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anametoremember says on 21/Mar/10
HSB, would you date a guy 5'10 or less? I'm 5'10 and I'm often attracted to girls your height
Bo says on 21/Mar/10
This site makes me sad and reminds me every day that I'm under 6 foot. I'm done coming on here Brian says on 21/Mar/10
You know, after going through my first season of it, I'd have to say that the most interesting sport height-wise would probably be wrestling. It's obviously not like a sport such as basketball where height is exclusively an asset, but it's not like a sport like gymnastics where you'd only want to be as short as possible either, nor is it even a more height-neutral sport like soccer.
I've heard a lot of people say "Wrestling is meant for short, stocky guys", and I'm sorry, but those people probably know next to nothing about the sport, and they most definately have never been to a wrestling meet or tournament. Sure, short/stocky builds will have a lower center of gravity and be much more stable and possibly stronger than the taller guys, but the boys who are tall for their weight class will have much longer limbs to sink in which helps with a wealth of moves in the sport, are much more flexible, and have a much easier time riding opponents since they can reach the ground easier. You never want to be too tall or too short for a weight class since the disadvantages you face will likely become overwhelming, but the wrestler with more length usually has the advantage going into the match. That's not to say that short, stocky guys can't play their heights to their advantage, because a lot of them end up as state champions. The sport is really welcoming to every build you can think of, which is why I'd actually bet money that you'll see the widest range of heights and builds that you'd see anywhere at a wrestling tournament (I'm 6'3.5"-6'4" and 200 lbs and I've wrestled kids several inches taller than me as well as kids probably 10 inches shorter).
Collegiate/Olympic wrestling usually is a bit less diverse: Consistently athletic, muscular builds whose weights are at least somewhat proportional to their heights. Height is especially important for heavyweights, though. Those guys can get much more physical, and as such coaches will probably want some big, tall bodies wrestling for them. From what I've looked up, it seems like college and Olympic heavyweights are a minimum of 6'0", but prefarably 6'2"-6'4", though there are also alot of 6'5"-ers who rise in the ranks. In many physical sports like wrestling and boxing, the top athletes seem to be getting both bigger and taller, and while that seems somewhat true in wrestling there is always going to be a weight limit, so wrestlers will only be able to get so big. MD says on 21/Mar/10
AKK, where in the world do you live that 5'8" would make you tall, just wondering? Aleks says on 20/Mar/10
HSB says on 19/Mar/10
Why can't people be happy with their height?? I'm a girl and at 5'9 I'm taller than a good chunk of the guys in my school. Height should not distract from your personality, or how you look. I don't understand why guys feel they have to be over 6' or girls under 5'5 to be attractive. If you have enough self confidence and carry your height like you mean it you should be fine with how you look.
HSB, have you ever worried about your weight? I bet you did, even if you are truly skinny.
Height is to men what weight is to women. We are very concerned about it. It's very hard for a guy to feel "manly" when he's shorter than his peers. GF says on 20/Mar/10
Vibram, only a 1.5 cm difference? I go from 175 cm at night to 178 cm+ in the morning. More than 3 cm difference depending on sleeping habits etc. Diego says on 20/Mar/10
Ive got a question, how many centimeters you grow after 18? Lozzer says on 20/Mar/10
Vibram. I tell you what, I am a LOT worse off than you. I'm 5'8". I get girls. My proportions are way out and I just wear clothes to change how I look. I have a big head, fat legs and a wide torso. Just gotta wear stuff, e.g. long coats, parkas, baggy trackies, which make you look in the proportions you want. I wear flared/baggy jeans, ALWAYS cover my butt, where there is a lot of fat, and sometimes a long coat to cover my body. Sorted! You're fine. Tyga says on 20/Mar/10
@Longarmed: Have you gotten your growth spurt yet? because When I was 17, I took this amino acid supplement called Growth-Booster Plus from growtall.com and I seriously think it helped me grow 1" in a few months. You say you're 16 so this can probably help you grow a few more inches. But I wouldn't take it unless you've gone through your big growth spurts first. Ted says on 20/Mar/10
you have to remember Vibram you are about 5" taller than most women, so with men you may appear average, but you are taller than women and most women just want a man taller than them, though that is subject to other more importsant considerations. And women dont mind going out with or marrying really ugly men, if other matters are involved. Anonymous says on 20/Mar/10
Do you guys measure yourself with perfect posture or with normal walking posture? c-mo says on 20/Mar/10
haha vibram i am exact the same height as you :D morning height very late night height everything is similar to my height ....and i have this feelings like you ...its really weird :D ZAQ says on 20/Mar/10
@ HSB
Your a 5'9 girl, which is not a good height for a girl from observations
Do you have trouble dating guys, do guys flirt with you, how tall are the guys that do Mike says on 20/Mar/10
Vibram says on 17/Mar/10
Here's a pic of me in my apartment corridor some years ago: Click Here
Please note that photo was taken in 2003 (age 25) and the camera was on the mail boxes (about 3ft high) so I'm gonna look taller than say from a camera placed at eye level.
So, I was 5ft9.5 + 1.25 shoes = 5ft10.75 in that pic. I was slight built / low mass back then as well... something like 148lbs (67kgs). I'm now around 165lbs (76kg) and a lot more filled out.
Did I look small? Stunted looking bones /shoulders/ arms / legs? Feedback appreciated... even negative comments.
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LOL. The answer would be no, Vibram. You look perfectly normal in that pic, infact, due to the camera angle you look around 6ft. I think by now you must realise its all in your head? Vibram says on 20/Mar/10
I measure myself 176cm at 10am through to about 10pm. Early morning is 177cm, very late night 175.5cm. Armspan is same height.
Yes, the camera was placed at 3ft height, if that, so I'm gonna look taller. I think the most important height - in terms of getting judged - to take shots would be at the majority of girls eye levels, so that would be about 4" inches below 5ft2 to 5ft7 (or whatever height ranges of girl your interested in - usually the distance is 4" from top of head to eyes). James says on 20/Mar/10
AKK I totally agree with. whats bizzare is you will get 6'6 guys dating 5'2 women LOL. rocketman says on 20/Mar/10
If that is really Vibram then hes even more pathetic than I thought. Hes a good looking dude physically. Im now pretty sure hes playing a joke on you guys and just stringing you all along for the ride. Bohm says on 20/Mar/10
I wonder if vibram will respond anytime soon...
O_O. AKK says on 19/Mar/10
James: Yep. More or less what I feel. I'm "only" 5'8" myself, but that already puts me in the 60th percentile for all men, where I live(at a rough guess. Out of every 10 guys, maybe 4-6 will be shorter than myself, 1 or 2 about my height, and the remaining 2-4 taller). Young women here can be as small as 4'10"(I know for sure that my boss is way under 5', as she's not even up to my chin, and she wears wedges/platforms), all the way up to 5'10"(very rare. May see maybe 2-4 in a week). When I'm standing near anyone who's below my chin, I start feeling all awkward and self-conscious. Mostly because I have to be careful with where my arms and feet go(when you're more than half a foot taller than someone, a careless arm swing or accidentally stepping on their toes WILL hurt). And yes, if I was with a girl shorter than my chin, I'd feel almost like a paedophile. :P HSB says on 19/Mar/10
Why can't people be happy with their height?? I'm a girl and at 5'9 I'm taller than a good chunk of the guys in my school. Height should not distract from your personality, or how you look. I don't understand why guys feel they have to be over 6' or girls under 5'5 to be attractive. If you have enough self confidence and carry your height like you mean it you should be fine with how you look. GF says on 19/Mar/10
@ Finnian - the reason most men would prefer 6'9" over 5'5" is because the ideal height to them is about 6'1". Tall, but not too tall. 6'9" is 8 inches above that and 5'5" is 8 inches below that so it's an even choice to them. Because of this, they would rather size up.
I'm 5'10" barefoot morning height and I don't really care to be any taller or shorter. Anonymous says on 19/Mar/10
Height is not taht big of a deal, My brother is 177/178cm and I dont class him as small at all, about average certainly not small and I am Just over 6'2- 189cm, The tallest height I would want to be is 6'4, My mate is 6'6- 198cm and he always gets stares and people asking him his height, I think the height where people talk a lot is 198 cm or more, My height I think is tall but not too tall, I am smaller than loads and taller than loads so is a decent height. Jake says on 19/Mar/10
Josh says on 19/Mar/10
Taking the photo from bottom makes one seem way taller. That's why Vibram looks taller than he actually i
Vibram doesn't look 5'9.5" on this pic. It is taken from bottom and it makes illusion. In contrast, when taken from top, people tend to look shorter Anonymous says on 19/Mar/10
Vibram, everybody hates a "stunted" competent man? Really? In light of your posts you hardly come off as a competent person! Also you seem to be mentally stunted. Stop being such a drama queen. anametoremember says on 19/Mar/10
wow vibram. You look perfectly normal on that photo. You don't even look ectomorph or skinny at all, and you say you're bigger now? Seriously mate, your issues are a lack of confidence and nothing physical. Curious says on 19/Mar/10
@Vibram. What time during the day do you measure yourself to 176? ZAQ says on 19/Mar/10
Vibram i agree with everyone else you dont look really short
your can pull off a 5'10 easily
can you post up a picture of you in your early to late teens if you have any, with your face i want to see how you looked, since you say you got treated badly for looking young Ted says on 19/Mar/10
Vibram your problem is you sit and complain and make excuses.
In life you play the cards you have got, because thats all you have.
From the looks of you I know people, shorter, uglier, punier who have great lives, girlfriends because instead of blaming the world they get out and make the most of what they have.
I have worked with bouncers in the west end ( Leceister Square - Hippodrome)punier and smaller than you and no-one messes with them.
To quote Mark Twain
" Its not the size of the dog in a fight, its the size of the fight in a dog.
You mate have very little fight. James says on 19/Mar/10
Vibram you just look like a normal guy with a small frame. Like you said you were only 148lbs, which for a grown man is small, i.e. I'm 17 just and im 175lbs 178cm and people think im normal. Pack some muscle on your frame, especially lats/shoulders and you'll look taller and better. Josh says on 19/Mar/10
Taking the photo from bottom makes one seem way taller. That's why Vibram looks taller than he actually is. James says on 19/Mar/10
AKK well I am tall at 5'11-6' and I have dated a girl that is 5'11 and loved it. When I am with short girls it feels like holding hands with a little girl and it does not appeal to me at all. Tall women tend to be more elegent and age better in my opinion. Ted says on 19/Mar/10
Vibram, slim joints is good for looking solid as when you build muscle, it is all about proportion, muscle size v wrist, waist measurement etc. I have slim wrists so my biceps forearms look even bigger thasn they really are. Ted says on 19/Mar/10
Vibram
I dont know what your problem is. You are reasonably tall slim, and look slightly above average build.
From your talk I thought you would look like a deformed stringbean with 3 ears. 177cmmm says on 19/Mar/10
armspan 198 GF says on 19/Mar/10
@ Darby - Yes, 5'8" is very tall for a girl. Remember the norms: 5'4" - 5'4.5" for a female. 5'9.5" - 5'10" for a male. Anything above the norm is considered tall so a female at 5'8" is way above that mark. That would be like a male being 6'1.5".
@ Kerem - IDK honestly. I have measured myself straight out of bed after sleeping 9-10 hrs and I've measured myself after staying up 24 hrs straight. There is up to a 1.25 inch height difference for me in extreme cases. Most people generally go by what they are measured as at the Doctor's office which is usually their mid-day height, about 1/2 inch shorter than morning height. JayB says on 18/Mar/10
@Timbo, how did you grow in your late 20's?
@Vibram, in your picture you look perfectly normal and well proportioned. The problem isn't you're height. It's you're huge lack of confidence. People probably can sense it just from being around you. Bo, now it's your turn to post you're picture. OldBoy says on 18/Mar/10
In my opinion its not a big problem if people measure themselves with normal shoes and claim that height as it was barefoot because the truth is that no one walks on the street barefoot.
However I agree that the barefoot height is the most truthful.
But I say again that there is no point of giving out your barefoot height because you dont walk in the streets barefoot. I am talking about normal shoes though (2,2.5cm), not elevator shoes or heels of course. :) OldBoy says on 18/Mar/10
Can anyone tell me how can I measure myself efficiently? The fact is that my sister measured me the other day with a measured tape and she said I was 176cm but Im not sure if I was measured accurately. JayB says on 18/Mar/10
For all you 5'9" guys feeling short(Vibram and Bo) and saying your height "holds" you back. All of these guys in this video are 5'8" or under and very rich, successful and probably not even considered very good looking. Click Here
Lil' Wayne is 5'5.5", Kevin Rudolf is 5'7", Jay Sean is 5'7", and Birdman is 5'8".
If height matters so much, then tell my how they made it? 6footer says on 18/Mar/10
Vibram, your problems with women have nothing to do with your looks. Granted you are not Brad Pitt or Hugh Jackman, you are not Phillip Seymore Hoffman or Michael Moore either. You have above average looks, now go see a therapist about your issues and you will be sleeping with gorgeous women in no time! Good luck brother! OldBoy says on 18/Mar/10
Vibram, you dont look short in that picture. Kristen says on 18/Mar/10
Darby, 5'8 is somewhat tall for a young woman, but it's nothing that really stands out in a crowd of young women.
I think Wow and others made excellent points, but I don't post here because I'm insecure. I'm interested in factors and statistics associated with height, such as average heights in different countries and in different historical eras, etc. Anonymous says on 18/Mar/10
Yes, I agree with Kerem, msot height measuremnts are done in morning/ forenoon a few hours after we are awake on Morning, some say you measure between 180-182 to give height as 181cm If a solid 181, giving 182 is ok, I am 19 and I measure myself at 193cm- 6'4. Finnian says on 18/Mar/10
America is too obsessed with men being tall!
On another board there was a question, "Would you rather be 5'5" or 6'9"? Most guys there answered 6'9" because they could play basketball, be an alpha male, etc. One even said "5'5. Ha Ha, who would want to be 5'5" indicating that they think it's a horrible height. A few were smart enough to realize someone who is 6'9" would have to get everything custom made, endure tall comments and stares, and have a difficult life.
This is how bad it is:
Guys would rather be 6'9"(a whole foot above the average!)
than 5'5"(only 4 inches below average, and much more normal) phil says on 18/Mar/10
you look well proportioned vibram and tallish in your photo.Its a shame you feel so bad about your physical appearance man. Tropico says on 18/Mar/10
I lol'd at Vibram's latest comment. Seriously hahahahahaha!
Vibram says on 18/Mar/10
Everybody FEARS a competent stunted young looking man. EVERYBODY.
hahahahahaha.
Also a lot of celebrities are bow legged, Jensen Ackles and Luke Pasqualino to name but a few. Stop acting like you've been denied looking like a human.
I lol at you, hopefully you shrink to 5'7" in your old age. That'll teach you a lesson, stop making other average guys feel bad about themselves, not to mention other guys who are shorter than you.
It's depressing how mentally weak you are...
Vibram says on 18/Mar/10
I'm just sick of the UK's attitude that if your not 6ft+, over 5ft10 at least, and robust in build, then your a lesser man who needn't bother competing...or do so at his peril. So sick a country hellbent on breeding hypermasculine looking, 6ft6 strapping He-Man males.
I'm a skinny looking guy and 'narrow' boned like yourself, and everyone thinks I'm cool (not blowing my own trumpet), SHOCKER. Yes the media does make out these ideals which not everyone's genetics can compete with...but so what? Are you that weak that you let the media control the way you see society, and your self? ...did I hear a yes? hahahaha lol
Ignore him guys, his views aren't valid. Don't help him and bo, just ignore them. They'll hopefully go away and actually seek help from an expert who deals in paranoid superficial people like them. Bohm says on 18/Mar/10
Vibram, If anything you look like a biggish guy :D. LongArmed says on 18/Mar/10
Hi everyone,
I read somewhere that your height is supposed to be very similar to your wingspan, is this true? I recently measured my wingspan, it is 170cm (~5'6), but I am only 160cm (~5'3) in height. When I stand, my arms go down pretty far past my waist, is this normal? I think that my arms have developed normally, but my legs are somewhat short, especially the section between my knee and ankle. I am right now 16, is there any way for me to induce growth to my legs? cheif says on 18/Mar/10
Vibram bud, im quite critical, but you look pretty decent, i think you looked a solid 5'11 in that picture... why not get a little inch lift, and put it under your sole? I think it'd get you close to your ideal. Also, body language would make you look better, shoulders back, chest out, relax, don't be so hard on yourself, your body is looking a lot more solid Jacob says on 18/Mar/10
@ Vibram
You look like an everyday, avarage guy to me.. I really cannot understand your personal issues as you don't even look small. AKK says on 18/Mar/10
James: It's partly society, and overall civilisation. In ancient times, the old hominid women constantly selected for larger males(who can dominate, grab more resources from smaller/weaker males, etc.), and somewhere along the way, some of the men were also so big that there was no way the female could avoid getting impregnated(ie, rape), and so, over time, society's perception is that "The man must ALWAYS hulk over the woman.". Me, I like a girl who looks as much like me as possible(but more girly, obviously, and I don't consider height a sexually dimorphic trait for the purpose of this calculation).
Vibram: Only the arms look a little skinny. In all seriousness, the picture makes you look like a 6' fellow, easily. Try taking a similar, unlabelled pic(obviously, don't use this same pic, maybe even do a Rob and cut out the face), post it on another site, and ask "How tall do I look?". Legs look fairly long, neck looks fairly thick, shoulder/chest region looks decently filled out. You definitely don't look "small" to me.
I'll see if I can't take a decent pic of myself now for posting here. Robinson says on 18/Mar/10
I'm 6'6 and 185lbs. Robinson says on 18/Mar/10
I'm 6'6, combined with 185lbs, but living in holland. So there are more like me :p Santana says on 18/Mar/10
In Serbia and in Holland, if we take 10 men, how many of them are over 185cm? I do not think that 6-7 are over 185cm! This is ridicilous! Yes, of course 4-5 may be are 185cm and over 185cm... People think that every people in these countries are over 185cm :) Bryan says on 18/Mar/10
Vibram if i saw your face more clear in that photo i could've sworn you look exactly like Mark Wahlberg.... the similar height and body build. You're wearing which looks like boots and it's giving you a legit image of at least 5'11 (180cm). I'm 183cm in the morning and i don't really consider 177cm "short" it's just a standard but effective height :) Kerem says on 18/Mar/10
Height should be measured in the morning. If we weigh ourself in the morning, of course we have to take our other measurements in the morning. After 1 hour or may be 2 hours later woke up, people can measure themselves I think. My proffesional basketball player friend told me that you had to measure yourself in the morning! After 5 hours later you have to measure yourself sentence is weird I think! Another says that after 8-10 hours later you have to meausre yourself! very funny I think! height should be meausured in the morning! Vibram says on 18/Mar/10
Bohm says on 17/Mar/10
vibram whats your inseam?
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Measure 31.5" from crotch to ground. Wear 32" jeans length (uk size). My legs bow after the knee (shin bones), it's kinda depressing and people have pointed it out. It looks comical like Charlie Chaplin. Other male relatives don't have this 'bowing' and they're a lot taller. I measure 8.2" around the ankle.
I just think I have bad bones all over: shoulders, wrists / arms, jaw - all are narrow/small and not defined. They just don;t look hefty, thick, pointy and masculine, most guys 'thicken out' before 23 at least. It;s the last phase of development, and I look like I haven't gone through it yet at the more advanced age of 31. Plus no decent beard growth either, so I have to remain clean shaven 24/7. It just sucks to still have the arrested bone development 'look" and be borderline short with it too (176cm is borderline short no matter what anybody say's, I know and feel it is). Even though I wear MEDIUM size tops (39" chest) people are quick to point out i'm small build. This makes me feel even worse.
I'm doing everything I can to thicken my bones and put on some muscle. I read bones reach peak density in the middle 30s. Lots of body and barbell weight exercises: push ups, pull ups squats etc. I just prey that I'll look like a Real Man one day instead of an intermediate man-boy (youth) who's been denied the rights of a man for long enough to the point of complete breakdown. Ageism is the biggest form of prejudice in the UK - it's the young (-or young looking) men and old men that suffer the most. Everybody FEARS a competent stunted young looking man. EVERYBODY.
What I've also noticed is that other countries don;t have this obsession with male height and "heft" (bone size / body size) and what not. I've been to Thailand and see much smaller men than me (in height and build structure) with very attractive wives (who aren't much smaller), kids and are allowed responsibilites as an adult man; their lack of manhood is never questioned by random jerks, people at work or women. I'm just sick of the UK's attitude that if your not 6ft+, over 5ft10 at least, and robust in build, then your a lesser man who needn't bother competing...or do so at his peril. So sick a country hellbent on breeding hypermasculine looking, 6ft6 strapping He-Man males. Oleg says on 18/Mar/10
Vibram, you look absolutely normal, seriously. Boyish as you said? Nooo, you don't look boyish at all. Plus you don't look 67kg as for me. Cuz I'm 179cm(morning) - 177cm(evening) 18 years old, I weigh 63kg and I look twice slimer than you. I also have slimer neck. I look very young, like I'm 15-16. What is your arm reach? Mine is the same as height - 178cm tommy says on 18/Mar/10
phil says on 17/Mar/10
tommy in Vibram's defence, we brits are pretty tall.I think you'll find we are a northern european nation and due to our mixed heritage (viking etc.) and relatively good diet, we have some tall people here. I'm 6ft 1 and feel fairly tall but everyday I'll see people much taller. Infact having visited Sweden and the Netherlands I would say they are not that much taller than the Brits.
ok i live in france and i thought we had a similar average height
i didn't know you were closer in height with northern countries
here in France in 1990 men were 5ft8 in average but there was a important increase in 20 years , now it is 5ft9.25 and close to 5ft10(177cm) for men under 30
if you are under 170cm or 173cm for az young man you are considered below average/short
5ft11-6ft is average tall some consider it tall and 6ft1 is tall
at 5ft9-5ft9.5 and 24 years old i am slightly on the shorter side of average and dead on average for all men Anonymous says on 18/Mar/10
Josh says "Also note that taller guys tend to have larger penises just like they have bigger feet/hands etc. That's why europeans have above-average penis sizes. Asians vice versa. "
LOL..what the heck is wrong with people here??? LOL..how deep do the problems go? None of this is true.. Timbo says on 18/Mar/10
Vibram-"Here's a pic of me in my apartment corridor some years ago: Click Here
Please note that photo was taken in 2003 (age 25) and the camera was on the mail boxes (about 3ft high) so I'm gonna look taller than say from a camera placed at eye level.
So, I was 5ft9.5 + 1.25 shoes = 5ft10.75 in that pic. I was slight built / low mass back then as well... something like 148lbs (67kgs). I'm now around 165lbs (76kg) and a lot more filled out.
Did I look small? Stunted looking bones /shoulders/ arms / legs? Feedback appreciated... even negative comments."
NO, you don't look short..because at 5'9.5" you aren't short. You're right in the middle of average range. If you're having problems in life, it sure as heck isn't from your height..probably from a huge lack of confidence. Timbo says on 18/Mar/10
Peteyork says "...Vibram if you are 177.3.."
Is Vibram really 177.3??? That what the heck is wrong with him? Why does he think he is short? Wow, mental issue around this site. Anonymous says on 18/Mar/10
.."I agree, according to an article i read on The Guardian the average male in the UK is 175.5 cm tall. But still rising. 5'9 is pretty much average. I don't know why so many guys here insist in 5'9 being short."
Becaue every single person here is reading this page out of insecrity. You can't get a solid opinion of what is average here. Klem says on 18/Mar/10
Vibram you don't look boyish even if your weight was low on that photo IMO. You look young for your age. I am 23 and also look pretty young for my age, still can't grow a proper beard or mustache, and somtimes I get the feeling that I would be treated differently if I looked more mature, but that is very rare, nothing to stress about. People guessed me 16 at 19 etc, even though I was 182cm and athletic build from 17 y.o on, but now that I am 23 its a bit better but I still have to show my ID now and then when buying alcohol.(and mind the limit here is 18) Anonymous says on 18/Mar/10
Vibram says on 17/Mar/10
Here's a pic of me in my apartment corridor some years ago: Click Here
Please note that photo was taken in 2003 (age 25) and the camera was on the mail boxes (about 3ft high) so I'm gonna look taller than say from a camera placed at eye level.
So, I was 5ft9.5 + 1.25 shoes = 5ft10.75 in that pic. I was slight built / low mass back then as well... something like 148lbs (67kgs). I'm now around 165lbs (76kg) and a lot more filled out.
Did I look small? Stunted looking bones /shoulders/ arms / legs? Feedback appreciated... even negative comments.
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Are you on drugs? Jonathan says on 18/Mar/10
Vibram, as for your pic, there's nothing really to gauge your height against except for the hallways ceiling. If that's a standard sized ceiling then I would say you look like a pretty normal dude. You look like you fall into a decent height category, which really proves you have a mental issue about your height. I'm sure, based on your attitude towards height, that if you were a full 5'10" or 5'11", you would still want to be taller. It's kind of sad really to see a guy of your height complaining because there are some really short guys that have to put up with so much crap. Seriously dude, based on your picture, you look like a perfectly normal dude. Go live life and be happy you're not 5'4". Jake says on 18/Mar/10
"Bo says on 15/Mar/10
How are u 5'9" guys getting guessed at being 5'11"? Do you have really long legs compared to your torso or something?"
I'm 5'9", and I constantly get guessed at 5'11" or taller. I do have long arms and legs, and my torso is pretty small. Plus I'm very lean. At 5'9" you can look pretty tall, but it depends on your proportions. jake says on 18/Mar/10
It's funny I'm an Australian teenager,17, and 182cm and outside of school (where I feel average or a bit above because its a tall school) I feel taller than most males and people comment on me being 'tall' occasionally. But these may be due in part to me being very slim Brian says on 17/Mar/10
So, in all seriousness, why are Bo and Vibram still posting on this page? They never actually respond to anyone trying to discuss anything with them, save for maybe saying "No, you're wrong. My life is terrible", and proceeding to repeat the same thing they've been saying for the last couple dozen comments. They totally avoid listening to dissent or even reason and manage to bring down this page for everyone else while doing it, and I've come to accept that. Many have tried reaching out to them before, but they've totally just blocked them out. It actually makes me wonder if they are actually okay with their heights because they feel it gives them a reason to complain about their lives to passerbys on the internet.
But here's the thing: This is a forum. If you really want to talk about how unfair the world is or how you were supposed to be a tall, stunning god among men but don't want to actually have a legitimate discussion about it, I would in all seriousness suggest writing an essay about it to yourself, or better yet, a letter to a psychiatrist. Oh wait, I forgot, you're not listening to this. Bohm says on 17/Mar/10
Hey guys if you could be tall, but most of the height had to come from your spine would you want to become tall that way? Bohm says on 17/Mar/10
Hey guys if you could be tall, but most of the height had to come from your spine would you want to become tall that way? tron says on 17/Mar/10
@tommy I agree, according to an article i read on The Guardian the average male in the UK is 175.5 cm tall. But still rising. 5'9 is pretty much average. I don't know why so many guys here insist in 5'9 being short. JayB says on 17/Mar/10
I think the average height discussion has gone on long enough and is going no where because everyone has a different opinion on average height. You're all just running around in circles. Bohm says on 17/Mar/10
vibram whats your inseam? Darby says on 17/Mar/10
Just a quick question: would you consider a true 5'8 tall for a girl? Anonymous says on 17/Mar/10
Big T- "...I guess that's how a lot of "average" guys feel- having 50% of the guys around you taller than you just doesn't feel so awesome."
And having 50% being smaller doesn't make you feel better? Seriously, get help guys. Nothing wrong with being average...you could have 9 people out of ten be taller than you. Anonymous says on 17/Mar/10
Bo says on 15/Mar/10
"How are u 5'9" guys getting guessed at being 5'11"? Do you have really long legs compared to your torso or something?"
I'm 5'8.5", and I've never been called short. I'm regularly guessed to be 5'10"..ha, I actually got in more than one arguments with ex girlfriends when I said I was closer than 5'9"..both said there was no way and I was crazy. What I explained to them, as I'm explaining here now, is that 5'8" or 5'9" guys so regularly claim to be 5'10" that they don't know what that height really looks like anymore. That is why a 5'9" guy can be guessed to be 5'11"..because people don't have a clue what 5'9" is at this point from all the lying. It also means that when people say "oh, 5'8" or 5'9" is really short," they actually are referring to people a lot shorter, people that they run into all the time that CLAIM 5'8", but aren't ever close to it. Josh says on 17/Mar/10
I agree with the logic that %50 percent of the guys are taller than average. If you are average girls tend to compare you with that %50 percent taller guys.That's why people think average man is short. They consider the other %50 percent as very short since it is even shorter than average. 172-173 cm (5'7"-5'8") sounds very short for men indeed. I also think that average woman is considered short as well. (5'4") phil says on 17/Mar/10
tommy in Vibram's defence, we brits are pretty tall.I think you'll find we are a northern european nation and due to our mixed heritage (viking etc.) and relatively good diet, we have some tall people here. I'm 6ft 1 and feel fairly tall but everyday I'll see people much taller. Infact having visited Sweden and the Netherlands I would say they are not that much taller than the Brits. ZAQ says on 17/Mar/10
Sure girls like good looking average height guys
but they also like good looking tall guys,
take randy orton for example girls go crazy for him, he's 6'4 and 245 all muscle Dc says on 17/Mar/10
Wow.. says on 13/Mar/10 Folks. I stumbled onto here tonight wanting to check out a particularly tall actor's height, and I ended up finding this general discussion section. I understand that the mods of this site will likely delete this, but I can say without hesitation that I've never seen anything comparable in 30 years on this planet..never could I have imagined that such a collection of insecure people could find one home.
Let me say a few things here regarding height, and especially the discussion of height on this site. 1) Every single person that chooses to be part of these ongoing height discussions does so because of insecurity. The tall people are here because it makes them feel good to call others short (height is probably all these people have). The average height guys that are here have not, for some reason, been able to accept that it is okay to be average, and so they bash guys their height as being "short," and really light into the guys shorter than them. The truly short guys are here to make themselves feel better, and, again, likely bash those shorter than them as "really short." What this means is that there is not one word of discussion here about what is tall, average, or short that can be honestly trusted. Everybody is biased for their own reasons. Again, NOBODY would ever spend time on a site like this if they didn't have either and arrogance or an insecurity about their height. EVER. Normal, secure people wouldn't have an interest.
2)90% of people lie about their height, and it means that your idea of what is short or tall is totally altered. 5'5" guys claim 5'7" regularly, so people think 5'7" is very short. 5'7" guys claim 5'9", so people think 5'9" is getting pretty short, but not awful. 5'10" guys claim 6 foot, so people think 6 foot is average. This kind of lying is the norm, period. Why do you folks think most people believe the average height is 5'11" or 6 foot for a younger guy?It is because nearly ALL 5'10" guys say they are 5'11" or 6 foot. This despite every single study I've ever heard of (and I've seen some as a law enforcement officer that is well acquainted with the heights of most populations)shows the average height to be 5'9"-5'10". At around 5'10" myself, I see people my height say they are 6 foot like clockwork..I know they are lying since I'm looking them in the eye. I meet a ton of people doing what I do, and the number of them that lie on their driver's license is INCREDIBLE. Honestly, I'd call it 80%-90% of guys under about 6'2"..past 6'2" they seem willing to tell the truth.
2) What this also means is that the heights being called "short" here, such as 5'8" or 5'9", or to some extent even 5'7", are being called short because the guys claiming 5'8" are NOWHERE near there. They are 5'6", sometimes 5'7" guys, calling themselves 5'8" or 5'9". This gives people the idea that these heights are short; it seems many (and certainly most of you here), do not realize this. If you want a real picture of what a 5'8" looks like, think of a guy you know that says he is 5'10". That's a 5'8" or 5'9" guy. Want a picture of a 5'10" guy? Think of a guy you know that says he is 5'11" or 6 foot. Seriously folks, you need to wade through the bullcrap people tell you.
The beauty of law enforcement work is you are trained to ACCURATELY judge height..kind of a key way to describe a suspect. I can tell you with confidence, if any of you care, what the average height range is here in the mid-west. The area I'm in is mostly white, and quite well to do. I'm going to mainly refer to men 20-50 here.
Below 5'7"-getting truly in the short range
5'7"-5'10"-the low end of average to the median. Very noraml and common.
5'10"-6'1"-the exact median to the high end of average.
6'2" and up-tall and less common.
That's is it period. You folks can think what you will, but that's the reality of things, based on the hundreds of people I encounter weekly.
I will never be here again to read responses, but I hope this makes a few of you feel better. Please understand that internalizning some of the comments on this page (this guy Bo comes to mind) is nothing but harmful to many of you, and it isn't reality. In fact, many of the comments here just aren't..seriously boys and girls, the things being said here are fueled by insecurity.
Best of luck to all of you, and no disrespect meant..I just don't see why people want to spend time obsessing about things they can't change. Take care, folks.
--Great Post by Wow.... seriously ppl if yur 18 or over yur probably done growing, you might get an inch or two but thats it.(unless late bloomer)..... I've come to the realisation that height doesnt matter as much as I thought, not everyone is meant to be tall accept that and move on, you only have one life to live, you dont want to look back at your life and regret all those moments wasting time wishing to be taller.... Live.Love.Laugh.. Peace Out. uk guy says on 17/Mar/10
Based on my own research and height surveys and reading up statistics i would say for the USA and UK the average is 5f9- 5ft10 at the moment with 5ft10 being average for 18-24 year old in the UK. Zinedine says on 17/Mar/10
I'm 16, 17 on April 18th and I'm 5'9, 5'10 in normal shoes/trainers. I'm actually really scared as I've been this height for about a year now, and this is when everyone around me has gone from 5'8 to around 5'11+. Some were around 5'7 and now they are 6'1, 6'2, etc. It's worrying beecause I don't know when I'm going to get my growth spurt or if I'm even going to get on. James says on 17/Mar/10
I think for an 18 year old male in the UK anything below 177cm is on the under average side/short side.
J.J yeah I see where your coming from and you would expect a tall farther to have a tall son but that is not the case unless the tall man marries a really wife and generally tall men don't like to date tall women becasue they don't feel dominate over them much like how short women don't always go for short men becasue they don't feel 'protected.' Even really tall men who marry above average height women don't always produce a son that will outgrow the farther. So if a son is feeling pissed about not growing as tall as his old man he can blame societys stereotype for that :) Bascily tall men and short women go hand in hand.
I also looked on adult height predictor calculator and I put the mums height as 6'0 and the dads height as 6'4 and the predicted height of the son came up as 6'5. I then typed in mums height 5'2 and dads height 6'4 and suprise the predicted adult of the son came up as 6'0. peteyork says on 17/Mar/10
You want to know what is average in uk including height just google the following
Adult Trend Tables 2008 UK
Average height for 16 to 24 has drop 0.5cm from 2007. Hence why the average is still 176.84cm based over 12 years. We have got 24mm taller in the UK in 50 years. Take a good look Vibram if you are 177.3 and 16 to 24 you are bang on average in 2008 in the UK. Since they only survey about 1000 men in each age group you have to take the 12 year average. Average height in the UK for young men is either 176 or 177cm depending on how many years you want to use to get your average. Hey Rob the info might help you with celebweights tommy says on 17/Mar/10
i think height obsession I agree is mostly an American thing. Americans are trained to view height as key to everything from attractiveness to business competence to simply being a real man. American sports place a premium on height (basketball and football and even baseball), even when unnecessary (many positions in football and baseball have no need for unusual height). Men of average height are routinely called not average but short, and even diminutive (mean so tiny as to be almost laughable). I can't count the number of times I've seen a 5'8 or 5'10 running back weighing in at 210 to 225 pounds of solid muscle described as "tiny," while a 6'1 190 pound received is described quite differently. i also think that most men are worried about their height if they don't reach at least 5ft11 or 6ft , so it's not a surprise you see people complaining to be 5ft9-5ft10 and feel short when some people consider average height short . most of us have ideal heights in our minds ( which is 180cm to 193cm) i personnaly think 180-185cm are the best heights but other people can want to be taller Donatello says on 17/Mar/10
Hey guys I'm back. I don't think I've been to these forums for like a year now but yeh I just measured myself after being awake for 16 hours for the first time in like a 6 months or something and I'm 5'6.3" does anybody remember what my lowest height was when I was posting before? tommy says on 17/Mar/10
Vibram says on 17/Mar/10
Yes there is an attitude amongst young males and females that your either a big or small man (no average) in UK and America. The medium range is being crushed in the vice. I've read/heard some 5ft5 females calling themselves short, which is laughable me thinks.
So, If you fall below 180cm for a white young man it seems your somewhat unimpressive, slightly on the small side and over that is somewhat good to go, with the ideal being 183cm - 193cm in young males minds. I think a 178cm man (measured afternoon) can just about get away with 180cm, but not the 175cm, 176cm guys who are 5ft10 1/2 in their best shoes... at best. Short starts at 177cm for sure here in the UK, that's where the line is drawn "the cusp of short".
british guys are not giants , you don't live in a northern country , i never read statistics which shows an average of 5ft11+ for young men
175cm -178cm is still average in uk , you would live in sweden , netherlands i would agree with you it would be below average but not in UK , even if at these height you can feel short sometimes but you are not Vibram says on 17/Mar/10
Here's a pic of me in my apartment corridor some years ago: Click Here
Please note that photo was taken in 2003 (age 25) and the camera was on the mail boxes (about 3ft high) so I'm gonna look taller than say from a camera placed at eye level.
So, I was 5ft9.5 + 1.25 shoes = 5ft10.75 in that pic. I was slight built / low mass back then as well... something like 148lbs (67kgs). I'm now around 165lbs (76kg) and a lot more filled out.
Did I look small? Stunted looking bones /shoulders/ arms / legs? Feedback appreciated... even negative comments. irishguy says on 17/Mar/10
tron, those OECD height statistics are extremely interesting. It shows that the average Irish 45-49 year old man is 175 and 20-24 year is up to 179, which is actually 5'10.5 now. There has been a large height growth in Ireland is the last twenty years.
It can be seen for young males around Europe, 5'11 is closer to the real overall average rather than 5'10.
Most countries are between 5'10.5 and 6'0, with just Italy (5'10), Spain (5'9.5) and Portugal (5'9.5) behind, but growing. J.J. says on 17/Mar/10
'James' I agree. But it always reflects ; like if there is a tall Dad the son will be tall & the girl will be shorter than her brother if her Mum is short. My mum is near enough 5'10" (177.4) & my sister is 176.5cm. My dad is 5'7.5". But if I was a girl my height would be 5'8" , hence shorter than my 5'9.5" sister. So the female gene is taller.
'Spur' 1.85cm a 6" heels with 1.5" platform gives 5" in height. So if you had a 5'9" girlfriend she'll be the same as you in shoes cos you'll be 6'2" in shoes. mike7 says on 17/Mar/10
guys I'm going to basilea next week. do you know what is average height there? how will I feel at 6ft1? Bo says on 17/Mar/10
Anyone know if it is normal to be 5'9" and have broader shoulders than 99% of guys all the way up to 6'2"ish? Is that a sign of stunted pubertal growth since it's your long bones that grow the most during puberty? Vibram says on 17/Mar/10
Bo, whats your inseam, pant length if you don't mind me asking? Vibram says on 17/Mar/10
Yes there is an attitude amongst young males and females that your either a big or small man (no average) in UK and America. The medium range is being crushed in the vice. I've read/heard some 5ft5 females calling themselves short, which is laughable me thinks.
So, If you fall below 180cm for a white young man it seems your somewhat unimpressive, slightly on the small side and over that is somewhat good to go, with the ideal being 183cm - 193cm in young males minds. I think a 178cm man (measured afternoon) can just about get away with 180cm, but not the 175cm, 176cm guys who are 5ft10 1/2 in their best shoes... at best. Short starts at 177cm for sure here in the UK, that's where the line is drawn "the cusp of short". tommy says on 17/Mar/10
why people consider heights under 180cm short?
average height doesn't exist? you are either short or tall? Big T says on 17/Mar/10
"BIG T- Where do you live? and what kind of work do you do? I'm curious where 5'10.5" is the second tallest in a work setting. Also, are you REALLY the 2nd to 3rd shortest in a bar? You're basically 6 foot in shoes man, I don't see how that's possible. Are you always on the shorter side? How often are you the shortest in bars/clubs? one of my friends is your height and is usually about average, sometimes above average, depending on the scenario, but nevertheless gets TONS of girls"
I work in Immigration, in Auckland, NZ. Government work. Not high paying or high prestige. I think there's a point there re: more successful people being taller. I have been called tall a few times (mostly because I can e.g. reach things that other people can't). I was also tall in my previous crappy retail job.
I went to this same bar last night, I'll describe a typical scenario- there are 5 other guys ordering, one is about 6'3", a couple others 6'-6'1", but the other two were like 5'7" and 5'9". I guess you could say I'm somewhere around the average, but I feel as though those shorter guys just fade in to insignificance. I guess that's how a lot of "average" guys feel- having 50% of the guys around you taller than you just doesn't feel so awesome. Big T says on 17/Mar/10
I would just like to point out to Vibram that David Tua is no 210lbs- at peak physical condition he was 220lbs and has been more 240-250lbs for the last decade :-) matt says on 17/Mar/10
being a 16 year old 5'11" male...at my school I'm taller than about 65 % of the people I run into....most of my friends who claim the height of 5'11" are about 5'8"...some claim up to 6'3"...people are delusional Bohm says on 17/Mar/10
Hey bo, youve been 5'8-5'9 since 14. Since when are 14 year olds with crazy growth potential short legged? Jonathan says on 17/Mar/10
I would be VERY, VERY, VERY, interested to see Vibram and Bo in a picture measuring their height. I'm not sure if they are trolls or not because they both keep going on about this "5'9 boyish body thing". I really would like to see what they are talking about. Please guys, if you could, post a pic of yourselves and we'll be the judge once and for all about your appearance, lol. I kind of think you two may be less then 5'9" based on your extreme stigma on being short. You all act like you're 5'4". I'm a weak 5'10 (morning height) guy, 5'9.5" during the day myself and I feel nothing but average. I'll post a picture of myself but I'd like for you two (Vibram & Bo) to also post some pics.
P.S. Prozac is from the DEVIL (that's for you Bo) AKK says on 16/Mar/10
Kristen: Part of it has to do with leverage. Longer limbs=less effort=more apparent strength. However, in short range, longer limbs are a disadvantage.
Bo says on 15/Mar/10
How are u 5'9" guys getting guessed at being 5'11"? Do you have really long legs compared to your torso or something?
I don't know about them, but I'm 5'8"+ and get guessed around 5'10" a fair amount. I guess in shoes I'm 5'9", and if I wear all dark, or at least, fairly monochrome colours, I look "bigger". Doesn't hurt that I've also got fairly broad shoulders, without the wide waist. Some fashion tips for guys who feel small: Click Here James says on 16/Mar/10
On the subject of 5'9 being 'short', well I think a plane 5'9 or a weak 5'9 like 174-175cm for an 18 year old male is bordering on the short side for sure.
J.J do you agree with me that for a son to outgrow both thier mother and thier farther both parents need to be of smiliar size? For example a 6'2 man marrying a 6'0 women would most likely produce a son that would outgrow them both. Whereas if a 6'6 man married a 5'7 women thier son may only reach 6'2 or 6'3 at the most. As I have also stated before the reason why you see really tall farthers with sons who are only tallish is because of the trend of tall men marrying short women and generally a short mothers height correlates with her sons meaning the women would most likely a shorter son and hence not growing as tall as his farther because of the stereotype of the men being tall and women being small. If a tall man and a short women had a daughter on the other hand she would most likely grow taller than her mum and may even grow as tall as her brother. Much like if a short man marries a tall women their son would grow taller than the farther and the daughter would not grow as tall as the mum because of the whole correlation and vice versa. Its not a rule of course genetically speaking but this is what is most likely to bhe case. LOL do you kinda get the picture. Klem says on 16/Mar/10
J.J. says on 16/Mar/10
Klem what country are you from?
I am from slovenia, and 180cm is average for 19 year olds, they measure you every year of high shcool and 180 cm was statistically average for the last year of highschool for this country.
But now at university i would estimate the average to be around 181-182cm(my height), suggesting that taller people are more likely to go to university around here. Klem says on 16/Mar/10
Anonymous says on 16/Mar/10
@ Klem: 176-184 cm average-expected it's a joke? If you take a 176 man put next 184 cm guy then the 176 cm looks like a little man
Everything between 176 and 184 is normal for a male here, thats what I mean with expected. Of course there is a diference between 176 and 184 but both heights are common and nothing special here. Kristen says on 16/Mar/10
@tron: I understand your confusion. I was referring to the Dutch height charts, not the article on nutrition. That's why my reply made no sense to you.
I wondered what the Dutch stats would show if measured people were categorized by age. I also noticed that the most educated Dutch women were two inches taller than the least educated women. I think that correlation can be seen here too.
I hope my post makes sense now. Right says on 16/Mar/10
@ Spur 1.85 m
You are exactly right about all but two things:
1) The Midget and Extreme(Unattractive) labels should have been reversed and 2) Women are 5 to 5.5 inches shorter than men, not 6. :) GF says on 16/Mar/10
Most women prefer a man who is precisely 6 ft to 6'1" which is why a lot men under 6 ft magically add an inch to their height and some men who are over 6'1" try undermining their height. Has anyone else noticed this?
Since the avg female is 5'4.5" and the avg male is about 5'10" most people should be comfortable with being with who is the opposite gender equivalent of their own height. I am 5'10" morning height and prefer a female who is about 5'4.5" morning height. I like the idea of the perfect equivalent because everything matches perfectly height-wise. Women's legs make up more of their total height than men do, who generally have larger torsos. Just look at classic cartoons. Yes they are exaggerated giving women long legs, breasts and a head and giving men short legs, a huge chest and a head, but they are still based on fact. The opposite gender equivalent is like a reflection of yourself or a showing of what you would have been born the opposite gender. Timbo says on 16/Mar/10
Anonymous says-"I consider myself short....I know it is technically average...there are a lot of people I am taller than, and even some taller guys that I look ok next to..I am happy that even though I am short, people can consider me average and I dont stand out in a crowd, but really it is a bad height..Girls may be ok with my height"
This exemplifies everything wrong with the attitudes of so many people here. Like that guy Wow said, it's all about insecurity. The guy above in one paragraph says he is short, then adds me isn't according to others, and that he doesn't stand out in a crowd and that people think he is average...so what's the problem? JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE AVERAGE DOESNT MAKE YOU SHORT. People on this site are CRIPPLED by issues that only exist in their heads.
I guess I come at this from a different angle...I was under 5'7" until my late 20's, when somehow I shot up to 5'8.5" (thank God..literally). I did ok at under 5'7", but I was very grateful to shoot up to close to 5'9"...I can tell you I don't feel short many places, do exceptionally well with women (hot women mind you), and am rarely, if ever, called short. In fact, 90% of people insist I am 5'10" or 5'11"...want to know why?? Because they are so used to people my height claiming to be 5'11", that they think I am really that height. As Wow said below, below only call 5'9" bad because the people claiming it are far smaller..if you are 5'8" to 5'10", people will THINK you are anywhere from 5'10-6 foot, at least in many cases..they just don't know what a real 5'9" looks like because everyone has lied to them about it for so long.
The biggest reason why I do ok is that I accept I am AVERAGE, or at least in the average range somewhere, and that is ok. I'm not wreck by insecurities...so I do fine. Do some women wish me to be 6'2"? Maybe, but if they do they don't show it..just like I prefer a C cup on girls but am still plenty attracted to some hot girls with B cups. It's just a preference on paper. And frankly, I don't think even 5'7" guys have too much to worry about..they are plenty of guys that height everywhere. GF says on 16/Mar/10
Here's a question:
Which height do you claim?
A) Morning Height
B) Mid-day Height
C) Evening Height
Some say take all measurement including height in the morning, other say mid-day is more accurate because is is the average of your height, others say evening because you at any given time you are certain to retain that height.
So which is it???? Josh says on 16/Mar/10
Some people claim 5'11" below is short. It is because they categorize height as short and tall. There is no "medium" segment for them. It is a bit like taking life as black or white. There has to be a medium range. I think medium range is 5.9.5"- 5'11.5" Anything out of that is either short or tall. DDob says on 16/Mar/10
@ Timbo, I agree with your post 100%. Average height isn't increasing as fast as people make it seem to be. I read in Men's Health that the average height in George Washington's time for the UK/US was 5'8". Only a two inch difference compared to today and that was hundreds of years ago! Anonymous says on 16/Mar/10
Bo, glad to see you a little more positive with your height. Also try swimming, you might be able to "gain" some height by improving your posture, especially if itŽs really bad to begin with. Anonymous says on 16/Mar/10
Anonymous, 8 cm difference isnŽt really that big. A 176 cm guy wouldnŽt look particularly short next to a 184 cm guy. Spur 1.85 m says on 16/Mar/10
@J.J. says on 15/Mar/10
This is the perfect Height chart ever on this page. I agree 100% although the difference between men is more a precise 14.5cm so at my height of 187.4cm I am the same as a 172.9cm female; which is 5'8". Also I believe from 0-1.5" difference you never looker any different from the other person. But when is gets to a 2" difference you fell the difference. If I met someone who was 192.4cm I'll definately feel shorter. But If I meet someone who is 191.4cm I wouldn't feel short at all. So for me it takes a someone around 6'4" to make me start feeling shorter. So I guess you also start to realise someone taller than you at 190cm.
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Thanks man, lotta thought gone into it. It's definitely what I see in the UK anyway, no BS. The chart used to be 2 cm less earlier, but I recently started wearing contact lenses, and realised everything is smaller through glasses. Women used to be at 5 inches less, had to upgrade that to 6, not really good at estimating heights that lie far from me. My ideal woman would stand at 5'7", so when she puts on those 6 inch heels I don't look like an idiot ;) . Can't really tell with half cm's, half inches I can, but would definitely go with your 14.5 cm, just try'na keep it simple for the purposes of the chart. Totally agree with your difference thing, 5 cm = Noticeable, 10 cm - Considerable, 15 cm - A lot. If I stand straight I can meet eye-level with a 6'2" guy, but not 6'3". Dunno, last time I measured accurately I was 6'1", that was 4 years ago at 18, was measured by my bro recently, he loosely said, "6'1 1/2"", so I'm sticking to what I know for sure and that's 1.85 m (most people exaggerate). But yea, I would consider a 6'3" guy big, under that too depending on build. BTW, when I say 'Extreme (unattractive)', I don't mean to be derogatory but I have travelled most of the world and that's how people feel in general, I know some people like that kinda thing (tall/short). Me personally, I wouldn't go out with a girl under 5'1", or above 6'1", just don't need the attention. Tom says on 16/Mar/10
@ Gabriel u maybe already finished growing. So maybe 177 cm is your adult height forever and in future you will about 173-175 Anonymous says on 16/Mar/10
@Bo '5'9" really isn't that short' ?? Yes in Asia maybe not but in Europe it's in these days short, maybe really short for a man. 6 start to be fine...6 1-6 2 is probably best here... Anonymous says on 16/Mar/10
@ Klem: 176-184 cm average-expected it's a joke? If you take a 176 man put next 184 cm guy then the 176 cm looks like a little man. c-mo says on 16/Mar/10
@Anonymus i exactly know what you mean i am around your height and i feel like you but maybe we are just to pessimistic ? Anonymous says on 16/Mar/10
Klem, I completely agree with your height chart. Very well put. Anonymous says on 16/Mar/10
I'm 5'9.5 and I consider myself short. I hate this height. I know it is technically average,just (though average means nothing), say half of guys are taller than me and half are shorter. Well that means it is still likely that in a picture with 8 guys that 4 of them will dwarf me.
And there are a lot of people I am taller than, and even some taller guys that I look ok next to, but I never look tall and often look small. I think 59-5'11 is average, 5'9 being short/average, 5'11 being tall/average, but 6 ft is the height to be considered tall. I am happy that even though I am short, people can consider me average and I dont stand out in a crowd, but really it is a bad height. Girls may be ok with my height, but no girl ever says "my ideal man is 5'9.5" if you get my drift. J.J. says on 16/Mar/10
Klem what country are you from?
A 5'7" woman is rather closer to the equivalent of a 6'0.6" man precisely. So is a woman is 5'7.25" that will put you just about 6'1".
The difference between men and woman vary. It's from 13cm-15cm. The short the height the smaller the difference apart and vice versa. So a 6'6" man is exactly the same as a 6'0" woman but a 5'9" woman is equivalent to a man closer to 6'3" like precisely 6'2.83" so just about 6'3". From a 5'10" woman & over the difference is 15cm. But nothing is fixed these are just statistical, but I've met many siblings with these differences. It often happens when the Man is 5.5" to 6" taller than the woman then this reflects amongst their children.
For example a 6'6" man & a 6'0" woman are more likely to have sons that will also tower over their daugthers. But if the parents are the same height the sons are more likely not to tower over their sisters. Klem says on 16/Mar/10
On a very rough estimate I could say for my country 20-50 y.o:
169cm and under very short
170-175 cm short
176-184 cm average-expected
185-190 cm tall
191cm + very tall
198+ giant
in the lower average range(under 180) you can be in some situations the shortest male in a group, in the upper sometimes among tallest.
Under 180cm you would probaby not be very satisfied, because as mentioned it is a kind of borderline height, and also a common male height when describing a man, above that you are not short, because even in a group of very tall men nobody will call a 180cm+ guy short. 177cmmm says on 16/Mar/10
WOW is 100% correct with everything he says. I like coming on here sometimes because when i read the posts of short sad people it makes me feel good about myself but i would never tease someone for being short even on this site. I do hate when people who are 5.9 or so (not naming anyone) complain so often that their lives suck because they are average height. Im also interested in people perceptions on height because when i was only 177cms tall everything seems different now being 190. I want to know how people see things.
BTW J.J thats a great list. Ted says on 16/Mar/10
Jayb
yes when you train you can increase shoulder width as trhe shoulders are floating bones. Posture and muscle especially side delts can broaden you a lot.
Also it means that it pulls your shirt sleeves up so the shirts will look shorter on your arms, also with jackets. Bo says on 16/Mar/10
5'9" really isn't that short.... today I walked around with straight posture in regular shoes, so I'm about 5'10" in shoes and I noticed how much shorter I looked all the time cause I slouch a lot. Good posture makes a big difference tron says on 15/Mar/10
@Kristen I don't know exactly what you're saying. I just showed a site with some statistics. And also, according to the OECD, the average dutch male height is 1.81cm, female is 1.68cm, and the growth is slowing down. While other countries like South Korea and Portugal the growth is still increasing at a constant rate. According to one of these site i've showed, and i quote, "There is little strong evidence that these country height differences are due to average country differences in genetic endowments." I am not expressing my opinion, these are the statistics. Timbo says on 15/Mar/10
"Why do people assume average height go up by one inch every decade?"
Because they have no clue what they are talking about. Every single possible medical study out there says 5'9.5"-5'10"/5'10.3". They said that in the late 1970s, and all through the 1980s, they said that in the 90s, they said that in 2000, and they say that now. There is not the slightest reason to think height has increased more than a half inch since the late 70's.
Do you know why people say it's increasing? Because of two things: people are lying (i.e. 5'10" guys being magically 5'11" or 6 foot), and the younger guys look at older guys, people that have lost an inch by 55 or 65, and say "I'm taller than them! Average height is going up!" They just forget that the 55 or 60 year old guys were the same height as them 30 or 40 years back.
Seriously folks, it takes MANY generations to see height increases. Romans were 5'5" or 5'6" 2000 years ago, and people are 5'9" to 5'10" on average here today. Cavemen (i.e. 30,000 years ago) were 5'2 or 5'3". You do the math for the height increase. An inch a decade? Get serious. Kristen says on 15/Mar/10
@AKK: I don't understand what you meant. If man A is stronger than woman B, he would be stronger in all situations, from lifting weights to moving furniture to carrying groceries. Anonymous says on 15/Mar/10
@ Sue Donym: My IQ is 125 but it's in europe, I know that in US is same IQ bigger. For example somewhere I read Bush Jr. is just 95 that's mean in europe his IQ is about monkey :-) I just said that my girlfriend does not like short guy that's it. I am so sorry for her and for me too that I told u about that... Anonymous says on 15/Mar/10
why 14,5 cm? do you have a study for this J.J? Bo says on 15/Mar/10
Anyone know how often sons are shorter than their fathers? Obviously if a 6'8" guy has a son with a 4'9" mother the sons are likely to be shorter. But I mean people within average range? Am I the only one that is shorter than their father? I know a few others but their brothers are all shorter, while my brother is 6'4", 3 inches taller than my father, and my sister is 5'7" which is the equivalent to a 6'1" man, while I am 5'9" with horribly childish proportions. I have a thick upper torso but that's it, my legs are so stunted and short I look like a child still, like really bad. I freak myself out when I walk around barefoot.
"Anyone want some Prozac? Try it today during puberty and stay in a childs body for life, with the same short baby limbs! There's no need to grow up, it's great!"
that should be Prozacs advertisment... Lozzer says on 15/Mar/10
Did anyone here grow AT ALL from sort of 16-21 after you thought you stopped growing/started shaving etc? Josh says on 15/Mar/10
MC says on 14/Mar/10
Josh, are you actually 5'9"? If so, if you're a true 5'9", how on EARTH do you think you are "well below" the average? Every single study that has ever been done, EVERY single one, has show an average height for young white males to be between 5'9.5"-5'10.1". How could you possibly be well below that? Most people can't even tell an inch difference. You are firmly average, you just THINK you aren't.
MC you got me wrong. I said "I am not irrational to think I'm well below average" which means I am not an irrational person who thinks 5'9" is well below average. Yet, the problem is that people think average height is short. MC says on 15/Mar/10
Another comment regarding average height (and this is geared to the 5'8"/5'9" guys that keep caling themselves short..you know who you are, because your posts are all over this page): think of average height regarding women. Let's say the average girl is 5' 5.5". That should be pretty accurate. Add or subtract 2 inches to that height. Would you call a 5' 7.5" girl "really tall?" Nope Just on the tall side. Would you call a 5' 3.5" girl short? Of course not. She's on the shorter side of average, but, since she's pushing 5'4", she's still in the average range.
You WOULD call a girl around 5'9" truly tall, or a girl around 5'2" truly short. However, note that this is a 3" to 3.5" difference..not less than 2 inches. The sad thing is that you guys seem to feel reality doesn't apply to guys..apparently a 1 inch difference dramatically seperates the short from thoe average. It's sad.
See Wows post further down the page. I 100% agree with everything he said, and after reading his post, I'm outta here for good, too. Take care guys. Ace says on 15/Mar/10
P.S. Rob,
I wasn't kidding about my last comment to Josh. Don't censor it. Ace says on 15/Mar/10
Josh, it's clear from your previous comment about yachts and penises that you have bigger issues than being "only" 5'9. Get some therapy. Gabriel says on 15/Mar/10
Im a 17 and im 177 cm
my mum is 169 and my dad is about 182
how much i can grow?
my oldest borther is 23 and is about 179
and my oldest sister is 170 tron says on 15/Mar/10
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@ Spur 1.85 m says on 14/Mar/10
Men:
2.05m and above (6'9"+) - Extreme (Unattractive)
2.00-2.04m (6'7"-6'8") - Giant
1.95-1.99m (6'5"-6'6") - Huge
1.90-1.94m (6'3"-6'4") - Very tall/Big
1.85-1.89m (6'1"-6'2") - Tall
1.80-1.84m (5'11"-6'0") - Quite/Relatively tall
1.75-1.79m (5'9"-5'10") - Average
1.70-1.74m (5'7"-5'8") - Quite/Relatively short
1.65-1.69m (5'5"-5'6") - Short
1.60-1.64m (5'3"-5'4") - Very short/Small
1.55-1.59m (5'1"-5'2") - Tiny
1.50-1.54m (4'11"-5'0") - Midget
1.49m and below (4'10"-) - Extreme (Unattractive)
Women:
Subtract 6 inches (0.15m)
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This is the perfect Height chart ever on this page. I agree 100% although the difference between men is more a precise 14.5cm so at my height of 187.4cm I am the same as a 172.9cm female; which is 5'8". Also I believe from 0-1.5" difference you never looker any different from the other person. But when is gets to a 2" difference you fell the difference. If I met someone who was 192.4cm I'll definately feel shorter. But If I meet someone who is 191.4cm I wouldn't feel short at all. So for me it takes a someone around 6'4" to make me start feeling shorter. So I guess you also start to realise someone taller than you at 190cm. Jacob says on 15/Mar/10
@Ben
Actually I am 6'2" myself but I have a lot of shorter friends and it's quite inconsiderate and shallow what you said. Birol says on 15/Mar/10
i am 190cm and one of my friend's friend told him that Birol can not be 190cm... he said that i am 182cm and Birol is just 2-3 centimeters tall over me which makes me 184-185cm but it is impossible... Are there any friends here who had witnessed such a same thing as me? I was very nervous and upset when I heard this view from my friend! I thought that I am not seen as 190cm, am I seen as same as 184-185cm guy? Please answer for this event... i am now very sad! I am measuring myself correctly with my stadiometer and with my another measurement equipment with silk meter to put over my head wood. Another thing is when i was compared with my another cousin my uncle,who is my 192cm cousin's father, my uncle said that you are 2-3 centimeters short than my son, he said... when i first saw my cousin in summer holiday i thought that he can not be 192cm, he is same as me... but he is taller than me...
the most important question of mine is are there any same event like this? And people can guess someone's height wrong like 5-6 centimeters less?
Thanks... aaanonymous says on 15/Mar/10
Dutchy: Yeah don't worry I think you'll make 2m :) Even then, you're pretty damn tall. (Je hele familie is belachelijk lang, zelfs de vrouwen xD) Gorry says on 15/Mar/10
This guy Wow has got the point!
All you folks better take a close look at his post and stop making fun of yourself. Aleks says on 15/Mar/10
Zac Efron is 5' 7". Aleks says on 15/Mar/10
Why do people assume average height go up by one inch every decade? tommy says on 15/Mar/10
OldBoy says on 14/Mar/10
I completely agree with you Smitty.
Bo: for me 180cm is the start of tall, but that is the opinion of a portuguese guy. Anyway I believe 180cm is not short anywhere in the world (not even average).
completely agree with you 180cm and up is on the tall side
girls when they want to date a tall guy usually ask for 180cm and over
my brother is 181cm and look tall on every photos he is , and knows he is above average height
5ft11 is a borderline height because you are judged about this height because at 5ft11+ you can be called tall of course you will get less tall comments at 180cm than at 195cm because 180cm is common especially for a young guy but how many times i heard " oh he is a tall guy at least 180cm
if you are under 180cm you are viewed as either average or short
Under 170cm is short nobody will call you average
but heights between 173cm-178cm have two mixed opinions , you are short or average because some people " not everyone" make only 2 categories " tall and short"
for men under 35 : 6ft-6ft1 start of tall ( 5ft11 average tall)
for men over 35 : 5ft11-6ft start of tall James says on 15/Mar/10
Guys you may or may not agree with me here but I think another problem shorter or even average height people can encounter is when they try and bulk up at the gym it can look silly on them and make them look shorter and stockier which is not attractive. Tall people do find it harder to gain muscle at the gym on average than shorter people but when tall people do gain muscle it suits them and they look good with loads of bulk. What I am trying to say is that tall people can pull off going mega bulky and shorter people cannot really pull it off without looking out of proportion. jon says on 15/Mar/10
can i asked some guys a question?
How tall are you when you've stopped growing, and how much did you grow within the last year of heightgrowth? And also, if you remember, how tall were you when you first started puberty? (uhh.. lets say first started getting pubic hair).
thanks Bo says on 15/Mar/10
How are u 5'9" guys getting guessed at being 5'11"? Do you have really long legs compared to your torso or something? JayB says on 15/Mar/10
I got a question. When guys start to fill out, do their shoulders get wider/broader? 6footer says on 14/Mar/10
Vibram, according to you majority of women would take some ugly 6 2 fellow over the 5 8 Zac Efron. Come on now....... Josh says on 14/Mar/10
Smitty says on 13/Mar/10
...but I know this guy that's around 5'10" that hangs out with my friends that girls check out WAY more than me cause 1. he's very good looking 2. he's really fit with really broad shoulders and arms 3. he has a great overall vibe about him.
Smitty not all the 5'10" or below guys have those features. Does he also have a porsche, yacht and a 9" penis;-)) Guys with all those features you have counted by nature, get the hot girls even at a medium height yet, not all of us have those bodily characteristics and 6'+ guys don't need to have great bodies. Being tall unlocks the doors easily. Kristen says on 14/Mar/10
@Maddy: Yes, I think that girls with narrow shoulders can look shorter than girls with broad shoulders, even if they're the same height.
@tron: The Dutch stats might be different if they were divided into age groups. BTW, I noticed that the most educated women's average was two whole inches taller than the least educated women's average. I see that sort of height division where I live too. It's more pronounced here, though.
My previous two replies weren't posted, so I hope the third time is the charm. MC says on 14/Mar/10
Josh says "I'm 27 and 5'9" tall. I'm not irrational to think I'm well below average..."
Josh, are you actually 5'9"? If so, if you're a true 5'9", how on EARTH do you think you are "well below" the average? Every single study that has ever been done, EVERY single one, has show an average height for young white males to be between 5'9.5"-5'10.1". How could you possibly be well below that? Most people can't even tell an inch difference. You are firmly average, you just THINK you aren't.
My guess is that you're help up about not being the EXACT median. Meaning if you were exactly 5'9.6", like many of the studies cite as average, than you wouldn't think you were short. Remember that there is a range of average...it probably goes from 5'8"-6'. Nobody looks at a 6 foot guy and says "wow, he's pretty tall." It look like a tall average. Anybody that is honest, and not just bashing people to make themselves feel better, should be able to say the same thing in the other direction..I have plenty of 5'8" friends, and they aren't short..just getting closer to it. They're a low average. My point is that YOU are right smack in the middle of the average range. You shouldn't feel bad.
With no offense, I have a friend just like you. We're both about the same height, somewhere around 5'9.5". This guy is crippled by thinking he is short. He talks about it all the time, and every guy in my group of friends (who range from 5'7"-6'2") just shake their heads when he does. It's sad..again, with no offense meant, it's the same feeling we get when seeing somebody that has a disorder. Why? BECAUSE HE ISNT SHORT. Only he thinks so, and it's painful to see how crippled he is by it. When we go to the clubs, all he sees is the tall guys and is certain there isn't another guy his height there...all I see is that MOST guys there are my height and his, or at least are within an inch or two in either direction. Again, there is a very predictable RANGE of average.
I say all this because you shouldn't feel bad about yourself. Please realize it is hurting you when there is NO reason for it to. As for women, seeing as you have referenced them several times, let me add something..my buddy, mentioned above, is a good looking guy, as am I. We have similar builds, dress the same, and go to the same places around town. Want to know what happens? He NEVER picks up a girl, like ever. They look, but he can't see it. I pick up girls every week, and very, very hot ones, too. Many of them have been as close to 10s as can be wished for. Why does this happen? Because he is wrecked by what is, honestly, a mental disorder of insecurity..for no reason. That's why it is sad. I, on the other hand, am very confident, and I don't think I'm short..I never get called it, and women sure as heck don't seem to care.
My point, please be confident and live your life. You're hurting yourself by thinking this way, man. I guy I wonder if it's smart for you to be on this site daily..I think as much as you seem to be obsessed with height, it might be smart for you to think of something else. Just my opinion, and I wish you the absolute best. Mister P says on 14/Mar/10
Lmao some of you are hilarious... 5ft9 is short?! hahahaha I can't believe you're actually serious about that claim. And as for those who say that the shorter a man is the smaller his penis is, you're simply wrong. Look at the Scandinavians. They're seen as "tall and blond" but their dicks are absolutely tiny and that's a fact. No offense to any Scandinavians out here. James says on 14/Mar/10
I think 5'9-5'9.5 was an average and normal height for an 18 year old in 2000. I think in 2010 a plain 5'9 (175cm) is 1 inch below the norm for an 18 year old. If your a strong 176cm or 177cm you can blend in ok with other 18 year olds although you will never be called tall except by short girls. At 180cm you will not really be considered tall but you may get the odd tall comment from a 5'8 or 5'9 guy. EVEN at 185cm you will be considered kinda tall but not really that tall. At 188cm (6'2) that is when you will get quite a few tall comments but if you start to brag and get big headed about your height you will get called out on it but most people will consider you tall and maybe a few people might not think your that impressivley tall. Heck in the past some clowns who attended my gollege even thought 6'4 is nothing special but they were all over 6'0 themselves so I guess they were in the position to say such a thing. A 5'11 guy (180cm) will consider 6'4 very tall and 6'1 sought of tall. Ace says on 14/Mar/10
tommy says on 13/Mar/10
i think when men are 5ft8 or over they are not short
i have 2 friends one at 5ft8-5ft8.5 and one 5ft7 they both look much different
the 5ft7 one look short the other one doesn't he looks normal with others guys
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I COMPLETELY agree, Tommy. If you think of celebrities who are 5'8 (can't think of too many, though Chris Farley and Dana Carvey come to mind) they don't look short. I've been thinkin a lot about height lately cuz I seem to be growin again first time in a while, and i think there's a reason for this 5'8 phenomenon:
If average male is 5'10 and average female 5'5, and the average of those two heights is 5'7.5, then being under or over 5'7.5 is what determines whether you are closer to typical male height or typical female height. Another words, 5'7.6+ looks masculine, and therefore attractive, while anything shorter (at ALL i suppose) looks feminine and inadequate. I'm not dissing anyone who's 5'7 and under, I'm just tryin to look at it objectively. anonymous94 says on 14/Mar/10
i always think it's cute when in a couple the guy and the girl are both the same height. Dunno why, I guess it might be because it's looks kinda innocent since male and female children are all the same height. Dutchy. says on 14/Mar/10
Me (16) - 195cm, 78kg (6ft5, 178 pound)
father (50) - 192cm (6ft3.5) peak 193.5cm (6ft4)
mother (53) - 185cm (6ft1) peak 186cm (6ft1.25)
brother (20) - 201cm (6ft7)
paternal grandfather (rip) - 181cm (5ft11) peak 185cm (6ft1)
paternal grandmother (78) - 163cm (5ft4) peak 166cm (5ft6)
aunt (52) - 170 cm (5ft7) peak 173 cm (5ft8)
uncle (47) - 196 cm (6ft5)
maternal grandfather (rip) - 185 cm (6ft1) peak 192 cm (6ft4)
maternal grandmother (rip) - 175 cm (5ft9) peak 179 cm (5ft10.5)
uncle (48) - 203 cm (6ft8)
uncle (57) - 198 cm (6ft6) peak 201 cm (6ft7)
cousin (26) - 205 cm (6ft8.5) (boy)
cousin (22) - 180 cm (5ft11) (girl)
cousin (18) - 185 cm (6ft1) (girl)
cousin (16) - 183 cm (6ft) (girl)
cousin (14) - 185 cm (6ft1) (boy)
Will I be as tall as my brother or oldest cousin?
My dad was 185 cm @ age 16 and my brother was 193 cm @ age 16! Sue Donym says on 14/Mar/10
Ben says on 13/Mar/10
I stopped to grow at about the age og 16. I was already 6'1" and people told u are 18 years old?...I think guys under 6' are small...6'1-2-3" is very good.Now I have a girlfriend and she is 5'10" and she doesn't like shorter man like 5'8"-5'9" that's why my friend didn't got her!
I love it when tall guys come on here boasting about their height and insulting shorter guys, because their height is the one thing they have going for them. What's your IQ, Ben? Spur 1.85 m says on 14/Mar/10
Men:
2.05m and above (6'9"+) - Extreme (Unattractive)
2.00-2.04m (6'7"-6'8") - Giant
1.95-1.99m (6'5"-6'6") - Huge
1.90-1.94m (6'3"-6'4") - Very tall/Big
1.85-1.89m (6'1"-6'2") - Tall
1.80-1.84m (5'11"-6'0") - Quite/Relatively tall
1.75-1.79m (5'9"-5'10") - Average
1.70-1.74m (5'7"-5'8") - Quite/Relatively short
1.65-1.69m (5'5"-5'6") - Short
1.60-1.64m (5'3"-5'4") - Very short/Small
1.55-1.59m (5'1"-5'2") - Tiny
1.50-1.54m (4'11"-5'0") - Midget
1.49m and below (4'10"-) - Extreme (Unattractive)
Women:
Subtract 6 inches (0.15m) OldBoy says on 14/Mar/10
I completely agree with you Smitty.
Bo: for me 180cm is the start of tall, but that is the opinion of a portuguese guy. Anyway I believe 180cm is not short anywhere in the world (not even average). Ted says on 14/Mar/10
Yeah Im 184 evening 220lb solid build 18" arms. in UK a guy called me a massive geezer. Was 265 fat.
But a guy 5'9 but big build can be massive.
I've seen quite a few 5'9 16, 17, 18 stone plus. Big guys. Shortish or not you wouldn't want to tangle with big guys like that unles you had to. Ben says on 14/Mar/10
@ Jacob: My girlfriend said that... i don't care about small guys. I'm 6'1" and I'm fine that's it. U are 5'8" I think :-P infin says on 14/Mar/10
dunno why every1 thinks 6-3 is the best height (or one of the best). being a stong 6-3er myself, i feel myself too tall. i'd be happy to shrink to 6-2 or 6-1 tomorrow :) theres a problem with girls when i feel myself too tall and big next to tiny 5-2 girls (aswell as next to 5-10 ladies). there was a time in my life when i HATED being 6-3, i was really depressed. right now i've calmed down but i still a bit unhappy with my height. 6-1 is surely the best height and the height i wish i was.
just thoughts, nothing else:) Brian says on 14/Mar/10
Vibram says on 11/Mar/10
Another problem the man below 5ft10 faces in the dating world is that (now matter how in good shape the man under 5ft10 is in), for some reason, your considered more in the same league as FAT women than slim/ fit looking women. That's your level... FAT, that's as good as you can get because you ain't tall. Obese females are damaging men below 5ft10 more than themselves. Now 5 out of 10 UK women are overweight. So those 5 that aren't obese become more 'picky' about men because more men chase than they would if say only 1 / 10 women were obese.
So, Taylor Lautner, Zac Effron, Johnny Depp, and each of the Jonas Brothers don't have any slim girls chasing after them because they are under 5'10". Yeah, all those girls are only looking for tall guys that look like Andre the Giant.
And I like how you managed to insult every overweight girl out there by saying that they have noone chasing after them, are the lowest "league" in the dating world because of they're weight, and are damaging under 5'10" guys just by being with them. It's not enough to be an a**hole to everyone who ended up taller than you because they supposively have everything easier, but you also need to be an a**hole to every women with weight problems because you can't attract that slim girl you've been crushing on. And keep in mind that this is coming from a guy who criticizes society for being shallow and too preoccupied with appearance. What a hypocrite. Star5 says on 14/Mar/10
Vibram I have your solution. If you are into asian chicks, move to Vietnam. The average height there is 160cm (5'2) for girls and 163cm (5'4) for guys. You will be the equivalent of a 6'1 person in American as well as being white, people will automatically treat you like a god. There is this one nightclub called Apocalypse Now that discriminates against its own race and lets white guys in for free. Wow.. says on 13/Mar/10
Folks. I stumbled onto here tonight wanting to check out a particularly tall actor's height, and I ended up finding this general discussion section. I understand that the mods of this site will likely delete this, but I can say without hesitation that I've never seen anything comparable in 30 years on this planet..never could I have imagined that such a collection of insecure people could find one home.
Let me say a few things here regarding height, and especially the discussion of height on this site. 1) Every single person that chooses to be part of these ongoing height discussions does so because of insecurity. The tall people are here because it makes them feel good to call others short (height is probably all these people have). The average height guys that are here have not, for some reason, been able to accept that it is okay to be average, and so they bash guys their height as being "short," and really light into the guys shorter than them. The truly short guys are here to make themselves feel better, and, again, likely bash those shorter than them as "really short." What this means is that there is not one word of discussion here about what is tall, average, or short that can be honestly trusted. Everybody is biased for their own reasons. Again, NOBODY would ever spend time on a site like this if they didn't have either and arrogance or an insecurity about their height. EVER. Normal, secure people wouldn't have an interest.
2)90% of people lie about their height, and it means that your idea of what is short or tall is totally altered. 5'5" guys claim 5'7" regularly, so people think 5'7" is very short. 5'7" guys claim 5'9", so people think 5'9" is getting pretty short, but not awful. 5'10" guys claim 6 foot, so people think 6 foot is average. This kind of lying is the norm, period. Why do you folks think most people believe the average height is 5'11" or 6 foot for a younger guy?It is because nearly ALL 5'10" guys say they are 5'11" or 6 foot. This despite every single study I've ever heard of (and I've seen some as a law enforcement officer that is well acquainted with the heights of most populations)shows the average height to be 5'9"-5'10". At around 5'10" myself, I see people my height say they are 6 foot like clockwork..I know they are lying since I'm looking them in the eye. I meet a ton of people doing what I do, and the number of them that lie on their driver's license is INCREDIBLE. Honestly, I'd call it 80%-90% of guys under about 6'2"..past 6'2" they seem willing to tell the truth.
2) What this also means is that the heights being called "short" here, such as 5'8" or 5'9", or to some extent even 5'7", are being called short because the guys claiming 5'8" are NOWHERE near there. They are 5'6", sometimes 5'7" guys, calling themselves 5'8" or 5'9". This gives people the idea that these heights are short; it seems many (and certainly most of you here), do not realize this. If you want a real picture of what a 5'8" looks like, think of a guy you know that says he is 5'10". That's a 5'8" or 5'9" guy. Want a picture of a 5'10" guy? Think of a guy you know that says he is 5'11" or 6 foot. Seriously folks, you need to wade through the bullcrap people tell you.
The beauty of law enforcement work is you are trained to ACCURATELY judge height..kind of a key way to describe a suspect. I can tell you with confidence, if any of you care, what the average height range is here in the mid-west. The area I'm in is mostly white, and quite well to do. I'm going to mainly refer to men 20-50 here.
Below 5'7"-getting truly in the short range
5'7"-5'10"-the low end of average to the median. Very noraml and common.
5'10"-6'1"-the exact median to the high end of average.
6'2" and up-tall and less common.
That's is it period. You folks can think what you will, but that's the reality of things, based on the hundreds of people I encounter weekly.
I will never be here again to read responses, but I hope this makes a few of you feel better. Please understand that internalizning some of the comments on this page (this guy Bo comes to mind) is nothing but harmful to many of you, and it isn't reality. In fact, many of the comments here just aren't..seriously boys and girls, the things being said here are fueled by insecurity.
Best of luck to all of you, and no disrespect meant..I just don't see why people want to spend time obsessing about things they can't change. Take care, folks. Chris says on 13/Mar/10
Ben, it all boils down to personal preference. Some women wouldn't be caught dead with a 5'8" guy, unless the only other option was, let's say, a 6'3" beefcake. 177cmmm says on 13/Mar/10
i posted under anonymous i wrote the hahahahah bit Vibram says on 13/Mar/10
len says on 12/Mar/10
good debate about average sized people. But heres one for debate whats the smallest a person can be to be considered big? I'm 6ft 1 and 190 pounds of muscle mainly. I get called a big guy due to my athletic frame. I think someone can be seen as a big man from 5ft 9 onwards depending on build, height is secondary.
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Good question. I think build is more important than height in a man only setting, at least to be seen as somebody not to be messed with, or if you want to be seen as genetic Alpha. People wouldn't mess with David Tua because he;s like 210lbs at 5ft9, moreover a 145lbs 5ft9 - 5ft10 would be seen as easy prey (omega / lower ranked male) unless he was a skilled martial artist or combat.
I think you need to be "old skool" (pre steroids) bodybuilder proportions if your below 5ft10 and want to be seen as a "big" guy. Frank Zane was 5ft9 and looked pretty big at 180lbs, although 5ft9 was average height for his day. If your below 6ft (183cm) but above 5ft7 (170cm) you need to weigh 1 pound per cm of height to look a big man, if not slightly more. So a 175cm (5ft9) guy needs to be looking at around 175lbs. Over 6ft but under 6ft3 you need to be 1.03 pounds per cm of height to start looking big. And those below 5ft6 should X their height in cm by 0.98 for a rough ideal. This is all with ideal body fat not go over 14% or under 5%. That's what I've read gives you the ideal "masculine" body type. Mickey says on 13/Mar/10
talking averages is pretty moot unless you indicate what sort of sub-population you're concerned with. it doesn't mean much to say the average adult male height in the US is 5'10, because nobody's social circle is entirely representative of the country at large. when I go out, it's to places full of college-educated white people. that's my social circle. that's my dating pool. that's the group of guys I need to compare myself to. I don't care about the height of some vietnamese immigrant in LA, because even though he contributes to the national average height, he and I don't run in the same sub-population. we're not competing for the same women. And the demographic that I belong to, college-educated white males, is undoubtedly taller than the national average. I'd say closer to 6' than 5'10. At 5'11, I feel very average, and even sometimes below average in my peer group.
And the women in this group, just like the women of every other group, tend to prefer the taller men of their social circle. I know many girls (admittedly, these tend to be high quality girls) who have the rule of 6: they only date men who have a 6-pack, make 6-figures, and are 6' tall.
obviously most women are not this picky (because most women CAN'T be this picky). But most girls I know don't date men shorter than 5'10. That height seems to be a sort of cutoff. Go on Match.com and search for women in your area and look at the height requirements of the more attractive girls on there. It tends to be 5'10. Rarely there will be a girl who requires 5'11 or even 6'. So if you are below that magic cutoff of 70 inches, work on your game, work on your abs, and make some money.
BTW: I think that despite what girls say about height requirements, it's all very fluid. Height is, all else equal, a positive for most girls - a 6'2 brad pitt is preferable to a 5'10 brad bitt - but it's WAY less important than other factors - PERSONALITY top among them. My good buddy is a weak 5'10, average looking, and a self-described "lousy lay" and his current girlfriend left her ex to be with my buddy. I've seen the ex - 6'2, fit, good looking, and from what I've heard well hung. Why? Cuz he's a dud and my buddy is cool, funny, and confident. AND she confessed that she had never dated a guy under 6' before. She was a devout follower of the rule of 6 until she met my friend. This happens all the time. I know this is a site for height nuts, but it helps once in a while to realize that the rest of the world isn't height-obsessed the way we are. Your height doesn't define who you are. And only in extreme cases does it limit your dating life. AKK says on 13/Mar/10
Kristen: By "Larger woman", I meant simply taller(and by extension, usually bigger). Again, in the context of extreme strength, a woman would have to shoot up enough testosterone(ie, steroids) to cause a heart attack in order to exceed a slightly smaller man, while in the context of everyday activities, she might actually be stronger than the same man. I hope that makes sense. Kristen says on 13/Mar/10
Tron, I wonder what the Dutch statistics would show if you divided the population into various age groups (16-20, 21-25, 26-30 etc). Kristen says on 13/Mar/10
I should have said that it was ridiculous for Vibram to claim that guys shorter than 5'10 can date only obese girls as if that's some kind of formula that has any basis in reality. I think Vibram's posts are probably satirical at this point.
Mathew's post made a lot of sense, which means that it'll be ignored. Sue Donym says on 13/Mar/10
yeah, and you're obviously a genius too, Ben. Bo says on 13/Mar/10
len says on 12/Mar/10
good debate about average sized people. But heres one for debate whats the smallest a person can be to be considered big? I'm 6ft 1 and 190 pounds of muscle mainly. I get called a big guy due to my athletic frame. I think someone can be seen as a big man from 5ft 9 onwards depending on build, height is secondary.
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I agree completely. I think under 5'9" is where you start to really have a a "short" look and under 5'5" is very very very short. Also I think head size is can make you look small too. Josh says on 13/Mar/10
Ace I'm 27 and 5'9" tall. I'm not irrational to think I'm well below average however I don't care about the average. Girls often prefer taller guys and "if you are average, you are short" is the imposed height mentality. I don't believe it is just an American theory. I think many nations get it this way these days. tommy says on 13/Mar/10
i think when men are 5ft8 or over they are not short
i have 2 friends one at 5ft8-5ft8.5 and one 5ft7 they both look much different
the 5ft7 one look short the other one doesn't he looks normal with others guys
but nowadays some people over estimate the average height and think that everything under 180cm is short
i am 175-176cm , usually people think i am at least 5ft11(180cm), and i have been called more tall than short in my entire life , i think average height guys feel pressurized because they are not tall , but they must be happy to be at their height because they are not 5ft5 or under ( true short heights) where you are at the same height or sometimes shorter than most girls , average height guys are taller than 90% or more than all females
also i cannot understand when people around my height say they are shorter than almost everybody that's not true unless they are dutch or live in a tall country , in UK , usa ,france , italy , spain etc... they are perfectly normal , i am 5ft9 and people shorter than myself are not hard to find , i see a lot every days , few days ago i walked down in the street in my town and see maybe 20 out 30 guys i see shorter maybe i was lucky this day
so my height doesn't bother me like some others guys here maybe because my family and friends are not tall , my friends are 5ft4-5ft11 (80% of them 170-180cm) with few exceptions taller ( father and mother both around 5ft5), but if i was 5ft7 or under i would be worried yes...
also don't listen girls who say they want only tall guys , a lot of them date average and short guys as well, what they prefer and what they choose are two different things
my mother wanted a 5ft11(180cm) man , she married a 5ft5-5ft6 man Smitty says on 13/Mar/10
You guys are crazy, especially you Vibram. If you are good looking, you are good looking, and that's all their is to it, that's all that matters, believe me cause I'm tall. Of course some girls want tall guys but its really only cause girls like to feel good about themselves, as all girls' biggest insecurity is feeling "big". But I'm 6'1" and good looking but I know this guy that's around 5'10" that hangs out with my friends that girls check out WAY more than me cause 1. he's very good looking 2. he's really fit with really broad shoulders and arms 3. he has a great overall vibe about him. Vibram you are either a TROLL or just really ugly and in denial that it's your "height" that bothers you. I know a 5'9.5" guy that had a really hot girlfriend for a long time, but then again he is very good looking.
Does anyone agree with this or experienced similiar things? OldBoy says on 13/Mar/10
LOL I know a guy who is about 170cm and his girlfriend is about 177cm.
And a friend of my father, well, he reaches the "boobs" of his wife and when he is dancing with her it`s pretty cool to watch that couple.
By the way IŽd rather be 178cm and 75kg than 190cm,70kg. Aleks says on 13/Mar/10
Women tend to treat real short men (5'5" and under) like if they were some kind of circus freaks. They are indeed likely to mock them. Maddy says on 13/Mar/10
Kristen & Bo: Interesting observation. Do you think the distance between shoulders and head plays a role as well? Higher and wide shoulders could give the illusion of more mass and therefore more height? Jacob says on 13/Mar/10
@Ben
You are one unbelievably superficial guy.. JayB says on 13/Mar/10
@ Vibram, the problem is that you put WAY too much thought into height. You overanalyze everything about height and let it rule your life. You get into these poor me pitty parties over something so trivial as height and it makes you sound like a crazy loon. Why put so much negative thought and focus into something you can't change? JayB says on 13/Mar/10
I think average height is the perfect height because you're not too tall and not too short, you're just right. At average height you most likely won't have a problem with finding clothes that fit good.
@ mitak, I think your height chart is a tad bit high when it comes to countries like the US and UK. It would be a good chart for taller places like the Netherlands though.
@ Josh
What I meant was Bo is well off compared to the world wide average. He better be thankful that he's average height in the country he lives in(the US) than being the height of 5'6" which is the world wide average height. c-mo says on 13/Mar/10
Bo says on 11/Mar/10
c-mo says on 10/Mar/10
i think everythink is said ....5'9 is short bottomline!! and i have to agree with vibram my height is also 176cm and i live in germany where i feel like a midget sometimes ....5'9 is short we dont need to discuss it anymore
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if 5'9" is short, than that means 5'11" is tall. am i correct? cause both are 1 inch from the 5'10" average
here in germany the average height for young men is 180-181 cm (5'11) and here in germany are really tall people ....even asians who live here are often tall and women too ....sometimes when i walk in the city i see women who are almost 1 head taller than me without high heels and i think to myself : wtf ? i am 176cm how tall is she then 190cm or what ? ...its crazy believe me.....176cm is a really strange height to be in my opinion and thats the reason why i can understand vibram .....perfect height for a man is 180 - 185 cm in my opinion (5'11 - 6'1) Ben says on 13/Mar/10
I stopped to grow at about the age og 16. I was already 6'1" and people told u are 18 years old?...I think guys under 6' are small...6'1-2-3" is very good.Now I have a girlfriend and she is 5'10" and she doesn't like shorter man like 5'8"-5'9" that's why my friend didn't got her! Anonymous says on 13/Mar/10
Vibram says on 11/Mar/10
Another problem the man below 5ft10 faces in the dating world is that (now matter how in good shape the man under 5ft10 is in), for some reason, your considered more in the same league as FAT women than slim/ fit looking women. That's your level... FAT, that's as good as you can get because you ain't tall. Obese females are damaging men below 5ft10 more than themselves. Now 5 out of 10 UK women are overweight. So those 5 that aren't obese become more 'picky' about men because more men chase than they would if say only 1 / 10 women were obese.
People think "Oh, he looks below 5ft10...how unfortunate". That's exactly how people think, sometimes even using 6ft as the white flag marker.
A slim 5ft8 man isn't entitled to a slim 5ft3 woman, although both would be compatible 'equivalents' in terms of adult height and build (at least in the 5ft8 mans mind). She can "do better" than him by finding a much taller man because he's short. That is the truth isn't it? Hurts doesn't it?
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAH Vibram you idiot im 6ft 3 and if i met you i would make fun of you so much you would go and kill yourself. Nothing you just said makes any sense i know alot of girls who used to say that i was tall when i was barely over 5ft 9 you are so stupid grow up. ( lol grow up get it? ZAQ says on 13/Mar/10
177cmmm
theres a mirror on the otherside so i see where i should put my arm so that its leveled to my head, than i took a picture.
it looks like i can pull of being a solid 5'8 with hair Phil says on 13/Mar/10
Hiram, you're a fake six footer at about 5'11 5/8". Mortred says on 13/Mar/10
Vibram, post a picture of yourself, next time you post again. Your posts are all in your ludicrous of a head. Get help. The Man says on 13/Mar/10
Vibram, wherever you live you need to move to a new place. I never heard of these tall assholes you decribe, or the women who reject men under 5'10".
Or solution is as follows, beat the piss out of the tall losers who pick on you, call the women who reject you too fat and ugly anyway and move on... or turn homo, I think gays are less picky about height. MD says on 13/Mar/10
All of these "short" 5'9" guys should post their pictures. Really, put up or shut up, already. This thread is long sense past the point of being ridiculous and dominated by you nutcases. Bo says on 12/Mar/10
BIG T- Where do you live? and what kind of work do you do? I'm curious where 5'10.5" is the second tallest in a work setting. Also, are you REALLY the 2nd to 3rd shortest in a bar? You're basically 6 foot in shoes man, I don't see how that's possible. Are you always on the shorter side? How often are you the shortest in bars/clubs? one of my friends is your height and is usually about average, sometimes above average, depending on the scenario, but nevertheless gets TONS of girls len says on 12/Mar/10
good debate about average sized people. But heres one for debate whats the smallest a person can be to be considered big? I'm 6ft 1 and 190 pounds of muscle mainly. I get called a big guy due to my athletic frame. I think someone can be seen as a big man from 5ft 9 onwards depending on build, height is secondary. B-Lab says on 12/Mar/10
@Hiram Balmontez: Based on what you posted, your lowest is above 5 ft11.5 and your highest is almost 6ft0.5 so you in my mind are a legit 6fter and could claim such James says on 12/Mar/10
Dan 5'9 for an 18 year old male in the UK is at the lower end of average if not just under average. I think for the younger generation 5'8 is the true start of under average/short. James says on 12/Mar/10
Being tall if your a man is good and defnintly a bonus but its not a necessity. I think in general its all about how you carry yourself for example if you go bald and don't care about it then the world won't care. If your short or even dead on average height and don't give a monkeys about it then the world won't either.
I will admit though being tall can make you appear more confident within yourself and yes maybe you will not get bullied so much. Sometimes if your short I am guessing you have to try a bit harder to compensate than taller men but again as has been said before 'its not what your given but its how you go about it that matters.'
And Vibram I think part of your problem is you are appearing insecure about your height and people can pick up on that and try and antagonise you about it. I think you just lack some serious confidence because 5'9 is not really that short and its certianly not tall but its just about average. Many people will see you as being average anyway since you said your 5'9 or 5'9.5? If you go around appearing angry or uptight about your height than you are only pushing people away, short guys or average height guys that are successful with girls don't let thier height bother them and they appear chilled out and approachable. I respect you vibram and perhaps you just need to find confidence to work around your height insecurities so girls will find you more approachale. What I would suggest to you is that whenver you are out on the town with your friends if your height really bothers you that much then wear shoe lifts that will make you appear 5'11 and that might give some confidence if you find it hard to except the hieght you are. I am not trying to be mean or anything.
What I found astounding is my mum that is only 5'2 said "5'9 is quite short" as well. |
