General Height

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Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 6/Dec/19

Lol, what? It's only a 1/4 difference, it's practically invisible. What are you talking about?
Greg said on 6/Dec/19
@Person111 that’s where you’re wrong, look at what Christian and I said most people’s experience isn’t what your experience is you’re being selectively bias towards taller people and there being a greater average when you don’t realize that the average is actually less than 5’10, there’s really no point in arguing with you because you fail to understand that the male average isn’t 5’10 outside of certain European countries.
Nik Ashton said on 6/Dec/19
I just wish the world was so biased about short heights, I mean there are a lot more short people in the world than tall people! This is so cool!
AndrewV said on 6/Dec/19
Rob, what are your thoughts on average height in the US? Specifically, do you think the CDC's 5'9" national average and 5'10" mean for young white men is accurate enough to get a realistic picture of height distribution among Americans?
Nik Ashton said on 6/Dec/19
@ Bobby - Are there a greater proportion of younger people in Toronto than other Canadian places?
Nik Ashton said on 6/Dec/19
@ Rob - It’s looking good for me then, I live on the pages of your site!
AndrewV said on 6/Dec/19

Why would these stats be overestimated? They're measured, barefoot heights rounded to the nearest tenth of a centimeter. Even if you were to claim these were morning heights (the time at which these measurements were taken is not specified), it still would only account for maybe half a cm of a difference since most of your morning height is gone within a couple hours of out of bed. I've never been to the Czech Republic, but I recall several other posters on here who either have visited or live there and they also similarly reported a 5'11" average for young guys there. A 5'10"-6'0" average range for Czech men would be accurate, it's not hard to imagine a 5'11" average for young Czechs at all. It just so happens that the Czechs, along with a handful of Northern European and Balkan nationalities, are among the tallest people in the world.

I never said most Americans in general are 5'9"-5'11", I was referring to White American men specifically. The most common heights for Americans broadly would be 5'8"-5'10" going by the 5'9" national average.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 6/Dec/19
@ Rob - Jenny has a crackin' sense of humour, and I see she's a devotee of JRR Tolkien's work as well. So is my Jim! 😁👍
Editor Rob

I think you have to have a good sense of humour to live with me for 12 years 🥴😍
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 6/Dec/19
I didn't say your nationality is French, I'm just comparing you to a former poster here named French Guy, who made outlandish claims like the average height in France being 185, or that being anything under 180 in Europe is short. I don't mean to sound rude, but 6'2" for Sweden is just ridiculous, and I think you have cognitive bias towards seeing taller people.

Me being over 6'5" doesn't mean I'm unable gauge heights that are 5'10" or lower. I can easily still tell the difference between a 5'10" and a 5'9" guy, but I do understand where you're coming from, in that people who're near their own height range, can guess their height easier. And I don't think that anyone here is discounting your experiences any more than mine. You may feel that the average is 5'10" in your area, but that's probably because the average is taller there, just like the average feels more 5'8" where I live. And I also agree with what you said to Bobby, in that the minority population doesn't affect the average white height, just the overall average height. The only thing I have to disagree though, is that the average white American male is 5'10". I believe it's more 5'9.5" (and it's not just my own experiences, but knowing how height stats are operated) A good rule of thumb is to deduct around 1cm from the recorded average, so if white men are recorded to be 178 for example, it's more like 177.
khaled taban said on 6/Dec/19
@AndrewV , there is no way in hell that Canadian white average is 5'10" , they are shorter than Americans , and even the White Americans average is not the full 5'10" , It's nearly 5'9.5" , maybe 5'9.7" . I live in the US btw.
I'd sum it up , Americans genetic height is nearly 5'10" and It won't increase significantly ,unless their nutrition system changes entirely and that's very unlikely.
Nik Ashton said on 6/Dec/19
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Nik Ashton said on 6/Dec/19
@ Bobby - In fact there is a human bias for people to do this!
Person111 said on 6/Dec/19
@Bobby – I’m not discounting your experience; your experience is true to you. I’m saying your experience is not representative of the national average because most cities are not 80% minority. Most people don’t live in 80% minority cities, thus they more frequently encounter average and taller people than you do.
Nik said on 5/Dec/19
@ Bobby - Most people focus on taller heights!
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 5/Dec/19
@ Bego - I've let the cat out of the bag many, many times! I'm not in the mood to do so now, so I will exercise my lady's prerogative and keep my mouth shut! 🤐
Editor Rob
Well you are definitely younger than Jenny's admission.
Greg said on 5/Dec/19
@Sean William Winter I guess it varies, I know a lad who had a growth spurt larger than Big Lewis and he’s about 2 inches or so taller than him. The only difference between Lewis and him is Lewis had taller parents this kids parents are 5’9 and 5’5 so you wouldn’t expect him to grow to the 6’3 range, Lewis is now 6’1.25 I believe he might get to 6’2 or so. Me on the other hand I was a late bloomer and stopped growing at 18. I knew a kid who Had a 6’2 father not sure about mother but I was taller than him freshman year but he passed me by sophomore/junior year he is around 6’2 I believe although rain thin so wouldn’t surprise be if he was a weaker 6’2 or 6’1.5.
Greg said on 5/Dec/19
@AndrewV In reality young Czech guys are most likely 5’10ish, not 5’11, those measured stats are usually a little overestimated that’s why I take off a 1-2cm that brings you closer to the result so for example if they got 180cm that would mean average for them is basically 178-179cm which sounds more likely than not so if we go by that. 5’10 would be 50th percent, 5’11 and 6’0 would not be as common as say 5’10 and even that is in question. You say 5’9-6’0 is common for Americans, but that can’t be right. It seems you’re overestimating a lot of these values. Common heights are like 5’8-5’9 not 5’9-6’0 or up to 6’1 that’s insanity.
AndrewV said on 5/Dec/19
Here in the US, people who are intermixed with minority groups generally identify as multi-racial or with the ethnic group of their minority parent, not white. Thus, they'd be counted either as "Other", two or more races, or as whatever group they identify as on medical records and census data. People who identify as non-Hispanic White are usually not intermixed with non-European ancestry unless they can "pass" for white in society's eyes. With that said, you have your opinion and I have mine, it just so happens that the 5'10" mean for white guys from basically every anthropometric study done by the military and CDC happens to line up with my own personal experience. Toronto may very well be different in that regard, but even Canadian medical data seems to suggest a 5'10" average for White Canadian guys.
Cedric 172 cm said on 5/Dec/19
There is a big difference between 5'5.5" guys and 5'5.75" guys. Look in "celeb my height" and you can see what i tell you.
QM6'1QM said on 5/Dec/19
mrfunnyguy said on 5/Dec/19

It's irrational comment, seriously, i love good opinions from poster.
mrfunnyguy said on 5/Dec/19
@QM6'1QM I really love your jokes too, really.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 5/Dec/19

Okay, but then your experiences don't discount mine either, in that same spirit.

I think they do, lots of people are mixed here. The ones that don't tend to be from hardcore traditionalist families and that's quite seldom these days. That skews the average height and you'd need to readjust your parameters on who is "white" these days. It matters a lot on how many minorities there are if everyone starts mixing like a melting pot, then it's no longer a "white" average, it's just an average.

It's not a shorter city than most, it's just what it is. Given Toronto is a major city itself, I don't believe what you're saying. It just so happens there are fewer whites here than there are minorities. Now maybe my experiences are biased, but I don't know too many German, Dutch, Irish, Italian, Greek, Spanish and whatever else have you, people on campus. And the one who did say she was Irish looked very Asian to me. So, go figure out what that means if you dare.

Maybe, but that's only true in Europe, not here. The demographics are too mixed to reliably conclude one average over another. It's a multicultural country after all.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 5/Dec/19

Actually, it makes a lot of sense. Many groups of people are intermixed these days when you have minorities and "white" people starting families, the short genes get passed around and this lowers the average height. I can really only believe a 5'10 average for European males, but not for North American males. Also, it's fully possible that people measure in the morning or in the early hours, say, 2 hours out of bed rather than 5 hours. Additionally, rounding could be in effect as well, like if someone gets measured at 5'9.75, naturally, that gets rounded to 5'10 because the difference is negligible and because it's closer to 5'10 than 5'9. So, when you say 5'10 average, what you really mean to say is 5'10 range because depending on who you ask, that could mean different things. You could have someone that is 5'9.5 claiming 5'10 and 5'10.5 claiming 5'10 (although the latter would be claiming 5'11 most likely if they're honest), so even though they're an inch apart in stature, they're both equal distance from the height they're claiming. Additionally, I really can't buy an average higher than 176cm for white males here in North America. The 5'10 average might be a morning height (which itself isn't a false measurement).
Sean william Winter said on 5/Dec/19
Click Here see in males peak hieght growth is usually 13 and 1/2. this is only if your start puberty at 12 if your a late bloomer then this chart wont b accurate at peak 8mm growth per month or 3- 4 inches pear year. by 18 is pretty much zero. also rob big lewis from 16 to 17. gained 3 inches in hieght. is above average. for this age. late bloomer plus tall parents.
Sean william Winter said on 5/Dec/19
rob my 14 yr old cousin is about 5ft 5 mother is 5ft 6 and dad is about 5ft 9 how tall will he likely be.
Editor Rob
On average you'd expect near Dad's range, but height is a funny thing, there's some unexpected growth or lack of growth that occurs.
AndrewV said on 5/Dec/19
@Christian 6'5 3/8"

The point isn't that white millennials are taller than previous generations (they're not), only that white male height has stagnated at 5'10" since the 1970s and 1980s. If you look at the CDC's anthropometric reports, you'll find that the difference between young white men (20-39) and middle-aged white men (40-59) is marginal, both average around 5'10". White men over 60 average lower at 175.2cm mainly due to height shrinkage that comes with old age. If you read the CDC's methodology, they used barefoot measurements. Even if one were to account for morning and early day measurements, the difference is likely marginal since you lose most of your morning height within the first hour out of bed.

That doesn't make sense, minority groups bringing down the general male average wouldn't make the average for white males any lower. You said it yourself, minorities skew the average downward to 5'9" so it's pretty reasonable to assume that white guys are taller than that.

Young Czech guys have averaged 180cm-181cm since the early 2000s, so the most common heights there for young men would be 5'10-6'0", not 5'9-5'11" like White Americans: Click Here
QM6'1QM said on 5/Dec/19
mrfunnyguy said on 5/Dec/19

I really love your jokes. Really.
Sakz said on 5/Dec/19
@184/185cm Pretty much. The fact that you're taller than over 80% of people alone tells you what you need to know.

@Brown Chances are you're a weak 5'11 so somewhere around 5'10.75. It's best to measure yourself though because you can't always rely on facial proportions.
K.A said on 5/Dec/19
Are you not ashamed of wearing lifts?
I mean you shouldn't even feel insecure about your height if you are really 6 foot barefoot.
mrfunnyguy said on 5/Dec/19
@Christian 6'5 3/8" I'm a swedish guy, although people have said to me that I look like I'm french lol.
Person111 said on 5/Dec/19
@Bobby – he’s too far away from 5’10 to accurately gauge that height range. Plus one individual person’s experiences don’t discount my experiences.

I know minorities affect the general average height – I said they don’t affect the average white height. You said the white average can't be 5'10 because there's too many minorities. That doesn't make sense - it doesn’t matter how many minorities there are. The white average is unaffected.

You don’t believe the 5’10 average because your experiences of height are not representative of the national average. Since you believe your city is 80% minority, you live in a shorter city than most.

If people here are so hell-bent on believing the 5’9 average (minorities bring the average down), it’s not far-fetched to believe the white average would be taller than that. Whites are not the same average height as minorities, so a statistic that removes minorities would bring the average up.
Canson said on 4/Dec/19
@Greg: ah. The drivers license. The best and most accurate source of info lol. So I mentioned the other day about a guy 5’7 at absolute best list 5’10” and I saw it standing in line at the convenient store. Then a friend of mine is 5’10.5 and use to claim 5’11.5 but was listed at 6’1” when I first met him. I told him he wasn’t 5’11.5. Turns out he’s not. But He was open about not being 6’1” and he didn’t claim the 6’1 when someone asked him and didn’t inflate anyone else. So I can respect him more for it. He has 6’0” on his license last time we saw it and he at least claims 5’11” these days. He’s around your height. Maybe he’d edge you by up to 1/4 or could be your same height. At least he doesn’t claim 6’0/6’1 like the other guy your height that I mentioned. I could add examples like that as to why people think you’re 6’0 or 6’1 and why people believe that someone your height without seeing them first is short when they hear 5’10/5’11” even though it’s a little above average
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 4/Dec/19

Yeah, almost 4 inches is a big difference in male height, so I wouldn't lump in a 5'7 guy with a 5'11 let alone a 5'10 guy even. I guess with Nik because he's under 5'8, that he's used to his stature and focuses more on shorter heights than he does on taller heights.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 4/Dec/19
Mrfunnyguy is just another French Guy (the poster who said that 185 for France is average). Either they're trolling or they're that deluded. I think Mrfunnyguy is also the same one who said that Sweden's average is 6'2", lmao.

The East Coast (unless if it's a major city like NY) is noticeably taller than where I live though. Georgia and the Carolinas feel around 5'9", and so does Mid Atlantic and New England, although I haven't been to every state on the East Coast.

That's really not the case. The West has stagnated in height for decades, so millenials aren't any taller than middle aged people. I can't say for 100% certain that the average white millenial isn't 5'10", but there's a greater chance of them being under it than over. Height stats are only so much reliable, because they usually don't exclude morning or early day measurements, and as Greg mentioned, sometimes shoe measurements are included in the stats as well. And then there's the possibility of slightly overmeasuring as well. (I had that once happen to me by a nurse while on a stadiometer, and she overmeasured me by about 0.5cm)
Progking said on 4/Dec/19
@QM6'1QM, 2.5 inches is enough to be the very start of tall, for example. A 6'0.5 guy I would consider tall as in general he is 3.5 inches over the average, which is quite significant. And among younger guys he still just makes it to the tall range.

I was wearing some lift in my shoes the other day, I was 6'2-6'2.25 in shoes then(I'm normally 6'0 or a little over barefoot) I didn't pass by that many guys when I was out but still felt solid tall when walking around. 6'1 is taller than many people make it out to be, i know of 6'1 guys who are thought of as 6'3 and it kind of makes sense. Last year I experimented with bigger lifts that got me closer to 6'3 in shoes and felt a bit towering when walking around my university, there were of course sometimes taller white guys around but I didn't feel towered by them. So 6'0-6'2 is plenty tall enough and an ideal height
Lacpsy said on 4/Dec/19
Hey rob
My lowest height is 171.3 at evening. What would you say my height is (the height that would be measured at the doctor office)? Would it be appropriate to say my height is around 5"8?
Thank you
Editor Rob
You will be 5ft 8 range out of bed. 5ft 8 would be more a morning range for yourself.

5ft 7.5 might be an afternoon height for you.

Whatever you claim, one thing is true - as long as you aren't giving a height in shoes or adding an inch, then it's a lot more reasonable than over 50% of the population who seem to inflate or give height in shoes.
Bego said on 4/Dec/19
@Miss Sandy Cowell How old are you?
Brown said on 4/Dec/19
How tall am I exactly?

If 5’8 is just a little over my eyebrow and my eye level is 5’65’7 but 5’10 (177cm) is nearer the top of my forehead??
I feel like I am over 5’10 but not quite 5’11
6ft is not too far from me either, I think I’m 6ft In shoes
Bego said on 4/Dec/19
@184/185 We are exactly same height xd
Eerwsd said on 4/Dec/19
Rob how much height would you estimate air max 95's give?
Editor Rob
One I checked in JD Sports was 3.6cm range
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 4/Dec/19

Minorities do affect the general average height though, and on average, it's no higher than 5'9 and not under 5'8. So, I'd say 5'8.5 feels average on the streets of Toronto for men. I really, strongly, doubt that the average white male is 5'10. When I was in Athens, Greece, I saw shorter guys than guys my height or taller while at the beach, and that's in keeping with tourists as well. Now in super thick crowds at the Acropolis, I felt the average height, maybe slightly above it, but that's because everybody there was white, from other parts of Europe. But in Europe, a 5'10 average is more credible, but not in North America.

I really can't buy that 5'10 is common in North America, only in Europe can you expect to see those heights more often.
mrfunnyguy said on 4/Dec/19
@Jdubbz Among young ethnical swedish guys, you would definitely not be very tall but of course on the tall side yes.
I see without any doubt women 185+ all the time, yes. It's more common among women in the age 30-50 for some reason though, and not quite as often among young girls. Maybe it's because they are on diets all the time when they still grow, I don't know.

I agree with you that it's more common with guys in the 200-205cm range than 185cm girls, though both are pretty common in my country despite what everyone here say.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 4/Dec/19

No, he's correct in what he's saying. Of course, you wouldn't discount his opinion, would you? He's a strong 6'5, after all.
Brown said on 4/Dec/19
Is 179cm a weak 5’11?
mrfunnyguy said on 4/Dec/19
@Greg The thing is that I have thought that I maybe am not as tall as I think, but I have measured myself on different places and with different measuring tools, and I always get that I'm 185.5 cm in the evening. Today I walked down a street in Stockholm, and counted how many guys I saw who were taller and how many were shorter. 7 out of 10 (!!!) were taller than me.
QM6'1QM said on 4/Dec/19
Nik, no, just no. Because 3.75 inches is a big difference between male height.
Yes, millions men are under 165 cm, but generally is a pretty short mark and you know it. I mean people does fighting between "is 6ft short or tall ?" (really stupid discussion - madness) and you claims ***cm don't look short. Nowadays society are strange/scary/brainless community and we get these comments about heights, weights, faces and many more. You know it, Nik.
My opinion: 2.5-75in is line of short, average and tall heights. Being under 170 cm you're common not tall for a people. And being under 165 cm - definitely short.
I'm really glad to be an tall guy, because "our" society doesn't comments my height being tough and creepy!

Sad but true.
Person111 said on 4/Dec/19
@Bobby - Stats Canada is much more credible than personal experience. Most North American cities are around 50% minorities, so most people's experiences regarding height is closer to mine than yours. In most North American cities, even with 50% minorities, 5'9-6'0 men and 5'4-5'8 women are literally everywhere.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 4/Dec/19
@ Nik - The reason we travelled across Holland was to get to Hamburg in Germany to see my German Grandmother. I was interested in height when I was little and the effect it had on how people treated you. I had to wait until I was 9 before the new intake of 'first-years' contained kids smaller than me and when I was 10 - BINGO! There were two tiny girls, one with red hair, who was a friendly extrovert and another little girl called Linda with short, brown hair, who took a little bit longer to come out of her shell. When she did, she couldn't wait to come round to our class on errands because she knew she'd get a very welcome reception. At 11, of course, I was in the senior school and looking up again to the older kids and many in my class to boot!

Have a great day Nik and the same to your Mum. Here's a mixed bunch of assorted flowers for her: 🌷💐🏵️🌺🌹
Jdubbz said on 4/Dec/19

Feeling shortish or often the shortest member of the group at 185.5cm? Does that mean that I'd only be above average or tallish at 197cm? I know Sweden's average is probably a little higher than many people here say it is, but that just can't be right. Also, you see 185cm+ girls on the street every time you go out? Though I live in the US, I'd say that I live in a fairly tall area, and 6'1+ girls are super rare. I see 200-205cm guys more often than I do 185cm girls, let alone 188-190cm ones. Tbh, what you're describing sounds like it'd be the case in the very tallest areas of NL or even the Dinaric Alps. Otherwise, you might be misjudging others heights. I'm not going to say that you're not as tall as you claim since you said you have measured to the mm, so idk what else can be the case. What you said is unbelievable to me.
184/185cm said on 3/Dec/19
Hey guys, I think one thing we forget to take into account when considering if a guy is tall is the fact girls are much smaller. In the USA a 184cm or solid “6ft” dude is on average taller than 82/100 men and 100/100 women. Only 3% of women are over 175cm, 50% of men are under 176, 75% of men are under 180, only 7% are over 187 and only 3% are over 190. Using these I’ll describe how it feels going to the shops and why I think a legitimate 6ft is tall, feels and tall and gets called tall

an 184cm dude in the USA/Australia goes to the shops and encounters 100 people.

Out of those 100 people

74 people he encountered he was a lot taller than
49women and 25men

13 people he encountered he knew was taller than but not by a large amount (12 men, 1 women)

9 people were tricky for him to judge/tell who was taller (all men)

4 people were definetley taller, but only 1 of those, maybe 2, actually made him feel small (men)

So 75% of the time he felt a lot taller than the person, 13% he just felt taller than (88% of the time he feels taller than the other person) 9% he felt of a similar height, 3% he knew the person was a bit taller, 1% or 1 guy actually made him feel small/short, but this guy stuck out above the crowd a lot

This is pretty accurate to how I feel in australia where the average height is very similar to the USA and I get called tall by people frequently, not oh my god how’s the weather up there tall, but, dam your tall or “your pretty tall” people often guess I’m 6ft 2 or 6ft 1, I think this is also due to many men between 175 and 181 claiming 6ft when they are not. For reference I checked my height last week and I’m 185.0cm morning and 183.5-184.0cm at night depending on how hard the days has been
Person111 said on 3/Dec/19
“Toronto really can't be considered Eurocentric, so considering a 5'10 average here for white guys makes no sense.”

@Bobby – That makes no sense. Even if Toronto was 0.1% white, that doesn’t mean the average white male there can’t be 5’10. Minorities don’t affect the average white height.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 3/Dec/19
In 2019, it might be higher like 55% or 60%, but no way 1%. Bobby may just live and work in an area that has a very high percentage of minorities.

The average for young and middle aged white/black men in America might be 5'9.5". I'm not convinced that it's tall as 5'10" or short as 5'9".

In the place where I live though, the stats pretty much match up with my own observations. But my place is pretty mixed, whereas East LA is mostly Hispanic, South Central's mostly Hispanic and black, and northern and western LA is majority white and Asian, with a few Hispanics sprinkled in. Hispanics are the majority population of LA though, based on my observations and stats.
Canson said on 3/Dec/19
@The Bat: in the States where I live I would say more 5’9” flat as a best case. Maybe it’s a more urban area as a contributing factor to The lower average. Christian and I are on opposite ends of the US and it seems to be similar on the West Coast as it is on the East Coast
Canson said on 3/Dec/19
mrfunnyguy said on 2/Dec/19
@Canson Well, I'm exactly 185.5 cm (give or take a millimeter), and I often feel shortish in Sweden. I've been called short by a girl and I'm pretty often the shortest among a group of friends. I see girls taller than me all the time when i'm in Stockholm, and by all the time I mean that I walk around a street downtown and at every moment I can see atleast one girl taller than me.

Wow. If that’s really your true height and an afternoon height, you’d get 6’2-6’3 regularly here in the states. Maybe the population is taller where you live
Grayloth said on 3/Dec/19
"mrfunnyguy said on 2/Dec/19
@Canson Well, I'm exactly 185.5 cm (give or take a millimeter), and I often feel shortish in Sweden. I've been called short by a girl and I'm pretty often the shortest among a group of friends. I see girls taller than me all the time when i'm in Stockholm, and by all the time I mean that I walk around a street downtown and at every moment I can see atleast one girl taller than me."

I have argued with you a couple of times before and more or less proved that the average height is around 181 cms for ethnic swedish men but you still don't seem to believe me and think there is some kind of huge conspiracy. Up until 10 years ago, when military drafting was obligatory, the average 18 year-old guy measured somewhere btw 180-180,5 cms.
And now, 10 years later it magically has increased to 186 you say?

I have lived in Stockholm for three years and been there many times both before and after that, and I can say with certainty that they are around the same height as everyone else in Sweden, give or take a cm. I can't say if the average is 180, 181 or 182 cms but it's somewhere around those figures and nowhere near 186 cms. And also, seeing women who's above 180 cms is rare.

I am not saying this to be mean or something, but I suggest you should see a psychologist because honestly you don't seem well mentally. And that is saying alot coming from someone else who's height fixated and hanging on this site with other people who also are overly fixated with height.
Nik Ashton said on 3/Dec/19
@ Bobby - Your reply to me on 30/Nov/19 should be on billboards everywhere. 👌😇!

Effort and doing something nice for someone are more important than height, the house, car, swimming pool, etc.
Greg said on 3/Dec/19
@Canson also there used to be a guy who was about 6’6 range more or less that went to my gym and he was the tallest guy there apart from this other 6’8-6’9 guy but I wonder what he claimed and how tall people guessed him as. If was a friendly dude he wasn’t super heavy but wasn’t lanky I think he had a decent weight for his frame but I remember he had a good personality and was always talking to people.
Greg said on 3/Dec/19
@Canson that’s because it’s easier to lie in imperial system as opposed to the metric, I means that’s not to say a 1.75 guy can’t list himself as 1.80 but I feel like it would be tougher too, especially in person. Most guys do guess me to be at least 5’11 range-6’0 I’ve even gotten 6’1 and 6’2 before by really short women which even surprised me. Then again I do have a long wingspan and good proportions (short torso and long arms and legs) which makes me look taller. Moreover, I believe anything over 5’6 is basically tallish for a girl so once we have someone like 5’7+ or even nearing in 5’8 as I believe your wife is the same height as Jenny so their height would be tall for a woman of course. I’ve only met 3 women who where taller than me in in my City. One of them edged me the other rounded down from 5’11.5 to 5’11 but I could tell she was closer to 6’0. She even told me before the doctors had her closer to 6’0 but she’s insecure about being tall so she says 5’11, she could even be like 5’11.6-5’11.7 the other was like 6’0.5 territory she also rounds down to 6’0 but initially claimed 6’1 I think some women just get really insecure although I’ve witnessed women inflate from time to time. The drivers license is where a lot of guys try to fraud the most, from my friend group to like random guys I’ve happen to see their ID’s I was just surprised. I mean bouncers must really get a kick out of looking at ID’s and noticing some guys lie by several inches lol. I remember back in October I was involved in an accident and when looking at the guys information I noticed he had 5’10 and he was no more than Robs height if any taller. Rob most likely gets guessed at 5’9-5’10 I even seen some comments on his videos telling him to claim 5’9. The thing is most guys around 5’9-5’11 just say they are 6’0, not even 5’11.5-5’11.75 territory I’m talking about guys who are a flat 5’11 or worse 5’9-5’10 and claim 6’0 which is why most people have no idea what a legit 5’10-6’0 guy looks like. I think when the majority of people think of 5’11 they think of 5’9 I noticed that just the other day I mentioned how a 5’9ish guy had 6’1 on his license as I noticeably towered him in boots lmao. Also 6’2.5-.75 guys claim 6’4-6’5 and I know a few 6’3 guys who say they are like 6’5 and it doesn’t help that 6’4 and 6’5 is taller than most guys so like people already are going to overestimate. That’s why I’m shocked when I hear someone claim an honest mark even if it’s an earlier measurement rather than an inflation they can’t ever measure close to.
Greg said on 3/Dec/19
@mrfunnyguy sorry to break it to you but you are measuring in reverse inches 6’1 you would feel tall in Sweden you are not 6’1, you must be 5’7.5 if you feel short 🤕.
Greg said on 3/Dec/19
@Christian well said mate, it’s funny how people like person and AndrewV are quick to hop on that 5’10 average for white males band wagon yet what they fail to consider is that 5’10 is actually above average outside of European countries and say Nordic ones. There it would actually be low to slightly below average for example amongst Young Dutch Men.
Nik Ashton said on 3/Dec/19
@ QM6’1QM - So what! I’m always seeing women (of different heights) taller than men (of different heights) with/ around them.

5’5” is only potentially 3.75” under average, this means 6’0.5” must be a very tall height if 5’5” is a very small one. Men of 5’5” don’t look that short either, millions of men are under 5’5” too and this is cool.
Person111 said on 3/Dec/19
@Christian 6'5 3/8 - You completely misread my comment. I never said the national average is 5'10. I said the average for specifically white male millennials (that's the demographic of most of the posters here) is 5'10. The national average is 5'9, the white male millennial average is 5'10.

@Greg - you said most white guys you see are 5'7-5'9 and most white women are 5'2-5'5. That absolutely is a short area. Those heights sound like you live in Latin America, the region renowned for being shorter. I never said you said you're taller than every guy you see. Try again.
Nik Ashton said on 3/Dec/19
🗣😬👌😁 Error Report! 😁👌😬🗣

I meant very short is like 5’3”.
Nik Ashton said on 3/Dec/19
@ Bobby - True, but very short is like 5’4”!
Nik Ashton said on 3/Dec/19
@ Canson - You are very welcome!
mrfunnyguy said on 3/Dec/19
@Lell I stopped growing when I was 17, which is pretty ing early despite what everyone will say. Every dude I encounter either in real life or on the internet say they stopped growing between 19 and 22.
Bobby 5'10 (1.78m) said on 3/Dec/19

I don't believe Toronto is 50% white people. I see too many minorities for that statistic to be true. I think there's a minimum of 20% and no more than 30% of white people. Toronto is definitely not a Eurocentric population. As for it being a short area, definitely not. I literally live an hour from the downtown area via public transit.
Vsquad said on 3/Dec/19
But I guess the thing with my coworker is that if he's really only 6'1/186 cm, then IMO that proves to me that 6'1 is solidly tall PERIOD. Because every time I see him and no matter where we are, he looks like a big guy.

We were at a party with a bunch of 6'3 - 6'4+ guys, and people were still coming up to us and telling him how "tall" he was at some point in the conversation.
Nik Ashton said on 3/Dec/19
@ Sandy Cowell - I can imagine that Holland is a little bit like Norfolk, it must have been interesting to travel from one end of the country to another in a day! Holland must be such a pretty country, I’ve never been lucky enough to go myself!

I never paid any attention to height when I was younger and when you are a child your perception is not very good and you do have to look up a long way to see the top of someone’s head!

The tallest two countries are Holland and Basketballland!

Cheers Sandy, all the best to you and your loved ones too!

🌷🌷🌷! Here are some flowers from my Mum to you!
Vsquad said on 3/Dec/19
I'm 6ft, and was hanging out with a coworker who I originally thought was 6'2. He told me he's actually 186 cm/6'1 which surprised me. I told him I was 184 cm and he was also surprised, because he thought I was taller than him.

The weird thing was that he was wearing Air Force 1s while I was just wearing Stan Smiths (which I've had for a year).

I'm just glad I'm not the only one who has trouble telling 1 inch differences lol. To me, 5'11 guys always seem taller than me from my perspective unless we look in a mirror together.
Nik Ashton said on 3/Dec/19
@ Bobby - You are never far away from a short guy in many parts of England, in fact they’re everywhere. This is super cool!
Nik Ashton said on 3/Dec/19
I’ve heard rumours that most men in Toronto are under 5’7”.
Emil said on 3/Dec/19

Lately I've been measuring myself on hard tile floors as opposed to old wooden floors as I've normally done. Apparently I'm 3 mm over my normal low (183.1 cm instead of 182.8) and morning height out of bed (185.5 instead of 185.2) - I've checked that the floors were straight.
Should I claim 184 or should I still go with 183?
Editor Rob
184 is your kind of medium height, 183 your low.

It really is up to yourself what to claim. Whilst I don't like to claim a height I fall under (like 174cm), others with my stats might well claim 174...
c-mo said on 3/Dec/19
usually I get guessed as 180cm but today I was guessed as 174cm . oh noooooooo
Canson said on 2/Dec/19
@Greg: I always wonder why couldn’t they be as honest here as they are in Europe? Here a 5’10-11 range guy like yourself throughout the day is considered 6’0 to an unsuspecting, unaware, or naive individual. They devalue 5’10-5’11 and 6’. So by deduction, people consider 5’11 (5’9 range in reality) average for a male when the look itself is but the false definition isn’t. And in reality You’re above average in your case even being a strong 5’10” in the afternoon 5’10.25-.5 and In reality a legit 6’ is a sufficiently tall individual. But It’s sad and That’s why people think a solid 5’9” is short here in the States when it’s not. It’s very neutral height and someone that height is still taller than the start of “tall” for a woman. My wife is 5’7.75 and I consider her to be fairly tall for a woman as I consider that to start around her height. Around 5’8”. You would see someone Bobby’s height considered 5’11 here and be told they’re right around average whereas it may have a different look in Canada or in Europe. Here they would call me 6’6 and Christian 6’7” and think that those heights are more common than they are when little do they know that our actual barefoot heights 6’4 and change and 6’5 and change aren’t as common as people think let alone what they would assess us in correlation with someone’s falsehood. I bet if Rob lived here, he would be guessed 5’9-5’10 easily. Ive seen some real winners. I’ve seen guys shorter than him (one at 5’7”) list himself 5’10 on his license before. I caught it when we were in line at 7 Eleven and I knew the guy. He pulled his license out and He’s shorter than my wife who lists herself at 5’8”. To his credit he admitted he’s not 5’10”. He called himself 5’8” too after he was pressed about it but he still lied in that he’s Max 5’7”. Maybe even weak 5’7” since she’s about an inch taller
Canson said on 2/Dec/19
@Greg: I always wonder why couldn’t they be as honest here as they are in Europe? Here a 5’10-11 range guy like yourself throughout the day is considered 6’0 to an unsuspecting, unaware, or naive individual. They devalue 5’10-5’11 and 6’. So by deduction, people consider 5’11 (5’9 range in reality) average for a male when the look itself is but the false definition isn’t. And in reality You’re above average in your case even being a strong 5’10” in the afternoon 5’10.25-.5 and In reality a legit 6’ is a sufficiently tall individual. But It’s sad and That’s why people think a solid 5’9” is short here in the States when it’s not. It’s very neutral height and someone that height is still taller than the start of “tall” for a woman. My wife is 5’7.75 and I consider her to be fairly tall for a woman as I consider that to start around her height. Around 5’8”. You would see someone Bobby’s height considered 5’11 here and be told they’re right around average whereas it may have a different look in Canada or in Europe. Here they would call me 6’6 and Christian 6’7” and think that those heights are more common than they are when little do they know that our actual barefoot heights 6’4 and change and 6’5 and change aren’t as common as people think let alone what they would assess us in correlation with someone’s falsehood. I bet if Rob lived here, he would be guessed 5’9-5’10 easily. I’ve seen guys shorter than him (one at 5’7”) list himself 5’10 on his license before. I caught it when we were in line at 7 Eleven and I knew the guy. He’s shorter than my wife
Canson said on 2/Dec/19
Nik Ashton said on 1/Dec/19
@ Canson - You are a very rounded poster!

Thanks Nik!
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 2/Dec/19
To say that most major North American cities are 5'10" on average is completely false. LA and New York for example, are no more than 5'8.5" range. I'm especially sure about LA because I live there. The suburb of LA where I live, is roughly 40% white, 30% Asian, 25% Latino, and 5% black. So it's a roughly 55% minority city (I don't consider blacks to be minorities in this case because they're virtually the same height as whites), and the average feels 5'8"-ish here.

Here are the minority percentages of the 10 largest American cities (I once again exclude blacks because they're around the same height as whites):

New York: 42.4%
LA: 76.9%
Chicago: 51%
Houston: 62.6%
Phoenix: 47.1%
Philadelphia: 24.45%
San Antonio: 65.6%
San Diego: 44.7%
Dallas: 65.8%
San Jose: 85.9%

You average those and you get 56.65%, which is similar to where I live, and the average here feels around 5'8", so there's no way in heck can the average be anywhere near 5'10".
Greg said on 2/Dec/19
@Person111 False, again I don’t live in a short area I see plenty of tall guys just not that many for 5’10 to be average amongst white males, it’s closer to 5’9 or just over. I never said I’m taller than every guy I see. Try again.
Person111 said on 2/Dec/19
@Christian 6'5 3/8 - According to Stats Canada, 51.5% of Toronto residents are minorities, as of 2016. Click Here
mrfunnyguy said on 2/Dec/19
@Canson Well, I'm exactly 185.5 cm (give or take a millimeter), and I often feel shortish in Sweden. I've been called short by a girl and I'm pretty often the shortest among a group of friends. I see girls taller than me all the time when i'm in Stockholm, and by all the time I mean that I walk around a street downtown and at every moment I can see atleast one girl taller than me.
Nik Ashton said on 2/Dec/19
@ Bobby - I don’t think the UK average for men is over 5’9” (excluding men from foreign backgrounds) but if you include men from foreign backgrounds too the average could be below 5’9”.

Often I feel under average but I rarely feel small because many of the men who are taller than me don’t clear me by much, however I do have spells of consecutively seeing men smaller than myself. On many occasions I may come out of a shop and see two or three guys shorter than myself together or I see three or four guys shorter than myself walk past me in a shop one after the other.

OK the average for all men in the UK may be around 5’9” but there is not a great deal of difference between a guy of nearly 5’7.5” and a guy of 5’9”! People shouldn’t forget that small/ smallish height differences are often blown out of proportion by people, I appreciate knowing the height of celebrities in precise detail but I am prepared to say that one or two inches is not a great deal of difference in height between people.

There are a huge amount of short men in the UK, don’t be told otherwise. This is cool and if I was shorter than I am I would embrace this well, short men are just as good as tall men at everything in my view and in my view it is just as good to be short as it is to be tall.

Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 2/Dec/19

Nik, 165cm is short for a man. That's under my eye level for starters, and for another thing, while it's not very, very short, it is still short. If you consider the overall average of 5'9, then a 5'5 person is 4 inches below average height for a man. That's short.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 2/Dec/19

Well, yeah, I'm Greek, so my skin tone is more olive-toned, or bronze coloured when tanned, but I'm still considered a white person. My main argument is that minorities still outnumber the Eurocentric population in Toronto, so considering a 5'10 average here is mind-bogglingly stupid. In my defence, I am not really basing that stat off of research, just my own guess because of how few people I will actually see.

For example, I was required to visit a Social Assistance office last year or welfare, and the majority of people in there getting social assistance were all minorities. Now, would that mean that minorities are being discriminated against when it comes to finding work? Not absolutely. I myself have trouble finding work and I'm a white guy. I think it boils down to laziness as most of those people look to be able-bodied and certainly capable of work, but I had to be there to help my parents sign off on something, which is, of a private matter. But that's getting off-topic, anyway, my point stands that Toronto really can't be considered Eurocentric, so considering a 5'10 average here for white guys makes no sense.
QM6'1QM said on 2/Dec/19
Nik Ashton said on 1/Dec/19

It's average female height (+- 1.5 cm).
Person111 said on 2/Dec/19
@TheBat 1.25 inch shoes don’t give you 1.25 inches in height. It’s not as simple as adding the shoe height to your height. 1.25 inch shoes give you about 0.7 inches in height. In this video Rob measures himself with and without lifts. He places a 1.25 inch lift into his shoes and the actual height added to his height is 0.71 inches. Click Here
Editor Rob
For the NBA video I had the 3 layers of lift in the socks, and one layer I kept off, so I could have it in my pocket then drop it to the floor Click Here.

that is the method some "Height Guru's" have used to trick people into thinking a subject has grown taller.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 2/Dec/19
While I don't think that Toronto's majority white, a 1% white population is still extremely hard to believe. Similar big diverse cities like LA and New York are nowhere near that low. You also have to consider that not all Europeans have white skin. There are southern Europeans who have brown or olive skin but are still considered "white".
Nik Ashton said on 1/Dec/19
The average is less than just about everyone thinks!
Greg said on 1/Dec/19
@Canson yeah I agree with you, that’s likely the case.

@Chris Brady do you have any other photos of her where we can see the footwear? She could be in heels for all we know or if she’s in flats than we would be able to tell. That’s not a good photo wouldn’t have though he looks around 6’0 there and she’s likely not 6’2, he might be 5’10-5’11 and she could be like 5’9 give or take I might be wrong though.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 1/Dec/19

We appreciate your confidence in your stature of 5'7.25, but I doubt the average on the streets of England is below 5'9 for the general population of men.
Greg said on 1/Dec/19
@cedric 172 you mean proportions? No not really it’s not impossible for a 5’10 guy to have 6 footer proportions i am 5’10.5 and have a 6’2 wing span and taller guy proportions.
Greg said on 1/Dec/19
@TheBat exactly, 5’10 average is just what some people say outside of Europe there’s not a chance. Some people are acting as if they personally work for the CDC and measured the people. Sometimes doctors even let people slide with in shoe measurements so I wouldn’t be surprised.
Greg said on 1/Dec/19
@Nick Knock there’s actually no way to increase height, apart from limb lengthening which is costly and painful. Maybe if you where to get HGH prescribed by a doctor (they usually won’t unless you need it) I guess if there was a way to black market some you could grow more but it could come with negatives along with positives so I don’t recommend it. So you’re 5’9.5, that’s not bad you could still end up maybe 5’10-5’11, how much did you grow last year? 5’11 is a good height I am that height in the mornings, I would love to be a legit 5’11 if not 6’0 but I believe I stunted my growth slightly. Best advice I can give you is to eat right, sleep well and exercise try to play sports like basketball, swim and cycle. Do some stretches and take glucosamine it helps, just hope for the best my guess is you might be able to squeeze one more inch or more if you’re lucky. I was a late bloomer but I stopped growing at like 17-18. You where 5’7 at 13 which is crazy because I was 5’1, had you kept your current pattern up you should be like 6’2-6’3 easy if not taller. Genetics is tricky though.
Progking said on 1/Dec/19
@Chris Brady the girl looks 6'0.25-0.5 range, im pretty much their height(6'0 or a tad over in the evening) so i can better gauge their heights i guess. The guy is probably just a small fraction shorter than me!
Nik Ashton said on 1/Dec/19
165 cm ain’t very short for a man.
Nik Ashton said on 1/Dec/19
@ Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) - Thanks! Your reply on the 30/Nov/19 is a truly great one and one that everyone should read! 👌😇
Person111 said on 1/Dec/19
@Greg – you live in a short area, that’s why you don’t see many 5’10 white guys. Most white guys aren’t 5’7-5’9. This is not Latin America.

@Bobby - Of course you’re going to feel above average if your area is 80% minorities. Toronto is 50% minority, not 80%, so your area is still way below average height, even for Toronto. Most people don’t live in areas with 80% minorities, so people’s experiences will be closer to mine than yours. Most major North American cities are roughly 50% minorities, including Toronto. I’ve been repeating myself all along: You most certainly do live in a short area if most whites are below 5’10 and 5’5 for men and women respectively. That’s not representative of most people’s experiences who live in a 50% minority city. In most North American cities, 5’10+ men and 5’5+ women are everywhere.
Nik Ashton said on 1/Dec/19
@ AndrewV - 180 cm ain’t average in the UK!
Nik Ashton said on 1/Dec/19
@ Canson - You are a very rounded poster!
Jsmith230 said on 1/Dec/19
@AndrewV - I have a few questions on the stats you’ve posted and demography. I agree with your posts here. Can you email me at Thanks
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 1/Dec/19
@ Nick Knock - What a fabulous name! LOL! 😂😂😂👍
Nik J Ashton said on 1/Dec/19
@ Mark O' Connor - Yip!
Nik J Ashton said on 1/Dec/19
@ Rampage(-_-_-)Clover - Maybe in Basketballland!
Nik J Ashton said on 1/Dec/19
@ Vitto - Very interesting! Thanks! 😇👌
Nik J Ashton said on 1/Dec/19
5'10" is only the average for men who are 25 and under!
Nik Ashton said on 1/Dec/19
@ AndrewV - You may be very very surprised!
Nik Ashton said on 1/Dec/19
5’9” is often above average on the streets of England!
Luca said on 30/Nov/19
Rob, yesterday my roommate measured about 185.225-185.25 cm after he spent 13 hours without resting on bed, having slept just 6 hours that night and being really dehydrated, having drunk just a bottle of 70 cl during the whole day... Since he usually wakes upat 187,6-187,85 cm, and it was the lowest measurement he ever got, had he hit his extreme low? Otherwise how much could he potentially shrunk to reach his absolute low?
Editor Rob
From what you said, only if he went on a long mountain hike or climbed everest, would he probably lose any further height than 185.2 range
Nick Knock said on 30/Nov/19
What is the best way to increase height? I am 16 years old and I am 5’10 flat in the morning. Around 5’9 flat at night. I want to be 5’11 at least in the morning by the time I’m done growing. Maybe 6’0 if I’m lucky but 5’11 is enough. I have a relatively above average family as my mom is 5’6 and her brother is 5’11. My dad is short and so was my grandpa, but my grandma’s family is all 5’11-6’2. I am an early bloomer though as I was already 5’7 (maybe 5’8 in the morning) by 13 and that’s why I’m asking this.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 30/Nov/19
You have to consider though, that not every single measurement is completely accurate. Some are measured earlier in the day than others, especially in big samples like when hundreds of participants are measured, and that may take a few hours. So, people getting measured early in the day slightly raises the average. It's similar to the NFL and NBA combines, in which some players are measured later than others, and that can affect how tall they measure. The stat is true though, that white Americans (and all races of Americans) have stagnated in height.
Bego said on 30/Nov/19
@Genko108 Same in Bosnia. 178cm to 186cm are most common among youth and older man 170cm to 180cm, but its common to see older man 190cm and over too, rare but also not rare.
Lell said on 30/Nov/19
When did you guys stop growing in height?
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 30/Nov/19
@Christian 6'5 3/8"

I disagree with those stats. I'm usually one of the only white guys on a bus during the week, and on the subway, there are usually only a few white folks but most of them are minorities. I think They outnumber us 100 to 1.
TheBat said on 30/Nov/19

I agree 100%. I use to think 5'10" was dead on average where I live, but now looking more around, it definitely looks about 5'9.25"-5'9.5". It had to have been a self reported rounded up claim in certain articles I've seen.
John124 said on 30/Nov/19
Best heights for feel good factor in western countries:

Rank 1: 188cm
Rank 2: 185.5cm
Rank 3: 183cm
Rank 4: 190.5cm
Rank 5: 193cm

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Rank 1: 183cm - 184cm
Rank 2: 185cm - 186cm
Rank 3: 181cm - 182cm
Rank 4: 187cm - 188cm
Rank 5: 178cm - 179cm

Best height for body proportions regardless of time of day:

Rank 1: (Low) 183cm - 184cm.
(High) 185cm - 186cm.

Rank 2: (Low) 185cm - 186cm.
(High) 187cm - 188cm.

Rank 3: (Low) 181cm - 182cm.
(High) 183cm - 184cm.

Rank 4: (Low) 178cm - 179cm
(High) 180cm - 181cm

Rank 5: (Low) 187cm - 188cm
(High) 189cm - 190cm
Chris brady said on 30/Nov/19
Click Here Still trying to pin down the back row tall girls height. I saw the guy standing next to her at this thanksgiving holiday and he gives me a grant Gustin vibe. He could be exactly six feet or a hair under like 5-11.75. After looking at this pic again it actually seems he may be standing a bit behind the girl here. What do you guys think? If that guy is 6-0 max is 6-2 impossible for this girl?
Canson said on 30/Nov/19
@Greg: it wouldn’t surprise me if the average is about 1/2-3/4” less than that for males. More 5’8.5-5’9 range. Maybe 5’9” flat afternoon height best case
Genko108 said on 30/Nov/19
Eh, I'd rather not say for the sake of privacy, but it's on the West Coast.

The argument that other people are making isn't 5'10" is the average overall, but that it's average for white guys specifically.
AndrewV said on 30/Nov/19
If you're below 180cm in a western country, you're not "tallish" or even notably above average, you're just average.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 30/Nov/19

I can respect that view. In Marvel Comics, Wolverine is 5'3 in the mainstream canon, and he was once told: "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." Since he was a very short-statured man, but he made up for it in ferocity and combat prowess.
177.7cm/weak 5'10 said on 30/Nov/19
Rob, are there any stretches you recommend to gain 1cm in height? Even if it’s temporary
Editor Rob
Well I would say that a 3-month stretching program, inversion table therapy and hanging regularly might improve your morning height, but if you stopped, you might lose that temporary gain.
Cedric 172 cm said on 30/Nov/19

The body of a solid 180 guy looks different to 5'10 guys
Canson said on 30/Nov/19
@MrFunnyguy: Rampage is absolutely correct. Where in the world would a 6’1 and change guy be considered average though? If going by that definition of 6’1.25 at an afternoon height we’re assuming that they 6’2” out of bed. That’s not even tallish. It’s plain tall
TheBat said on 30/Nov/19

I haven't been to Toronto but I wouldn't be surprised if the average is around 5'8.5"-5'9". I went to a movie theater yesterday and it was crazy that I was taller than a lot of the men. I also wear 1.25 inch shoes lately which brings my height up to 5'11.5"-5'11.75", which made me look taller.
Sakz said on 30/Nov/19
@Greg The average height discussion has been going on for at least 2 months and nobody will reach an agreement because you have one side referring to the general male average and the other referring to the young white male average. You can see why the views are contrasting. The latter does have a slightly higher average but exactly how much is the question.

@pov That doesn't confirm anything. I've been in situations where I've been like the 2nd or 3rd tallest in a room at a weak 6'1 but that doesn't make me conclude I'm 'very tall'. You said you didn't consider yourself tall even when you were the 4th tallest in the room so it sounds like you're describing a very tall person's perspective, which is a misconception of being tall. You're also more 6'0 flat not 6'0.5 based on what you said last time.

@Samos Pretty much the same as me and it's typically how I feel aswell. London is also very diverse so you'll come across people from shorter countries with a lower average. Take into account you would be around 6'2 in footwear so it's not surprising people think you're taller.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 30/Nov/19
@ Nik - I travelled right across Holland in a single, solitary day as a kid and when I looked out of the window, all I could see were windmills and these things: 🌷🌷🌷

I didn't notice any tall men, but that goes right back to the days when ALL adults looked tall to me, as I was 7 and 8!

Cheers Nik and all the best to you and your Mum! 😁👍 XX 🌷🌷🌷 XX

Note: I'm sending your Mum a different floral arrangement! 😃
Gianluca said on 30/Nov/19
Hi everyone! I am a tall 19 yrs old italian boy and i measure 1,94 cm (48 EU feet size). I feel like a giant here in Italy and the strange thing is that my parents are much shorter than me. My dad is 1,75 cm and my mother is 1,65 cm. My grandparents are also normal/short being between 1,75 cm and 1,50 cm. Why i am this tall?
QM6'1QM said on 30/Nov/19
Samos_ said on 29/Nov/19

Bro, same feelings/guessed/situations. And I'm "only" 6'1 - 185.7-9 cm regular minimum everyday before the bed/ around 6'2 in the morning.
Person111 said on 30/Nov/19
Are AndrewV and Genko108 the same person?
Editor Rob
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AndrewV said on 30/Nov/19
@Christian 6'5 3/8"
South Korean men are obligated by law to undergo mandatory military service once they come of age. During recruitment processing, the anthropometry of all recruits are taken and recorded to asses physical fitness and create standardized measurements for military equipment: Click Here

Young Korean men in their 20s are around 174cm on average.

You did contradict yourself. You're citing the CDC stat that shows 5'10" being 64th percentile in the *general* male population (which is true) yet you deny the measured 5'10" average for white men even though both stats come from the EXACT SAME SOURCE. If you are willing to believe the former statistic, then you would have to accept that white men average 5'10" as measured by the CDC. Again, NONE of the CDC or military stats measured participants in shoes, read the methodology of the studies before you jump to false conclusions. At this point, it just seems like you're denying the facts to reinforce your own biases.
edwards said on 30/Nov/19
@ greg
actually i agree with you,the average height is nowhere near 5'10 atleast not in the us.the average is still 5'9 range.i have lived in omaha neb for 6 years,omaha neb is often listed as one of the tallest state here in the states.yes it is one of the tallest state,the average height is listed as 5'10 but dont believe what you see,i can tell you that the average is 5'9 and the average for young males is 5'9.5,this is coming from a native texan who has lived in omaha for 6 years.actyally i agree with you.5'10 is above average if you ask me,6 feet is the start of tall here in the us.even 5'9 can feel above average in state such as cali,new mexico and arizona at time maybe due to high concentration of huspanic population.5'9 is average,5'11 is tallish and 6 feet is the begaining of tall here in america.
Genko108 said on 30/Nov/19
Young men in the Czech Republic and the Netherlands are 5'11"-6'0" on average. The most common heights there would be 5'10"-6'1", not 5'9"-5'11" like North American white men.

Again, I'm specifically talking about young white men. The 5'9" average would be applicable if you were in a diverse population with minorities and older men.
Nik said on 29/Nov/19
@ c-mo - Only in Holland!
Nik said on 29/Nov/19
@ Sandy Cowell - Absolutely, he will have trained many good tall, medium, and short, soldiers. There will be equally as many good tall soldiers as there are short ones and there will be equally as many good medium ones too, it's having bottle and determination that count and these things can be found in equal quantity at each of the different levels of height. 👌
Genko108 said on 29/Nov/19
Young men in the Czech Republic and the Netherlands are 5'11"-6'0" on average. The most common heights there would be 5'10"-6'1", not 5'9"-5'11" like North American white men.

Again, I'm specifically talking about young white men. The 5'9" average would be applicable if you were in a diverse population with minorities and older men.
Person111 said on 29/Nov/19
@Genko108 - which uni do you go to?
Nik said on 29/Nov/19
@ chevy - Yes, and in the UK too! 6'0" is on the low side of the tall range but it is there!
Greg said on 29/Nov/19
@Pov it doesn’t confirm anything lol, unless you’re in the Netherlands then yeah you would be 1.5 inches or a bit less over the average at 6’0.5, white would be tall in the U.S a little above average would be like 5’11.5” I could be in a room with 10 guys and let’s say most of them are over 6’0 that definitely would not represent the average.
Nik said on 29/Nov/19
@ Bobby 5'10 (1.78m) - I don't know whether height restrictions have always applied in the British Army. Also I can say is that a man of 5'3" may not be intimidating to everyone but if he's good enough at what he's doing then this won't matter, small men are every bit as tough and strong as tall men.
Greg said on 29/Nov/19
@AndrewV not really and how do I contradict myself? Lmao 😂 I’m not talking about the general population I’m talking about white males they don’t average 5’10 in America, maybe you’re quoting the stats from Europe in that case I understand if not then you don’t make any sense. Most of those surveys could be people that are measured morning or in shoes, realistically if we are to take the afternoon barefoot height of white males they would average 5’9 3/8ths to 5’9.5 barefoot 👍
Genko108 said on 29/Nov/19
A body composition study of USMC and US Navy personnel of different demographic backgrounds was conducted to measure physical fitness and determine the necessary sizing of equipment and vehicles: Click Here

Participants were asked to remove their shoes and were measured by a stadiometer. The measured heights were rounded to the nearest 0.1cm. The participants were ages 18 to 54, with most being in the 18-44 age range. Sampled personnel included both enlisted and officers, so socioeconomic class was accounted for. White women measured around 5'5" and White men around 5'10" which matches the data provided by the CDC. While this study was conducted in 2000, CDC shows that average height growth, especially for White Americans, has stagnated since the late 1970s.
Greg said on 29/Nov/19
@Genko108 see that doesn’t make sense, a half an inch is barely noticeable even 1 inch might not be as obvious to some people 5’10.5 is almost the same as 5’11 flat, most 5’10.5 afternoon/evening guys will be seen as 5’11(I would know because that’s my height and I’ve been guessed at 5’11 by legit 5’11 guys even as 6’0 before) especially with footwear I’m telling you that half inch doesn’t make or break tallish. And I’m not talking about getting nearer 6’0 as that’s obviously tallish in the U.S. and even tall to some in the U.S your average in Australia is a bit higher than the U.S I think just by a fraction or if not similar and going by percentiles 5’10.5 is like 66-67 or something that is definitely tallish. I’m not saying you’ll be on the same level as a 6’1 guy but you will be taller than most guys you come across. You just happen to be in a taller group of students, I’m telling you if 5’10 was the average don’t you think you would be seeing almost every other guy as 5’10, out of all my friends only like 1 or 2 of them are 5’10 and many of them are 6’2-6’3 does that mean that’s just above average? No everyone and their experience is going to be different. You can’t ignore percentiles if you wish to go by CDC standards. Outside of Europe there’s really no 5’10 average height countries. That being said if 5’10 was really the average most of the people I would know would be 5’10 but I’m telling you it’s really not.
Guest66 said on 29/Nov/19
@Andrew, So you basically didn’t feel yourself tallish until you hit a weak six footer range, I can totally see that man. A solid 5’11.5” guy can pull off tallish look, especially if the guy is lanky.
Greg said on 29/Nov/19
@Cedric 172cm I find it interesting how after 6’0 you have 5’11 over 6’1-6’2, I would put 6’1 first or 6’0, then followed by 6’2, 5’11 would be right up there would 5’10 range as it’s similar, unless we are talking a stronger 5’11 like 5’11.5-5’11.75” then I would choose that as much as 6’0 legit.
Greg said on 29/Nov/19
@TheBat exactly we are like the same height I’m closer to 5’11 for the first half of the day and closer to 5’10 for the second half of it. That being said 5’10-5’11 is above average. It’s not an uncommon height but it’s not exactly a common height. Hence 60-70th percentile which means taller than the majority but not all. Yeah the average in the city could be about 5’8.5-5’9. White American Males do not average 5’10, that’s a common misconception because if so 5’10 would be 50th percentile, and not like 62nd or whatever. White males average somewhere between 5’9.25-5’9.5, outside of Europe I refuse to believe that guys will average 5’10. Some parts of Germany and Austria yes, America however no. That doesn’t mean you won’t see a good amount of 5’10 guys if you walk past like 1000 people or whatever but some people are selectively bias with their beliefs which is annoying because that’s not putting things correctly into perspective. However, Thank you for agreeing with me and I’m glad somebody else understands. I’ve been to South Carolina once or twice and tbf I was really short back then so can’t say how I felt nor was I as height aware as I am now. Pennsylvania White Males are most likely 5’9 and a bit on average. Height on campuses vary but I think 5’9.75” would be on the higher end of average.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 29/Nov/19
Sorry, but a 5'8"-5'9" average for South Korea is BS. I've never been to Korea, so I can't say for sure, but I live in LA and everytime I visit Koreatown, even the Korean Americans don't feel that tall, more like 5'7". Young Korean Americans might be 5'8" though.

So you're saying that whites are only 1% of the Toronto population? There's no way in heck that can be true. Every stat says otherwise.
Nik said on 29/Nov/19
I was once guessed to be 5'10" by a woman of 5'3"!
Nik said on 29/Nov/19
@ Greg - I-N-T-E-R-E-S-T-I-N-G! She may have described me as 5'11" and Rob as 6'0"!
Nik said on 29/Nov/19
@ Rampage(-_-_-)Clover - It absolutely isn't!
Nik said on 29/Nov/19
@ Cedric 172 cm - 5'6" is a good 'un 2!
Nik said on 29/Nov/19
@ cmillz - I agree!
Nik said on 29/Nov/19
@ AndrewV - It's a funny 🌎! 😂😂😂
Nik said on 29/Nov/19
@ Poster - I'm with Greg and co!

I've read worse though, I have read in some online articles that 5'10" is average for all men in the UK!
Nik said on 29/Nov/19
It's worth the read! 👌😇
Nik said on 29/Nov/19
Uncle Rob's height is the best, access the link provided by James B on Rob Paul from the 20/Nov/19!
Genko108 said on 29/Nov/19
Click Here

Here is the detailed methodology the CDC used to measure participants' height, see page 40.
Genko108 said on 29/Nov/19
5'9.5" is the average for young Americans ages 20-29 of all ethnicities and races. White and Black men of that age group average around 5'10" and Hispanics and Asians are just under 5'8".

5'9" flat is the average for all age groups and ethnicities.
Genko108 said on 29/Nov/19
@Bobby (178cm)

My point has been that height is contextual. Since you live in a diverse city, a 5'9" average would be most relevant for your circumstances. For me, it's 5'10" since I'm around a relatively homogeneous demographic. In the event I move back to LA, I'll likely go with the 5'9" average as you do.

Among young white guys specifically, 5'9-5'11" is the average range with a flat 5'8" being shortish (25th percentile) and a flat 6'0" being tallish (75th percentile). I'd consider someone legitimately tall and short when they're close to 6'1" and 5'7", respectively since those heights are one standard deviation away from average. At 6'0.5" I'm on the borderline between tallish and legit tall, maybe 80th percentile on my college campus.

For the general male population among all age groups and ethnicities, where the average is indeed 5'9", I'd say that 5'8"-5'10" is a solid average range with 5'11" being tallish and 5'7" being shortish. Legit tall and short in this case would start at 6'0" and 5'6", respectively.
Genko108 said on 29/Nov/19
@Bobby (178cm)

My point has been that height is contextual. Since you live in a diverse city, a 5'9" average would be most relevant for your circumstances. For me, it's 5'10" since I'm around a relatively homogeneous demographic. In the event I move back to LA, I'll likely go with the 5'9" average as you do.
cmillz said on 29/Nov/19
For me, I’d say about 20% of guys I see are 6’0+
cmillz said on 29/Nov/19
64th and 71st percentile heights are very, VERY common. Not sure what you’re on about
James B 172cm said on 29/Nov/19
for young white males in the UK/US 5ft10 is dead on average.

For the older generation though its above average since the average for previous generations was 5ft9. so therefore in the past 5ft10 was considered too be tallish in the UK and America.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 29/Nov/19

It's interesting that you say that, as I am 5'10 myself, and even I feel above average where I live, which is Toronto, Canada. I would say the average on the street here overall, as Toronto is superlatively diverse, is 5'8.5. On-campus, the average gets pushed to 5'9, but I still above average overall, and lately, I've taken to adding a 2.7cm lift in my 3cm boots, which gives me a grand total of 5.7cm, and elevates me close to 185cm in the morning, and I went from feeling above-average to moderately tall. So, I'd say 180cm+ is the start of tall, at least where I live.

Additionally, AndrewV and Person111 have been citing the average height for Caucasian Millennials, and say it's 5'10. I honestly don't think that figure is even true in North America, but certainly, in Europe, it would be. I just see too many white guys below 5'10 to even buy into that statistic, and when I say below 5'10, I don't mean like 5'9.5-5'9.75, as that is 5'10 range and I wouldn't bat an eye if someone rounded up, but 5'9 or less is what I mean.

Ultimately, everyone has different ideas about what is average height, but I go by a multiethnic average height since we are more diverse today han we ever have been in the past. It's just relevant to consider your height in relation to others, it's only fair, after all.
mrfunnyguy said on 29/Nov/19
@Rampage(-_-_-)Clover You are wrong
Progking said on 29/Nov/19
@AndrewV, Greg in Toronto you would feel a bit tall yes with the mixed population, I was there recently and felt tall. Personally where I live in Ontario in a predominantly white town, I just feel tallish at 6'0(6'1.5 in shoes if I'm wearing my bigger ones) but sometimes legit tall depending on who is around. Some days there just happens to be a big group of 6'3-6'4 white guys in a store and then I don't feel tall. I feel like 6'0.5 is the exact start of tall when you consider both the 5'9 and 5'10 averages, but if you make it to 6'0 you are good enough to be considered tall by many.
Samos_ said on 29/Nov/19
Hey everyone, just want to give my opinion on height. I am pretty much 6'1. I am not 183cm, nor am I 184cm, so I am way over 6 foot but I am not quite 6'1 (give or take a couple mms) I am 185.2 at night, sometimes I have measured 6'1 flat at night on really relaxed days or a mm or two over. I feel tall literally everywhere I go (I live in London). I don't feel giant haha, just regularly tall, I am pretty much always the tallest in a queue, or one of the tallest. My extreme low is when I go to the gym and do deadlifts, shoulder pressing, all of which can effect the back and I can measure 184.9cm. Everyone keeps telling me I must be 6'2 or 6'3, I always say "no I am like 6'1". But they insist I am 6'2 or 6'3 looool. I am probably the most strongest 6 foot guy ever.
Vitto said on 29/Nov/19
If anyone is interested, I found the percentiles for American men and women aged 20-29. I inserted my height in the link below but you can insert yours if you go back on the website. That said, I am not interested in arguing about the average height and I am not interested if you think that 5'11 is tall or short. I just thought that the site could be useful to someone. If you want to see the percentiles, you have to scroll down. Here we go
Click Here
Toer said on 29/Nov/19
@POV No offence mate but I’d bet you’re not even 6 and a half. You think you are but you’re not lol. Use a stadiometer and you would probably measure slightly under 6 foot, like 182.4 or something. Which is tallish/above average. How do you measure your height?
Person111 said on 29/Nov/19
@AndrewV - There’s nothing you can do to convince Greg and Bobby. Continuing to cite the statistics won’t convince them because they believe their own experiences over the data.
Glitch said on 28/Nov/19

How old are you? Are you still growing? If not, when did you stop growing?
TheBat said on 28/Nov/19
At 5'10.25"-5'10.5" I feel taller than a lot of people. Out in the city I live it's 5'9.25"-5'9.5" on average as a whole from what I can tell and in the college I go to it looks 5'9.75" on average normally. Though I see a lot more younger people than older that range from 5'10"-5'11", but I still feel above average overall. And I have also been to Pennsylvania and it's close to what Greg has been saying. From I have experienced Pennsylvania is lower in average height than South Carolina which is where I currently live.
Cedric 172 cm said on 28/Nov/19
Top Best Heights

1) 6'0
2) 5'11 (not under 5'11/180.0 cm flat)
3) 6'1
4) 6'2
5) 5'10
6) 5'9
7) 5'8 (not under 5'7.5")
8) 6'3
Genko108 said on 28/Nov/19
I gotta say as someone who's Australian and 5'10.5" most of the day there's no way in hell I'd call myself tallish or even that much above average in the US. I'm doing a study abroad program this semester at an American uni and I'm solidly average. White guys in the US are very similar in height to young guys in Australia, about a solid 5'10" on average which would make sense since we're both nationalities of mainly British and Germanic descent. Even when out and about in a more diverse area with more ethnic and elderly people, I feel just slightly above average but not enough to be seen as above average or "tallish" IMO. To me a guy isn't really above average or "tallish" until they're 5'11" and tall starts at 6'0.25-6'0.5".

This is just my two cents though, I don't mean to dismiss the experiences of other posters, but the 5'10" average for whites here seems on the money. I can buy a flat 5'9" if you include older gentlemen and guys from shorter ethnic groups. As @Greg mentioned, I'm not really a fan of anthropometric studies since they can be self-reported, measured in shoes, etc. but the CDC figures that Person111 and AndrewV cite seem fair based on my observations.
AndrewV said on 28/Nov/19
Who's more correct on this matter: A couple of random posters on celebheights or public health organizations and military databases that actually compile measured, barefoot heights to assess nutrition and create standard anthropometry for clothing and infrastructure?

Who knows?! It's a mystery!
Poster said on 28/Nov/19
People should read Andrew V's and Person 111's messages if they wish to learn accurate and realistic facts on height averages and distributions among various populations in the United States. They also express themselves very well on a message board in which some people contradict themselves in a single sentence. I believe that they're correct in that young white men average 5'10 and young white women average 5'5.
cmillz said on 28/Nov/19
Some parts of the US are taller though. In some isolated regions of the Midwest, I’m sure the average for men could be 5’10-5’11 range. In a state like California though, a 5’9 (or maybe even 5’8 range) average is much more likely.
Greg said on 28/Nov/19
@AndrewV most guys you’ve met are 5’9-5’11? Maybe if you lived in the Netherlands or like Czech Republic/Bosnia I would believe you but in America that’s nonsense unless you’re living in a tall area or just happen to be meeting taller people. Average White males are 5’9ish. So 5’10 is 64th percentile and 5’11 is 71st percentile, that’s not common. You’re being extremely bias, I can say that most guys I’ve met are much shorter or taller than that does that represent the norm? Absolutely not.
Greg said on 28/Nov/19
@AndrewV how is it fair that if you’re being biased against the average being under 5’10 for Americans white males yet when I’m telling you also based on statistics and percentiles that 5’10 is above average. A flat 5’10 wouldn’t be seen as tallish, however once you get near the 70th percentile like 66-70th percentile that’s most certainty tallish because you would be taller than every 7/10 guys and only 3 would be taller than you. You don’t see that as tallish? That’s ludacris, most people apart from you guest66 and person would agree with me. I didn’t say that you’re going to be legit tall but you would be on the border of above average and tall hence (tallish) you don’t have to be 6’1-6’2 to be tallish. Plus since we are going by this ‘double standard’ that 5’10 and 5’11 is within the average range than 6’0 can’t be tall since it would supposedly be 2 inches within the average and 6’1 wouldn’t be that tall, would you describe it as tallish then? LOL I’m done debating with y’all its like a broken record I know where I am coming from and I know I’m right based on statistics just like you keep quoting but you can believe whatever you want and I will believe what I want to..
cmillz said on 28/Nov/19
Problem is most people don’t really know what a legit 5’7 looks like, so that’s why they consider 5’7 short, because 5’5-5’6 guys often claim 5’7 or even 5’8.

Can’t see the average being any higher than 5’9 range, even if you’re only including whites. The absolute MAXIMUM average height I can buy for whites is 5’9.5”
AndrewV said on 28/Nov/19
Again, no one disagrees with the 5’9” general average. Your stats are correct, 5’10” is indeed 60th-65th percentile in the GENERAL population. Person111 and I are specifically talking about white male adults under 40, where 5’10” is 50th percentile. You’ve also contradicted yourself, you cite the stats for the general population yet you dismiss the measured average for white men even though both figures come from the exact same source.
AndrewV said on 28/Nov/19
“statistics with little to no credibility”

What is so disreputable about the CDC? The CDC has conducted anthropometric studies like this for decades and have consistently found a 5’10” average for young whites since the 70s and 80s. Measured data from the US military and academia also show this too. In fact, measured data from healthcare providers and public agencies in other western countries with similar ethnic origins to White Americans such as the UK, Australia, etc. also show 5’10” averages for young lads. 5’9” is the national average when you include all age groups and ethnicities. It just sounds like you’re dismissing anything that contradicts your own biases at this point. Can you explain to me why you think the CDC data lacks credibility? Again, they specifically and explicitly explain that they used measured, barefoot data rounded to the nearest 0.1cm (not the nearest whole number as you claimed.

You’re trying to claim that young, white American men average the same as South Koreans, which just isn’t true. I’ve been to South Korea and the young men are noticeably shorter than white guys in the States. I’m sorry, but I can’t take a 5’8”-5’9” for white Americans seriously when it goes against all the evidence at hand and my own experiences. Since you mentioned you live in a diverse area, then the 5’9” general average may very well be relevant to you. Person111 and I have only pointed out that the average is 5’10” for white men ages 20-40 specifically, which is the demographic I’m mostly around. Again, Rob agrees that young Brit are around 5’10” on average and finds the statistics from the NHS to be reliable.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 28/Nov/19
I pretty much agree with your ranking chart, except I would swap Rank 1 and Rank 2. 183-4 may be more physically aesthetic than 185-6, but there are more benefits of being the latter that outweighs the slight decrease in aesthetics IMO.

My experiences are the opposite though. I often slightly overguess guys who're much taller than me. I once guessed a 6'9"-ish guy to be 6'10", and a guy who I initially thought to be 7 feet tall, turned out to be 6'11.5"
Sakz said on 28/Nov/19
@Greg That proves my point aswell. It's always interesting to hear how tall someone much shorter than you is going to guess you at.

@John142 Depending on your body type you can look lanky at 6'0 or even 5'11. I certainly did when I was near 6'0 but I was really thin. It depends on your proportions and how long your limbs are.
ajax509 said on 28/Nov/19
As of military, there are height restrictions on both ends. Being too tall is worse.
pov said on 28/Nov/19
So I was in a room yesterday with about 30 young people. Age range was from between 1994-1998. I counted 19 were men, 8 of them were taller than me, and I was taller than 11 of them. I’m 6”0.5. Meaning there were 9 people over 6 foot in the room, including me! I am most definitely not tall. By that stat it just confirms my point that it a little above average that’s all. They say 6 foot is “tall” and I want to believe it, but my everyday experiences tell me it isn’t.
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 28/Nov/19
Really don’t think 186cm is average anywhere in the world.
AndrewV said on 28/Nov/19

Agreed, one would be hard pressed to call 5'10" tallish or noticeably above average in a western country. It's literally dead average for white guys and only 64th percentile when you factor in the entire male population. It's mindboggling how some posters here can claim that 5'10" and 5'11" aren't common heights while living in North America. Even in a diverse city where the 5'9" national average would be reflected, 5'10" men are still a dime a dozen. Even among shorter minority groups like Asians and Hispanics, 20% of young guys are 5'10" or taller (CDC stats also corroborate with this). When I was 179cm at 15 I felt almost completely average around white adults and only tallish or weak tall around my Asian friends and family. Nobody outside of my Asian/Hispanic peer group regarded me as notably above average, much less tall, until I was a weak six foot at 17.

The height distribution for white men that Greg is describing sounds like a stat out of Brazil or Korea. White American men averaging 5'8"-5'9" is almost impossible, most white guys I meet are 5'9"-5'11".
Greg said on 28/Nov/19
@Sakz yeah it basically boils down to two different sides on celeb heights the side that believes the average is 5’10 for males be it white young men or not or the side that’s more rational and understands its that mark. The average is the median of a range of numbers, so theoretically if something is average it should be right in the middle but if you literally are walking around and observing different areas it will give you a rough idea that it’s under 5’10, statistics or not because there’s a lot statistics that say 5’10 is 60th range percentiles are those made up too? People don’t look at it unless from a bias standpoint and everything is so one sided makes me not even want to bother with it anymore. And yeah I would hate to be a giant, one day would be like okay for the attention but after a while it would be really annoying. Outside of pro sports or maybe being a bouncer/security Guard I can’t imagine why somebody would want to standout even the attention would start to get annoying.
Greg said on 28/Nov/19
@Guest66 no unless you’re living in Europe you will definitely feel tallish at 5’10-5’11 in America. I go to a community college it’s very diverse white men don’t even come that close to 5’10, 5’8-5’9 maybe, in fact I see more shorter than me than taller which makes sense how could someone not feel tallish being 70th percentile? That’s like me saying yeah you can put out fires without graduating from the fire fighters academy or you can perform CPR without being certified like do you hear yourself right now?
Greg said on 28/Nov/19
@AndrewV I will say they are trolls when they actually are not just because I don’t agree, she’s like a broken record and it’s not even reality. You’re quoting some statistics with little to no credibility behind it, Bobby has a good point and so do I. Don’t always trust what you read on the internet.
AndrewV said on 28/Nov/19
Correct, 6’0” flat is just tallish around young whites but legit tall in the general population.

Since you do live in a diverse area, then the 5’9” general average would indeed be the most relevant for you. The reason why I bring up the white male average is because that’s the demographic I’m around at my college. Thus, a 5’10” average is what is most relevant to me at the moment. Considering that most White Americans outside of the largest cities live in segregated suburban areas, the average height of their peer groups would also be closer to 5’10”. Also, no one’s saying that EVERY white guy is going to reach 5’10”, that’s not how averages work. 5’10” is just the mean and most common height for North American whites, there will be plenty of men taller or shorter than that. It’s perfectly normal that your brother ended up at 5’8”, he just happens to be of below average height.

If I was in LA, I’d go by the 5’9 average or even as low as 5’8” in some cases. On my southern college campus, the average isn’t any lower than 5’10” for men and 5’5” for women.
Person111 said on 28/Nov/19
@AndrewV, 6’0+ and 5’7+ women are about 15% of people in my area, which lines up fairly accurately with the stats. The percentages are even higher among millenials.

@Bobby - I live in a diverse area as well (50% of people are minorities) and I still see moderately tall or tall people much more commonly than you. Plenty of minorities are average height. I live on a busy street, and it only takes under 1 minute after leaving my house to see 5’8+ women or 6’0+ men. You don’t commonly see these heights, but you should. More than 10% of the population are those heights - even in diverse cities. The fact that these heights are uncommon to you makes your opinion on average height non-credible.

I’m not singling out a demographic and declaring 5’10 is average. I already know the general average is below 5’10. I was specifically speaking about 5’10 being the average for white men in North America, which you still disagree and insist is shorter than that.

2 inches can be the difference between average and moderately tall. People generally agree 6’0 is moderately tall, not very tall. If the average height truly is 5'8-5'9, then 5’7 wouldn’t be short, but it indisputably is. So yes my point still stands, 5’10 is average and 6’0 is moderately tall. The same way 5’5 is average for women and 5’7 is moderately tall. 2 inches may not sound like much, but it actually takes a lot to increase your height by 2 inches. A 5’10 guy would need to wear 3-inch high heels to get to 6’0.
Canson said on 28/Nov/19
@Viper: very possible he was only 6’10 afternoon height and that he claimed 6’11. There are People that I see do a lot of rounding
Luca said on 28/Nov/19
Sorry Rob, but I didn't understand your reply to my last comment... How can a height measured after 19 hours be just a common low? How tall are you after such an amount of time?
Editor Rob
It may not be an extreme (dehydrated) low.
184 said on 27/Nov/19

Under 165 extremely short
165 - 171 very short
174 - 171 short
176 - 174 below average/shortish
176 - 180 below average
180 - 186 average
186 - 190 above average
190 - 192 above average/tallish
192 - 195 tall
195 - 201 very tall
201 + extremely tall
Height 184cm said on 27/Nov/19
Using my ratings I reckon you could apply it to different places to work out what’s considered tall there, for example in the USA If 177cm is average then

Under 159 extremely short
159 - 165 very short
165 - 168 short
168 - 170cm below average/shortish
170 - 174cm below average
174 - 180 average
180 - 184 above average
184 - 186 above average/tallish
186 - 189 tall
189 - 195 very tall
195+ extremely tall

From this I’d say 170cm is where you can start to be considered short and 167cm is where you are considered short by the majority of people, and 184cm is where you can start to be considered tall and 187cm is the start of where you’d be considered tall by most people
Height 184cm said on 27/Nov/19
0 - 3cm = appear the same height/similar height

hard to tell whose taller
would need to be measured to see
Shoes can have an impact
3 - 5cm = slightly noticeable/noticeable at times

footwear can make the heights appear the same, but can usually tell they are slightly taller if footwear is similar or you see the two people together a lot (with various footwear on etc)
5 - 7cm = “noticeably taller”

can see that they are a little taller than the other person, no measuring needed, only extreme difference in footwear can make them appear the “same or similar height”
7cm - 9cm = clearly taller

Clearly taller, but still may use language like their a “little” or a “bit” taller
9cm - 12cm = fair bit taller

are a fair bit taller, don’t tower over the other person but appear a reasonable amount taller, would stop saying their a little taller, would just say they are taller
12cm - 18cm = A lot taller

They look a lot taller, the other person looks short next to them, however, probably still wouldn’t go as far as to say that they dwarf the other person
18cm + = Giant/dwarfs the other person

They look giant/extremely tall next to the other person, the other person looks extremely small/tiny

What do you guys think?
John142 said on 27/Nov/19
6'0 is the best height to be as a person travelling the world. People over 6'1 can have a bit of lamp post-type vibe about them.

A 6'1 person has a slightly stretched look and in my opinion a person's head starts to become a bit too big at 6'1+
Aesthetically 6'1 is not perfect, but very close. 6'1 is the very starting point of what could be considered a stand out height, especially if you've been sitting down for a bit and get up at 6'1.5. That same person would be 6'2 out of bed, and 6'2 can certainly be lanky. Therefore that 6'1-6'2 range can be lanky.
I would say 183cm/184cm (185cm/186cm out of bed) is the best looking and most convenient height to be.

Rank 1: 183cm - 184cm (Out of bed 185cm/186cm)

Rank 2: 185cm - 186cm (Out of bed 187cm/188cm)

Rank 3: 187cm - 188cm (Out of bed 189cm/190cm)

Rank 4: 191cm - 193cm (Out of bed 193cm/195cm)

Rank 5: 180cm - 182cm (Out of bed 182cm/184cm)

Rank 6: 194cm - 196cm (Out of bed 196cm/198cm)

Rank 7: 178cm - 180cm (Out of bed 180cm/182cm)

Rank 8: 176cm - 178cm (Out of bed 178cm/180cm)

Rank 9: 199cm - 201cm (Out of bed 201cm - 203cm)

Rank 10: 173cm - 175cm (Out of bed 175cm/177cm)

The rankings are on the basis that it's better to be slightly too tall rather than too short. Most guys don't want to be less than 6'0.
A substantial proportion of women like guys up to 6'4 and even 6'6.
194cm - 198cm is essentially in the same category of impracticality as 6'7+ except that some women won't find it excessive the way most would 6'7+
QM6'1QM said on 27/Nov/19
Johan 185 cm said on 25/Nov/19

Yep, 6'1 is a big height. Even my 6'4+ bro, calls me 6'2 and most majority of people - 6'3. Fun but true :).
Greg said on 26/Nov/19
@Sakz @Johan 185 cm I have been described as over 6’0 and at 6’2 by a girl who was like 4’9-4’10.
AndrewV said on 26/Nov/19

I'm sorry, but if you rarely encounter a 5'11" guys, especially white guys, then you either live in an exceptionally short area for Canada or a Latin American country, I don't know what to tell you. Even going by the 5'9" general average, 5'11" is still 75th percentile; one in four guys you come across should be around 5'11" or taller.

No need to dismiss people as trolls because they disagree with you. Person111 and I cited both actual anthropometric data and our own anecdotal experiences when we say that the average white male is 5'10". We're not denying the 5'9" national average, only that is is drawn from measurements of all age groups and backgrounds.

So far, you and Bobby claimed that the average young white guy is around 5'8"-5'9" which would make them equivalent in height to young South Koreans and Turks, which is impossible. When confronted with actual anthropometric data, you dismiss them as being self-reported, rounded up, and/or measured in shoes even though the CDC's methodology page specifies that heights were taken with barefoot measurements and rounded to the nearest 0.1cm. Mind you, the CDC has absolutely no reason to lie about their actual methodology as anthropometric data like this is vital in assessing nutritional health, building infrastructure, and determining the standard dimensions of clothing; it would only benefit them to collect accurate information.
viper said on 26/Nov/19
It can be easy to guess somebody shorter that's way taller than you.

I guessed a waiter at a restaurant once at 6-10. He admitted he was 6-11.

People who worked with him called him
Canson said on 26/Nov/19
cmillzz said on 23/Nov/19
If you could, would you shrink down to 6’3 though, rather than stay at your current height?

@Cmillz: If I were Christian’s height myself I would rather take 6’3”. If 6’3 vs my current height, I’d stay my current height.
AndrewV said on 26/Nov/19
Nearly 40% of white guys in the US reach 180cm+, it's not an uncommon height by any means.
Myself said on 26/Nov/19
@Big Ben
Hah, cool boots, I wouldn't mind getting a pair of those, but i think that if I wore them, people would start asking me again wether I've grown or not, and I also wouldn't want to get used to footwear thicker than 3-3.5cm.
Emil said on 26/Nov/19
@Johan 185 cm

Haha that's so bizarre. However, I think really tall guys (190 cm and above) as well as really tall girls (178 cm and above) are more realistic. They generally have a more accurate perception of height, and they are aware of what's legit tall or not.
Bobby 5'10 (1.78m) said on 26/Nov/19

As I said, Toronto is not a Eurocentric populace. 😂 If you're a minimum of 5'11 here, you'd be seen as being quite tall. Obviously, not very tall, but moderately tall. I don't live in a short area, I live in a diverse area. Like it or not, minorities average under 5'10. Now if I was living in Berlin, Germany, I'd feel average height, but North America in general, is extremely diverse. You can't just sample out a demographic to say 5'10 is average height, that's called a selective bias, especially considering that those of European background aren't the only ones living in North America, let alone in Canada. 😂 Rob lives in the U.K though, specifically Scotland, don't you think the average height would be different in Scotland versus Canada? It's not absurd 😆 You're just not willing to admit that it's possible. Like I wound up 5'10, but my brother wound up 5'8, but based on your rationale, he should be 5'10 as a White Millennial guy, but that's not strictly true.

Okay, but then 6'0 can't be considered tall because it's not far enough away from 5'10 to be classified as tall, but ask anyone you know and they'll all agree that 6'0 is tall. There's a give and take, either you agree that 5'10 is above average which makes 6'0 tall, or you continue persisting that 5'10 is average which makes 6'0 tallish at most.
Bobby 5'10 (1.78m) said on 26/Nov/19
@Nik Ashton

That's quite unlikely. There was a height requirement for the army. You had to be a minimum of 1.73m tall to join. Of course those were the U.S requirements. The British Army seemed to have different requirements but I can't imagine a 5'3 male being intimidating unless he had a gun in his hands.
Luca said on 26/Nov/19
Rob, if someone measures 185.2-185.3 cm after 19-20 hours spent without resting on the bed, has he reached his extreme low? Otherwise how much can he still shrink?
Editor Rob
It sounds like a common low range...there are always extreme lows, or dehydration that could bring anybody down a couple more mm, but that is rarer. When your body gets badly dehydrated it uses up water content from various areas, including discs...
Sakz said on 26/Nov/19
@Greg I understand where you're coming from. Height is one of those topics where not everyone will agree on one thing. That's what makes it interesting to discuss. As a general rule everyone will have their own opinions and experiences depending on where they live. However if someone passes something off as fact without any evidence or logic behind it then understandably it will be questioned. Wow really? I could probably just put up with being a giant for a day. You would regret being that tall if it became reality.

@Johan 185cm Haha yeah that proves my point about short people not being able to identify the height difference. You will get some crazy guesses because the difference is so big. In my case he only guessed me around 2 inches shorter, although he claimed to be taller than he is. I said I'm nearly a whole head taller than you that's not a 5 inch difference. He's not very height aware though in his defence.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 26/Nov/19
@ Nik - And many well over that height! What he is forever pointing out is that it was the determination that made the soldier - not his height.
c-mo said on 26/Nov/19
@ Christian 6'5 3/8

I often also include west asians such as kurds , turks, georgians , armenians , lebanese , north iranians etc. . because I am west asian myself and we are also caucasians but not european . but since the average height in many european countries is higher than in west asia I also often take only europe into account because I live in europe
Goel175cm said on 25/Nov/19
@ Rob,
Is that true Northern Europeans are taller than Southern Europeans?
Editor Rob
From the stats available it seems that way.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 25/Nov/19
Isn't there a minimum height requirement to join the military though? (Maybe it's because the British military so it's different) I know that the US military for men is minimum 5'0".
Guest66 said on 25/Nov/19
I live in Texas and work in the construction field, I see a lot of men on the daily basis, there’s plenty of 5’10” guys there, and encountering a 6’0”+ Mexican is not rare at all, trust me. So being “tallish” at something like 5’10.5” is definitely out of the question, with so many guys being roughly the same height with you or taller. I don’t know what’s wrong with campuses Greg and Bobby go, it just seems like the majority of people are well below the average height there.
cmillz said on 25/Nov/19
I can buy a 5’10 average in some of the affluent suburbs in Chicago
cmillz said on 25/Nov/19
I’ve been to Manhattan and the average almost felt like it was 5’8 range tbh. Chicago definitely seems like a taller city to me.
AndrewV said on 25/Nov/19
We're not excluding minorities or suggesting that they don't count as people (I'm a minority too lol), only that young white men average 5'10" which is the most relevant to people on here since their peer groups are largely young and white. Since you mentioned you live in a diverse area, then the 5'9" general average may very well be relevant for your purposes. Foe me though, I'm basing my observations of the average off of white and black guys in my age group since that's the demographic I'm almost always around here. The most common heights for men here are 5'9"-5'11".

Dad's 5'9" and mom was 5'7" in her prime, now she's a strong 5'6". Fairly tall for Thai people, especially for their generation. How common are 6'0+ and 5'7"+ white men and women in your area?
Greg said on 25/Nov/19
@Person111 absolutely not, that’s now how it is I’ve seen plenty of 5’8-5’9ish guys claim 5’11,6’0 and 6’1. It’s not about what they think they can get away with because I’ve seen a guy who was no more than 5’5-5’6 claim 5’10, and the other day I was returning a lost wallet to my uber passenger and I noticed on his license he had 6’1 on his license yet when I was face to face with him he couldn’t have been more than 5’9. Goes to show that it’s not about what they think they can get away with but it is their ideal too. I noticed you’re entirely bias and opinionated when it comes to 5’10 being someone’s ideal height because there’s no way right? You definitely know all the 5’8 guys and you have done an extensive interview with them on behalf of Rob Paul’s Holy Stadiometer and they told you that’s theres just no way. You have sinned in the name of height and now you will be charged on Papa Big G Longsleeves behalf. Now that we got that out of the way this is how it goes 5’10-5’11 below average, 6’0 barely average 6’2 average range , 6’4 is tallish 6’7.5is legit tall , 6’9-6’10 is very tall, and 7’5 is giant range this is the and that’s the bottom line because stone cold said so☝️
Lell said on 25/Nov/19

It depends on when you hit puberty I'll say. If you haven't hit it then you can end up at like 6'3" or something, but if you are an early bloomer you may hit like 5'11". It is really hard to say and only time will tell, but a rough guess is around 6 feet.
Sean william Winter said on 25/Nov/19
ajax so your 5,9.5 hardly any difference between us.
Johan 185 cm said on 25/Nov/19
Sakz said on 24/Nov/19

@Johan 185cm I have a friend who I tower by around 9 inches and he actually guessed me shorter than I am. Sometimes it can just appear as a number, though when someone is that much shorter I don't expect them to be able to gauge the difference accurately.


Thats actually crazy. I also have a friend who I tower over with 10 inches difference. He casually described me to a friend on discord as being 2 meters tall and built like a tank. haha.
Nik Ashton said on 25/Nov/19
@ Sandy Cowell - Your boyfriend has trained excellent soldiers who are well under 5’9”. 👌

My Grandad fought in the war and he was about 5’3”.
Person111 said on 24/Nov/19
@Greg – 5’10 is the minimum height sought out by males because that’s the highest height they can get away with claiming. A lot of 5’8 guys claim to be 5’10 because that’s more believable than claiming 6’0. They’re not claiming to be 5’10 because that’s their ideal height, they’re only claiming it because that’s the most believable. They would be laughed at if they claimed anything taller. So no, shorter guys claiming 5’10 doesn’t mean they want to be 5’10, it’s because that’s the tallest they can get away with claiming. A 5’7-5’8 guy can never get away with claiming to be 6’0+. If they could pick any height to be, it wouldn’t be 5’10.

@Bobby – the fact that you rarely see 5’11 guys is proof you live in a short area. In a first world country like Canada, that shouldn’t be a rare height. How can your opinion on average height be accurate when you rarely see a common height such as 5’11? I live in a city with 50% minorities and 5’11 guys still aren’t rare.

No one is disputing the general average height. We’re not talking about the overall average height, we’re specifically talking about whites, not because minorities don’t count, but because most people here are white and the white average is the most relevant to them.

People here are asserting that whites average under 5’10, which is absurd. Rob agrees the young generation average is closer to 5’10 than 5’9. Click Here

5’10 is still an average height once you include all demographics. It’s not far enough away from the average to be considered above average. Average is a range, not one specific height. 5’10 is neither short, not tall, which is the definition of average height. Having an IQ of 105 doesn’t make someone above average intelligence. It’s still an average IQ.
Equal said on 24/Nov/19
My ideal height would probably be 5’10. I’m 5’7.5” and walking around downtown Manhattan not too long ago, I definitely felt short. Guys towers over and even some of the women were noticeably taller than I was. If we’re being realistic, however, I’d want to strive for 5’8.5”. It can pass for both 5’9” and 5’10” (to some extent). (19, btw).
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 24/Nov/19
Yes, I probably would. I don't consider my height to be bad though.

Another poster here that has a Eurocentric view on height is C-mo, no offense to him. He only considers young and middle aged white guys when talking about averages.
Person111 said on 24/Nov/19
@AndrewV - how tall are your parents?
Grayloth said on 24/Nov/19
@Johan 185 cm

So you are saying they didn't use measured heights? Can you prove that because I was certain it was.

I am not as good as some of you guys on this site are at judging other peoples height but it's very noticeable that south europeans are around 5 cms shorter than north europeans. For example, I saw alot of guys in the 165-170 cms zone when I visited Barcelona, which I rarely see here in Sweden.

When I visited Holland though, I felt pretty much the same height as I do here in Sweden but they could have been a little taller I guess. The first time I visited my father and mother tagged along and him being 182 cms tall, I used him as a reference and he looked pretty much average height in Amsterdam. So if swedes are 181 cm it is not impossible that dutch men can be 183 cm.
Greg said on 24/Nov/19
@Sakz that’s why I hate this selective bias on this forum because when someone doesn’t agree with someone’s view instead of considering the possibility they just instantly say “no this can’t be true if I don’t believe this then it must be this way or no way” like half of what you read on this forum has become bullsh. Exactly tall people want to be taller like look at Ellis he’s 6’7 and wants to be 7’5 how normal is that? But then again it’s his life and if he wants standout attention let him.
Greg said on 24/Nov/19
@Bobby well said, it’s best not to feed the troll at this point we can’t take person111 seriously lol for all we know she could be a man, or she could be some 6’3 guy just messing around or 5’3 guy or whatever we never know sometimes who might be behind the keyboard and yes Philadelphia is very diverse wouldn’t have said it was a Short region at all! Actually the heights are all over the place, I seen a 6’3 range guy in a basketball team in line with me last night, the other players where all white too but seemed closer to average or below 5’9, like they weren’t even close to 6’0 I’ll tell you that because I was close to 6’0 with my boots at night maybe like 5’11 7/8ths and I was taller than the majority. I was probably the 2nd tallest person in line (not counting that 6’1 girl who works there)
Greg said on 24/Nov/19
@Bsh2005 5’10.5-6’0, if you don’t grow past 5’10 I’ll be surprised.
Greg said on 24/Nov/19
@AndrewV yeah that’s if you where 5’9, you’re actually above average at 5’10, and at like 5’10.5-5’10.75” you would be at the start of tallish in the U.S UK and several other places excluding Amsterdam.
ajax509 said on 24/Nov/19
Sean william Winter said on 23/Nov/19
ajax why bro morning hieght isnt relevant. person 111 nah most guys want to be 6ft minimum. maybe 5'11 is the minimum. and like 6'1 is perfect for me.ajax i dont even remeber but your like 6ft 1 or something???
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 24/Nov/19

You've nearly caught up to your dad's height, and quite quickly too. I'd say you can expect to hit no less than 5'10 and no more than 6'0, but you never know. I'd say you have a strong chance of 5'11 though.
Sakz said on 24/Nov/19
@Greg That's true. Even in general there are a lot of tall people who want to be taller so it throws the whole idea of an ideal height out the window. It's like a rich person wanting to make more money just to further enhance their reputation. 'More' prevails in these situations.

@Bobby Purely among young white males 5'10 is probably right around average (provided the stats are correct). Include all demographics though and it's above average no doubt.

@Johan 185cm I have a friend who I tower by around 9 inches and he actually guessed me shorter than I am. Sometimes it can just appear as a number, though when someone is that much shorter I don't expect them to be able to gauge the difference accurately.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 24/Nov/19
@ cmillz - I'd actually like to ask my boyfriend if he'd like to trample around in a pair of 6ft3 shoes. I think he'd hit me with the nearest pamphlet! 🖕

He's 5ft9 and it hasn't done him any harm!
daad1234 said on 24/Nov/19
@BsH2005 Theoretically you should have ended up around 5'8.75, but since that formula which predicts height is bull and every guy except me outgrow their dad, I would guess you'll end up around 5'11.
Emil said on 24/Nov/19

Hard to say really. My guess would somewhere between 5'11-6'1.

I was 5'4 at your age, but I was a bit of a late bloomer as well, and now I'm 6'0
Emil said on 23/Nov/19
@Khaled taban

Your height is absolutely great. There's little likelihood that you'll ever experience spinal complications, you can easily find clothes that fit your body, you can still sit on a plane without feeling cramped up, you're solidly average, and you should just feel great about being who you are, man.
Trust me, it starts being a pain in the ass once you're even over 6'2, since it'll be harder to find befitting clothes, standing up inside the subway is really uncomfortable, there's a higher risk of experiencing spinal complications, sitting on a plane or in the back of a car is backbreaking, and you'll stand out in big crowds constantly.
Be grateful, bro, many tall guys wish they were your height although they wouldn't like to admit it
cmillzz said on 23/Nov/19
If you could, would you shrink down to 6’3 though, rather than stay at your current height?
AndrewV said on 23/Nov/19
6'1" sharp in the morning and hover around 184cm at night.

Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with just being average. There's definitely an appeal in not wanting to stand out at all. 5'10" would be a nice average height where you'll basically never feel short and be able put on lean mass more easily.

There's no such thing as an objectively good or bad height. 5'9" is in the average range for the US, hardly anyone will remark or comment on your height.
BsH2005 said on 23/Nov/19
Hey, I’m 14yo and 5ft 9.25, my mum is 5ft 2.75 and my dad is 5ft 9.75 - 5ft 10 range, how tall can I expect to grow to?
Cedric 172 cm said on 23/Nov/19
I'm around 172-172.4 most the time, my lowest is 171.8 cm.
I pass for a solid 5'8 guy for my proportions.

@Christian and Canson

The tallest i want to be is 6'2.5" but with good proportions, 190 guys looks big.
Sakz said on 23/Nov/19
@AndrewV The point being 'tall' is a subjective term. We live in a world where 5'9 is sometimes described as short after all. I agree with your assessments of the height ranges.

@Emil Inflation has caused people to have a false perception of certain heights. With 6'0 it's more apparent since a lot of average height people claim it.
Sean william Winter said on 23/Nov/19
178 cm eyelevel then your 189.5 cm/. how can you be only 184 cm? daycringoethon.
Sean william Winter said on 23/Nov/19
ajax why bro morning hieght isnt relevant. person 111 nah most guys want to be 6ft minimum. maybe 5'11 is the minimum. and like 6'1 is perfect for me.ajax i dont even remeber but your like 6ft 1 or something???
Greg said on 23/Nov/19
@Person111 see now you’re being bias, all because you think 5’10 is average doesn’t mean that no guy wants to be 5’10, in fact 5’10 is one of the minimum heights sought by males, which is why you see a lot of guys who are 5’7-8 claim to be 5’10, look at Khaled taban he would to be 5’10 it’s a well balanced height. You’re delusional because you think 5’10 is average and 5’6 is too, it’s obviously above average. I guarantee if you take 50 random guys from the UK or US or even some parts of Europe outside of the tall cities and measure them you’ll see most guys fall between 5’8 and 5’9 some will be over and under but no way in hell 5’10 is average. Honestly if somebody has their ideal let them be just because you don’t think something is ideal doesn’t mean someone else won’t. There’s some guys who think 5’5 is ideal, who would you be to tell them otherwise? I agree with AndrewV 5’10 is within ideal range, there’s 6 footers here who want to be taller it has nothing to do with height but with people who think taller is better and wanting more.
Greg said on 23/Nov/19
@Person111 I live in a regular area where the average is 5’9, if I lived somewhere that had a 5’5 male average or close to that it would be considered a short area I didn’t say most of those guys in my area are of said height I was just stating what I observed on campus. That being said there’s many 6 footers too, you wouldn’t know because you don’t live here. I live in a normal average height area not short nor tall.
Johan 185 cm said on 23/Nov/19
Emil said on 22/Nov/19
6'0 is such an unacknowledged height - most of the times when other people have commented on my stature they mention that I'm quite tall. But the moment I tell them that I'm 6'0, they always retreat and say "oh then you aren't that tall after all" lol.
Thing is most people have no idea how tall it really is


Happens even at 185 cm Emil. I get guessed by guys alot as 188-189cm but women guess me 190 cm and when I correct them they say the same thing. The fact you're towering over them means nothing just some number apparently.
Johan 185 cm said on 23/Nov/19
Grayloth said on 22/Nov/19
Click Here

According to these statistics dutch men average about 182.5 cms and dutch women 168,7 cms. Add 0,3-0,5 cms (it said 0,4 cms in the TNO height-link you posted) to get the average height for ethnic dutch which means 183 cm for ethnic dutch men and 169 cm for ethnic dutch women which to me seems reasonable.

But this height chart also seems a bit off. The french are taller than the swedes for example. I have been to France and they are definetely shorter than scandinavians. And latvian women being the tallest. Sounds a bit off too.


Alot of self reporting I am afraid. Belgians are pretty tall as well but they are at least an inch shorter than us. According to that chart they are 1 cm shorter. I would have guessed Belgians as 5'10.5"-5'11" max. Here we are 5'11.5"-6".

French men are around 5'8.5"-5'9". I always felt tall there when going for work/holiday. So I doubt they are anywhere near Swedes or finns etc. However I have never been to Northern Europe so I can only accept the word of posters here who live there.

Notice also that Germany is nowhere near the top, and around 5'10.5-5'10.75" overall. I would guess maybe young guys are near that range but general population is not that different from Austria and shorter than Belgians ( my experience).

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