General Height

MatPit said on 10/Jul/25
Yeah I don't know it for a fact that soldiers would be shorter than average. But I wouldn't be surprised if they are a bit shorter nowadays. To be honest I meant it more for young guys, who are born maybe after 1980 roughly. Because there's just the tendency that the higher educated part of population is a bit taller than lower educated part. If you're coming from a wealthier family, you can spend more years for education before getting a salary job. You're also probably taller, because wealth is in line with good and healthy nutrition. Those from less wealthy family might want to spend less for education and have a salary job sooner, become a soldier for example. Maybe soldier's career used to be closer to average level of education back in the day, but not really anymore. But I honestly don't know if soldiers are shorter now, I just wouldn't be surprised if they are. I definitely don't think the difference is big anyway.

I think both of the studies of soldiers/marines are probably close to true average, maybe it's gone slightly up for younger people as the ones in these studies were born before 1990... not much though. And like you said the ethnic makeup matters there too... but to be honest the percentages of ethnicities seem very close to the ones in the whole country. So decent studies for sure, at least for that age group. I'd still like to see a study done with a variety of occupations as well.

MatPit said on 10/Jul/25
@Emil said on 9/Jul/25
Military service is in theory "mandatory" in Sweden, but only 4-7% of men actually go through it. They assign a certain amount of people to do it, and even if you're assigned, it's very easy to avoid it. In Finland it's much more mandatory, as 70-80% of men do it (I'm Finnish) so I don't know if you mixed those. In Finland, if you don't want to do army, you basically need to have a medical reason or then you do 1 year civilian service with very bad salary or... you go to prison for a while (some actually do that lmao). Actually my last official height measurement was in army health check 9 years ago, so they've got nice height data in army here.

ithadtobeyou1924 said on 10/Jul/25
@Emil Mandatory yes, but the majority of those who go through conscription are those who are positively inclined to do military service. Only a minority of every age group are chosen to do the military service, after they've gone through a military inspection called "mönstring". The ones who want to do it nearly always have a burly and stocky build, both the men and the women.

@c-mo 176-177cm
I'm talking about Sweden, not the US. I don't know how it works in America, but I think you are lucky enough to have a completely voluntary conscription, which means that the soldiers there are definitely not the average people.

Siner739 said on 9/Jul/25
I’d say 6’2”-6’4” is probably the ideal height range, at least in the west. I think most men would want to be this height range and also there was a study that found men in this range were most likely to be satisfied with their height. 6’1”-6’5” if you want a broader range but I’d say 6’2”-6’4” is perfect

MatPit said on 9/Jul/25
@avi
Yeah when I think about it more I guess it's actually that we don't really need to be taller after a certain point, and maybe that point is 6'0 - 6'2 or something... Just to reach the point where people perceive you always above average. (and after 6'1 I think they do even if you have a few taller people next to you as in real life people still see that you're above average).

I guess it's that 6'3 - 6'5 can be better sometimes as it stands out nicely, but it's exactly this 'standing out' that can also be a bad thing in other occasions, even if you're healthy and good-looking. Optimally you might want to have an opportunity to blend in better, so that people see better the other things in you than the height. Not that they'd only see the height but sometimes I believe it catches a bit more attention than what the tall person would want to.

And like you said the health and aging -factors and also built environment make sub 6'2" heights on average more optimal as well. So yeah roughly 6'0" - 6'2" could be the zone after all.

CarlosCelebHeights said on 9/Jul/25
Rob, if im 5'6 is this how i would look like next to a 6'3 person, if the tall guy is 6'3 how tall would estimate the other to be? 5'6 like myself?

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MatPit said on 9/Jul/25
@ithadtobeyou1924
Yeah I'm also guessing that soldiers would be a bit shorter than the average of a country. At least in most western countries, don't know about some other regions.

6'0.5king said on 9/Jul/25
Hey rob im curious how tall do you think Cody walker (paul walkers brother) is seeing pictures with him a Paul they look about an inch apart and he looks about the same height as vin diesel (while he’s wearing his 2 inch boots ofc) personally I’d recon he’d be about my height (6’0.5)

c-mo 176-177cm said on 9/Jul/25
@ithadtobeyou1924 and @matpit

why would soldiers be shorter than the average population ? that doesnt make any sense . and what about the other study i linked about the US marine corps personnel ? the average height was almost exactly the same in both studies

175.3 and 175.6

and the average heights of both studies are in line with the average height values for USA anyway . not a big difference

the male subjects in the marines study were 58.7 % whites . the male subjects in the soldiers study were 64.85 % whites . if the studies had only whites in it then the average height would have been 177cm or so . which seems like a very realistic noon height measurement for young white men in usa to me

glouglou237 said on 9/Jul/25
i think 5"10 (178cm) up to 6"2.5 (189.5cm) the stature is very desirable especialy the 184-187.5 zone . You are tall but you're like 3 to 4.5 above average so you stand out but not overly , in an aestetic way . I think much above 6"2.5 like 6"5 or something , it's the point when you start to get a tremendous amount of attention . But here is the thing , the 6"3/6"3.5 ( 191-192) guys they are taller than the 185-187( 6"1./ 6"1.5 ) guys but they don't dwarf them . It's not a brutal height difference . The height is desirable but not very desirable like 184-187 . And it will demand more work on the posture , muscle ect... . Above 6"4 / 193 the height is no more desirable but just "good"up until 203 in my opinion .

MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 9/Jul/25
Ive been to quite a few countries including Spain France America turkey etc and the only place I've felt slightly short was Holland.

Emil said on 9/Jul/25
@ithadtobeyou1924

Military service is mandatory in Sweden as far as I know. So the data should be representative for the younger population as a whole.

Gianni 5' 7 said on 9/Jul/25
Hi Rob

Looking at the fourth picture, if the First guy on the left is listed 188 cm on his E talenta page and the third one is listed 176 cm, how tall could be the guy between them (second on the left)?

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viper said on 8/Jul/25
If you want to reach your full max height try to sleep for 12 hours.

It is funny how "tall" you feel sometimes getting out of bed

ithadtobeyou1924 said on 8/Jul/25
@MatPit If anything, I think the average of soldiers will be shorter than the true average. Conscripts in my country very often look shorter and stockier than most young men I encounter (Sweden)

avi said on 7/Jul/25
@MatPit said on 4/Jul/25

Though it's an interesting perspective, 6'4-6'5.5 or whatever can never be "ideal"
It's just too big.

Agreed maybe 6'1-6'1.5 can and as you say other factors in play too facial looks and proportions

Of course there are some men 6'3-6'5 who can pull off but it's just too huge and as c mo said generally other things come up like face not ideal or proportions off
Assuming "hard to pull off" where a 6'4 guy looks pretty good facial-wise and proportion where legs are not too long and torso as well, as well as neck not too long and isn't a gawky/lanky type yeah that's gonna be more ideal than a 5'6-5'7 with an even better face
But a 6'1-6'2 with those exact same features will in my opinion be more optimal.
To me there's no need for "extra inches" past 6'2 zone and definitely not past 6'3

It's hard to pick one height and say this is 100% ideal
So I have a range of 5'11-6'3 with 6'1-6'2 being that (in most cases) most ideal range

Again assuming face is good and proportions decent (not gangly looking or over muscular or legs too long as some men -6'1-6'2 can tend to have issues building muscle and look lanky)

Also the health factor you said 6'3.5-6'5.5 may be ideal in some cases we'll never will be for aging and optimal health
The maintenance one needs to support their body and inconveniences especially over 6'4-6'5 largely outweigh that if a man 5'10-6'2 let's say
Maybe if you make money being a basketball player or something can see how being very tall is good but even so there's a sweet spot there
Like would you sacrifice your life and longevity to be 6'11 basketball player?
I'd rather be a talented 6'4-6'6 basketball player (average NBA height is about 6'5-6'6)so even with that there's a limit
That poor 7'8 kid is not gonna have a good time when hits 30s

Dean Rhodes said on 7/Jul/25
Rob what do you think the average height of gen z women are? I swear younger women are so much taller! I’d guess average somewhere between 165-169cm?
It says like 160-163 on lots of places but I don’t buy it from what I see when out nowadays!

6'0.5king said on 7/Jul/25
Here’s my opinion of heights of cookie verse characters
Cookie king - 5’11.5 (has claimed 5’11.5 and 6’0 on a few occasions)
Vexbolts - 5’11 5/8 (claimed 6’1 and 6’2 but looks about the same if not just slightly edges cookie king)
Sam Zia - 5’11 1/4 (claims 6’1 but is a bit shorter than cookie king)
Powenvy- 5’7.5 (claims 5’9 but vexbolts has a solid 4 inches on him)
Santa Cruz - 5’6.5 (claimed 5’8 and 5’9 on a few occasions but constantly gets towered over people like vexbolts and cookie king and is a solid inch shorter than powenvy)
Jado506 - 6’1.5 (claims 6’3 but he was maybe an inch taller than Larry wheels who’s a weak 6’1)
Colin myers - 5’10.5 (claims 5’11 and was a solid 4 inches taller than Santa Cruz)
Don the troll - 5’11 (could find what he claims put im giving him a flat 5’11 cause he’s a bit taller than Colin myers and a bit shorter than vexbolts)
Yesloth - 5’9 (has claimed 5’10.5 but was shorter than colin myers by a solid inch or two)
Dillon Latham - 5’6 (has claimed 5’7 and 5’8 and is a bit shorter than Santa Cruz)

MatPit said on 7/Jul/25
Yeah it's kind of harder to believe it immediately when they say that the heights are from a statistical model. But the thing is, they did it because they needed to get also averages for specific ages like 9-year-olds, for which it's understandable that they don't have measurements always. The 19-year-old averages are, in most countries, almost exactly the measured average because for adults they had the measurements available.

Personally I would say that I trust the Lancet study more than the study done with soldiers for a country like USA, because soldiers are not a true representation of the country. You should pick people from various occupations, economic backgrounds etc to get a more accurate average. What is for example the financial background and life experience of someone that decides to become a soldier? I don't know, but it's not the average of the country. I mean the soldiers' average is still definitely interesting and probably not far from the truth, but I'm just saying that most raw average numbers have their flaw too and in a big country like USA I'd trust the Lancet study more because it's based on multiple height-measuring studies.

But for small European countries, I would also rather look at some actual measurements of soldiers, if the Lancet didn't have good measuring data for those. Like you said Bulgaria... if they have wide 95% confience interval in the Excel-file, then yeah it might not be accurate. So I'd look at the 95% values too.

But the thing is, the Lancet study is basically trying to do what we're trying to do here in the comment section, arrive to the best reasonable average with all the data they can find. And they do it for their day job. So for decent size countries, I wouldn't find a reason to deny them. Though for sure, feels nicer to see raw data sometimes.

chad michaels said on 7/Jul/25
Hello Rob,
How tall does Mats Hummels look if the woman on the left (Nicola Cavanis) is 5’9?
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c-mo 176-177cm said on 6/Jul/25
@matpit

if it is not measured data it is not much worth for me to be honest . it is still nice to look at but i will rather believe the 2 studies i have linked . i wish i could find such studies also for european countries

Ziren said on 6/Jul/25
what do yall think is a height where you start to stand out and people view you as a tall guy always?

Emil said on 6/Jul/25
@Rob

I've noticed that on days where I've slept poorly - after a night out, less than 6 hours of sleep, etc., that I reach my evening lower much quicker than usual. It can take 2-3 hours, if I go for a walk for instance.

On those days, I also wake up at around 185 cm flat; then get down to 183.5-.7 rather quickly. After a good night's sleep I clear 186 cm by a bit, then dip below 185 after 1-2 hours, then dip below 184 after 7-8 hours, my evening low is 183.5-.7 and my extreme low (after a workout) is usually 183.2 cm.

Do you think it's the lack of sleep that makes us shrink quicker or is it because of a lower "out of bed" height that we can get down to our evening low rather quickly?

MatPit said on 5/Jul/25
@c-mo
The heights are actually not averages of measured data, but they are based on a statistical model that uses large amount of measured data and somehow interprets how the heights should be at different ages. But I mean it gets pretty accurate because it relys on the actual measurements whenever they're available. I also feel that it's kind of more convincing to see just average of measured data, but this should get close to the truth. I guess they had to do it that way to get all the ages for all countries for different years.

But anyway, I'd say that it's probably pretty accurate for large countries like USA and large regions like "High income western countries" because they have more actual measurement data to get the averages. You can also see this in the 95% confidence interval that is shown in the columns next to the mean, for USA the lower and upper 95% intervals are only less than 1cm away from the average. For a smaller country like Greece they are almost 2cm away from the average, so yeah for Greece it's less accurate. I was actually also surprised about Greece when I saw it, I initially thought it to be around 176-177cm area... But when I think about it, the young Greek guys that I've met in my uni are actually not short at all. The Rural vs Urban study published in Nature also gave Greece 179 - 180 both urban and rural ...oddly tall. I'm not so surprised about the northern Europe and Balkan though...

Gianni 5' 7 said on 5/Jul/25
@MatPit

I live in North Italy, where the average height of young people is supposed to be closer to the french and british ones. And yet I'm quite sure that, under a stadiometer, there would be more guys who are sub 5ft8 than 6ft and more. It's certainly true that southern italians are shorter, but I can't see a big gap when we talk about gen Z. Overall, I strongly believe that the average height of young north italians is in the 5ft9.25-5 range (afternoon height). As for the south, I would consider half a inch less than that mark, maybe even a full inch for sardinians (I mean, it's certainly not a representative sample, but I know 8 young sardinian men and 5 of them are shorter than me, even if at 5ft7 I'm kinda short!). Having been interested in height for years, I'm quite sure that my conclusions are close to the truth

c-mo 176-177cm said on 4/Jul/25
@matpit

thanks for sharing mate

are the heights measured ? is it measured data ?

many average height values seem pretty high . for example greece at 179.259 cm seems quite high and surprises me. at the same time 174.16 cm for bulgaria is surprisingly low

it seems that for north europe (including parts of central europe . especially ethnic groups that are ethnically "north european" like like germans ) and part of balkans the average height for a young man is around 180 - 181cm evening height

that is a very high average

avi said on 4/Jul/25
@Darksol64 said on 3/Jul/25

That seems to be the case
6'3-6'4 to really start feeling big
And if lot of 6'0-6'1 guys around to feel big then need 6'5-6'6

The goal I think is not to tower it's just to see what height best gives you enough of a solid tall feeling while not looking like overgrown or freakish
or sacrificing ones health and optimal living l
If the goal is to tower then.yeah probably 6'4+
As at that point you are half a foot taller than average 5'10 guys
And though you won't tower 5'11.5-6'1 guys you still are a good bit taller
6'0 guy struggles to each eyebrow area (on average assuming 6'4 has normally top of the head to eyebrow distance to 3.9-4.2 inches)
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6'6-6'7 be a classic towering height but it comes at a huge cost to the body
Honestly a guy 6'3+ always be labeled the tall guy especially if built where can look even taller so it gets old pretty quick

To C mo's point I think it does matter that at a weak 6'2 you have other guys eye to eye or some random 6'5 guy makes you feel small

I get into to my periods of obsession on this and constantly need to revalidate my height as I feel like "crap I can't be 5'11.8-6'0 if I see these guys 2-3 inches taller quite frequently "
Or
"So and so doesn't look that tall and is around my height is this how I look cause it looks barely 5'11"
Or
"That guy is short he's 5'6 but I don't feel AS tall as I should next to him"

So it's the old compare to others drives me crazy

That's good you're not as obsessed about it

Did you just stop focusing on it altogether or just severely limit?

I feel once you notice heights and get into it it's so hard to not let it come up every second

avi said on 4/Jul/25
@Mike190

That is interesting.

In that case it seems you probably got your expected height or at worst within an inch.

My parents peak 5'1.5-5'1.75 for my mom and my dad was a solidly 5'9 but got down to 5'8 now in his 70s but even 15 yrs again he was 5'8.6-5'8.7 at most he had some health issues last 20 years so "losing" maybe 1.2 inches is not bad
I really don't think he was over 5'9.25 peak
He was a guy who grew to his final height by 16 I think he grew pretty fast.
Your uncles were pretty tall so you probably got it from them
And you have tall females as well it seems


My maternal uncle is also 5'9 and change peak
My paternal ones I was told some 5'11-6'2 even one around 6'3 but that's like 3rd hand info from my grandma.
My paternal grandfather was 5'10.5-5'11 range so maybe I got height from him. He probably was close to his potential as he was from a middle class family

Most women in my family under 5'4 5'2-5'3 is the average
My maternal grandfather is under average



I will say about your peers that may not be able to tell just because you were same height in 3rd grade as some classmate may not grow same height
For the most part the people who were 2-3 inches taller than me (not many) have been that way since
One kid was 6'3 by end of high school he was maybe 2-2.5 taller than me in 5th grade
By 12th grade was almost 5 inches taller than me
So it depends
Other kids were always big and I outgrew
Some were small then caught up

I think for me at around 6'0 with my parents and family history I hit my potential or surpassed maybe a 5'7-5'10 expectation

I was predicted based on age 2 to be 6'1.5 (I was 36.75 inches age 2 so double it for a rudimentary estimation)
But if you use the formula solely based on parents height I come out to like 5'8

so you actually conform to the formula as 67+77 then divide that by 2 and ADD 2.5 inches you get 74.5 which is basically what you got.

Not sure what your height is at age 2 if you have your Dr records can multiply by 2 to see if you come out with 6'2-6'3

MatPit said on 4/Jul/25
It seems like many of you guys end up at 6'0" - 6'2" when thinking about an ideal height, and I kind of agree as I would say 6'1" - 6'1.5". But I hear some of you using arguments like "if you're taller, it's likely that facial aesthetics are not the best", which I think is true. But it makes me think that isn't there then also another ideal, which would be for such case when everything else about the person is ideal too? Because what I think is that there could be an "easiest to pull off" -ideal, which I'd put around 6'1" - 6'1.5". Meaning you're likely to be aesthetically good otherwise too with proportions and face, and also if you don't work out you won't look too lanky or overall big either. Just easiest to pull off.

But then I'd say a height like 6'3.5" - 6'5.5" is kind of even better than 6'1" in the case that you have aesthetic face and also take good care of your health and are about 17-40 years old. It would be harder to maintain the attractiveness with this height and more rare to pull it off, but if you do it's better than 6'1" and if you don't, you'd be better if you could scale yourself down to 6'1". Heights above 6'5.5" in my opinion can't be ideal anyway as then the impracticality reaches a different level and you just don't "need" the extra inches to anything.

So what do you guys think of this idea of two ideals: "easiest to pull off" and "hard to pull off"? Or do you think it's just unnecessary to be massive like 6'4"?

MatPit said on 4/Jul/25
@Gianni 5' 7
Yeah a 4cm difference does sound kind of large between Italy and France. What part of Italy do you live in? I just have heard that there's a somewhat notable difference between northern and southern Italians northerns being taller and southern plus especially Sardinians being shorter... Maybe you've travelled to areas in UK and France where the average height is below their national average? At least in UK countryside people are 1cm taller than urban people according to a Nature study, in Italy and France it was a bit to opposite direction... But yeah Nature gave just 2.3cm between Italy and Fance so I don't know... I guess it's tricky to calculate an average in a country where there's notable regional differences.

Bis said on 4/Jul/25
Hey @Rob would you say the average heights for Adult Gen Z in UK are 5’11 (males) and 5’6 (females) around lunch time? Also what tall heights would you consider the cutoff point for both sexes to become uncommon?

BZ said on 4/Jul/25
Hi Rob,
I measure 194 cm in the morning and drop to 191 cm at night.
What height would you list me as 6’3”, 6’3.25”, 6’3.5”, or 6’3.75”?

Thanks.

avi said on 3/Jul/25
@Kevin 6'0.25 said on 2/Jul/25

Totally agreed 5'11.5-6'0.5 zone is I feel a similar situation
It's an odd place because definitely not short and definitely over average and sometimes even "tall"
But tall? Not solidly tall like 6'1.5 I think starts to be

The guys you saw maybe still inch shorter or so as it's hard to determine sometimes when someone feels same or taller they actually may be touch shorter due to eye level and judging top of head properly.
but yeah I know what you mean
I see some people my height or within a half inch and then even inch taller and am like "eh that not that tall"
And it feels underwhelming and disappointing
I think we both overestimate how tall 6'0 is
It's just not that big
And at that height won't be MUCH taller than most men
Need to be 6'2 to really start feeling taller
I feel my perception of what 5'11.5-6'0.5 is , is what 6'2 actually is
When I was young I always wanted to be 6'0-6'1 sometimes I even thought 6'0 max because I thought it be too tall being over it.
Nope.
Now that I'm actually about 6'0 it's not what it's cracked up to be

But to c mo's point who cares if someone 6'3-6'4 is taller and you feel decently small next to them?
Proportions,face, build and other things more important
But I think you hit the nail on the head
If one thinks 6'0 is going to be like taller than most or what 6'2 may really be then going to oversell their height and not feel as tall as what their expectations may be

avi said on 3/Jul/25
@c-mo 176-177cm said on 1/Jul/25

Yes I agree with a lot of points

Not sure Davinci had 5'11 as the model height couldn't find anything online but
the 180cm you mention as being possibly perfect is not that uncommon of an opinion
Models generally between 5'11-6'3
And there was a UK study i think where 5'11 was the ideal height for men and around 5'6 for women

I think 6'1 zone is probably the best

When you describe 184cm which is basically 6'0 it's the same for 6'1

However 187 (almost 6'2) I can definitely see where it can get a little bit too "long" a legit 6'2 can give off lanky appearance especially if thin and proportions not good
Had a coworker family member visit and he was 6'2 maybe 6'2.5 face not good and lanky built looked 6'3-6'4 to someone who not too aware of heights
So he looked gangly not a good look
I'll have to look out more and see if I can spot a correlation of men over 6'0.5- 6'1 like this

So when you make the claims about facial aesthetics having a negative correlation with height I agree somewhat but I don't know if it's THAT prevalent as you may suggest at least not for men 6'1-6'3.5

I do think there's something to it wonder if any research done on it
Probably not much as it can be a contentious thing in stating taller men on average have bad looking faces lol

I don't think at 182-184cm it's as "likely"
Maybe 6'2-6'3 it gets more prominent
My theory some of these guys 6'3-6'4+ have excessive HgH secreated throughout puberty/their life and it went to their faces
Not saying they have undiagnosed growth condition but due to their makeup and effects of HgH can effect face

Feel like 5'11-6'1 not really the case


Also I'm glad you feel solid at your height of 5'9 range that's awesome even Germany
I can't speak to your experience but i was in Poland and I guess I felt ok at 5'11.5-6'0 zone
But remember oti may FEEL that way but that's your perception
I think in Germany average is 5'10.5
Maybe even 5'11 depending where
So really you should see many men 6'0-6'3 (well at least fairly often if you go out) so they be 4.5-5 inches taller than you which is a good difference

See for me at roughly 6'0 if someone is around my height or 1-2 inches taller instantly doubt the average and feel small
S it's all perception


But remember as we both said before it's NOT only the height it's more factors
like honestly proportions may be more important or as important
Because a short leg 6'3 with long torso not look good nor would overly long legged 6'1 guy
So more isn't better for sure
It's a balance and a limit

You say 184cm I'm saying 186-187cm because at between 6'1-6'2 you're pretty much not going to have many men more than 1-2 inches taller
And you are solidly taller than 5'8.5-5'10 average guys

But as you said: "who cares if you look shortish next to a giant ? your height is still more attractive than his anyway"
Totally agree. That's a neat way to put it as I get caught up sometimes feeling down if someone like 6'4 or something 4.2 inches more than me even if he looks like crap
I have to think more like at least I got a cute face and decent proportions LOL
It's not about "mogging" or being taller than 99% of ppl
It's about the overall makeup of your looks and height is just a part of it

Darksol64 said on 3/Jul/25
@ Kevin 6:

If it makes you feel any better about it I do the same thing and I'm barefoot low height 6 ft 1 and 3/4. Wake up 6 ft 2 1/2.

I'll look at someone, think yeah they're the start of tall but surely I have two inches on them. And then I get close and we are eye to eye I get a little disappointed because their stature is not as impressive as I thought near 6 ft 2 would look and they weren't towering the average guys as much as I thought. I think another illusion is it's easy to think your eye level is above someone's head and actually it isn't - it's easy to get thrown off especially with any distance starting as low as 5 ft for me.

I don't obsess over it so much anymore but I did a few years back. I guess you really need to be a legit 6 ft 4 at your low to really start looking like one of the big guys.

MatPit said on 3/Jul/25
Addition to my last comment. Here: Click Here is a link to data visualizations of the Lancet 2020 study that's more handy for comparisons. Interestingly you can see that for example China has had crazy increase in height seen even between 1995-born and 2000-born adults (1.7cm in men which is a lot in 5 years in so recent years) and 2000-born women in China are already 0.2cm taller than 2000-born women in the US.

Gianni 5' 7 said on 3/Jul/25
@MatPit

Italian young males height in 2019 appears to be 174,5 cm, four cm less than young french and english males. Living in Italy and having been several times in Uk and France, it seems too much a gap to me. From the observations that I've made, at 5 ft7 flat (170 cm on the nose in the afternoon) I'm at 20-22th percentile amongst young italian males, and I would have bet that their average height is no less than 175 and no more than 176 cm. But even when I'm in French or in England, it doesn't seem to me that average height of young people clear the 5ft10 mark. I'd say that young french and british are half a inch taller than young italians, but no more. I'm really skeptical about that 4 cm gap and that makes me wonder about the reliability of the whole Lancet study.

MatPit said on 2/Jul/25
@c-mo 176-177cm
A study published in Lancet 2020 gives an average height of 176.9cm for 19-year-old men in USA in year 2019, which is about 1.5cm above the average of the 2010 study that you linked. Don't know if it's because the soldiers were born earlier than those studied in the Lancet study... the most recent 19-year-old average that the Lancet study gives is for those born in 2000. You can see the data here: Click Here when you go "National" -- "Height" -- "Individual country data" and then you can pick your country to download the Excel-file. I don't know if you guys have already explored these, but I'll give the links in case someone hasn't seen. But it seems like a good study because it's a pooled analysis of 2181 population-based studies worldwide covering 65 million participants. The link to the study itself is here: Click Here
From the first link that I shared you can also choose "Region-Specific data" to see different regions. For example Central and Eastern Europe have average height of 178.3cm for 19-year-old men born in 2000 and "High income western countries 177.7cm, which are close to what you @c-mo 176-177cm estimated to be currently average height for young men in Europe.
You can also choose "Rural & Urban" from the first link to see rural vs urban heights (based on a different study).

Down said on 2/Jul/25
Hello Rob,

If I'm 5ft8, and I wore huge lifts which I believe made me around 5'11 when I measured myself with them on? And I went to see a girl with these lifts, and she was wearing very flat shoes, you can somewhat see them in this image although very low quality: Click Here, they seem to hardly add any height.

And under these circumstances, she was above my eye level for sure, top of her head she came up to about my eyebrow level. How tall would you estimate she is?

Kevin 6'0.25 said on 2/Jul/25
@avi

6'0 can be a weird height in that while it's taller than most (85th percentile in the study c-mo linked), sometimes it just doesn't look that tall. A few days ago I was at a fast food place and stood in line behind a couple guys who were exactly the same height as me. Frankly I was disappointed at how unimpressive their height looked from my viewpoint, because I figured that's how other people must perceive my height.

Also, while in the parking lot I gauged their height while they were walking in and I was still sitting in the car. Even then I remember thinking "they don't look that tall" just to find out they're exactly eye level with me when I walk in there. idk, maybe my expectations for how tall a 6 footer should appear is too high.

A 6'1-6'2 guy will almost always appear noticeably tall. 6'0 not always.

Mike190 said on 2/Jul/25
@c-mo 176-177cm said on 1/Jul/25

Wow maximum height was only 197.5cm out of 1,301 men. Only 3 guys 6ft 5 range. That just shows you how tall a true 6ft 6 is.

Anecdotally that seems a bit off in my experience. 6ft 5 and change would be more of a 1/200 height (99.5th percentile than 1/1000 (99.9th).

On the other end 151.8cm seems very short for a sample of 1,301. I would've thought the shortest guy would be more like 158cm. I can't remember the last time I ran into a young guy under 160cm, it's quite uncommon.

c-mo 176-177cm said on 2/Jul/25
avi said on 1/Jul/25
@c-mo 176-177cm said on 29/Jun/25
@MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 30/Jun/25

Are you guys worried being 6'1.5+ will make you look too lanky or throw off your body in some way proportionally?


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well here's the thing :

many men who are around 187cm are already lanky or have bad body proportions or bad face / head aesthetics . of course there are many men at that height who are not like that and look good ...but there are many where these things do apply

the likelyhood for such things already start somewhere around 182-184cm and becomes more and more likely the taller you get .

for example not long ago i said here that i knew a guy who was around 187cm (if i remember right he told me he is 187cm . but it was 15 years ago . but he was around 187cm either way ) who told me that he is too tall . and he was lanky / gawky

obviously if you have good proportions and a good looking face and good head and face size / proportions etc. then 187cm will look phenomenal . and even with bad proportions it is still better than being below 170cm . but as i said before often for me above ~185cm is not perfect anymore as it becomes "too long" vertically . but still up to 194cm is good and up to 203-204cm is decent IMO

the best looking height in my experience is actually 180cm . if there were no people who are 193cm and taller 180cm would be the perfect height . why do i say this ? because a 180cm man will hold his own next to men up to around 6'4 ( unless there are several guys around you at the same time who all happen to be 6'4 lol ) . but people above that height will dwarf a 180cm guy and 6'3 - 6'4 guys will already be strongly taller than you which will make some situations feel awkward. and another thing is that if you are interested in women who are 173cm or taller at 180cm it might get problematic when they wear their 10cm heels .


those are the "problems" that arguably make 180cm not perfect because from a health and aesthetic point of view 180cm is the best in MY experience and opinion . i am around 176cm in the afternoon/evening and "even" at my height EVEN in germany i feel a very decent height and not short . if i was 3-4cm taller to be around 180cm i would feel even more solid . and there is a reason why leonardo da vinci and vitruvius vitruvian man is suppsoed to be 180cm . it is the most attractive height

but the "problems" i listed above about 180cm are the reason why i view 184cm evening height as the perfect height instead because those 4cm more will erase those "problems" mostly . at 184cm you are above average or a little tall and there will be very very rare situations where 184cm will look or feel shortish or something . and who cares if you look shortish next to a giant ? your height is still more attractive than his anyway

so in conclusion 184cm evening height + good looking face + good body proportions + broad shoulders is the best height you can be

henry cavill comes close to this for example . even though in suits he looks a bit odd especially his legs

Mike190 said on 2/Jul/25
@avi said on 1/Jul/25

I had near ideal conditions from birth until about 12 years old. During puberty my sleep and diet suffered, however I think I ended up catching up in my late teens/early 20s when my habits improved. Based on school photos from kindergarden through to adulthood, my height relative to my peers is largely the same thankfully. The strong 6'5 guy that I mentioned was a good bit taller than me in Grade 2 through 6 when we were in the same class so I think I ended up where I'm supposed to be.

Another thing I should mention is both of my parents are somewhat outliers height wise in their families. My uncles on my fathers side range 6'3-4 and aunts 5'8-10. My uncle on my mothers side is solid 5'9.

My paternal grandfather was 6'2, and maternal grandfather solid 5'7. Both of them grew up during WW2 though so I'm sure that effected their growth. However like I mentioned my maternal uncle had near ideal conditions and "only" grew to 5'9, so there is some shorter height in my family without a doubt.

It's interesting on my mothers side, the men and women are almost the same height. My great-grandmother (Born in the 1910's) was 5'7, my grandfather (born 1930's) solid 5'7 and my mother 5'7.

Kevin 6'0.25 said on 2/Jul/25
@c-mo

Interesting to see how 6'0 is the 85th percentile, and that 5'10 is 99th percentile for women. Anything above the 84th percentile is objectively tall being 1 standard deviation above the average.

A question for everybody, how common are 6'0+ women where you live? I'm in the US and I reckon only 0.1% of women are 6'0+ and 6'2+ is extremely rare.

giohanni said on 2/Jul/25
Hi Rob, I don't own a stadiometer unfortunately, but I can tell you that about 2 hours after waking up I measure exactly 184.8 cm, because when I stand under a doorframe that is this height, I touch it exactly. I'd like to know how I would be listed on your site if I were a celebrity, considering that 2 hours after waking is still quite early...

thanks

Progking185 said on 1/Jul/25
@VijamA your 6'1, those are similar numbers to me I'm like 186.7-187/6'1.5 morning. At worst you'd be listed 6'0.75 here which is basically 6'1 anyway

avi said on 1/Jul/25
@c-mo 176-177cm said on 29/Jun/25
@MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 30/Jun/25


I agree that proportions are a large role as I've stated but 187cm is basically a weak 6'2 aka a strong 6'1.5

I think 6'1 will always be chosen over 6'0

I can say from.being 6'0 it's not that tall
Just went to the bathroom at work and two guys around my range possibly 0.5 taller
And another one not far from 6'2

Feel like nowadays need to be 6'2 to really be considered a solid tall

6'0 or even 5'10.5-5'11 is fine
And even 5'9 zone as it's in average range but it's not going to make you feel that tall

I know 5'11-6'2 is a popular modeling height range for men and there's something to be said about 5'11-6'0 being classic and not overly tall where it's difficult to build muscle or less flexibility and also no higher risk of health issues (slightly higher risk for blood clot and maybe cancer but not anything near to 6'2+ or 6'5+)

So there's definitely that argument it may be overall more ideal especially as age to be more average zone

But to me 6'1-6'2 is the range I think where you get to really where the tall zone
But not over do it

Are you guys worried being 6'1.5+ will make you look too lanky or throw off your body in some way proportionally?

avi said on 1/Jul/25
@Mike190 said on 30/Jun/25

At almost 6'3 and your dad dad 6'5
You mom 5'7
That's about right
Had a friend his dad 6'2 peak maybe 6'1.5 lowest..his mom I think 5'4
he was 5'9.5 zone

My mom peak 5'1.75 probably and my dad peak a good 5'9
I am a hair under 6'0
My sister a bit over 5'3.5

So it depends
Maybe you took after a grandfather
Also I think in in Western world we still can miss an inch or two of height potential due to habits during childhood and teen years
I think the effects are not much
Like if someone has potential to be 6'2 they probably will end up 6'0ish even with some bad habits (diet , lack of sleep , lack of exercise during teen yrs and childhood)

I think you are better off 6'2-6'3 zone than 6'5 or something so be grateful for that

Bo Chow said on 1/Jul/25
Salutations, Rob!

Sorry if this is redundant of my last question a little while back, but since I wake up at 181.9cm/182.05cm, and my shrinkage on average daily is 2cm, what would I be listed at on this site?

5ft 11.25in? 5ft 11in?

As always, thank you!

c-mo 176-177cm said on 1/Jul/25
so what do you all think about the study i linked you ? 4082 us soldiers being measured . scroll down to see my post about it

i have found another study from usa .

2010 ANTHROPOMETRIC SURVEY OF U.S. MARINE CORPS PERSONNEL .

620 females and 1301 males getting measured :

Click Here

average height for males in this study is 175.34cm . 175cm = 50 percentile

the ethnic groups of the males :

58.7 % white of not hispanic descent

9% black of not hispanic descent

13.9 % hispanic

2.6% asian or pacific islander

13.6 % two or more groups (mixed people i guess)

and some minor percentages others


most are males below age 40


here i made 2 screenshots of the results for height :


Click Here

Click Here


so yeah the average height for the 4082 male us soldiers was 175.62cm and in this study it is 175.34cm

i am assuming in both studies they measured them in the morning or noon ...i mean i dont know maybe they measured them later in the day but i can not imagine that to be the case ...why would they measure them in the afternoon let alone evening ?


i think if it was only whites then the average height would be nearer 5'10 in both studies


probably something like 176.5 - 177cm at night . but probably nothing above that


here in germany average height for young men is something around 179 - 180cm at night . north europe and parts of balkans have average heights for young men in the 5'11 - 6'0 range at night . that is really tall for average heights

i would say for europe AS A WHOLE the average height for a young man is probably around 178cm at night

grizz said on 1/Jul/25
@Mike190, unfortunately, it's normal that a son from a tall father (187+ cm) very rarely outgrows his father. If it's a first-born son, then almost certainly never.

So, at very best, with some perfect childhood and adulthood conditions like Ronaldo's son, you might have been 195-196 cm tall.

Mike190 said on 30/Jun/25
Rob, if a father is 196cm and mother is 170cm, what height would you expect their daughter and son to end up?

This is the case in my family, I ended up 190cm and my sister 175cm. Would you say we reached our height potential?

I ask this because I have some acquaintances who are taller than me by a few inches, and yet in alot of cases both of their parents are shorter than mine.

Anecdotally, one thing I've noticed is the height of the mother tends to have more of an effect than the height of the father. All of the very tall men in my highschool cohort (6ft4 and up), have a quite tall mother and above average/tallish father.

The tallest guy in my class of around 200 people was a strong 6ft5, and his mother is about 6ft flat and father "only" 6ft1-2 range. On the contrary I knew a guy whos father is extremely tall at 6ft8 range with a mother who is 4ft11, and he ended up a strong 5ft10.

Mike190 said on 30/Jun/25
@sofar

I'm picking 193cm every day of the week. In all honesty if I had a gun to my head and had to pick a dream height in 5 seconds, I'd say 6ft6. I know its very tall, however at that height I would be certain that I wouldn't regret not picking a taller height. Being too tall is a better problem to have than wanting to be taller. If you're 6ft6 you can wear flats and still be noticeably taller than the average tall 6ft2 guy in airmaxes. You also have the bonus that you will never dip under 6ft even if you live into your 90s or past 100.

ViljamA said on 30/Jun/25
Hi Rob, If I measure 186.8 - 187.2cm out of bed,
185.4cm around 4.5hours after getting up,
184.9 - 185.0cm as an easy day lowest and
184.7cm as a very physical day lowest, how would I be listed on this website? Thank you much.

Gerald S said on 30/Jun/25
Rob, what's your peak estimate on Noam Chomsky?

You previously stated Julian Assange had a good 6 inches on Chomsky, so that would make Chomsky near 5'8" in older age.

simoles said on 30/Jun/25
Hey Rob, my gym has a SECA height stadiometer, and approx 5.5 hours after waking up (1:15pm), I measured 177.7cm in socks. Would you say I have a claim to be 5'10", and how tall would I be right out of bed? 179 range?

labubu said on 30/Jun/25
Hey Rob, do you know about any difference between front facing wall and back facing wall for height measurement differences? I get about 0.5-1cm more when front facing as compared to back facing the wall.

MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 30/Jun/25
@sofar

Id pick 183cm. It's nearly at my ideal height(184cm in the evening) and I wouldn't want to be taller than 6'1 personally.

Orf 5'9 1/2 barefoot said on 30/Jun/25
Hey Rob can you add director Danny Boyle? I think he’s 5’11 flat now and I think 6ft peak. He’s taller than James Franco in this pic. Click Here

bmb said on 30/Jun/25
Rob, by age 50, what is my height generally expected to be? If not, age 60?

Siner739 said on 29/Jun/25
Rob, these are a popular new shoe people are wearing, new balance 9060, what would you estimate on the height it gives?

Click Here

c-mo 176-177cm said on 29/Jun/25
@sofar

i would pick 183cm

100000%

even though if i could keep my body proportions and body frame (shoulder width etc) which i am happy with at 187cm i might think about taking 187 but i think i would still pick 183 over 187 in the end

Emil said on 29/Jun/25
@ithadtobeyou1924

I based that off of the video where Kanvesky measured him at around 186 cm in shoes - but after watching the stadiometer measurements, I'm convinced he's a solid 6'1 guy. Maybe 6'0.75 at a low at worst, but it's hard to imagine any lower than that. I'm not trying to downgrade anybody. All I had to base his height on previously was just the Kanevsky video with his silly tape measurement method lol

And fair enough, I get your point 👍

grizz said on 29/Jun/25
@sofar, given that my parents were at their prime 187 and 177 cm, no chance in hell I'd willingly pick 183.
187 might be the happy medium for all activities.
However, I live in the Balkans, I'd pick the 190 as an insurance policy not to look short when old age creeps in and national average increases with new generations.

ithadtobeyou1924 said on 29/Jun/25
@Emil
Well you said you thought he was around 6ft flat before the measurement video, no? He clearly looks taller than 183cm in my opinion. 185-187cm maybe. I don't have the celebheights mindset, so I don't think downgrading someone is more "accurate" than overestimating someone, which everyone here seems to be afraid to do. It also seems like people here judge heights based mostly off proportions and not how they look relative to others, which is completely silly. A tall person could have more "compressed" proportions than a shorter person due to head-torso ratio, weight and clothes etc. It wasn't any ad honinem personal to you.

Schizo Vision said on 29/Jun/25
People here (including myself) really need to touch grass and stop fighting over millimeters.

The 1/8 listings are unnecessary (I think having a confidence band would be more useful than saying someone is 5’8 1/8 for example)

I’d like to apologize for calling people autists here. My previous aliases: Garrett Thompson, Height Analyzer 2, BasedWhat?, Based Raigeki, among others caused nothing but grief

To those who emailed me: thompsongchess@gmail.com, I, Garrett Arthur Thompson, promise to get back and apologize to each and every one of you. I’m sorry. For all of it. For everything.

Rob, at my behest; please ban me from commenting or creating any more accounts from my IP address - thank you

Schizo Vision said on 29/Jun/25
Where’s a good place to sell an unopened Seca 213 stadiometer? I bought one but realized I don’t need it anymore and never unboxed it

Schizo Vision said on 29/Jun/25
For people looking to height max with lifts I’ve found the optimal combo:

Nike AM 720 or 2090 (4.1 cm) + the lowest level lifts that give 1.7-1.8 cm which effectively give close to 6 cm - surpassing most elevator shoes

A more comfortable alternative would be the NB2090 or 990 series - which I wish Rob would review

Schizo Vision said on 29/Jun/25
30 hours? You were 100% at an absolute low. No doubt you’re a strong 6’ or weak 6’1. Most people would claim 6’1

sofar said on 28/Jun/25
If you guys had to choose, which height would you pick: 183, 187, 190, or 193 cm?

Gerald S said on 28/Jun/25
Rob, what range might Cleo Laine have peaked at?

Obviously on the shorter side, but I’m having difficulty deciding on Cleo’s peak range.

Emil said on 28/Jun/25
@ithadtobeyou1924

I'm just keeping an open mind. And I never said there's a chance Cbum is 6 flat lol. I think he's somewhere between 6'0.75 - 6'1.25 around lunch time on a regular day. Personally, I believe he'd linger around 6'1-6'1 1/8.

I don't think his stadiometer measuremtns are rigged - but I do belive he's close to his out of bed height.

Would appreciate a more civil tone, buddy. No need to throw ad hominems

scofield said on 28/Jun/25
Hi Big Rob,
Every morning I wake up very close to 186 cm, sometimes even hitting it, but I’d say more like 185.8 cm to be safe and honest. By the evening, just before bed, I measure exactly 184 cm, sometimes 183.8 cm—let’s say between 183.8 and 184 cm.

During the first two hours after waking up, I’m around 185 cm. From the third hour onwards, the drop begins.

With these precise stats, what height do you think I should claim to people or friends?

Emil said on 27/Jun/25
@ithadtobeyou1924

I'd go with your stadiometer measurements if I were you. I was measured 183.5 cm in a hospital recently, after having been awake for 30 hours lol. I hadnt done much physical stuff, though, but I think I was close to an absolute low

Dave5ft7ish said on 27/Jun/25
@EditorRob If my height drops down to just below 5'7.25 on my worst day(170.6cm) and
If I'm staying all home all day, I think I measure around 171cm easy at the end of the day, (although sometimes I do feel it's right at 5'7.25 at night if I move around a bit throughout the day)



What would I be listed as on Celebheights? At 5'7"? Would I and Tom Cruise have a noticable difference? I just wonder, at what point does the height difference begin to show.

ithadtobeyou1924 said on 27/Jun/25
@Emil
To be honest, the 6ft flat estimation was kind of ridiculous too. Very celebheights of you. 6'0.75 is unlikely too, given his 6'1.5 measurement. 6'1 in the evening after a long day is possible I suppose, but more likely slightly over it, if we are actually talking about what he would measure at a stadiometer and not the "vibes" his body proportions give off.

Drewy said on 26/Jun/25
Hey Rob, Guys who are listed 5’11 3/4 on this site like drake, William Fichtner, Christian Bale, and 50 cent. What would there low heights be in the evening for them? 5’11 1/2 roughly?

ithadtobeyou1924 said on 26/Jun/25
ithadtobeyou1924 said on 25/Jun/25
In order to estimate what I'd be listed at here if I were a celebrity, is measuring myself barefeet a stadiometer in the evening, then substracting 3cm from that number a good thumb of rule?
Editor Rob
If a celebrity sends me a height they measured alongside a 3-figure donation, they get listed at that.
A 4-figure donation would guarantee an extra inch 😗 However, that option comes with an annual height retention fee of £99.99, which is a bargain really and gives the celebrity peace of mind that they'll never shrink...also, it's Tax deductible too!

Jokes aside, I've been measured at around 185.5cm in the evening barefeet on two(!) different hospital stadiometers, by myself at home at around 184cm, and yet I look exactly the same as the men listed at 5'10 and 5'11 on this site. I'm not muscular or fat.

Chariiiizard said on 26/Jun/25
Hey Rob how tall do you think the guy on the right beside 6’2 Adam22 in this photo:
Click Here

He claims 6’5

Emil said on 26/Jun/25
ithadtobeyou1924 said on 23/Jun/25
@Emil And yet a lot of people on the internet go on about how he's got to be 5'11 or 6'0. There is probably a ton of celebrities on this site listed as 6'0 who are probably more like 6'1-6'2 in reality.

@ithadtobeyou1924
6'0.75 for Cbum is possible later in the day imo, but 5'11 is ridiculous, I agree

On that note, I think Rob's listing are always on point or at least very close. But yea, there are some pretty petty people in the comment section. Height insecurity seems to roam around the site.

c-mo 176-177cm said on 26/Jun/25
i thought i share this with you all

average body measurements of 4082 male US soldiers including height meausrement

click here : Click Here

this is the result . click here : Click Here


so 175.5cm is the 50 percentile . the mean is 175.62cm

if i am not wrong 64.85 % of the soldiers in this study were non hispanic whites and most are younger than age 40

i dont know if they were measured in the morning but i can imagine it to be earlier in the day because why would they do it in the evening ? lol ..i mean maybe they did i dont know but i cant imagine it to be the case .

Kevin 6'0.25 said on 26/Jun/25
What percentage of women are taller than 6'0? Tall.life calculator says about 1 in 500 but it seems like much less than that IRL. I would estimate it to be 1 in 1000 at most. I see more 6'5-6'6 men than 6'0 women.

Ziren said on 26/Jun/25
@Siner739 This happens to me all the time. From a distance many people looks so tall but when i get closer theyre usually shorter.

Emil said on 26/Jun/25
@Rob

Looks like a solid 2 inch difference between Cbum and Arnie. I reckon 6'0.75-6'1 for Cbum is pretty much spot on

Ziren said on 26/Jun/25
Rob, what would be 190cm persons eye level on average? I would appreciate a lot if u can answer!

bmb said on 26/Jun/25
Rob, for someone who is a shade over an integer, Is that when you use the word comfortably or easily? Or that also implies for someome that barely reached that integer?

Gerald S said on 26/Jun/25
Rob, I have a premonition that Aaron Taylor-Johnson will be the next Bond, so yes, over 5’10” but only just…

American guy said on 25/Jun/25
Rob You think the new generation in America is getting shorter? I'm only 5'8, yet in my university, I see that I'm taller than a lot of men. I don't find it uncommon to see white guys who are, like, 5'5 either.

Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 25/Jun/25
Bumstead looks 6ft1 range to me

ithadtobeyou1924 said on 25/Jun/25
In order to estimate what I'd be listed at here if I were a celebrity, is measuring myself barefeet a stadiometer in the evening, then substracting 3cm from that number a good thumb of rule?

Siner739 said on 25/Jun/25
Rob, is there any truth to the idea that we tend to overestimate other people’s heights and think they are taller then they really are due to the fact that our eye level is 4-5 inches below our head and we can see others heads but not our own.

Philip Z said on 25/Jun/25
On the topic of Chris Bumstead, seeing him next to strong 6ft 2 David Laid makes any 6ft 1+ estimatations difficult to argue:
Click Here
Click Here

I can buy a bit over 6ft for him, but that's really the most.

Emil said on 25/Jun/25
@Rob

The inversion table/lying down before the measurement theory sounds plausible, but I doubt he'd had regained more than a quarter inch doing that. So, all things considered, I think a 6'1 on the nose listing (lunch time) is fair enough.



@Siner739

Yea, I've seen that photo where the difference between Laid and Cbum looks staggering- but I think it's due to the camera angle and the lense.


This picture seems to represent their height difference a bit better


Click Here

Considering Cbum is wearing 0.7 in Converse, Laid is barefoot, and standing a bit behind, I think 6'1 for Cbum and 6'2.5-6'3 seems reasonable for David Laid.


Gotta love this debate, it's turned into a true height saga 😆

Siner739 said on 25/Jun/25
@Mike190

Click Here

And for superman his height wasn’t mentioned till late 90s

Siner739 said on 25/Jun/25
@Mike190

Click Here

Batman’s height wasn’t actually mentioned until 1948 and he was listed at 6’0-6’1 till the 80s

Putrescent said on 25/Jun/25
Rob, is 5'10.5 a fair claim if measuring in at 178.8cm a little over four hours out of bed?

John Thompson said on 25/Jun/25
Hi Rob, what would the low be for someone listed 5’10 1/2?

I’m talking about guys like Micheal B. Jordan, Andrew Garfield, Pedro Pascal, Jamie Dornan and KSI?

I don’t think they’d drop much under their listing. Would it be fair to say they probably at their low would be slightly under their listing at like 5’10 3/8? Do you think this is fair to say?

Amrithh said on 25/Jun/25
Rob,how much height would these shoes add on?

Click Here

rlheight5'11 said on 24/Jun/25
@avi
I know what you mean, would be interesting them picking a 5’11 guy to be the next bond.

rlheight5'11 said on 24/Jun/25
@Rob
Yeah next one prob taller than that.

bmb said on 24/Jun/25
Rob, my mom is in her early 60s. I truly believe she has lost height since she can't stand quite straight anymore, about a year ago I have measured her at 5ft 2.625, lowest Ive seen from vague memory (All I remember maybe solid 5ft 3 range roughly a decade ago). What kind of conjecture youd give with what her peak height couldve been?

Mike190 said on 24/Jun/25
@Siner739

Most of the comic book characters were created in the late 1930s (Superman 1938, Batman 1939, etc.) The average ~40yo man at that time (born in 1900) was 170cm. Now the average ~40yo man (born in 1980) is 179cm. That's a substantial increase if you ask me.

Let's be conservative. Average man in the USA that was 18-20 years old when the comics were created was 173cm (born 1920).

179cm/173cm = 1.03468208092

Batman: 188cm x 1.03468208092 = 194.5cm or 6ft 4.5

Superman 190.5cm x 1.03468208092 = 197.1cm or 6ft 5.5

Height would be even higher if I used the 1900 avg height. I'm not sure where you're getting your stats from but there was a substantial increase in height in the first world between the late 1800's the until the 1980s. Now the height gains seemed to have tapered off, but are still increasing dramatically in developing countries.

Mike190 said on 24/Jun/25
@JGN

Do you think Jordan Barrett got limb lengthening? The fact that he grew easily 3 inches in his mid 20s is wild to me. Unless he's 1 in a million it doesn't make sense to me how he went from barely 5ft11.5-6ft to ~6ft3 at 25yo.

Mike190 said on 24/Jun/25
@Rob

Bumstead admitted that he used inversion tables before the official Mr. Olympia height measurement. It's very important to measure a certain height since it limits your max weight for the classic physique competition. He had to measure OVER 6ft 1 and up to 6ft2 to meet the 242lb cap. In fact at one point his goal was to measure over 6ft2 so he could weigh 249lbs but clearly he wasn't able to achieve that. Bumstead knows that he typically measures under 6ft 1, that's why he claims 6 foot.

I think he was close to his out of bed height by that stadiometer, and ironically the Eric Kanevsky video with the tape measure in shoes paints a better picture of his lunch-time height. I give him 6ft 1/2inch

Emil said on 24/Jun/25
@Rob

One last clip, and I'll put it on hold lol.

Cbum was also measured 6'1.5 at the 2022 Olympia weigh ins.

Click Here

He's measured around 17:40. Can't really see the lines though.

At 18:35 Cbum asks if he is 6'1 or 6'2, to which the official replies "6'1.5"

Looks like a solid good ol Seca 213 - I reckon it can't be too off 😉?

Emil said on 24/Jun/25
Emil said on 23/Jun/25
Emil said on 22/Jun/25
@Rob

Chris Bumstead measured 6'1.5 barefoot Click Here


Here you can see the head piece and the lines a bit better

Click Here
Editor Rob
Interesting seeing the second angle to the measurement. That platter is very wobbly, but I believe it was clear that it's close enough to 186.5cm (about 6ft 1.4).

So if this were earlier in the day he's got to be 6ft 1.25 at lunch



@Rob

Yes, I always thought he'd be closer to 6 foot flat, but I guess this verifies that he's actually in the 6'1 range. Are you thinking of adding Cbum to the site, or would you need more proof?
Editor Rob
It was clear enough to me he cleared 186cm that moment, so I think as a lunchtime height 1.25 is fair enough. I will give him a page.
However, that youtuber Kanevsky held the tape beside him at 6ft 1 range (in a sneaker), so I don't know!


@Editor Rob

Kanevsky measured Larry Wheels in shoes at 6'1.5 with his method. I'm not sure if you can take it at face value

Click Here

Siner739 said on 24/Jun/25
it doesn’t make sense for c bum to be 6’1 when we know how he looks compared to 6’2 david laid. weird.

Alex174cm said on 24/Jun/25
Hey Rob,

If I’m 174.4cm first thing in the morning and 172.8cm end of day, what would you list me as?

avi said on 23/Jun/25
@Dave5ft7ish said on 21/Jun/25

I mean I know a guy at work who's maybe 5'5 and he married someone 5'7
So it depends
It's just not as common


Agreed all have different experiences and philosophies
Some ppl just don't even notice or care about height so it's not even a factor to them
And yes then newer generation is obsessed with appearances quite a bit
It definitely stems from dating apps and all that

labubu said on 23/Jun/25
hey big rob, was wondering about BMI, calorie trackers and whether to use morning, night, or average height of the two. I always use my first thing in the morning weight, fasted, but my BMI fluctuates a bit depending on which heights I use. I'm around 179cm first thing in the morning and typically 176.5cm at night, with an extreme low of 176. What do you think I should put for this?

ithadtobeyou1924 said on 23/Jun/25
@Emil And yet a lot of people on the internet go on about how he's got to be 5'11 or 6'0. There is probably a ton of celebrities on this site listed as 6'0 who are probably more like 6'1-6'2 in reality.

Emil said on 23/Jun/25
Emil said on 22/Jun/25
@Rob

Chris Bumstead measured 6'1.5 barefoot Click Here


Here you can see the head piece and the lines a bit better

Click Here
Editor Rob
Interesting seeing the second angle to the measurement. That platter is very wobbly, but I believe it was clear that it's close enough to 186.5cm (about 6ft 1.4).

So if this were earlier in the day he's got to be 6ft 1.25 at lunch



@Rob

Yes, I always thought he'd be closer to 6 foot flat, but I guess this verifies that he's actually in the 6'1 range. Are you thinking of adding Cbum to the site, or would you need more proof?

Gerald S said on 23/Jun/25
Rob, is 6’0” likely for a young Ian Fleming?

Siner739 said on 22/Jun/25
@Mike190 said “Just think about it, back then 6ft was widely considered the ideal height, whereas 6ft2 was very tall. That's why all the superheros that were created back then where made 6ft 1-3: Captain America, Batman, Superman, etc. If those superheros were created currently they'd all be in the 6ft4-7 range.”

Disagree with this. superhero comics became popular in the 40s and the average male height was 5’9 then. it’s not even a full inch taller now in the present day. height hasn’t grown as much as people say according to studies.

JGN said on 22/Jun/25
Rob, how tall does Jordan Barrett look next to Elizabeth Debicki wearing heels?

Click Here

Click Here

ithadtobeyou1924 said on 22/Jun/25
@sofar Ngl, if they didn't know your measurements (and maybe even if they did), you'd probably be listed at 183cm at this site lmfao. The more you downgrade others, the more accurate

Progking185 said on 22/Jun/25
@sofar claim 187, you can say 188 too as you measure it and more honest than those who inflate their height haha. My range is about 187 morning, 184.7/6'0.75 night and I just claim 185 or 6'1 as I'm right around 185 for most of the day. I don't claim 187 but people guess me as that or even 188/6'2 anyway.

Emil said on 22/Jun/25
@Rob

Chris Bumstead measured 6'1.5 barefoot Click Here


Here you can see the head piece and the lines a bit better

Click Here

grizz said on 22/Jun/25
@sofar, just go with 187. You'll sound like a kid if you say I am 186 and a half cm tall :D
Nobody can spot that 0.5 cm in real life, not even our esteemed celebheights colleagues.

Drewy said on 21/Jun/25
@Rob, what height would you give Jungkook from BTS? Similar to your height?

Gerald S said on 21/Jun/25
Rob, I’ve seen 6’1.5” listings for Sonny Rollins. Do they add up?

avi said on 21/Jun/25
@rlheight5'11 said on 20/Jun/25

Hmmmm. Bond is 6'0ish is Fleming's books

So someone like me 5'11.8 - 6'0.2 would fit as in have darker brown hair as well
Maybe I can lose 10 lbs though lol
But I think 5'11-6'1 is good for Bond
6'2 max
Bond was never meant to be some lanky guy 6'3+

He's the versatile ideal height for male.
5'11-6'2 (6'1 zone max probably for Bond)

Hopefully they choose someone in this zone

Connery, Lazenby and Dalton all were around same height 6'2ish and I felt Connery and Dalton pulled it off ok

Kiers said on 21/Jun/25
Hey Rob, 14 hours out of bed after a working semi relaxed day with no weights after getting up from lying on a sun lounger for an hour I clocked in just after 10pm at 172.5cm. Weight was 66.5kg.

Can lying down prior to an evening measurement boost our height ?

Giovannino said on 21/Jun/25
rob if a person gets out of bed with a height of 6ft 1, do you think it is better (using the metric system) to declare 184cm or 183cm.
thanks Rob

sofar said on 21/Jun/25
I measured myself for the first time at several points throughout the day. Here's how it went:
Out of bed : 188.1-188.2cm
1h out of bed : 187.4cm
5h out of bed : 186.7cm
8h out of bed : 186.3cm
at my lowest after walking for hours : 185.9-186.1cm

What would my listing be on this site according to my height pattern?

Chris Paul said on 21/Jun/25
Hey Rob what’s the height difference between these guys
Click Here

rlheight5'11 said on 21/Jun/25
@Rob
Yeah pretty much, I don’t think anyone would believe me if I told them I was under 6ft and probably pull off looking it at times due to my frame/build. The part where I said I have the height to be the next bond was a joke.

Dave5ft7ish said on 21/Jun/25
I don't find any issue with the stereotype of women having preferences of wanting a tall man, because we all have over-the-top preferences all the time.
It's human nature to want the best, if given the opportunity.

But, Preferences don't necessarily mean it'll be a dealbreaker.

More often than not, Those women will be ready to put their height preferences aside in a heartbeat if the person in question really passes the vibe check.
And If someone is using height as an excuse for rejection, that someone is either purely superficial or it's a simple way of expressing their lack of interest.

Dave5ft7ish said on 21/Jun/25
avi said on 19/Jun/25
"I think a man who is even over 5'7 should be fine because a lot of shorter women 4'11-5'3 will be perfectly fine with that"


Sounds like bad news to me, I prefer woman over in the tall range above even if I'm 5'7ish man myself.

Anyways, I ain't gonna change my preference and settle for the tiny 5'2" just because I'm 5'7".

And so far, my 5'7" height never troubled me even a tiny bit. And due to my preference, I often prefer taller ones than me TBH


And about earlier comment, Ok I agree that philosophies on height varies from person to person. And it's all about what the individual feels comfortable with, it's a confidence boost for some after all.
And yes, modern generation has become too superficial and so, I understand where many sentiments are coming off from. And not judging

Gerald S said on 21/Jun/25
Rob, would you go along with 5’11” peak for Alan Greenspan?

grizz said on 21/Jun/25
@Mike190, our girls don't care much about Arnold look.
They mostly want a big guy with big arms, legs and chest, 6 pack is not important.
They prefer the powerlifter look over bodybuilder.

A cousin of mine, who is 5'11, she is built like a model, literally she could pick any guy in this world. She chose a 6'4 280 lbs guy (far from 6 pack physique), I guess so she appears more feminine (less imposing) next to her husband.

Younger women (under 23 y.o.) have the hots for shredded guys, but their taste also changes eventually .

rlheight5'11 said on 20/Jun/25
@Rob
I never go below 180 at my extreme low, I’m a comfortable 5’11. Not to brag but I have the height to be the next Bond.

Gerald S said on 20/Jun/25
Rob, what height might you give Robert Goulet?

avi said on 20/Jun/25
@Ziren said on 19/Jun/25
" Yeah maybe 0,1% of women prefer average let alone a short man. Haha!"


Nah lol I think many ppl overestimate height and women thing

It is skewed nowadays due to take off from tik tok and YT and all the narcissistic tendencies of people posting videos showing themselves off on social media

There are a lot of women creeped out by overly large men
Obviously MOST women want men 5'11-6'3 with 6'1-6'2 being a gold standard unless the woman is 5'10+ they may prefer 6'4-6'7 men. So there's no doubt most women want men at least taller than average. But there's a cutoff.

even women 5'9-5'11 I have seen many with semi tall guys in the 5'11-6'1 zone

I'd say maybe 20% prefer men more average than tall
If you go on some dating app and the pool of girls you see are mostly sorority types and self absorbed then obviously that throws off the numbers
Most of those types look 6'0+

MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 20/Jun/25
I thought the last survey they did in UK had a 177.5cm average for young guys, i might be wrong.

MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 20/Jun/25
My dads only an inch taller than my mum, she told me she doesn't care about a guys height as long as they are taller than her, I think most women have the same feeling. Yes, you get done girls who are shallow and only want 6 foot fellas. And my mum is about 5'6 so most guys are taller than her.

rlheight5'11 said on 20/Jun/25
@ObliviousOblivion
One height survey before showed 178-178.4 for younger men in the us/uk.

Sam the 5'11.75 said on 19/Jun/25
Hi Rob.

Does a 5'11 and 1/4 extreme low seem plausible for someone who is over 6 foot out of bed and then 5'11 and 3/4 for most of the rest of the day (lazy day)

This was a measurement I got after a long day of pulling boxes about at work and the lowest I've ever measured myself to be

Mike190 said on 19/Jun/25
@grizz

Well I am 70kgs so I guess I would be cooked then. There is no way that I could get to 100kg lean without steroids, no chance in the world. I would have to be over 200cm tall to weigh 100kg lean naturally.

85kg would be a much more reasonable target weight at ~6ft2 if you want to appear muscular, maybe 90kg at the absolute most. 100kg is overweight and requires steroids if you want to be lean.

Do the girls there not mind if you're chubby or do they want the bodybuilder look? I personally feel much better being lean and light. Don't care if women think I'm too skinny since I care about my health above everything else.

Mike190 said on 19/Jun/25
@avi

Look at this guy for example: Click Here

From a distance no way he looks close to 7ft. Sure he has long limbs but based on his overall look and face he could easily appear 6ft flat from a distance.

There are cases in the opposite direction as well were people look much taller than they are due to wonky proportions despite being below average height.

rlheight5'11 said on 19/Jun/25
@Giovannino
Ronaldo’s son jr first started training in the gym from the age of ..like 9 lol, probably even had the same diet program as him.

Ziren said on 19/Jun/25
@avi Yeah maybe 0,1% of women prefer average let alone a short man. Haha!

avi said on 19/Jun/25
c-mo 176-177cm said on 19/Jun/25


Yes there definitely is a large pool of women who are fine with shorter men
Many women I've talked to don't care about height
I don't think a lot of women would desire a 6'4+ man as the aesthetic starts to wear off at 6'3
There's a study out there that shows it peaks around there
More isn't always better maybe with money it is lol


But there's enough taller women with men a few inches shorter so it's not that rare.

Obviously MOST women prefer men 5'9-6'3 range (at least average to solid tall)
Again that 5'11-6'2 zone comes into play
But agreed personality, charisma and face are more important
All those things including height work in synergy

One really can't say "oh 6'1 or 6'2 is 100% perfect or ideal" as we discussed lot of factors come into play
I think a man who is even over 5'7 should be fine because a lot of shorter women 4'11-5'3 will be perfectly fine with that
Not every women is acting on a primal urge to be "defended or protected" by guys 9 inches + taller

c-mo 176-177cm said on 19/Jun/25
@avi

you said :

"In fact there's a large pool of women who prefer men shorter side or average as opposed to ~6'0"

that is not true . if women could choose the height of their men most of them would choose something between 5'11 to 6'3 and many would also like 6'4+ too (but 5'11 - 6'3 range is most desired) and many also like 5'8 and over or are at least okay with it but most women would not want a guy who is below 5'7 . doesnt mean that men below 5'7 cant get women but they have it harder 100% .

it is when you are a legit 5'8 barefoot where you can not blame your lack of success with women on your height anymore . but most women if they can choose they will take a high end of average to normal tall man with good proportions and a mesomorphic body structure

but face and personality / game are the most important things to get women . after 5'8 it motly about face and body frame . most women would take a 5'9 - 5'10 guy with a good looking face and good body structure over a tall guy who is not so good looking and / or has bad proportions .

avi said on 18/Jun/25
@Dave5ft7ish said on 17/Jun/25


You make a lot of assumptions from just reading my one comment

Who said to impress ladies?? Lol
That's your opinion and mentality
Plenty of shorter guys do fine with ladies
In fact there's a large pool of women who prefer men shorter side or average as opposed to ~6'0

Some people may do it for themselves
Possibly for financial reasons think like models or those in a business where height (to a certain limit) is an asset

I do agree 5'8 is probably too tall for it
But look at it this way
5'3 guy gets 4-5 inches he's still barely even average
5'7-5'8 can get to 5'11-6'1 zone

And actually be tall

I just made a comment that to me personally if I was 5'7-5'8 I would consider it
Didn't say I'd actually do it
And yes as I said it's kind of crazy but we all have different philosophies and opinions


And I'm well aware it's painful
I know people who broke legs and it's a lot to deal with

Ideally everyone can be happy with who they are but we are in an age where people want to be things they are not and put a lot of store in altering their appearance

Chris Paul said on 18/Jun/25
Hey Rob, what is the height difference between these two guys
Click Here

Yongzhong26 said on 18/Jun/25
Hi Rob

Your website has provided a lot of entertainment for me over the last few years - I was wondering if there was any way to donate/ become a subscriber or something?

Also can I request pages to be added to these people? They will provide a lot of traffic from the younger generation and I’ve noticed they are not on here:

Central Cee (British Rapper) [lots of comparisons with other people]
Cole Anderson-James (British YouTuber)
Mashtag Brady (British YouTuber)
Angry Ginge (British YouTuber)
DDG (American Rapper and YouTuber)
Mya Mills (Internet Personality)
Burna Boy (Nigerian Singer/songwriter)
Bryce Hall (Tiktoker)

Cheers

MatPit said on 18/Jun/25
Hi Rob, would you say that a typical celebheights listing for a roughly 6ft tall person is around 3/8 inch above their extreme low (very physical day lowest) or closer to 1/4"?

Gerald S said on 18/Jun/25
Rob, can you add NEIGHBOURS star, Ian Smith?

Listed commonly as 5’11”, but I have my doubts about that figure for Ian. He could be more 5’10”…

avi said on 17/Jun/25
@MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 17/Jun/25

Yes it seems very painful
If it was like a one month thing and bam everything normal and walk perfectly fine even with $50-100k cost I'd do it for sure if I was 5'7-5'8 to get to 5'11-6'1 zone

But yes not worth it being only are alive 80-90 years or so
As get older I think things like height matter less

MatPit said on 17/Jun/25
@c-mo 176-177cm
The last statistics I saw was 180.4cm for 19-year-olds in Finland, I'd guess we can take that as a lunch time/ noon measurement on average.
I also feel like the likelihood for a person to hold other aspects of beauty like good proportions in body or face gets smaller the further we go from average height, so tall height has usually some "cost". I guess when we think about ideal we like to think what if there wasn't this cost and the person was visually ideal otherwise too...
Tall is good but sometimes you also want to blend in better... different heights seem to have their own benefits.
But yeah I think the few centimetre difference we have in the perceived ideal could be explained by refering to different national averages.

Chris Paul said on 17/Jun/25
Hey Rob what does the height difference between Flight and Julian Newman look like.
Click Here

Dave5ft7ish said on 17/Jun/25
@MaskDeMasque 5'9.5

Finally, someone with sense!!
If a guy is even 5'6", getting leg lengthening surgery is kinda crazy.(a little understandable but still).
Let alone the people unironically saying they'd consider it even at 5'7 or 5'8 🤦‍♂️, to go through all that pain and suffering.
All for impressing some ladies?? Idk, it's just crazy.
Ofc, anyone would want to be taller than they are, if they are shorter than Average but leg lengthening surgery is such a sadistic approach.
Maybe people aren't aware of how much painful and tough it is.

Giovannino said on 17/Jun/25
Message in perfect English:

Hi Rob, I have a very specific question for you.
Let’s say you find out that a celebrity measures somewhere between 6ft 5/8 and 6ft 3/4 after standing for three and a half hours.

In that case, would you prefer to:

round down and list them at 6ft 1/2, since three and a half hours is not yet five or six hours and therefore their height hasn’t fully "stabilized"?
or

would you rather go with 6ft 3/4, based on the actual measurement at the time?


Thank you very much!

MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 17/Jun/25
@avi

If a guy was like 5'3 I kinda understand leg lengthening but 5'7-5'8 is no where near short enough to be worth the pain you go through.

c-mo 176-177cm said on 17/Jun/25
@MatPit

would the 180cm average for finland be a morning - early noon value or would it be evening height ? i guess late morning / early noon right ?

by the way i have known a guy who was around 187cm (if i remember right he told me he is 187cm but i dont remember well anymore . maybe i am wrong that he told me this . it was 15 years ago . but regardless of that he definitely was around 187cm) who told me he is too tall . he looked lanky / gawky and seemed a little clumsy too

to be honest proportions and aeshtetics wise (both body aeshtetics as well as face and skull) men around 174 - 180cm look the best in my experience . i am in this range myself and am very happy with my proportions and facial aeshtetics (i would like to have a little bit longer legs and arms though) . yeah yeah i know some guys here will think i say this only because i am in this range and will accuse me of coping or whatever . but it is really my experience . especially around 180cm looks best in my experience but as i said before the problem with 180cm is that even though it is a upper average height and even a bit tallish... it can look / feel a bit short in some situations where you are suddenly surrounded by very tall dudes

thats why around 183 - 184cm at night with good proportions and good facial and skull aesthetics is best in my eyes . because at around 184 you have enough height and are a little tall and wont look or feel short EVER unless you are surrounded by nba players lol . like extremely rare situations . i mean most people will look short next to men above 200cm ...thats normal

above ~185cm is not perfect anymore in my eyes . in my experience . because at that point it looks vertically "too long" to be perfect. not sure how to explain it lol . it just seems like the glass is already full around 185 and more than that is a bit too long . but 186 - 191cm range is still phenomenal especially if you can pull it off . i find heights up to around 194cm to be GOOD and up to 203/204cm to be decent . and it is better to be "too tall" than to be below 173-174cm especially below 170cm . i would rather be 6'9 than 5'6 ...100%

avi said on 16/Jun/25
@c-mo 176-177cm said on 15/Jun/25

Yep we all have different opinions and perceive height differently

I think most agree that 6'1-6'2 is most ideal male height
Of course there's some who view 5'10- 5'11 or even 6'5 as ideal

As we said here's more to it than height itself
Proportions and build etc

So 5'10 could be better than 6'2 depending on those other variables

But speaking general assuming one has a decent face and build, 6'1-6'2 is golden range.

5'10 is a decent height
Even 5'9 wasn't horrible
But I just think it's not enough.
To me even at 6'0ish I feel it's not enough
Maybe I pay to much attention to comparing to others and notice tall people but I'm fairly confident that 6'2 would be my "ideal" height

If I was 5'7 possibly even 5'8 I'd definitely consider Leg lengthening
Kinda crazy right lol

avi said on 16/Jun/25
@Kevin 6'0.25 said on 15/Jun/25

Yes I'm basically a weak 6'0
But have used "0.5 lift" (which give like 0.25-0.3 boost) so I'm like 6'0.2 equivalent barefoot let's say when walking around

It could be my perception or as I mentioned to Rob about sidewalk heights and pavement maybe I'm overestimating on har type of terrain
Plus I tend to notice taller ppl more

But either way I don't feel that tall most of the time walking around.
I'm on East Coast
It could be a "feeling" and when next to people I feel are taller by 2-3 inches maybe it's less.

But there are a lot of people 5'11-6'3 it's not that uncommon

If I walk around a mall I see good amount of men 5'11-6'2/6'3

The thing with 6'0 is it's hardly over average
A 5'9.5-5'10 person will be in middle of your forehead so just doesn't feel tall
Maybe it's the area
Funny how we can all perceive things differently!

@Kellan
Agreed! Not sure why anyone would want to be that large
There's a sweet spot and that appears to be 5'11-6'3
With 6'1-6'2 possibly most desirable

Gianni 5' 7 said on 16/Jun/25
Hi Rob,
Considering the camera angle and their footwears, would you say that the two guys who are being interviewed are in the same height range?

Click Here

MatPit said on 16/Jun/25
As a Finnish guy I'd say that depending on proportions, the likelihood that you are perceived as "tall" rather than "tallish" in real life encounters is somethin like this:
182 cm : 5%
183 cm : 15%
184 cm : 20%
185 cm : 40%
186 cm : 55%
187 cm : 75%
188 cm : 90%
189 cm : 99%
I'm not saying this is accurate, just chose numbers based on how I feel it is. So it kind of rapidly changes at the 184cm - 188cm area, I personally take 188cm as the first tall height. In Finland the average young adult man is 180cm (5'11").

I'd say 186-187cm as an evening height is ideal. I think the main thing in ideal height is never to seem short unless it's already obvious to everybody that the height environment is exceptional (some sports teams etc...). 185cm already does that but then again you'd rather seem tall most of the time than just something above average. 188cm is the first height where I've heard some people complain about their tallness, and it's more likely for 188cm to seem a bit too lanky than for 186cm to seem too average. 186-187cm really seems a place where men are least likely to complain about their height.

Kevin said on 16/Jun/25
@Kellan

6'4+ has it's advantages. It's an imposing height and people take you more seriously when you're very tall. Some guys just like being taller than almost everybody. I think at 6'6+ the disadvantages become too much, though.

c-mo 176-177cm said on 16/Jun/25
@ MaskDeMasque 5'9.5

there are many positive things about 5'9 - 5'10

healthy height , taller than majority of women , good height for body proportions and aesthetics , good height for many sports , good height for fighting , one of the best if not best heights for building a muscular physique , cars busses beds clothes everything is comfortable , wont stick out in public . etc. etc.

sure it could be even better and at our heights we will always dream of being a little taller . but our heights are still decent / good tbh

Alex174cm said on 16/Jun/25
Hey Rob,

Is it possible to get a page for NFL legend Barry Sanders? His playing height was recorded as 5'8 173cm.

He measured 172cm 5 ft7 5⁄8 in in the NFL combine Click Here

Here he is with 6'2 1/2 Derek Jeter Click Here

Here he is with Kevin Dillon 5ft 8 ¾ , both wearing same footwear Click Here

Here he is with Marlon Wayans 6ft ½ Click Here

Here he is with Saquon Barkley who measured 183cm/6 foot at the combine Click Here

Based on these photos, do you think his combine measurement of 172cm / 5 ft7 5⁄8 is accurate?

MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 16/Jun/25
How about adding stewart lee Rob? Compared with weak 5'6 Herring i think he can look 5'10.5-5'11 range.

MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 16/Jun/25
I see 5'9 and 5'10 as neutral heights. Neither good or bad. Being one of these heights isn't going to hold you back in life but at the same time it's not gonna do you any favours.

avi said on 15/Jun/25
@Garrett Thompson said on 14/Jun/25

Take a chill pill dude
Lol

It's a hobby
Accusing everyone of autism or mental illness here is really ignorant

Of course some here may be weird or have but a large amount of us are just giving our opinion on height as fun and it's a sort of hobby

No need for the pontification

Kellan said on 15/Jun/25
I don’t get people saying they wish they were 6’4”+. People don’t realize the extent of disadvantages after 6’2”.

Gerald S said on 15/Jun/25
Rob, a woman wakes up at 172.7cm, still holds 172cm at midday, and is 170.8cm last thing at night. She claims 5’8”. What listing might you give her on Celebheights?

chad michaels said on 15/Jun/25
Hello Rob,
How much height do you think these shoes give?
Click Here

Giovannino said on 15/Jun/25
Click Here

rob look at this photo, crazy he has already surpassed his father

c-mo 176-177cm said on 15/Jun/25
@avi

but bro 5'9 and 5'10 are good heights to be honest . especially 5'10

some will accuse me of coping and will say that i say this only because i am between 5'9 and 5'10 but the thing is that because i am this height i can tell you how this height feels with years of experience being the height . it is definitely good . not the perfect height to be (which is something in the 179 - 185 range at night imo as i said . i would say a good proportioned mesomorphic 183-184cm at night with good face and skull aeshtetics is perfection) . but good still

i would say 5'9 flat is a "decent height" and 5'10 is a GOOD height

i mean if anybody disagrees with me thats totally okay . i am just sharing my own thoughts being this height :)

MatPit said on 15/Jun/25
@Garrett Thompson I think when people suggest 1/8 listings it's usually not about claiming to discern such accuracy but more about coming into a compromise when for example someone usually looks x.0 but sometimes (less often) x.5

Kevin 6'0.25 said on 15/Jun/25
@avi

Are you in the US? I'm surprised you only felt average at 6'0. I feel fairly tall when walking around Seattle or Las Vegas in standard 1 inch shoes. Solid tall? Maybe not, but definitely not average. I think universities have a taller than average height because of athletes and socioeconomic factors which is the only place I don't feel tall at a strong 6'. But I don't think the youth in general is any taller than in the 90s/00s.

When I go to airports (one of my favorite places to gauge height) in the US, I'm taller than at least a good 80% of men.

Ziren said on 15/Jun/25
Rob i have a suggestion. Please dont let guys like @Garrett Thompson comment here. It does only harm to this site and its users. Guys like him are better to be banned and ignored.

Ziren said on 15/Jun/25
Click Here , Rob, how tall do you think this left side guy is next to 5'7 listed thai boxer Liam Harrison? He claims to be 194-195cm. Can he look that tall?

Gianni 5' 7 said on 15/Jun/25
Hi Rob,
would you say this is a 5 or a 6 inches gap?

Click Here

Giovannino said on 15/Jun/25
rob is it cautious to say I am 185 cm tall to people if in the morning out of bed with a do-it-yourself measurement the result is extremely close to a weak 187 cm?

Ziren said on 15/Jun/25
At what point does height difference start to be noticeable in your opinion, Rob?

avi said on 14/Jun/25
@Mike190 said on 13/Jun/25

Agreed that it seems 6'2 nowadays isn't the same as it was in past
Obviously now people have gotten taller
Due to nutrition and the additives in food (growth hormones) many of these kids growing larger and wider too at times.

So 6'4 definitely would have a better standout value that 6'2

5'11-6'1 is not that tall anymore.

However when we discuss ideal height I am discussing it in terms of "optimal height " for humans
What height is the "best" for daily living
I agree proportions are definitely a large factor
The 6'10ish guy you mentioned who looked 5'10 ish (average) from afar is interesting.
I was a way a few days and walked around the city (not a largely populated city but enough ppl to get a good height comparison going)
At roughly 6'0 I felt average at best
I saw a good bit of 6'1-6'3 men
A few 6'4-6'5 popped up
Didn't see anyone over 6'6 (I think! Lol)
One older guy (60s) looked about that range while I was sitting down
Didn't look good at all.

Anyway I saw men who from afar looked 5'10-6'0 but were 6'2-6'3 close


It's hard to imagine 6'10 can look 5'10! But I guess possible

However it's not relative. If you are 6'10 and look 5'10 or 6'1 or whatever it doesn't matter. It's still but no means ideal. Period.
6'10 will never be an ideal height as it's not an optimal living height..human body is not meant to be that large
We know for a fact cancer is more prevalent as well as joint, back and knees issues etc
So in my model I factor everything that comes along with the height
At 6'1-6'2 you really won't have issues
However the odds of having longer legs and trunk to the point of starting to wear down the body increase at 6'3+

I do agree that a badly proportion 6'2 (very long legs or very long trunk) vs a more balanced 6'3-6'4 man , the 6'3-6'4 many may be more "ideal" relative to that.
So I suppose it's not as "black and white" as 6'1-6'2 as ideal and that's it

But I guess in MOST cases many agree 6'1-6'2 is ideal
Some will say 5'11-6'1
Some may say 6'2-6'4
Many will not say 5'9-5'10
Or 6'5+

But yes if ones goal is to be basically taller than everyone than obviously 6'5-6'6 would win
But that is not the goal of defining ideal or.optimal height
It's about being tall enough and still being a versatile height and not detrimental to daily living and aging

So its a balance

Garrett Thompson said on 14/Jun/25
And lastly, the lot of you all need to touch grass. This website gets its fair share of crazies, schizos, autists, etc.

Stop underlisting people's heights so much (looking at you lot Canson, viper, jawilder, etc.)

And "Big" Rob, take care of your health. For a guy in his 40s or early 50, feel like running this degenerate autistic site does more harm than good (see Tarif and Greg Lurik). It's unfortunate what people on LooksMax.org have said about Rob and Jenny, but that reflects the degeneracy and obessive stupidity of the average user on here - fighting over millimeters and cringe 1/8 listings. No one can discern a 1/8 listing. Per my email, thompsongchess@gmail.com - the most you can discern is 1/4 if someone edges someone else LOL (that's crazy wording). When in doubt, list someeone higher and then downgrade by quaters as necessary.

I've already posted my email in other comment threads. But if anyone wants to disagree with my opinion and takes, feel free to correspons at thompsongchess@gmail.com

Goodbye everybody. May the schizo vision bless you all! - Garrett Arthur Thompson (self-proclaimed 6'3 / 190 guy)

c-mo 176-177cm said on 14/Jun/25
@adrianposter

i am about 5'9.25 at my low (can even fall slightly below that on harder days) and i live in germany and i dont feel short here nor do people perceive me as short . there are some situations when there are many tall guys around at the same time and in such situations i can feel below average but in general my height feels solid even here in germany . i talked about it a little in my last post here ....scroll a little down to see my post

grizz said on 14/Jun/25
@Aznn, good for you for going to a professional to fix your posture. 1st time I went there I had zero to none expections (fixing my neck pain was all I've asked for). But, lo and behold, not only he fixed my neck pain, he readjusted my vertebraes (that made me stand tall naturally), my brain started working without any setbacks, I felt more positive and confident, my fitness shape was so advanced that I felt like Captain America.
Honestly, I was shocked how much can deteriorated spine and posture destroy your entire life. I feel sorry for not taking the necessary measures during my puberty, my whole life would have been dramatically different now.

ObliviousOblivion said on 14/Jun/25
So the average height for a male nowadays is 5'10? @Rob

Garrett Thompson said on 14/Jun/25
Proper Height Bins in North America for men

Sub 170/5'7 = short
[170,175) / [5'7,5'9) = below average
[175,180) / [5'9,5'11) = average
[180,185) / [5'11,6'1) = above average / tallish (most girls will call you tall at this point, 180-183 guys are more above average and 183-185 guys more tallish)
[185,190) / [6'1,6'3) = tall / solid tall (with men 6'2+ being solid tall, while those in the 6'1-6'2 are still tall)
[190,195) / [6'3,6'5) = very tall
[195,200) / [6'5, 6,7) = giant
200+ / 6'7+ = if you're not in the NBA, you're cooked at this height - sorry Barron Trump

For women, the same bins apply, just subtract roughly 4 inches or 10 cm from each bin. So the start of tall for a woman begins around 5'9-5'10 (even though you'll have 5'7-5'9 women claiming they're tall, they're more above average / tallish)

Com said on 14/Jun/25
Rob, has the average height increased by an inch today? I’m seeing loads of people saying 5ft 10 is the new average

Gianni 5' 7 said on 14/Jun/25
Hi Rob,

How tall would you Say Is the guy in the middle if Rafa Leao is around 6ft2?

Click Here

Emil said on 14/Jun/25
@Andrea

You dug deep on the one haha.
And if she was almost 18 back then, I strongly doubt she has grown more. I always doubted she was over 6 feet

MatPit said on 14/Jun/25
Hi Rob, I was thinking about this height-related phenomenon and wanted to hear your opinion. I've noticed that across different countries with differing average heights people tend to perceive the average to be about 0.5 - 1.0 inches higher than what it actually is, even if we're talking about young adult averages only. I was wondering if this could be because we naturally pay more attention to taller people than shorter? I know that human mind is kind of threat-focused so we remember threatening encounters better than non-threatening ones so maybe we remember better moments when someone dwarfed us than moments when we were dwarfing someone. I feel like this happens both with male and female averages.

adrianposter said on 14/Jun/25
Hey Rob,

Would you say that 5’9 is a little on the shorter side for young western men nowadays?

Aznn said on 14/Jun/25
@Mike190 6'4" is when I had to check my height cause people were constantly commenting on it, I found it strange because I thought i was like 6'2 due to forward head and bad posture, but after I did some physiotherapy and gained back the height the difference was really big, at 6'2 you're solidly tall no doubt but 6'4 is when you can look over men's heads and go even a week without seeing anyone taller than you, even though 6'4 is equally 2 inches away from 6'2 and 6'6, I'd actually consider it closer to 6'6" in terms of perception because it's when you can look over men's heads, feel towering and as you're taller an extra inch makes less of a difference, people also say it depends where you live but genuinely in places like germany or poland i still felt equally as tall, it's also a height where sometimes I subconsciously slouch because if i stand up at my tallest sometimes i feel like i stick out a bit lol

bmb said on 13/Jun/25
Rob, no idea if this has been brought up but may take awhile for me to find it. But what is an average amount of shrinkage you get from first thing you wake up to lunch and dinner hours (say on a lazy day)? I'm thinking ⅝ and ¾ of an inch respectively, but I could be wrong.

Kevin 6'0.25 said on 13/Jun/25
@Mike190

I've seen it happen, but obviously much less often than with 6'4+. One time in college a girl of average height (5'5 or so) said to a guy while we were all waiting in line, "You're so tall, you're what, 6'3?" and he replied "6'2" and he looked like a solid 6'2 guy to me. He was east Asian, so maybe that made his height more noteworthy compared to a 6'2 white guy.

At 6'1 in the US it's just short enough that usually nobody will comment on your height or see you as "the tall guy" (even if they subconsciously acknowledge that you're on the taller side) and I prefer it that way. But of course, I can totally see why many people think 6'2 or even 6'4 is ideal.

grizz said on 13/Jun/25
Mike190
So my point is the ideal height is relative without a doubt. If you base your ideal height on the average proportions associated with each height, then sure it is somewhat indepenent. 6ft1 simply cannot be ideal if you live in the balkans where the average man is 187cm, nor where the average man is 161cm in central america.
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I'm from the Balkans (Croatia) and the average definitely isn't 187 cm, even if only young people were included. That's only correct for men in Makarska, a small 10k coastal city. Everywhere else the average is in 180-185, more closer to the lower end of the range.

And I can assure you, 185-188 cm is a very desirable height even for our tall Balkan girls. Sure, if you ask them about the perfect male height, they'll say 190. But they're not all too crazy about 195+ guys, most of them even prefer an 185 cm guy. What they insist on more than height is having some meat around the bones."What is a man without 100 kg" is a popular saying in our parts.

Andrea said on 13/Jun/25
That Marie Temara girl actually hinted that she got measured under 6' in 2012... Click Here

Sam the 5'11.75 said on 13/Jun/25
Hi Rob

How accurate are average height statistics and height percentiles?. Supposedly in the UK 5'10 is in the 99th percentile for a adult Woman and I just find this so hard to believe. I work in a retail store and I'd say the average being 5'3.5 and 5'10 being 99th percentile just seems wrong to me. Probably every one in 50 Women I see every day are at least 5'10 and would think 99th percentile is more likely 5'10.5.

Thoughts?. I live in the South. Do you think regional variation might explain this?

Gianni 5' 7 said on 13/Jun/25
Hi Rob

How tall would you estimate the shorter guy if Hakimi is 5ft11 flat?

Click Here

Emil said on 13/Jun/25
@Rob

You make a solid point.

I think I've found her old college profile. There it has her height at 6'1, which is believable. Anywhere between 6'0-6'2 is likely what she measures

Click Here

Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 13/Jun/25
6ft3 in most countries should be heading into very tall range…..places like The Netherlands it’s a bit more common though so perhaps it’s on the slightly lower-end of tall, their equivalent to what 6ft-6ft1 is in Ireland/UK/USA…..but absolutely never ever outside of tall range

Giovannino said on 13/Jun/25
Hi Rob,
I wanted to share a recent measurement and get your opinion. Exactly 3 hours after waking up, I went to the doctor and they measured me 2–3 times under a stadiometer just to be sure. I checked myself as well, and I was somewhere between 184.5 and 185 cm — depending on posture. In the end, they recorded 185 cm on the medical form.

Since I play tennis, I was curious — if I were a celebrity, based on your way of assessing heights, where would you place me on the tennis players’ page?

Do you think 3 hours after waking up might be too soon?

thanks Rob

MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 13/Jun/25
Can you add Tim Robinson, Rob? I watched the Friendship movie yesterday and he wasnt much taller than Paul Rudd. I Think 5'9.5 is a fair listing.

MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 13/Jun/25
I think 6'3 is start of very tall. Legit 6'3ers like Sacha baron look more than just tall.

Emil said on 13/Jun/25
@Rob

Ever come across the TikTok blogger Marie Temara who claims to be 7'0?

I honestly doubt she's even over 6'0 lol.

Here she is in what looks like 3" heels with Glenny Balls from Barstool Sports - Click Here

And Glenny doesn't look more than 5'5 range next to Floyd Mayweather. Maybe 5'6 on the dot with better posture - Click Here

grizz said on 13/Jun/25
c-mo 176-177cm said on 12/Jun/25
my height chart for non elderly men in the western world would be like this :
164 - 169 = short
170 - 172 = a little short . 172 more "average-ish" than 170 obviously
173 - 174 = below average but not short . maybe slightly so ...173 more so
175 - 180 = average / medium
181 - 182 = above average but not tall . maybe slightly so ....182 more so
183 - 185 = a little tall
186 - 191 = tall
192 - 193 = starting to get to approach the very tall range
194 - 199cm = very tall
200 - 205 = huge
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I'd say your chart is bang on the money.

Mike190 said on 13/Jun/25
6ft2 does not get "how tall are you" at all in my experience. Only maybe from short grandmas or third world immigrants. 6ft4 is where you start to stick out and your height becomes somewhat of an inconvenience, as well as a part of your identity. There are too many 6ft1-3 guys nowadays for 6ft2 to stand out.

I do agree though 6ft2 / 188cm just sounds right, aesthetic and is still a very normal convenient height. My late grandfather was 6ft2 and in the 50s it was a legit standout height. He towered over 95% of people in the photos I've seen of him.

The average North American man born in the 1930's was 173-4cm and the generation born in the 1980's and onwards are 178-9cm. That's a ~2.88% increase. In other words, 6ft2 in the 50's/60's looks the same as 6ft4 these days.

Just think about it, back then 6ft was widely considered the ideal height, whereas 6ft2 was very tall. That's why all the superheros that were created back then where made 6ft 1-3: Captain America, Batman, Superman, etc. If those superheros were created currently they'd all be in the 6ft4-7 range.

These days 6ft2 is generally considered ideal, with 6ft4 being the start of very tall. Although with the current dating culture it seems even 6ft2 is no longer enough for some women.

I also somewhat disagree that the ideal height is not relative. Every human has different proportions. I met this one giant man in the States a few years ago who claimed 7 feet (I think he was a weak 6ft 11), and from a distance I kid you not he looked like he was 5ft10. He had very very good proportions, a massive frame and attractive face. On him his height looked excellent.

I have another 5ft 6 friend who has extremely long legs & arms and a very short torso. In fact we compared wing spans and his was longer than mine (190cm), and he has size 14US feet. From a distance he looks like he should be well over 6ft.

So my point is the ideal height is relative without a doubt. If you base your ideal height on the average proportions associated with each height, then sure it is somewhat indepenent. 6ft1 simply cannot be ideal if you live in the balkans where the average man is 187cm, nor where the average man is 161cm in central america.

In conclusion: I think there are two ideal height ranges nowadays in developed countries.

If you value convenience and don't want to stick out 185-190cm is ideal, but if you want to be able to have your tall height as part of your identity 195-200cm is optimal. 190-195cm is a mix between both.

A good rule of thumb for determining the ideal height where you are is calculatte the ratio between the average man and woman and then multiply that by the average male height.

179cm/165cm = 1.085

179cm x 1.085 = 194cm (6ft4 and change)

c-mo 176-177cm said on 12/Jun/25
my height chart for non elderly men in the western world would be like this :



164 - 169 = short

170 - 172 = a little short . 172 more "average-ish" than 170 obviously

173 - 174 = below average but not short . maybe slightly so ...173 more so

175 - 180 = average / medium

181 - 182 = above average but not tall . maybe slightly so ....182 more so

183 - 185 = a little tall

186 - 191 = tall

192 - 193 = starting to get to approach the very tall range

194 - 199cm = very tall

200 - 205 = huge

Orf 5'9 1/2 barefoot said on 12/Jun/25
Hey Rob can you add the new prime minister of Canada? I personally think he is in the 5’9 range

Progking185 said on 12/Jun/25
@Mike190 I class start of tall as about an inch lower but yeah I get that. And as I mentioned below I think 6'1.5-6'2 is great lol

Aptz said on 12/Jun/25
Rob if the guy on right is 6’6(white guy) how tall you reckon the guy on the left is Click Here think the hair and the fact he is tilting his head up makes him look 6’4 but I reckon he looks around 190cm

Kevin 6'0.25 said on 12/Jun/25
@Progking185

6'1.5-6'2 is an incredible height aesthetically. Classic tall. I think I would still take a flat 6'1 over 6'2, though. Slightly more convenient for everyday life and strikes a good balance between being tall yet not standing out. A 6'2 guy will stand out a bit and start getting the "how tall are you" questions which is annoying IMO.

Gianni 5' 7 said on 12/Jun/25
Hi Rob. Italian football player Sebastian Giovinco Is listed 5 ft3 or 160 cm. How tall would you say is the guy beside him? Do you think they have similar footwears?


Click Here

MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 11/Jun/25
When creating height categories it also depends where you live. I used to live in a village and there was a guy that went to the pubs whose nickname was giant. He was like 6'4.5. certainly a very tall guy but if this was in a big town or city he probably wouldn't be known as the giant lol.

rlheight5'11 said on 11/Jun/25
@Rob
What height looks imposing/impressive to you while out and about?

rlheight5'11 said on 11/Jun/25
@Rob
Yeah, London seems pricey these days and the scottish coast probably safer. My city has looked run down ever since the Covid pandemic.

bmb said on 11/Jun/25
Rob, in your opinion, which height should we use, if say we want to calculate BMI. Peak, low, or somewhere in the middle is ok? or if it doesn't matter at all?

Mike190 said on 10/Jun/25
Here are my categories for men in Northern America aged 20-40:


Little person: Less than 4’10

Extremely short: 4’10 - 5’0.5

Very short: 5’1 - 5’3.5

Short: 5’4 - 5’6.5

Below average: 5’7 - 5’9.5

Average: 5’10

Above average: 5’10.5 - 6’1

Tall: 6’1.5 - 6’4

Very tall: 6’4.5 - 6’7

Extremely tall: 6’7.5 - 6’10

Giant: Over 6’10


In my opinion, a guy isn’t truly short unless he’s under 5’7, and isn’t genuinely tall unless he’s over 6’1.


My rankings of the above height ranges from most desirable to least would be:

Tall Very tall Above average Average Below average Extremely tall Giant Short Very short Extremely short Little person

Progking185 said on 10/Jun/25
@Kevin6'0.25 I mainly agree with your chart, I think 6'1.5-6'2 is my "perfect" height, or say around 187 cm. Pretty tall but still kind of within the start of tall range and not standing out much. I've been around there as I'm 6'1.5 or bit over in morning. Legit that height is pretty tall and probably gets called 6'3 or even 6'4 by some hahaha. But I'm close enough at about 6'1 and barely feels like any difference.

Giovannino said on 10/Jun/25
rob a question, a 19 year old boy who wakes up at 7am in the range 186-186.5, in your opinion three/three and a half hours later if he goes to the doctor, so 10/11 am, how much can he measure? I ask you because tomorrow I have a medical visit from the doctor around that time.
thanks a lot Rob

avi said on 9/Jun/25
@c-mo 176-177cm said on 8/Jun/25


Hmmm that's a good point maybe be in a place where average height is more
6'4-6'5 may be suitable IF one wishes to still retain a solid tall position. But then get into being tall just to edge people out not for aesthetics.

But that's a good point
if more men let's say in a place like Holland or Croatia or something are 5'11-6'2 than perhaps 5'8-5'11 like in UK or US then being 6'1-6'2 won't have that effect of being tall.
But as I said it shouldn't matter if certain places 6'1-6'2 is hardly over average.
I think optimal height, imo, is not relative.
No matter where in world 5'11-6'2 zone looks great. I really think that's the optimal range
But as I said golden height is between 6'1-6'2 imo of course can deviate one inch either way IF proportions are good

6'4-6'5 just seems too massive. Even a legit 6'2 is huge

As you point on some people like Manganiello may have a good build for their height (and id rather be him with his build than 5'8 and similar build) but still fact remains at 6'4-6'5 issue smore project to pop up and you lose versatility and grace

Nothing can beat a 5'10-6'1 well built man who is balanced
Building muscle comes easier as well at heights that are closer to average.

As you said proportions are a big factor

So to your answer about being 5'9 better proportioned than 6'2 and not that makes sense because 5'9 and a good build can look damn good vs 6'2 and huge torso or super long legs and lanky
Or as you said about facial attractiveness a HOT 5'9 guy vs 6'1-6'2 and not good face obviously 5'9 with great face will propel them further 6'2



And yes if you are what 5'9.5ish then your 6'2 friend technically won't tower but it will be a large difference as you'd come up to his eyeballs probably if lucky eyebrows.
It probably feels like a large difference but when you see it doesn't look too bad
I haven't seen myself next to anyone that equivalent that be like 6'4.5 almost 6'5 for me. And that's rare to come about and have opportunity to be in picture or by a mirror / glass reflection with them
I had a friend 6'2-6'2.5 max had a pic with him years ago and I looked 2-2.5 shorter
Same footwear.
If he was 2 inches taller I'd be at his eyebrows probably like you are with your friend and I'd say it's a good difference but not a towering difference
Tower to me is 5.5-6 inches need to be



And yes I'm about 183cm - 6'0 flat
I hover between 5'11.8 and 6'0.25

My absolute low may be 5'11.75 but as I was telling Rob I been doing some stretches last 2 years or so hoping to hold 6'0 flat...

It's a decent height but it's not in my view the most optimal

If I was 6'1.5-6'2 I feel like that's what I'd feel most comfortable with
But to someone else they may think 5'11-6'0 is better than 6'2 or even 5'10 is better than 6'1 or whatever.

When I was your height age 16-17 I felt at times even over average. It wasn't like a world of difference when I was 5'9.5-.75 vs 6'0ish maybe because it took a long time for me to get from 5'9.5 to 6'0 into my twenties when I stopped.

So your height is solid. And definitely above average for your ethnicity
And yeah wouldn't worry about your arms or legs.
I too wish I had arms a little longer as they are like 5'9 wingspan
Seems like most my gain after 17-18 was torso
I'd say I'm fairly balanced proportionally. 32 inseam
Legs pretty muscular.

If I grew two inches in my torso I'd probably be considered a short legged 6'2 er ! Lol

What's your wingspan?
Also how tall is your dad and mom?

My dad is 5'9 peak possibly 5'9.2
My mom leak was 5'2 maybe weak 5'2
She's probably 5'1 now

My parental grandfather was supposedly 5'10.5-5'11 range
My maternal grandfather peak under 5'8
And my grandma's and great Grandmas 5'1.5-5'3 zone
I did hear my paternal great grandfather was 6'2ish (so 6'1-6'3 range let's say)
And some great uncles 5'11-6'2
They from war torn Poland

So I guess I can't complain too much...

HackGod10 said on 9/Jun/25
How much height do you think Yeezy slides and foam runners add?

sf181 said on 9/Jun/25
Could Tim Robinson get a page? He's listed 174 cm on IMDB and looks about the same as Paul Rudd in Friendship.

Kevin 6'0.25 said on 9/Jun/25
@Mike190

I'm in the US. I'm basing my height chart off of when I attended a mostly white university about 10 years ago.

Little person: 4'11 and below
Extremely short: 5'0-5'2
Very short: 5'3-5'5
Short: 5'6-5'7
Below average/shortish: 5'8
Low average: 5'9
Average: 5'10
Upper average: 5'11
Above average/tallish: 6'0
Tall: 6'1-6'3
Very tall: 6'4-6'6
Extremely tall: 6'7-6'9
Giant: 6'10+

6'3 and 6'6 are kind of in-between heights that could go in either category but I think there were too many 6'4+ guys at my university for a 6'3 guy to stand out that much. And 6'1 was really the bare minimum to be considered legitimately tall.

As a 6'0 guy, I often felt like I was in purgatory between average and tall while living on campus. Neither here nor there, hence why I gave it its own category. I feel like 5'8 would be a similar gray area kind of height.

rlheight5'11 said on 9/Jun/25
@Rob
I have read the scottish coast is better than Glasgow.

falsehero said on 9/Jun/25
Ron Paul consider any of these people for a page please


Alton Mason - 5’11 (lies 6’2)
Sam Sulek - 5’10
Jesse James West - 5’9.5 (Measured)
Alex Eubanks - ~5’9.5
Bradley Martyn - 6’0 5/8 (lies 6’3)
Togi - 6’0 3/4 - 6’1
Shizzy 6’0 3/4 (lies 6’4)
XQC - 6’0 (proven next to NFL player) (lies 6’2)
Marlon 6’2.5 (claimed 6’6)
Lamine Yamal - ?
Duke Dennis 6’0.5
Hasan 6’2.5 (small head)

Mike190 said on 9/Jun/25
Not sure what happened with my comment there. It's either a formatting issue or I'm being trolled.

labubu said on 9/Jun/25
Big Rob, do you know any ways to raise the height floor? For example, I've heard glucosamine as an option, and/or core strengthening.

I've heard cases of people 'growing' a half inch or so from optimizing posture i.e. yoga, but what do you think?

Kevin 6'0.25 said on 9/Jun/25
@rlheight5'11

Yeah there were a lot of older people for sure. If I walk around the mall I still feel tall but less so and will see more 6'1-6'3 young guys.

On casino floors on the reservations, I feel solid tall range but again it's a lot of older folk.

rlheight5'11 said on 9/Jun/25
@Kevin 6'0.25
I experience that sometimes myself, not as much around the youth though.

Kevin 6'0.25 said on 8/Jun/25
I went shopping at Costco a couple days ago and surprisingly only saw one person taller than me in the 30 minutes or so I was there. Went to a grocery store the next day (granted, I was only there a few minutes) and was tallest person out of maybe a dozen other guys I walked past.

Not the norm for me to see almost nobody than me in public places like that, but I just found it interesting and I think it goes to show that 6ft is still reasonably tall in the US.

bmb said on 8/Jun/25
Rob, would you say from the top of the skull to the eyebrows on average is 4 inches?

Mike190 said on 8/Jun/25
For the in UK/US/CAN/AUS/NZ what would your cutoffs be for little person, extremely short, very short, short, below average, average, high average, tall, very tall, extremely tall, and giant for young men (~20-29 years old)? This is a barefoot late-morning or early afternnon measurement as you would at the doctors office. Mine are as follows:



Little person: 6ft 10

c-mo 176-177cm said on 8/Jun/25
@avi

hmm i personally find 6'5 still good . it is "unnecessarily tall" but still a good height . especially if you live in a tall country . and if you have a heavy frame at 6'5 with a fit body you will look really strong and good . think of someone like joe manganiello . he also has a page here on celebheights

by the way here in our city there is a festival right now and i was nearby today with my friend who is 6'2 and we saw many people and i gave attention to height and compared my height with many men . my height felt very solid . i can say for sure that my height of about 176cm afternoon is not short even here in germany . there are times where my height can feel below average here but in general it is quite a solid height even here

i think my height is about average for my own ethnic group (Kurdish) for a young man .

i also looked at the reflections on windows / doors etc. of my 6'2 and me today and he doesnt tower me or something . he is taller but not as much as making me look short at all . 176-177 is definitely a solid height . just wanted to mention this . i am happy but i would still prefer to be between 179 and 185 afternoon/evening . with my current proportions and body structure ...i am very happy with my proportions and body structure . only my arms are a little too short and i would like to have a little longer legs but other than that i am very happy

you are 183cm evening right ? thats a perfect height . if you have decent proportions it doesnt get better than that to be honest imo


you asked :
"Guess it begs the question would you rather be a well proportioned 5'9 man (balanced legs and torso) or 6'2-6'3 long torso compared to legs, not looking as aesthetic in build?"


i would take to be a well proportioned 5'9 over a not good proportioned 6'2-6'3 . 100% it is not even close . same goes for 5'8 too i think . 5'7 i would have to think about it and i would take a not good proportioned 6'2 over 5'6

i would also take good proportioned 5'10 over good proportioned 6'5 and over and would take good proportioned 5'11 over good proportioned 6'3 and over . and maybe even over 6'2 but unsure on that

Matt N said on 8/Jun/25
My eye level for much of the day fluctuates around the 5’5.5” mark (maybe 5’5 5/8” or so 1-2 hours of out of bed and 5’5 3/8” by the afternoon. By the evening, it is no lower than 5’5.25”). Straight out of bed, my eye level does not exceed 5’6”, and is maybe even a fraction below (5’5 7/8” or so, perhaps 5’5.75” at very lowest?).

The tip of my nose is around 5’4” or fractionally below (perhaps between 5’3.75” and 5’4”) for the bulk of the day, my chin level sits at around 5’1” (although I’m less sure on this one), and my fringe/hairline is around 5’8.5” or fractionally below (slightly above 5’8”, but definitely below 5’9”).

What sort of height range seems plausible for me (I’m male, if it’s relevant) based on these proportions?

Unt0ld said on 8/Jun/25
I believe Sam Sulek is at least 5'9-10 range with potential for over 5'10.

With Arnold Click Here
Seemingly eye level with 5'9.5 measured Jesse James West Click Here
Has at least an inch on Jay Cutler Click Here

Also it's important to note if you watch clips like this that Sam wears super thin sneakers most of the time (I believe this is the same day he met Jesse too) Click Here

What do you think Rob? Potential he could be 5'10?

Wolfy said on 8/Jun/25
Hey @Rob i have to ask if i shoud face a digital stadiometer front or should i turn my back for a better measuerment?
I am around 194 cm when i face front but when i measure from behind i am 189
And i am 193-194 cm

avi said on 8/Jun/25
@Slim1.74m said on 7/Jun/25
@Rob could I recommend pages for Dwight Eisenhower & Harry Truman.

I agree with that!
Both very pivotal presidents

Both a big part of WW2 success as well.


Truman was not 5'9
5'8 seems more likely

Eisenhower I think was 5'10.25-5'10.5 until age 60s or so
With Nixon looked almost same and Nixon was 5'10.5

With Kennedy thought it was 1.5-2 inches shorter but he was in his 70s maybe was down to 5'9.5

5'11james said on 8/Jun/25
Rob, how tall do you think the late Japanese actor Ken Takakura was in his peak? He appeared in films outside of Japan such as “Ridley Scott’s Black Rain” (1989), and “Mr. Baseball” (1992).

He allegedly was 5’11, he’s been listed as that height everywhere on the internet. Even on his Wikipedia page.

Here’s a picture of him when he was in his prime, he gives me an impression that he was in the 5’10-5’11 range. And I don’t think he’d be the type of person to lie about his height if he was questioned.

Click Here

Giovannino said on 8/Jun/25
Hi Rob, how are you? I wanted to ask you something. A friend of mine told me that after 10 hours of restorative sleep, he quickly went to the wall and measured himself using an object on his head, being careful to do it properly. He said that after several measurements to make sure it was accurate, he came out at 6 ft 1 1/4.
After 5–6 hours, though, he drops to 6 ft 1/2.

He asked me: do you think it's accurate to say he's 184 cm in metric, or would it be better to tell people 185 cm?
Thanks so much, Rob, and sorry to bother you.

falsehero said on 7/Jun/25
Hello rob please make a page for these two people

Sean O'Malley

Sam Sulek

Slim1.74m said on 7/Jun/25
@Rob could I recommend pages for Dwight Eisenhower & Harry Truman.

avi said on 7/Jun/25
@c-mo 176-177cm

I come and go on this site
Things get busy
Hope you're doing ok


Yeah I totally agree proportions can be just as important

I really think 6'5 or 6'8 no matter it's just not good heights
It's too large and abnormal for every day living
Maybe if make money from it like basketball and volleyball

And to your point most men those ranges are going to have some facial issues
Or lanky or elongated looking.

There are well built 6'4-6'6 guys I've of seen (rarely) but to be anything in the optimal height range nah it's too much IMO

I'd rather be 6'5 than 5'5 or 5'7 or something though

184-185cm definitely good heights but I think 6'2 is still good
Getting past 6'2 or 188cm area into the 190s cm feel it's not as ideal

I did not see the height for vitruvian thought it was modeled after proportions where did you see it was 5'11 specifically?


But It's not the first time I heard 5'11 as the most aesthetic height
There was some study where 5'11 for man and 5'6 for woman was most optimal height so maybe there's something to that
It's definitely a solid height
But more definitely isn't always better
But if I had to choose right now what height I'd be probably choose 6'1.5 maybe 6'2

It's funny because I wouldn't look much taller probably especially if height in torso

Some people I've seen 6'2-6'4 range sometimes they get the height in the torso more and they don't look that tall

Guess it begs the question would you rather be a well proportioned 5'9 man (balanced legs and torso) or 6'2-6'3 long torso compared to legs, not looking as aesthetic in build?

rlheight5'11 said on 7/Jun/25
5’11” is a good height for men but it’s not all that tbh, still tall enough to look kind of tall until the taller guys come around. Height doesn’t mean strength, I think some want to be well over 6’ to have this super imposing look, it’s not my thing.

Chris Paul said on 7/Jun/25
Hey Rob,
How tall does UFC fighter Alexander Volkov look with Brian Shaw, Eddie Hall, and Shavkat Rakhmonov
Click Here
Click Here

Mike190 said on 7/Jun/25
Rob, in the spirit of the NHL Stanley Cup Finals could you please add some hockey players? I think the GOAT Wayne Gretsky, and the current best player Connor McDavid should be the first on the list.

Gretsky was listed at 6ft, but is allegedly 5ft 11 barefoot.

Here he is with Reagan 1982: Click Here

and here with Trump in 2024: Click Here

McDavid is listed 6ft 1 and I think he looks just under it.

With 6ft 4.5 listed Milos Raonic in 2016: Click Here

and here with Gretsky himself in 2023 who has probably shrunk a fraction in his 60s: Click Here

Tallishguy said on 7/Jun/25
Hi Rob. I’m now 22, turning 23 in 2 months. Through puberty I was not one of the guys with sudden big growth spurts, instead I was growing slowly and steadily. I started measuring myself every year from like 19 to now and every year there were micro gains in height like halfs of centimeter. So when I saw that I was expecting same every year. So now I want to ask you - would it be realistic for me to accept my present height as my final adult height and not expect more?​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

Yongzhong26 said on 7/Jun/25
Hi Rob

How tall would you say Jean-Jacques Burnel from The Stranglers is?

rlheight5'11 said on 7/Jun/25
@Rob
I would prefer to move to a quiet town rather than live in the city. From research, some towns have surprisingly handy shops and cafes, even takeaways.

Anon 184.5 said on 6/Jun/25
Hey Rob, great to see the comments back on. Hope all is well. I’m interested casually in the bodybuilding scene and two up and comers I’d like to see listed would be Urs Kalecinski and Sam Sulek. I have heard Urs (German) claim “5’11” and a quarter” in a youtube video. I think Sam has claimed 5’11”. He looks a little shorter than Urs. Recently I discovered threads online suggesting Sam was as short as 5’8 to 5’9 so I wanted to hear your expert opinion. Thanks - A

MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 6/Jun/25
There's a lot of people on here and in general that would rather be super tall than short. Give me 5'6 or 5'7 anyday over 6'8 or 6'9. At an average of 5'9.5ish though id rather be extremely tall than extremely short, I'd rather be 6'7 than 5'0.

c-mo 176-177cm said on 5/Jun/25
@avi

hi mate . hope you are well too

in my opinion 6'5 is still a pretty good height . not ideal but still good . i even find up to 6'8 decent if you can pull it off . and it is better than being short for sure

in my experience 5'11 - 180cm looks actually the best as i said often before . it is the most aesthetic height and i think there is a reason why the vitruvian man is 180cm

however the problem with 180cm as i said is that when very tall men are around you will look a bit short next to them . but i would still count 179-180cm as an ideal height

but IF you have good proportions and a good build and good facial / skull aeshtetics then the ULTIMATE height is around 184-185cm . nothing beats a harmonic looking 184-185cm

so for me the ideal range is something like 179 - 185 at nighttime

186 - 191 is also phenomenal if you can pull it off . but a good proportioned and good looking 175cm is better than a taller height with bad proportions and not so good looks

to make it simple i would list height like this : (assumed that the proportions and face is good at every height)



all night heights :

172cm = meh . not (really) bad but slightly short

175cm = decent height

178cm = good height

181cm = very good height

184cm = perfect height

Gerald S said on 5/Jun/25
Rob, what’s your estimate on Ginger Baker’s peak?

Has been described as 6’4” in places but from what I’ve seen, 6’2” or less seems more arguable.