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Jasper says on 7/Nov/09
@The Dutchguy
Oke prima, maar waarom reageer je dan in het engels? Sommige mensen claimen namelijk Nederlands te zijn, terwijl dat niet zo is.
G.G says on 7/Nov/09
nice growth charts everyone except for kev, whos growth chart i can NOT believe. You grow heaps quick at 11... and you have been growing pretty steadily since 11. And then at like 18, you grow 12.5 cms until 22. I find that is a trash talk and a half. You start your growth spurt at 11, you should finish your growing by 18 then, but you still grow 12.5cms until 22. Pfft come on, i bet noone including this site has ever meet someone who grew that much after 18, you can stop lying on the internet.
If i followed ur growth chart, kev, i would be 206cm by 22 lol. I find that hard to believe when my dad is 172cm and my mum is 170cm, my older bro is 178cm and my uncles from mum's are like 180 - 190cm range. Lol, kev, you wish you could grow that much after 18.
Peace PaulG says on 7/Nov/09
Good size arms there Alex. 17 inchers?
i have 18 inchers, i am 6-6'1 and about 210. You should work more on cheast though, it looks disproportionate compared to your arms... The Dutchguy says on 6/Nov/09
@ jasper, the Dutchguy, pretty selexplainatory, eh? yes i am Dutch ^^ and, i really hope to hit 200 cm one day! Jasper says on 6/Nov/09
@ The Dutchguy?
Ben jij ook Nederlands? Wat toevallig zeg, wij zijn bijna hetzelfde gegroeid:
11: 163 cm
11.5: 166 cm
12: 170 cm
12.5: 173 cm
13: 177 cm
13.5: 180 cm
14: 185 cm
14.5: 188 cm
15: 190 cm
15.5: 192 cm
16: 194 cm
16.5: 197 cm
Ik denk dat je inderdaad wel kans hebt om door te schieten naar de 196 - 200 cm.
in English:
Are you Dutch as well? That's funny, we almost grew by the same chart.
11: 5ft4
11.5: 5ft5.5
12: 5ft7
12.5: 5ft8
13: 5ft9.5
13.5: 5ft11
14: 6ft1
14.5: 6ft1.5
15: 6ft2.5
15.5: 6ft3.5
16: 6ft4.5
16.5: 6ft5.5 - 6ft6
I think you will reach a full 6ft5 - 6ft6.5. SV says on 6/Nov/09
Vibram maybe the reason you have no luck with women is because you're insecure and dont like your height. Girls are quite good on picking up on stuff like that. Back in secondary school, among my group of friends, the one who had all the luck with guys was only 5'7. You need to stop feeling sorry for yourself Dave says on 6/Nov/09
Can any woman on this board give an honest answer and tell me why male height is so important to them? please dont come away with answers along the lines of 'attitude is what counts'or 'im more attracted to personality' it just aint true. Alex says on 6/Nov/09
James, I train 5 days a week with weights. I take the weekends off most of the time unless I miss a day. I was in the 195-200lb range for over the last 1 1/2 years but over the last 6 weeks went from 196 to 208. I am aiming for 220, maybe 225 at most. Though I get estimated at 220lbs now anyway lol James says on 6/Nov/09
Rob in the whole of Britian including ,England,Ireland and Wales is the average height 176cm? kev says on 6/Nov/09
g.g
10 years 138cm
11 years 142cm (growth spurt) couldent walk to school my knees hurted so bad
12 years 165cm
13 years 166.5cm
14 years 168cm
15 years 170cm
16 years 173cm
17 years 175.5cm
18 years 177.5cm
19 years 180.0cm
20 years 182 cm
21 years 185 cm
22 years 190 cm
23?
24?
farthers height 190.5cm mothers height 170cm Jacob says on 6/Nov/09
@ G.G
11 years: 148cm
11.5 years: 149cm
12 years: 152cm
12.5 years: 154cm
13 years: 157cm
From here on i do not have any heights as i apparantly didn't measure myself between those times.
15.5 years: 173
16 years: 177
16.5 years: 179
17 years: 181
17.5 years: 183
18 years: 185
18.5 years: 187
19 years: 188
I then gradually grew to 189. The Dutchguy says on 6/Nov/09
to G.G, im not quite sure if this is a fully 100% correct, and ive always grown(still am) very rapidly..
11 years 1.60 cm
12 years 1.64 cm
13 years 1.68 cm
i grew a lot, but not a real growth spurt
13.5 1.73
14 1.83, first (painful) growth spurt
14.5 1.85 cm
15 1.88
15.5 190.5
16 191
16 and 4 months: 193.5
thats all i know, and im still growing(at 16 and 4 months)..so..hopefully i'll hit a legit 6'5(1.96) or 6'6(1.98) one day(21-25 years old?)..would love to hear your ''feedback'' G.G says on 6/Nov/09
can everyone please show a growth chart of your own growth like during different years until you stopped growing? (If you can remember... i'm just wildly very curious) It will be a celebheights FIRST!
Example: My growth chart
(I have a physical check up every 6 months since my 11th birthday)
11 years: 152cm
11.5 years: 153cm
12 years: 154.5cm
12.5 years: 156.5cm
13 years: 158cm
(13 years and 3 months, 1st growth spurt, excruciatingly painful, stretch marks)
13.5 years: 171cm
14 years: 180cm
14.5 years: 184cm
15 years: 186cm
(hope i'm still growing...)
15.5 years: ?
16 years: ?
16.5 years: ?
17 years: ?
17.5 years: ?
18 years: ?
Source: My medical records since October 2005.
Thanks a billion everyone.
PS: sorry for using cms, im from Australia, have trouble converting to feet and inches, hope you can decipher my measurements. Cheers
EVERYONE POST A GROWTH CHART OF YOURSELVES :D sixfootfour16 says on 6/Nov/09
I suspect very few of you know what 5'8 even looks like, many of the guys at my school suggest that they are 5'8, and they are up to my shoulder. Guys that range from 5'4 - 7, all claim 5'8. 5'8 claim 5'9 and the like. Jacky Huynh says on 5/Nov/09
Rob, my lunch time height is 172 cm (I think it's about 5'7.72") and I'm 16. I'm a guy. Would I be too tall in Scotland?
[Editor Rob: the average is 5ft 9-9.5 range, 176cm.] mId says on 5/Nov/09
I don't think women care that much about height either.. but I've seen some experiments where women speed-date men and the one they liked the most were all over 5'11. they say something like.. forget being rich, good-looking. just be tall. you can find it on youtube.. also.. one other I saw there was 5 guys.. one very short and women are going to chose.. nobody pics him.. to up his ods they say he is a olympic gold medalist in skiing and that he's a authour and rich.. they still don't pic him.. when they ask the women why they say -he's still short :) and only chance they would pick him over the others was if the other were serialkillers or something.. hehe.. life is just not fair. you can find both "documentaries" on youtube.. And on a sidenote.. Alex.. I can't belive you are only around 93kg on those pictures. you look heavier. we are they same height and when I was around that weight I sure as hell did not look that big..maybe I had more fat on me ;) Mike says on 5/Nov/09
Vibram, it looks to me like you've decided to place the blame for your lack of success with women entirely on your height, when infact, as others before me have mentioned, this is pretty far down most womens lists in terms of what they look for in a man. My advice to you is, stop worrying about your height and how it is perceived. Instead, try to focus on things you can actually change, for example, your build, confidence and dress sense.
By the way, I'm 18 and I'm 5'8.5, and I have had more success with girls than most of my friends, some of which are 6ft+. From my experience Vibram, height does not play as important a role in the real world as you seem to think. Joshua says on 5/Nov/09
I found a message from a pompous 6'7 guy:
Click Here Dave says on 5/Nov/09
I have to agree with Vibram on a few of his points, i stay in Scotland and have had quite a few women remark on how short i was and how it was too small for them to consider going out with me. The remarkable thing is that the women here are about a 3-4/10 on the looks scale and the ones who remarked on my height were around that themselves. The point being that if women who are a bunch of plain janes discriminate against men based on height what chance do we have with the ones in the 6-7/10 range - very slim to none is the answer.
I have also heard a few women say that they dont care about height, but in my experience what a woman says and actually does are two different things. Liam says on 5/Nov/09
Vibram is talkigf about girls and not women. Women are not like men, they dont need a guy with 10/10 looks to be attracted, they aren't visual like we blokes are. James says on 5/Nov/09
How many times a week do you train at the gym Alex? Jake says on 5/Nov/09
I have a question...why do you think height average is classified as 20-30 years or above 50 etc. Is that because people above 50 start to shrink or the new generation is taller (maybe both). If we consider that people don't shrink until 50 years of age why then height average between 20-30 is given in the statistics as a segment. This makes me think that every new generation is definitely taller. Jake says on 5/Nov/09
Juande says on 1/Nov/09
Jake and Vibram (a couple of your posts, you seem to change your mind every other post)
I never changed my mind or wrote contrasting opinions here as you guys said. There is another Jake here and perhaps you confused us with eachother. Tell me where I contradicted myself instead of saying I had changed my mind every other post.
5'9" is short because it is a borderline height and as mankind gets taller as time goes by, it looks like short rather than medium. When It comes to 6'3" being tall or very tall, many of you guys who think it is "very tall" are short people and tend to display it "very tall" so that 5'9" could be percieved as medium. Any change you make in one range will effect the other. Showing 6'3" as "very tall" makes it easier to call shorter ranges as "medium". That's the case. Yet, height conception is individual and there is no single accurate analysis since it is relative. The Dutchguy says on 5/Nov/09
Vibram, you might be the most jaded man i know, your theory is utter bull, in my year, there is this one kid, he is huge, 6'8 at least( i know this, for he is at least 4 inches taller then i am,6'4) and he is wide shouldered and all..a dick in your eyes eh?..well, he gets picked on by the ''shorter'' guys(5'10-6'2) for being a giant..the girls however frown upon their actions, they prefer a mr. Nice guy,regardless wether he is 5'6 or 6'7..so i dont know in what kind of sick jaded world you live, but..you're just wrong on so many levels in my eyes Anton says on 5/Nov/09
@Vibram, this is an example of a guy under 5'10" defending himself against three taller men , this video is real and as in real life nobody stops to gauge height before deciding to defend themselves, the men disrespected his wife and got whipped...when they interview the guy you can see clearly he isn't exactly a Viking warrior, just an average 5'6"-5'8" guy with solid skills.
Click Here Brian says on 5/Nov/09
@ Vibram: You're saying that short men never get close with women, and you consider yourself to be a short man, but you know exactly how every women always feels and acts when picking out dates/partners. So, with this complete knowledge of the female mind, you must be incredibly close with women that you yourself admits will always avoid and repel you for your height, right? Just wanted to make sure I'm getting what you believe to be logic.
@ Kris: Frequent stretching might have been able to boost you up an extra eighth to quarter of an inch, but look at some other factors first.
1) You might have been slightly weighed down before, but have since then shed some pounds, allowing you to stand as tall as possible. What in particular makes me believe this might be the culprit is that you say you lose an eighth of an inch less during the day than you did before, and the lighter you are, the less height you lose daily, I believe.
2) Posture improvement. There are certain exercises (I've heard, yet have never had confirmed, that sit ups are one of them) that make you stand straighter. I've even heard of footwear that has this effect. This is also a possibility.
3) Measuring errors. Have you been taking your height with socks on or on a rug latley, because that will give you a slight boost that might be throwing you off. Also, have you been holding deep breaths when being measured lately? That is proven to increase height. You might have been measuring yourself in-between breaths before, causing a minimum measurement.
Whatever the cause, it's just an extra 1/4 inch which no one will notice anyway, but I still hope I helped. Anonymous says on 5/Nov/09
Oh, Vibram, where to start?
"Women are pretty heartless and cruel"
Ridiculous generalization that is as true for men as it is for women.
"...height is a deal breaker for most of them."
Maybe some, but not most. And I think it's more about EXTREME height (tall or short) for those women. Simply being under 5'10" is not a handicap with women no matter how much you'd like to believe it.
"...the biggest, tallest jerk..."
"...a short man who go's (sic) around being nice..."
You're associating height with character -- they do not correlate. Short guys are bullied by men, ignored by women, but have hearts of gold? Sounds like some sort of bizaree black-and-white fantasy you've created in order to always be the victim. You will never be happy thinking like this (or is that the point?). J.J. says on 5/Nov/09
Average for the dutch is 6'0.25" period thats how they get the 184" for females its 169cm more like 5'6.5". I must admit that they are quite tall. Most of everyday regular young people have surpassed their average height. its quite normal to be 187cm. But from 189cm i'll say that's where tall starts.
They are tall but one thing i've realised is that they still have the same reaction to 6'7" as we do n the U.K. & the rest of the western world. But to them 6'7" will be more like 6'5" for us. AKK says on 5/Nov/09
Olivia: I suspect that 6'3" being a "perfect" height for so many growing up is because among other things, very few people actually realise how big a 6'3" guy actually is. I have a Dutch(I think) customer who comes in every so often. He's not just reaching the top of the shelves, his fringe is literally dusting the tops of the cabinets. Click Here Those machines are about 5'9" at the flat part on top. Vibram says on 5/Nov/09
Ted, i don't think height is way down on the list of what women want like you suggest. Women are pretty heartless and cruel - height is a deal breaker for most of them. You'll learn when your a grown man in his early 30s like me how tough us below 5ft10s have it with any women who's looks are above 5/10.
Put 5 women and 5 men In a BIg Brother style house and see the women gravitate towards the biggest, tallest jerk of the men. It's in their nature. The shortest puny guy of the 5 will be overlooked 99/100. The other men not respecting him naturally kind of deters women away as well, something I've said before that shorter men are less socially popular because other men don't respect them, not because of "who they are inside". Women look at men from a social viewpoint: "is he liked by society? how do other men treat him?"
A short man who go's around being nice to everybody making cups of tea is just seen as a little sapling eunuch. Women don't like nice guys, they're attracted to men that compete and win and lead other men, and people rarely get in the big guys way to tell him he's doing wrong. The Dutchguy says on 5/Nov/09
180CM, i totally agree with you James says on 5/Nov/09
I think the average of 184cm for a Dutchman was exzaggerated. Jasper says on 5/Nov/09
@MD
The avarage height for the entire population is more like 5'11.75 MD says on 4/Nov/09
Vibram,
The 5'11" number for Dutch men is for the entire population. The 6'0.6" (nearly 6'1") number is just for the 20 & 30-somethings. Kris says on 4/Nov/09
I've got a question for anyone who wants to help me. I got into this site about a month ago and consequently became...well, let's just say, "way into height". I'd never really noticed peoples' heights before so now I'm into guessing them and getting a feel for what my own looks like.
My question is this: I kinda got into measuring myself pretty regularly to track daily fluctuations and all that fun stuff - and when I started I was consistently 6'2.25" morning, 6'1.75" midday, and 6'1.5" at night.
Each time I measure myself, I stretch as much as I possibly can (without weirdly contorting my body, though), and after about a month I'm noticing my height as gone up. Now I consistently measure 6'2.5" morning, 6'2 midday, and 6'1.875" (or 6'1 and 7/8ths") at night.
Could I have stretched my body my measuring myself so much? Keep in mind I'm 25 so I'm not growing anymore... 180cm says on 4/Nov/09
It's interesting to see how people try to sell that his or her country is taller than it really is.People tend to lie about it. I've traveled a lot around the world and this is how i see things shaping up: Uk, USA, Australia, New Zealand, Canada: male avg is 175-177cm(around 5"9-5"9 and a half) and for younger generations:176-178cm. Nordic countries: avg=178cm-180cm and for younger generations:180cm-182cm. Southern european countries(Spain, France, Italy,etc) the avg is like 173-174 and for younger generations: 176-178cm. The Netherlands is like 180cm-182cm and for new generations:183cm-185cm. People please stop lying about your countries' national avg. There are tons of men between 5"8 and 5"11 in the Western world and that's a fact.Calling a 5"9 guy SHORT is NONSENSE. Countries' height averages are not soaring that fast. Remember that Young People are less and less in terms of percentage of the population because we are having fewer babies in the western world and there are more immigrants are commin' so the avg is getting shorter. Ted says on 4/Nov/09
Vibram, this is only a wild guess but you dont have much luck with girls do you?
Height is a factor but way down on the list with women. Kristen says on 4/Nov/09
Mike, I believe that your experiences are more common than Vibram's alleged experiences. I feel most people in the UK and Ireland would say the same thing. It's hard to believe that many people would even notice the heights of 5'9 guys, let alone comment on them, because that's such an ordinary height. It's also hard to believe that people would be crass enough to insult them for being of ORDINARY height. It's not like they're 5'2, and, even then, only childish, rude jerks would mock them. Joshua says on 4/Nov/09
G.G - if from 13 to 13.5 you grew 5 inches from 5'2 to 5'7, then grew another 3.5 inches from 13.5 to 14, then grew another 2.3 inches from 14 to 15, adding up to 10.8 inches you've grown since 13 years old, making you about 6'1, I'd say you're about done growing. Those are just giant spurts and I doubt you'll have any more of them. Olivia says on 4/Nov/09
I don't think at all that 6'3" is very tall.I'm 5'6" and my boyfriend is 6'2.5" and I have never considered him very tall.Girls like 6'3" guys or close. Even very short ones! I guess, something wanted and idealized should not be called "very" or "too" tall. I agree that 6'3" is such a popular height among teens as well. My 14 year old brother said he wanted to be 6'3", at least 6'2" although he is only 5'8" now. Believe me! It is the dream of so many kids these days. Had it been very tall or too tall, people would hesitate to say they want to be as tall as 6'3" or wish they were so. Jasper says on 4/Nov/09
@Vibram
You've visited Amsterdam for 6 days, i've been living in Holland for the past 16,5 years...now, who do you think can make a better estimate of the dutch avarage? mike says on 4/Nov/09
i don't know if my question has already registered, but being tall is becoming a bit of a problem in my life at the moment. Is 6ft 5 (195cm) abit unusual? Kris says on 4/Nov/09
@Vibram
You just have to realize most people outside of this website don't think about height much. People aren't "testing" each others' heights on the streets... that's just silly. Also I noticed you have a habit of making blanket statements off things you maybe saw or heard once or twice. Someone else said to stop summing up things so much, and I agree.
You sound pretty young, maybe high school? If so, just know that if you are observing "short" (I believe you said someone 5'9 ...?) people being called gay and having things thrown at them, it is not how the real world works.
You are not going to convince anyone here that your argument has any truth, so I'd drop it. Don't take what people are saying too harshly, either. Alex says on 4/Nov/09
James, some parts of Africa I can see the average male at 6'1 though. I dont doubt that. 6'3 is way too tall for the average anywhere. Don says on 4/Nov/09
Vibram,
Nice try trying to backtrack but you are making yourself sound even more idiotic with your latest statement. a girl will 'test' a shortish guy if he has height insecurities before moving onto a next date let alone consider him a bf?
you, young chap are so completely off base on this one that you lost any inkling of credibility you even had left. i really suggest you go out and meet some women before even trying to spew off any more asinine statements.
here's a logic that even you should have considered in the first place: maybe if a girl was shallow enough to think about testing a guy's height insecurities, she wouldn't have even bothered wasting her time on a date with the short guy in the first place?
get out of the basement already James says on 4/Nov/09
Even in some parts of Africa I doubt 6'3 is average height for males. Vibram says on 4/Nov/09
I read elsewhere that Dutch young men average 5ft11.25, not 6ft1 like some on here make it out to be.
My Dutch estimate having been there in 2008 for 6 days (Amsterdam):
Very short / stands out (bottom 10% of males) = 5ft8 & below
Short = 5ft9 to 5ft10 (20%; i.e. 80% are taller than you)
Average = 5ft11 to 6ft2 (roughly 50% percentile; most guys are in this range)
Tall = 6ft3+ (top 20%) AKK says on 4/Nov/09
Heh. I don't post here for a while and not much changes. Agreed that in much of Asia, 5'6" is the average(slightly higher, approaching 5'8" in most of the more cosmopolitan ones). And there are plenty of women over 21 who are 5' or shorter. Vibram says on 4/Nov/09
I'm from Derby, james. It does have it's 'rough' parts but that's no different to any other British city or town. Vibram says on 4/Nov/09
It's not that people deliberately set out to attack, goad and bully men below 5ft10, but there is an air that people will 'test' you for height insecurities, which otherwise taller men don't receive. It includes women who might like say a 5ft7.75 man but will test him to see if he's insecure about is height before the next date, or even consider him as a boyfriend in the first place. She wouldn't otherwise do that to a 6ft guy, and that height testing seems to stop at 5ft10.
Understand? Anonymous says on 4/Nov/09
Im from Holland and im 5'10.5 and no girl ever said im short. NEVER
only some 6.4 guys ones in my live told me im short jsut for fun. nothing seriously.
So even if 5'10 is below average in The Netherlands. Still people dont link it to short. i could say eveyerthing from 5'10 to 6 feet is average in The Netherlands. Maybe even 5'9. 6'1 and up is tall, at 6.3+ you will stand out in Holland. Mike says on 4/Nov/09
@Kristen
I live in Scotland and certainly have never observed any 5'7-5'9 men being treated in the way Vibram describes, I also don't think that people of this height are considered 'weak', and plenty women will go for the shorter guy rather than the taller guy. His comments appear to be very biased, exaggerated and single-minded. G.G says on 4/Nov/09
can everyone please show a growth chart of your own growth like during different years until you stopped growing? (If you can remember... i'm just wildly very curious) It will be a celebheights FIRST!
Example: My growth chart
(I have a physical check up every 6 months since my 11th birthday)
11 years: 152cm
11.5 years: 153cm
12 years: 154.5cm
12.5 years: 156.5cm
13 years: 158cm
(13 years and 3 months, 1st growth spurt, excruciatingly painful, stretch marks)
13.5 years: 171cm
14 years: 180cm
14.5 years: 184cm
15 years: 186cm
(hope i'm still growing...)
15.5 years: ?
16 years: ?
16.5 years: ?
17 years: ?
17.5 years: ?
18 years: ?
Source: My medical records since October 2005.
Thanks a billion everyone.
PS: sorry for using cms, im from Australia, have trouble converting to feet and inches, hope you can decipher my measurements. Cheers Tage says on 4/Nov/09
Wood says on 3/Nov/09
6'3 being average will be the day. I've said this before but the Dutch really aren't that much taller than the English. I'd say average height is 5'11 if anything
It's interesting because the English and Dutch are the same stock genetically. It's like a continuation across the channel. steve says on 3/Nov/09
vibram you make some pretty good observations, but sound like someone with nazi ideals that thinks way too much about this stuff. id stop posting man, you sound like a fool. Ive never thought of guys that are shorter than 6 foot as "gay" or "weak". Sure some short guys i know (5'7 and under) seem like they want to prove themselves more often than my taller friends but you cant just sum it up like you know everything. There is a world outside the UK. Plus my girlfriend of 3 years left me for a fellow whos about 5'8. What does that say about your universal perception on height? Natural selection by the way favors those who can produce the greatest number of fertile offspring not those who have the most inches. Chris says on 3/Nov/09
I'll change my name so theres no confusion "Christopher"
I understand what vibram has to say and agree that there are prejudices based on physical presence.
At the same time however "The Horse of FUNK" is right in that people will percieve you differently based on the way you carry yourself, if you are constantly worried about your height in social situations you will project that to people through your actions. If you demonstate that you are confident and really are inside you will project that to people and they will overlook any height. Kristen says on 3/Nov/09
Let's give a round of applause to Anton for his great reply to Vibram. I agree with Don and the Horse too. I never see 5'7-5'9 men get treated like Vibram claims they are treated where he lives. I seriously doubt that most Americans would even think about treating normal-sized men in that way. It just wouldn't cross their minds, no matter the state or city. Vibram makes it sound like 5'8 men would stand out from the crowd like midgets dressed in clown suits. This is not realistic. Very obese women often receive mean comments and stares, sadly, but I've never seen 5'7-5'9 men get treated like this due to their height. Never! I noticed that other people, who live in the UK, said that they never saw this kind of thing, either. I think that Vibram either lives in a town full of disturbed people or he "exaggerated" his experiences. I have a question for the British people here. Do Vibram's observations match you own? Already, some British people said that they don't, so I'd like to hear from more people. Brian says on 3/Nov/09
Vibram being Vibram again, as I can see. Always the same thing with him: Being a few inches taller would solve all my problems.
Hey Vibram, I have a story to tell you. There was this girl who I was kind of crushing on and hoping to start dating, but she turned down me, a member of that 6'+ crowd, for a guy around 5'8", at most an inch taller than she is.
If that's not enough, my school's resident ladies man is probably around 5'4" or 5'5", but plenty of girls still follow him around and try talking to him all the time, even the senior ones (He's a junior). This kid, to his credit, is just smooth and good-looking. He's not self-conscious about being short- he dosen't want or try to act like the big, tall guy- and other guys don't bully him for being short because they'd actually like to be friends with him. Sue, he might be at or barely above the eye level of the average girl at our school, but that dosen't stop him from living and loving life. And there's plenty of more under 5'10" guys where I live who have girlfriends and are respected where that came from. You also can't tell me that say an awkward, clumsy 6'2" beanpole would be thought of as powerful or intimidating to fight.
In short, while being taller helps a little in your social life, the most important part of your social life is actually being social. If you or other guys who are considered "below average height" cannot get girlfriends or are being bullied, maybe it's because of how you act and not how tall you are. Don says on 3/Nov/09
Vibram,
That's funny. In my 10 combined years of high school, college, and grad school I have never witnessed a situation where a short guy got humiliated publicly by strangers due to his so called "lack" of height. I have seen some short guys who had enough guts to approach taller women at bars. If they got shot down, it wasn't some public humilation or anything close to that nature. Just polite decline. In fact, when someone DOES get singled out at a group setting it's not because of lack of height or physical appearance. It's usually because 1. he cannot hold his own in conversations 2. he's completely socially inept. But once again, the guy does not humiliated or anything close to that. He just doesn't draw as much attention and gets avoided for the most part.
I was 5'8 early in my college days myself so i can tell you from first hand experience how it felt like to be of "non alpha male height" according to your defition anyway. I was always treated as an average guy and never got made fun of once regarding my height. I had two asian suitemates in my freshman year who were quite short, at 5'3 and 5'5. We OCCASIONALLY poked some fun at them, of course all in good fun, trying to stare them down and things of that nature. But that was because we were very good friends at that point and we knew they were cool enough to be insensitive regarding those issues. We would absolutely not humiliate some 5'3 guy on the street because 1. we have this thing called maturity 2. we are too busy to care anyway.
Regarding your example of "behind the back attitudes" that is not anything out of the ordinary. I am sure behind closed doors, girls talk a lot about height, outwardly appearance of guys and what not. But as i said, this usually does not happen in most civilized, mature public settings. A lot of posters have attested to this as well so it most definitely has to do with where YOU LIVE. (or your imagination for that matter) Your way of making it sound as if this is common and happens everywhere else shows absolute ignorance on your part. You are basically making yourself sound more ridiculous and open for criticisms by other posters with every BS post you spit out. James says on 3/Nov/09
Vibram where abouts in the UK are you from? Vibram says on 3/Nov/09
Anton says on 2/Nov/09
from my experience once you leave High School you never witness ridiculous bulling
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Lucky you must live a good place. Adulthood bullying is just as prevalent as childhood according to reports, except it's way more psychological and manipulative then face-to-face and physical taunting. By adulthood, bullies have learned that they need to network with others, show a charming side to those in power over them, and to use any means at their disposal to isolate and discredit their targets. It includes physical appearance, in fact that's the first "tool" an adult bully will use first as well as lies about a persons sexuality a close second.
Another thing is the English women and their choices in men. A lot of them won't date a man who's small (who could be taller than her but below avg. for a man), even average height because of the "protection" portrayed by taller men - the natural instince in women to feel protected. Moreover, the big guy doesn't have to prove his strength and worth to protect women and it's just a look - an assumption based on size. In a way women promote/push men to violence because they think the (the small men) can't protect women and are wimps. It's mostly lower class women from "hard" council areas (where there's lots of male-male violence) that are like that, but you'll find many middle and upper class women like that too. Call it Natural Selection or "primitive instincts" what ever..
Ever heard the song "Big Bad John"?
@Don, I don't live in a slum.
Most people that pick on 5ft8 and 5ft9 guys as "shorties" are nearly always College and University ages (16-24) and 6ft+ guys from my experiences. And it's mostly opportunistic bullying such laughing as at a random stranger on a friday night.
A group of skinny 6ft chavs hangin' on a street corner will no doubt say something height-related towards a 'well-dressed' 5ft8 man as well. Something like "he's a gay size". But they will usually say something to anyone that's not like their culture, regardless of height.
The there's behind-the-back attitudes and prejudices troubling short men.
Just the other week I was visiting my parents and we all went out for a pub meal. In the car we stopped at traffic lights, my mum (who's 54 years old) had seen a short man in a raincoat (about 5'7") and proceeded to say "don't short men look stupid in long coats". The Dutchguy says on 3/Nov/09
Jacob, according to the university of Wageningen( an actually good university) and the national archive, the average height for males 18-45 is: 6'0.5'' average, so that means that average ranges from 5'11-6'2.5..just saying..i cant see why people are always trying to downgrade the Dutchavg. height? why is it so bad that our average height lies a bit above the global average? i mean, 6'.05'' is only 2.75 inches above the English or American average height.. James says on 3/Nov/09
Jacob well I could imagine people from Denmark are quite similar in height to the people of Holland.
This is what I guess the height chart for 18-19 year olds in Holland would be like.
5ft6 and under very short
5ft7 short
5ft8 short
5ft9 under average
5ft10 under average
5ft11 average
6ft average
6ft1 average
6ft2 above average
6ft3 above average
6ft4 tall
6ft5 tall
6ft6 very tall
6ft7 very tall
6ft8 Extremely tall
6ft8+Extremely tall/gigantic
I am guessing in Holland very tall for a man would start at 6'5.5. Anonymous says on 3/Nov/09
its no rocket science man. you guys make it to diffucult.
1.70 short
1.80 average
1.90 tall
thats how simple it is, so if youre 176 ur closer to 180 so average.
Thats the basic way most people will think. they wont look on a inch less or more. klem says on 3/Nov/09
Jacob 182,9cm is indeed 6 foot because 182,88cm is 6 feet not 183.
I heard in Holland average for younger generation is 184 or 185(6-0.5 to 6-1) and 182(5-11.5) for overall generation, so his chart for under 45 is not far off, since 5cm +- average is still in the average range in someway, it doesn't stand out much in a crowd. Tropico says on 3/Nov/09
Jacob. Sorry for being pedantic, but 182.9cm IS actually 6ft. I think you probably meant 182.5? I read someone post about that height as average in Holland before on here. anonymous2 says on 3/Nov/09
Jacob, I'm from the Netherlands too and what Anonymous said is totally true, at least for younger people. 6'3" is normal and you see it all the time everywhere. I, at a legit 6'1", feel average as well. In my classes there are even 3 girls taller than me with one of them at 6'4" - and people don't see her as a giant or anything. I also think Jacob meant an average 'range' of height which is considered average. Oh, and another university measured their students and they came up to an average of 185cm (I believe it was the university of Utrecht, not sure though) mId says on 3/Nov/09
Jacob: 182,9 = over 6' 182.88 = 6' they just say 183cm is 6' because it's the closest even number. Wood says on 3/Nov/09
6'3 being average will be the day. I've said this before but the Dutch really aren't that much taller than the English. I'd say average height is 5'11 if anything. J.J. says on 3/Nov/09
Jacob the 182.9 is actually a tiny bit over 6'0". It's actually 6'0.01" a full 6'0" is 182.88"
Tall in Holland Starts from 6'2" but a true tall person should be at least 189cm that 6'3" is a bit crap despite Anonymous' difference is 2cm.
195cm is the start of Very Tall in Holland.
200cm is just huge but not entirely rare.
Most regular men seem to be 187cm in Holland though.
Females are all significantly 5'8" in Holland as well Jacob says on 3/Nov/09
Anonymous says on 2/Nov/09
Males (18 - 45) in Holland height chart:
6ft7>: very tall
6ft5 - 6ft7: noticeably tall
6ft3 - 6ft5: tall
5ft11 - 6ft3: avarage
5ft9 - 5ft11: short
5ft7 - 5ft9: noticeably short
<5ft6: very short
Anonymous are you kidding me? It's not because you're tall yourself that you can go and publish a completely wacko height chart in which even 6'3" is AVARAGE?!
Needless to say this chart is completely wrong interpreted, the avarage height of the dutch male is (according to a university of Eindhoven) 182,9, so not even 6', which means that above 6' is above avarage. James says on 3/Nov/09
Guys my brother said that as a race Britian and America would be alot taller if people got to sleep in more during the day. But the thing is most people have to get up early to go to school or work and not everybody can always get a proper nights sleep all the time becasue of thier hetic lifestyles.
Do you think this could be true? James says on 3/Nov/09
I didn't mean to annoy people by what I said. And yeah I guess you guys are right i think if your 6'10 people will be stopping you in the street and wan't thier photo taken with you. Anonymous says on 3/Nov/09
Does anybody know what the average height in the US was back in the 1940s? Rob? steve says on 3/Nov/09
guys, what about countries in the world where av. height is 5'6 or 5'7. most south american countries, south asian countries and west african countries have this average in adult males. I feel like alot of these comments insinuate that these people are inadequate subhumans when in actuallity its because they dont have the means to stuff the faces of their children with hormone enhanced and hfcs foods. Stop the heightism. its a real prejudice that not recognized in the world. This alpha male mumbo jumbo is just nonsense. i have plenty of friends significantly shorter than myself (marines in the 5'7 range) that i would be terrified to upset. Conversely we need to be more sensitive to those with abnormal heights 6'6+. James i dont think most people feel the need to pick fights with people that are large like that. You made that statement as a definitive which is just foolish. Anton says on 2/Nov/09
@Vibram,
most young men who are blessed with good health don't worry about getting to 178 cm . kids might but not men , the average man has responsibilities and is too busy to worry about height perception , if your account is true , then move to a better place, from my experience once you leave High School you never witness ridiculous bulling , so you might be hanging out with the wrong people. Being of average height my self, I have never been attacked, not even verbally . The "borderline" does not start at any height , it starts in your mind when you convince yourself you are less. I'm sure a lot of terminal patients would trade height for heath. Mike says on 2/Nov/09
James says on 2/Nov/09
I tell you one thing though apprently if you get freakishly tall like 6ft10 thats when people start to treat you as different and wan't to pick fights and beat you up etc...
LOL, couldn't be further from the truth! Anonymous says on 2/Nov/09
Males (18 - 45) in Holland height chart:
6ft7>: very tall
6ft5 - 6ft7: noticeably tall
6ft3 - 6ft5: tall
5ft11 - 6ft3: avarage
5ft9 - 5ft11: short
5ft7 - 5ft9: noticeably short
<5ft6: very short
My height chart:
11: 5ft6
12: 5ft8
13: 5ft10.5
14: 6ft1
15: 6ft3.5
16: 6ft5.5
16.5: 6ft6
How tall will I be?
Dad: 6ft5
Mom: 6ft1.5
Bro (21): 6ft8
Grandparents (mom): 6ft4 & 5ft 10
Grandparents (dad): 6ft1 & 5ft7 christopher says on 2/Nov/09
rob can you tell the other person named christopher who posted on 1/nov/09 to post as a different name as i have been posting for a few months as this name. thank you. Don says on 2/Nov/09
Vibram,
You must live in slums. Get out of that area if you want to see how we civilized people live. We civilized people don't go "hey there is a 5'8 guy! let's go pick on him and beat him up!" We've got too much things going on in our brains and are too busy to care about a random "little" guy on the street. I have never seen an instance like that in any areas i have lived in. ever. in a few instances where i have gone to a "ghetto" area in downtown, people over there don't have any preference to who they want to pick on; it could be a midget to a 6 foot well built guy. they would gang tackle hulk hogan if they were after money.
Likewise, girls here are educated enough to not laugh at a short guy although god knows what they are thinking inside; at least they are mature enough to not show it.
Got to move up in this world vibram. wood says on 2/Nov/09
From an average UK middleclass white boy perspective per se I'd say that at 6'1 I am pretty much the height most guys want to be (I'm 17) based on the average conversation about height. Normally 6' - 6'2 are what guys seem to want to be. People over 6'4 also seem to want to be in that bracket. But never have I heard a guy who is 6'3 complain.
From an athletic perspective, I want to be 6'3. Purely because I row and play basketball. I think it depends on the sport, but as an all-round athlete 6'2/6'3 is probably the best height to be for all round power/endurance/flexibility/practicality of training etc.
Anything over 6'2 without the right sized head just looks rediculous. So, I think a well proportioned 6'3 and you're sorted. Although anyone who is a true 6' - 6'4 is a decent height. The Horse of FUNK says on 2/Nov/09
I can tell Vibram doesn't get laid much. I bet not an hour goes by where Vibram doesn't think about height and his diminutive stature. THAT is the reason you are seen as weak, Vibram, not because you're 5'9". By your logic I should have girls throwing themselves at my 6' frame while pointing and laughing at my 5'7" best friend. In reality he gets just as much tail because he doesn't carry himself around as a weakling and nor does he believe himself to be a weakling. James says on 2/Nov/09
Vibram I suppouse you have a point but do you think a skinny 6'4 man like Jeff Goldblum would get bullied or picked on? I don't think he would.
I tell you one thing though apprently if you get freakishly tall like 6ft10 thats when people start to treat you as different and wan't to pick fights and beat you up etc... Vibram says on 2/Nov/09
uk guy, 5ft11 / 180cm is the expected norm amongst university aged males (18-24 years old on average) and 6ft to 6ft4 being the ideal "mans man heights" for greater self-confidence amongst girls and being allowed to be a social power (Alpha male). So a flat 5ft9 is small.
I've seen slim 5ft8 and 5ft9 men being 'goaded' by strangers in the street, Even remember a skinny 5ft9 guy having a kebab poured on his head by a stranger for no reason other then entertainment. Would that sort of thing happen to a skinny 5ft11 or 6ft man? Including 6ft nerdy men? No it wouldn't - i've never seen it. People would refrain from such things cos there would be fear of a beating. I think that if your slim and below 5ft10 people think your can't win fights and are easy meat for a friday night humiliation. there is a natural contempt for small men, borderline small men, and the borderline starts at the 5ft9 range and below.
Most young men worry if they aren't getting to 178cm. That's another reason why being below that is considered small or "not good"... because of this worry. They know if they aren't 'built' at being below 5ft10 they are likely to get bullied, singled out or treated as lesser men in the company of 6ft+ men. James says on 2/Nov/09
In Canada a 6ft man would be legitly tall sinne the average is only 5'8.5.
In the US however a 6ft man is equivlant to a legit 5'11 man in the UK I think? uk guy says on 2/Nov/09
people who think 5"9 is short need help, my girlfriend is a legit 5"9 and i can tell you she looked solidly average around men i think the reason why 5"9 people feel short is because of bad posture and eye levels maybe they feel short but to the other person you look very average. jake says on 2/Nov/09
Males in Australia Height chart:
6'3">- very tall
6' 1"- 6' 2": noticeably tall
5' 11"- 6': tall
5' 10": average
5' 9"-5'8": short
5' 7"- 5' 6": noticeably short
5' 5"<- very short Ace says on 2/Nov/09
ACG says on 8/Jun/08
Hey guys- I've found a new way of figuring out the REAL height of celebs!! It's really simple; all ya gotta do is go to the top of your browser window and click "Edit" then "Find on this page" and when the entry box comes up, type "glenn"(without parenthesis). Now keep clicking the "find" button until you come across the word "glenn" and it has number in the post such as 6-1 6-2 or 5-8. Whichever of those numbers glenn attributes to the celeb in question is the real height!! And here's a hint: Whenever someone says hey I saw so-and-so look extremely short/tall in an elevator/hotel lobby/restroom and glenn disagrees, there's an almost 100% chance that the original poster is FOS!!
This aforementioned method of height determination is proven to be the most accurate amongst web-surfers, even more so than the so-called "official" height listed by Rob! Why? Well, glenn has actually chilled with 99.98% of the celebs he comments on, as in "saw multiple times over long periods with his very own eyes". Though Rob is usually accurate, there are few that fall under the "non-precise guesstimation" category, which glenn will correct when he posts. Remember, folks, just because there's a height listed at the top of the page, it doesn't make it the be-all-and-end-all of answers. The closest you'll get(and I'm mean pretty damn close) to perfect spot-on estimations is actually reading the guy who "made" this website. "Made" as in made it was it is, not the html coder/webmaster(a la Rob). So yeah, if glenn decided to take off and leave one day(which of course he has every right to do) this site would be absolutely nothing and would most likely die within a week. He is the only solid source of info by a long shot. It's like having our own private insider who responds to your personal questions- a pretty fukinig good deal if you ask me.... So instead of biting the hand that feeds you, why don't we all actually take glenn a tad more seriously, no? Before claiming you know a height and insisting glenn is clueless about it, please stop and realize that there's no point. Glenn gives us pictures, info and first hand descriptions yet all he asks for is our respect. How hard is that??
Sorry for the long speech, but I felt like that had to be said. Too many irreverent posters if you ask me....
And for the record, I believe Ford was an easy 6'1 peak and still nothing under 6' today.
Good night.
No offense ACG, but it has been a long time without glenn, and so far... this site seems to be doing very well on its own. aramx says on 1/Nov/09
I think the average height for males and females is 5,10" and 5,4" respectively. The world average is more like 5,7" for males and 5,3" for females I believe, so anyone who thinks 5,7" is tiny is a fool. I think anything under 5,5" for a male is very short, though, and for a girl anything under 5,2" is petite. Zeppast says on 1/Nov/09
@Jaunde
I agree with you most people don't know what a true 5'9'' or 6'0'' guy looks like.This guy I know at work told me he was 5'7'' but in reality he's actually about 5' 4'' because I have about 5 inches on him and I'm 5' 9'' or slightly taller but it just goes to show you that most people have a preconceived notion of what certain heights look like. When I was 17 I thought I was 5' 10'' even though in reality I was just shy of 5' 8, beleave me I was shocked when I broke out my tape measure and had my brother measure me tree times. So if you have not been measured before have someone measure you on a flat even floor with your back against the wall, you might be shocked at the end result. Derek says on 1/Nov/09
Juande is right on the money. A legit 6'0" is tall, taller than a good 80% of the population. At mid-day, I'm just shy of 6'2" and I feel pretty damn tall.
There are plenty of 5'7"-5'8" guys claiming 5'9" and plenty of 5'10"-5'11" guys claiming 6'0" or even 6'1". From what I've seen, most are a good inch shorter than what they claim. Christopher says on 1/Nov/09
I think a more important emphasis should be put on how others PERCIEVE your height, if you have a slim build you will automatically look taller. Its only when you are with several of your taller (5'8 compared to 6'0) friends do you begin to feel dwarfted and understandibly its an uncomforable and annoying feeling to always have for many reasons: women looking past you and toward the taller guys, nightlife in general etc... Matt says on 1/Nov/09
Anybody notice that a lot of guys over 5'10" claim to be 6'. I've noticed this with people I used to go to high school with and the height they list on social networking sites. I guess 6' is generally excepted as a good height so they throw on an extra 1.5" or so. I guess most people don't care so they are never questioned about it. With most girls being 5'4" or so, they probably can't tell much a difference. Kris says on 1/Nov/09
My ideal height is the height I am - a fraction under 6'2". I'm always seen as tall but I'm never "that one tall guy"... "tall" is often used as a descriptor...and depending on what kind of shape I'm in, I can either seem just tall or a pretty big guy. I think 6'3 is when you become that token tall guy; the one people universally know as tall. I think there's something more intimidating about not being super tall, but tall enough so that if you bump heads with someone and they get up close, they'll realize "he's pretty big...".
My question is, what heights are you and what are some examples of reactions you get about them? For example, as a 5'10" guy, does height even come up being at the average? Are people happy with their heights? mId says on 1/Nov/09
well.. this just further proves my point.. no one sees 6' as tall. taller end of average is still average.. and that's what I said 6' was.. so obviously americans see 6' as average too. Bored on CH. says on 1/Nov/09
I stand 5'4.5" barefoot so i'm a 16 year old boy. I weigh a tad over 140 lbs and with shoe's I am almost 5'6". My broader build makes me seem shorter then I am and plus I slouch.
The average kid at my high school who's a sophmore is about 5'6" - 5'9" ( it is very ethnically diverse. ).
I'd say in the USA if your 6'2" or up you seem kind of tall. 6'4" and up is noticalbe. Jake says on 1/Nov/09
Juande says on 1/Nov/09
Jake and Vibram (a couple of your posts, you seem to change your mind every other post)
I never changed my mind or wrote contrasting opinions here as you guys said. There is another Jake here and perhaps you confused us with eachother. Tell me where I contradicted myself instead of saying I had changed my mind every other post.
5'9" is short because it is a borderline height and as mankind gets taller as time goes by, it looks like short rather than medium. When It comes to 6'3" being tall or very tall, many of you guys who think it is "very tall" are short people and tend to display it "very tall" so that 5'9" could be percieved as medium. Any change you make in one range will effect the other. Showing 6'3" as "very tall" makes it easier to call shorter ranges as "medium". That's the case. Yet, height conception is individual and there is no single accurate analysis since it is relative. James says on 1/Nov/09
Most people I know say that a legit 6'1 in the UK is when you start to stand out as tall. Anonymous says on 1/Nov/09
Uni1,
I would say you are very tall. You've answered your question in your comment lol. You do see a lot of ppl who are 5'10-6'0 and you're 4 inches taller. It means you stand out. Anything over 203cm would be GIGANTIC not just TALL! Jacob says on 1/Nov/09
I wonder what you guys ever experienced of growth pains?
I didn't have so much pain as i grew steadily and didn't really have a huge spurt but rather grew about 4-5 centimeters each year. I do however remember having a lot of purple/blue marks next to both sides of the croch area. My sisters had those as well.
I also remember having the usual pain in my legs each day, which came out of nowhere or in sports sometimes just lifting my leg and having a really hard pain just suddenly coming up in my leg.
Other than that, i never fainted or anything, like my brother. Uni1 says on 1/Nov/09
Hi everyone...i'm 194 cm or about 6'4 and 1/4 inches. is that tall? I don't see many ppl taller than me but i do see alot of ppl who are 5'11-6'0. Generally, ppl are getting taller...so i reckon my height is only considered to be tall-short...anything over 203 cm would be tall. MD says on 1/Nov/09
Rob,
Hugh 191cm is doing his spamming, again. I counted nearly 20 consecutive posts, most less than one sentence -- and none with any explanation as to how he came up with the estimates -- for the time period of October 30.
Come on, man. I'm sure you can warn him to add a bit more substance or cut it out. It's annoying, to say the very least, and distracting. Juande says on 1/Nov/09
want some of you to whip out a tape measure and actually get an idea of what 5'9 looks like. Then look at what 6'2 looks like.
Jake and Vibram (a couple of your posts, you seem to change your mind every other post) especially, you are either unbelievably naive or just incredibly deluded when it comes to heights. For a start, as a senior in high school in the UK around the london area, I can tell you now, that 5'9-5'10 is average. No taller. There are quite a few guys around 5'11.5, but then as whole year group of 110 guys, only 20 maybe are truly 6'. Only 3 are 6'3-6'4. The tallest guy in my school is 6'5, and is in the year below. He is taller than every teacher.
I play first team rugby and basketball. Again, the average height is maybe 5'11. At 6'1, and I mean a real 6'1. Not a 5'11 guy completely warping his height to a point in which he actually believes he is that tall, I am taller than most people. Anything over 6'2 is uncommon.
Jake, to say 6'3 isn't very tall is just quite frankly, stupid. I row, I go to regattas with fully grown male rowers. Rowers are big people. I can assure you now, that 6'3 even at those is very tall.
My point, ladies and gentlemen. Is that you really need to get your perspectives checked out. 6' is on the taller side. There are certainly more people around the 6' area nowadays. But a true 6' will still be referred to as 'tall' in most situations. 6'1/6'2 is tall. No argument. 6'3 and you will often be the tallest in most rooms.
Yes, even as one of these super freak new generation children. Anyone on this board who feels exceptionally short at 5'9 is not 5'9. Anyone who doesn't feel tall at a true 6' is not 6'. (Add an inch for these supposedly massive northern european countries, although again, from what I've seen I am not too sure it's any more than hype)
BlackWallStreet, I'd say 6'2-6'3."
Well said, completely agree with your post. 5"9-5"10 is average in the USA, UK, Canada,Australia, New Zealand and i might argue that 5"8 is under average. I've seen lost of guys between 5"7-5"11 in the above mentioned countries. What Vibram and Jake said is an understatement. There many short young people in the western world and the avg is not increasing as fast as people think. i read that even the Dutch have reached their ceiling in growing. Besides, western people are having fewer and fewer children so the replacement rate is not as fast as you may think in terms of avg change. A great percentage of the western population is 35 plus, that's fact. Brian says on 1/Nov/09
Ask for this "ideal height" question, I would agree that most men would like to be 6'3", since it's one of those borderline heights between tall and very tall and can therefore be considered either one. Everyone agrees that most women like taller men, but I'd think that they might get alienated from all-out giants. 6'3" is tall, but just narrowly misses being "too tall" for most women. On the other hand, in the realm of other men, you'd probably want to claim something that sounds intimidating or at least respectable for sports or fights. 6'3" also satisfies in this category. I mean if you have a 7' tall guy, he will sure intimidate other men, but will repel women. On the other hand, a 6'0" guy will probably be fine height-wise with women, but if he's say a linebacker or a heavyweight boxer, he will probably be thought of as "small" or "undersized". Also, 6'3", even 6'1" or 6'2", will be looked at as "A" tall guy, but not "The" tall guy, a reputation meny would like to eschew. Big T says on 1/Nov/09
Wood, I am a compulsive self-measurer. My height is not in doubt. ZAQ says on 31/Oct/09
Vibram
Bill Gates is 5'10 but did you know his father is like over 6'6
And do you have a facebook vibram ? John says on 31/Oct/09
You know, I'm a little over 6 2'5 and I recently went to Fire and Ice in Boston, and I legit felt short. It was unbelievable. Couple girls my height in heels, and most of the men were a solid 6'4 and some upwards of 6'9. Standing in line I was dwarfed, although I was with a women only 5'1. Anyway, it was very weird, and I don't think I saw any man under 5'11 JAK says on 31/Oct/09
I think anyone who is between 5'9 and 6'0 and feels short should stand up straighter. Ever since I started to improve my posture I feel like I'm one of the taller ones. And I'm 'only' 5'11.
Basically if you're 5'9 and find yourself being dwarfed in most social situations, chances are you're standing 5'7 instead of your full height. James says on 31/Oct/09
I do belive that for a rugby player 6'3 isn't that tall like 6'6 would be if your played the sport. I mean if you see a 6'3 guy like Prince William next to Rugby players he dosen't look that big. mike says on 31/Oct/09
what age usually males start shrink? Is it possible at 30 years? Kristen says on 31/Oct/09
Thanks, Mike. So, "short average" and "tall average" are synonomous with "somewhat short" and "somewhat tall". It makes sense now. AOA says on 31/Oct/09
Rob, why do some countries still persist on not using metric system? Isnt it a lot easier and accurate to just state your height by using centimeters?
[Editor Rob: there's only a few who don't use metric. There's still a lot of people in the UK who think in feet/inches though, so for this site the biggest visiting countries are US then UK...
feet/inches will always be displayed on the site aswell as cm.] Original says on 31/Oct/09
I am 5'9, average younger man is 5'9.75 to 5'11. Jacky Huynh says on 31/Oct/09
Rob, you're from Scotland right? My dad's 165 cm (5'5"), is that considered short in Scotland?
[Editor Rob: yes it would.] Rob G says on 31/Oct/09
Oleg says on 30/Oct/09
I can't get where are you all from guys.. I can't read comments like "Apparently, many male teens want to be 190cm (6'3") tall recently. It became an highly idealized height. It is not too tall any longer like it was 50 years ago. It is a cool height indeed!" It's kind of contradiction. People want to be 6ft3 not to be as tall as everyone, they want to be 6ft3 to stand out. In Ukraine where I live I see guys mostly in 5ft7-6ft1 range, and 6ft2 guys start to stand out. When I see a solid 6ft2 guy in a subway, in the university or in the street, he's always taller than most of people there. So here in Ukraine and I think in Russia and so other Slavic countries we got:
under 5ft4 - very rare
5ft4-5ft5 - very short
5ft5-5ft7.75 - just short
5ft8-5ft9.5 - under average, sometimes short. It depends
5ft9.5-5ft10.75 - true average, I think well-built 5ft10 guys will never get called short. I also think it's average in many countries like UK, USA, most of Slavic countries, Canada and so on. But in Spain and Italy I think average is 5ft8-5ft10 range.
5ft11-6ft - above average, I think it's a good height to be, sometimes you can seem kinda tall.
6ft-6ft1 - no matter what people say, I see 6ft as a start of tall. But real 6ft, not 5ft10 or 5ft11 guys who exaggerate their height.
6ft1.25-6ft2 - also tall but you can stand out
6ft3-6ft4 - very tall
6ft5 - you know I have a friend who is definitely 6ft5 and when we go somewhere, I never see guys taller than him. I see guys who are taller than 6ft5 maybe once a week. It's rare to see
You know I wouldn't refuse to be 6ft2, but it's max. Really I wouldn't want to be taller. But perfect height for me is 6ft
Oleg's hit the nail here IMO. I agree completally with those estimates. Aleks says on 31/Oct/09
I think a legit 6'2" is very tall. Like Morgan Freeman or Patrick McGoohan. Mike says on 31/Oct/09
Kristen says on 30/Oct/09
Does anybody know what "short average" and "tall average" mean in Mike's height chart? How do they differ from "short" and "tall" How do they differ from "below average" and "above average"?
I think it's fairly obvious.. tall average is the 'tall end of average', so not quite TALL, but certainly a fair bit above average, and just under where you start to look tall in most situations. Same goes for short average, which is the 'short end of average', not quite SHORT, but a fair bit below average, and slightly above where you begin to look short in most circumstances. The reason I made up the categories 'tall average' and 'short average' was so I didn't have to type all that :) James says on 31/Oct/09
Vibram yeah the guy that was picked on was skinny apprently Jake says on 31/Oct/09
I agree that more and more people in our day idealizes being 6'3" rather than 6'2". 190 cm is cool but also borderline. Height above 190 cm sounds very tall below height makes people question why not 190cm. So it became highly idealized. We will witness more people demanding it as mankind keeps getting taller. Olivia says on 31/Oct/09
Tropico says on 30/Oct/09
Olivia - "Besides they are more remarkable than 6'2" guys"
Why then people classify 6'2" as tall and 6'3" as very tall. Why don't you ask them what difference does "one inch" make?
I meant that people who claim they are 190 draw more attention. It just sounds sexy. wood says on 31/Oct/09
Big T, measure yourself properly please. Or find shorter friends. Vibram says on 31/Oct/09
I think 190cm (6ft3) is the idealized height amongst men in their youth (esp. North America) because of the MMA, Ice Hockey and WWF. It's a pretty regular and winning height in those sports. It's like Rugby in the UK. Your not really one of the "big boys" in a Rugby team unless your 6ft3+ because the locks are roughly averaging 6ft5, 6ft6... even bigger sometimes. In cities where rugby is popular, like the city of Leicester and Newcastle, your kind of a tiny little guy to anybody interested in rugby if your not well built and below 5ft10.
The best MMA fighter is Fedor Emelianenko whos 5ft11.75, but most MMA fighters fall between 6ft0 > 6ft8 and the odd freaky height like 7ft2 Choi Hong-man.
In professional heavyweight Boxing you gotta be at least 6ft2 today. The last man below 6ft1 to win it (WBF IBA WBC) was Roy Jones at 5ft11 in 2003, and before that is was Tyson (5ft10) in 1996. David Haye is 6ft3, and I think he'll beat the slow 7ft1 giant Valuev to be WChamp next weekend. Vibram says on 31/Oct/09
Bill Gates is 5ft10 and he's been called small. I think your frame and whether you have a strong or nerdy/weak face is very very important at 5ft8, 5ft9 and 5ft10. More important than on a 6ft guy and 5ft6 guys.
I know of wiry 5ft11 men that have been called "Big guy" but the same build on 5ft9 gets called "little guy". It doesn't make much sense, but there's the cut off ranges and mentality of people for you. Vibram says on 31/Oct/09
James says on 30/Oct/09
I remember about 4 years ago I spoke to this former navy officer (who was into his early 70's) who was 5'11.5 in his prime. More to the point he told me that back in the 1940's he witnessed a fight between a English 5'10 navy officer and two taller american navy officers. More to the point the guy said to me "The two american navy officers picked on this little guy who was only 5'10 with glasses and he beat the 2 americans up". Very hard to belive 5'10 was considered small in the 1940's or today for that matter.
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Lol, Mike Tyson and David Tua are 5ft10 and 5ft9. would they be called tiny? No. That Navy guy with the glasses must of been some slight lightweight guy? Big T says on 31/Oct/09
I'm 5'10 1/2". A lot of people on this site would be amazed at how short I sometimes look in a photo with my friends. I have been in randomly assembled groups of 8-10 guys my age and been the shortest at times. aramx says on 30/Oct/09
All this discussion about being well above or below average in stature has reminded me about what extreme shortness and tallness would be. I would say anything under 4,10" is extremely short and 6,6" plus extremely tall for a full-grown adult of any sex (although I haven't seen any women over the 6,6" mark I've seen many women who are hovering around 4,10". Perhaps even a little shorter than that). Kristen says on 30/Oct/09
Does anybody know what "short average" and "tall average" mean in Mike's height chart? How do they differ from "short" and "tall" How do they differ from "below average" and "above average"? klem says on 30/Oct/09
Jake well written chart except that you forgot 5-11 to 6 feet range.
I wouldn't say 5-10 to 5-11 that you can look tall among new generation.
5-11 to 6 you can look tall on ocasions with the right build. wood says on 30/Oct/09
JAK - exactly what I've been saying mate.
NBA players average is supposedly 6'6/6'7, but most players are a couple of inches shorter. It's still huge but probably more in the 6'4/6'5 range. James says on 30/Oct/09
I remember about 4 years ago I spoke to this former navy officer (who was into his early 70's) who was 5'11.5 in his prime. More to the point he told me that back in the 1940's he witnessed a fight between a English 5'10 navy officer and two taller american navy officers. More to the point the guy said to me "The two american navy officers picked on this little guy who was only 5'10 with glasses and he beat the 2 americans up". Very hard to belive 5'10 was considered small in the 1940's or today for that matter. James says on 30/Oct/09
5'9 is not that short is just really average of course. Lower end of average for an 18 year old in the UK as is 5'8 as well. Jake says on 30/Oct/09
I have a friend who is exactly 5'9" and I measured him myself. He really looks short. Even my 5'2.5" tall mother and 5'0" tall grandmom calls him short. I know many other guys between 174-176cm. Most of them look short but not short enough to be called short all the time. There are too many shorter! people. Thats why as a 5'9" person you may never have been called short but it doesn't mean that you are not! My mom didn't tell my friend that he is short. She just told it to me while chatting. People don't tell it face to face not to hurt the person and besides 5'9" is of course not too short. Just short or short-likely. It is the borderline height. Olivia says on 30/Oct/09
Tropico why then some guys classify 6'2" as tall and 6'3" as very tall. Why don't you ask them how one inch makes a person tall and the other very tall?
I especially meant that when people say they are 190 cm, this attracts more attention sure if it really is true. Jonathan says on 30/Oct/09
Brian says on 28/Oct/09
I really need help, right now!
Got my physical today. Thought I was 6'3"-6'4", but the nurse just said "6 feet". I was shocked.
This is a perfect example of people thinking they're taller than they are. I've been reading people saying 5'9" is kinda short. This is because people don't know what an actual 5'9" really looks like. Most people add 2-3 inches to their height. Alot of really short guys always seem to claim 5'9" no matter how short they are. It's like the lowest height men are willing to go. Guys that are like 5'4" will try to claim 5'9". 5'9" is average height but it gets a bad wrap from liars. Same thing with 6', alot for 5'9 - 5'11 guys claim it and it doesn't seem as tall as it actually is. I'm 5'10 by the way. Tropico says on 30/Oct/09
Olivia - "Besides they are more remarkable than 6'2" guys"
Oh God...you don't know how crazy that sounds. Didn't know one inch could make such a 'remarkable' difference...especially in attractiveness. Aleks says on 30/Oct/09
People think 5'9" is short because 5'6"-5'7" guys claim it. Aleks says on 30/Oct/09
People think 5'9" is short because 5'6"-5'7" guys claim it. klem says on 30/Oct/09
JAK says on 29/Oct/09
Klem says on 28/Oct/09
I agree with Vibram that 5-10 is cutoff to look short in a group of YOUNG men. At 5-10 you will sometimes be the shortest in a group of men(for example students during break) but you won't stand out, 5-9 and under you will look short if others are 5-11.5+.
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Rubbish. I'm 19 years old and just over 5'11, living in the UK and attending University. 5'10 people are never short. Anything over 6'0 is tall. Most young men my age are 5'9.5 to 5'11.5, and calling anyone in that range short is just silly. Otherwise people 5'8 and below would be midgets. In that case, there are a lot of midgets walking the streets today.
First of all I am not from UK but from Slovenia where we are a bit taller so its true what I wrote in this country.
I said that 5-9 and under you will look short among young men, not the range you wrote, so learn to read.
I also wrote that 5-100 will often be the shortest in the group of young men, not that it is short. For the second time, learn to read.
Anyway, I am 5-11.5 and I am at my university in the middle, I see aproximatly as many guys shorter than taller in the classroom. James says on 30/Oct/09
Anonymous I don't really see him often but last time I saw him which was in March he probably looked 5'5 or possibly a hair less. But I haven't seen him in a while but yeah might have grown since then. Also my 5'11 aunt is careing for her almost 2 year old son who is already a big baby so he might be tall? Mike says on 30/Oct/09
Here's a new height chart for UK males, aged 16-34. Hope this one doesn't ruffle as many feathers as the first!
5'5 - very short
5'6/5'7 - short
5'8 - short average
5'9 - below average
5'10 - true average height
5'11 - above average
6'0 - tall average
6'1/6'2 - tall
6'3 and over - very tall Mike says on 30/Oct/09
Lummox, I think it's now got to the point where you're really just wasting your own time.
I have already conceded that my height chart was a little mixed up, so please stop blabbing on about it. In no way was I trying to make up new categories so as to avoid my height from being listed as 'short', that's just absurd!
So, in you're opinion, 5'8.5 is short? Thats fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion. However, I have infact, never been called short, and I think most people would agree with me that you start to be classed as 'short' when you are under 5'7.
According to you, 1.5" below the average is short? So you're telling me that 5'11.5 is now considered 'tall'? Please take a moment to rationalize what you have said. James says on 30/Oct/09
Anonymous well the the thing is though both my cousins take after their farther more than the mother so its possible my cousin might have inherited his farthers height as well since he is got his dads legs as well. He could end up at 5'9 or 5'10. The Dutchguy says on 30/Oct/09
Jake,''(talking about 6'3 people)Yet, anything out of standart(overweight, narrow shoulders, skinny body) may look worse at this height. It is like having a large car. If you take care of it, it looks perfect.'' eehm..perfect? nobody is ''perfect'' i am 6'4 and i have narrow shoulders, but i dont feel ugly or anything, what are you trying to say here? Olivia says on 30/Oct/09
Jake says on 29/Oct/09
6'3" This is a new generation height. Models of this height draw more attention than the ones at 6f2. Yet, anything out of standart(overweight, narrow shoulders, skinny body) may look worse at this height. It is like having a large car. If you take care of it, it looks perfect. Nothing can be more gorgeous but if you don't, it may suck. Apparently, many male teens want to be 190cm (6'3") tall recently. It became an highly idealized height. It is not too tall any longer like it was 50 years ago. It is a cool height indeed!
I totally agree with this. Very tall sounds unwanted but even my 14 year old cousin wants to be 6'3". So many men want to be this tall. Well-built 6'3" guys really look hot.I know a few 6'3" tall model guys. If it was "very tall" or too tall". There wouldn't be models of this height. Besides they are more remarkable than 6'2" guys. Jake says on 30/Oct/09
Oleg says on 30/Oct/09
People want to be 6ft3 not to be as tall as everyone, they want to be 6ft3 to stand out.
I never said they want to be 6'3" to be as tall as everyone. Where on earth did you read it? I said that there were so many male teens who want to be 190 cm tall. Oleg says on 30/Oct/09
I can't get where are you all from guys.. I can't read comments like "Apparently, many male teens want to be 190cm (6'3") tall recently. It became an highly idealized height. It is not too tall any longer like it was 50 years ago. It is a cool height indeed!" It's kind of contradiction. People want to be 6ft3 not to be as tall as everyone, they want to be 6ft3 to stand out. In Ukraine where I live I see guys mostly in 5ft7-6ft1 range, and 6ft2 guys start to stand out. When I see a solid 6ft2 guy in a subway, in the university or in the street, he's always taller than most of people there. So here in Ukraine and I think in Russia and so other Slavic countries we got:
under 5ft4 - very rare
5ft4-5ft5 - very short
5ft5-5ft7.75 - just short
5ft8-5ft9.5 - under average, sometimes short. It depends
5ft9.5-5ft10.75 - true average, I think well-built 5ft10 guys will never get called short. I also think it's average in many countries like UK, USA, most of Slavic countries, Canada and so on. But in Spain and Italy I think average is 5ft8-5ft10 range.
5ft11-6ft - above average, I think it's a good height to be, sometimes you can seem kinda tall.
6ft-6ft1 - no matter what people say, I see 6ft as a start of tall. But real 6ft, not 5ft10 or 5ft11 guys who exaggerate their height.
6ft1.25-6ft2 - also tall but you can stand out
6ft3-6ft4 - very tall
6ft5 - you know I have a friend who is definitely 6ft5 and when we go somewhere, I never see guys taller than him. I see guys who are taller than 6ft5 maybe once a week. It's rare to see
You know I wouldn't refuse to be 6ft2, but it's max. Really I wouldn't want to be taller. But perfect height for me is 6ft Anonymous says on 29/Oct/09
James says on 25/Oct/09
This puzzles me a little. Okay my cousin who is a boy is about 15 and will be 16 in a few months and stands at around 5ft5 yet his mother is 5ft11 and his dad is 5ft8?
He'll probably grow more, he's only fifteen, he's still young. Boys stop growing at the age of 17 or 18, sometimes even at 19, 20 or 21. lummox says on 29/Oct/09
Mike, YOU are the one creating several different variations of "below average" and less categories for heights above the average. It is you who needs the dictionary. HINT: Average cannot be 2 numbers. HINT: Height is evenly distributed. Like I said, if you're going to create 60,000 different categories for every height below 5'10, you need to come up with the same for the heights above at an equal distance away. And yes, my statement still stands. The fact that your chart lists one inch under average "slightly below average" and doesn't have one inch above as "slightly above average" is typical of people who go out of their way to avoid calling themselves short, which you are. MD says on 29/Oct/09
Rob,
If you think Hugh's posts are excessive, there is a lot more that you can do to simply "wish" that he changes. He's not going to change until you alert him of the fact that he's spamming. You need to be more proactive, here, in my opinion. This constant laissez-faire "maybe I will, maybe I won't" updating and management aren't working, if you ask me. Lozzer says on 29/Oct/09
Bang out of bed I can now hit around the just over 5'9" range briefly. I stay around 5'8.5" for most of the morning and shrink to somewhere between that and 5'8" flat. Would you say I could claim 5'8.5".
I have also been called short by a 5'4" girl and a 5'2" kid. Maybe it's my build. I certainly don't look that short. I mean, come on, Simon Cowell is only like my height and he doesn't look short. I can tower loads of people with simple insoles. People estimate me at 5'10"-11" in big shoes aswell sometimes!
I still can't grow a beard as good as my dad, but have some stubble 2 days after shaving and I have grown almost a quarter inch in the last month!
Growth pattern:
12-13: < 5'2-3"
13.5-14: 5'5.5"
14: 5'6" or just under
14.5: 5'6.5"
15: 5'7.25"-7.5"
15.5: 5'7.75"-5'8"
16: 5'8"
16 and 4 months (now): 5'8-8.25"
Dad: Just Under 5'7", Mum same.
Grandad Dad's: 5'9-10" in his prime
Grandad Mum's: Just under 6' in his prime
Grandmother Dad's: 5'4" Prime
Grandmother Mum's: 5'6.5" Prime
Sister 4'8" age 10... 5'3" predict?
SLOWDOWN!!
Any comments? :) James says on 29/Oct/09
Jake I think the average height for an NBA basektball player is 6'7. JAK says on 29/Oct/09
Klem says on 28/Oct/09
I agree with Vibram that 5-10 is cutoff to look short in a group of YOUNG men. At 5-10 you will sometimes be the shortest in a group of men(for example students during break) but you won't stand out, 5-9 and under you will look short if others are 5-11.5+.
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Rubbish. I'm 19 years old and just over 5'11, living in the UK and attending University. 5'10 people are never short. Anything over 6'0 is tall. Most young men my age are 5'9.5 to 5'11.5, and calling anyone in that range short is just silly. Otherwise people 5'8 and below would be midgets. In that case, there are a lot of midgets walking the streets today. wood says on 29/Oct/09
Mike I agree with that. I knew I had grown when I was 6'1 because I was edging out most of the 'tall' guys at school. I think at 6'2 when you have put some distance between you and 6' that's when you should just stop complaining. Idealistically I'd say between 180-193 and you have no right to complain.
And if you are 188-193 you should just shut up. Boohoo you are 6'2 and a few people are an inch taller than you. God I sound hypocritical especially seen as I'll most likely clear 6'2 before I stop growing. Jake says on 29/Oct/09
5'7" and below is where men look feminine-like. It is pretty short.
5'8" It is unanimously short for men. Not too short though.
5'9" it sounds increasingly shorter (rather than medium) as humanity keeps growing in height. Ladies with high heels reach this height or easily get close which entirely takes away the 12 cm ideal height difference between men and women. So this height conception is on the change. More and more people think it is short rather than medium.
5'10"-5'11" This range falls for medium/average height especially in the western world. With narrow shoulders and slim body one can look tallish. Yet, averagely built person of this height rarely looks tallish.
6'-6'1" This range is where tall begins. There are fewer models of this height. It can't exactly be called attractive height. Yet, one enjoys being called tall.
6'2" This seems to be ideal height for majority of the people. Many male models are of this height and it for sure is attractive. The best part is one doesn't feel short among 6'3"-6'4" guys.
6'3" This is a new generation height. Models of this height draw more attention than the ones at 6f2. Yet, anything out of standart(overweight, narrow shoulders, skinny body) may look worse at this height. It is like having a large car. If you take care of it, it looks perfect. Nothing can be more gorgeous but if you don't, it may suck. Apparently, many male teens want to be 190cm (6'3") tall recently. It became an highly idealized height. It is not too tall any longer like it was 50 years ago. It is a cool height indeed!
6'4"-6'5" Still socially acceptable but deserves being called very tall. One with regular work-out can look great. Yet, some problems begin to arise. Being close to doorframes, having difficulty fitting into narrow places and finding a partner may be amongst possible difficulties.Josh Duhamel is close to 6'4" and he looks perfect. So if you are that gorgeous, partnering is no problem at all!;-)
6'6" + This is where height becomes gradually extreme. Life can become quite problematic unless if the person is an NBA player!;-) Jacob says on 29/Oct/09
I know this has nothing to do with height, but seriously, Vibram, why do you say everything like it is a generally accepted fact? It is clearly not a fact (maybe even a lie) and it doesn't hurt by adding a 'i think' to your comments. Mike says on 29/Oct/09
Lummox, please stop making silly assumptions and accusations, you're just making yourself sound like a fool.
I had to laugh at - "It's typical of people here who go out of their way to create BS categories such as "slightly below average" in order to avoid classing their own height as short."
Lummox, If this is really what you think, I suggest YOU go out and buy a dictionary (preferably a children's one, to keep in line with your aceademic standards) and look up the word, 'average'.
Surely, if someone falls slightly under the average height, they would be considered as 'slightly below average'? According to your philosophy they would immediately be classed as short? I'm 5'8.5, what would class me as, lummox?
@sprint84
Thanks for clearing up my height chart, I did get the categories slightly mixed up. I think it would have been more accurate if I had put 5'9.5 and then taken it from there! James says on 29/Oct/09
True UK guy and again its not that common to see loads of teenagers in the UK that are above 6'2. You will see the occasional 6'5 and very rarely 6'7 guy.
A lot of people laugh at 6'2 guys when they go around saying how god damn tall they are which is kinda stupid since 6'2 is a very solidly tall height for an 18-21 year old. Klem says on 29/Oct/09
and joe17 at 6-1 you are perfect height, guys has written here that once they reached a true 6-1 they started to feel comfortaby tall, i think there is a significant difference between 6 and 6-1, because there are many so called "over average" 5-11 to 6-0.5 guys but 6-1 edge them all out. mike says on 29/Oct/09
uk guy, what do you think will be ideal range in 30 years? uk guy says on 29/Oct/09
James 6"1 is a good height to be its the start of tall for younger people aswell as the average has increased 1cm which is not a lot to get noticed to be honest for 18 years old the ideal range would be from 5ft9 to 6ft2. Klem says on 29/Oct/09
The Truth says on 28/Oct/09
The average women wearing heeled shoes easily reaches 5'9?
The average women must be wearing 5-6 inch heels to make that statement actually true.
Young girls are 5-6 on average where I study, that was measured among all students so they easily reach 5-9 in 3 inch heals. Male students were measured 5-10.75(180cm) on average, which is basicly 5-11.
I agree that general population is shorter on average, but you should compare with your peers. anametoremember says on 29/Oct/09
people often forget themselves when analysing average height. e.g you might be 5'8 and in a room with a 5'10 guy and two 5'11 guys, and you would say 'average must be near 5'11'. actually, including yourself, it is probably closer to 5'9.5. it is usually the shorter guys not including their own height who claim high average heights joe17 says on 29/Oct/09
I want some of you to whip out a tape measure and actually get an idea of what 5'9 looks like. Then look at what 6'2 looks like.
Jake and Vibram (a couple of your posts, you seem to change your mind every other post) especially, you are either unbelievably naive or just incredibly deluded when it comes to heights. For a start, as a senior in high school in the UK around the london area, I can tell you now, that 5'9-5'10 is average. No taller. There are quite a few guys around 5'11.5, but then as whole year group of 110 guys, only 20 maybe are truly 6'. Only 3 are 6'3-6'4. The tallest guy in my school is 6'5, and is in the year below. He is taller than every teacher.
I play first team rugby and basketball. Again, the average height is maybe 5'11. At 6'1, and I mean a real 6'1. Not a 5'11 guy completely warping his height to a point in which he actually believes he is that tall, I am taller than most people. Anything over 6'2 is uncommon.
Jake, to say 6'3 isn't very tall is just quite frankly, stupid. I row, I go to regattas with fully grown male rowers. Rowers are big people. I can assure you now, that 6'3 even at those is very tall.
My point, ladies and gentlemen. Is that you really need to get your perspectives checked out. 6' is on the taller side. There are certainly more people around the 6' area nowadays. But a true 6' will still be referred to as 'tall' in most situations. 6'1/6'2 is tall. No argument. 6'3 and you will often be the tallest in most rooms.
Yes, even as one of these super freak new generation children. Anyone on this board who feels exceptionally short at 5'9 is not 5'9. Anyone who doesn't feel tall at a true 6' is not 6'. (Add an inch for these supposedly massive northern european countries, although again, from what I've seen I am not too sure it's any more than hype)
BlackWallStreet, I'd say 6'2-6'3. James says on 29/Oct/09
UK guy well I wen't to london a year ago and a lot of foreigen people are tall as well like over 6ft as well as whites.
UK so do you also think today 6ft1 would probably be the goal height 18 years olds wan't to reach or not? anametoremember says on 29/Oct/09
vibram, i agree. i was 175 cm for a while before i grew an inch last summer to 5'10. now when my sister's friends come over to my house before going out, wearing heals with me barefoot, i will edge them out by a fair amount and feel comfortable. at 175 cm, the difference wasn't as comfortable and i would find myself trying to keep a good posture all the time. to me, that inch makes a big difference so i'm grateful i grew it Ted says on 29/Oct/09
I have decided that it is fair enough to use your morning height, or close to it.
After all how many people can spot 1-1.5 cm difference in shoes, especially with posture. Therefore I claim 185 ( at most I am 186 or 6'1.25 morning, often closer to 185 if I haven't had much sleep, or doing heavy training.)
So I now claim 185 close enough to 6'1. Besides it makes you feel better about yourself, and if anyone questions it, too bad tell them to mind their own business.
Rather than say 184 ( afternoon / eveing height) or 6'0.5 inches, which is a silly half way height requiring unnecesary and time consuming explanation, that puts you on the back foot.
But its better thasn some people 5'10' 5'11 claiming 6'. MD says on 29/Oct/09
Rob,
So, what's up with this guy "Hugh 191cm", who come in and posts on people's pages only over 6'0", but not only that, but only posts five word sentences, offering absolutely nothing of value and worth to discussions? Shouldn't there be some kind of rule that if you're going to just randomly through out heights for individuals, that you be forced to offer some kind of reasoning behind it?
This guy literally posts five words at the most, and does it serially across 10 to 20 pages in one day. What it amounts to, Rob, is little more than simply spamming.
[Editor Rob: I think it is excessive, maybe hugh will figure or find some links showing someone a height they claim. That would be a bit more interesting.] Vibram says on 29/Oct/09
For late teenagers, twenties and thirties age ranges (men in their prime) who are either white or caribbean blacks I think the mentality, and words used against, reads like this:
5ft5 & below = "very short guy...tiny"
5ft6 & 5ft7 = "short guy"
5ft8 & 5ft9 = "kinda short"
5ft10 & 5ft11 = "average"
6ft = "above average or kinda tall"
6ft1-6ft3 = "tall"
6ft4+ = "very tall" Vibram says on 29/Oct/09
Yeah exactly Jake. The whole 5ft9 is short thing is because of women, their high heels, their tall man preferences and the night life. IF you take the regular 5ft5 girl put her in 3 or 4"" inch heels she's nearing the 5ft9 man... who'd be 5ft10.5 in good dress shoes. The 5ft9 man would be considered "too short" for her because women initially seek men a good 4-5" taller at least, so she's gonna be looker for Mr 6ft+, even though back in the normal daily working life a 5ft5 women and a 5ft9 man is a pretty good paring. Women seem to forget they are 5ft5. It's like a double life / double standard.
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sprint84 says on 28/Oct/09
@Vibram
"Things start getting bad at 176cm (5ft9.25) and below. You'll start feeling nervous..."
What kind of bogus psychology is that? Why would being 5'9" make someone feel nervous? Nervous about what?
>Reply:
Of course the 5ft9 men (5ft10.5 in dress shoes) are gonna feel short cos average women in heels are suddenly near their height, and any 5ft7 woman in heels is taller or equal to 5ft10.5, and other, taller men (6ft+) notice that too, so 5ft9 men seem to be closer to a womanish height than a "mans" height to all. That must make the 6ft man feel better if a 5ft9 man is a rival; be that women or jobs, he'll use the term "short" "runt" "little" etc if he feels threatend or jealous towards a 5ft9 man, words which would only usually be directed to men below 5ft7. A man thats 5ft10 is 5ft11.5 in dress shoes (near 6ft), so it's gonna take a 5ft8 women in heels to eclipse him. 5ft8 is a pretty rare/ tall height for women still, but not 5ft4 - 5ft7 women, who are in abundance (who in heels get to about 5ft8 - 5ft10.5 which easily equal 5ft9 men... or look it) Understand now why 5ft9 range men can feel uneasy, sprint84? Vibram says on 29/Oct/09
Yeah james i'd say so, 6ft is slightly above average for young men (18-40) in the UK as a whole. I still estimate 5ft10.25 (178cm) for the young of all backgrounds, and a little over 5ft11 (say 181cm) for university graduates in their early to mid 20s. In areas / east counties such as Norfolk 6ft would be average. Tyneside is also quite tall. Norwich had more over 6ft+ men then I ever saw when I stayed for a week back in 2005.
Wales is quite short. I didn't feel short in rural Wales at all this summer. The Truth says on 28/Oct/09
The average women wearing heeled shoes easily reaches 5'9?
The average women must be wearing 5-6 inch heels to make that statement actually true. Kristen says on 28/Oct/09
I don't understand one of the height charts. It lists 5'6 as short and 5'7 as average short. It lists 5'8 as below average. It lists 5'11 as above average. It lists 6'0 as average tall. It lists 6'1/6'2 as tall. What do the terms average short and average tall mean? Do they mean between average and short or tall? Do they mean the heights of most men who are considered short or tall?
BTW, 5'3 isn't short for a woman, Khris. Finchowned says on 28/Oct/09
Very interesting site this and some interesting comments below. I think people's perception of height is really interesting and what one person considers tall, another considers average.
I'm 6ft 5 myself and don't really feel that I stand out. There are occassions when people might look or stare a bit or say something stupid like 'Has anyone told you that you're tall?!' but in general I'm just another person a bit taller than average.
I think anything 6ft 6 and above is very tall. Average door frame in the UK is 6ft 6; most public transport (bus, trains etc) isn't geared up for people over 6ft 6 (or less tbh) and it'd be annoying as hell having to duck every time you enter a room.
It's good being tall, but whatever height you are, be happy with what you have :) James says on 28/Oct/09
Whats interesting is that some of my friends put on thier profile 6ft/medium on thier myspace pages. I think 6'0 is still a bit more than just medium range for 20 year olds in the UK. James says on 28/Oct/09
Jake says on 28/Oct/09
now that many people thinks 5'9" is not medium any longer but short-like, we should also upgrade 6'3" as just tall not very tall. Very tall starts at 6'4".
Jake would you agree with this for men
5'3 and below extremely short
5'4 short/very short
5'5 short/very short
5'6 short
5'7 short
5'8 average/short
5'9 average/short
5'10 average
5'11 above average
6'0 above average/tall
6'1 above average/tall
6'2 tall
6'3 tall
6'4 tall/very tall
6'5 tall/very tall
6'6 Extremely tall/giant
6'7 extremely tally/giant
6'8+ Gigantic
This might be a little bit inaccurate
6'8+Giant
lol this is probably slightly inaccurate but Finnian says on 28/Oct/09
At my college there are giant tall guys everywhere. It's like a 6'0" to 6'2" average here. I'm 6'0" and I feel below average height here. What the hell, The average is supposed to be 5'9", not 6'1"!I hate being towered over by these unnaturally tall guys. When I leave the campus the average height is like 5'8" or 5'9" and it's more normal.
5'10" is definitely not short. It's about average for 20 year old guys and an inch above average for all men. 5'6" and below is short(5'7" and below for male college students). Brian says on 28/Oct/09
I really need help, right now!
Got my physical today. Thought I was 6'3"-6'4", but the nurse just said "6 feet". I was shocked. I noticed that the stadiometer didn't extend all the way to the ground, as in it was just cut off at a certain point, so at first I thought maybe it wasn't set right. However, I needed to leave the room where I was being examined for a second, and I went back out into the hallway barefoot where I was measured. I looked at the stadiometer, and my eye level was almost at 72", only about an inch short (I have an average sized forehead). I then put a hand between the top of my head and the measuring stick, careful to keep my hand straight, and the hand indeed hit 6'3"-6'4".
And I've plenty other evidence that I'm above 6': I tower over friends who everyone agrees are 6', I'm taller than a teacher who says he's 6'2", several people have told me that I'm at least 6'2", I looked in a mirror and saw the top of my head rose higher than a line I measured at 191 cm, and I've actually bumped my head on a beam that I measured 6'2.5" off the ground.
So, who was it that royally screwed up, me or the nurse? uk guy says on 28/Oct/09
James yes in the 1960's -1970's the average was 173cm for the UK i believe as my nan and granddad told me 6"0 use to be a very tall and decent height and it use to stand out but now its above average and doesn't stand out. Klem says on 28/Oct/09
Tropico:
Some people here (we)are from Dutch land or whatever(==Dinaric Alps, Scandinavia) So don't be so ignorant. The Dutchguy says on 28/Oct/09
I think, and this is merely my opinion, that you can be tall, or even gigantic if you will, as a 5'5 guy; this is when you are walking amongst pigmee tribesmen, height is just a relative thing, for example, i am 6'4, and compared to the average height in Italy, wich is about 5'6-5'8 i believe, i am very tall, but if you'd compare my height to the Dutch average height, 6'0.5'' or the German, about 5'11.5 i believe, i am still tall, but not tóo tall, tallness is all just inside your head, between your ears. Tropico says on 28/Oct/09
My friend is 5ft10 and he has never looked short. It might be his slim build but he looks a solid average, and sometimes even looks on the taller side. That height would only be the cutoff for shortness if you're in Dutch land or whatever.
Some people on this site are getting carried away with this height thing it seems. Jake says on 28/Oct/09
now that many people thinks 5'9" is not medium any longer but short-like, we should also upgrade 6'3" as just tall not very tall. Very tall starts at 6'4". James says on 28/Oct/09
There was a time when 6ft was 4 inches above average. James says on 28/Oct/09
I think for the older generation like people in thier 40's I would imagine anything below 5'9 like 5'8 would be slightly on the shorter side. lummox says on 28/Oct/09
Mike, I understood your chart. It's typical of people here who go out of their way to create BS categories such as "slightly below average" in order to avoid classing their own height as short. Clearly, you have no idea what the word average means and I suggest you look it up in a dictionary. sprint84 says on 28/Oct/09
@Vibram
"Things start getting bad at 176cm (5ft9.25) and below. You'll start feeling nervous..."
What kind of bogus psychology is that? Why would being 5'9" make someone feel nervous? Nervous about what?
@Mike
It's still wrong. Height is evenly distributed, meaning that if you're going to say 5'9"-5'10" is average, then every inch above and below that range should have the same qualifier. Lummox's example makes sense; your response doesn't.
Here's what you should have posted:
5'4 and under = very, and noticebaly, short.
5'5/5'6 = short
5'7 = short average
5'8 = below average
5'9-5'10 = average
5'11 = above average
6'0 = tall average
6'1/6'2 = tall
6'3 and over = very, and noticeably, tall.
Categorical issues aside, you and UK Guy seem to have a more realistic look at height than some of these other posters. When some of these people say that 5'10" is the cutoff for "short", I have to laugh. 5'10" is average (or slightly above) -- it's as much the cutoff for "tall" as it is for "short". uk guy says on 28/Oct/09
some of the comments are insane on 5"10 being the cut off for short short starts below 5"8 not 5"10 , 5"10 is a very average solid height you should really never feel short some of the comments are crazy. Jake says on 28/Oct/09
5'9" is not medium any longer. Average women wearing heeled shoes easily reach 5-9 guys. If she happens to be slightly taller than average, she exceeds her 5-9 partners height. The ideal height difference between men and women is 12 cm's. So in that case the couple looks wierd. It is not sexy for sure. Assume Brad and Angelina of the same height when angelina puts on 8-10 cm shoes. They would never be called a sexy couple. 5'9" is a short-likely height. Medium height range is 5'10"-5'11" which is also the average. James says on 28/Oct/09
Vibram so you think 6ft might slightly above average for young people in the UK? Lmeister says on 28/Oct/09
Vibram you are right about the cut off between short and average. Actually in Western Europe the cut off is 177cm everything below that is short. I'm 172cm (5ft8ish) and I get called short often eventhough I see plenty of guys who are approximately the same height or shorter. Klem says on 28/Oct/09
I agree with Vibram that 5-10 is cutoff to look short in a group of YOUNG men. At 5-10 you will sometimes be the shortest in a group of men(for example students during break) but you won't stand out, 5-9 and under you will look short if others are 5-11.5+. Because the differnce will be over 5 cm which is noticable. At 5-10 you are taller than most women, but if they wear heels they easily reach 5-8 on average and from my own experince women sometimes think of men who are in fact still 2 inches taller like they are same height, not fair though:) So yeah under 5-10 is kind of short for todays standard even thoug its statisticaly average in most countrys, but among academic and business(IT) world is shorter. But its nothing wrong, you are just not seen as tall. True short for me is under 5-8, than you stand out. Paul says on 28/Oct/09
Dave, if you get to 5'10 you're only 2 inches under average? wtf?, once again someone saying 6' is average...sigh Vibram says on 28/Oct/09
James, it's 178.2cm (5ft10.1) for under 18-23 in uk. Thats for all races in that age range, not whites. And rememeber at 18 some ar enot 100% finished growing. I strongly believe it's 180cm for English white men under 25 - thats the expected norm on the University campus.
Thats why 175cm (flat 5ft9) is considered short amongst that age group cos it's a noticeable 5cm off the expected.
177cm is fine cos it looks like 178cm - there is really no difference. However, 176cm is more like 175cm (5ft9) than it is 178cm (5ft10)
I'm not some advocate to make 5ft9 (175cm) men feel uneasy. I speak the truth. I'm only 176cm so why would I cus myself? Vibram says on 28/Oct/09
Why do people say I'm retarded and attack me? Adult men start to be seen as short when they are 175cm (5ft9) and below, strongly think 176cm (5ft9.5) for under 30 year olds. When a man hit's 177 or 178cm (5ft10) he suddenly passes as average & fine.
So the cut off between short and average falls somewhere between 174cm - 177cm. You can't deny it, it's true. anametoremember says on 27/Oct/09
6'2 - always seen as standout tall in a group, will tower in a group of women or short men / 6' - in a group will look tall, stand out as officially 'tall' most of the time / 5'10 - in a group will look tall some of the time, will rarely look short as women will make you look taller, if you don't look tall you will look comfortably average, will only look 'short' if most others in the group are 6'1+ (unlikely in random situations) / 5'8 - will likely not be seen as the 'tall' one in a group, and will sometimes look short, can still pass as average height Dave says on 27/Oct/09
I dont really want this operation as it does sound like a long time to recover from but to be honest i cannot see myself being able to get through 75-80 years of life being the height i am it is just too much of a disadvantage in everyday situations and 5'10 would not be too bad if i could get too that, it would only be 2" below average. It really gets me down and has done for a long time now and i feel that it is time to get it fixed once and for all there is no point moaning as it changes nothing there is a solution but an extreme one if you like but extreme situations require extreme measures. I will try to get my hands on some steroids once i get out of hospital to help get back to my previous shape however getting legit gear is very difficult as 95% of it is fake, its a bitch as it should be legal anyway.
A lot of guys try to compensate for lack of height through other means such as bulking up, but muscle bulk does not make up for lack of height whatsoever so that is my advice to anyone on the board thinking of doing the same. However being shorter than average will bring its dangers people will be more prone to try to take you on or goad you into fights so it does help to have about 3 times the strength of the average man. Mike says on 27/Oct/09
lummox, let me make a slight tweak to my chart so you can understand it, as your brain does not seem to be able to process it as it is.
5'5 and under = very, and noticebaly, short.
5'6 = short
5'7 = short average
5'8 = below average
5'9-5'10 = average
5'11 = above average
6'0 = tall average
6'1/6'2 = tall
6'3 and over = very, and noticeably, tall.
Btw, good height chart, uk guy. Khris says on 27/Oct/09
Being short sucks no matter where you are at. I'm from the US and I'm 5'3. It really sucks but thankfully most girls aren't much taller than that so it isn't too bad. But still everyone notices and it is very annoying. Anyways I would say average height starts around 5'8 where I live. 186 cm says on 27/Oct/09
are people in the netherlands really that tall?185cm on average? |
