barefoot so She and her stuff know well His height. She said To me 176 cm barefoot when He was young. A Hair over 5'9". I believe her! I've always thought He was 176cm.

But don't you think if Sly was near 175 cm then he'd still not look so short to her? It's not a big difference, but certainly Brigitte saw him barefoot a lot and said 174-175 as opposed to 176. Imo, this makes sense seeing some of the 70s films. He can easily look 176 cm, but if Armand Assante is 5'9.5" then Sly looks maybe 5'9" in Paradise Alley, just as co-star from that film Kevin Conway says. I don't really believe Assante would be taller than that. I hate to repeat myself, but Gazzara also looked at least an inch taller to me and he may have only been 177 cm range based on his own words. I see 174.5-175 cm as most likely and his good posture alone could make him look 176 cm at times compared to someone with looser posture like Statham.
Anonymous said on 18/Sep/17
@ Rising – 174cm

So you admit that Sly is pretty much Stathams height, but you also say Sly’s about 5’8.5”.
So in the movie “The one” where J.Staham is moving around Mr. Jet Li he seems barely taller than him, to be generous, let’s say 2 inches, no more.
And Jet Li is far away from 5’6”, much to short, the best he could reach is 5’4” – 5’5”max. In some shots Jet Li even appears 3” shorter than 5'7.5 - 5'7.75 Jackie Chan..
So there we have two different comments here…
Which one is to be right? Let me know, please
BR
Frankie68 said on 17/Sep/17
@pierre I agree !
bernie said on 17/Sep/17
@ Pierre - good pic from rocky 4,we all know it of course... You say "no big difference.." i would even say "no difference" when you subtract Slys hair. Pauly's in bad posture, nevertheless almost same eye level, even his shoulders seem to be higher. If he'd stand straight he would be no shorter than Sly. To me the proof, Sly was never taller than 172cm/ 5'7.75". Pauly never was taller than 5'7.5-5'8"..
@Rising - 174: I don't see 174 - 175cm for Sly here, no matter how hard i try, sorry.. let me know, please..
Rising - 174 cm said on 17/Sep/17
@Pierre: Here's video of Sly and Burt with a wide shot: Click Here Footwear is clearly visible at 1:08 and you can clearly see Sly has less footwear with 0.6" Converse while Burt has at least 1" boots, yet Sly is still clearly taller. When I posted this scene from Rocky 3 of Burt and Carl Weathers: Click Here Rob said 5'8" is possible for Burt back then. Here's Burt in the mid 80s with Ralph Macchio who Rob has estimated around 5'7.5" at the time and De Niro in his prime: Click Here Click Here Even with better posture and a footwear advantage - possibly lifts - De Niro is only 3 cm taller than Burt: Click Here

I don't believe Sly was much taller than Burt, but he's definitely taller based on how he looked in Converse with Burt in boots. Burt was somewhere from 5'7.5" to 5'8" and Sly somewhere from 5'8.5" to 5'9", imo. So it depends on if you consider about an inch to be a big difference. Based on the ranges I give for both, the difference could be as small as half an inch and as big as 1.5".
Rising - 174 cm said on 16/Sep/17
@burby: One trick that Kane Hodder(Jason Voorhees in 4 Friday the 13th movies) apparently used was rolling up socks and placing them above the heel of the boot. I don't know how many options there were for the average person back in '75, though. I don't think you're going to quite get 3" out of those Hogan sneakers without falling out of them, though. Maybe if they were high tops. Of course, I could be wrong. I think he may get close enough at 2.5" to 2.75" anyway. I'm pretty curious what kind of insole those sneakers come with off the rack.

Of course, there were times the Hogan sneakers wouldn't do. I can imagine Sly being told he was booked on this show and discovering the host was supposed to be 192 cm. "Hmmm, that's about 6-foot-3 and 5/8ths of an inch...time to break out the big guns" *Takes off Hogan sneakers and substitutes for them elevator boots in a sequence similar to that in Rambo 2 after the half Vietnamese girl dies in his arms*: Click Here He wore these thick dress boots, likely custom: Click Here Something similar at Rocky Balboa premiere: Click Here Some of those types may have been 3" custom elevator boots. These may have had the potential for 3.5" range: Click Here but I'd have to see how he actually looked in them to see what they actually added. I've seen Sly wear black boots that look like they may have been from the same shoemaker.
Brad said on 16/Sep/17
Those Denzel's are whoppers. Burbs knows face first goin down the Laker steps if not in shape wedged. No railings.
Rising - 174 cm said on 15/Sep/17
@Frankie68: I should add as well I shouldn't be as quick to question whether someone is trolling based on how they see things because for a solid year two during the end of the Glenn years, I ardently argued Sly was the legit 5'10" to me, which from my current position seems as far off. But I can say I honestly believed that at the time and wasn't intending to troll regardless of how wrong I turned out being.

@Mado-sport: I think both men are 174 cm today. I agree Sly was taller, but not that much taller when they did the Expendables films(at least the first two and at least from the looks of the events for the 3rd). Sly was only "much taller" when he wore boots and/or lifts. This is Sly and Statham within the past year: Click Here You can compare them for a few seconds when they get off the ramp around the 13 second mark and again around 45 seconds. Footwear should be pretty close, imo as Sly looks to me like he has normal 1" range dress shoes while Statham's boots look at least that much, but not more than a fraction more max: Click Here Click Here These days, they both look about the same height.
Pierre said on 15/Sep/17
Click Here =Sylvester next to Burt Young listed 5"7.5' at his peak,Burt in poor posture= no big difference at the peak of their heads imo if Burt was in the same posture as Sylvester(Burt seem to have a stronger forehead)
burby said on 14/Sep/17
Pre-fame Sly was probably stackin' insoles with Connors. "Customs" on the cheap literally. Here's hoping he wasn't using cardboard. Good thing Sly didn't go face first in the hardwood with Denzel, 3"'s are gonna do that....
Rising - 174 cm said on 14/Sep/17
@Brad: Not custom actually, but probably at least 2.5" total: Click Here This is what he's wearing there: Click Here I think he just put his own lifts into them. As Rob said, the sneaker might have an extra thick insole to begin with, but I think Sly's ankle in some of them points to him putting an extra insole lift in them. He had all different colors of those Hogan sneakers. He wore the black ones most for the period around the last Rambo film and a few times since. As far as I can tell, he started wearing them around 2003 if you look at this appearance on Letterman from that year: Click Here A pair like those just sold on Ebay: Click Here In case the direct link to Ebay doesn't work, here's the image: Click Here

He does genuinely pull off around 5'11" to me with Letterman even considering posture - much like he did in the black ones with Randy Couture - but I believe Letterman might wear more 0.7"-0.8" type shoes so perhaps 2" less than Sly. But with Denzel, check out Sly's arm around his shoulder in both pics. Outside of the "Stallone effect" (i.e., chest out posture) he could be pushing Denzel down slightly into more a loose stance or a slouch.
Tonyx said on 14/Sep/17
5ft11in... in shoes.
Frankie68 said on 13/Sep/17
Havent been on in a few days @ rising , I agree with you !
Brad said on 13/Sep/17
Custom 2.5" with Denzel. Wedged for the ballers.
Mado-sport said on 13/Sep/17
Actually sylvester stallone much taller than jason statham height 174.5 and sylvester is 174 impossible! !!!
Rising - 174 cm said on 12/Sep/17
@Pierre: You missed my point entirely. I posted those 2003 photos for 2 reasons.

A.Because they're kind of funny after seeing Sly a good 4" shorter before and after.
B.To show that just because someone manages a height in a photo doesn't mean they actually looked that tall on that day. That's what "Sly" tricks are for. Sly probably looked 5'10.5"-5'11" that day, but the man has spent decades in front of and behind a camera. He knows tricks to look taller. That's why I post candid videos whenever possible. Here's Sly that same day with his bigger little brother Frank: Click Here By your logic, we must also say Denzel Washington could not have been 6'0"-6'0.25" because Sly makes himself almost as tall in these two photos: Click Here I know Sly was wearing Hogan sneakers on that occasion, which Rob and I both estimate as adding 2.5"-2.7" over barefoot height when Sly adds lifts to them.

With 6'0" Adrien Brody: Click Here and 5'11.5"-6'0" Arnold that same day: Click Here Yet I'm pretty sure if you find the video and see Sly's footwear or other photos from that day, I don't even think he was wearing some of his bigger footwear or looking that tall. He just pulled off much taller in these photos for whatever reason.

And 2 separate events from 2006-2007 with 6'1" Tom Arnold: Click Here One a candid and one a posed shot. In the candid with Tom Arnold he was wearing thick black footwear, but not the Hogans so maybe those even added 3". As of now, I don't know the footwear in the posed shot.

From these photos, you'd think Sly could regularly look like a six footer, even 6'1" one at times, yet that's nonsense. It's illusions from the photos. My personal belief is Sly was a weak 5'9" man until the last few years or more broadly somewhere from 5'8.5" to 5'9" and wore 2.5"-3" footwear pretty often over the years which could make him look as tall as a 5'10.5" or 5'11" man in normal shoes. Think about a real 5'11" man for a second. Are you telling me a 5'11" man can't look an inch or two taller than he actually is with a camera, posture or ground advantage? Especially one who likes to move closer to the camera like Sly or Pitt and Gibson for that matter. Many photos can't be taken as literal accurate representations, ESPECIALLY when you can't see feet. This is even more true with someone like Sly who goes "up and down like a yo-yo" as Tom put it.

Carl looks about 6'0.5" in the recent picture with Rob taken when he was in his late 60s. Rob confirms he's looked somewhere from 6'0.5" to 6'1" all three times he's met Carl aged 62-67 and Carl has regularly claimed 6'2", which was also what he was listed at in the NFL. It's a pretty safe guess Carl was at least a full 6'1" man in his prime, if he's not still today. 2 pictures where we can't see feet or ground and Sly is in lifts with better posture looks closer to Carl's height than he should do not change that fact.

As for Connors lol, I have to admit picturing Sly's reaction to co-starring with the 6-foot-5 giant is pretty funny, but in all seriousness, I don't believe Sly had lifts when he was struggling to work in 1975, but he did have cowboy boots and other thick-heeled footwear that was typical of the day.
Barry Fl said on 12/Sep/17
Tom said on 9/Sep/17
He goes up and down like a yo-yo. Sometimes he looks a solid 5'10'. Other times he looks no more than 5'8''. Maybe his lifts can be adjusted by pushing a button.

Ha ha ha. Spot on!
Barry Fl said on 12/Sep/17
Pierre said on 11/Sep/17
@Rising=Pictures Sylvester Carl 2003=this pictures could prove one thing= Carl could'nt be 6"1' because if sylvester can look around his height...

He doesn't.
Pierre said on 11/Sep/17
@Rising=Pictures Sylvester Carl 2003=this pictures could prove one thing= Carl could'nt be 6"1' because if sylvester can look around his height...
Brad said on 11/Sep/17
"Chuck Connors...gulp" Let's see, white pages Los Angeles...ummmm height enhancing, custom elevator footwear....
Rising - 174 cm said on 11/Sep/17
Sly and Carl from 1999 to early this year: Click Here

I don't think the difference between them has changed much. Btw, it's amazing that Sly looked significantly younger than Carl in the mid to late 90s, yet today Carl looks significantly younger and with less obvious procedures. In terms of physical shape, Sly is probably in the most impressive shape of any 70 year old in Hollywood or possibly even over 60 for that matter, but Carl can genuinely look a decade younger than he is. He'd be great in an Expendables 4.

Just for fun, here they are in 2003: Click Here Click Here Not too subtle a difference, huh? I wonder what some of these people who worked with Sly decades ago thought when they saw him suddenly appear not much shorter than them. I've gotten a few funny looks from people when I've worn big lifts and a few have pointed out my newfound height.

That's exactly why I no longer read much into how Sly can look in lifts in anything other than full pics and video. Sly can look like a six footer in those shots yet I don't really believe he can actually pass for a six footer with the obvious exception of the Judge Dredd costume. I do think he could look like a 5'11" man often and 5'10.5" pretty easily in lifts, but as I've tried telling people on the Pitt page, being able to look a height in a photo does not mean you can actually pass for it outside of a photo with ideal conditions.
Rising - 174 cm said on 11/Sep/17
@Frankie: I agree to some extent, but Dolph both was never a full 6'5" AND REALLY shrunk. Actually Dolph even claimed 6'5.5" and 6'6" back in the 80s! I do think he was a minimum 6'4" and likely over it due to his huge head, but is now 6'3" max. Mr. T looked pretty big to me throughout the 80s, but was already looking no more than 5'10" or so over a decade ago and I'm pretty sure more 5'9.5" now. Burt has shrunk big time and is incredibly hunched, but funny enough, he's changed the least outside of maybe Carl, that's the benefit of looking old young in Burt's case, much like Robert Duvall, Gene Hackman etc. Burt really didn't look that short with Carl in the gym in Rocky 3, yet I can only imagine how they'd look today.

Carl is still looking tall this year and has probably not shrunk much, if any, but I really don't think Sly has shrunk as much as his shoes have. He just masked the difference with Weathers well in the past due to heels and clever camera angles, but always towered over him by at least 4" without those things. I'll post a comparison of those two when younger and now.
Rising - 174 cm said on 10/Sep/17
@Frankie: It's no problem. I apologize if I was disrespectful as well. Travolta's heel isn't exposed as much as Sly, but check out their appearance on The Tonight Show in 1983: Click Here If you look at Travolta's left foot, I see quite a large Cuban heel. It's a black pair of boots again, so it's possible it's the same one wore in the photoshoot with Sly. Here's Sly still in heels with Travolta in low heeled footwear(probably half inch or so): Click Here Sly looks 1"-1.5" shorter, imo. Even if Sly has a full 2" footwear advantage, I think that adds up to him being 3"-3.5" shorter barefoot. I think assuming the heels more or less cancel each other out likely won't be far wrong. Even comparing my 2.75" Cubans to my 2" Cubans, the difference in actual height gained is a half inch max, maybe 1 cm and even if Sly has a fraction larger heel, I don't think the difference is that big because I'm almost certain both are bigger than 2" heels, but not into the size of those heels Downey wore for Iron Man 2. Here's another photo of the two back then: Click Here Footwear: Click Here If you look at Sly's knee height and proportions, I don't think he has anything beyond a typical 2" range heel.

In general, I try to avoid anything other than full pics and video with Sly because of how tricky he is. There are enough variables to begin with so adding in possible ground, tip-toes, bent knees etc. certainly doesn't make things easier.
Harris said on 10/Sep/17
What's the shortest and tallest estimate you have for his peak, Rob?
Peter181cm said on 10/Sep/17
I think he was 1.76m or 5'9.25 in good days..

Normal his height was 1.75m or 5'9

Now he is 1.73m or 5'8
Frankie68 said on 10/Sep/17
I think the only character from the old ROCKY movies that hasnt shrunk (lol) is Carl Weathers ,, He still looks as tall as he did back then , or maybe the others just werent as tall as depicted or as tall as people thought ,, Mr T shrunk ,, Sly shrunk ,, Hulk Hogan REALLY shrunk ,, and Dolph shrunk or was never 6'5 as he claimed .. & Burt Young looks 5'5 5'6 nowadays ,,
Tom said on 9/Sep/17
He goes up and down like a yo-yo. Sometimes he looks a solid 5'10'. Other times he looks no more than 5'8''. Maybe his lifts can be adjusted by pushing a button.
burby said on 9/Sep/17
Serious wedge action with Connors. Frankie has it kinda right...for Sly 2017 height.
Frankie68 said on 9/Sep/17
Travolta does not have heels on as big as Sly !! Cmon !! Not in leo's pics ,, but in risings pics The height difference looks different so who know's ,, I'll stick to my claim of Sly being under 5'8 ,,, I dont see 5'8 1/2 or 5'9 without elevators ,,
Rising - 174 cm said on 9/Sep/17
@Rob: Could be. Although Sly has done remarkably well. Sometimes, when I think Sly is looks as though he could have been a more solid 5'9" guy like 176 cm, I go back and remind myself of his shortest looking 70s appearances such as being edged by Armand Assante in Paradise Alley, at least an inch shorter than Gazzara in Capone, 3" shorter than Liotta in Cop Land(with a half inch less footwear) and just generally looking pretty short in Farewell My Lovely. I think Sly is a prime example of why we must sometimes weigh the earlier appearances more. Had Sly not slowed down on the lift wearing in 2009 and we had mostly appearances from 2003-2008 to go by, even with his obvious lifts I'd bet he'd be assumed to be a 5'9.5" guy because even by the time he filmed the 1st Expendables and started wearing normal dress shoes a lot, he was 63, so if not for Sly looking a 5'8"-5'9" range guy often in the 70s, we'd have had no way of knowing if he had been taller and lost height since. As it is, I think he's only lost a 1/4" to a 1/2" so far. I'll give him a legit 5'8 3/4" at his peak, maybe, just maybe 5'8 7/8" ;). I'm only half serious giving figures that precise, but he does really look a 5'8.5" guy to me still, or at worst a 5'8.25" guy who fools me with his posture. But to your point, we now have people thinking Dolph was always a 6'3" guy because of how he appears now and believing Clint was always a 6'2" man for the same reason. Carl Weathers appearing 6'0.5"-6'1" at age 69 still hasn't even convinced everyone he was a full 6'1"! Chuck Norris is another guy who did remarkably well to still maintain at least 172 cm at age 77 despite peaking at 174 as his Shatner maintaining about 5'7.5" at nearly a decade older than Norris despite possibly being the same height peak or at most, a half inch taller than Norris. Time will tell how Sly does against an opponent tougher than Drago, Clubber, Apollo etc.--father time!

@bernie: I agree with a 3" minimum difference, but I think it's a mistake to assume lifts with heels already that big. Both probably have heels in the 2.5"-3" difference, which accomplishes what an elevator would, except you didn't have to hide your lifts back then because big heels were in style. I have 2.75" Cuban heel boots myself, but they only boost me to 5'10.5" or so--I'll have to check again exactly when not wearing lifts inside--but even when I wear 1" lifts inside, they only make me 181 cm, so even standing on 3.75", I get 1" less than that in actual height, so even on the off chance Sly put a 1"-1.5" lift inside, the lifts wouldn't give him that much extra. You can take what I say with a grain of salt if you want, but I'm sure Rob will say that 1" lifts and 2.75" Cuban heels taking me to roughly 181 cm makes sense. I don't think some realize just how big a lift anything over 1" is. Even Robert Downey Jr. is probably putting 1"-1.5" in his high tops. If Sly and Travolta have the same size heels and we call the difference 3" then I don't believe Sly could have big enough lifts to be 4.5" shorter barefoot. An extra 1" lift inside will give him only a half to 3/4" advantage over Travolta.

Even if one argues the Travolta pics can't be proof of Sly being 5'9" because he could have an extra lift, I certainly don't think it can be used as evidence of Sly being more than 3.5" shorter either. Like I said, if we look at the two men without heels in 1997 in full body pics, Sly can easily pass for taller than 5'9", which could be posture, a subtle lift or the camera, but I think it makes it all the more doubtful Sly was less than 5'8.5" peak if Travolta is 6'0"-6'0.25". But I welcome your opinion because while I don't view 172 cm as possible, it's only an inch less than I have Sly so I don't think it's trolling either and your posts have been respectful and serious, so despite my strong disagreement, I'll always hear you out.
Brad said on 8/Sep/17
6' 5" Chuck versus a 5' 8.5" Sly in ramped up customs.
Rising - 174 cm said on 8/Sep/17
Here's Sly pretty recently with an actual solid 5'7" man Jerry Bruckheimer: Click Here As most would expect, Bruckheimer -- who Rob lists 171 cm -- looks noticeably shorter than Sly. This was taken in the middle of a solid 2 year period where I can't recall one event Sly attended with suspicious looking shoes so the usual excuse will be pretty baseless in this case. Sly being taller than Bruckheimer is a truth as obvious as Sly being shorter than Travolta.
Nolifts81 said on 7/Sep/17
Guys I've met in Milan the famous Pr of Sly Stallone when He come in Italy.Her name is Tiziana Rocca and She is 181 cm barefoot.She says that Sly is Not so Short and was only a couple of inches shorter than her. In The hotels He was often barefoot so She and her stuff know well His height. She said To me 176 cm barefoot when He was young. A Hair over 5'9". I believe her! I've always thought He was 176cm.
Frankie68 said on 7/Sep/17
@rising ,, look at leo's pics ,,, look good ,, look at the cowboy boots of him in the chair ,, the foot angle ,, the size of the heel ,,, I know we got off on the wrong foot but its all good ,, i would chat with you anytime ,, im just a ball breaker & if i offended you in any way im sorry !!! But u gotta admit he looks awfully short in leo's pics !! And he got the gassed up boots on !!! We'll anyway sorry about everything & peace out !!!
Frankie68 said on 7/Sep/17
@ leo ,, a 6' travolta towering over Stallone in his massive cowboy boots ,, it dont get any better ,, maybe travolta is standing on a box 😂😂...
Rising - 174 cm said on 7/Sep/17
Btw, speaking of early on, has anyone seen Sly in Police Story? I watched his appearance again recently and fortunately, also found it online to link: Look at a young Sly in 1975 guest-starring with 6'5.5" Chuck Connors: Click Here Even if we say Chuck was a flat 6'5" by his 50s, a 5'7" man would literally be a full head smaller (i.e., his head could rest below Connors' chin). Although Sly undoubtedly benefits walking on the higher sidewalk, his head winds up reaching more around Connors' nose when they're walking side by side. In fact, Sly doesn't look the least bit short in this episode if you remember Connors was about 9" over average height for his generation. 5'7" is impossible. 5'8.5"-5'9" range is accurate.
Rising - 174 cm said on 7/Sep/17
You heard him, Rob! It's been proven. You must downgrade Sly to 5'7" now. Of course, Travolta has heels just as big as Sly's if you look at Frankie's footwear pic and the difference is about 3" in that first side by side magazine cover. So really, ceteris paribus, Sly looks about 5'9" with Travolta.

Of course, as long as proof qualifies as pics without feet visible: Click Here
Footwear: Click Here

Here they are in 1997 sans heels: Click Here Click Here

A weak 5'9" should look short with a solid 6 footer. Of course, Sly showed in 1993 that need not always be the case due to footwear, but in the absence of that, what do we expect?
Editor Rob: as some of these stars enter their 70's and begin shrinking more, their peak heights might be 'forgotten' by many...Sly if he reaches 80 will begin to look 5ft 7 I feel, Arnie could be a 5ft 10 looking guy at most...
bernie said on 7/Sep/17
@ Leo - ok, both have heels, but i guess lifts are concealed for sure in Sly's boots, could be easily 1 - 1,5 inch.
So considering this assumption, i give Sly no more than 172 cm barefeet, caus in pic 2 the height difference is clearly minimum 3".
opinions are welcome...
Frankie68 said on 7/Sep/17
@leo ,, the best pics & probably the most convincing of a 5'7 claim,, He is short in the pics with those boots on ,, imagine without those boots on ,, Leo you have proved my under 5'8 claim !!! Lol !!! And the best part is those are from back in the day ,,, theres no way he was or is 5'8 or over ,,
Leo said on 7/Sep/17
With Travolta(6ft).
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Rising - 174 cm said on 6/Sep/17
@Pierre: You think Brigitte at 6'0" would be too tall to judge a 5'8.5"-5'9" man? Is Rob too tall to judge a 5'5" man? According to loka, she actually said 175 cm another time, but 174-175 is the one verified and that is specific. Narrowing his height down to 1 cm, or maybe she meant between it at 174.5. I'm sure she has a very good idea of how tall the man she lived with for a few years is having seen him barefoot countless times and filmed 2 movies with was. They had to make Sly as tall as Brigitte in Cobra so that would have given an even better idea of how big the difference was between them. I'm not saying Sly was definitely a full 175, just that he was somewhere from 174 to 175. Brigitte seems to have a good perception of height as she estimated Eddie Murphy between 5'9" and 5'9.5". I'd put Murphy in the middle at 176. I'm sure height came up frequently between Sly and Brigitte. Back when they were married, she would say Sly was 5'10"-5'10.5" and 6 ft with shoes as you see here while Eddie Murphy refers to Sly as 5'9": Click Here It's not so unlikely Brigitte may have even been told by Sly to say he's 5'10"-5'10.5" in public. DiFabrizio said he "evened up" Sly and Brigitte so is it a stretch that they may have sometimes coordinated what kind of shoes they'd appear in together? Imo, she's by far the best reference we have and her estimate also lines up with the vast majority of evidence.
Rising - 174 cm said on 6/Sep/17
@Frankie: I'm referring to the character's height NOT the man himself. Hulk Hogan's character was supposed to be nearly 7', hence the box, by pointing out this fact, it doesn't suggest Hogan was actually anywhere close to that. So yes, Rocky's height listed in the film is a valid reference for Rocky's height. It's a well known fact the Rocky Balboa character was supposed to be 5'11" and they clearly emphasized Clubber's roughly 2" height advantage in the close ups, which lends credence to the 6'1" figure I've seen from multiple sources for the character. Mr. T passes for at least a 6'0" guy there so he's over that in cowboy boots, which add 1.6"-1.7" over barefoot height. I don't know where Sly is up on his toes. You have trouble following basic logic, though. I argue the logical position is that for Sly to remark about needing lifts to fight Dolph, this must have not been typical prior to that, otherwise, it'd have been superfluous to mention it specifically for Lundgren. It's possible I've erred in this conclusion, but I'll take my chances with the most logical conclusion.

As for the rest. Grow up. You've made the joke implying I'm gay for Sly a half dozen times. It's not even a good joke to begin with considering arguing Sly is 5'8.5"-5'9" instead of 5'10"-5'10.75" doesn't exactly sound like a means to that end. If this were my goal, it also wouldn't do me any favors to argue with RichardSpain when he says Sly was 177 cm. Also, why am I not surprised you can't figure out the arduous task of linking pictures? Listen to yourself "IF I knew how to post pics, I'd debunk you!" Yes, and if I hadn't been too young to fight Mike Tyson in his prime, I'd have beaten him! One statement is literally as meaningful as the other. As Harris said, I've posted a mountain of evidence to support this. More evidence than has really been posted on any other page.

Btw, Sly was obviously taller than Burt Young. You can clearly see this with Sly in 0.6" Converse and Burt in 1" boots, yet Sly is still clearly taller: Click Here Footwear is quite visible around 1:08, as is a wide shot of them. Burt was 5'7.5"-5'8" and Sly 5'8.5"-5'9". The difference looks a bit bigger than that because of Burt's horrendous posture. Btw, get Hooked on Phonics or something to at least get you up to a 2nd grade reading and writing level. Trying to decipher the language in your last posts just gave me a migraine.

And if you really want to get into armchair psychology, it seems evident you WANT Sly to be as short as possible. This is obvious from the obvious joy you get in proclaiming Sly to be 5'7". Your enthusiasm gave it away and because you haven't actually provided any evidence for this. It seems you literally just come to this page to have a forum to proclaim Sly to be 5'7". This could be a vain attempt to make yourself more impressive by convincing yourself you're as tall or taller as an actual impressive, accomplished man. Or if I stoop to your juvenile mentality, I might say you hold a grudge against the man, perhaps because he spurned your advances? Haha, I questioned your sexuality. Aren't I clever?
Rising - 174 cm said on 6/Sep/17
Sly claimed 5'10" on twitter at one point, but this was around the first Expendables when I believe he was still at peak height. I don't know of anything more recent He definitely pulled off taller than Michael Rooker in Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Personally, I think both are 5'8.5". Boxing heights are often a joke, though. Joe Frazier at 5'11"-5'11.5"? Maybe 5'9".

Btw, this is kind of funny pic: Click Here I couldn't help but think of a photo where they order them in height and imagining Sly's satisfaction at passing for one of the "tall" action stars with Bruce and Arnie, when in reality, he should be in front with Kurt.
Brad said on 5/Sep/17
What's the latest Sly "I'm this tall" height fib? I would guess 5-10, a full deuce over barefoot reality '17. His 5' 10.75" is laughing gas. Marciano's height has always been a joke in programs/magazines/video.
Rising - 174 cm said on 3/Sep/17
Here's a couple of good sitting shots of the black Hogan sneakers in 2008: Click Here He may have bought them a size big to fit lifts into them easier. I forgot to mention, though that "5 inch lifts" don't really exist. There are some truly massive elevator boots that advertise as giving that much total, but you might get 3.75"-4" total height. Even a guy like Sly getting 2.5"-2.75" range often a decade ago is at the higher end.
Rising - 174 cm said on 3/Sep/17
@Tony: Men over 5'9" sometimes are concerned enough to wear big lifts (e.g., Burt Reynolds, Vin Diesel, Dean Martin), you're right you have to subtract an inch or two a lot, but Sly doesn't claim 5'9" himself. He claims 5'10" and for a while 5'10.5" with an early attempt claiming 5'10.75"(I believe so he could be taller than Rocky Marciano, who I doubt was as tall as listed himself). Most lift wearers are more average height, which makes sense because when you're Joe Pesci's size or even a bit bigger, they won't give you the illusion of average height. Actually, I use to see an infomercial for lifts and one of their lines they used to pitch it was "Poor Mike is only 5-foot-9"

@Brad: Fair enough. I still go with 5'8.5" minimum 3 years ago, but I do think he's lost at least a fraction since. Not much, though because in his shortest looking 70's appearance, I could swear he looks shorter than he does even today. As far as Banderas, I really don't know. He wears some of the biggest footwear I've seen. If you check out the premiere for Interview with the Vampire, he's really not looking taller than Cruise despite cowboy boots.
Harris said on 3/Sep/17
@Tony, how can you say that just because he was an avid lift-wearer he couldn't have been over 5'8" at the most? If you noticed he actually managed to look 5'11" range quite a lot throughout the years, which indicates that he obviously wanted to appear "tall" and 5'9" is merely an average height for a guy. Anything under 5'8.5" peak for Sly is simply fantasy. RisingForce has posted a ton of very clear photographic proof to support Rob's listings for a while now. How much evidence do some of you guys need?!?!
Frankie68 said on 2/Sep/17
Mr .T height on google search & on this site comes up as 5'10 ,, so 6'1 is laughable , if your gonna come to the table with a debate at least know what your talking about ,, The video game also gave a made up story of Clubber's life that was not depicted in the movie at all along with your 6'1 claim smart guy ! To me ,, because i have a brain ,, the 5'10 height refrence works well in relation to Carl Weathers cause in the pics you provided Mr T 's cowboy boots probably push him close to 6' ,, I also dont know how to load pics to this site cause id debunk u all day !!! Theres plenty of pics out there to prove how short your man crush truly is ,,
Frankie68 said on 2/Sep/17
@tony ,, your spot on !! Good stuff & agree 100% ,, @rising ,,im responding to your immature comments about "shoe lifts in boxing shoes disgusting " and Clubber Lang's height in a video game or Rocky's height on a computer fight against Dixon ,, those are your facts !!! LOL !! Your should pay more attention to your own inconsistancy's by scarring at the photo you provided in the ring from rocky 3 ,, Sly is tip toeing so bad it is distgusting !! He'd be no bigger than burt young !! If he's lucky !!
Pierre said on 2/Sep/17
@Rising=a video game isn't good to prove the real height of people.You write his ex-wife confirmed he was 174/175,which isn't very precise and can be an indication he was not looking a full 175 barefoot;i think more she has given an approximative number in an interview,i doubt she has measured him;and she was very high compared to him so more difficult to her to guess his real height.
hardguy said on 2/Sep/17
if you use the face measuring rule he has a really large face length
Tony said on 1/Sep/17
5"8 at most at his peak and that is being generous, he was probably shorter. I don't think a man at 5"9 (average height) in the 70s/80s (when he was at his peak) would have been so concerned about his height to justify wearing 5 inch lift shoes, so he had to be below 5"9. With celebrities and athletes you almost always have to subtract an inch or two to get their true height.
Rising - 174 cm said on 1/Sep/17
If Arnold was down to 5'11.5" by 2010 then I'd say Sly looks just about 175 cm at the Expendables Vegas screening: Click Here

All I can say is I think Arnie was down to 5'11.5" max by the time The Last Stand was released in early 2013. I'd say he was a flat 6' into his 2nd term as Governor and then lost a half inch sometime from his second term to his return to films. We do get a pretty good comparison of Sly and Statham sans slouch from that same screening: Click Here
Rising - 174 cm said on 1/Sep/17
@Frankie: Here you are with ad hominem attacks again when you complain me supposedly "bashing" you. Speaking of ignorance, the Clubber Lang character was supposed to be 6'1" according to the Rocky video game among other information -- why do you think Clubber is listed 6'1" on this page? Click Here The Rocky Balboa character is supposed to be 5'11" and they even show this on the stats in the graphic in Rocky Balboa so naturally, Clubber had to be taller than Mr. T's own 5'11" claim. Carl Weathers is still 6'0.5"-6'1" at 69 so there's no grounds for doubting he was a legit 6'1" in the early 80s, yet Mr. T looks noticeably taller than his claimed height in comparison: Click Here Click Here

There's really no need for me to dignify irrelevant, ignorant personal attacks as my personal life is not the issue, but I have work. In every subject, if someone seeks to discredit the person rather than the argument, it's because they don't have an argument. I was and still am perfectly willing to make sure I'm civil to you if and when you grow up. Unlike you, It appears you're right about one thing -- people believing what they want. I won't stoop to your level in speculating why, but speaking of Sly's wives, one of them who saw Sly barefoot repeatedly for years confirmed he was 174-175 cm.

Now don't tell me your attention span is so limited you can't follow this post.
Brad said on 1/Sep/17
Those boots on the tank Banderas has on coupled with his line-up shot is amazing...he has to be 5' 7.5". 3 years ago Sly was 5' 8.5" or 5' 8 and 1/4", I think he lost it the last three to 5' 8".
Rising - 174 cm said on 31/Aug/17
Here's an example of why even as late as Expendables 3, I'm not seeing a clear indication Sly had lost anything noticeable, maybe 1/4".

I'm almost positive Sly had normal dress shoes at the Expendables 3 Cannes red carpet, but I'm also pretty sure Sly had a lift in his boot for the press conference Click Here Not a huge lift, but the position of his foot doesn't look quite right. I would think he gets somewhere in the 2" range out of those with the lift. Mel Gibson on the other hand has thicker footwear as usual, but 1.25" New Balance and I don't think he has a lift in them, especially since he was just slightly taller than Snipes who only had 0.6" Converse. Sly did have about an inch on Gibson at the press conference: Click Here While on video at the red carpet with both in dress shoes, they were very close in height. Then with Statham, he's quite a bit taller: Click Here as you also see throughout the videos: Click Here but more notable is if you look at 1:44, he pulls off no more than 1.5" shorter than Arnie, who has a pretty decent heel on his boot himself: Click Here Though in Statham's case, he looks to have closer to half inch than inch shoes: Click Here so Sly's advantage is more with him than it would be with Arnie or Gibson. But when you look at the boots Banderas has: Click Here and then consider he still appears pretty short with the rest of the cast, he's the one guy out of the Expendables and these action stars in general who I wouldn't completely rule out measuring a bit shy of 5'8". I still assume he didn't supplement his heels with extra lifts that time because he's shown he can pull off taller with really thick, big heeled boots.

Does he not look comparably tall on that occasion to when he wore lifts regularly? I think you can also tell by his posture when he has lifts. Maybe it's just me, but if you a lot of those events with a suit and dress shoes, his posture is good, but much more natural without his chest out like that. At this particular time 3 years ago, I'd say barefoot, Sly was 5'8.75", maybe as short as 5'8.5" while Snipes was similarly in the 5'8.5"-5'8.75" range as he's always been, Gibson looking about 5'8.75" or a weak 5'9" there, Arnold still likely 5'11.5", Statham 5'8.5" and Banderas a flat 5'8".
Rising - 174 cm said on 31/Aug/17
@loka: I agree that it's irrelevant, although Jewish in this sense means more ethnic background. Many Jews are secular or even atheists. Of course, Stallone is still predominantly Italian ethnically and was raised Catholic, but no longer according to himself belongs to one specific church, but does believe in Christianity based on his interview with Pat Robertson. But his exact ethnic background does not change his identity. For instance, I heard a while back that De Niro does not even have as much Italian heritage as I do, but thinks of himself as Italian due to his upbringing and love of Italian culture.
Frankie68 said on 31/Aug/17
Illusion or ignorance, people believe what they believe, they want the short guy taller & the tall guy shorter ! Enough with the 5 paragraph essay's already get a job instead ! Sly's married he's not looking for a girlfriend ! Mr t or Clubber Lang has never been depicted as 6'1 in the movie ever & was clearly much shorter than a strong 6 footer like Carl Weathers even in promo pics where Mr T has his big cowboy boots on ,, Carl still clears him easily !
MJKoP said on 31/Aug/17
loka said on 30/Aug/17
Why saying this Bull**** about his religion ? He has always been Christian. Stop this non-sense, please. And it has nothing to do on this page.


We're talking about ethnicity, heritage, and ancestry; try learning the difference before opening your mouth....
loka said on 30/Aug/17
Why saying this Bull**** about his religion ? He has always been Christian. Stop this non-sense, please. And it has nothing to do on this page.
MJKoP said on 29/Aug/17
James said on 28/Aug/17
I didn't even know Stallone was Jewish until yesterday. 5'8" seems right for his peak height.

As Rising said, he's only 25% Jewish, and 25% French....and, of course, 50% Italian(hence his nickname 'The Italian Stallion')
Brad said on 29/Aug/17
His Rocky footwear was custom made with wedge mush like his ramped up Rambo boots. Sly used standards in the training footage. You can see him on his tip toes at 5' 8.5" training with Weathers. Hogan looks like Andre in that shot...just dwarfing anything.
Rising - 174 cm said on 29/Aug/17
@THE REAL ANNONYMOUS: Yeah, they did look bulkier, but he also looked too tall. If you see him on set in costume, he looks taller than Mike Tyson: Click Here yet when the 2 were inducted into the boxing hall of fame, Sly is a good inch shorter: Click Here (At the start of video and 10:59)

Sly seemed more height conscious that whole period. Every appearance on and off screen for about 5 years, he had bulky shoes or boots without exception, his chest out and a "lift walk" you don't really see when he's promoting the Expendables for instance. Obviously, he didn't start wearing lifts in 2003, but in the past, I do think he'd have normal shoes at times, hence the short rumors, but I can't think of one example for about The Contender through the last Rambo where he didn't either have those Hogan sneakers or some kind of elevator boot. If he wore lifts in the ring before Rocky 4, it'd have been for the scene with Hogan, but not Mr. T as I read Sly dropped down to 163 to enhance the "David vs Goliath" imagery in the film. I do think Mr. T was about 2 inches taller than Sly as is, but that type of difference could have easily been gotten rid of in the stare down if Sly wanted, but instead, they seemed to emphasize it. If I'm not mistaken, the Clubber character was supposed to be 6'1" and Rocky Balboa is supposed to be 5'11". Sly himself was only claiming 5'10" in 1982, at least based on an interview he did promoting First Blood.
Frankie68 said on 28/Aug/17
@loka,, good stuff ,,
THE REAL ANNONYMOUS said on 28/Aug/17
Great post Rising
I pretty much agree with everything you say in it. I do believe that in the last movie Rock Balboa that he was wearing lifts in his boxing shoes
The boots look way different than he wore in all his other movies.
Rising - 174 cm said on 28/Aug/17
Sly is supposedly only 1/4" Ukrainian Jewish, iirc and at least 5'8" even today.

@loka: Yeah, Dolph was obviously on a box with Carl despite not specifically saying so: Click Here Truthfully, he didn't look any taller than usual in the glove touch with Sly: Click Here Although maybe he meant slightly before that because I don't see why he'd have lied about it, but he was a minimum 7" taller than Sly as it is.
James said on 28/Aug/17
I didn't even know Stallone was Jewish until yesterday. 5'8" seems right for his peak height.
loka said on 28/Aug/17
To rising and Frankie. Dolph was on a box in front of Carl Weathers too. There are several pics of this scene that shows that he has 20 cm on him where, obvisouly he didn't have in reality. The same with the press conference. Dolph is sitting on something to make him appear taller next to Apollo Creed.
Jim Hopper said on 28/Aug/17
I cannot believe he was near 5-9 prime. Imo 5-8 prime max. Now around 5-7,5.
Rising - 174 cm said on 28/Aug/17
I don't see any proof Sly's boxing shoes are "wedged up", much less to the point of being "disgusting." His remarks during Rocky 4 suggest it wasn't typical for him to box with lifts, but it is possible if he needed to do it for practical reasons with Lundgren, then the one other time he may have(pre-Rocky Balboa) could have been with Hogan -- who was probably slightly taller than Lundgren.

@Pierre: I've considered the possibility of a small loss, but then it's best not to assume too much without seeing their feet in that pic and the pose is probably not the best to determine exact differences. As I've said to you a few weeks ago, there are a few photos where we can see their feet: Click Here Of course, I included the last 2 just to complete the amount of barefoot pics. All 5 photos are from summer 2013, so exactly 4 years ago or within a month. Jennifer was 45 at this point turning 46. Women do lose height on average at a more rapid rate than men, but she's in outstanding shape in her own right so I think we'd be looking at no more than a fraction loss, but it's at least as likely Sly(at 67 in my photos) would have lost a small fraction, but I doubt more than that since he really doesn't look much, if any taller in young photos without lifts like the ones you posted. But if you look at the first of my pics in particular, you see even Sly's legs don't look that short compared to Jennifer's. This is significant because women -- especially models like Jennifer -- have relatively longer legs, while Sly has relatively short legs compared to her torso.

In short, I think there's very little height difference between the two. Sly likely a weak 5'9"(until the last few years) and Jennifer a more solid 5'9". I doubt the difference could be much more if you consider how short someone like Richard Gere(closer to 5'8.5" in recent years, imo) can look with 5'10" Carey Lowell or you see a 5'9" Michael Douglas on his toes with a 5-8ish Sharon Stone who has at most, a half inch footwear advantage: Click Here In general, men in the 5'8"-5'9" range can look short with taller women in the 5'8"-5'10" range, especially when they wear heels. Even a 5'7.5" range woman in heels can make an average height man look short. So I think Sly measures up at least as solidly as you'd expect at his presumed height. Another example would be Statham and Rosie Huntington Whitley.

@Richard: I disagree. I think his height must have been somewhere from 5'8.5" to 5'9" peak and nowadays from 5'8" to 5'8.5". I think we can safely rule out 5'10" or near it. I love Sly, but he's not telling the truth about his height. He's height conscious and I don't blame him as I am too, but he also tries to live up to his image, like many in Hollywood. 5'10" sounds better than 5'8.5"-5'9". This is how a liftless Sly looked with a 5'10" man: Click Here Assuming their eye levels are representative and Gazzarra doesn't have much ground advantage, he looks at least an inch taller in the first pic. In the second, he's wearing those slipper type shoes shown in the 3rd pic so the difference isn't quite so big. Gazzarra admitted later that he was "barely" 5'10" himself, so you could say he may have only been 177 cm. So imo, these are the probabilities I'd go with for peak height(through at least 2012, possibly 2014)

175 cm: 30%
174.5 cm: 30%
175.3 cm: 25%
174 cm: 15%

I don't think he could have been more or less than that range. The reason I don't have 174 a higher probability is he still looks that height to me and as late as 2014, that was the bare minimum I could see him.
Frankie68 said on 27/Aug/17
@loka that pic is too funny !! To be fair Hogan in the movie is suppose to be almost 7ft ,, and Sly's rocky 3 boxing shoes are so wedged up its disgusting !!
Rising - 174 cm said on 27/Aug/17
@loka: I always knew Hogan stood on a box for that scene. Hogan was supposed to be a nearly 7' tall Andre the Giant type when in reality, he was probably 6'5" range. Hulk wasn't much taller than Dolph Lundgren, who incidentally, also claimed he stood on a box for the "I must break you" line: Click Here

@Slim: Perhaps, I go back and forth, but then he could still look that as late as 2014 with the other Expendables. So maybe he didn't really lose anything until the last 3 years. I've thought roughly 174.5 cm as it was between the range Brigitte gave. And he still does look 5'8.5" more than anything else to me. But then again, Carl Weathers at just 1.5 years younger doesn't look to have lost much and he doesn't have the perfect posture Sly does.
Richardspain said on 27/Aug/17
To Rising;

I think we must consider the 5'10 mark to friend Sly too.
In the top of this website we can read that Stallone said in two or three occasions he was at least 5'10.

The question is if he was a 5'9 guy or he was a 5'10 in peak and if we trust in Stallone said .

Anyway I think he was a good 176cm/177cm in his prime or a strong 5'9 sure. 5'10 maybe with footwear.

So we conclude the stallone's height in peak was in somewhere between 175'5 -177cm. I think the next options :

175'5cm. 20% possibility
176 cm. 30% Possibility
176'5cm. 30% possibility
177cm. 20% possibility

175 is low for him in peak but 178cm much for him. So 176-177 Max could be.( between 5'9-5'9.5
Pierre said on 27/Aug/17
Click Here = listed 5"9'young Jennifer Flavin and Sly.She don't look in very straight posture here.We can not see their feet but i think she could have lost a little height now.
Slim183 said on 27/Aug/17
5'8.75" would be better for his peak.
loka said on 26/Aug/17
To all of you... You will never believe this.

This is the irony of the story. Watch closely.

Click Here
loka said on 25/Aug/17
My mistake. The Guy on the pic is not Duran. There some goods pics of Sly and Duran on google that show 5 cm between the 2.
Brad said on 24/Aug/17
I think Harrison would put 2.5" on Sly in '17.
Dmeyer said on 24/Aug/17
In thé walking scène entering thé plane he looks 2in taller than Banderas yet you Can Sée his boot dont look suspicious , but hé is Closer to caméra and hé raised 1 shoulder to emplify the differance
Rising - 174 cm said on 24/Aug/17
@THE REAL ANNONYMOUS: My mistake, thanks. I looked too quickly and only at the height difference as I hadn't thought to question whether someone had been correctly identified, but yeah that kid doesn't even resemble Duran much at all now that I look. I think the difference in Rocky 2 was easily smaller than Sly with that kid, but I do see about 2": Click Here When Duran goes over and puts his glove on Sly's head around 27 seconds makes it seem to me that Duran is a fair amount shorter, imo, but a precise difference would be difficult to judge. I see Sly anywhere from 5'8.5"-5'9" so I would expect the difference somewhere in that 1.5"-2" range if Duran is exactly 5'7".
Rising - 174 cm said on 24/Aug/17
@Brad: Agreed on Slash, Glenn Hughes and Cagney.

@RichardSpain: No problem and most of us know Sly is well over 5'7". There's never a shred of evidence to support these claims. bernie is probably the best of this crowd, but the evidence is certainly not on their side. The question is where exactly around 5'8" or 5'9" Sly is and was. I still stick to 5'8.75"-5'9" range peak and 5'8.25"-5'8.5" now. The clearest example to me is with similar height guys(Statham, Van Damme, Snipes etc.) Of course, Sly's posture could make the difference look bigger: Click Here I'd guess the boots Statham has are an example of only 1" boots. Nowadays, those 2 look the same height to me, so I still see Sly more 5'8.5", but I really don't know if he was the full 5'9". Having seen Wesley Snipes with Mel Gibson, though, I'm not sure he's under 5'8.75" so if that's the case I'd still give Sly that much during late 2014 when the Expendables 3 was released. I'll add Mickey Rourke as a 5'11" peak and 5'10.5" current guy and if you compare Sly to Rourke these days, the difference is no larger than it was in 2010 when I believe both were peak height so Sly has lost very little. Actually, really looking at Sly in 2014, I can't say for sure he had lost anything by that point. It was only in 2015 that it became clearer to me. Making it to late 60s before losing anything noticeable is quite good.

There ya go, Brad, feet/inches.
Alucard said on 24/Aug/17
5'6 or 5'7 at best, massive lift wearer... Roberto Duran was around 5'7 and Sly had lifts in his boxing shoes too... You can also see how short he is in the rehearsal for Rocky 1, the part in the ring with 5'11 Carl Weathers...
THE REAL ANNONYMOUS said on 24/Aug/17
ok just looked at the Stallone and Duran pics again and that could be him... it was also in a group of other pics.
I looked at many pics with other celebs and he never looks short but can look tall at times.
5'9 in his youth is not out of the question... i dont see how he could have ever pulled off what he has at 5'8... just think he would have been laughed right out of all the studios offices.
THE REAL ANNONYMOUS said on 24/Aug/17
Hi Rising
The pic loka posted of Duran is not Duran. The footage and pics ive seen of Sly and Duran i thought they were a lot closer in height
maybe an 1-1.5 in Sly's favor
RichardSpain said on 24/Aug/17
@Rising, I agree you, this space is just to speak about stallone but sometimes I like to remember my last guesses of my favourites "star system" of Hollywood. Repit only sometimes I hope don't disturb.

Regards and thanks for your commentary !
Brad said on 23/Aug/17
Slash isn't 5' 10.5" and Hughes is 5' 9" tops. Cagney said 5' 8"? He wins the fib line.
Rising - 174 cm said on 23/Aug/17
@loka: Sly looks a solid 5'9", imo with Duran as he did sparring in Rocky 2. But do you have a link to the footage with Van Damme? What makes you certain the man is 181 cm? Like I said, if Van Damme were really that tall then I'd conclude Sly actually was about 5'10". Arnold also looked about 3 inches taller than Jean-Claude in 2012 as well. Van Damme was the same range as Sly and Statham in 2012. I'm almost positive all 3 were within 1 cm of each other.

@Brad: I think the days of Ford having 2.5" on Sly may have been over by then. Ford using the "Sly" arm on the shoulder trick could get a solid 2" on him: Click Here Although not so much here: Click Here Sly's shoes only look an inch to me. Click Here If Ford was still 2.5" taller I have doubts he could still really stretch up to it. Sly didn't look like he had lost much on the other hand and had held up much better physically despite only being 4 years younger. I bet a peak Harrison Ford would have had 3.25" to 3.5" on Sly barefoot, but Sly was still at 5'8.5"-5'8.75" in 2014 while Ford was maybe 5'10.5"-5'10.75", imo.

@Richard: A lot of those don't really have much to do with Sly, but I see no chance of Pitt shrinking 1 cm.
RichardSpain said on 23/Aug/17
to Frankie68

5'7 is very low for Sly.

In next video Stallone was the star guest in Spanish Talk Show "El hormiguero" Click Here

The presenter is Pablo Motos who is a 165 cm . You can see Pablo next to Stallone. Stallone is still big, very corpulent.

I see still a good 174 cm for Stallone. And 176/177 cm when he was younger.
Brad said on 23/Aug/17
I hate CM listings. Put up the feet and inch too.
Frankie68 said on 23/Aug/17
Stallone's fairyland height = 5'10 His reality is 5'7 !!!
Richardspain said on 23/Aug/17
Real heights when they are or were barefoot

Stallone: 176 peak, 174 today
Arnold: 185 peak, 181 today
Van Damme: 175 peak, 174 max today
Statham: 175'5
Lundgren: 194 peak, 190 today
Kurt Russell: 175.5
Harrison Ford: 183'7 peak 180 today
Banderas: 174 peak 173 today
Brad Pitt, 180 peak 179 nowadays
DiCaprio 180
George Clooney 179'5 peak 178 today
Liam neeson 193 cm peak 192 nowadays
Bill Murray 187peak 185 today
Clint Eastwood 190 cm peak 184 nowadays
Sean Connery 188 peak 184 today
loka said on 22/Aug/17
To rising : In Fact, Van Damme and the guy who is 181 cm were on a tv show... Perfect flat ground. Really JCVD appeared 177cm.
loka said on 22/Aug/17
Sly with Roberto Duran (170 cm).

Click Here
Brad said on 22/Aug/17
He must have on his Rambo custom wedged italian footwear maker boots with Harrison Ford. Barefoot Ford would spot him by 2.5 in that shot.
Rising - 174 cm said on 22/Aug/17
@loka: Sly seemed taller than Van Damme in all the 90s Planet Hollywood pics. I'd believe Sly at a legit 5'10" if Van Damme had been almost that tall himself. Maybe he always had his cowboy boots on(though JCVD had cowboy boots on at times as well), but then for Expendables 2, Sly seems to edge out a 51 year old Van Damme and in one of those cases, I showed Sly's ankle sitting and it seemed a safe bet of no lifts. To be 177 cm peak, Van Damme would have to have lost about 1" by 51 years old, which I don't believe. Van Damme never looked taller than Chuck Norris in all of their appearances together in the 80s and 90s and compare him to 5'6" Bolo in Bloodsport or when he appeared barefoot with Regis and Kathy Lee. Seems like a clear 174-175 cm guy, imo. Maybe the ground was off in your friend's video.
Rising - 174 cm said on 22/Aug/17
@bernie: The scene is not good enough to judge. Low angle, head down down, not the same distance from the camera and it's about 1 second and they're turning after bumping. They look similar in height to me, but we can't tell exact height from something like that. I would have believed 5'8" for Sly seeing him carry in a doped up Robert Mitchum in Farewell My Lovely, but a better comparison is Capone since we see Sly more with Ben Gazzara. Gazzara is taller, but about an inch to an inch and a half, which adds up with 5'8.5"-5'9". Similarly, Sly next to 5'6" Henry Winkler in Lords of Flatbush promo looks noticeably bigger, a good 3 inches: Click Here He can't be only 1.5"-2" taller there. Same with Woody Allen, he would not be able to look down onto his head like that. Actually, Colin Farrell and Ewan McGregor do not look taller than Sly did here with a 71-72 year old Woody Allen: Click Here Rob lists them at 5'10" and 5'9.5", respectively, though I think Colin is 5'9.5" and Ewan 5'9.25", but even so, it's a good bet Woody was shorter than 35 years earlier.

@Brad: I forgot James Cagney....the man could look proportionately like Joe Pesci onscreen and there he is claiming 5'8"! Burgess Meredith is another little guy who claimed 5'8". Yeah, Hughes is a mile away from 6', he should have been lucky to get away with 5'10", but even at 5'9", Hughes is clearly taller than Slash, who claims 5'10.5", so Slash is giving himself a good 2"-2.5". There are a lot who go beyond the 2" rule.
bernie said on 22/Aug/17
@ Rising - 174cm - What about the wallet scene in Prisoner of Second Avenue with S. Stallone?
Stallone looks definately a good inch shorter than 174 - 175cm Jack Lemmon when they crash into each other in 1975....
Shoulders lower, clearly shorter Stalllone is....
Brad said on 21/Aug/17
Yea, I've met Hughes...that's 3". Yes, Vin, 3" fib.
loka said on 21/Aug/17
To Rising. I know someone who is 181 cm for sure and who met JCVD in 2001. There is a video about it. Van Damme and the guy are in basket shoes. The Guy is taller with only 3 or 4 cm. No more.
Rising - 174 cm said on 21/Aug/17
One thing I noticed is Sly looked taller in the Expendables 3 and on set than the 1st 2 films.
Pulled off about 3" taller than Antonio Banderas in this wide shot: Click Here
He looked close to Harrison Ford: Click Here And Robert Davi: Click Here
Pulled off about an inch taller than Mel Gibson: Click Here

It's funny because I'd say to say he was consistently looking 5'10" and even 5'11". Of course, wearing boots like this for some scenes: Click Here may explain the 5'11" appearance Yet in the Expendables 2, Chuck Norris appeared to edge him out! Norris also appeared to edge Sly at the Expendables 2 premiere, but his footwear advantage was noticeable then. I also noticed Sly was basically alternating between normal looking dress shoes and more suspicious boots for the Expendables 3 events while for the Expendables 2, he pretty much wore normal looking footwear at most events. Typically, I'd consider Banderas and Gibson's footwear to be as suspicious as Sly's, though this is the best shot I could find of Gibson's boots until I rewatch the film: Click Here I do wonder if these lift wearers ever discuss footwear when appearing together. It would be funny if Sly told Mel and Antonio to leave the lifts to him, but I'm guessing Chuck Norris is the one man not even Rambo would dare make footwear demands with. Making footwear demands to Chuck is demanding his footwear wind up in your face!

I did notice Sly looking pretty close to Arnie at times in Escape Plan as well, despite probably a near 3" difference barefoot at the time, but seeing Sly's boots, I'd think he had something extra in them for that film: Click Here He did show up to the Comic Con screening in cowboy boots looking even closer to Arnold's height, but the odd thing is while wearing lifts more for these films and events in 2013-2014, he then wore even thinner footwear sometimes not even looking a full inch from 2015 when Creed came out up until his footwear grew again a few months back when Guardians of the Galaxy 2 was released. Although the one exception was Grudge Match between Escape Plan and Expendables 3 when Sly appeared shorter and his footwear normal, perhaps due to appearing with De Niro who was maybe 5'7.5" at that time.

@Harris: Good call on Corey Feldman claiming 5'8", that one may take the cake. Typically I don't care what anyone chooses to claim as they can be believed or not, but I must admit that a man so blatantly short claiming a pretty normal height like 5'8" is a bit irritating to me. I'll add an honorable mention for Johnny Depp claiming 5'11". Seeing Depp with a friend of mine, I'm not sure he's above 5'8.5" and I think Sly would have edged Depp.

Btw loka, I agree with you and Dolph as well.
Wipeout said on 21/Aug/17
Peak 5ft 9.75 in.
Today 5ft 8.5 in.
Rising - 174 cm said on 20/Aug/17
@loka: All possible, imo, except Van Damme at 177, I really can't see that one or anything over 5'9" max for Van Damme. If I had to guess who was taller between Sly and Van Damme peak, I'd guess Sly, but they could have been the same height. Both were probably still around peak height during the Expendables 2 and Sly appeared to edge JCVD. I'd add Banderas and guess him 172.5-173 cm range. As for Sly, I don't think he's above 174 cm today, but if Statham is 175 or even 174.5 then I'd say Sly was that tall. Similarly, if I'm also wrong about Michael Rooker being 174 these days then it'd be possible Sly is still 174.5-175 since even considering lifts, he looked convincingly taller than Rooker this year so I wouldn't think there'd be much difference. I do think Sly may have been 5'8.75" as recent as Expendables 3, but 5'8.5" would be about as likely then, imo. I'd say he's lost a 1/4" since regardless of which height was accurate.

The early films are always the best to go by with guys like Stallone, Cruise, Gibson, Pitt etc. and I think the early films show Sly is taller than 5'8", but around 5'9" max. Sly with what would look like typical cowboy type boots(which add 1.6"-1.7") has about 5 inches on 5'5" Woody Allen as he's looking down onto the top of his head: Click Here Woody's shoes look 2 cm max to me so figure about a 1" footwear advantage for Sly and you have him around 5'9". Woody and the guy who plays the other mugger are examples of truly short men, a guy like Sly is really average, especially for his generation, much less ethnicity.

@Brad: I'll just add to the worst claims 5'10" Dean Martin claiming 6'1", 5'8.5"-5'9" Kirk Douglas claiming 5'11" and while I think Vin Diesel is 5'11.5", I know you think he's 5'10" so by your estimate, Vin would be worse. Also, Tico Torres claiming 5'9". Glenn Hughes claiming 6' more than once when he's really about 5'9". Or 5'11" Richard Branson claiming 6'2". Donald Trump at roughly 6'0.5" these days STILL claiming 6'3". Justin Bieber trying 5'10". Personally, I don't think Sly gave himself more than 2" since I see 5'8.75" peak, possibly scraping 5'9" and the 2" rule is pretty common. The Rock at maybe 6'3" peak and 6'2.5" today claiming 6'5" etc.
Harris said on 20/Aug/17
At 5'9" peak he'd have woke up at atleast 5'9.75" or a weak - perhaps even a flat 5'10", depending on how much height he lost throughout the day. This in my opinion would still make his 5'10" claim valid, as far as out-of-bed height goes of course. FAR from bizarre claims! Corey Feldman is 5'5", yet claimed 5'8"...now THAT'S bizarre!
loka said on 20/Aug/17
IMO :

Stallone: 175,5 peak, 174,5 today
Arnold: 187 peak, 181 today
Van Damme: 177 peak, 175 max today
Statham: 175
Lundgren: 194 peak, 190 today
Kurt Russell: 175.5
Rising - 174 cm said on 20/Aug/17
@Brad: Many have. Eric Roberts, Mario Lopez and Wesley Snipes have tried 5'11" and they're all around 5'8.5" or so. Kane Hodder was around 6'2", but claimed 6'5"! He's still claiming 6'4" and he's probably not even 6'1" anymore. Jeremy Piven is closer to 5'7.5" and has claimed 5'10". Jackie Chan was claiming 5'10.5" at a time he was shorter than Sly.
Richardspain said on 20/Aug/17
Stallone was 5'10 or around 176 cm in peak.

Also he said 5'10 two times!, first in 1991 and second in 1993 . I think he was honest and said his height barefoot.

Many people don't believe to sly because wears lifts all times and is a man very fashionable, extravagant.. But if you see his first movies you will confirm he was more a guy 176/177 cm than 175cm.

I said in other moment here that in "nighthawks" he looked similar than Billy Dee Williams ( a good 180cm in peak) and nearly Richard Crenna in Rambo Movies, well is true! Rambo wears boots and has tall hair but Crenna was 185cm ( 6'1)!

Stallone 176 cm in peak
174 cm today

His brother 180cm peak
178 cm today
Rising - 174 cm said on 19/Aug/17
@berta: I'd say for action stars adding a few and rounding to the nearest cm or 0.5 cm

Stallone: 175 peak, 174 today (maybe 0.5 cm less on both figures)
Arnold: 187 peak, 181.5 today
Rock: 190.5 peak, 189-189.5 range today
Vin: 181.5
Van Damme: 174.5-175 range peak, 174 max today, much like Stallone
Statham: 174
Snipes: Always been around 174-174.5 range
Willis: 181-181.5 peak, 180 today
Ford: 183.5 peak, 179-179.5 range today
Lundgren: 193.5-194 peak, 190-190.5 today
Gibson: Around 175 peak, No more than 174.5 the last few years
Russell: 175.5 (doesn't look to have lost much, maybe a few mm)
Norris: 174 peak, 172-172.5 range today

Only 3 of these more than a dozen action stars haven't appeared in Expendables films(Rock, Vin, Kurt), but those 3 have all appeared in Fast & Furious films with Statham appearing in both. It's still surprising Kurt wasn't in any of the 3 Expendables, he'd have been perfect.
Jim Hopper said on 19/Aug/17
@Barry FI Ok yeah hairline 3" lower youre right hehe. Meet with brows soon.
Brad said on 18/Aug/17
He has to be the king fibber: 5' 8.5" to 5' 10.75". Anybody top 2 and a quarter? Marky? Tom Jones has had scalp pull up.
berta said on 18/Aug/17
for me the action stars are something like this.
stallone peak 176 today 174
Arnold peak close to 186 today 180,8
Dwayne johnson peak close to 191 today close to 189
vin diesel peak and still is about 181 amd with huge lifts can look up to 184 at best. And the lifst are huge so there is a chanse he can be even 179,5 range but i give him 181 if he only have about 2-3 cm lifts
MJKoP said on 17/Aug/17
Brad said on 16/Aug/17
Even is correct. I wonder if Sly actually thinks people think he is 5' 10.75".


Well, at least one dude thinks he is even taller than that. :O
Rising - 174 cm said on 17/Aug/17
even isn't quite right. Sly has never actually claimed 5'11". The character Rocky Balboa is 5'11". The 5'10.75" claim seemed to be a one off attempt to push his luck 39 years ago. He's mostly claimed 5'10", which isn't even close to the worst claims. He tried 5'10.5" for a while, but even so, there are people shorter than Sly claiming 5'11". Sly at 5'9" or just under peak and about 5'8.5" now or a strong 5'8" is actually pretty typical height to claim 5'10". I can't tell you how often I hear people around my height claim 5'10"-5'11" and that's when I'm not wearing lifts, Cubans or Cowboys. I can't keep a straight face claiming 5'11" without the footwear to get me there.
Barry Fl said on 17/Aug/17
Jim Hopper said on 16/Aug/17
@Barry FI hes had extensive hair transplants yeah. His hair line in Tango and Cash is about an 1" higher than today lol...

Only 1"????!!!! Mind you, we're heading into a whole new discussion here! Yes, there's a huge hairline difference since the early movies (in some you could see Sly was receding, though still thick). But now, what with his face going upwards due to surgery, and his hair moving due due to transplants, it can't be long before they meet in the middle.
Brad said on 16/Aug/17
Even is correct. I wonder if Sly actually thinks people think he is 5' 10.75". Excellent plug work if that what was done on his forehead. Ben Affleck has weird hair but I think Jay Leno pulled it hard and it wasn't a rug after Ben said to do so.
Jim Hopper said on 16/Aug/17
@Barry FI hes had extensive hair transplants yeah. His hair line in Tango and Cash is about an 1" higher than today lol...
Rising - 174 cm said on 16/Aug/17
Pierre said on 14/Aug/17
@Rising=and Jean Claude seem taller than Jason Statham in your picture and shorter than him in mine...Curious no?

Not really. They're very similar in height(Rob lists them about the same) so it's not uncommon for two people about the same height to be a bit taller in one photo, shorter in the next etc. It's usually an indication two people are about the same if they can each look a bit taller in a series of pics. Van Damme's boot might have added a fraction more that time as well. I think Statham is 5'8.5" and Van Damme maybe a 1/4" taller at that time 5 years ago.
even said on 16/Aug/17
Sylvester Stallone's imaginary height = 5'11" , Sylvester Stallone's height in reality = 5'8"
Barry Fl said on 15/Aug/17
I always thought hair transplants/plugs were pretty thin/patchy/bristly? Are they really that good these days or is Sly sporting a rug? His hair is amazingly thick, and his hairline way down on his forehead. He looks cartoonish. You can't help but wonder what he'd look like naturally these days... :-)
Rising - 174 cm said on 14/Aug/17
Milo Ventimiglia knew better than to try the Sly tricks he learned with the master himself! Click Here They're probably very close in height these days as neither is taller than 174 cm and neither much, if any shorter, but no way Sly was going to let his onscreen son one up him.

@burby: I did notice something in Cliffhanger that made it apparent he's had some procedures done since. Lebron's headband is hilarious. I think he's doubled up on them at times and pushed them higher and higher with each season. His former teammate Carlos Boozer was the worst. Boozer looked like he filled in hair with a sharpie or dunked his head in ink one of those seasons he played with the Bulls.
Pierre said on 14/Aug/17
@Rising=and Jean Claude seem taller than Jason Statham in your picture and shorter than him in mine...Curious no?
Brad said on 14/Aug/17
Is there a site about who wears wigs/weaves? That would be cool to see. Norris had one? Must have been good, never noticed it. Dokken? Never knew it. Dubrow wore a bad one his last years. Michaels wore one on his operation recovery bed, now that's sick. Marv had one 40 years ago. Stallone has excellent hair guys, his hair has always looked real. LeBron will be a hat guy soon.
Rising - 174 cm said on 14/Aug/17
Since I was able to confirm footwear, Sly and Mel Gibson in '93 at the Planet Hollywood opening in London: Click Here Both were wearing black cowboy boots as I suspected. There are a few pics that show Sly's boots, mostly with Jennifer Flavin and in Mel's case, GettyImages has a short video of his entrance where you can see Mel's boots as well. I think there's very little difference, except when Sly has a clear camera advantage in the last pic or 2. Cowboy boots would typically cancel each other out since a 1.75" heel is typical, but it'd be almost impossible to see if one or both has an extra lift inside because of how much a cowboy boot conceals. Both somewhere near 5'9", imo, but I'd bet on under rather than over, but no less than 5'8.5" for either.

@Pierre: Yeah, but those boots Van Damme has probably add 1/4" or so more. It's really more that Dolph looks much shorter in some pics with people much shorter than himself. But yeah, Dolph has definitely shrunk more than most his age and is still shrinking. He was undoubtedly a legit 6'4" man in the 80s and 90s, but is 6'3" max nowadays.
Pierre said on 13/Aug/17
@Rising=Jean Claude had not the same shoes in yours pictures.It's maybe a reason why he look taller.But i agree Dolph can have lost height too.
Rising - 174 cm said on 12/Aug/17
@THE REAL ANNONYMOUS: I agree on all counts. It was more noticeable if you remember what Sly's hairline use to look like. Some do keep a pretty full head of hair and solid hairline as you mention. My father is like that, or Reagan as you mention. Judging by the photo Sly uploaded to instagram a few months back, I think he's actually in better shape than he's been in a few years. Still very cut and lean and carries himself much younger. Arnold definitely has more size to his arms recently, he looked pretty big for Sabotage and it's probably more difficult for him being much bigger as well as 8 years of reduced training in his 50s and 60s, heart problem etc. Fortunately, they still got some more action left in them. I agree on height as well and only think he's lost about 1 cm the last 5 years.

@loka: I can agree with 175 peak and 174 now, but I also don't think he looks taller than 174 at most these days, except for when he brings out his lifts. He does still look Statham's height so I'd give them both 174 and he does look it at multiple events with Weathers. I agree with your estimates for those shower scenes, but to play devil's advocate, those who argue Sly is less than 5'8" would say that since we can't see their feet and he is height conscious, they may have made him taller. It'd be tougher to do in The Specialist for obvious reasons and I do think Sly had to be very similar to Kurt and taller than Sharon, but it is possible as cameramen have long been paid for expertise in using advantageous angles. But there are now enough photos of Sly barefoot and without lifts to say there wasn't much difference with Flavin as of 2013 and you're right about Nielsen since she has no reason to lie and would know as well as anyone. Actually, Sly looked a consistent 5'10.5"-5'11" to me in lifts and seems to still pull off 5'10"-5'10.5" in lifts this year.

@Pierre: My point is mainly that Dolph is too much taller and his posture is too inconsistent to be a reliable reference for 5'8"-5'9" guys. In this photo, JCVD and Statham both look taller than Big Jay or Rob did with Dolph a few years later: Click Here And I have no doubt Dolph was taller in 2012 than 2015-2016. Just look at the photos with Hasselhoff from 2012. Rob got a photo with Hasselhoff the next year and he was still around 6'4". Dolph wasn't much shorter when he stood decently. Dolph is always taller these days when he stands with other tall men and aside from Hasselhoff, back in 2012, you could still see he's at least an inch taller than Terry Crews who Rob lists at 6'2.5" and most agree is at least 6'2", as you can see in this short video: Click Here And again in this video, while Dolph with worse posture is still much taller than a roughly 182 cm Arnold: Click Here Dolph's bad posture and big head can make him look shorter in some photos, especially with much shorter men as many slouch down for photos when they tower someone, but you can see on video, especially like these, he was still a minimum 6'3", but when Rob met him, he was 6'3" at the most, very possibly under. As for Dolph's age, he's not your average guy, but Arnold and Hulk Hogan also lost a lot of height by that age. As for Mario Lopez, he may very well wear lifts sometimes, I don't know, but I still think he's around 174 cm. As I said, Rob lists him 5'9". He's not 5'7" range. I think Van Damme at somewhere between 174-175 cm is fair for 2012.

@Brad: Tons of plugs, weaves, rugs etc. among actors and musicians. Kevin Dubrow and Don Dokken. Bret Michaels bandana is as obvious as those guys who always wear hats. Like NY lawyers who wear cowboy hats 24/7. Chuck Norris has had a particularly obvious rug for years, but I wouldn't tell him to his face. Marv Albert, like Howard Cosell before him. Travolta has sported some particularly bad ones. At one point, it even looked like he had that spray hair Ron Popeil used to pitch on TV. Al Pacino has a piece to fill in male pattern baldness. Jeremy Piven, Kevin Spacey, Brendan Fraser, Steve Carell..... Shatner had some of the worst in the 70s and 80s, but his one now is better. CelebRugs would be a fun site. I'm pretty sure Glenn did know Levi. I have a friend who was in that line of work some years back, who I believe knew him as well.
burby said on 12/Aug/17
You can actually see Sly's bald spot in Cliffhanger. Yeah, he had plugs. Travolta without the wig is Homer Simpson action. Hmm, I wonder why LeBron James has that headband so high, yet he does that Trainwreck movie and his hair is perfect?
THE REAL ANNONYMOUS said on 11/Aug/17
I think Sly prolly wore the rug while his hair transplant was growing in. It was quite noticeable at times.
It was a succesful transplant as it all grew in really well but its far to low for somebody his age... although there
are men out that have a natural hairline that low.. Ronald Regan comes to mind.
He looks in incredible shape. I mean he should as he is doing everything he can to do so.
The last few years Arnold has gotten into better shape and im sure its motivating Sly to keep at it!

lol how tall is Sly anyway???? Under 5'8 is impossible!!! 5'8.5-5'9 is very likely
loka said on 11/Aug/17
I wouldn't go under a good 174 cm today. If Sly was 175 cm peak and everything goes in that direction.

- Nielsen statements,
- Comparisons barefeet with Flavin,
- Same height in the shower scene than Kurt Russel in Tango and Cash,
- 2 cm taller than Sharon stone in the shower scene of The Specialist.
- Same height or close than the 5.9 Serena Williams.
- Same height than Rob (strong 5.8) if not 1 cm taller (when we compare Sly with Carl Weathers and Rob with Carl weathers).
- He can easily look 5.10 with special shoes.
Brad said on 11/Aug/17
Stallone a rug? Can't say I've ever seen one on him. Plugs possibly. David Lee Roth is the king of everything hair. Total wig '86, extensions and weaves all the time. Hagar called him "3 piece" after his attached stuff in three places. Travolta has wig action. Bret Michaels has to wear bandanas and hats to hide his weave-extension mess. Guy emailed me a long time NYC autograph collector passed away, a guy with thousands of hours of wait time for years. He didn't have his name til the next day. Some guy named Levi. I wonder if the G knew Levi.
Pierre said on 11/Aug/17
@Rising=you take for example Mario Lopez who isn't in pictures next to Rob and Big Jay,then your example is a little random imo,we don't know his real height .In addition Mario can wear maybe lifts sometimes( i have post you a example of shoes which are looking discreet but give you lot's of height-pictures+video in Brad's page,have you see the video 10/Aug/17? ) .I don't know how many height Dolph would have lost this 3 years(Dolph isn't very old he's 59 years this days), for me, in the pictures i posted,JC Vandamme look really shorter than Big Rob or Big Jay next to Dolph imo.You gauge James Corden's height next to others celebrities(Matt Damon,Justin Bieber...)but we don't know really their heights= Samuel Anderson is in a picture with Rob who is a strong 5"8'= Click Here .James Corden on tiptoe is looking max the same height as Rob next to Samuel Anderson (who is more in a relaxed posture next to James imo)= Click Here =i think i can doubt James is really 5"8' barefoot.(And then i can doubt Gwyneth is really 5"9'barefoot when she's next to James Corden).
Rising - 174 cm said on 10/Aug/17
@Pierre, Jean-Claude was taller than Mario Lopez in 2 separate video interviews at the time of Expendables 2. Here's a still from each and photos of the shoes he wore for each: Click Here If you need to see the original videos, I can post those as well. I have Mario at 5'8.5" rather than the 5'9" Rob gives him, but that would still make JCVD 5'8.75" minimum. If he's 172 then Mario is 5'7.5" max. Van Damme was at least as tall as Statham, who may be 174 cm, but no shorter. Incidentally, Statham has also looked taller than Lopez.

Dolph was taller in 2012 than he was in 2015 and he slouches too much in some photos with much shorter men to say how tall he's standing. When Dolph stood better, he was still almost as tall as 6'4" David Hasselhoff: Click Here And those photos with Hasselhoff were a few months AFTER those Expendables 2 premieres with JCVD and Statham. Dolph is 6'3" max now, but he was still 6'3" minimum in 2012. I'd say probably 191 cm in 2012, but 190 cm more recently with Big Jay and Rob, but looking shorter due to posture in the videos.

It's best to compare people closer in height. Statham and Mario Lopez were closer to Van Damme's height so I would say it confirms him at roughly 5'8.75". Here's 3 full pics of Sly and Van Damme with the dress shoes I showed in the close up: Click Here Sly is no shorter and he's not even forcing his posture. Therefor I think Sly was still at his peak height of 174.5 to 175 cm in 2012.

But if you like these comparisons, check out this one with Weathers recently: Click Here Rob said he couldn't see any less than 173 minimum there for Sly and possibly 174. I'm inclined to agree and give Sly 173.5 to 174 cm these days, down 1 cm or so from peak. Lately, I'm leaning more towards 174 today as he looked as tall as Statham recently on video with dress shoes that didn't look to give any more than the boot Statham was wearing. Weathers is 184 cm minimum and looks about 184 with Rob and Sly, but standing tall with Philip Winchester, who Rob also lists at 6'1", Carl still looked as tall as Philip this year as you can see in these 4 full photos: Click Here

Basically, you have to start downgrading everyone to put Stallone and Van Damme less than 5'8". As it is, I think Rob has Mario Lopez 1 cm too high, but he does not have Mario 1.5" too high. Mario cannot be less than 5'8" himself and in fact, Mario was taller than James Corden in 2 separate videos himself. Rob has Corden at 5'8.25". I wouldn't put Corden less than a solid 173 or 5'8"-5'8.25" himself seeing him with Matt Damon, Gynweth Paltrow and Justin Bieber. Rob's current and peak listings for Stallone are very fair, imo.
Rising - 174 cm said on 10/Aug/17
@Brad: Probably a hair transplant and a rug at times. Unfortunately, as someone who thinks Sly has always looked cool, the hair the past couple years isn't a good look. The hair line is too far, a mistake Mel Gibson and especially Steven Seagal have made as well. But as for whatever he's taking, I'm sure he knows what he's doing at this point. Those things affect everyone differently, but I think Sly is probably smart with what he takes now. Maybe not as much in the 80s during the Rambo 3 days. He did a lot of unhealthy stuff in those days like overtraining, or starving himself before Rocky 3 to get as lean as possible before putting on muscle slowly so it's not a leap to imagine him taking some stronger things. So at times he was more focused on a goal than overall health back then. I think he's smarter these days, though. Genetics play a big role. Mark McGwire looked terrible when he came back as a hitting coach and I think he was just 46 at the time, meanwhile, his former Bash Brother Canseco looked great the last time I saw....which was selling testosterone on a late night commercial! But then I have a friend not even 50 who took that stuff for a decade when he trained competitively and he has a bad heart. Another friend who was a competitive body builder and died before age 30.
James B said on 10/Aug/17
Rob is he not over 5ft8 now?
Editor Rob: he is looking more 5ft 8 flat at times.
Brad said on 9/Aug/17
Any hair plugs? I'd think spiking/eating super scripted stuff, illegal or not and steroids for years might catch up to him.
Pierre said on 9/Aug/17
@Rising=Comparisons Sylvester/Jean Claude(Van damme)=now comparisons Jean Claude and 171/172 Big Jay or 173 Big Rob next to Dolph =
Click Here Click Here Click Here =I doubt Jean Claude is 5"9' range or even 5"8'
Rising - 174 cm said on 9/Aug/17
@loka: I appreciate your posts, but a woman saying her husband is 5'8" doesn't necessarily make it so. In fact, when Brigitte Nielsen was actually married to Sly 30 years ago, she said he was 5'10"-5'10.5", but as you know, more recently, she's revealed he was an inch and a half shorter at 174-175 cm. That woman's husband must claim 5'8", but that woman either isn't accurate judging height or it's possible she says her husband is 5'8" because he's height conscious. Impossible to know. Sly is at least 3 inches taller than that guy so even if Sly has big lifts, that guy might be 5'7", maybe 5'7.5" tops. I will say Sly doesn't look short at all in that photo comparing him to the woman and her husband, but we'd have to see what he has on his feet. I think Sly cut down on wearing lifts to events because dress shoes go better with a suit than Hogan sneakers or elevator boots. Just look at how much attention Robert Downey Jr. draws to his sneakers when he wears them with a suit.

@andre: Incorrect. Just look at the Tango and Cash scene I posted, or more recently offscreen: Click Here Click Here That would make Randy Couture only about 178 cm in those shoes. In reality, Couture will be more 183 cm or so in shoes.
Rising - 174 cm said on 8/Aug/17
Btw, this sitting shot of the Expendables 2 cast is an example of why I think Sly has gone liftless quite a bit in recent years: Click Here I think it's fair to make an educated guess on shoes when you can see where the ankle is, particularly in a sitting shot. He was definitely no shorter than Van Damme in that footwear and if anything, looked to edge him, which is one reason I can't quite decide between 174.5 and a full 175 cm.

@Brad: Sly is in incredible shape, but he has shown some of his age in other ways for years. He looked significantly younger than he was in his late 30s/early 40s, though and even up until his 50s.
loka said on 8/Aug/17
Parker : no... There is a video also about this meeting between fans and Sly. They say in this video that they are surprised to see that Sly is Tall. I asked the girl and she said his husband is 5.8 and so Sly looked like a good 5.10.

With lifts on, he is probably back to 5.9.

I've seen other pics or video taken by paparazzis where Sly looks more like a 5.8 guy...

Very strange... We will never know.
andre said on 8/Aug/17
stallone was 174cm with shoes prime and now 173cm his lifts make him 178 cm
Pierre said on 8/Aug/17
@Oka=
Maybe your friend has been measured a long time ago no?(and maybe then has lost a little height since the last measure?).
Brad said on 7/Aug/17
The guy on the right is 5' 6".Sly has some customs on. Sly looks tired and older but in shape.
Rising - 174 cm said on 7/Aug/17
Imo, the shower scene and the possible barefoot scene from Tango and Cash get too much attention when this scene is more noteworthy: Click Here

There you have a wide shot with Sly pulling off at least 1.5"-2" taller than Kurt Russell. Lifts are a given, but even with huge lifts Sly had to be similar height to Russell to pull that off. Both were about 5'9", imo and within 1 cm max of each other peak. If Sly was 5'8.75" as I think was possibly most likely then I'd give Kurt a flat 5'9" max or if Sly was 175 cm, which I think was equally possible, then I'd give Kurt 176 cm max. Between that scene and the beginning with Geoffrey Lewis, Sly could pull off 5'11" at times in that film. If Sly was only 5'8.5" peak as is also possible, imo, then I'd give Kurt a weak 5'9" range max.

But I'd caution against comparing Sly to random people whose height we can't scrutinize. He's enigmatic enough when even comparing to people Rob met.
Rising - 174 cm said on 7/Aug/17
@Frankie: I'm not stupid, some of your comments have clearly been meant to refer to me. And no, I don't get into personal insults. If you'd like for us both to keep things more friendly then great, I have no problem with that. He could be as short as 5'8" flat these days, I've repeatedly stated that possibility since Creed was released.

@loka: Sly has a good 3-4 inches or so on that guy depending on the cap and posture, so I don't think that guy could be 5'8". Sly can still appear up to 5'10.5" in lifts based on what I've seen with his brother and Michael Rooker this year, but then that guy still wouldn't be 5'8".
Frankie68 said on 7/Aug/17
@parker I agree with you 100%
Parker said on 7/Aug/17
oka said on 6/Aug/17
The Guy on the right is 5 ft 8. Try to figure how sly appears so tall now...

Sly is either in lifts or the guy on the right is 5'6 and not 5'8.
Frankie68 said on 7/Aug/17
@rising, I never mention you or anyone in here by name if i dont agree with someones comments but I cant say the same for you. And obviously you take everything I say as a direct comment towards you , which is very weird since I never mention you or anyone else . But since you bash me all the time I guess you can say you got what was coming to you . And for the record I believe what I believe & you believe what you believe. It wouldnt surprise me if Stallone is under 5'8 & it wouldnt surprise me if he was 5'8 givin the footwear he wears . I hope those were coherent sentences for you .
Rising - 174 cm said on 6/Aug/17
@Rob: I think he might during the height of his lift wearing where he never appeared without noticeably thick shoes, but I think it's more likely if you see him looking 5'10" or 5'11" on the golf course, with chest out etc. Sly has looked shorter on the golf course, check out these 3 pics: Click Here If James Caan stands as straight, he'd be about the same height as Sly. But look at Sly on Las Vegas and you'll see him noticeably taller than Caan. These photos were a year after the ones with Nicholson and Hopper. Wahlberg is predictably shorter than Sly and Caan because he is. But "who knows!" is right.

@Frankie: Talk about projection. The funny thing is, I only started posting here regularly again early this year having not posted much for a long time before, yet Sly's height listing did not change in this time so I really have nothing to prove. You're the one who is WAY off from both Rob's listing and the average guesses so most pretty much agree that Sly was somewhere from 5'8.5" to 5'9" peak and is somewhere from 5'8" to 5'8.5" now. It would be too easy for me to trade insults with you so I'll refrain except to dispense some helpful advice: Before you tell anyone to get help, why don't you get some help composing coherent sentences.
loka said on 6/Aug/17
The Guy on the right is 5 ft 8. Try to figure how sly appears so tall now...

Pic taken last week.

Click Here
Rising - 174 cm said on 6/Aug/17
@Brad: Gazzara beat both the Greek and the young Italian Stallion. Dean Martin also at least beat or matched Kojak in Battle of the Big Shoes '74.

But there's no actual evidence he had anything in his golf shoes that day. I think there's a much better chance other occasions, especially later on when Sly never appeared without lifts and looked taller, probably around 2005-2006. But in 2002, when he was still appearing liftless with his wife in heels a year later? Nah. Doesn't make sense he'd do so to appear with middle aged Jack Nicholson and Dennis Hopper. At least Brad is only say he thinks, unlike someone who never supports any statement of theirs and shares a name with Sly's brother and father....
Editor Rob: I know Dons has said he's made elevator shoes for golf players, but whether sly would wear them on course who knows!
Frankie68 said on 5/Aug/17
There are some in this forum that need therapy when it comes to Stallone,, like its some crazy obsession to prove his height or to prove there right & your wrong !! Get help my friend !! Get help !! These Stallone height rants are borderline psychotic !! Do you dream about him !!
Rising - 174 cm said on 5/Aug/17
Jack only 5'8" at 65? How tall do you think he was at his peak? If he was 5'9.5" peak there's no way he lost 1.5" by 65. Sly is leaning into the first pic slightly, not quite effect there. Jack could look 5'9" as late as age 70 during events for The Bucket List and The Departed and there's no proof he was a lift wearer like Stallone and Douglas. I'm not saying Jack was still that tall, but I am saying 5'8.5" is pretty fair for 2002. I believe Hopper was 5'7" at that time. Rob gives him 5'8" peak, though I'm not sure he was ever that tall. He certainly wasn't the 5'8.5" he claimed, but I doubt he was 5'6" in his mid 60s.
Brad said on 5/Aug/17
I think Sly has a pad of rubbah in the golf shoes. He loves to be taller. Telly tuggin on his cheek looking at Sly's '75 cycle boots "nobody beats the greek my italian New Yawk friend, who loves ya baby?".
Frankie68 said on 5/Aug/17
@burby ,, sly def has loaded golf shoes on..
Brad said on 4/Aug/17
Is Hopper really 5' 7"? Both are leaning on one shoe.
Rising - 174 cm said on 4/Aug/17
Sly's golf shoes look no bulkier than Hopper or Douglas and Douglas was a big lift wearer himself. Sly only looks 5'9.25"-5'9.5" there and has the advantage, except for ground/tilt. Now in this one, Sly is slouching a bit himself and bending his knees while Hopper now has the advantages and you can see Sly now looks no more than a weak 5'9": Click Here I'd say he looks 5'8.75" there. In 2002, Sly was still wearing normal shoes at times. Even a year later in 2003, you can see Sly in normal dress shoes looking at least 1.5" shorter than Jennifer in heels at an event: Click Here

We caught Jennifer before she slouched in the first pic. You can see her drop height in the next two. And in the last 2 pics, I show what Sly looked like in lifts with Jennifer in heels a month before. Incidentally, a 5'7"-5'8" man would look much shorter than a 5'9" woman in heels. Sly looks about 178 cm in maybe 3 cm dress shoes or at least 2.5 cm minimum.

And here's what Sly looked like in lifts with Hopper 3 1/2 to 4 years later: Click Here

@loka: Thanks, I guess I misunderstood then. Yeah, you can often get a better idea of how tall these stars really are in their early career.

@Barry Fl: I don't think Arnold really inflated his height so much as he rounded up. As for Dolph, it depends on what claim we're talking about. Dolph certainly wasn't the 6'6" he claimed in the 80s, nor 6'5.5" except in shoes. He did also claim 195 cm around that same time, which I think is the tallest he could have possibly been, but he could have also been 193 cm minimum. I'm curious which end of that range Dolph is in and as for Arnold, you know how controversial his height is so it'd be good to hear Brigitte's take since I believe Sly was 174.5 to 175 cm and Eddie Murphy 176 cm or possibly 5'9" flat making her spot on. Of course, since she had an affair with Arnold, she'd be in a very good position to judge Arnold's height, much like Sly. As I mentioned on Brigitte's page, if you consider Sigourney Weaver also said Mel Gibson was 5'9", which I also believe is spot on or at worst, rounded up a fraction, these very tall actresses seem to have a very good perception of height. Now all we need is for Geena Davis to settle the Brad Pitt debate!
burby said on 4/Aug/17
If full "Stallone effect" with a no more than 5'8" Jack Nicholson. Hmm...maybe Sly has a little sumthin' sumthin' in those golf shoes?
Barry Fl said on 4/Aug/17
Brad said on 3/Aug/17
Those golf shots are strange...he owns a 5' 7" Hopper easy...3".

He's definitely taller, but do you not think if Hopper stood up a little straighter then the difference wouldn't look quite so much?
Barry Fl said on 4/Aug/17
loka said on 3/Aug/17
No Rising : i agree with you. 175 cm is the most rational guess. But Sometimes, like this recent cas where he meets a fan, he seems taller (5.10). Check my other post to see the case.

I'd struggle to believe Sly was 5'10 back in the 80s, let alone now. I really don't think he's lost much height over the years (and far too often seems to gain it magically). But he's a tricky one to pin down all right.
Brad said on 3/Aug/17
Those golf shots are strange...he owns a 5' 7" Hopper easy...3".
Grey said on 3/Aug/17
Accurate
loka said on 3/Aug/17
No Rising : i agree with you. 175 cm is the most rational guess. But Sometimes, like this recent cas where he meets a fan, he seems taller (5.10). Check my other post to see the case.
Barry Fl said on 3/Aug/17
Rising - 174 cm said on 2/Aug/17
In fact, I want someone to ask her how tall Arnold and Dolph were back in the 80s.

I think chances are good that Brigette would have spoken up if she'd thought height claims for either of those two were overly exaggerated. But yes, would certainly be interesting to know.
Rising - 174 cm said on 2/Aug/17
You know Frankie's case is nonexistent when you have to grasp at someone who isn't even one of the main heights referenced in front of a height chart that may very well not even be real as movies and tv shows often build their own sets rather than film in a real police department. Brigitte is most useful for telling us Sly - a man she lived with for 2-3 years and filmed 2 movies with - is 174-175 cm, which is also where the evidence points. She's by far our best reference, as I just told loka who was arguing from the opposite side. She also tells us Eddie Murphy is 5'9"-5'9.5", which I'm sure most would agree can't be far wrong suggesting she has a good perception of height. In fact, I want someone to ask her how tall Arnold and Dolph were back in the 80s. It'd be superfluous to argue Brigitte's height at this moment, but I wanted to make the point about people assuming movie height charts are accurate, as I have on other pages. I really don't consider them as it'd be conjecture without knowing about that specific chart. Of course, it's also superfluous to argue with Frankie, but regrettably, I make that mistake from time to time.
Pierre said on 2/Aug/17
@Parker=what you do not understand?
Rising - 174 cm said on 2/Aug/17
@Pierre: There are plenty of photos where you can see their feet:

Click Here

Granted, you can't see their feet in the last 2, but I can show you they were barefoot. But that's 5 pics of them total, 3 where you can see their entire bodies in the shot. Most are from 2013, but one of those days could have been from 2012. There's not an inch between them in any of the pics and either of them can look taller depending on the picture and posture. If she's 5'9" then Sly was not less than 5'8.5"-5'8.75" in 2013.

Here's a full shot of Sly in golf shoes with an actual 5'7" man Dennis Hopper: Click Here
And a series of pics the same day with 65 year old Jack Nicholson: Click Here
A series of full pic of Stallone with a 60 year old Michael Douglas: Click Here

Can we agree on about 5'8.5" for Jack in 2002 and Michael Douglas in 2004? I've posted a mountain of evidence to support Rob's estimates being bang on, or maybe 1/4" high. Sly hasn't shrunk much either. If you see him with Michael Douglas recently, the height difference between them looks greater: Click Here because Sly has only lost about half an inch, while Douglas has probably lost an inch since 2004. It's not a full pic, so what I say always applies about taking them with a grain of salt, but remove the tilt and Sly is at least an inch taller, while I'd put the difference less in 2004. That photo does add up with their appearances around the same time a few years ago as Sly was slightly taller than Norton while Michael was a good inch shorter. Now when Michael was at his peak, I'd guess he was probably as tall as Sly. Jack could have been taller than both as I still think he could have been 5'9.5", but it's possible he was just a 5'9" flat guy himself.
Parker said on 2/Aug/17
Pierre said on 1/Aug/17
Comparisons Sylvester/Brigitte Nielsen =Click Here =Brigitte nielsen in shoes =seem a little under 6"0' by this scale no?

Don't quite understand your point?
Frankie68 said on 2/Aug/17
@pierre ,, nice pic ... cant wait to hear from the expert in this forum say she lost height !! She's appears to be in a modest women shoe of 2 inches ,, def not 1 inch ,,but not 3-4 inch either to be fair..cant wait to laugh at the 10 paragraph essay about this pic..
Rising - 174 cm said on 2/Aug/17
@loka: I use to think Sly was a solid 5'10" too, but there have been times where he simply hasn't looked close to it. I think you're making the same mistake as with Mel Gibson and not giving enough weight to his early roles. Look at my recent post with the stills of Sly and Ben Gazzara, who admitted he was barely 5'10" back then himself. You can also watch Paradise Alley and I believe you'll see Sly seems slightly shorter than Armand Assante overall and Rob lists Assante at 5'9.5". Sly also looked more 5'9" than 5'10" in Cop Land when he didn't wear lifts. Also, as you've mentioned, Brigitte Nielsen has said 175 cm and 174-175 cm, so don't you think she'd know Sly's height pretty well? Imo, the strongest case is that he was close to 5'9" until the last few years. I have to disagree with being 5'9" today as well. I think he's 174, but he can still pass for 5'9" at times with his good posture.

Here is Sly and 5'11.5" Arnold at the 2013 Golden Globes:
Video: Click Here
Full photo: Click Here

I don't see Sly having lost much by that point since with Arnold 182 cm, he actually passes for about 176 cm with his good posture and possibly as tall as 5'9.5" at times. Of course, that's because Arnold doesn't hold himself like Sly nowadays, but Sly was still closer to 5'9" than 5'8" 4 years ago.

Creed premiere video: Click Here He's definitely still looking like a 5'8.5" guy with 6'1" Carl Weathers and with Michael B. Jordan, who definitely doesn't look less than the 5'10.5" Rob gives him next to Carl. Though Jordan looked to have more of a dress boot, so he may have had slightly more footwear than the other two.

Now for tall Sly, he pulls off about 5'11" with 5'9.5" Geoffrey Lewis in the beginning of Tango and Cash: Click Here Of course, you see the 2" minimum heels on Sly's boots at 2:10 and you understand how, but even so, all this shows that while he's not taller than 5'9" peak and 5'8.5" today, 5'7" is trolling. Lewis can't be far from 5'9.5" either as he was clearly taller than Mel Gibson in The Man Without a Face in '93 and the film version of Maverick in '94.
Pierre said on 1/Aug/17
Comparisons Sylvester/Brigitte Nielsen =Click Here =Brigitte nielsen in shoes =seem a little under 6"0' by this scale no?
Pierre said on 1/Aug/17
Click Here = Young Sylvester and Jennifer Flavin listed 5"9',sorry we can not see the feets
Brad said on 1/Aug/17
5-8 with the standards with wife. He always surrounds himself with bodyguards of the non 6 foot variety..mostly older Italian guys at 5' 7" or Chuck Zito a hair taller. Why bodyguards for Sly? Simple, there is a legendary tale of him whoopin in a restaurant kitchen that had high 6 figures mentioned. Let the bodyguards whoop, but then Prince and Elvis got pounded financially that way anyway. The late Sonny West cost E a lot and was let go in '76, Red too. Both died in '17. All those E guys, Joe,Sonny,Lamar,Red etc died hurting financially. There's a phone call with E that Red made tellin E he was in bad shape in the coin dept.. I can't remember Danimal getting pounded by the G on 5-8 claims. He always was over 5-8 back in the day...not by much. Jennifer has been 5-9 for decades.
Rising - 174 cm said on 1/Aug/17
He was a weak 5'9" until the last few years. He has lost height, but not much at all. Still 5'8.5" today or 5'8.25" at worst. Breuer is taller, but not that much taller. It's tough to put a precise figure on it because of how he's going up and down, back and forth, but Sly is a bit taller than Morgan there. You can see this when it's just the 2 of them on screen. It's not impossible they were the same height and Sly had thicker shoes, but he was wearing pretty normal shoes around that time as that was when he did Cop Land as well.

Btw, here's another pic of Sly without lifts with his wife. It's from 2013: Click Here

You can see with Sly not wearing socks where his ankle is and he doesn't have an extra insole. His sneakers do give him a clear advantage over her sandals, but that's why he looks a bit taller. You can also see what the barefoot photo from the same year showed - Sly's legs aren't that short.

@loka: He can still look over 5'10", like at the Guardians of the Galaxy premiere or with Michael Rooker, but that's when he wears lifts again. You can tell Sly loved her for saying that, though! I think seeing him with normal shoes, 174 cm is still fair. 175 peak. Anything under 5'8" is absolutely baseless, even today. He's really not short, just shorter than some expect, but now people have heard the short rumors for decades so inevitably some will be surprised he's taller than some make it sound. Like this lady who met him during Rocky Balboa and estimated him at 5'10" to 6 feet: Click Here Obviously he'd be wearing lifts, but she claims to be 5'1"-5'2" and in "4 inch" heels, which of course, don't actually add 4", but closer to 3". However, she does still look a good 8" or so shorter in the photo as she's below his mouth, fwiw. That was probably an occasion he was around 6 feet in his elevators, so passing for 5'11" as she'd be 5'4.5"-5'5" in heels. I'm sure people have the same reaction to Tom Cruise because while Cruise is shorter than Stallone, the short rumors with him are even more intense. Rod Stewart will probably be the biggest surprise to people reading the UK rags.
loka said on 1/Aug/17
I honestly think that we are all wrong... Sly seems to be a good 5.9 even now. Check my last post here under about the video of a fan meeting sly and joking with him about his height. He looks like a 178 cm guy there... Even with lifts inside, he can't go under 5.9 flat. Someone will be able to explain yo me why he didn't put lifts next to 6 ft 1 Carl Weathers at the Golden Globe and why he would put them when he just goes out in a Café. The girl in question is 100 % sure : he looked 5.10. Her husband is 5.8. It's visible on the video she posted and on the photos she posted too that she doesn't lie and that it is exactly what he seem to be. (Very cool Sly whith his fans, by the way). Check the Instagram account : nancydion61268.
Danimal said on 1/Aug/17
Sly was a legit 5'8" guy BAREFOOT who is now in his early 70's and has lost height inevitably.
Richardspain said on 31/Jul/17
Between 175-176cm barefoot and when he was young but I still think he was a strong 176cm.

Nowadays strong 173cm


Not more than 176cm peak but not less than 173cm today

Nothing to discuss. Where's the problem?
Derek nj said on 30/Jul/17
Click Here

Was looking at Sly's 1997 SNL skits. Here he is with 5'10 listed Jim Breuer and 5'8.5 listed Tracey Morgan. SNL is a very faced pace live show and I doubt he would have had time to shove lift in his shoes with every different outfit they provided him. In this scene in particular he looks indentical in height with Morgan and 1.5 - 2 inches shorter than 5'10 Breuer. Breuer even calls Sly a shorty at one point and says he thought he'd be bigger. It's possible Sly was 5'9 during his peak (unlikely) and definitely was under that in 1997.
loka said on 29/Jul/17
Intersting : go to the Instagram count : nancydion61268. She just met sly and she filmed this. She says LIVE and with Sly that she's surprised how tall he is. Sly is joking about that. I asked her how tall she think he is... She said at least 5.10 because his husband was smaller and is 5.8...
Rising - 174 cm said on 29/Jul/17
Here's footage of Sly and Carl Weathers at the 2016 Santa Barbara Film Festival: Click Here (You get a better comparison around 16:02)
Back to back photo: Click Here
Shoes: Click Here Click Here Click Here Click Here When you see the side view, Sly's shoes seem completely flat: Click Here

I see about 4" in the video, maybe 4.5" tops between them. Carl is still about 6'1" or at worst, he'd be 6'0.5". Sly still looks 174 cm when he appears with Carl.

You see Sly and Carl Weathers briefly posing together again in this video: Click Here but more interesting is you see Sly's wife Jennifer Flavin and Carl talking around 0:15, which provides a rare chance to judge her height against somebody other than Sly. I think she still looks tall considering Carl will be near 6'2" in shoes. As I posted a while back, she also seemed tall with a legit 6' John Travolta back in 1997. I've not seen much reason to doubt she's at least 5'9".

I did notice that Sly's shoes from about late 2014 or 2015 through 2016/early 2017 at times seemed even thinner with less of a heel than the dress shoes he was wearing during the Expendables films. Probably a 1/4" less at times, but I first noticed this with this pic from late last year: Click Here and the pics with Serena Williams: Click Here On some of these occasions, he may have been wearing a 0.8" type dress shoe as opposed to 1"-1.1". This may have made a relatively minor height loss seem greater.

@Brad: So then schedules and commitments may have stopped both Selleck and DJ from making the leap to movie stars. That would have been more successful I'm sure then the stuff DJ ended up doing years later like Dead Bang and The Hot Spot, though Dead Bang was decent for a B action film, but tese also came right at the end of Miami Vice. Less interest in 1990 than '85. Gotta strike while the iron is hot. I can't imagine there wouldn't have been big interest in '85. Even the Colin Farrell/Jamie Foxx one opened at no. 1 20 years later. I think DJ was probably still a bit height conscious at that time as he got the old 2 inch rule with 5'11" listings, but his look worked well, including those slipper shoes. Less reason to be conscious when you star with Olmos, who was about the same height and 5'9.5"-5'10" Philip Michael Thomas. As for Bruce, he had those heeled boots in the pilot, but I don't think height was a huge problem at strong 5'11" range. Iirc, Cybill wore flats, though.
Rising - 174 cm said on 28/Jul/17
@even: Frank Stallone is not 5'9". Rob has him 5'10.5". He may have shrunk to 177-178 since Sly really only looks a half inch shorter there with maybe 1/4" more footwear and Sly in 2.5"-2.7" type footwear, looked taller than Frank this year, but that would still make Sly about 5'8.5" and he did look taller in 2014 than he does now. 174 would still be the absolute minimum at the time of the Expendables 3 in 2014. As I've just shown again on Antonio Banderas' page, he was still undoubtedly taller than Banderas, who you strangely gave an optimistic 5'8.5" while downgrading the Stallone brothers. If Banderas were 5'8.5" then Sly was still at least a solid 5'9" in 2014. In reality, Banderas is probably a flat 5'8". Sly also seemed to edge out Jason Statham and Wesley Snipes during the Expendables 3, or at worst, he'd be the same height and looked at least as tall as Mel Gibson on video at the Expendables 3 premiere at Cannes. Also, as I showed below, Sly only 2 years earlier in 2012 was at the absolute worst, the same height as Van Damme, but could have been slightly taller.

I'm not convinced Sly had lost anything beyond a 1/4" by the Expendables 3 because he was still looking a weak 5'9" and he was never much, if any taller than that because outside of the comparison to Armand Assante in Paradise Alley, we see Sly looking about 5'9" with Ray Liotta in Cop Land considering footwear and just slightly taller than De Niro, who was probably 5'8.5". But then we have Sly clearly shorter than 5'10" Ben Gazzara in Capone. Here are stills: Click Here

Granted, in that first scene, Gazzara looked like he may have been on higher ground and due to hats, we can only judge by eye level, but I'd say Gazzara is an inch taller. The difference looks smaller in the second scene with what appears to be more level ground, but as I show Gazzara had slippers. This puts Sly around 5'9", as he looked in Paradise Alley, Cop Land and Next to Henry Winkler during Lords of Flatbush. But Gazzara claimed later he was "barely" 5'10" peak, which may mean a flat 5'10", but also makes 177 cm or 5'9.75" possible as well. Gazzara did actually edge out Telly Savalas, which also debunks the lies about Telly being 3 inches taller than Sly since Sly isn't that much shorter than Gazzara himself, but Gazzara admitting to 5'10" is certainly problematic for both Sly's 5'10" claims as well as Telly's "official" height of 6'1"!

On the subject of Paradise Alley, Kevin Conway, like Brigitte Nielsen, confirms Sly at about 5'9" and certainly Conway at 5'6" wouldn't mistake Sly for 5'9" if he were only 5'7", especially since Conway was aware of Sly's footwear. Even now, he's done remarkably well minimizing height loss since these early comparisons show he was never that tall to begin with.
Brad said on 27/Jul/17
Interesting DJ couldn't have cared less about his height on MV. Willis always had to be taller on Moonlighting. DJ should have done a MV feature in '85 but he told me the cast and crew woulda died of exhaustion filming it due to crunch time just filming '84-'85 so late that season.
Rising - 174 cm said on 27/Jul/17
@Barry Fl: Well, working in Hollywood, Sly's image is his livelihood. In fairness, Sly has occasionally joked about his footwear and even admitted to lifts like the quote above regarding Lundgren. There was also an early 90s video with Bruce and Arnold where referring to Cliffhanger and heights, Sly joked he got dizzy in his cowboy boots. In the last Rambo film, I thought Sly gave a really big impression, I know someone who thought he was 6'2" from that film! With Sly bulked up to 215 with his long torso and boots to make his legs look in proportion, I could easily see why some thought he was a big guy. In his physical peak in Rambo 3, he looked a pretty easy 5'11" same with Demolition Man, a good 5'10.5"-5'11" in Rambo 2 and 5'11", even pushing 6' in Cobra. There's a shoe lift infomercial I've seen where it uses an example of a 5'9" man as a perfect candidate for lifts, so just imagine people's surprise finding out Rambo is only about 5'9". In reality, there are loads of action stars his height or even shorter, but if you look at villains or Sly's co-stars and opponents in films, most tend to be quite tall. Dolph Lundgren, Brian Dennehy, Jason Momoa, Carl Weathers, Richard Crenna, Kurtwood Smith, Martin Kove, Benjamin Bratt, Denis Leary, John Lithgow, Terry Crews, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Lee Canalito, Tommy Morrison, Donald Sutherland, Jack Palance, Michael Caine, Brigitte Nielsen, Reni Santoni, Brian Thompson, Michael Rapaport, Max von Sydow, Rutger Hauer, Chazz Palminteri, Rick Zumwalt, Antonio Tarver, Jim Caviezel etc. That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure I'm missing at least a few and I'd be surprised if the average of these co-stars is under 6'2".

Btw, look at Sly with Andy Karl(played Rocky on Broadway) just 3 years ago: Click Here

The only height I can find for Andy Karl is 6'2", which I have doubts about, but seeing him on Law & Order SVU where he was the tallest cast member, I'm certain he clears 6' and a very rough guess would probably be 184-185 cm range. Sly manages to look only 2-3 inches shorter at the beginning. I'm sure those boots are helping, but it's clear he's at least 174 cm at this time 3 years ago.

Here's a scene with Sly and Antonio Banderas back in Assassins: Click Here

Banderas is someone I'm 100% sure Sly was and still is taller than. You can see there, like in the Expendables 3, Sly looks noticeably bigger physically. Banderas has better proportions and build for looking taller by himself and sometimes seems to wear bigger boots than even Sly, but you put the two next to each other and Banderas looks like the little guy consistently for 20 years.

While Frank2 was prone to underestimating height conscious 5'8.5"-5'9" guys, he sometimes overestimated some because when he didn't know whether someone wore lifts, he'd take the leap from that to being certain they don't wear lifts. That caused him to overestimate Antonio Banderas(who he thought was 5'9") as well as Michael Douglas, but both are or were big lift wearers. Ironically, Michael's father Kirk - who peaked at about the same height - was one of those Frank underestimated.
even said on 27/Jul/17
the one on the left is 5 foot 8 whereas the one the right is 5 foot 9 .
the one on the left has claimed 5 foot 11 whereas the one on the right has claimed 6 foot 1 .
Barry Fl said on 27/Jul/17
Rising - 174 cm said on 26/Jul/17
...I include a quote from a 1977 newspaper that was surprised Sly was "only" 5'10" since they thought he was a six-footer on screen. Plus, all of the tall wives and girlfriends, particularly Brigitte may have added to this perception. He's not at all short for an early baby boomer Italian American, or really any early baby boomer.

Yeah, it's not that Sly is short. He's not short, really. Just that everyone expected him to be a giant, as they seem to with most actors - larger than life and as big as the cinema screen! It probably also never helped that Sly has been so defensive about his height over the years, and gone to (at times) ludicrous lengths to convince us all he was taller than he was. An average height guy, let's say, but with great physique and talent. Who needs to be a 6 footer?
Rising - 174 cm said on 26/Jul/17
@loka: I agree there as well. Stallone could look 5'11" a lot and particularly from the time he remade his physique and focused on action roles, he projected a bigger presence. In fact, Rob use to have at the top of Sly's page regarding the short sightings "although maybe people expected him to be 5ft 11, a height at which he can pass for in 2006." If you see my July 5th post, I include a quote from a 1977 newspaper that was surprised Sly was "only" 5'10" since they thought he was a six-footer on screen. Plus, all of the tall wives and girlfriends, particularly Brigitte may have added to this perception. He's not at all short for an early baby boomer Italian American, or really any early baby boomer.

@slim: In fairness, it's not outrageous. I was looking for something unrelated on the Carl Weathers page and found a couple of comments from Rob saying in 2011 he thought Sly at less than 5'9" was unlikely and that he would have thought more 5'9"-5'9.5" range than 5'8.5"-5'9". Of course, I believed the same thing at that time, so Rob may feel differently today as well, but it shows that it's not ridiculous. I do think Sly was as tall as some listed at 5'9.5" on this site like Michael Douglas, Mel Gibson and probably Don Johnson, who I'm convinced were also never more than 5'9" flat. And there's Eric Roberts who was lowered from 5'9.5" to 5'9" peak once Rob met him, so it can be tough to pin down some of those roughly 5'9" guys with bigger footwear.

@Brad: I agree with 5'9" late 80s/early 90s, but I can't see why he'd have lost a half inch by then. I think that means he was likely 5'9" peak as he's still done pretty well in the height loss department even into his 60s. I'm pretty certain DJ had lifts in his boots on Nash Bridges, but if you look at how his foot sits almost at the top of the shoe, I think he's got a pretty decent insole for that style: Click Here Click Here Click Here I think he winds up at least getting the range of a thinner sneaker. The heel is probably 1 cm or so, but I'd think the insole is at least near that as well. But the total gain looks under an inch to me - I'd say 0.7"-0.8" - so still pretty flat regardless and definitely a flat heel, which explains why he could look 5'8.5" on the show. But the cameraman's story seems completely credible to me. Now, of course if this cameraman had wanted to claim say 5'8" himself then I'm sure he would have said DJ was 5'11".

DJ unfortunately didn't pick the right movies. Dead Bang was a decent sort of B type action film of the sort Swayze, Norris, Bronson, Carl Weathers, Dolph Lundgren etc. could all get at that time and Harley Davidson & the Marlboro Man wasn't gonna be a breakthrough. Ironically, it seems DJ turned down Die Hard, which was it for Willis. DJ certainly had the movie star looks, charisma and cultural appeal at the time, but never had that movie to go along with it like Bruce did. Bruce was also doing the commercials, music videos etc. and suddenly becomes an action star having been known as a comedic actor before that. I agree on Selleck, he's another one and had CBS not prevented him from becoming Indiana Jones then that probably would have been it for him. He had some good movies, but nothing of that magnitude in terms of blockbuster potential. I do think Selleck may have done better in movies had he come of age earlier as an actor. His sort of presence was a bit of a throwback to the big(literally and figuratively) stars of decades past. Both Selleck and DJ could be forgiven for thinking they'd translate as well to the big screen, but why on earth David Caruso thought he would is beyond me.
Brad said on 26/Jul/17
DJ was 5' 9" 25 years ago in Aspen. I'd go peak 5' 9.5" easy in his twenties. I'd had bet on DJ as a new Burt Reynolds even as early as '80. Guy never got the push Willis did. Selleck is the guy I woulda bet on but that Hawaii stuff held him up on 8 month shoots. F2 and the wild one are wrong on DJ. Insoles..nah, they look dead flat in shots.
loka said on 26/Jul/17
As I said, 175 cm (weak or strong) is normal for an italo american born in the 40's. This became a problem for Sly because of the characters he played in Movies and people wanted to see a big guy in real Life. He played a heayvywheight boxing champion who seems to exist in our reality : Rocky. That's the beginning of the problem. I think like that : Rocky and Rambo appears to be around 5 ft 10 but Sly was probably around 175 cm peak.
Rising - 174 cm said on 26/Jul/17
There's a pretty good, albeit short comparison of Sly and Statham recently: Click Here You can compare them for a few seconds around the 13 second mark when they seem to be pretty much side by side before they get too far down the ramp and the angle gets too low and then again around the 45 second mark when they're off the ramp. Here are a couple of shots of their footwear: Click Here Click Here

They look the same height to me with no discernible difference so I'd say Sly still seems to be hanging on to about 5'8.5" since I believe that's most likely Statham's height and I'm pretty certain Sly's shoes are normal and I can't imagine they add any more than those boots Statham is wearing, which is anything, look the thicker of the footwear, but probably pretty close either way.
Rising - 174 cm said on 25/Jul/17
@Brad: How tall do you think DJ was then? The shortest I could buy is 5'8.5", but I still think 5'9" peak. He could look shorter than Edward James Olmos at times, but I think they were likely the same height and he's apparently 174-175 cm peak. Bruce Willis did look 3 inches taller, but Bruce may have been more 5'11.25"-5'11.5" peak. I agree it's a cool pic. Both were pretty much movie star level icons on television then, except Bruce became an actual movie star, though I'm sure a lot would have bet on DJ becoming a bigger star. That TV to movie stardom leap isn't one many make successfully. A Miami Vice cameraman actually said DJ had lifts built into his shoes on the show and looking at close ups and where his foot sat, I do believe he had a bit extra insole in those shoes. They still wouldn't be that big of a boost, but I think it made them closer to a typical range shoe as opposed to the 1 cm they might otherwise add. That same cameraman was 5'6" range and said DJ was 5'9" or so, which sounds about right, but Frank2 said 5'8" max for DJ and Glenn said 5'11"!
Slim 182 cm said on 25/Jul/17
Even if I wanted Stallone to be 176 prime, it's not gonna happen, more like 174.5-175 prime and 173.5-174 today.
Rising - 174 cm said on 24/Jul/17
Thanks, Rob. That would explain how Sly managed to look closer to 5'10" in them than 5'9" with Van Damme, Arnie and Dolph: Click Here Click Here Click Here Arnold is in heeled boots himself, which if you look at hiw legs in the first pic, don't seem like they'd give too much less than Sly's shoes. I'd imagine Arnold at 182 range then could appear a six footer with a boot like that.

I'm with loka on this one, although I view 174.5 peak and 173.5 current as pretty much as likely. I do understand 176 guesses - he could easily look it - but it's like I say with Mel Gibson and Brad Pitt - watch the early films! In Paradise Alley for instance, I remember Sly slightly shorter than Armand Assante who Rob lists at a plausible 5'9.5". This wasn't the case in every scene, but overall, Assante seemed a bit taller in the film from what I remember. Funny enough, I think Assante also claimed 5'10.5" years ago, but in his case, it was probably a shoe height.
Brad said on 24/Jul/17
Cool shot of Bruce and Don Johnson. Johnson wore str8 flats on MV...Willis had regulars and 5' 11". DJ was never 5' 9" peak.
Rising - 174 cm said on 23/Jul/17
Hey Rob, can you estimate these Prada shoes Sly has worn occasionally the past 5 years?

Click Here Click Here

Sly wearing them in both colors: Click Here Click Here

Also, less important, but could you estimate how much of a gain would be possible if lifts were put in them? Thanks.
Editor Rob: I don't think he's got any lifts in those, but the model can give near 1.75 inches I believe.
bob said on 23/Jul/17
Hey Rob. Do you think there is a noticeable difference between someone who is 5'9 and someone who is 5'9.25? If I looked someone in the eye and their eye level was 1/4 of an inch lower than mine, would I even notice they were shorter? (assuming we are barefoot with similar posture etc)
Editor Rob: half inch becomes a more noticeable difference, but if you look at a 1/4 inch on a ruler, it's not much. If you had 2 people together at 5ft 9 and 9.25, most people would class them as similar looking.
loka said on 22/Jul/17
175 peak and 174 now are very rational estimates.
Rising - 174 cm said on 21/Jul/17
@Montana: Just check out when Bruce appeared on Miami Vice! Click Here

And Bruce didn't actually have boots like that in that episode! I assume DJ was 5'9" peak and is now about 5'8.5", but can look taller over the years due to lifts, or when he wore cowboy boots in his action films like Dead Bang and Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man. At most, I might see DJ at 5'9.25" peak and 5'8.75" now, but as I posted on 29/Apr/17, he's never actually managed to appear taller than Sly in one photo I've seen out of many spanning from at least 1993-2014. As for Bruce and boots, I think it was more a style thing since he doesn't seem like a guy who cares about his height. They were really in style in the 70s and 80s, so it's probably why he wore them back then.

As for the theory, that'd be funny, but in reality, i think it's more likely Sly just runs in different Hollywood crowds than those Pitt and Cruise. I've never seen Sly and George Clooney either for that matter. Considering Sly and Brad Pitt share a habit of trying to get close to the camera for pics, I can imagine them sort of shoving each other, trying to get the edge on each other like a receiver trying to get open in football before the photo is taken. Of course, I'm sure if enough photos of any of those guys were taken, the height difference would vary depending on footwear, just like when you look at the many photos/video of Sly and Mel Gibson over nearly two and a half decades, the height difference seems to change with the photo, as well as who is taller. That's what happens in a battle of the lifts!
Slim 182 cm said on 21/Jul/17
176 is imaginable.
Montana said on 20/Jul/17
@Rising

Wow, Bruce towers over Don Johnson in those boots, which I already assumed. There was a time when Johnson claimed to be around 5'11 (he was probably more 5'9-5'10)but Bruce still makes him look short. I wonder whether Sly played Bruce to not wear any boots when they were photographed. lol

You know what I also find mysterious and funny? I have never seen a pic of Sly and Brad Pitt/Tom Cruise together, just like you never see any pics of Vin Diesel with those guys, the same guys who basically dominant the topics of celebrityheights. It's like as if they prevent posing together knowing we would talk about them here and make our final conclusions about their heights. lol
Rising - 174 cm said on 20/Jul/17
Harris said on 20/Jul/17
I must say its very shocking to see a 70+ year old guy with such a healthy strong body. He seems like he's still very much secure on how he wants to be perceived by the public and its good he's not over-doing it. Does he still wear lifts?

Yeah, it's why Sly has been a role model for many for decades. He stopped wearing lifts regularly for quite a while. Only wore on them on occasion from late 2008 to early this year and I'm not sure I saw him wear them at all from 2015 until this Spring, but he wore thick sneakers with lifts to Guardians of the Galaxy premiere - I think his Hogan sneakers - and must have been wearing them to the photoshoot he was at with Chris Pratt and Michael Rooker as he and Rooker are both about 5'8.5", but Sly looked near 2 inches taller.
Richardspain said on 20/Jul/17
176cm in his first movies in peak younger stallone is ok.

175 cm a long time. His exwife said it.

174cm nowadays not less. Is nearly to harrison fors's height in "Expendables"

Did you watch the movie?? Harrison is a strong 5'11 how do you explain that? And sly is very similar than Harrison.

Also although he wears lifts elevator shoes elevstor boots rambo boots etc etc he only will be 5 or 6 cm extra not more and with lifts 179cm to sly is very credible sufficient to be similar than other actors range 180-183cm


Sorry but I don't give him less of 174 cm today and less 176cm when he was young.

I watched his movies next to other actors to arrive this conclusion.

Peak 176
Current 175
Nowadays174

Always always between 176-174cm
Richardspain said on 20/Jul/17
176cm in his first movies in peak younger stallone is ok.

175 cm a long time. His exwife said it.

174cm nowadays not less. Is nearly to harrison fors's height in "Expendables"

Did you watch the movie?? Harrison is a strong 5'11 how do you explain that? And sly is very similar than Harrison.

Also although he wears lifts elevator shoes elevstor boots rambo boots etc etc he only will be 5 or 6 cm extra not more and with lifts 179cm to sly is very credible sufficient to be similar than other actors range 180-183cm


Sorry but I don't give him less of 174 cm today and less 176cm when he was young.

I watched his movies next to other actors to arrive this conclusion.

Peak 176
Current 175
Nowadays174

Always always between 176-174cm
Harris said on 20/Jul/17
I must say its very shocking to see a 70+ year old guy with such a healthy strong body. He seems like he's still very much secure on how he wants to be perceived by the public and its good he's not over-doing it. Does he still wear lifts?
Rising - 174 cm said on 19/Jul/17
Regardless of footwear, this is definitely at least a 5'8.5"-5'9" man with 6'1"-6'1.5" and 5'11"-5'11.5" men: Click Here

As for Bruce and cowboy boots, it's been years since he's worn anything like that. He use to sometimes in the 80s, as it looks like from the front here with Don Johnson: Click Here He wore heeled boots in the Moonlighting pilot as well: Click Here

Btw, this is what Sly looked like in lifts with Mickey Rourke: Click Here And here's a picture from the day last year where Sly and Rourke where filmed: Click Here

As for Sly's body, he cares about it more than his height, he seems to be taking great care of it: Click Here

That's why it's not surprising he's only last a small fraction. How many 70 year olds look like that? His posture is also still flawless, which has helped him only lose a small amount. Say what you want about the odd hair thing he's got the past couple years, but he may very well have a more impressive build than anyone on this site. Whatever he's taking, he's had years to learn, so he's probably taking those things intelligently. Back in the 80s was a different story. Sly went to extremes.
Brad said on 18/Jul/17
Never met Sly. Saw Jackson in a court walk by me, he's 5' 9" easy. Sly is 5' 8" (weak) in '17, 5' 8.5" peak. I wonder if all that steroid stuff has done a mess to his body.
Rising - 174 cm said on 18/Jul/17
@Frankie: I posted the behind the scenes footage as have others over the years and nobody saw a 5'7" Sly there. You're only right that the difference is about 2 inches, but that's because Mr. T was 5'10.5"-5'11" and Sly 5'8.5"-5'9". This doesn't even come close to supporting you're argument so you have to not only fabricate lifts, but make them these magic lifts that can give him an extra 2" over Mr. T in flat boxing shoes and be completely undetectable His boxing shoes weren't wedged in that film period, otherwise he wouldn't have remarked about having to fight with lifts vs Dolph in Rocky 4 because it wouldn't have been so significant as to mention it if he had done it before. And fitting you have to downgrade Mr. T, just shows how nonexistent your Sly at 5'7" argument is. Rob lists him at 5'10.5" peak, which he could have been, but no shorter and he looked 5'11" or taller with Carl Weathers as I've shown, in addition to Hulk Hogan and David Letterman to name a few good references. You'd have to claim Carl Weathers was only 5'11"-6'0", but then again, you'd have to do that to try to make him fit with your silly 5'7" estimate for Sly. Actually, I don't think estimate is the right word. Wish is more appropriate.

@Harris: Mr. R did see Sly in NY years ago and did say he was near 5'9", but Brad never met Sly. But yeah, Frank2 is very interesting under any alias, I think he adds to the site, but he's not as infallible as he claims since he's often acted like meeting somebody was the same as putting them under a stadiometer and he was prone to human error and memory changing. There's nothing wrong with it, I've met people and changed my estimate later when I thought about it more, but acknowledging this would be better. Also, Kurt 2-3 inches taller than Sly is literally impossible. They may have been the exact same height, but either way, nothing more than a fraction separated them. As for Jackson, I was convinced he was 5'8" for a while seeing full body pics and video of him in cowboy boots shorter than 176 cm Eddie Murphy as well as shorter than 174 cm Michael Schumacher, but then a poster did post quite a few pics of Jackson looking at least 5'9" and I'm now quite uncertain on him. Honestly, he could be anywhere from 5'8" minimum to 5'9" max, imo.
Frankie68 said on 17/Jul/17
Mr.T has never been 5'11 flat in his life peak or now !! 5'9 -5-10 topps !! And was clearly 2 inches or more taller than Sly with his wedged up boxing shoes on as shown by jim hoppers pics from days ago !! There is also plenty of behind the scenes footage of Sly & Mr.T practicing fight scenes that support this !!
Harris said on 17/Jul/17
@Rising: Thanks for the reply, Frank2 was definitely full of surprises and could really get bizarre with his estimates at times no doubt! I remember having almost heated arguments with him on some of his vague estimations!

Its really weird he'd say a 5'7"-5'8" max guy would appear 5'11" in cowboy boots, and I agree he must have estimated that difference with his own shoes on...which in my belief I'd picture it be a roughly 5'9" in barefeet guy and a 6-foot-in shoes guy. As for Jackson, I do remember him insisting he was 5'9" a long while ago while scrolling through comments, and it somehow changed to 5'7" years later funny enough...he really seemed to have a strong sense of dislike (or even hatred) towards Jackson especially as time went on which could have caused his bias. I think Mr. R and Brad said he was 5 9, given they apparently met him too. That's definitely noteworthy, how tall do you think Michael Jackson actually was given some of those variations on his height?

And for, Kurt Russell, that was really weird for sure. He posted a number comments insisting he was "no taller than 5'9" which indicated he might have been shorter than that, and then years later, with his brand new identity as Mr. Knowitall (as he claims to have known it all) he literally says "no shorter, no taller than 5 10". And the thing is, he'd argue with anyone who didn't agree with his estimates so it did make him a bit of a hypocrite imo. I can't deny his entertainment value though lol. I actually hope he makes a return...although I think he has at times disguised himself under names like Tom, James and Steve in recent years!
Rising - 174 cm said on 17/Jul/17
More with Bruce as well as Bruce and Arnold. Only video and full pics

2010 Hollywood Awards with 180 cm Bruce Willis again and Arnold who was likely a solid 182 cm then as he could have been anywhere from 5'11.5"-6'0" 7 years ago: Video: Click Here Pic to show flat, normal looking dress shoes again: Click Here Actually, Sly had similar shoes to Bruce, but if anything, Arnold had the biggest looking shoes(see Parker's July 10th post). Bruce isn't more than 2" taller than Sly and given the range Arnold was at this time, we can safely say Sly looks at least 174-175 cm with him.

With Bruce again at the 2011 HBO "His Way" premiere: Video: Click Here And once again, completely flat, normal looking shoes: Click Here I'd say about 2 inches shorter than Bruce, certainly not less than 174-175 range.

Also, since I posted full pics below, here's video of Sly and a then 6'3"-6'3.5" Dolph at the Ritz Hotel in 2010: Click Here With Dolph likely 191 cm back then, there's no way Sly looks under 5'9" with him. Similarly, as I posted several pics of Sly with Dolph and Jason Statham at the Expendables London premiere in 2010, here's video of that as well: Click Here Just as the pics show, it's clear Sly is not shorter than Statham and doesn't look under 5'9" with Dolph once again.

For Sly to be 5'7", he'd have to be in minimum 3" elevators at all these when he looked to be in normal shoes, those low cut Prada shoes of his would have to give him about 3.5"-4", his Hogan sneakers at least 5" and those pretty normal looking shoes I suspected probably had subtle lifts with Arnold in Macau and with Tom Jones in late 2014 would have to be 4". It's downright laughable. I agree with Parker, I think it's often easy to tell when he doesn't have lifts. He always has good posture, but his posture and walk are different when he has his lifts and his proportions are different as well. While Sly has relatively short legs and a relatively long torso and arms, we can see from barefoot pics that his legs aren't that short and they'd have to be if he had lifts in all these photos and videos.
Rising - 174 cm said on 17/Jul/17
Just like my July 15th post of only video and full body pics Sly, primarily in 2010 with Statham and Dolph Lundgren, I'll compare him in 2010 to Bruce Willis and Mickey Rourke using only video and full body pics.

2010 Expendables Los Angeles Premiere with Mickey Rourke and Bruce Willis(both 5'11"): Video: Click Here (Angle gets better about 28 seconds in) Full pics with both Mickey and Bruce: Click Here Click Here With just Mickey: Click Here Click Here Click Here

2010 Red Screening with Bruce Willis: Videos: Click Here Click Here This shows how flat and normal Sly's shoes look: Click Here

Certainly doesn't look look under 175 cm at these events and can look 176-177 range at times due simply to holding better posture and perhaps having 1/4" bigger heel in the case of the Expendables Los Angeles premiere. He measures up way better than a 5'7" or even flat 5'8" man does to 5'11" men. Actually, here's video of Sly and Mickey Rourke from within the last year: Click Here I don't know if Mickey is still at his peak height, he could have lost a half inch within these 6 years, but even if that's the case, Sly still easily looks over 5'8" with him. I'll continue in a follow up post with more pics and videos from this time since I can't fit any more in this one.
Rising - 174 cm said on 17/Jul/17
@Harris: Well said. I agree with your entire post. There's good video to show Sly looking not more than an inch shorter than Iron Mike and Rob himself said the shoes looked normal. Then we see Sly even today taller than Rob was with Carl Weathers. Frank2 actually insisted he saw Sly in socks at 5'7"-5'8" after he removed his cowboy boots due to his feet bothering him. But before that, Frank insisted Sly in cowboy boots had been his height. My theory is that Frank overestimated the height difference because of the dramatic difference between seeing Sly his height one minute and Sly inches shorter the next, especially since Sly's posture may have not been as good if he removed his boots due to them bothering him. Frank2's estimates has changed over the years as you can see in many cases, such as stating Michael Jackson was 5'9" in 2006, but then arguing he was 5'7" a few years back all based on the same meeting he had with Michael back in the 80s. Similarly, he said for years that Kurt Russell was never more than 5'9" including as KnowItAll then suddenly changes and says Kurt is 5'10". I think Frank2 may have remembered about how tall Sly was in socks compared to himself in shoes, but not adjusted for his 1 inch footwear advantage over Sly, which made Frank effectively 6' compared to Sly instead of 5'11". Or like I said, the dramatic difference between Sly in built up cowboy boots and Sly in socks made Sly seem even shorter than he really was. Add in the fact that heels and lifts force your posture up and it's very likely Sly would drop a little posture taking them off even if his feet hadn't been bothering him. These conditions and the fact that Frank's recollections weren't as perfect as he insisted they were as evidenced by the Jackson and Russell examples as 2 of many make it easy to see how Frank in shoes could confuse a 5'8.5"-5'9" man in socks for a 5'7"-5'8" man. But if Sly really was Frank's height in shoes in his boots(about 6 feet) then that alone rules out 5'7" as it's not even possible Sly had 5" boots. Even really big lifts in cowboy boots would give him maybe 3"-3.5" range at most and if he was 6' in them, that points to 5'8.5"-5'9". This is only my theory anyway. Frank2 would insist I'm wrong, that's his right and I appreciate his contributions to the site, but Frank seeing Sly without boots does not make him the best authority we have on Sly. Brigitte Nielsen saw him barefoot countless times and confirmed Sly was 174-175 cm just like we're saying and this was long after they were married when she'd have no reason to lie for him. One of her later husbands was around 5'7", she'd also know what that looked like and considering she also said Eddie Murphy is 5'9"-5'9.5", she seems to be a good judge of height.

@Danimal: Don't be silly. You've literally just subtracted the average loss from that one 40 year old survey you're so fixated on and applied it to Sly. It's a widly inaccurate method, which you should realize by the simple fact that Sly never looks less than 5'8". By your logic, Weathers must be 5'11.75". Arnold at 5'10"? I don't know where you got that one since he NEVER looks it. The shortest he's looked is a weak 5'11" with loose posture and can still look as tall as six footers with a decent heel. Actually, by your method, Arnold is still at least 6'0.25". By that same logic(or lack thereof), Rob's father would have been 5'9" at 64-65, yet Rob can verify that his father was still at his peak height of 5'10" until around that time. If you misinterpret that survey the way you do then that wouldn't make sense as that survey showed the averaged man losing 1" by 65 and 0.8" by 60. And certainly many 50 year old men don't lose 0.4" like the averaged of a paltry 1000 or so sampled for that survey.

Furthermore, Danimal, you made this comment in January of this year on the Wesley Snipes page and posted good photos to support your assertion:

Danimal said on 3/Jan/17
How do you have him at 5'9" when he's clearly shorter than Sly in all recent photos of them?

On that same day, you said

Danimal said on 3/Jan/17
He's 5'8"! Watch Blade 3. He shows his ID and it says 5'8". He was also noticeably shorter than Woody Harrelson in White Men Can't Jump and Woody's 5'9".

So, just earlier this year, you're pointing out Sly is taller than Wesley Snipes while saying Snipes is 5'8". So you made the case for a minimum 5'8.25"-5'8.5" Sly yourself. Of course, estimating Snipes height based on a fictional characters' ID is also silly since it obviously didn't come from Snipes as the real Wesley Snipes has only claimed 5'10" and 5'11", but that's another story. I could see Snipes at 5'8.5" and Sly was not shorter 3 years ago as you demonstrated so well, so Sly was still 5'8.5"-5'8.75" in 2014.

Aside from Sly looking 174 cm with a 185 cm Carl Weathers, He also looked 174 cm to me when he had normal shoes with 179 cm Michael B. Jordan. With big boots, he could still look similar to Jordan as you can see during Creed. Sly at 5'7" makes his brother Frank not much more than 5'8" these days.
Harris said on 17/Jul/17
Sly was easily at least 174 if not 175 cm at peak. There's no solid evidence he was 5'7", so constantly stating that he was seems a bit silly to me. He looked clearly taller than Rob did with legitimate 5'10" Mike Tyson several years ago in obvious normal-looking footwear! In fact there's so much proof for Rob's listings I'm starting to think some posters on here just choose to completely ignore the evidence provided for a 5'9 Sly.

By the way if anyone can remember, what was Frank2/Knowitall's estimate on Stallone? Considering his claimed work in the entertainment industry and the countless number of celebrities he claimed to have come across, I'm sure he'd have met him. I really think Rob should archive old comments...
Montana said on 17/Jul/17
@Montana: Wow, great find. Sly legitimately looks about as tall as Bruce and no more than 2 inches shorter than Arnold. I'm sure he had cowboy boots and he had to wear lifts inside, but there can be little doubt he's passed for 5'11" on a number of occasions.

Thanks. To be honest, in this video I thought Sly looked short compared to Bruce and Arnold. But at that time, when those 3 guys opened all the Planet Hollywood resteaurants, there were many ocassions where you could compare them standing next to each other and obviously Sly's height various the most, but sometimes also Arnolds. Bruce is like the onlyconstant because he not only wore flat shoes but he sometimes wore flip flops and still looked tall enough. I wonder whether there has ever been a pic of showing Bruce wearing cowboy boots? I have never seen him wearing them. Imagine what he would make Sly and Arnold look like if he wore them lol
Johan said on 17/Jul/17
He could pull off 5'11" at times by wearing cowboyboots with lifts. Would be easy to get near 3 inches with those. Still a guy under 5'9" wouldn't be able to pull that off, I still say for sure he was 5'9" and down to 5'8" today.

Arnie had 2 inches both on Willis and Sly (with wedged boots) so 6'1" flat really.
Slim 181 cm said on 17/Jul/17
5'9 "glory days"
5'8.5 today
The HGH must of maintained bone density and reduced height loss, if he didn't he'd take HGH he'd be 5'7-5'7.75
MJKoP said on 17/Jul/17
Shredder said on 15/Jul/17
5'7 Sly is like saying Jaye Davidson is 5'3 ;) lol.

Well, on June 30th, you cited Davidson as 5'8.5" making for a 5.5" difference between that and the widely circulated 5'3" misconception; add the same amount to the 5'7" figure for Sly and you get.....Stallone at 6'0.5?!?! :D j/k
Danimal said on 16/Jul/17
RisingForce said on 14/Jul/17
Considering Weathers could still be a full 6'1"(see my April 19th post on Carl's page of Carl with Philip Winchester), Sly does look 5'8.5" there to me and I believe his shoes are normal, but even by merely having perfect posture, Sly is a guy who can look a bit taller so 5'8.25" is equally possible.

Arnold still had 3" max on Sly at the Terminator Genisys premiere as well. Video: Click Here Full pic: Click Here I'd bet they have similar shoes there as well. One reason I'm so convinced is the comparison I just posted of Sly in what I believe to be subtle lifts with Arnold only a year earlier in Macau(where Sly is wearing red and white). Even considering I'm pretty sure Sly lost 1/4" to 1/2" in that year, I think the difference is striking enough to demonstrate my point.

Which makes sense considering Arnold is 5'10 1/4" and Sly's 5'7 1/4" today.
Montana said on 16/Jul/17
Johan

Sly is nowhere near 5'11" legit there. If I was being conservative I would say 3.5 inches difference but no less. So Sly appearing 5'9" would make Arnold 6'0.5" there minimum. If he is gaining a boost from lifts then Arnold being 6'1.5" peak is legit, I wouldn't argue more than 2 inches for that footwear from Sly, looks less even. So maybe he appears 5'10" there with a cuban now that I look closer (1.5 inchers) but with his puffy hair I can see why he would fool you for 5'11". Shave his head and he isn't above his eyebrows.

It's not like I am saying Sly is a tall guy, but I have never been sure whether Arnold has ever been above 6ft legit. To me Sly appears taller than 5'10 in that 1992 video that I posted, maybe 5'11 and I am not only looking at the eye and head level but also at the shoulder height, which to me seems like they are not too far off. If Arnold was really like 6'2, even in shoes then he should look taller then that
Rising - 174 cm said on 16/Jul/17
@Montana: Wow, great find. Sly legitimately looks about as tall as Bruce and no more than 2 inches shorter than Arnold. I'm sure he had cowboy boots and he had to wear lifts inside, but there can be little doubt he's passed for 5'11" on a number of occasions.

@Jim Hopper: Mr. T shrunk. He was taller in the 80s. You can see this with legit 6'1" Carl Weathers in Rocky 3 and the promo pics for it. I'd guess Mr. T was closer to 5'11" back then since he could look taller than that, especially with Weathers: Click Here Click Here It's also quite possible they made the height difference greater between the two. Sly dropped down to 163 pounds for that film to enhance the "David vs Goliath" imagery, so it's clear they wanted a size difference between the two. Dolph Lundgren claimed Sly had him stand on a box for the famous "I must break you" line and glove touch, so it's possible they did the same. If you watch the behind the scenes training footage, it's clear Mr. T is taller, but not a lot taller: Click Here No more than 2 inches. Sly at 174-175 cm and Mr. T at 179-180 cm peak is probable. 5'8¾" for Sly may be the safest guess. Incidentally, you also see Mr. T and Weathers about 5 minutes into that video.

@MJKoP: I still do remember quite a bit about Glenn, though, despite not talking to him for 3 years. I spoke to Glenn on the phone at length not too long after his final departure from celebheights, which gave me a pretty good idea of his mentality. I can say that my impression was he all but didn't acknowledge his 5'6.5" measurement (or what we thought was 5'6 5/8" at that time). He took his high measurement(5'7", but he thought 5'7.25") and considered that his normal night height and was pretty exasperated venting about the whole situation. He did also say Rob was 5'9" at one point. We usually didn't talk about height or celebheights, but he did repeat to me in one conversation what he told Rob through email about possibly being 5'7.5" out of bed. I do believe that could very well be true, but instead of a minimum, it's likely the most he'd be out of bed with 5'7.25" being a pretty likely out of bed height as well. I don't care how tall Glenn tells people in his personal life he is, but trying to convince celebheights members he's 5'8" is a bit silly at this point and it's not wise of him to direct posts like the Andrew Garfield one(where he calls Rob a height troll for guessing Garfield 5'10.5" as opposed to the 5'11" Glenn thinks) at the site and talk about retaliation as that just invites more criticism to him, best for his own psyche if he leaves the site in the past. But I really think he's largely convinced himself 5'6.5" was some sort of anomaly. Unlike Rob, Glenn always took a very unscientific approach to height. Remember Glenn's supposed late growth spurt of 1" around age 22? That's quite rare to grow that much then. It's likely he had been measured near 5'7" earlier and never grew, but someone told him he looked taller, or Glenn thought his father was and remained 5'8" so he may have perceived them being the same height and it's also possible he got measured in shoes some time after that and was near 5'8". I actually do believe he had friends who told him he could look 5'9". If you encounter many people who don't have the interest in height we do, you regularly see people about 5'8" or 5'9" claiming 5'10", 5'11" or 5'10" claiming 6 feet etc. I also noticed that from the misconception that men regularly grow to 25(the average man reaches his full height by about 18), I've noticed some young people who seem to just assume they grew and add an inch or two to their height. I had a friend years ago who claimed 6'1" barefoot and he was nowhere near it so I challenged him on it and he challenged me to measure him, so I did and he came in at 5'10.75". Keep in mind, this was pretty early, perhaps 10 or 11 am as we had been playing basketball 1 on 1 earlier that morning so I doubt he was at his low. Btw, I won the game. ;) Funny enough, even after that, he was still claiming 6' or 6'1" for some time.

I really don't think he knew how tall he was before meeting Rob, though. Otherwise, why would he consent to it? Why wouldn't he have lay down before the first measurement? Plus, not all of his overestimates line up with a man trying to inflate his own height. As for Sly, Glenn could have easily written off the photos as Sly being in lifts and nobody would have doubted him. If anything, Glenn's insistence that Sly had sandals on one occasion and low cut casuals on the other occasion(I believe him on the latter), just called into question Glenn's own height. Then there's Bruce Willis, who Glenn insisted was 6'1", which less believed than Glenn's Sly estimate since Sly could at least look it, but Glenn didn't even have a picture with Bruce, so why lie? Then there were a lot of 5'6"-5'8" celebs who Glenn either rendered a pretty accurate guess on or actually downgraded! Sean Penn at 5'7" is an example.

Mel never claimed 5'11" either. Glenn simply misinterpreted an article summing up Mel's appearance on Parkinson. This is likely what he read: "After demonstrating they are the same height - at 5 feet, 11 inches - Mel then jokes to the audience:..."

Think about it, Mel claimed 5'10" recently in a video interview for Hacksaw Ridge, he claimed it to a 1990 newspaper interviewer, studio publicity listed Mel at 5'10" Lethal Weapon era and Mel's booking sheet listed him 5'10" in 2011. Glenn thinks a man who has repeatedly claimed 5'10" over a 30 year period is 5'11". Even if he did push his luck and try 5'11" once, why would he have said 5'10" for the other 30 years? That's when it gets silly. Funny enough, if you go
loka said on 16/Jul/17
To Frankie68 : i really don't think that Sly has any lift in his boxing shoes... It would be too dangerous. He would have sprained his ankle more than once time. It has never been reported in 30 years of Rocy Mowies (76-2006).
Brad said on 16/Jul/17
The Portman life-live it.
Frankie68 said on 16/Jul/17
@jim hooper , Sly also has lifts in his boxing shoes with MR. t for sure !!! My point exactly !! Perfect pic to prove my claim of 5'7 !! But to be fair he does often look taller but like i always say its cause of what footwear he is wearing at the time !!! More evidence supports him looking short than tall considering his footwear ,,,
Johan said on 16/Jul/17
Click Here


Here is what they look like today when sly forgets lifts.


Click Here This is a pic where sly can pull off 5'11" compare him to willis on the left a legit 5'11" guy. Also 2 in under arnie.
Johan said on 16/Jul/17
Montana said on 16/Jul/17

In what world does Arnold have him by 4 inches? If Sly is close to 5'11 here, due to lifts, then Arnold is nowhere near above 6'1, and Sly isn't atanding straight either, he is quite relaxed with relatively wide opened legs


Sly is nowhere near 5'11" legit there. If I was being conservative I would say 3.5 inches difference but no less. So Sly appearing 5'9" would make Arnold 6'0.5" there minimum. If he is gaining a boost from lifts then Arnold being 6'1.5" peak is legit, I wouldn't argue more than 2 inches for that footwear from Sly, looks less even. So maybe he appears 5'10" there with a cuban now that I look closer (1.5 inchers) but with his puffy hair I can see why he would fool you for 5'11". Shave his head and he isn't above his eyebrows .

If you want to convince yourself that Sly ever loses a mm when standing go ahead :) He even looks at the screen to see how he looks in comparison after 3.42.. lol.
loka said on 16/Jul/17
To Jim Hopper : It's very hard to see what is the real height difference between Mister T and Sly in 1982. It seems that there is a good 4 cm between the 2 depending on the Pics. The Pic you posted : Sly is spreading his legs making Mister T appear taller. Si I see there 5 cm. Consider also the fact that Mister T has lost some height since 1982. A lot of people noticed that. Sly is now taller than him with good shoes on. Mister T was supposed to be a good 179 cm in 1982 so Sly was probably around 175... IMO.
Montana said on 16/Jul/17
Check this video out guys, Sly, Arnold and Bruce standing in line in the first 30 seconds

Click Here
Montana said on 16/Jul/17
Johan "Arnold isn't standing straight he is lowering himself. Pause at 3.39 min and look in the screen on stage, he has him by 4 inches."

In what world does Arnold have him by 4 inches? If Sly is close to 5'11 here, due to lifts, then Arnold is nowhere near above 6'1, and Sly isn't atanding straight either, he is quite relaxed with relatively wide opened legs
Jim Hopper said on 16/Jul/17
Ok heres my take on Slys height. I met Mr T twice in London at a hotel I was working for. I think 2000 and 2006 ish iirc. Im just over 6-2". Hes not a tall guy really! IMO 5-10" max yeah I was shocked too. Heres a pic of them 1982 both. Sly looks 5-7.5" or 5-8" here to me. Click Here
Shredder said on 15/Jul/17
5'7 Sly is like saying Jaye Davidson is 5'3 ;) lol.
RisingForce said on 15/Jul/17
I think the first Expendables is a great time to judge how tall Sly was because he wore dress shoes a lot, but judging how tall he could still look with Randy Couture in his Hogan sneakers, I don't think he had lost anything by that point. I think people who think Sly has lost an inch only have Sly as a superstar in their mind. When you see him pre-Rocky, he could look shorter. Going by eye level(since they had hats), I thought he looked an inch, maybe 3 cm shorter than 5'10" Ben Gazzara in Capone(1975) for instance. But yous see him tower Woody Allen in the early 70s and it's also clear to me he was closer to 5'9" than 5'8".

For reference, Statham is somewhere from 174-175 cm, perhaps in between at 5'8.75" as Rob lists him. He can't be less than 5'8.5", otherwise Tom Cruise may be the flat 5'7" people insist. Dolph appears in a few 2010 photos and I'd give him 191 cm in 2010 to be safe as it's in between the minimum 6'3" and max 6'3.5" he was at that point.

2010 German photocall: Click Here (Dolph also stands well for once and Sly is not more than 6" shorter)
2010 UK premiere: Click Here Click Here Click Here Click Here
2010 Las Vegas Planet Hollywood screening: Click Here
2010 Ritz Hotel Paris w/ Dolph: Click Here

And as a bonus:

2014 Paris photocall w/ Statham: Click Here

I'm convinced Sly wasn't shorter than Statham and I think it's likely he was slightly taller, especially since he still appeared at least as tall or slightly taller in 2014 when I think a 1/4" loss is pretty likely, but Statham is close enough that considering Statham's posture often isn't very good while Sly has great posture, the difference could have never been much. Outside of his shoes looking flat and normal, if anyone wants, I can post examples of how Sly looks when he does wear lifts with Statham, which I think demonstrates pretty well that he's in normal shoes. Actually, Sly could look 175.5 to 176 cm back in 2010, such as with Dolph, but I think that's just the advantage of impeccable posture making him appear 1 cm taller than he really is at times since a flat 5'9" is the most I'd argue personally as I think he was likely anywhere from 174.5 to 175 cm(5'8.7"-5'8.9"). I think there's a chance that Sly is actually still as tall as Statham today as both could be 174, but it's a shame there are only walking pics from their meeting late last year.
Brad said on 15/Jul/17
He's an autograph dealer. His 401K is a few autographs. I think he's been banned from eBay or no credit card to do it. His photos were proof but sumthin' happened. Super M was cool. He shoulda had a Bronx Zoo flag with a G on it.
MJKoP said on 15/Jul/17
RisingForce: That is a very good point. I don't know exactly how good your memory is(though it seems rather intact!), but if you'll notice, Glenn gradually upped all his celeb estimates as the years went on. Though you say you think Glenn legitimately didn't know his own height - which may very well be true - but Brad's theory is(which he posted previously) is that Glenn DID indeed know he was under 5'7" and did everything he could to conceal it. Which might explain the "Portmans" and the "Volvo", along with all the upper-body shots where he is obviously tip-toeing or standing on a higher surface(or both!). It's pretty evident that as time went on, he knew he was closer and closer to being "caught" and being anything under his fantasy height of 5'8" would be literally(again!) the worst thing imaginable to him. That's why I tend to think that both you and Brad are correct. How? As a student of psychology, I see an inner struggle knowing deep down inside that he's not near 5'8", but not wanting to openly admit that to even himself. With his incessant posting her, his mind went into the most defensive mode possible and he was actually able to delude HIMSELF into believe his own fabrications. When he admitted to measuring 5'6.5" on one occasion(trying to illustrate a point about some hotly debated celebrity, but it backfired in the most devastating way possible), but chalked the measurement to being uneven floorboards and/or some quackity hack of a Doctor. Yeah, because it takes an MD of the most prestigious medical school to instruct someone to stand still and push a piece of plastic until it hits the top of their head. :P

Anyway, that's why Glenn agreed to meet with Rob. By that point he had adequately convinced himself that he had nothing to worry about and would never be exposed. I've witnessed many classical cases of cognitive dissonance, but this one stands head and shoulders(pun SO intended!) above them all.

After the meeting in New York he went into self-preservation mode, and clearly still is reeling from the experience today. At one point he said on here that Mel Gibson "is definitely between 5-7 and 5-8" saying that was "the most accurate estimate possible from someone who has seen him in person and would know the best"(not sure if those were the exact words he used, but I may NOT even be paraphrasing). Then about a year later it went to "5-8 or 5-9". Then "5-9 to 5-10". Now on facebook he insists Gibson is the 5'11" that Gibson himself allegedly claimed at one point(But where? Wouldn't Rob have that vital quote on Gibson's page?)

But since this page is about Stallone and all...Glenn once said that Stallone at five SEVEN was possible. No joke. To give you the full context, he was talking about Colin Farrell and in response to those who thought Farrell was under 5'10" he said "anything is possible. even Stallone at 5-7. but one thing is for sure.Colin isnt under the 5-11 i saw him at" So you see, he kinda sunk his own battleship while trying to make a point about Farrell. Now, of course, he staunchly purports 5'11" as Sylvester Stallone's true, official, present-day height. I mean, there's not one, but TWO shots of Sly looking a good three inches taller than Glenn...so Sly HAS to be 5'11"; there's no other conceivable way!!!! :D

And these two cases of inflation are hardly isolated examples. At one point he said Tom Cruise is "100% 5-6.75 to 5-7.25". Now, of course, Cruise is "5-9. Not under." Weirdly enough, he still has Brad Pitt at only 5'11", even describing them both as such in the same sentence(a matter of weeks ago, when someone was talking about Interview With the Vampire). Only a two inch difference, Glenn?!?! Oh, that's right - there aren't any head-on shots of you standing next to Pitt! If there were, Brad would be every bit of the six-foot-one that Clooney described him as.

And the list of G's not-so-subtle backpedaling just goes on, and on, and on......
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this is the closest Sly and Arnold might have ever looked on TV


Arnold isn't standing straight he is lowering himself. Pause at 3.39 min and look in the screen on stage, he has him by 4 inches.

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