How tall is Shawne Merriman - Page 6

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6ft 2.65in (189.6cm)
Canson said on 25/Mar/18
@Andrea and Viper: to add to my last post to Viper, I can’t see the 6’2.4 or 6’2 being misprints only because there are two measurements of him at 6’2 vs only the one combine at 6’4 3/8. For Merriman being an undersized Defensive End in college I can easily see them listing him 6’4” when he was shorter. I can see a mistake there or even possibly them giving him the benefit of the doubt possibly which they do in the NBA all the time. Look at guys like Dwayne Wade he for sure does not look anything remotely close to 6’4” without shoes. I even know a scout who has interacted with him and said that he’s nowhere near as tall as Lebron james. He said Lebron himself looked 6’7” but that Wade is roughly his height of 6’2 or maybe a hair taller essentially saying as well he’d be surprised if he is 6’3” as there was a minimal difference at best. I’d also be surprised if he’s as tall as Viper looking at him. Wade doesn’t look as tall as Bradley Beal to be honest. Beal measured 6’3.25 (morning) but Is said to have grown. My guess is maybe he’s 6’3-6’3.5 today at a low. John Wall has also said before he himself Is 6’1” (probably more like 6’1.5-.75). Also know two people who’ve met Wall and both said they be surprised if he’s 6’2” or over. One is 6’3 the other 6’0”. Now with Merriman he can give off a taller impression in some pics but I would be hard pressed to have him anything over maybe 6’2.5. 6’2” like Viper says makes sense if his measurement was really 6’2.3 vs 6’4.3 as the combine is AM. But I’d say he could be a touch over 6’2 to be honest
Andrea said on 25/Mar/18
Canson, just because you aren't (or at least you don't seem to be) aware of camera tricks such as camera angles and camera positions doesn't mean that I make excuses. We've already been there, though, and I certainly am not gonna start a new discussion. If the picture is good and Shawne looks shorter than what I may think he is, I have no problem to "admit" it. For example, I am the first one who posted that picture with Trump by saying that I wouldn't have guessed him over 6'3 with him (certainly not as low as 6'2 either, though). I mean, that's a decent picture and a good example of Shawne looking no more than 6'3. As for that picture with Vince Young, I agree that Shawne can seem at least a couple inches shorter than him, but again, the camera is low and Vince's head is closer to the camera, hence I am sure he has some camera advantage over him...
P.S. Since you brought up Boris again, I must say that I am a lot more sure about Boris than about Shawne because, unlike Shawne, Boris' height doesn't vary so much, but he basically always looks the same range with every celebrity he meets: at least 6'4. In Boris' case, in fact, I am 100% sure he's comfortably over 6'3 and, as I said, I would bet all of my money on it. In Shawne's case, I would just say that it is very, very, very unlikely that he's nearer 6'2 than 6'4 because he looks too tall with way too many people (the majority of whom was measured as well) to be as short as that...
Canson said on 25/Mar/18
@Viper: I’m definitely not seeing a weak 6’2 with Castillo. I doubt Merriman is that low and he never really looks less than 6’2”. I can make my argument that he looks a strong 6’2” most of the time and even a weak 6’3” in addition to your argument and Andrea’s. But Castillo and Merriman look close in height to Andrea’s credit but in no way is Castillo shorter than Merriman to my eye. If he is it isn’t anything that we would be able to judge without them back to back. Meaning the best I can see for Merriman is 6’2 1/2 maybe. And Jackson being a morning measurement would put him 6’4.3 max like his senior Bowl. So Castillo likely is more like 6’2 1/4 or 3/8 too but even if we were to say that there is a camera angle there which there could be, it is not enough to say that Merriman is a full inch taller than Castillo let alone 1.5”. To me a best case is if there is a camera angle that those two could be the same height or thereabouts but it’s clear that both are shorter than Jackson even with an advantage. My point to Andrea was, in fairness, that evidence exists on both sides. His and yours both. We can’t simply negate pics or say there is no evidence of him looking 6’3.5-6’4 because there is but we also cannot hide the fact that he does often enough look the height you say he is. And in this case, the pic with Davis that you posted (in my honest opinion) is no worse than the ones Andrea posted as there is some degree of camera angle influence or posture etc in each of the 3 or 4 pics we’ve seen. So my point is that one is just as good as the next as a result. In addition, the pic with Jackson shows your point along with the one with Vince Young and the Espy video with Davis that you posted on a different page. I posted it here but not sure where it went or whether rob posted it. I’ll find it tho and repost it because it’s there on this site. In addition there are other pics where he looks 6’2”.

To Andrea’s credit tho, James Brown pic along with the one with Condo where he looks close in height with him but the other guy in the pic he looks around same. Then the pic with LT he has a point that Merriman looks 6’3.5 maybe with Osgood but with Lorenzo Neal and LT Merriman looks 6’2” range. So even in one pic Merriman can give an appearance of multiple different height ranges.

As for when you met Merriman, it’s possible he wasn’t standing at his tallest but I doubt that is going to make him 2” taller either maybe 1/2” (you said he could look sub 6’2 possibly). Also possible there was a footwear difference between you two. But I see Davis with him and it is hard for me to say Merriman is taller than Davis let alone even as tall. Davis to me looked roughly 6’3”. Despite the poor posture he exhibits in some of these pics that we’ve seen in this debate, he stood tall next to me. For comparison one of my best friends is your height. He is 60 years old as well and dips a hair below 6’3” at night to 190.3 I believe. He looks pretty much the same as Davis imho. But Davis is built better and doesn’t have the body fat he has so I could argue either way but with a 6’3.25 combine I am hard pressed to put Davis much above 6’3 (even tho with good posture he had he could look it) and to me there’s a better chance he’s under the mark than over now that I see that the combine was early morning the year he was drafted. I guessed Davis 1-1.5” shorter than me. Possible it was a full 1.5 or close but There’s always a chance there’s a footwear advantage of some sort even the slightest fraction impacts the measurement or comparison.
viper said on 25/Mar/18
No, Laron Profit was always listed at 6-5.

Some other site had Keith Booth at 6-4
viper said on 25/Mar/18
Antonio Gates is strange. He looked shorter than 6-3 Terrell Suggs on family feud.
Andrea said on 25/Mar/18
Wow, Canson agrees with you, viper??? Then you must be right for sure. To be fair, Canson is the only guy on here who still takes you seriously...
Andrea said on 25/Mar/18
Unfortunately, that clip with Vernon is useless because Vernon is standing noticeably closer to the camera and it's impossible to tell any height difference (or even who is the taller one)...
Andrea said on 25/Mar/18
Canson, to be fair, Vernon isn't standing any different than Shawne next to Ladainian. And, if anything, Shawne looks more disadvantaged than Vernon, considering that he looks further away from the camera compared to him!
Canson said on 25/Mar/18
@Andrea: but you keep saying because Rivers or Gates aren’t much taller. That’s In that particular picture they aren’t but look at Vince Young with Merriman he’s clearly 2” taller same with Jackson. There are def pictures you posted where Merriman looks the height you think he is but you can’t simply make an excuse for the ones where he looks 6’2 or negate them and say well they don’t exist. They count as evidence too. That’s why I mentioned before and agree with you that his height is all over the place even more than Boris. I think Boris could edge him out to be honest. The more I see of Boris the more I believe he’s a solid 6’3 and that Merriman could be a strong 6’2 to be honest. And Castillo doesn’t have much advantage on Merriman by the way. Look at their eye levels and their heads are similar size and look at how they stack up to Jackson. They line up to their combine measurements and Merriman lines up to 6’2 pro day and 6’2 1/2 Senior Bowl imho
viper said on 24/Mar/18
I'm more excited about Rob adding the only New Orleans Saints player in the Hall of Fame on here, Rickey Jackson.
viper said on 24/Mar/18
Still can't believe Andrea thought Castillo looked shorter. No way
viper said on 24/Mar/18
Sorry Andrea, that's at least an inch difference with Maybin and Maybin's posture isn't even as good. Merriman looks 6-2 range there and with better posture by Maybin Merriman looks a weak 6-2.

So to say Vernon is taller in the same pic when Merriman looks 6-2 range next a guy with worse posture......

If Vernon was standing next to Merriman with the same posture as him he would be looking the same height as Maybin
viper said on 24/Mar/18
It's funny how Andrea doesn't believe I saw Merriman up close. I'm 37 years old and have been a Maryland fan since the 80s. I've been to a million Maryland basketball and football games
viper said on 24/Mar/18
It's funny how Andrea doesn't believe I saw Merriman up close. I'm 37 years old and have been a Maryland fan since the 80s. I've been to a million Maryland basketball and football games
viper said on 24/Mar/18
Canson Merriman looks a weak 6-2 with Castillo
viper said on 24/Mar/18
Andrea, that was such a great try that Canson agrees with me
Canson said on 24/Mar/18
With Ray Lewis he definitely doesn’t look over 6’2.5 maybe. He also has a footwear advantage in one pic and a camera advantage even then Ray is well above his eyebrows. In the other pic it’s about 6’2. Ray has 1 listing of 6’0 5/8 and looks no taller than Trump. Likely 6’0.5-.75 zone

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Canson said on 24/Mar/18
@Andrea: that’s correct and I agree but Vernon davis is clearly not standing straight with Tomlinson. That’s as obvious as you get. If we were to negate some of Viper’s pictures then we should not use these two comparisons of the two because it’s not much better if at all
Canson said on 24/Mar/18
@Viper: I sure do! Wasn’t he listed at 6’6 when he played? At least at one point? Yea I thought he was a legit 6’5” guy. I’ve actually balled with keith Booth before. He’s listed as 6’6” but in reality isn’t noticeably taller than me. Maybe 195cm (6’4.75) but I wouldn’t go much higher than that (1/2”) on me. He could also be 6’4.5 honestly because I felt at times we were the same height and I couldn’t tell 1/4” diff
Andrea said on 24/Mar/18
I couldn't find any draftscout measurement for him, but this Antonio Gates guy is supposed to have been measured at 6'3 4/8 on couchscout: Click Here Click Here
Funny how, according to couchscout, Gates is supposed to have been measured at 6'3 4/8, Philip Rivers (the guy on the right) at 6'5... and Shawne at 6'2 4/8! This goes to show that that 6'2 4/8 figure must have been a typo or something, considering that there's simply no way that Shawne is 1 inch shorter than Gates and 2.5 inches shorter than Rivers.
Andrea said on 24/Mar/18
Well, me, on the other hand, I think that Shawne is taller than Vernon. And I'm not just saying that because I want to say that (or because I think that he looks "physically taller", which admittedly makes no sense), but I have a good reason for thinking that way: 2 good pictures where Shawne looks easily taller.
As for that picture with Castillo and Jackson, the camera angle plays a big role in it, so I don't see how you can say "regardless of camera angle". I agree that Jackson would still be taller taller than Shawne, but I'm sure the difference would be less than how it appears there. The same goes for Castillo.
viper said on 24/Mar/18
Canson do you remember Laron Profit playing basketball for Maryland in the 90s. I thought he was the one legit listed 6-5 until I saw him up close at a Maryland game a few years ago. He looked no more than 6-4 and I was surprised.

Then I see he was listed at 6-4 before the draft.
Canson said on 23/Mar/18
@Viper: I have to agree Merriman isn’t looking anything over 6’2” or 6’2.5 with Trump
Canson said on 23/Mar/18
@Viper and Andrea: this is the video you were prob talking about Viper. Sure Davis is closer to the camera but Merriman is definitely not taller than he is. I would think Davis is but not sure they could be about the same

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Canson said on 23/Mar/18
@Andrea: An aged Steven seagal with Him. Seagal is likely under 6’4 today and still is taller even with his head tilted somewhat
viper said on 23/Mar/18
Couchscout has Martavis Bryant at 6-3.4
Andrea said on 23/Mar/18
LOL, if anything, that picture should rule out any chance of 6'2 for Shawne, considering that he looks comfortably taller than Vernon and quite close to Aaron. Nice try though, viper. Nice try...
Andrea said on 23/Mar/18
Canson, if Shawne looks only 6'2 with Ladainian, then Vernon looks no more than 6'1...
Canson said on 23/Mar/18
@Viper: Maybin’s combine is actually 6’3.6 (3/4). Meaning he’s probably not that tall really because it’s morning so I would go with 6’3 3/8 esp since he got one at 6’3 7/8 (from what you’re saying). Still same result if he’s got Shawne by an inch that makes Merriman around 6’2 3/8 prob
Canson said on 23/Mar/18
@Andrea: I respect your opinion. I don’t think Davis is shorter than Merriman on the other hand. I would have him slightly taller. Jackson does look taller regardless of camera angle. You see Castillo next to both guys and they look (minus Merriman) what their combines would be in the AM. Meaning Castillo and Jackson. And I have to agree with Viper in that Castillo does look taller than Merriman. He’s certainly not shorter than him. Jackson has less difference with Castillo who measured 6’2.6 (likely 6’2 1/4 or 3/8) than with Merriman. Meaning it has to be around a 2” diff with Merriman. The reason the height decreases right to left is because Jackson is the tallest followed (likely) by Castillo followed (likely) by Merriman. Meaning Merriman’s combine measurement is likely an error and he’s more than likely 6’2” range. Maybe not a flat 6’2” but I can see him being a strong 6’2” perhaps
viper said on 23/Mar/18
IMO Rob should bring Merriman down on that pic alone. Absolute perfect posture, footwear and all and looking at least an inch shorter than 6-3.7 Aaron Maybin.
Andrea said on 23/Mar/18
That's not really the case, Canson, but, as I said, I certainly don't need to convince you... Regardless of Shawne's real height, he certainly does look taller than Vernon. How much is arguable, but I highly doubt they are the same height. Let alone Shawne being shorter!
As for Vincent Jackson's picture, I don't quite see as much as 2 inches between them. And that's without taking into account the fact that the camera angle is favoring the right side (hence Vincent). I'm sure the difference would be less than that in an "ideal picture"...
Canson said on 23/Mar/18
@Andrea: confirmed may be a bad way to describe but what I meant was he looks 6’2 with LT because in other pics he can look where you have him. But it means that there is evidence in both directions
Canson said on 23/Mar/18
@Viper: the times for the Pro Days is interesting. I wondered how some of the players measured close to their combine in some. Many measure lower though in their pro days. But even an afternoon measurement for some could result in sleep if the players know that it impacts the measurement. I think uniformity would be great tho. However, an example is Baker Mayfield. They stated that his Senior Bowl was private measurement as he was 1/4 below there. I’d be Curious to see how tall he was at his pro day or if he’s aware that laying down impacted it now
Canson said on 23/Mar/18
@Andrea: I respectfully disagree. As a matter of fact that just confirms that Davis is leaning with LT as Merriman only looks 6’2 (4” difference) in the pic Viper provided. Davis is standing poorly in at least 2 of those three noticeably. The first one wth them they look the same height Merriman is not taller than him. As for Jackson that is a 2” difference in height so Jackson at 6’4 3/8 would make Merriman no higher than about 6’2 3/8
Canson said on 22/Mar/18
@Viper: exactly. Rudolph is combine measured 1/2” above his normal height whereas 6’4 5/8 would be a 1 hour out of bed 6’4 1/8 afternoon meaning 1/8” shorter than I am. I would measure about 6’4.75 after an hour or more specifically 1mm (194.8cm) below but of course they only go to the 1/8” and round up so I would be 6046 at the combine as that’s an hour out of bed. And I’m 193.8cm (average) some days 1mm over others 1mm under so 6’4.25. But the norm is 3/8 or 1/2” difference
Andrea said on 22/Mar/18
Well, I am seeing them, Canson:
1. Click Here
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3. Click Here (although this last one is just a rough comparison between them, it clearly shows that Shawne looks easily taller than Vernon next to Ladainian, which certainly makes sense when you look at the first two pictures)
And I'm sorry, but saying that Vernon looks "physically taller" really makes no sense and honestly sounds a bit delusional...
"With Vincent Jackson I agree that he can look closer to 6'3 (not 6'2, though), but again, I think the camera angle is favoring the right side there, so I'm sure the difference between them would be less than how it appears in that photo: Click Here "
viper said on 22/Mar/18
Uhhhh Andrea, the guy next to Merriman is 6-3.7 Aaron Maybin
Canson said on 22/Mar/18
@Andrea: I agree with some of what you said in the post below but the photo with Vernon Davis isn’t any worse than any of the others that you commented on. All of those have issues tbh Davis is leaning in at least one of the pics as well. The one where he is off to the right. And Davis physically looks taller than Merriman and in the ones where you concluded that he looks taller than Davis i can choose at least another where they are the same Merriman isn’t taller. And in Viper’s Davis edged him out. Merriman may be taller in one of the pics if that.

As for the pic with Petty yes I agree with what you said that it isn’t a good pic it’s terrible I agree too. However, it’s a matter of you and Viper seeing things in different ways because not all of the ones he posted are terrible pics. The one with Vincent Jackson is one of the better ones on this page actually and in this debate
viper said on 22/Mar/18
Sorry Andrea, not even Paul is taking the bait
viper said on 22/Mar/18
Mason Rudolph was measured at:

6-4.5
6-4.3
6-4.1
viper said on 21/Mar/18
Canson check this out. It has specific times for pro days. Click Here
viper said on 21/Mar/18
Obviously the pic is angled more toward Petty. Just thought it was interesting
viper said on 21/Mar/18
Vernon actually looks more 2 inches taller than Merriman
viper said on 21/Mar/18
6-3 Gorka with Trump. Click Here

6-2 Merriman with Trump.
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Big difference.
Canson said on 21/Mar/18
@Andrea: I’m not seeing 3 pics where Merriman is taller. In the one Viper posted below Davis clearly is. And we can say someone is leaning or we can’t see footwear but that’s also the case in at least one pic that you posted (minus footwear of course) but Davis is leaning. Although I don’t agree with all that Viper has said here I would have to agree with him that he looks physically taller than merriman. I would have a hard time saying that Merriman is taller than him. Maybe Davis really doesn’t edge him by all that much or they’re similar but Merriman really doesn’t strike me as taller.

As for Vincent Jackson he measured 6’4.6 at the combine and 6’4.3 at the Senior Bowl which points to an afternoon measurement which is how his height would really be gauged here on celebheights. Maybe he’s a hair less but prob not any higher. For the sake of argument I’ll keep him at 6’4.3 since that’s about right when you consider difference from 1 hour out of bed. See the first link. If you look at the others in this listing such as Deangelo Williams Marcedes Lewis (who we discussed earlier) and Nick Mangold they’re examples of people listed 3/8 or 1/2” less than their Combine measurements. Not to mention i posted the article previously on Boris’s page to Checker where I made reference to Nick Mangold and the others and it says there that the players had a rise and shine at 6am and got drug tested then measured right after which given the disparity between both means about 1 hour on their feet of that much. Some vary a bit less but most on this list are half inch or 3/8” taller at the combine then their senior bowl listing which makes me believe these are 100% accurate just that they’re normal heights not eye openers. Jackson has more than 1.5” on Merriman. That looks about a good 2” imho. That would have to be a 3cm-3.5 cm diff to make Merriman 6’3”. That difference is more than 3cm. That’s about a 2” difference. If anything I could easily believe the 6’2.4 for Merriman at that stage but he could be a bit less even. But because other pics say otherwise I’d call that around 6’2.4

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Andrea said on 21/Mar/18
Very well said, Paul. But again, it's a classic for viper's photos (and videos). Look at his other "evidence" down below and have fun...
The same goes for the last photo he posted with Shawne and Vernon. Now tell me what you can conclude from a photo like that. It's shot from a very bad angle, you can't even tell whether they're standing tall or not and there's even some tilt in Vernon's favour, yet, according to our Mr "I'm a pretty good judge of height" here, Vernon is "clearly taller than 6-2 Merriman". And that's even funnier, considering that I have already posted two good pictures of them together where it's really the way around: Shawne is clearly taller than Vernon: Click Here Click Here
Canson said on 20/Mar/18
@Viper: the pic with petty isn’t the greatest tbh. That’s hard to tell a diff
Paul NS (6ft0.5) said on 20/Mar/18
Viper, how can you conclude that Petty is taller from that photo? It's a very bad angle for height judgment and you can't see footwear. It's impossible to gauge imo. (Plus, Petty is almost certainly at the age where he'd be losing height.)
viper said on 20/Mar/18
And 6-2.6 Castillo clearly looks taller than Merriman, yet our resident troll here will say different
viper said on 20/Mar/18
6-3 Vernon Davis is clearly taller than 6-2 Merriman. Click Here
Andrea said on 20/Mar/18
To be honest, I don't think Vernon is standing any worse than Shawne next to Ladainian... We now have 3 different photos (although the last one is still just a rough comparison) where Shawne looks easily taller than Vernon, hence why I find it very hard to believe that it's the other way around like you say. Photos certainly tell otherwise (and it's not only one).
As for Vincent Jackson, I'm not sure how tall he "really" is... On draftscout he's down at 6'4 6/8: Click Here Shawne I think can look over 1 inch but not quite 2 inches shorter than him in that picture: Click Here So nearer 6'3 than 6'4, assuming that Vincent is somewhere between 6'4 and 6'5, but again, I think the camera angle is favoring the right side there, so I'm sure the difference between them would be less than how it appears there.
Canson said on 20/Mar/18
@Andrea: I have to disagree there. It appears Vernon is standing worse to me but maybe I’m wrong. I still have Davis a little taller than Merriman that’s my opinion. And with Vincent Jackson he does in fact look that low. But doubt 6’2” flat around 6’2 3/8 or 6’2.5ish as that’s close to if not a full 2” difference in height. It really doesn’t look less than 2” and not as low as only 3cm. Remember you said that Kobe and Boris were 3cm difference that looks easily higher than that.
Andrea said on 20/Mar/18
Dear viper, Tom and Jared are just two of the many examples I could give. I could go on and on... Oh and let me rectify, you didn't just "guessed" them at 6'1 and 6'3, but you even said that 6'0 and 6'2 were quite possible too at one point. And you call yourself a "pretty good judge of height"? LMFAO
And do you want to talk about the fact that you even needed to use a countless number of "fake accounts" to comment on here in the last years (probably to cover your identity and fuc*ed up reputation on here)??? Come on, don't even get me started...
Andrea said on 20/Mar/18
Actually, Vernon isn't standing much different than Shawne next to Ladainian. Both of them aren't standing at their tallest, just like Ladainian, and, if anything, Shawne looks more disadvantaged than Vernon, considering that he looks further away from the camera compared to him! This means that if Shawne really looks only 6'2 like you say, then Vernon looks no more than 6'1...
As for the other people, he doesn't look as low a 6'2 (or even 6'2 4/8) either and I have already explained why in my last post:
"The only picture we have with Dexter Manley is this one Click Here and Dexter has a noticeable camera advantage over Shawne, given that the camera is behind is back. I dare anyone to tell any height difference in a picture like that! With Vincent Jackson I agree that he can look closer to 6'3 (not 6'2, though), but again, I think the camera angle is favoring the right side there, so I'm sure the difference between them would be less than how it appears in that photo: Click Here "
viper said on 19/Mar/18
I thought Welling was 6-1 range and Jared 6-3. An inch off.

"BUT GUIZE THAT MAKES VIPER A TROLL!" Lol
Canson said on 19/Mar/18
@Andrea: I don’t think Viper would have any reason to lie about meeting Merriman in person. Sure he may have (as could anyone) underestimate or overestimate someone’s height but I don’t think that there’s a reason when he’s also pointed out others he’s met where they looked close to what he mentioned. Also because I’ve seen on Twitter where viper has mentioned he met him in person and his story is consistent with it. Not to mention that the game where he met him i believe I was at that game as well and I myself saw him (as I’ve also mentioned). Now I wasn’t close enough to him to gauge his height. But I do have a friend who has stood face to face and his story was closs with Viper’s that he’s no more than 6’2 maybe 6’2/6’3 at absolute best. And Viper was the one that brought the game up that it was at. I just mentioned on Boris’s page that I saw him when he was with the chargers but had come back for a MD game. So I can surely believe he met him. Now it’s still possible his estimate was not very good but to me 6’2” has as much merit as your belief that he’s 6’3.5ish actually would be more likely he’s 6’2” range than that. If he measured 6’4.3 he would likely be 6’3 7/8 or 6’4 at a low which he never really looks (maybe one or two pics if I had to guess). I do think he does look 6’3.5 though in others so I agree with you on that. But he doesn’t look as tall as Tom Brady does either not even close imho. I’ll be honest with you though I first assumed he was 6’4” based on his measurement and based on the fact that he looked tall from a distance. I didn’t know or suspect until Viper said that to me on a different page so I asked someone else
viper said on 19/Mar/18
Even with the camera angle 6-2 Richard Petty looks taller. Click Here
viper said on 19/Mar/18
LT looks as tall as 5-11 Vernon's brother with him
Canson said on 19/Mar/18
@Andrea: Vernon isn’t standing as straight as Merriman. As for Vincent Jackson, Merriman looks just how Viper pegged him 6’2” range. Jackson measured 6’4.3 at the senior bowl and 6’4.6 at the combine so he’s max 6’4 3/8. While maybe 6’2 is too low 6’2.4 could be right. I understand your point with hardwick but that’s just the pic. Merriman can look taller than some guys that height but shorter than others. Like with Jackson and Castillo that’s a clear difference as is the case with Merriman and Manley. He looks 6’2” range with both sets. He looks 6’2 with LT as well in the pic Viper posted. As he also does in the pic that I provided with Vince Young but that goes to support what you said before that his height is all over the place.
Canson said on 19/Mar/18
@Andrea: Vernon isn’t standing as straight as Merriman
Andrea said on 19/Mar/18
Well, if that's only a 4.5 inches difference, then the difference between Vernon and Ladainian is no more than 3.5 inches: Click Here
As for the other picture, if you "see where I'm coming from with Hardwick and Osgood", I don't see how you can say that Shawne looks 6'3 MAX next to Ladainian, considering that he looks no less than 6'3.5 next to Hardwick and Osgood. I mean, a person cannot look two different heights in the SAME PHOTO!
As for the other people you have mentioned, I disagree. He doesn't look as low as 6'2 or even 6'3 with them. The only picture we have with Dexter Manley is this one Click Here and Dexter has a noticeable camera advantage over Shawne, given that the camera is behind is back. I dare anyone to tell any height difference in a picture like that! With Vincent Jackson I agree that he can look closer to 6'3 (not 6'2, though), but again, I think the camera angle is favoring the right side there, so I'm sure the difference between them would be less than how it appears in that photo: Click Here As for Marcellus Willey, I don't think Shawne looks shorter than him: Click Here In that other picture that has been posted Shawne simply doesn't seem to be standing at his tallest and the camera position also seems to be favoring Marcellus's side a bit: Click Here
And I don't agree with your logic that since he may have looked nearer 6'2 than 6'4 in a very few occasions, then 6'2 range is as possible as 6'4. It simply doesn't work this way! A 6'2 range guy can maybe pull off looking 6'3-6'4 in 1 or 2 occasions, but not as often as Shawne does. There are way too many occasions where he looks noticeably taller than 6'2 and your "sometimes photos don't show the real difference" (which, btw, I totally agree with) cannot explain all those photos I have posted. That being said, as always, you're completely entitled to believe what you want, Canson...
As for viper, if you think he's a good poster, good for you. I certainly can't say the same (and I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only one on here who thinks that way). To me, he's just a big joke and I cannot take him seriously. And, to be honest, I don't even believe him when he says that he met Shawne...
viper said on 18/Mar/18
Canson look how big the difference is with 6-3.5 Chris Berman. Yet our Stevie Wonder troll here says it's nothing
Canson said on 18/Mar/18
@Andrea: I can agree that some of the estimates may be a bit off that Viper provides but I don’t think that’s the case with Merriman nor do I think he’s trolling. I think with Merriman he did see him at that height legitimately. Maybe He didn’t stand quite his tallest and possible he’s 6’2 and change but I think Viper provides an honest estimate. It’s not much different from Rampage. Rampage is generous with many of his but I think they’re honest estimates on his part as well. I’ve learned from being here that you just have some people you can’t take seriously (Willes189 comes to mind along with a couple others) that will jump on the bandwagon and say Rampage or someone else is correct on a generous estimate because they themselves are prone to inflating which Willes is himself. But it’s a matter of two different perspectives. Rampage may see the listed heights here and likely assessed around those and it’s no secret Rob has a majority here overlisted. But I have mad respect for Rampage because he simply gives his estimate imho and doesn’t force it on someone. It’s no different with Viper he’s a respectable poster himself. Now In your case, it’s hard for anyone (despite the disagreements we’ve had) to call you a troll because you argue both ways. Some to where the person is listed the way Rob has him like Boris and others where you see them not as tall. You have some though like Goose (a previous poster) Willes and Chris (who only pops up once in a blue moon) and they only inflate people. Chris and Willes make no sense in their arguments either but then Goose only inflates everyone and claims he’s met people and that they’re taller than Rob has them listed always by 2” too. Now those are definitions of trolls there and I can’t say that about Viper
Canson said on 18/Mar/18
@Andrea: I have to disagree. With LT I can see max a 4.5” difference. If LT was in the same boat (morning) he likely would be 5’9.75 or 7/8 at a low which would make Merriman right around what he was measured at the Senior Bowl. One thing I will say is when Viper met him and said not over 6’2 he may not have been standing his tallest but to me at least he does not look as tall as Vernon Davis. I see where you’re coming from with Hardwick and Osgood but at the same time with Dexter Manley and with Vincent Jackson he looks 6’2” range for sure. This is one of those cases where either he really is only 6’2 range or where he doesn’t stand well in some pics. In terms of 6’3 he didn’t measure it but he can look it at times imho such as 184guy And Harry Sachs pointed out in the pic with Marcellus Wiley. But to be fair you could easily have two different pics with the same two people and the height difference could look completely different from one to the other which is something you have to take into account. Meaning just because he looks 6’3.5 or weak 6’4 in some pics, the ones where he looks 6’2 range are equally as credible imho since there is no perfect picture

@Viper: Davis measured that early morning correct. That probably would make him around 6’2.75-6’3 at a low. Maybe he was the case where like Rob mentioned that he could’ve been measured behind others and could’ve come down to 6’3.25 after maybe a couple hours and only gets to 6’3. Usually though, I give the person the benefit of the doubt (outside CH) if they are 6’2.75 at a low I think a 6’3 claim is fair. But I estimated 1-1.5” difference with him. Could be either end but it was at least an inch. Maybe 6’2 7/8 is more likely than 6’2.75 but he looked a much better 6’3 than others who claim that height themselves. I would say that he looked the same next to me as my 6’3 friend who measures 190.3ish in the evening. I would be hard pressed to see a difference with the two. In your case you’re an exception (rare) to the norm. A guy measuring 6’3 isn’t gonna just lose 1cm to 1/2”. They normally lose 3/4 or very least 1/2-3/4” per day. I myself have always lost (since I began measuring to that extent 3 years ago when I came here to CH) 3/4” maybe 2cm. A reliable measurement for me is 195.6-195.9 depending on sleep usually 195.7 lately and 193.7-.9 at night which makes me just a strong 6’4”. Similar to how Christian measures an inch taller and strong 6’5. Both of us have claimed 6’4 1/2 and 6’5 1/2 before because we measured close to that but in reality if we hit the 1/4” mark daily then prob 6’4 and 6’5 are enough. People don’t use 1/2” properly imho. I agree with what he said in that people above 1/4” (maybe 1/3-5/8) probably should claim 1/2”. I only stopped because I got tired of people asking why I even bother with the half (instead of claiming 6’4) or why I don’t just round up to 6’5” or people rounding me up on my behalf. I also have a friend Christians size 1” taller than me that claims 6’5 never the change (he only says 6’5 and change to us in his circle) along with two others 6’6 and 6’7.
Andrea said on 17/Mar/18
Sometimes it is easier to call other people trolls rather than to counter their arguments... In viper's case, it's even funnier, given that he himself is one of the biggest trolls ever in CelebHeights story. And Rob is right. Sometimes there is a fine line between a genuine estimate or a trolling attempt, but it is certainly hard to take seriously a guy who thinks that a 6'2-6'3 Jared Padalecki or a 6'-6'1 Tom Welling are even remotely possible. That alone is certainly enough for me to consider him nothing else than a troll.
Getting back to Shawne, Canson, you keep disregarding the fact that Shawne looks comfortably taller than 6'3.5 measured Nick Hardwick in the same photo (and no more than an inch shorter than 6'4 7/8 measured Kassim Osgood). Let's say for a moment that you're right and that Shawne really looks no more than 6'3 next to Ladainian... How do you explain him looking at least, again to be as conservative as possible, half an inch taller than Nick? If Shawne really was 6'3 flat (that, again, is probably the least likely mark, given his alleged or non-alleged 6'2 4/8 and 6'4 3/8 measurements), that would make Nick no more than 6'2.5, which is certainly a bit hard to believe, considering that we know he was measured at 6'3.5 at one point (and that's not an out of bed measurement). I don't know him, but based on that, I would say that at the very worst he'd drop to around 6'3 flat, which would still put Shawne at no less than 6'3.5!
As for the other picture of Shawne and Ladainian, I can see about 5 inches between them, but again Ladainian is standing closer to the camera than Shawne. Actually, Ladainian's position in that photo is not much different than his position in Vernon's photo and Shawne looks easily taller than how Vernon does next to him, which is not a surprising, considering that that's exactly how he looks in both the pictures I have posted: easily taller than Vernon...
Canson said on 17/Mar/18
@Rob: the Chris guy surely is. Comes on every few months and inflates everyone especially basketball players then even claimed to meet Allen Iverson and put him (consistent with his pattern) at 6’1 barefoot. A guy who claims to be 6’5” wouldn’t mistake a 5’10-5’11 guy (like his coach Larry Brown said) with someone who is 6’1”. Not to mention AI measured 5’11.25 at the pre draft (which looks a bit high imho). I could see a morning measurement like they do about an hour out at 5’11 or maybe 5’11 1/8 which is probably what got rounded up to 5’11.25 since the NBA doesn’t do 1/8” increments and him being 5’10 5/8 maybe at a normal low and slightly less after a 48 minute basketball game (really more like a couple hours of standing).
Canson said on 17/Mar/18
@Andrea: in that pic that Viper posted he looks 6’2” with LT. in the other one I posted maybe a weak 6’3 is the best case like 189-190cm
viper said on 17/Mar/18
Canson 6-3 Vernon Davis is exactly like me. Measured 6-3.2 in the morning and still looked a solid 6-3 to you
viper said on 17/Mar/18
Canson there is a 6-3 range guy I see sometimes and on occasion I feel the same height or even a little taller than him. Other times I feel a little shorter
Canson said on 16/Mar/18
@Viper: I will say this much. I don’t always agree with Andrea but I can tell you that I really have only truly seen two to four people on this site that are truly trolls. There is a poster named Chris who inflated everyone then lies then Willes188 or 189 whatever he calls himself. Then there are a couple other random ones you’ll see maybe. But I definitely don’t put Andrea into that category despite some of the bad blood we had
Editor Rob
There are many trolls in every forum...sometimes there is a fine line between a genuine estimate or a trolling attempt.

Never lose sleep over estimates, mine included.
viper said on 16/Mar/18
Original pic Click Here

Using software to straighten out. Click Here
Canson said on 16/Mar/18
@Viper: well i wasn’t around on this site back in 08 but the same patterns existed then that do today some 10 years later specifically with Vegas, where he accused you of “tailoring your estimate to fit you” yet he does the same even going as far as choosing a pic where the Rock is clearly favored with Ndamukong Suh to make the Rock 6’3”. Then when the better pic of Suh and Rock was posted it became that we could not see ground etc when you actually can and not to mention they are at the same event that the pictures he posted came from as they have the exact same clothes and footwear on.

As far as what you said you meant Dwayne Bowe was 4.5” taller. But with Bowe it’s likely he’s a hair under 6’2” at a low like 6’1.75 or 7/8”. Merriman likely would edge Bowe. But I do see where you’re coming from
Canson said on 16/Mar/18
@Viper: that’s rare you don’t lose much height. Most usually lose 3/4” in our height range. I lose 3/4” myself up to 2cm. As for Merriman and LT after doing more research and looking at the pic it’s abojt 4.5” imho maybe max 5”. And that’s no guarantee LT is still a solid 5’10 afternoon. I can see what Andrea is saying a solid 4” may be a bit off but not by that much. Meaning Merriman technically still looks 6’2” range imho. 6’3” flat would be the most I could conceivably argue in that pic And that’s pushing it
viper said on 16/Mar/18
Canson check this out. 10 years ago on Rocks page people thought LT was 4.5 inches shorter than Merriman Click Here

Also 6-2 Dwayne Bowe looked 4.5 inches shorter than LT
viper said on 15/Mar/18
Lol, please be more obnoxious Andrea.

Canson, can't you easily see 6-3.5 Berman looks much taller.

And sorry Andrea, 6-1-6-2 Tito Ortiz looks about the same as Merriman compared to the interviwer
viper said on 15/Mar/18
I wake between 6-3.25-6-3.5 usually still a flat 6-3 at night. Rare occasions I might dip just a hair under 6-3.
Andrea said on 15/Mar/18
To be fair, Ladainian isn't standing at his tallest either there...
Andrea said on 15/Mar/18
LOL, viper, once again, great quality "evidence"!
What is that clip with that interviewer supposed to prove? The interviewer has a huge camera advantage over Shawne there, so it's impossible to tell any height difference, yet Shawne, according to you, looks no more than 6'1, LOL. You're such a big joke, LMFAO!
And again, you post another picture where Shawne looks noticeably taller than 6'2. In fact, Shawne doesn't look any shorter than how Chris Berman does next to that guy!
Canson said on 15/Mar/18
@Viper: are you just a solid 6’3” or under or are you 6’3” and change? I’m 6’4 and change myself (I usually just say 6’4 now a days since coming on here and seeing as how I come down to 6’4.25 a lot) but 6’4.5 previously. I’m usually 1-2mm over 6’5 when I wake up then 6’4 1/4-1/3 evening at 25 or .3.
Canson said on 15/Mar/18
@Viper: Manley looks 6’3” to be honest. As for Bryant maybe not quite 6’3.5 but 6’3.25 or 6’3 3/8 probably an inch shorter than me. Combines usually run about half inch higher (3/8”-1/2” than normal based on the subset I had previously where Nick Mangold measured 6’3 5/8 vs 6’3 1/4 Vincent Jackson 6’4 3/4 vs 6’4 3/8 Deangelo Williams 5’9 vs 5’8 1/2. And Campbell agree with you same with Dawson could be 6’3.5
Canson said on 15/Mar/18
@Andrea: have to disagree about Vernon only because he doesn’t appear to be standing straight with LT. I could agree 6’2.5 may be low with him (Shawne) but 6’3” flat I can see in my opinion

@Viper: very interesting here regarding Baker Mayfield. His combine was higher than his Senior Bowl due to his late arrival and “private” measurement. One 6’0 3/8 vs 6’0 5/8

Click Here
Andrea said on 14/Mar/18
Canson, I'm not sure about Ladainian, but if he's around 5'10, I wouldn't go with less than 6'3.5 for Shawne there... Again, if he really looked 6'3 MAX next to Ladainian like you say, how do you explain him looking, to be as conservative as possible, AT LEAST half an inch taller than Nick Hardwick and NO MORE than one inch shorter than Kassim Osgood in the SAME PICTURE??? Bear in mind that the first was measured at 6'3.5 and the second at 6'4 7/8. Although you can certainly argue that both those measurements are early measurements and that both of them are shorter than those marks, it is quite hard to believe that they would drop to 6'2.5 MAX and about 6'4 flat at their low respectively (which would be the case if Shawne really was no more than 6'3 there like you say)...
Speaking of Ladainian, here he is with Vernon: Click Here Now, Ladainian may have some camera (and maybe footwear) advantage over Vernon, but I would say that Vernon looks a lot closer to 6'2 than how Shawne does next to the him...
Canson said on 14/Mar/18
@Viper: I honestly don’t believe he’s that tall either. With the measurements etc. they don’t add up to even a weak 6’4. Only thing is that Rob will not adjust him downward without one of the following:

1. Seeing him in person himself. Even then it may not be all the way down to 6’2” flat maybe something more like a Michael Phelps listing if he’s not sure. Rob plays it safe. He may only be 6’2 or 6’2 1/8 Rob may not be 100% certain and drop him to 6’2.5 or maybe 190cm even at that if he isn’t. That’s sort of what he did with Rick Fox he didn’t drop him even after him next to Kobe being barely taller than him (not enough for an inch or 3cm). Fox is still 6’6” today here even after saying 6’5 while actin 6’7” while ballin. He’s definitely not full 6’6” and maybe never was. May have always been 6’5.5 as KROC said once he was 196-197 when he met him which is how he actually looks. He may be even less today. Rob also mentioned that it’s due to the way Fox is built and doesn’t look as tall walking as Anthony Joshua or other 197 cm guys he sees. AJ has proportions of a guy who is 6’5-6’6 tho.

2. A very reliable clear cut picture that shows him as only looking a certain height. Honestly he would almost have to look 6’2 flat against someone Rob has accurately listed here or a poster that has proven their own measurement otherwise Rob likely would play it safe and list him around a touch above it he has doubts. If you met him again and had a picture with him and Rob could tell your height clearly he would likely agree to an extent. I would likely post the pic if I did but want my privacy as well and don’t want my pic on this site so would have to somehow protect it.

3. Merriman comes out himself and says he is actually only 6’2 then there’s a chance. But even then Rob may not see enough for a flat 6’2” he may go to 6’2.5 or 6’2.25 because there are other occurrences of him looking taller at times. But can agree with you that is also the case with Charles Barkley. Look at the pic with Magic and Barkley with their wives recently. Magic looks much taller physically and Magic also commented on Barkley how did he do that at his size? Barkley was in reality never taller than 6’4 1/2 at his lowest. Most who meet him say 6’4” but maybe that’s what he’s closer to today. And Tyler Mane did that (claimed 6’7”) and after it being pointed out to Rob (along with Ali Baba’s pictures and him being reliably what he claims) was when Rob downgraded him. Even where he is he could be less than 6’7” by a hair next to Ali Baba esp given Ali had been awake longer but it’s much better than where he was listed. Rob even stated that in his peak he likely was closer to 6’8 hence why he listed him 6’8 then reduced to 6’7.5 before arriving at 6’7”.

Any of the above could happen with Merriman but likely until it does, Rob would likely not drop him below maybe 6’3.5 which I can also say is an improvement over the current listing but in terms of the numbers they wouldn’t add up very well from 6’4 3/8 Combine. So even that may be unlikely in the absence of a picture and enough overwhelming evidence to Rob to convince him. But 6’2” is even less likely to happen as Rob very rarely will (in his mind) underlist someone nor will he downgrade 2 full inches without a very high standard (burden of proof). Most celebs here are thought to be overlisted by half inch but there are many that are 1-2” over there actual barefoot height.

I agree that Merriman likely is not that tall even though he can look all over the place.
Vegas said on 14/Mar/18
viper said on 11/Mar/18
When I saw Merriman from a few feet away in 2006 I honestly could have pegged him 6-1 range. He did not look anything over 6-2.

I'm a pretty good judge of height since I pegged Ricky Jackson at 6-1, what he was listed at during the draft.
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You said that height challenger #5 was nowhere near 6'2...
viper said on 14/Mar/18
Chuey with 6-4 Tyler Perry. Click Here

Compare the insane difference with a real 6-4 in Perry between Merriman.
viper said on 14/Mar/18
Chuey Martinez looks 6-3 with 6-3.5 Joel McHale. Click Here

Merriman looks just 6-1 with Chuey.
Click Here
viper said on 13/Mar/18
Merriman looks 6-2 comparing him with 6-3 1/2 Chris Berman Click Here
viper said on 13/Mar/18
Yeah, I'd have to say Lin Dawson and Dexter Manley are the tallest looking 6-3 listed guys out there. Dexter can look gigantic in pics, just physically taller looking than 6-3 Vernon Davis. Lin Dawson looks physically the same as Dexter in the few pics he's in.

I've met Dawson twice so my eyes didn't deceive me twice. If he's just a flat 6-3 he's the tallest looking flat 6-3 guy. Physically looks taller than me and felt taller.
viper said on 13/Mar/18
Martavis I bet is 6-3 1/2.

I think Dexter Manley looks more 6-3 1/2 a lot of the time similar to Lin Dawson

There was a pic of Dexter looking slightly taller than Jason Campbell. Campbell measured 6-4.6 at the combine and 6-4.1 at the senior bowl
Canson said on 13/Mar/18
@Viper: I don’t disagree that he’s 6’2” range. But his height appears all over the place like Andrea said

@Andrea: Tomlinson could be 5’9.75 or 7/8 if that was morning but not sure if it is. so even at “about 5 inches” that puts Merriman (possibly) right where Viper showed his Senior Bowl at 6’2.5. Since 5” is not much different from 4.75 as well. Or could be something more of a weak 6’3 like 6’2.5-.75 up to (potentially) 6’3 perhaps. I don’t see many combine measurements lately past 6am or 7 but not sure with LT. I would say even a best case maybe a solid 5’10 if he was 5’10.25 which prob puts Merriman in the neighborhood of 190 or 191
viper said on 13/Mar/18
Merriman looks 6-1 more than the "6-2 1/2 listed Dwayne Johnson"
viper said on 13/Mar/18
The 6-4 listing here and the 6-4.3 is what Trump would say, FAKE NEWS
Andrea said on 13/Mar/18
I agree, Canson. In fact, that girl saying that Shawne was at least a foot taller than her proves nothing to me. Many people have no idea of how various heights appear in person (especially girls). Plus, we don't even know if she really is as tall as her 5'4 claim or not. The only reason why I posted it was to expose viper's hypocrisy in posting only those estimates (which many times are not even estimates, but just the result of his mental disorder) that are convenient for his 6'2 story. I guarantee you that if she agreed with what viper told her (he was "measured" at 6'2), he would been the first to post it on here!
It's also funny how he even posts photos where, if anything, Shawne looks noticeably taller than 6'2, yet, according to him, he's no more than 6'2 and "it's a shut case", LOL! And I'm talking about this photo Click Here and this photo Click Here . In fact, despite having some camera disadvantage in both of them (which is a classic for viper's photos), you can tell that he's taller than Spencer Johnson and no shorter than Boomer Esiason.
Canson said on 13/Mar/18
@Viper: I can agree with much of your logic to be honest tho when it comes to say combines or senior bowls because something you said really stood out on Rock’s page when you mentioned Aaron Rodgers and Dez and Michael Sam. None of those guys is 6’2” barefoot. Brett Favre clearly edged Rodgers by close to if not a full 1”.
Canson said on 13/Mar/18
@Viper: ahh Birthday Bash! WPGC brings back some good times!!!
Canson said on 13/Mar/18
@Viper and Andrea: “a foot taller” tho can’t really be taken seriously but neither can Shawne appearing shorter than “he’s supposed to”. Sounds to me like she can’t judge height and expected him to be 6’7” or something. I have a friend who is female and 5’5” that told me I looked a foot taller than my 5’7 3/4 wife. When really it’s 8.5” or thereabouts. She swore I was 6’7” until I told her 6’4 1/2 (I’m actually 6’4.25 at a low). Her boyfriend who is friends with us is an honest guy. He said he’s 6’0 and change and she thought he was 6’3 and I told her (when he wasn’t there once that there’s no way). I’m close to 4” taller than him. The topic then came up in front of us and he said himself he’s 6’ and change. He subsequently guessed me at 6’3-6’4 maybe because I was on my feet and could’ve gotten down to flat 6’4” like I have at an extreme low and was wearing a flat pair of shoes at the time which would’ve made me appear 6’3.5 prob to someone wearing 1” footwear. My point is It’s just some people can’t judge height. And this lady saying Shawne is 1’ taller than her could easily be a mistake as could him looking short at his height because even if he’s really 6’4” that is not going to look short to someone her size nor will 6’2 if he’s really that as well. She probably expected Merriman to be a “Giant” lol
viper said on 13/Mar/18
That dude is well under 6-0
viper said on 13/Mar/18
Merriman looks 6-1 with 6-2.7 Spencer Johnson. Click Here
viper said on 13/Mar/18
Canson it's a shut case. It's obvious he looks around 6-2 in those interviews
Andrea said on 13/Mar/18
LOL, poor little viper, you don't even deserve an answer...
Speaking of that guy, Canson, he can certainly look noticeably shorter than his 6'1 claim in some pictures... I agree that the ground doesn't seem uneven in that picture with Marcus Allen, but again why should he say that he looked about as tall as him (when he seems noticeably taller than him)? Hmm... With Marcedes Lewis he doesn't look much under his claim actually, if Marcedes is about 6'6. Maybe more 6'-6'1 rather than a "full 6'1", but I wouldn't have guessed him under that in that picture...
As for James Brown, to be fair, from the few pictures I have seen of him, I'm not sure I would have guessed him as tall as 6'5 (or near it), but probably not over 6'4. In fact, it's not a surprise that he looks so similar to Shawne... As for the other argument, I posted a picture where you can clearly see that Ladainian objectively (I'm sorry, but this can't be an opinion) doesn't even reach Shawne's eyelevel (so at worst it's a 5 good inches difference, although most likely a bit more than that), yet you still say that the same Ladainian may just be a bit below Shawne's eyebrows and that that the difference isn't even 5 inches. Whatever...
Canson said on 12/Mar/18
@Viper: prob not 6’1”.
Canson said on 12/Mar/18
@Viper: I don’t recall calling Andrea a troll. I actually don’t think that he is a troll either. (Andrea is a he btw). I thought was female at first too until Rob mentioned it. I don’t recall Christian calling him one either but maybe (doesn’t seem like Christian to do that). Not sure. Haven’t heard from Christian in a couple weeks tho.
Canson said on 11/Mar/18
@Viper and Andrea: this may be a key. Marcedes Lewis was 6’5 7/8 Senior Bowl (6’6 3/8 combine). How much would you say the difference is with This Joe McClain fellow?

Click Here
Canson said on 11/Mar/18
@Viper: is that actually the same guy that Andrea posted the pic from? But the one thing I’ll say is that Merriman wasn’t standing straight with him so it’s hard to say if Marcus is actually any taller next to him but If that really is him then he is not 6’1” with either of those guys.

Martavis is 6’3” and change if he measured 6’3.75 at the combine. Prob 6’3.25 or 3/8.

@Andrea: not so sure about that. The ground looks the same on that pic with Marcus Allen and Although he said Allen is his height Marcus is clearly taller than him.
Canson said on 11/Mar/18
@Andrea: James was definitely close to 6’5”. I saw him for a moment when I did and he didn’t have great posture but when he stood up straight I felt he was taller than me. Maybe I misjudged but I could say 195cm possibly or if 6’4.5 means he had a footwear advantage and I didn’t notice it. I’m 6’4.25 at a low so 1/4” I wouldn’t notice probably. Now he is 66 now and maybe he’s shrunken and 6’4.5 now but looking at him with Howie Long who I believe is 6’4 and always has been about that he is still taller. One thing I will say is Bobby3342 said his 6’6” dad met Long back in the 80s and said he was 6’4” ish on Long’s page. This was when Rob still had his peak at 6’5” and current 6’4.5. That I never believed and knew he was always about 6’4”. As for LT and Merriman he may be a bit below the top of the eyebrows but not a 5-5.5” difference in my opinion. That may be an instance where he doesn’t look 6’2-6’2.5 or 6’3.5-6’4 but instead a flat 6’3”. I’ve seen pics where he can look 6’3” surprisingly but what you said has Merit because he never measured that instead the other two. I still find the measurement a bit odd tho if he was listed 6’3 at MD (which could be shoes easily as Cam was listed 6’6” at Auburn) but then 6’2.5 and a 6’2” then a 6’4 3/8. The 6’4 3/8 tho should still be 6’3 7/8 or 6’4” if that’s a morning measurement. That’s what makes his height so difficult to pin down because he can look anywhere from 6’2 to a full 6’4” in some pics and it’s his posture that is admittedly not always the best and he is not built like a typical 6’4” guy if he were to really be that tall
viper said on 11/Mar/18
Rudy Gay played a basketball game with Merriman at Big Tiggers celebrity basketball game in Washington DC
Andrea said on 11/Mar/18
Just like you didn't mention this girl who met Shawne and said that he looked at least a foot taller than her (she claims 5'4), despite your try to feed her with your 6'2 "estimate": Click Here 😅
viper said on 11/Mar/18
With 6-2 Ben Leber Click Here
viper said on 11/Mar/18
When I saw Merriman from a few feet away in 2006 I honestly could have pegged him 6-1 range. He did not look anything over 6-2.

I'm a pretty good judge of height since I pegged Ricky Jackson at 6-1, what he was listed at during the draft.

Lin Dawson looked 6-3.5 minimum to me when he's listed at 6-3
viper said on 11/Mar/18
Merriman with 6-4 Boomer Esiason. Click Here
viper said on 11/Mar/18
If that guy was 6-1, which he laughably isn't, looks 5-10ish, he would still be wrong about Allen since he's taller than 6-1. He can't tell height which is obvious
viper said on 11/Mar/18
With 6-1 Darius Philon. Click Here

LMAO this dude is 5-10-11. Wouldn't surprise me If Andrea PM's this guy. We know she's a nutcase
viper said on 11/Mar/18
Sure Andrea, we believe you. Canson and Christian have called you a troll.

He looks the same height as 5-10 Ladanian Tomlinson and 5-10 Reggie Bush.

Allen has 4 inches on him
Andrea said on 11/Mar/18
Well, Canson, you can certainly tell that they are pretty close in height (James Brown and Shawne). If James really is close to 6'5 (which I'm not sure about), Shawne can even look closer to 6'5 than 6'4 there!
And again, I don't see how you can say that Ladainian is up to Shawne's eyebrows, when he clearly is BELOW HIS EYELEVEL: Click Here
And Viper, you're a very funny guy (but we already knew that). First you post pictures of Tim Tebow and Shawne Merriman (on Tebow's page) to prove that Tim can't be over 6'-6'1 because Shawne, in your opinion, is 6'2 (which could be even believable in its madness, given that Merriman generally seems to be at least 1.5 inch taller than him), and then you cherry pick the only picture of them where they can look quite similar for some reason and say that Tim is now 6'2 and that Shawne is the same, LMFAO. As for that guy from Twitter, that picture with Marcus Allen was taken outside, so there's always a chance for some ground difference. In fact, the same guy thought that Marcus was as tall as him, despite that picture: Click Here I don't see you mentioning it, though. I wonder why. Maybe because it's not the kind of answer you were hoping for? 😄
Canson said on 10/Mar/18
@Viper: if he measured 6’4 3/8 he would be 6’3 7/8 or 6’4 as his actual height meaning at a low and like you said would be guessed at 6’5 sometimes especially in shoes
Canson said on 10/Mar/18
@Viper: while I agree with what Andrea said based on how he has measured it would be hard to say 6’3 but in pics he actually can look 6’3. He looks that with AP imho. Maybe not a solid 6’3 but weak. I’d have an easier time giving him that then 6’4. But to be honest he appears 6’2 at times 6’3 at times and close to 6’4 at times. With Magic johnson or Charles Barkley he looks 6’2.5-3
Canson said on 9/Mar/18
The biggest problem with 6’3.5 in addition to not looking it at times is that a guy that measures 6’4 3/8 even an hour out of bed if that early won’t be that short at his low. He would be closer to 6’4”. The only explanation (if he really is that tall somehow) is that the measurement was an error and he’s more like 6’4 1/8 as opposed to 3/8
Canson said on 9/Mar/18
@Andrea: with Osgood he can look more than an inch shorter. At times closer to 2”. Id say 1.5” more or less

I have to disageee as well. LT is up to his eyebrow. Maybe not above it tho.
Canson said on 9/Mar/18
@Andrea: I’ve actually met James Brown and when I did he looked what the article lists him. I figured him maybe 6’5” as he looked a pinch taller than me. Maybe not an inch but at least half. But when I’m 6’4.25-.3 the difference isn’t that much and maybe but 6’4.75 could be right. I gave him the full 6’5” tho as a possibility. As for Merriman and him I can’t tell from that picture
viper said on 9/Mar/18
With a real 6-3 range guy Martavis Bryant. Click Here
viper said on 9/Mar/18
That guy who said he was 6-1 and that Merriman looked inches taller, well here he is with 6-1.75 Marcus Allen. Click Here

Marcus looks taller with him than Merriman does
viper said on 9/Mar/18
New pic with Tebow. Click Here

Tebows flimsy footwear. Click Here

They are both 6-2
viper said on 9/Mar/18
Geno does look physically taller than Shawne. I think you would agree too.

Shawne has never been guessed at 6-5. If he was really 6-4.3 you think he would a bit.

And that tweet with the person saying Merriman is not tall. I'd say it means he's nowhere near 6-4
Canson said on 8/Mar/18
@Viper: wow! That’s like a full 2” when you take into account that measurements are done in the morning means Smith is 6’2” flat. That means the guy add 2”. But In bigger cities like NY and LA people add 2” to themselves and measure in shoes is what I see even in DC they do it. So this guy assessing him probably is counting shoes
Andrea said on 8/Mar/18
I don't know him, but the guy on the left, James Brown, apparently claims to be 6'4.5-6'5: Click Here Click Here
Andrea said on 8/Mar/18
I disagree about it, Canson. As I said, Ladainian doesn't even reach Shawne's eyelevel, so if it really was a 4.5-4.75 difference like you say, that would mean that Shawne's eyelevel is no more than 4 inches, which I highly doubt, considering that the average eyelevel is around 4.5 inches and that taller people tend to have a bigger eyelevel than average. Plus, if that was really the case, it wouldn't add up with how Shawne looks next to the other two tall guys (Kassim and Nick)... In fact, Shawne looks at least, being conservative, around half an inch taller than Nick, who was measured at 6'3.5 (and no more than one inch shorter than Kassim). So even if you assume that that 6'3.5 measurement was taken very early in the morning and that he's more around 6'3 at his low, that still would put Shawne at NO LESS than 6'3.5 there!
Sandy Cowell said on 8/Mar/18
@ Andrea - OK then, Andrea, my next estimate for Shawnie will go up a bit, by how much, I have yet to decide! 😉

I thoroughly enjoyed your reply to mine, and it was one that required a little chewing over before I made any attempt to follow it up!

Let's just say it was eloquant, passionate people like you, coupled with the warmth and enthusiasm of Rob himself, that first attracted me to this website! I only wanted to find out the height of Patricia Arquette, but I found the arguments so entertaining to read that I hung about. Then there was a mysterious Italian who wrote English like it was his Mother Tongue! Reminding me very much of everything my German Mum told me about how well English is taught in schools overseas, I just had to write to you and you gave me a lovely, kind reply, and I did wonder if, to say such beautiful and sweet things, you might be a girl, as I knew pretty well that Andrea is commonly a boy's name in Italy!

It is people like you that enrich the site, and certainly in my case, feed my interest in how people from other countries tick, which has been laid bare to me like an open book: we all think alike and isn't it absolutely wonderful then, that we can have contributions from all over the World, making Celebheights the thought-provoking, visually arresting site it is today!

Very Best Wishes Andrea!
Sandy Cowell
viper said on 7/Mar/18
This guy thinks 6-2.3 measured Geno Smith is at least 6-4. Click Here
Canson said on 7/Mar/18
@Andrea: looks to me to be less than 5”. Maybe it’s over 4” but more like 4.5-.75 possible. LT could dip under 5’10 as well depending on when it occurred (morning or afternoon) but if he doesn’t it isn’t by much. Maybe 3/4 or 7/8. This puts Merriman right around 6’2.5 imho if that’s the case. I actually can see him above a flat 6’2” more like 6’2-6’2.5 zone
Canson said on 7/Mar/18
@Viper: my bad on the last post. Peterson prob is 6’1” flat or 6’1 1/8” at his lowest. Merriman is at least 1” taller if not a bit more. That pic he can look 6’2.5 maybe 6’3
Canson said on 7/Mar/18
@Viper: Merriman is not shorter than Peterson in that picture
viper said on 6/Mar/18
For comparison sake here is 6-2.4 measured Latavius Murray with 6-1 Peterson. Click Here
Canson said on 6/Mar/18
@Viper:

I think that’s an honest estimate from Gay. And if Gay is 6’7” or even a little under possibly it likely means Merriman looked 6’2 range at least to him
viper said on 6/Mar/18
This person is very dissapointed Merrriman is not his listed 6-4. Click Here
Andrea said on 6/Mar/18
LOL, Sandy. You're so kind... Too kind! Actually, it didn't take make me that much to submit that comment because I simply recapped what I had already said and posted before, after seeing you commenting and offering Shawne the only mark that you can safely rule out for the reasons I have outlined. That's all! 😉
Wait a minute, though... Did you just say that you will DOWNGRADE him (so I presume give him even less than your recent 6'3 vote)??? After everything I have posted? 😡😡😡
I'm just kidding, of course. As I said, I don't really care about the Average Guess (and I myself have never ever submitted a vote, in fact). Mainly because of the "Average Quality" of the posters on this site. In fact, there will always be the haters/downgraders who will vote as low as possible, the fanboys/upgraders who will vote as high as possible and those who vote without even taking a look at various celebrities, probably based only on celebrities' names and face shapes. I have even seen some people saying that they voted some celebrities 1-2 inches taller than their real guesses just to balance the Average Guess because, in their opinion, it was "too low". This speaks a lot about the reliability of a system like this! Let's just say that quality is more important than quantity to me, meaning that what certain posters (the few ones that I really appreciate and esteem) say/think is a lot more important than the Average Guess, to me.
That being said, thank you again for your sweet words and... see you soon, Sandy! 😊
Andrea said on 6/Mar/18
I doubt he looks only 4 inches taller than Ladainian there, considering that the same Ladainian doesn't even reach Shawne's eyelevel (which is very likely a bit over your average 4.5 one)... Something like 5.5 inches is quite possible there, but not 4 inches.
And yeah, I did say that his height can really look all over the place at times, but if I have to go with what he looks more often, 6'3.5-6'4 seems a lot more believable than 6'2-6'2.5!
Sandy Cowell said on 5/Mar/18
@ Andrea - You are so funny! I will most definitely be downgrading him next time I cast my vote for him - after all the trouble you went to, that's the very least I can do!
How long did that lot take you? It's going to seem all the more amazing to me because I don't have the knowledge nor the facilities to send off photographic evidence to Rob, more's the pity, and if and when I do, my pictures will be of the sort of 'girlie' celebrity that you might find between the pages of a celebrity magazine rather than of a sportsman.

Absolutely bowled over to hear from you! Thank you so much!

Sandy 😁
viper said on 5/Mar/18
No taller than 6-2 with 6-1 Adrian Peterson. Click Here
viper said on 5/Mar/18
Canson what do you think of Rudy Gay playing ball with him and saying he's 6-2
Canson said on 5/Mar/18
@Andrea: in that pic Ladanian Tomlinson also looks only 4” shorter though. LT is 5’10. Which makes him look around 6’2” at least from my perspective.

But in the pic below Merriman does in fact look closer to what you have him 6’3.5-6’4 next to the two guys to his right at least. Which just shows what you said to Sandy that his height looks “all over the place”.

Click Here
Andrea said on 5/Mar/18
Hey Sandy, actually, you just offered Shawne the only mark that, paradoxically, he CAN'T be... 😀 In fact, he is supposed to have been measured "both" at 6'4 3/8 and 6'2 4/8 (although the latter figure only appeared on one unofficial site, to be fair). So unless both of those measurements are erroneous, he simply can't be 6'3 because 1) if you assume that the true measurement is the 6'4 3/8 one, there's no way he can be as low as 6'3 flat, especially considering that no athlete gets measured directly out of bed and 2) if you assume that the true measurement is the 6-2.4 one, there's no way he can be as high as 6'3 (if anything, he can be shorter than that figure but certainly not taller). This means that he's either 6'2-6'2.5 or 6'3.5-6'4, but not 6'3...
To be honest, I'm still not sure about him because unlike certain other celebrities, his height can really look all over the place at times and he can really look nearer 6'2 than 6'4 in a few pictures. But again, as I have already said, I find it hard to believe that he's really as low as that, considering that he looks noticeably taller than every single athlete who was measured in 6'2 range, such as:
- 6'2 1/8 measured Larry English ( Click Here ): Click Here
- 6'2 4/8 measured Sean Taylor ( Click Here ): Click Here
- 6'2 1/8 measured Mark Sanchez ( Click Here ): Click Here
- 6'2 6/8 measured Melvin Fowler ( Click Here ): Click Here
- 6'2 1/8 measured Jon Condo ( Click Here ): Click Here
- 6'2 6/8 measured (and 6'2.25 listed) Tim Tebow: Click Here Click Here
Just like he looks comfortably taller than every single athlete who was measured in 6'3 range, such as:
- 6'3 2/8 measured Vernon Davis ( Click Here ): Click Here Click Here
- 6'3 1/8 measured Shaun Philips ( Click Here ) : Click Here
- Indirectly with 6'3 1/8 measured Damien Woody ( Click Here ), considering that they both appeared with Boris and that Shawne looks closer in height to Boris than how Damien does: Click Here Click Here
And he can look pretty close in height to 6'4 range guys such as Boris ( Click Here ), Armie Hammer ( Click Here ), Marcellus Wiley ( Click Here ) and 6'4 measured Jared Goff ( Click Here ): Click Here
And Nik, I wouldn't give that much importance to the Average Guess, especially when people like viper are around. He certainly is the kind of poster who would submit several votes under different names to alter it as he pleases... 😜
Andrea said on 5/Mar/18
Yeah, Vegas, although Kassim is standing closer for most of the clip, when they are equidistant from the camera the difference between them doesn't look that much... Here's a decent photo of them I have already posted: Click Here I can see about an inch, but not much more than that and certainly not as much as 2+ inches, which is what you'd expect if Shawne really was somewhere in 6'2 range!
And Canson, to be fair, Shawne looks noticeably taller than 6'2 and actually near enough his 6'4 listing in that picture you have posted ( Click Here), considering that, height-wise, he looks right between Kassim and the guy on the right, Nick Hardwick, who was measured at 6'3 4/8 ( Click Here )...
Sandy Cowell said on 4/Mar/18
@ Canson - Hello again Canson! It's been a while that we've had a chat!

I was directed on to this page by Nik, who thought I might be interested in an ongoing 'argument' about this guy's height, and when I realised you and Andrea were involved, I knew it would make for fun reading!

It'll be a few weeks before I can vote for Shawne again, and next time, I might even give him an extra quarter inch, but being very tall yourself, you will, I imagine, experience greater day-to-day height variations yourself, just like he will!

Cheers Canson! 😊👍
Canson said on 4/Mar/18
@Viper: if that’s the case for Ballage it means he’s rrally only 6’1” or 6’1 1/8 barefoot as the combine is early morning. Yet in college he listed 6’3
Canson said on 4/Mar/18
@Viper: you found the discrepancy between the measurements for this year? I didn’t think the Senior Bowl was held in the afternoon this year. Thought it was in the morning now too.
Nik said on 4/Mar/18
@ Sandy Cowell

Yes, there are some interesting comments made on this site by Canson and Andrea, and now viper has started to give his opinions on here, I like his/her name! I remember you asking on Rob's page about Andrea's gender and a few people, the latest being Bobby, thought that I was a woman!
I knew nothing about Shawne Merriman before going on his page! In terms of his height it may be best to go with the average or near to it, I am thinking of putting my faith in yourself and Canson and going along with 6'3"!

I hope you have a good weekend and my kind regards go to Jim and your family! Thanks for that! Oh, I answered your comment on the page of The Weeknd this morning too!
Nik said on 4/Mar/18
@ Canson

Thanks for that! It is very confusing when the same person looks so much different in height to different people and at different times, why are things so complicated and confusing? I think one thing we can rule out and that is Shawne being the 6'5" that he claims, I think I am leaning towards 6'3" but I dunno!

Cheers!
Canson said on 4/Mar/18
@Sandy Cowell: that’s a happy medium but he can also look it. He can look (at times) 6’2 6’3 and even close to 6’4”. But his pro day was 6’2 range and combine was 6’4 range. I believe the pro day listing
Canson said on 4/Mar/18
@Viper: the interviewer may be shorter that is hard for me to guage but we still have an unknown. At times he looks shorter but doubt 2”. But How tall is the interviewer? He may not be 6’2”? Could be a false claim too on his part.

Now with Osgood, that’s clearly a difference and it isn’t that close. It’s a good 1-2”. Osgood measured 6047 meaning an afternoon measurement would put him 6’4 3/8 or 1/2. So 6’4.5 let’s say Merriman looks no taller than 6’3 with him. 6’2 range is also debatable but not 6’4”
Sandy Cowell said on 3/Mar/18
@ Nik - I quite see what you mean!

I always enjoy reading regulars Canson's and Andrea's offerings, so when there's an argument with a 'viper', thrown in, it is going to make for interesting and entertaining reading!

I have heard of Shawne Merriman, he with the rather jolly name, but I didn't have a clue as to what he did or how tall he is, or might have been if he is old - or unfortunate enough to have suffered height- loss.

I did notice that Italian Andrea was thought to be a lass! I remember writing to him towards the of beginning of my time here and asking him! His reply? "I am a guy!"

In view of my newness to the subject of Mr Shawne Merriman, I am prepared to go with the flow and offer him 6ft3!

Enjoy your weekend Nik and kind regards to your Mum and the rest of your family! 😉
viper said on 3/Mar/18
Lol Vegas. Can you believe he said that Canson
viper said on 3/Mar/18
Maryland player JC Jackson measured 5-9.6 at the combine. He's listed at 6-1. Could be a faulty measurement
viper said on 3/Mar/18
What interview are you looking at Vegas.

If anything Merriman looks a hair slhorter in that interview when they are equal distance
Canson said on 3/Mar/18
@Viper: he does look 6’2” in this pic

Click Here
Canson said on 3/Mar/18
@Nik: this is an example of when Merriman looks 6’2 range. Young being measured at the combine 6’4.75 (morning) would make Merriman no higher than a morning 6’3 or 6’2.75 meaning would put him around 6’2 1/4-1/2 afternoon

Click Here
Canson said on 3/Mar/18
@Nik: admittedly he can look closer to what Andrea says at times. And To be honest I’ve seen just as much evidence that he looks 6’3 as I have 6’2 range or close to 6’4. But seeing guys like Vince Young with him (who measured 6’4.75 in the Morning) that looks 2” difference. Even with Kasim Osgood (6’4 7/8 would make him around 6’4.5) I would not say Merriman is only 0.5” shorter but not anything like 2+ in that video. Looks maybe 1.5”. Again 6’3ish. Merriman being 6’4 3/8 even in the morning if he was measured that early like players in later years have been, still makes no sense when you see him with Vincent Jackson or Vince young. That is even worse if that’s his afternoon height. Viper providing pro day listings tho supports that he’s not that tall either
Canson said on 3/Mar/18
@Nik: admittedly he can look closer to what Andrea says at times. And To be honest I’ve seen just as much evidence that he looks 6’3 as I have 6’2 range or close to 6’4. But seeing guys like Vince Young with him (who measured 6’4.75 in the Morning) that looks 2” difference. Even with Kasim Osgood (6’4 7/8 would make him around 6’4.5) I would not say Merriman is only 0.5” shorter but not anything like 2+ in that video. Looks maybe 1.5”. Again 6’3ish. Merriman being 6’4 3/8 even in the morning if he was measured that early like players in later years have been, still makes no sense when you see him with Vincent Jackson or Vince young.
Canson said on 3/Mar/18
@Vegas: while Merriman can look closer to what Rob has him listed at times he doesn’t look as tall as Osgood. I doubt it’s 2” tho. But surprisingly looks taller than Manning at times. But I think there is evidence of 6’2 range 6’3 range and almost 6’4.
Canson said on 2/Mar/18
@Viper: it’s hard to tell the difference with them but with Vincent Jackson he’s clearly taller than Merriman is. And That’s more than just 3/8” (1cm). Even if there is a slight camera advantage Jackson would still edge him out by well over an inch imho. Jackson shows a 6046 for his combine but his senior bowl was 6043. Now they were drafted different years Merriman 05 Jackson 06. Jackson definitely is a good bit taller than him. Even if he’s favored by a camera angle he’s still taller than Merriman. As far as Castillo it’s hard to pinpoint the difference but he could look taller in that pic. If Castillo measured 6026 at the combine figure 3/8 or 1/2” off that for his actual based on Jackson’s measurement. Some players that year gained 3/8 some 1/2” from the combine being early in the morning based on the analysis I did below and on Boris’s page

@Andrea: with Wiley he looks about 6’3 imho

Click Here

With Shilque Calhoun he doesn’t look over 6’3 but could be less like 6’2.5 prob.

As far as the measurements go based on that I’d argue 6’2 range. My only reasoning from the get go was that there is evidence in both directions because he does look 6’3.5-4 in some of the pics. I ruled out the range at first just because that would be too low for someone who measured that much over 6’4. He could be 6’3 7/8 or at a push 3/4 but that’s still a lot imho. The only possibilities for him being around 6’3.5 if he measured as high as he was supposed to have measured is:

1. What you mentioned Bust a gut
2. His hair could’ve been thicker and been taken into account which could knock another 1/4” off and make more sense
3. Could be a guy at his weight that loses more than average
4. Could be a situation like the one Rob brought up once where the one guy he mentioned being 5111 was written in as 5113 meaning Merriman could’ve been erroneously entered as that instead of 6’4 flat or 6’4 1/8

As far as his measurements go tho that’s crazy that he’s got multiple ones in different ranges like 6043 then 6024 and 6’2 flat. I would expect the NFL to give him the 6’4” for his height since his combine was listed 6’4 3/8. It’s even more convoluted because the NFL has begun to remove some of its combine listings just as the NBA did previously
viper said on 2/Mar/18
Looks like somebody was pretty disappointed Merriman is not his listed 6-4. Click Here
viper said on 2/Mar/18
Canson I just found a big difference between combine and senior bowl this year.

Karen Ballage 6-2.1 senior bowl. 6-1.4 combine
Vegas said on 2/Mar/18
Merriman is at least 2 inches taller than the interviewer in Viper's video.

Speaking of video interviews here is Kassim Osgood (measured 6'4 7/8 barefoot) interviewing Merriman, they look pretty close when equidistant from camera Click Here

Osgood with Peyton Manning, camera moves to same position as Osgood/Merriman interview at 37 seconds Click Here
viper said on 2/Mar/18
Seeing that 6-1.75 isn't out of the question for Merriman.

Quintin Williams looks 6-3
viper said on 2/Mar/18
Merriman is not even 6-2.5

6-2.5 E'twaun Moore clearly looks taller with Quintin Williams then Merriman. Click Here
Click Here

6-2 Merriman Click Here
viper said on 2/Mar/18
There is one instance where I pegged 6-1-6-2 golfer Henrik Stenson at 6-4 at the 2006 Masters. It was strange. I never got real close to him but somehow he was giving off a 6-4 impression following him around some holes.

Then the next time I followed him at the 2012 US Open he just looked 6-2 at most from the same distance. Very strange.

And I'm not the only one who thought he looked much taller. Others have said the same on golf forums
viper said on 2/Mar/18
Speaking of bad estimations of height, Maryland's last football coach was 6-3 comparing him to other measured players.

A poster on the Maryland board pegged him at an insane 6-6!! He saw him at a distance but still. What's more insane is he has a 6-5 brother. So it's crazy he saw him as that. Also he admitted he's 6-1.75
viper said on 2/Mar/18
Canson, don't you agree Castillo looks taller than Merriman.

Something is seriously wrong with Andrea If he can't see that. Or he's trolling. It's strange

Also saying that interviewer is shorter than Merriman and Dwight Freeney is straight up nuts
Nik said on 2/Mar/18
@ Canson

Maybe Rob should have a closer look at Shawne with you and others claiming that he is 6'2" range. I certainly think that many of the 26 voters think this too with the average being just over 6'3", about 50% of the voters think he is sub 6'3" so it has to be taken seriously! I have to be honest in saying that he is not the most convincing 6'4" guy, never mind 6'5"!

Cheers!
Canson said on 2/Mar/18
Looks like the NFL has now followed suit with the NBA with removing its draft measurements or at least blocking them. Several now have a URL that doesn’t go anywhere
Editor Rob

This info should be historically preserved and easily accessed. If an organisation goes to the the lengths of measuring players to 1/8th of an inch, then that data should be freely available for anybody to see.
Andrea said on 2/Mar/18
As I said, I strongly disagree about everything you have said... That's fine, though. You certainly don't have to convince me, just like I don't have to convince you!
Speaking of Wiley, I highly doubt he would be one inch taller than Shawne: Click Here If anything, he looks shorter than Shawne there...
And again, I don't see why you insist with a possible 6'3 listing. Although he can certainly look near that mark at times, funnily enough, 6'3 is a mark you can safely rule out for Shawne (unless you think that both of those two alleged measurements are erroneous of course) because 1) if you assume that the true measurement is the 6'4 3/8 one, there's no way he can be as low as 6'3 flat, especially considering that no athlete gets measured directly out of bed and 2) if you assume that the true measurement is the 6-2.4 one, there's no way he can be as high as 6'3 (if anything, he can be shorter than that figure but certainly not taller). So he's either 6'2-6'2.5 or 6'3.5-6'4, but not 6'3...
Canson said on 2/Mar/18
@Andrea: but on the flip side in many of the pics you posted he does look 192-193cm. Maybe 193 in one of them. His height looks all over the place on this page
Canson said on 2/Mar/18
@Andrea: you and i had a couple major disagreements but I echo the same and said the same on Boris’s page that I don’t believe you are a troll. And You’re also definitely not a downgrader or inflator because I’ve seen you comment both ways.
Canson said on 2/Mar/18
@Andrea: I disagree. Goff does look taller. Same with Davis in the pic Viper posted. Now with the ones you posted maybe they’re closer. As for Shilique, he’s definitely dropping more height than Shawne in the pic. Based on that along with the one with Wiley and Goff Merriman looks at best 6’3” like 184guy and Harry Sachs both said. But I can still see what Viper is saying about 6’2” range as he doesn’t even have an inch on the 6’2” Rock.
Andrea said on 2/Mar/18
Well, Canson, opinions till a certain a point. Those figures are based on how tall all those celebrities look next to Boris (and I've also tried to be conservative), but we've already been there. I certainly don't want to start any discussion about it. Let's just say that I strongly disagree with you...
Just like I disagree with every other thing you said about the other guys. I'm not sure about Jones because I have seen nothing of him, but he seems a bit shorter than Shawne in that clip, so he may well be closer to 6'3 than 6'4, regardless of how tall he looks with Barkley, which again all depends on how tall Barkley really is... As for Goff, I think he looks pretty close to Shawne in that picture, certainly not taller than him. Actually, Shawne's eyelevel and shoulder level appear higher than Jared's there, which, if anything, should suggest that Shawne is the taller one... With Shilique I can certainly see an inch between them, which would put Shawne a lot closer to 6'3 than 6'4 (especially if Shilique's measurement is more a morning one and if he's more around 6'4 flat at his low), but again, I don't think that Shawne is standing at his tallest there... As for Vernon, he does look shorter than Merriman in both pictures (the last one that viper desperately posted on here really proves nothing, considering that it's being shot from a very bad angle, that there is even some tilt in Vernon's favour and that you can't even tell how tall they're standing). How much is arguable, but saying that Vernon looks "physically taller" really makes no sense and honestly sounds a bit delusional...
Canson said on 1/Mar/18
@Viper: that’s how Merriman should look with the Rock was what I was saying meaning if he’s 6’2. They’re likely similar in height. It’s possible Rock may be a hair shorter than him. Ndamukong Suh is 6’3 7/8 (combine) so prob weak 6’4 (maybe 6’3.5) and is still close to 2” taller than him. It’s at least a 4cm diff worst case
Canson said on 1/Mar/18
@Viper: correct. I knew Merriman was a junior but I’m curious because I want to see the disparity between the Senior Bowl and Combine measurements to see if they are as different as 2006’s. In curious as to when the early morning measurements began or if that was going on then. I do know that Chris Cooley on Radio said something to the effect of people measuring 1/2” taller at the combine than they actually are too. And I know a friend that I worked with years back that entered the draft but spent his eligible years on the practice squad and exhausted them. Then I looked at his combine it said 6’5 3/8. And this was in 2001 when he was at the combine. I just looked this up recently. However he mentioned his height and said 6’4 7/8. That can add up but when I look at Peyton Manning he looks his draft height at least when he came in the league looked at least solid 6’5 and still does look about that and Brady looks prob at least a solid 6’4”. Brady and Merriman are down on paper as the same height yet Brady likely is noticeably taller than him.
Andrea said on 1/Mar/18
My reputation? What about it? LOL
Do you want to talk about YOUR reputation? Anybody that truly knows you knows what kind of poster you are, viper. You are just a big joke on this site. Troll downgrader perfectly defines you, I think. It's not a coincidence that you had to use so many different names in the last years to comment on here. In fact, you probably realized that if you had commented under viper (which is the name you're known for), nobody would have taken you seriously... And yeah, I did call Canson the same name ("a big joke") for certain things he said, but, although I'm certainly not the biggest fan of him, I don't think he's either a troll or a downgrader (which is what many people accused him of). You, on the other hand, are both of them.
Again, the interviewer clearly looks shorter than Shawne, despite the huge camera advantage he has over him. If you truly think otherwise, I suggest you to get your eyes tested. In any case, it's impossible to tell any height difference from a clip like that, so I don't even know why you posted it. What kind of evidence is that???
As for that picture with Luis Castillo and Vincent Jackson, I never said that Shawne looks taller than Vincent, but he does look taller than Luis Castillo. How much is harder to say, but again, I think the camera angle is favoring the right side there (so Castillo and Jackson)...
Canson said on 1/Mar/18
@Andrea: Viper has a point with Merriman and Davis. You saw where you thought Merriman was taller but in the pic he provided Davis does look taller and even in the one where he is off to the right he still looks physically taller (lengthwise) than Merriman. I’d say at absolute worst here the differenc with them is too close to call as you may have one where Merriman edges him and Viper where Davis looks taller. I think a 6’3” for Merriman may be fair just because he can appear 6’2 6’3 6’4 all. A lot of evidence points to 6’3 surprisingly
Canson said on 1/Mar/18
@Viper: it’s hard to tell for the interviewer but then again not sure how tall he is either meaning is he really 6’2? Andrea has a point that he may look shorter at times but at times they look the same. It appears as if Merriman is looking up but then again they look eye level on other angles.

@Andrea: Jones is def 6’3” maybe 191. Next to Barkley (194-195) he surely isn’t 6’4. As for Castillo tho Merriman looks shorter in another pic to be honest. The pic with Vincent Jackson and him with Merriman they both look taller than Merriman does clearly. It’s just another example of how he can look (to you) 6’4 but to Viper 6’2”. And I agree with Viper because In other pics (including the one with Goff) he does not look almost 6’4”. Goff being morning measured as they do, would be 6’3” range like 6’3.5 or 5/8 and still looks taller than Merriman in the pic. It looks poss an inch but I wouldn’t go less than half (maybe 2cm). Meaning Merriman could look around anywhere 189-190.5 there which is essentially how he
A. Measured Senior Bowl and B. Looks with Shilique Calhoun (6’4 3/8 morning height) there’s at least an inch between them and Calhoun is leaning so likely 1.5” really. Best case 6’3 but could look 6’2.5 tbh.

And Merriman doesn’t look taller than Vernon Davis. In fact Vernon looks “physically” taller when he is off to the right. At best in the other pic Davis is just as tall as Merriman at worst.

As for the comparisons particularly with Boris, those are opinions that you gave Viper. Just like some of what he provided you are his opinions. You just see it differently than he does. I don’t know which of you is right. And not everyone agrees with you and not everyone agrees with him ether. For example with Kobe Bryant, Boris looks at best 6’3.25 maybe. But really just 6’3” because he has an advantage on him with footwear. I am 100% positive that Boris has a footwear advantage in the picture. A canvas shoe only adds at best 3/4” some 5/8” while Boris’s shoe is minimum 1” maybe 1.25”. Basketball shoes and other types of sneaks people play in will add that kind of height. I don’t know exactly what Boris has on but they are either sneaks or boots. A regular sneak is 1” so even 1cm difference puts Boris about 6’3 as that’s 4-4.5cm diff overall. And that’s conservative on Boris’s footwear. That’s a worst case if they’re not higher but a cm diff is the minimum they’d be.

If only a 3cm difference before the footwear Boris could creep up on 6’3 1/8 or 1/4. As for Fox and others Fox was leaning with Boris. And Boris at 6’3 makes sense as Magic is closer to 6’7 as opposed to 6’7.5.

But I actually would think Boris is taller than Merriman. I don’t see Boris noticeably shorter than Davis (within 1/4” of each other or same height to be honest) but I feel Davis would edge Merriman out.
viper said on 1/Mar/18
Yes Andrea, Luis Castillo and Vincent Jackson are shorter lollllllllll

Click Here
viper said on 1/Mar/18
This is unreal. I show evidence that Merriman looks shorter than those guys and Andrea says Im wrong. It's like saying the sky is blue but she says it's black.

Also Andrea, why does 6-5 Chris Doleman look taller than that interviewer yet Merriman and Dwight Freeney look wlay shorter
viper said on 1/Mar/18
Canson, they look the same height.

Click Here
viper said on 1/Mar/18
Andrea that interviewer is clearly taller. Canson agrees with me. I don't know what your deal is.

And lol at calling me a troll with your reputation here
Andrea said on 1/Mar/18
LOL, viper. Shawne is clearly taller than all those guys you have named (Larry English, Shaun Philips, Luis Castillo, Vernon Davis), yet you say that he's shorter than them. And you even have the nerve to say that I am trolling? LMFAO
As for Boris, if he really was 6'3 like you say, that would make Rick Fox no more than 6'4.5, Kim Coates no more than 5'10-5'11 (Rob met him and said that at worst he's 182 range), Magic Johnson no more than 6'6.5, Wayne Brady a weak 5'10, AJ Calloway no more than 6'-6'1 (hence Jared no more than 6'3, but I guess it works for you), Casper Van Dien no more than 5'8 (hence Rob no more than 5'7), Kobe barely over 6'4, Wentworth Miller barely over 5'11 (Rob met him as well and said that he's taller than Big Alex in person), Dennis Haysbert somewhere around 6'2, Chi McBride no more than 6'3, Tyler Perry barely 6'3 and John Cena barely over 5'11, etc. That's not a problem though, right? I'm sure that those figures aren't impossible in your mind! As for Jon Jones, I have seen nothing of him and I just took his listing for granted... I'm not sure about him, but maybe he really is closer to 6'3 than 6'4, considering that he seems a bit shorter than Shawne in that clip!
What about Armie Hammer? Is he what then? 6'2 MAX? He certainly doesn't look any taller than Shawne... And Jared Goff? Another erroneous measurement? I mean, he looks about the same height as Shawne in the picture I have posted...
Canson said on 28/Feb/18
@Rob: to your reply to Viper about Couchscout I see why you’re saying but to be completely honest here and rationale it’s far likely a player will be overlisted than under. And add to it that Merriman has more than one listing (his Pro Day as well) where he is at least listed 6’2” range. So to Viper’s credit he does have a point. Have to remember that money is on the line when they go to the draft and 6’2” is a bit undersized for a lineman (not so much for a linebacker) but definitely is for a defensive lineman.
Canson said on 28/Feb/18
@Andrea: Goff looks taller in that pic with he and Merriman. It may be a full inch to be honest
Canson said on 28/Feb/18
@Viper: that pic where the guy is interviewing him (the very last one) Merriman looks taller. Don’t know how tall the other guy actually is but if Shawne is 6’2 this guy likely isn’t
Canson said on 28/Feb/18
I think at best here I would have to agree with 184guy and Harry Sachs than with a 6’4 measurement. I think the best case he can look is 6’3 or weak 6’3 but I honestly feel 6’2” range
Canson said on 28/Feb/18
@Andrea: the only thing to say for some measurements is there is the possibility of them over measuring as well but don’t know who that would apply to that you listed (other than Shawne imho). But they were most measured in the early AM so deduct 3/8 to 1/2” for most at least. I’m not sure when that began tho (early a.m. measurements for players).
Canson said on 28/Feb/18
@Viper: the picture with Stephen Jackson and Shawne is closer (emphasis on closer) to how Corey Brewer should look (maybe give or take an inch) vs how Shawne would look. but say closer as he’s prob in the pics the closest in height with Brewer. 198 vs 200cm. Brewer I can believe was an afternoon measurement in 2007 the same year as Durant (prior to 2009 when morning began) and he can honestly look a full 6’7” at times to be honest so wouldn’t surprise me if he grew a tad (1/4”).
viper said on 28/Feb/18
Jon Jones and Boris are 6-3 range guys
Canson said on 28/Feb/18
@Andrea: I saw some of the measurements you have down there in response to Viper but Jon Jones is not 6’4” that’s listed height. More likely 6’3 maybe 191cm tops barefoot. That 6’4” is in shoes. As far as what you said Merriman can look taller than some of those guys. Not all imho but at least with the ones he doesn’t look taller than he’s not noticeably shorter either in the ones that you posted. However, Viper also has provided evidence of him being shorter very regularly along with his Senior Bowl listings and others. Now I can see the Buck Williams pic being a bit off because admittedly Merriman is leaning as are maybe one or two others but he does have some decent ones in there as well. At worst they’re no worse than the ones you posted as some of yours show Merriman taller but no shoes etc and some of his show Merriman shorter with same variables. Mine with Young and a couple others are other pics to consider.
Andrea said on 28/Feb/18
LOL at viper, one of the biggest trolls on CelebHeights ever, calling me a troll. I think I've heard it all now! 😂😂😂
Actually, any person that isn't blind (or biased) can see that the interviewer is SHORTER than Merriman, despite the huge camera advantage he has over him. If you can't even see that, how do you expect to be taken seriously on here? Not that it's the only reason why you can't be of course...
viper said on 28/Feb/18
Andrea, why is 6-3 Vernon Davis taller than 6-2 Merriman. Click Here
viper said on 28/Feb/18
Andrea, why does he look 6-1 then not even 6-2 with every measured/listed athlete that's 6-0-6-3 I've posted.

About Terry Crews, why does he look shorter than 6-1.25 senior bowl measured David Garrard Click Here

Why does 6-3.3 senior bowl measured Marcus Spears look taller with Tebow than 6-2 Merriman does. Click Here

Why does 6-2 Merriman look the same height as 6-2 Larry English at a different event and shorter than 6-2.7 Shaun Phillips.

Why does 6-2 Merriman look shorter than 6-2.6 Luis Castillo
viper said on 28/Feb/18
6-1 7/8 Marcus Allen looks 6-4 with 6-0 3/8 Ronnie Lott.

Click Here



That's not the only picture he looks 6-4 either. Yes 6-2 Merriman can look as high as that at times.

Oh yeah, 6-1 7/8 Marcus looks taller than Merriman
viper said on 28/Feb/18
Canson Rock could be barefoot/sandals since it looks like a backstage pic from a wrestling show
viper said on 28/Feb/18
Canson he was never at the senior bowl since he was a junior entering the draft
viper said on 28/Feb/18
Serious question. Is Andrea trolling? Like he's trying to trigger me.


Any person that isn't blind can see that interviewer is taller than Merriman and a little shorter than Doleman. Hell he looks near the same height as 6-0.7 Dwight Freeney

Anyway I showed a better example with the other interviewer
Andrea said on 28/Feb/18
Yeah, Viper. Merriman is 6'2. I admit it. You were right all along! 👍
P.S. One thing, how do you explain him looking noticeably taller than every single athlete who was measured (or is listed) in that 6'2 range (such as 6'2 1/8 measured Larry English, 6'2 4/8 measured Sean Taylor, 6'2 1/8 measured Mark Sanchez, 6'2 6/8 measured Melvin Fowler, 6'2 1/8 measured Jon Condo, 6'2.25 listed (and 6'2.75 measured) Tim Tebow, 6'2.5 listed The Rock, 6'2.25 listed Terry Crews) or him looking comfortably taller than every single athlete that was measured in 6'3 range (such as 6'3 2/8 measured Vernon Davis, 6'3 1/8 measured Shaun Philips and 6'3 1/8 measured Damien Woody) or him looking pretty close in height to 6'4 range guys (such as Boris Kodjoe, Armie Hammer, Jon Jones, Marcellus Wiley and 6'4 measured Jared Goff)? 🤔
Oh wait, they're all overlisted/overmeasured, right? 😊
viper said on 28/Feb/18
Same interviewer with 6-6.75 Corey Brewer. Click Here

Click Here

Looks 5 inches shorter. It all lines up.

Merriman is 6-2. Admit it. All of this and his 6-2 measurements arnt some coincidence.
Canson said on 28/Feb/18
@Viper: and it wouldn’t surprise me if Bennett is sub 6’6” since he was 6’6 1/8 combine. Likely will only be 197cm or 197.5 in the afternoon
Canson said on 28/Feb/18
@Viper: my biggest question is with Vince Young along with the Rock. He is barely taller than the Rock in the picture. But it’s hard to say how much. Also with Young same thing he’s noticeably a couple inches shorter than him. Not to mention with his numbers being different. He is 6043 on one side then 6’2 then 6024. My guess is 6024 was a morning height possibly if he really is only 6’2-2.25. A guy who legit measured 6043 even early morning would still come out around 6’4 afternoon. I myself measure 6’4 1/4-3/8 and am only (slightly and unnoticeable taller than) a flat 6’4 guy if they only come down to 6’4 flat and me only 1/4 that day. Even if Shilique Calhoun comes down to 6’3 7/8 he still is noticeably taller than Merriman (no less than a full inch) which is the only reason I entertain 6’3 possibly but really looks 1.5” if they both straighten up which points to a 6’2 3/8 or 6’2.5 measurement. My point with the 6’3 too was to say that at least it’s a start and looks a lot better than a full 193cm does.

Do you have 2005 Senior Bowl measurements by the way?
Andrea said on 28/Feb/18
Are you serious, viper? What is that clip supposed to prove? The interviewer is standing several inches closer to the camera and it's basically impossible to tell any height difference from that, yet you say that he looks "inches taller than Merriman", which is not even true because, despite the huge camera disadvantage, Shawne still manages to look taller than him (and it's pretty obvious, considering that Shawne is clearly looking down at him when talking during the interview). You see? This is (just) one of the many reasons why you can't be taken seriously on here...
viper said on 28/Feb/18
This 6-2 max interviewer is at least 4 inches shorter than 6-6 Martellus Bennet. Click Here

He looks the same exact height as 6-2 Merriman. Click Here
Canson said on 28/Feb/18
@Nik: still can’t see him being that tall although in fairness both Andrea and Viper and I have all shown him looking different heights. Some 6’3/6’4 or even 6’4 then 6’2 then 6’2/6’3 and 6’3. I have a hard time seeing 6’3-6’4 range but i wouldn’t be surprised if he did end 6’2” range like Viper said as well. Having met Vernon Davis even in the pics Andrea posted he still looks physically taller than Merriman even when he’s off to one angle and disadvantaged
Canson said on 28/Feb/18
@Andrea: but many of the pics that you posted along with the ones he posted only simply support both narratives to be fair. Neither of you has posted a pic that he doesn’t look 6’3/6’4 or in Viper’s case 6’2 range or lower. Which is typical tho for a debate. That’s what people do they make their own arguments

And I’m not using Sarah Spain’s estimate as gospel at all. What I said was that her quote bolstered Suh edging Rock which is a good picture to be fair because we know ground is flat and they are in dress shoes as we have one of them previously at the same event. So that was my actual basis for a 6’1/6’2 Rock.

I do agree that rob is credible but not perfect because nobody is. He is usually within 1/2” when he meets someone but there are some that he’s had to adjust even well after meeting because he’s not certain
viper said on 28/Feb/18
One thing I can say is he is south of 6-3 since he was measured at 6-2
Nik said on 28/Feb/18
@ Canson

One thing I do think is that Shawne is south of 6'5"! I think anywhere from 6'3" - 6'4" is plausible and I am not sure that Rob would have got it so badly wrong in that I can't see him being more than an inch out! I can't see an inch so maybe he is somewhere between the average and Rob's vote, but anywhere!

👍
viper said on 28/Feb/18
Same interviewer with 5-9-5-10 Blair Underwood.

He may just be 6-1 range. Click Here
viper said on 28/Feb/18
This 6-2 interviewer is clearly 4 inches shorter than 6-6 Martellus Bennet Click Here

He's the exact same height as 6-2 Merriman. Click Here
viper said on 28/Feb/18
Andrea, how do you explain this interviewer being shorter than 6-5 Chris Doleman yet inches taller than Merriman.
Click Here

Merriman looks about the same height in comparison to 6-0.7 Dwight Freeney
viper said on 28/Feb/18
Like I said, he looks 6-1 more than the Rock does.

I wish I could find that pic of him where he barely looked 6-1 with perfect posture with 6-6 Jamaal Wilkes.

He looks exactly the same with him as he does with 6-5.5 Omar Benson
Andrea said on 28/Feb/18
Predictable? LOL It's called common sense, Canson. The fact that that guy has a picture with Shawne makes a big difference because we know for a fact that he really met Shawne in person, unlike all the other posters. That being said, I am the first who says that we do not know how good he is at estimating heights, which is what I've always said when you tried to make the same argument with people that we don't know even know if they really met this or that celebrity, so I don't consider it evidence. Now, if Rob met Shawne and said that he looked around that range, it would be a whole other matter, and in that case, I would consider it the definite proof that he's as tall as that because I know how good he is at estimating heights. Unfortunately, I can't say the same for this guy... But you, on the other hand, you can't just cherry pick those (most of the time alleged) meetings that are convenient for your arguments. As I said, it's quite hypocrite and biased. Or you take all of them into consideration or you take none. Speaking of that, you can't just mention Sarah Spain's 6'1-6'2 estimate for The Rock like you did in your last post and disregard any 6'3 and over estimate for him (which I strongly disagree with of course) just because they don't fit with your opinion about his height...
As for Viper, I really can't trust his word nor take him seriously, after all he has said throughout these years. To be honest, I don't even think he really met Shawne, and he probably just said it to make his "estimate" sound more believable. Same thing goes for his "evidence". Although there are certainly a few occasions where Shawne can look closer to 6'2 than 6'4, most of the pictures (and videos) that Viper has posted aren't certainly ideal ones. Or because Shawne has some camera disadvantage or because he's clearly leaning or because they're taken on the street, etc. Does he do it on purpose? I don't know... That being said, there are definitely some (decent) pictures where he looks nowhere near 6'4. I mean, with Donald Trump here I certainly wouldn't have guessed him over 6'3: Click Here
Canson said on 28/Feb/18
@Viper: the only reason I mentioned 6’3” is because we have disparities in the measurements. So felt it’s a fair trade since he really doesn’t look over that mark. We have two at 6’2” then one at 6’4 for the combine then him listed 6’3” at MD and I even saw a 6’4 listing there. I went off pics and imho he is Not over 6’3 but even being 6’2” range would make 6’3 a morning height. Just like Michael Sam where you mentioned it on Rock’s page he isn’t 6’2. His Senior Bowl was early morning at 6’1.5. That’s just logic being that he was deemed to small to be a Defensive End. 6’2 is “a bit Small”. 6’1 is even smaller

But the 6’2 measurements make more sense than 6’4 3/8 because a 6’4 3/8 guy like Tom Brady or Shiloque Calhoun would still look somewhere remotely close to a flat 6’4 and not look 6’2 or less in some pics. Not to mention he is shorter than Shilique Calhoun who measured that. It’s a solid inch miniimum meaning Calhoun would be 6’3 7/8 or 6’4 really.
Canson said on 28/Feb/18
@Andrea: I can’t say that about Viper myself as I’ve never had that type of interaction with him. As far as Merriman tho he does have evidence and he’s met him before as well. Which is why him saying that is understandable. Evidence meaning the listings at 6’2” that have been posted Pro Days and Senior Bowl listings. We only really have the combine supporting him being 6’4”.

But I do want to point two things out. The Goff and Merriman, Goff looks taller by maybe half tho. Goff also is a morning measurement they measure early morning at the combine so 6’4 is likely 6’3 5/8 or 1/2 meaning Merriman looks 6’3” there more than 6’3.5 or 4. With Wiley the pic that 184guy commented on he looked 6’4 and Merriman wasn’t as tall so he looked 6’3 there too. Same with Sean Taylor if that’s early AM taylor would be around 6’2 or 6’2 1/8. And Merriman is not even a full inch taller that’s his hair that gives the allusion.

As far as the Rock goes Suh measured 6’3 7/8 early AM at the combine so I can see what Viper is saying about the Rock looking and appearing 6’1” range as he does with Suh. Remember Sarah Spain from ESPN also said Rock is 6’1/6’2” (Rob put that up on her page). She’s met Rock

But I posted the pics of Rock and Suh below. Ground level is flat in this one and footwear are pretty even

Click Here
Canson said on 28/Feb/18
@Viper and Nick: I can almost see people guessing 6’3” as his height just because most celebs in general are over guesses typically. In addition there is evidence in both directions that he looks close to 6’4 at times but that he’s 6’2” or 6’2.5 at times. So the avg here makes sense. But I have to agree with Viper he’s similar to a Dwyane wade case where he just doesn’t look 6’4” imho
Canson said on 28/Feb/18
@Andrea: Look closely at my post I did not say that. I said it’s no different than those guys meetIng Boris but the difference is that there is a picture to say he met Shawne. But you’re very predictable because that’s exactly what I knew you would say about having a pic. But read closely in my posts back to Viper I actually did say the guy could be 6’1” or close to it if Lance Moore is close to that height. All I said was that its not necessarily evidence that he is 6’3.5-6’4 that was it and it was actually to Viper’s points he made previously not so much directed toward you. It was in reference to him saying that people have met the Rock etc and what he prefaced. Trust me lol. If I were directing it to you (as we saw with our long drawn out debate on Boris’s page I would’ve addressed You).

My point here actually to what Viper said was not about the guy not being the height he claims it’s that he may not have estimated him properly. Meaning evidence wise. You are correct I do use Reddit’s estimates the same way. And calling me a hypocrite tho it works the same for you. Both of us would challenge a post like that if it doesn’t support the argument. You did it with me on Boris’s page so don’t see the difference here. But it can be evidence because yes I do use quotes as evidence as well if I have enough in that same direction. Suffice to say that Merriman has just as many pictures of him looking 6’2/6’3 as there are of him looking 6’3-6’4 like you posted. I’d say it’s about split based on that.

But while he may look like that in your pics, there are probably just as many that Viper has posted along with the ones with Manley Young and others where he does look 6’2” range. Then with Dexter Manley or Vincent Jackson he looks noticeably shorter than 6’4”. As well as with Vince Young. so he doesn’t always look 6’3 or 6’4” range. Even with Vernon Davis I don’t think he looks taller or as tall as Davis to be honest. Maybe one pic similar in height but Merriman is not taller (Davis looks physically taller).
Nik said on 27/Feb/18
@ viper

Well 26 voters and Rob don't agree, but the majority can be wrong!
Canson said on 27/Feb/18
@Viper: it’s not as huge a difference as one would think tho because they’d only be an inch apart in height but it’s possible the other guy is a weak 6’1 and that his brother is a stronger 6’2”. But it’s awfully hard to tell their actual difference between the pics but to be honest it’s not more than 1.5-2” max could just be 1.5”
Canson said on 27/Feb/18
@Viper: so that was the game that I saw him at as well. It was when he was a Pro and was back. I didn’t meet him tho. I was about 100-200 feet or so away and didn’t size him up. I saw him walking at the concession stands while we Were. I took the word for it that he was whatever He was listed perhaps 6’4” as he looked close to me and my 6’3” friend both but that may or may not be the case.

I met Davis another time when I went to a Wizards game I believe and he was right next to me and shook his hand. He’s definitely about 6’3” like he’s listed. We also saw Met Jared Gaither. Well my 6’7” friend did and stood right in front of him and shook his hand. Gaither is actually 6’8” not 6’9”. He had my buddy by an inch that was it. And his pre draft is 6085 early morning so 6’8 1/8 could be right my buddy is 6’7-6’7 1/8 at a low.

Buck Williams by the way I asked about and he said the last time he saw him was maybe 5 years back or so. So you could be right. He said he’s like half inch shorter than him possibly but admitted they’re pretty close. Estimated him 6’6/6’7
Andrea said on 27/Feb/18
That guy guessing Shawne in 6'3.5-6'4 range is not evidence TO ME, to be fair. It is true that he could be shorter than his claim, just like it is true that we don't know how good he is at estimating heights. BUT there is a big difference between him and those posters that you love to always bring up as some kind of evidence, Canson. We know for sure that this guy met Shawne, so at least this time we are talking about something. We certainly can't say the same thing for all the other guys... And it is quite hypocrite and biased to basically disregard it for a guy like you, who gives so much importance to (alleged) meetings and who seems to base almost every estimate on them... Aren't you the same guy who even says that certain celebrities are this or that tall because some people on Reddit claimed that they met them and that they looked this or that height? LOL
Speaking of Shawne, his height is really all over the place... I'd lie if I said that I'm sure about it. But again, although there are definitely some occasions where he can really look closer to 6'2, I find it hard to believe that he really was measured as low as that, given that he easily looks taller than that with way too many people (the majority of whom was measured as well).
I mean, he looks noticeably taller than every single athlete who was measured in 6'2 range:
- With 6'2 1/8 measured Larry English ( Click Here ): Click Here
- With 6'2 4/8 measured Sean Taylor ( Click Here ): Click Here
- With 6'2 1/8 measured Mark Sanchez ( Click Here ): Click Here
- With 6'2 6/8 measured Melvin Fowler ( Click Here ): Click Here
- With 6'2 1/8 measured Jon Condo ( Click Here ): Click Here
And:
- With 6'2.25 listed Tim Tebow (who was supposedly measured at 6'2.75!!!): Click Here Click Here
- With 6'2.5 listed The Rock: Click Here
- With 6'2.25 listed Terry Crews: Click Here
Just like he looks comfortably taller than every single athlete who was measured in 6'3 range:
- With 6'3 2/8 measured Vernon Davis ( Click Here ): Click Here Click Here
- With 6'3 1/8 measured Shaun Philips ( Click Here ): Click Here
- Indirectly with 6'3 1/8 measured Damien Woody ( Click Here ), considering that they both appeared with Boris and that Shawne looks closer in height to Boris than how Damien does: Click Here Click Here
And he can look pretty close in height to 6'4 range guys such as Boris ( Click Here ), Armie Hammer ( Click Here ), Jon Jones ( Click Here ), Marcellus Wiley ( Click Here ) and 6'4 measured Jared Goff ( Click Here ): Click Here
I don't know, knowing Viper he might think that all these guys are 1-2 inches shorter than their listings/measurements :). I'm only half jok... No, I'm not, actually. Everybody knows what kind of funny character he is on this site. He's been doing this for ages. I mean, he's the same guy who says that Terry Crews and Tim Tebow are 6'-6'1, The Rock no more than 6'1, Jared Padalecki 6'2-6'3, Jensen Ackles 5'10-5'11, etc...
viper said on 27/Feb/18
This is on a flat stage with 6-5.1 Nelson Rosario. Click Here

Merriman really only looks 6-1. And Rosario was listed at 6-4 on the UCLA track team
viper said on 27/Feb/18
Merriman looks 6-1 more than Rock does.

6-2 Geno Smith physically looks taller than Merriman does. He looked 6-4 with 6-1 Jay Z
viper said on 27/Feb/18
Andrea, how do you explain that interviewer being shorter than 6-5 Chris Doleman yet has inches on Merriman.

Canson, he's simply not 6-3 since he was measured 6-2 at his pro day. Also the exact 6-2.4 from couchscout.
Editor Rob
But remember on couchscout they had drew brees at 6ft 1.0. He was measured 6ft and only claims to be 6ft.
viper said on 27/Feb/18
Nick Moore is actually 6-1.7, and looks INCHES taller next to his brother than that supposed 6-1 guy with him and Merriman.

I don't know, knowing Andrea he might have coached him to say that :). I'm only half joking
viper said on 27/Feb/18
"Maybe the truth is somewhere between the average vote and the 6'4" quote."

Not when he was measured at 6-2
viper said on 27/Feb/18
Canson It was 2006 when he was at the Maryland Miami game when he was suspended from the chargers
Canson said on 27/Feb/18
@Viper: not sure on Lance Moore. Haven’t seen enough of him really. He’s short next to Brees. If that’s morning he’s probably a weak 5’9” tho still. But that could be a 4” diff like the guy said and he could be 6’0.5 or 6’1”. It still is inconclusive tho as we don’t know if the guy can estimate height properly
Canson said on 27/Feb/18
@Viper: I saw below the same thing below. That is the equivalent to on Boris’s page where Mr. R and bobby3342 along with Bennett claimed to have met Boris and provided their estimates. Only difference with a picture. But The picture here doesn’t show their height difference nor does it validate that the other guy who met Merriman can properly estimate height. I’d say the evidence is just as good as it is if the other guys meeting Boris. And I say that because the pics below that you’ve posted along with the one with Rock and Merriman and Merriman and young and others show that he’s not 192 range. Some of the others Andrea posted show 6’3.5-6’4 or 6’4 that but then some of the others show 6’2 range. Maybe a fair trade here is 6’3
viper said on 26/Feb/18
Some people think Rock looks 6-4-6-5 in person.

I dont think so. I met the Rock a few years back when he was over here doing a show with the WWE, my friend, whos 6'3 stood right next to him for a photo and The Rock had atleast 2 inches on him..


when I met the rock, he sure looked like he was 6'5'', maybe 6'4''

Ditto that...he is 6'4" at minimum. He often trained at the same gym I did in Ft. Lauderdale.
viper said on 26/Feb/18
Lance Moore's 6-2 brother Nick looks wayyyyyyy taller next to him than the other dude. Really hard to buy.

Click Here
Canson said on 26/Feb/18
@Viper: when you met Merriman was it when he was at MD or when after had already been drafted?
Nik said on 26/Feb/18
Maybe the truth is somewhere between the average vote and the 6'4" quote.
viper said on 26/Feb/18
Glenn thought 6-2 Rock was 6-3.5-6-4 in person :D

That guy probably isn't 6-1 nor can he tell height.

6-7 measured Rudy Gay played ball with him and says he's 6-2 Click Here

Merriman didn't deny it in his tweet back.
Canson said on 26/Feb/18
@Viper: after all that I’ve seen the best case for him is 6’2 1/2 imho. Maybe 6’2.25ish is a better look. I also have a friend who met him and placed him 6’2”ish as well. And me having met Davis I would say Davis looks like he could edge him
Canson said on 26/Feb/18
@Viper: Apple measured 6’0 5/8 so could be 6’0 1/4 or 6’0 1/8 at a low but prob not a flat 6’0”. My guess is that Merriman may be stronger 6’2 but nonetheless. Now I wish they still did the Senior Bowl in the afternoon. They don’t anymore measurements are very close now to the combine measurements
viper said on 26/Feb/18
Found another 6-2 listing in a paper. Click Here
viper said on 26/Feb/18
6'2 max with 6'0 Eli Apple. Click Here
viper said on 26/Feb/18
With 5-10 1/4 pro day measured CJ Spiller. Click Here

Looks 6-1.5-6-2
viper said on 26/Feb/18
At 6-3 I look much more taller next to my 6-0 dad than Merriman does with 6-0 hoffman
Canson said on 26/Feb/18
@Viper: I agree with you on the interview. And about shawne himself. Merriman is likely not over 6’2” range. Maybe best case could be 6’2.25 based on how he looks with Davis. Davis in person looked a full 6’3” but that could be a hair over or under (more likely the latter) since 6’3.25 was a confirmed morning height (per what I posted below for the 06 Draft). But a hair under for him prob means 6’2 7/8 at his low. I though I had him by 1-1.5” but taking into account the fact I measure 6’4.25 most days now (may have been a mm or two taller when I met him years back) that puts him almost right at 6’3”
Canson said on 26/Feb/18
@Viper: it may be a case where he’s lost height but my buddy played ball with him years back when he met him (in the 2000s). And when we say a bit under 6’7” prob 6’6.5 may be more like it or 6’6 5/8. My buddy is 6’7 maybe 6’7 1/8. There is even a possibility Buck is 6’6.75 at a low if it’s just a cm difference
Andrea said on 26/Feb/18
Now, this guy really did meet him and he guessed him 6'3.5-6'4 range: Click Here
He himself claims 6'1, which seems quite believable when you see him next to 5'9.25 measured (Click Here) Lance Moore: Click Here
viper said on 25/Feb/18
There is more evidence of Merriman looking 6-1 than Dwayne Johnson. And considering Merriman was measured 6-2 at his pro day, Rob needs to at least bring him down to 6-2 1/2
viper said on 25/Feb/18
Another pic where he looks a tad shorter than 6-2 Matt Kemp Click Here
viper said on 25/Feb/18
If that's true about Buck he must have shrunk a tad. Because he looks a good 6-8 in his high school senior class photo with a 6-2 player who I know, who also went to Maryland to play football. He always looked 6-7 minimum in college and the NBA.
viper said on 25/Feb/18
Canson what do you think of that interview I linked. Looks pretty obvious with what I described.
viper said on 25/Feb/18
Looks shorter than 6-2.7 Shaun Phillips here. Click Here

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