How tall is Sylvester Stallone

Sylvester Stallone's Height

5ft 8.5in (174 cm)

Peak height was 5ft 9in (175.3 cm)
American actor best known for The Rocky, Rambo and Expendable series, Cliffhanger, Demolition Man, Judge Dredd and Cobra. In a 1991 interview with Longevity magazine he said "I'm 5'10" and in a 1993 edition of the New York Times added a fraction, saying "I'm exactly 5 feet 10 1/2 inches", although he once pushed his luck in a 1978 Playboy article claiming to stand "Five feet ten and three quarters tall."

Cinema.com, on meeting him, said "Sly, shorter than you expect at 5-foot-eight", which he even mentioned himself: "I'm shorter and skinnier than you Expected". His footwear has always been a source of contention and in a 1990 Chicago Times article, the journalist mentioned "The real-life Rambo is an official 5 foot 10 1/2 inches tall, but that is with the generous boost of what can only be described as elevator shoes". Indeed, a specialist Italian shoemaker once commented that he "made him 4.5 inches taller for 16 years!". Sly's penchant for lifts dates back to the 1970's, with fellow actor Kevin Conway remarking that Sly was only 5ft 9 and "wears lifts all the time". Sly himself even joked about it once, when commenting upon the size of Rocky IV co-star Dolph Lundgren:"I'm fighting with elevator shoes on, this is ridiculous." There are definitely several tricks to looking taller, one of which was highlighted by Expendables 3 co-star Kelsey Grammar, who said Sly was a great guy, "Except when he changed the camera angle a little bit to make me look shorter."

In the screenwriter William Goldman's book 'About Lies Stars Tell', he offered his own estimation of Sly's stature, saying "I had a hot lead that Sly was 67 inches," revealing his source to be a jogger of similar stature to Sly. Goldman described how he ventured into a swimming pool that Sly was in...and 10 minutes later, "He got out, grabbed a towel. I got out, grabbed a towel. He stood. I stood. Sixty-seven inches. Dripping wet." That estimate is shared by Hulk Hogan, who casually called Sly "Five Six/Five Seven". An ex-partner of Sly - Supermodel Janice Dickenson - claimed in her book 'Everything about me is fake' that when Sly was trying to pick her up, she recalled "Who was this guy to go dissing me while he's standing there in his custom-made elevator shoes." and also that "I couldn't believe how short he was". Another actress, Melinda Dillon - from F.I.S.T - commented in The Chicago Tribune that "I'm taller than Sly and that bothers him and we kid about it so I take off my shoes in some scenes. I can't slouch or I wouldn't be Anna. She's very upright."

Fellow action stars have even chimed in on his hard-to-pin-down height, most notably Jean Claude Van Damme, who once said "I'm 5-foot-10, a good size for movies. If you're too big a guy, it's hard to find good villains. That's why Stallone always has good villains. He's short."

Sylvester Stallone is 5ft 9
Sly with brother Frank (who claimed 6ft 1)
Photo by PR Photos

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Average Guess (176 Votes)
Peak: 5ft 8.94in (175.1cm)
Current: 5ft 8.12in (173cm)
Barry Fl said on 15/Aug/17
I always thought hair transplants/plugs were pretty thin/patchy/bristly? Are they really that good these days or is Sly sporting a rug? His hair is amazingly thick, and his hairline way down on his forehead. He looks cartoonish. You can't help but wonder what he'd look like naturally these days... :-)
Rising - 174 cm said on 14/Aug/17
Milo Ventimiglia knew better than to try the Sly tricks he learned with the master himself! Click Here They're probably very close in height these days as neither is taller than 174 cm and neither much, if any shorter, but no way Sly was going to let his onscreen son one up him.

@burby: I did notice something in Cliffhanger that made it apparent he's had some procedures done since. Lebron's headband is hilarious. I think he's doubled up on them at times and pushed them higher and higher with each season. His former teammate Carlos Boozer was the worst. Boozer looked like he filled in hair with a sharpie or dunked his head in ink one of those seasons he played with the Bulls.
Pierre said on 14/Aug/17
@Rising=and Jean Claude seem taller than Jason Statham in your picture and shorter than him in mine...Curious no?
Rising - 174 cm said on 14/Aug/17
Since I was able to confirm footwear, Sly and Mel Gibson in '93 at the Planet Hollywood opening in London: Click Here Both were wearing black cowboy boots as I suspected. There are a few pics that show Sly's boots, mostly with Jennifer Flavin and in Mel's case, GettyImages has a short video of his entrance where you can see Mel's boots as well. I think there's very little difference, except when Sly has a clear camera advantage in the last pic or 2. Cowboy boots would typically cancel each other out since a 1.75" heel is typical, but it'd be almost impossible to see if one or both has an extra lift inside because of how much a cowboy boot conceals. Both somewhere near 5'9", imo, but I'd bet on under rather than over, but no less than 5'8.5" for either.

@Pierre: Yeah, but those boots Van Damme has probably add 1/4" or so more. It's really more that Dolph looks much shorter in some pics with people much shorter than himself. But yeah, Dolph has definitely shrunk more than most his age and is still shrinking. He was undoubtedly a legit 6'4" man in the 80s and 90s, but is 6'3" max nowadays.
Pierre said on 13/Aug/17
@Rising=Jean Claude had not the same shoes in yours pictures.It's maybe a reason why he look taller.But i agree Dolph can have lost height too.
Rising - 174 cm said on 12/Aug/17
@THE REAL ANNONYMOUS: I agree on all counts. It was more noticeable if you remember what Sly's hairline use to look like. Some do keep a pretty full head of hair and solid hairline as you mention. My father is like that, or Reagan as you mention. Judging by the photo Sly uploaded to instagram a few months back, I think he's actually in better shape than he's been in a few years. Still very cut and lean and carries himself much younger. Arnold definitely has more size to his arms recently, he looked pretty big for Sabotage and it's probably more difficult for him being much bigger as well as 8 years of reduced training in his 50s and 60s, heart problem etc. Fortunately, they still got some more action left in them. I agree on height as well and only think he's lost about 1 cm the last 5 years.

@loka: I can agree with 175 peak and 174 now, but I also don't think he looks taller than 174 at most these days, except for when he brings out his lifts. He does still look Statham's height so I'd give them both 174 and he does look it at multiple events with Weathers. I agree with your estimates for those shower scenes, but to play devil's advocate, those who argue Sly is less than 5'8" would say that since we can't see their feet and he is height conscious, they may have made him taller. It'd be tougher to do in The Specialist for obvious reasons and I do think Sly had to be very similar to Kurt and taller than Sharon, but it is possible as cameramen have long been paid for expertise in using advantageous angles. But there are now enough photos of Sly barefoot and without lifts to say there wasn't much difference with Flavin as of 2013 and you're right about Nielsen since she has no reason to lie and would know as well as anyone. Actually, Sly looked a consistent 5'10.5"-5'11" to me in lifts and seems to still pull off 5'10"-5'10.5" in lifts this year.

@Pierre: My point is mainly that Dolph is too much taller and his posture is too inconsistent to be a reliable reference for 5'8"-5'9" guys. In this photo, JCVD and Statham both look taller than Big Jay or Rob did with Dolph a few years later: Click Here And I have no doubt Dolph was taller in 2012 than 2015-2016. Just look at the photos with Hasselhoff from 2012. Rob got a photo with Hasselhoff the next year and he was still around 6'4". Dolph wasn't much shorter when he stood decently. Dolph is always taller these days when he stands with other tall men and aside from Hasselhoff, back in 2012, you could still see he's at least an inch taller than Terry Crews who Rob lists at 6'2.5" and most agree is at least 6'2", as you can see in this short video: Click Here And again in this video, while Dolph with worse posture is still much taller than a roughly 182 cm Arnold: Click Here Dolph's bad posture and big head can make him look shorter in some photos, especially with much shorter men as many slouch down for photos when they tower someone, but you can see on video, especially like these, he was still a minimum 6'3", but when Rob met him, he was 6'3" at the most, very possibly under. As for Dolph's age, he's not your average guy, but Arnold and Hulk Hogan also lost a lot of height by that age. As for Mario Lopez, he may very well wear lifts sometimes, I don't know, but I still think he's around 174 cm. As I said, Rob lists him 5'9". He's not 5'7" range. I think Van Damme at somewhere between 174-175 cm is fair for 2012.

@Brad: Tons of plugs, weaves, rugs etc. among actors and musicians. Kevin Dubrow and Don Dokken. Bret Michaels bandana is as obvious as those guys who always wear hats. Like NY lawyers who wear cowboy hats 24/7. Chuck Norris has had a particularly obvious rug for years, but I wouldn't tell him to his face. Marv Albert, like Howard Cosell before him. Travolta has sported some particularly bad ones. At one point, it even looked like he had that spray hair Ron Popeil used to pitch on TV. Al Pacino has a piece to fill in male pattern baldness. Jeremy Piven, Kevin Spacey, Brendan Fraser, Steve Carell..... Shatner had some of the worst in the 70s and 80s, but his one now is better. CelebRugs would be a fun site. I'm pretty sure Glenn did know Levi. I have a friend who was in that line of work some years back, who I believe knew him as well.
burby said on 12/Aug/17
You can actually see Sly's bald spot in Cliffhanger. Yeah, he had plugs. Travolta without the wig is Homer Simpson action. Hmm, I wonder why LeBron James has that headband so high, yet he does that Trainwreck movie and his hair is perfect?
THE REAL ANNONYMOUS said on 11/Aug/17
I think Sly prolly wore the rug while his hair transplant was growing in. It was quite noticeable at times.
It was a succesful transplant as it all grew in really well but its far to low for somebody his age... although there
are men out that have a natural hairline that low.. Ronald Regan comes to mind.
He looks in incredible shape. I mean he should as he is doing everything he can to do so.
The last few years Arnold has gotten into better shape and im sure its motivating Sly to keep at it!

lol how tall is Sly anyway???? Under 5'8 is impossible!!! 5'8.5-5'9 is very likely
loka said on 11/Aug/17
I wouldn't go under a good 174 cm today. If Sly was 175 cm peak and everything goes in that direction.

- Nielsen statements,
- Comparisons barefeet with Flavin,
- Same height in the shower scene than Kurt Russel in Tango and Cash,
- 2 cm taller than Sharon stone in the shower scene of The Specialist.
- Same height or close than the 5.9 Serena Williams.
- Same height than Rob (strong 5.8) if not 1 cm taller (when we compare Sly with Carl Weathers and Rob with Carl weathers).
- He can easily look 5.10 with special shoes.
Brad said on 11/Aug/17
Stallone a rug? Can't say I've ever seen one on him. Plugs possibly. David Lee Roth is the king of everything hair. Total wig '86, extensions and weaves all the time. Hagar called him "3 piece" after his attached stuff in three places. Travolta has wig action. Bret Michaels has to wear bandanas and hats to hide his weave-extension mess. Guy emailed me a long time NYC autograph collector passed away, a guy with thousands of hours of wait time for years. He didn't have his name til the next day. Some guy named Levi. I wonder if the G knew Levi.
Pierre said on 11/Aug/17
@Rising=you take for example Mario Lopez who isn't in pictures next to Rob and Big Jay,then your example is a little random imo,we don't know his real height .In addition Mario can wear maybe lifts sometimes( i have post you a example of shoes which are looking discreet but give you lot's of height-pictures+video in Brad's page,have you see the video 10/Aug/17? ) .I don't know how many height Dolph would have lost this 3 years(Dolph isn't very old he's 59 years this days), for me, in the pictures i posted,JC Vandamme look really shorter than Big Rob or Big Jay next to Dolph imo.You gauge James Corden's height next to others celebrities(Matt Damon,Justin Bieber...)but we don't know really their heights= Samuel Anderson is in a picture with Rob who is a strong 5"8'= Click Here .James Corden on tiptoe is looking max the same height as Rob next to Samuel Anderson (who is more in a relaxed posture next to James imo)= Click Here =i think i can doubt James is really 5"8' barefoot.(And then i can doubt Gwyneth is really 5"9'barefoot when she's next to James Corden).
Rising - 174 cm said on 10/Aug/17
@Pierre, Jean-Claude was taller than Mario Lopez in 2 separate video interviews at the time of Expendables 2. Here's a still from each and photos of the shoes he wore for each: Click Here If you need to see the original videos, I can post those as well. I have Mario at 5'8.5" rather than the 5'9" Rob gives him, but that would still make JCVD 5'8.75" minimum. If he's 172 then Mario is 5'7.5" max. Van Damme was at least as tall as Statham, who may be 174 cm, but no shorter. Incidentally, Statham has also looked taller than Lopez.

Dolph was taller in 2012 than he was in 2015 and he slouches too much in some photos with much shorter men to say how tall he's standing. When Dolph stood better, he was still almost as tall as 6'4" David Hasselhoff: Click Here And those photos with Hasselhoff were a few months AFTER those Expendables 2 premieres with JCVD and Statham. Dolph is 6'3" max now, but he was still 6'3" minimum in 2012. I'd say probably 191 cm in 2012, but 190 cm more recently with Big Jay and Rob, but looking shorter due to posture in the videos.

It's best to compare people closer in height. Statham and Mario Lopez were closer to Van Damme's height so I would say it confirms him at roughly 5'8.75". Here's 3 full pics of Sly and Van Damme with the dress shoes I showed in the close up: Click Here Sly is no shorter and he's not even forcing his posture. Therefor I think Sly was still at his peak height of 174.5 to 175 cm in 2012.

But if you like these comparisons, check out this one with Weathers recently: Click Here Rob said he couldn't see any less than 173 minimum there for Sly and possibly 174. I'm inclined to agree and give Sly 173.5 to 174 cm these days, down 1 cm or so from peak. Lately, I'm leaning more towards 174 today as he looked as tall as Statham recently on video with dress shoes that didn't look to give any more than the boot Statham was wearing. Weathers is 184 cm minimum and looks about 184 with Rob and Sly, but standing tall with Philip Winchester, who Rob also lists at 6'1", Carl still looked as tall as Philip this year as you can see in these 4 full photos: Click Here

Basically, you have to start downgrading everyone to put Stallone and Van Damme less than 5'8". As it is, I think Rob has Mario Lopez 1 cm too high, but he does not have Mario 1.5" too high. Mario cannot be less than 5'8" himself and in fact, Mario was taller than James Corden in 2 separate videos himself. Rob has Corden at 5'8.25". I wouldn't put Corden less than a solid 173 or 5'8"-5'8.25" himself seeing him with Matt Damon, Gynweth Paltrow and Justin Bieber. Rob's current and peak listings for Stallone are very fair, imo.
Rising - 174 cm said on 10/Aug/17
@Brad: Probably a hair transplant and a rug at times. Unfortunately, as someone who thinks Sly has always looked cool, the hair the past couple years isn't a good look. The hair line is too far, a mistake Mel Gibson and especially Steven Seagal have made as well. But as for whatever he's taking, I'm sure he knows what he's doing at this point. Those things affect everyone differently, but I think Sly is probably smart with what he takes now. Maybe not as much in the 80s during the Rambo 3 days. He did a lot of unhealthy stuff in those days like overtraining, or starving himself before Rocky 3 to get as lean as possible before putting on muscle slowly so it's not a leap to imagine him taking some stronger things. So at times he was more focused on a goal than overall health back then. I think he's smarter these days, though. Genetics play a big role. Mark McGwire looked terrible when he came back as a hitting coach and I think he was just 46 at the time, meanwhile, his former Bash Brother Canseco looked great the last time I saw....which was selling testosterone on a late night commercial! But then I have a friend not even 50 who took that stuff for a decade when he trained competitively and he has a bad heart. Another friend who was a competitive body builder and died before age 30.
James B said on 10/Aug/17
Rob is he not over 5ft8 now?
Editor Rob: he is looking more 5ft 8 flat at times.
Brad said on 9/Aug/17
Any hair plugs? I'd think spiking/eating super scripted stuff, illegal or not and steroids for years might catch up to him.
Pierre said on 9/Aug/17
@Rising=Comparisons Sylvester/Jean Claude(Van damme)=now comparisons Jean Claude and 171/172 Big Jay or 173 Big Rob next to Dolph =
Click Here Click Here Click Here =I doubt Jean Claude is 5"9' range or even 5"8'
Rising - 174 cm said on 9/Aug/17
@loka: I appreciate your posts, but a woman saying her husband is 5'8" doesn't necessarily make it so. In fact, when Brigitte Nielsen was actually married to Sly 30 years ago, she said he was 5'10"-5'10.5", but as you know, more recently, she's revealed he was an inch and a half shorter at 174-175 cm. That woman's husband must claim 5'8", but that woman either isn't accurate judging height or it's possible she says her husband is 5'8" because he's height conscious. Impossible to know. Sly is at least 3 inches taller than that guy so even if Sly has big lifts, that guy might be 5'7", maybe 5'7.5" tops. I will say Sly doesn't look short at all in that photo comparing him to the woman and her husband, but we'd have to see what he has on his feet. I think Sly cut down on wearing lifts to events because dress shoes go better with a suit than Hogan sneakers or elevator boots. Just look at how much attention Robert Downey Jr. draws to his sneakers when he wears them with a suit.

@andre: Incorrect. Just look at the Tango and Cash scene I posted, or more recently offscreen: Click Here Click Here That would make Randy Couture only about 178 cm in those shoes. In reality, Couture will be more 183 cm or so in shoes.
Rising - 174 cm said on 8/Aug/17
Btw, this sitting shot of the Expendables 2 cast is an example of why I think Sly has gone liftless quite a bit in recent years: Click Here I think it's fair to make an educated guess on shoes when you can see where the ankle is, particularly in a sitting shot. He was definitely no shorter than Van Damme in that footwear and if anything, looked to edge him, which is one reason I can't quite decide between 174.5 and a full 175 cm.

@Brad: Sly is in incredible shape, but he has shown some of his age in other ways for years. He looked significantly younger than he was in his late 30s/early 40s, though and even up until his 50s.
loka said on 8/Aug/17
Parker : no... There is a video also about this meeting between fans and Sly. They say in this video that they are surprised to see that Sly is Tall. I asked the girl and she said his husband is 5.8 and so Sly looked like a good 5.10.

With lifts on, he is probably back to 5.9.

I've seen other pics or video taken by paparazzis where Sly looks more like a 5.8 guy...

Very strange... We will never know.
andre said on 8/Aug/17
stallone was 174cm with shoes prime and now 173cm his lifts make him 178 cm
Pierre said on 8/Aug/17
@Oka=
Maybe your friend has been measured a long time ago no?(and maybe then has lost a little height since the last measure?).
Brad said on 7/Aug/17
The guy on the right is 5' 6".Sly has some customs on. Sly looks tired and older but in shape.
Rising - 174 cm said on 7/Aug/17
Imo, the shower scene and the possible barefoot scene from Tango and Cash get too much attention when this scene is more noteworthy: Click Here

There you have a wide shot with Sly pulling off at least 1.5"-2" taller than Kurt Russell. Lifts are a given, but even with huge lifts Sly had to be similar height to Russell to pull that off. Both were about 5'9", imo and within 1 cm max of each other peak. If Sly was 5'8.75" as I think was possibly most likely then I'd give Kurt a flat 5'9" max or if Sly was 175 cm, which I think was equally possible, then I'd give Kurt 176 cm max. Between that scene and the beginning with Geoffrey Lewis, Sly could pull off 5'11" at times in that film. If Sly was only 5'8.5" peak as is also possible, imo, then I'd give Kurt a weak 5'9" range max.

But I'd caution against comparing Sly to random people whose height we can't scrutinize. He's enigmatic enough when even comparing to people Rob met.
Rising - 174 cm said on 7/Aug/17
@Frankie: I'm not stupid, some of your comments have clearly been meant to refer to me. And no, I don't get into personal insults. If you'd like for us both to keep things more friendly then great, I have no problem with that. He could be as short as 5'8" flat these days, I've repeatedly stated that possibility since Creed was released.

@loka: Sly has a good 3-4 inches or so on that guy depending on the cap and posture, so I don't think that guy could be 5'8". Sly can still appear up to 5'10.5" in lifts based on what I've seen with his brother and Michael Rooker this year, but then that guy still wouldn't be 5'8".
Frankie68 said on 7/Aug/17
@parker I agree with you 100%
Parker said on 7/Aug/17
oka said on 6/Aug/17
The Guy on the right is 5 ft 8. Try to figure how sly appears so tall now...

Sly is either in lifts or the guy on the right is 5'6 and not 5'8.
Frankie68 said on 7/Aug/17
@rising, I never mention you or anyone in here by name if i dont agree with someones comments but I cant say the same for you. And obviously you take everything I say as a direct comment towards you , which is very weird since I never mention you or anyone else . But since you bash me all the time I guess you can say you got what was coming to you . And for the record I believe what I believe & you believe what you believe. It wouldnt surprise me if Stallone is under 5'8 & it wouldnt surprise me if he was 5'8 givin the footwear he wears . I hope those were coherent sentences for you .
Rising - 174 cm said on 6/Aug/17
@Rob: I think he might during the height of his lift wearing where he never appeared without noticeably thick shoes, but I think it's more likely if you see him looking 5'10" or 5'11" on the golf course, with chest out etc. Sly has looked shorter on the golf course, check out these 3 pics: Click Here If James Caan stands as straight, he'd be about the same height as Sly. But look at Sly on Las Vegas and you'll see him noticeably taller than Caan. These photos were a year after the ones with Nicholson and Hopper. Wahlberg is predictably shorter than Sly and Caan because he is. But "who knows!" is right.

@Frankie: Talk about projection. The funny thing is, I only started posting here regularly again early this year having not posted much for a long time before, yet Sly's height listing did not change in this time so I really have nothing to prove. You're the one who is WAY off from both Rob's listing and the average guesses so most pretty much agree that Sly was somewhere from 5'8.5" to 5'9" peak and is somewhere from 5'8" to 5'8.5" now. It would be too easy for me to trade insults with you so I'll refrain except to dispense some helpful advice: Before you tell anyone to get help, why don't you get some help composing coherent sentences.
loka said on 6/Aug/17
The Guy on the right is 5 ft 8. Try to figure how sly appears so tall now...

Pic taken last week.

Click Here
Rising - 174 cm said on 6/Aug/17
@Brad: Gazzara beat both the Greek and the young Italian Stallion. Dean Martin also at least beat or matched Kojak in Battle of the Big Shoes '74.

But there's no actual evidence he had anything in his golf shoes that day. I think there's a much better chance other occasions, especially later on when Sly never appeared without lifts and looked taller, probably around 2005-2006. But in 2002, when he was still appearing liftless with his wife in heels a year later? Nah. Doesn't make sense he'd do so to appear with middle aged Jack Nicholson and Dennis Hopper. At least Brad is only say he thinks, unlike someone who never supports any statement of theirs and shares a name with Sly's brother and father....
Editor Rob: I know Dons has said he's made elevator shoes for golf players, but whether sly would wear them on course who knows!
Frankie68 said on 5/Aug/17
There are some in this forum that need therapy when it comes to Stallone,, like its some crazy obsession to prove his height or to prove there right & your wrong !! Get help my friend !! Get help !! These Stallone height rants are borderline psychotic !! Do you dream about him !!
Rising - 174 cm said on 5/Aug/17
Jack only 5'8" at 65? How tall do you think he was at his peak? If he was 5'9.5" peak there's no way he lost 1.5" by 65. Sly is leaning into the first pic slightly, not quite effect there. Jack could look 5'9" as late as age 70 during events for The Bucket List and The Departed and there's no proof he was a lift wearer like Stallone and Douglas. I'm not saying Jack was still that tall, but I am saying 5'8.5" is pretty fair for 2002. I believe Hopper was 5'7" at that time. Rob gives him 5'8" peak, though I'm not sure he was ever that tall. He certainly wasn't the 5'8.5" he claimed, but I doubt he was 5'6" in his mid 60s.
Brad said on 5/Aug/17
I think Sly has a pad of rubbah in the golf shoes. He loves to be taller. Telly tuggin on his cheek looking at Sly's '75 cycle boots "nobody beats the greek my italian New Yawk friend, who loves ya baby?".
Frankie68 said on 5/Aug/17
@burby ,, sly def has loaded golf shoes on..
Brad said on 4/Aug/17
Is Hopper really 5' 7"? Both are leaning on one shoe.
Rising - 174 cm said on 4/Aug/17
Sly's golf shoes look no bulkier than Hopper or Douglas and Douglas was a big lift wearer himself. Sly only looks 5'9.25"-5'9.5" there and has the advantage, except for ground/tilt. Now in this one, Sly is slouching a bit himself and bending his knees while Hopper now has the advantages and you can see Sly now looks no more than a weak 5'9": Click Here I'd say he looks 5'8.75" there. In 2002, Sly was still wearing normal shoes at times. Even a year later in 2003, you can see Sly in normal dress shoes looking at least 1.5" shorter than Jennifer in heels at an event: Click Here

We caught Jennifer before she slouched in the first pic. You can see her drop height in the next two. And in the last 2 pics, I show what Sly looked like in lifts with Jennifer in heels a month before. Incidentally, a 5'7"-5'8" man would look much shorter than a 5'9" woman in heels. Sly looks about 178 cm in maybe 3 cm dress shoes or at least 2.5 cm minimum.

And here's what Sly looked like in lifts with Hopper 3 1/2 to 4 years later: Click Here

@loka: Thanks, I guess I misunderstood then. Yeah, you can often get a better idea of how tall these stars really are in their early career.

@Barry Fl: I don't think Arnold really inflated his height so much as he rounded up. As for Dolph, it depends on what claim we're talking about. Dolph certainly wasn't the 6'6" he claimed in the 80s, nor 6'5.5" except in shoes. He did also claim 195 cm around that same time, which I think is the tallest he could have possibly been, but he could have also been 193 cm minimum. I'm curious which end of that range Dolph is in and as for Arnold, you know how controversial his height is so it'd be good to hear Brigitte's take since I believe Sly was 174.5 to 175 cm and Eddie Murphy 176 cm or possibly 5'9" flat making her spot on. Of course, since she had an affair with Arnold, she'd be in a very good position to judge Arnold's height, much like Sly. As I mentioned on Brigitte's page, if you consider Sigourney Weaver also said Mel Gibson was 5'9", which I also believe is spot on or at worst, rounded up a fraction, these very tall actresses seem to have a very good perception of height. Now all we need is for Geena Davis to settle the Brad Pitt debate!
burby said on 4/Aug/17
If full "Stallone effect" with a no more than 5'8" Jack Nicholson. Hmm...maybe Sly has a little sumthin' sumthin' in those golf shoes?
Barry Fl said on 4/Aug/17
Brad said on 3/Aug/17
Those golf shots are strange...he owns a 5' 7" Hopper easy...3".

He's definitely taller, but do you not think if Hopper stood up a little straighter then the difference wouldn't look quite so much?
Barry Fl said on 4/Aug/17
loka said on 3/Aug/17
No Rising : i agree with you. 175 cm is the most rational guess. But Sometimes, like this recent cas where he meets a fan, he seems taller (5.10). Check my other post to see the case.

I'd struggle to believe Sly was 5'10 back in the 80s, let alone now. I really don't think he's lost much height over the years (and far too often seems to gain it magically). But he's a tricky one to pin down all right.
Brad said on 3/Aug/17
Those golf shots are strange...he owns a 5' 7" Hopper easy...3".
Grey said on 3/Aug/17
Accurate
loka said on 3/Aug/17
No Rising : i agree with you. 175 cm is the most rational guess. But Sometimes, like this recent cas where he meets a fan, he seems taller (5.10). Check my other post to see the case.
Barry Fl said on 3/Aug/17
Rising - 174 cm said on 2/Aug/17
In fact, I want someone to ask her how tall Arnold and Dolph were back in the 80s.

I think chances are good that Brigette would have spoken up if she'd thought height claims for either of those two were overly exaggerated. But yes, would certainly be interesting to know.
Rising - 174 cm said on 2/Aug/17
You know Frankie's case is nonexistent when you have to grasp at someone who isn't even one of the main heights referenced in front of a height chart that may very well not even be real as movies and tv shows often build their own sets rather than film in a real police department. Brigitte is most useful for telling us Sly - a man she lived with for 2-3 years and filmed 2 movies with - is 174-175 cm, which is also where the evidence points. She's by far our best reference, as I just told loka who was arguing from the opposite side. She also tells us Eddie Murphy is 5'9"-5'9.5", which I'm sure most would agree can't be far wrong suggesting she has a good perception of height. In fact, I want someone to ask her how tall Arnold and Dolph were back in the 80s. It'd be superfluous to argue Brigitte's height at this moment, but I wanted to make the point about people assuming movie height charts are accurate, as I have on other pages. I really don't consider them as it'd be conjecture without knowing about that specific chart. Of course, it's also superfluous to argue with Frankie, but regrettably, I make that mistake from time to time.
Pierre said on 2/Aug/17
@Parker=what you do not understand?
Rising - 174 cm said on 2/Aug/17
@Pierre: There are plenty of photos where you can see their feet:

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Granted, you can't see their feet in the last 2, but I can show you they were barefoot. But that's 5 pics of them total, 3 where you can see their entire bodies in the shot. Most are from 2013, but one of those days could have been from 2012. There's not an inch between them in any of the pics and either of them can look taller depending on the picture and posture. If she's 5'9" then Sly was not less than 5'8.5"-5'8.75" in 2013.

Here's a full shot of Sly in golf shoes with an actual 5'7" man Dennis Hopper: Click Here
And a series of pics the same day with 65 year old Jack Nicholson: Click Here
A series of full pic of Stallone with a 60 year old Michael Douglas: Click Here

Can we agree on about 5'8.5" for Jack in 2002 and Michael Douglas in 2004? I've posted a mountain of evidence to support Rob's estimates being bang on, or maybe 1/4" high. Sly hasn't shrunk much either. If you see him with Michael Douglas recently, the height difference between them looks greater: Click Here because Sly has only lost about half an inch, while Douglas has probably lost an inch since 2004. It's not a full pic, so what I say always applies about taking them with a grain of salt, but remove the tilt and Sly is at least an inch taller, while I'd put the difference less in 2004. That photo does add up with their appearances around the same time a few years ago as Sly was slightly taller than Norton while Michael was a good inch shorter. Now when Michael was at his peak, I'd guess he was probably as tall as Sly. Jack could have been taller than both as I still think he could have been 5'9.5", but it's possible he was just a 5'9" flat guy himself.
Parker said on 2/Aug/17
Pierre said on 1/Aug/17
Comparisons Sylvester/Brigitte Nielsen =Click Here =Brigitte nielsen in shoes =seem a little under 6"0' by this scale no?

Don't quite understand your point?
Frankie68 said on 2/Aug/17
@pierre ,, nice pic ... cant wait to hear from the expert in this forum say she lost height !! She's appears to be in a modest women shoe of 2 inches ,, def not 1 inch ,,but not 3-4 inch either to be fair..cant wait to laugh at the 10 paragraph essay about this pic..
Rising - 174 cm said on 2/Aug/17
@loka: I use to think Sly was a solid 5'10" too, but there have been times where he simply hasn't looked close to it. I think you're making the same mistake as with Mel Gibson and not giving enough weight to his early roles. Look at my recent post with the stills of Sly and Ben Gazzara, who admitted he was barely 5'10" back then himself. You can also watch Paradise Alley and I believe you'll see Sly seems slightly shorter than Armand Assante overall and Rob lists Assante at 5'9.5". Sly also looked more 5'9" than 5'10" in Cop Land when he didn't wear lifts. Also, as you've mentioned, Brigitte Nielsen has said 175 cm and 174-175 cm, so don't you think she'd know Sly's height pretty well? Imo, the strongest case is that he was close to 5'9" until the last few years. I have to disagree with being 5'9" today as well. I think he's 174, but he can still pass for 5'9" at times with his good posture.

Here is Sly and 5'11.5" Arnold at the 2013 Golden Globes:
Video: Click Here
Full photo: Click Here

I don't see Sly having lost much by that point since with Arnold 182 cm, he actually passes for about 176 cm with his good posture and possibly as tall as 5'9.5" at times. Of course, that's because Arnold doesn't hold himself like Sly nowadays, but Sly was still closer to 5'9" than 5'8" 4 years ago.

Creed premiere video: Click Here He's definitely still looking like a 5'8.5" guy with 6'1" Carl Weathers and with Michael B. Jordan, who definitely doesn't look less than the 5'10.5" Rob gives him next to Carl. Though Jordan looked to have more of a dress boot, so he may have had slightly more footwear than the other two.

Now for tall Sly, he pulls off about 5'11" with 5'9.5" Geoffrey Lewis in the beginning of Tango and Cash: Click Here Of course, you see the 2" minimum heels on Sly's boots at 2:10 and you understand how, but even so, all this shows that while he's not taller than 5'9" peak and 5'8.5" today, 5'7" is trolling. Lewis can't be far from 5'9.5" either as he was clearly taller than Mel Gibson in The Man Without a Face in '93 and the film version of Maverick in '94.
Pierre said on 1/Aug/17
Comparisons Sylvester/Brigitte Nielsen =Click Here =Brigitte nielsen in shoes =seem a little under 6"0' by this scale no?
Pierre said on 1/Aug/17
Click Here = Young Sylvester and Jennifer Flavin listed 5"9',sorry we can not see the feets
Brad said on 1/Aug/17
5-8 with the standards with wife. He always surrounds himself with bodyguards of the non 6 foot variety..mostly older Italian guys at 5' 7" or Chuck Zito a hair taller. Why bodyguards for Sly? Simple, there is a legendary tale of him whoopin in a restaurant kitchen that had high 6 figures mentioned. Let the bodyguards whoop, but then Prince and Elvis got pounded financially that way anyway. The late Sonny West cost E a lot and was let go in '76, Red too. Both died in '17. All those E guys, Joe,Sonny,Lamar,Red etc died hurting financially. There's a phone call with E that Red made tellin E he was in bad shape in the coin dept.. I can't remember Danimal getting pounded by the G on 5-8 claims. He always was over 5-8 back in the day...not by much. Jennifer has been 5-9 for decades.
Rising - 174 cm said on 1/Aug/17
He was a weak 5'9" until the last few years. He has lost height, but not much at all. Still 5'8.5" today or 5'8.25" at worst. Breuer is taller, but not that much taller. It's tough to put a precise figure on it because of how he's going up and down, back and forth, but Sly is a bit taller than Morgan there. You can see this when it's just the 2 of them on screen. It's not impossible they were the same height and Sly had thicker shoes, but he was wearing pretty normal shoes around that time as that was when he did Cop Land as well.

Btw, here's another pic of Sly without lifts with his wife. It's from 2013: Click Here

You can see with Sly not wearing socks where his ankle is and he doesn't have an extra insole. His sneakers do give him a clear advantage over her sandals, but that's why he looks a bit taller. You can also see what the barefoot photo from the same year showed - Sly's legs aren't that short.

@loka: He can still look over 5'10", like at the Guardians of the Galaxy premiere or with Michael Rooker, but that's when he wears lifts again. You can tell Sly loved her for saying that, though! I think seeing him with normal shoes, 174 cm is still fair. 175 peak. Anything under 5'8" is absolutely baseless, even today. He's really not short, just shorter than some expect, but now people have heard the short rumors for decades so inevitably some will be surprised he's taller than some make it sound. Like this lady who met him during Rocky Balboa and estimated him at 5'10" to 6 feet: Click Here Obviously he'd be wearing lifts, but she claims to be 5'1"-5'2" and in "4 inch" heels, which of course, don't actually add 4", but closer to 3". However, she does still look a good 8" or so shorter in the photo as she's below his mouth, fwiw. That was probably an occasion he was around 6 feet in his elevators, so passing for 5'11" as she'd be 5'4.5"-5'5" in heels. I'm sure people have the same reaction to Tom Cruise because while Cruise is shorter than Stallone, the short rumors with him are even more intense. Rod Stewart will probably be the biggest surprise to people reading the UK rags.
loka said on 1/Aug/17
I honestly think that we are all wrong... Sly seems to be a good 5.9 even now. Check my last post here under about the video of a fan meeting sly and joking with him about his height. He looks like a 178 cm guy there... Even with lifts inside, he can't go under 5.9 flat. Someone will be able to explain yo me why he didn't put lifts next to 6 ft 1 Carl Weathers at the Golden Globe and why he would put them when he just goes out in a Café. The girl in question is 100 % sure : he looked 5.10. Her husband is 5.8. It's visible on the video she posted and on the photos she posted too that she doesn't lie and that it is exactly what he seem to be. (Very cool Sly whith his fans, by the way). Check the Instagram account : nancydion61268.
Danimal said on 1/Aug/17
Sly was a legit 5'8" guy BAREFOOT who is now in his early 70's and has lost height inevitably.
Richardspain said on 31/Jul/17
Between 175-176cm barefoot and when he was young but I still think he was a strong 176cm.

Nowadays strong 173cm


Not more than 176cm peak but not less than 173cm today

Nothing to discuss. Where's the problem?
Derek nj said on 30/Jul/17
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Was looking at Sly's 1997 SNL skits. Here he is with 5'10 listed Jim Breuer and 5'8.5 listed Tracey Morgan. SNL is a very faced pace live show and I doubt he would have had time to shove lift in his shoes with every different outfit they provided him. In this scene in particular he looks indentical in height with Morgan and 1.5 - 2 inches shorter than 5'10 Breuer. Breuer even calls Sly a shorty at one point and says he thought he'd be bigger. It's possible Sly was 5'9 during his peak (unlikely) and definitely was under that in 1997.
loka said on 29/Jul/17
Intersting : go to the Instagram count : nancydion61268. She just met sly and she filmed this. She says LIVE and with Sly that she's surprised how tall he is. Sly is joking about that. I asked her how tall she think he is... She said at least 5.10 because his husband was smaller and is 5.8...
Rising - 174 cm said on 29/Jul/17
Here's footage of Sly and Carl Weathers at the 2016 Santa Barbara Film Festival: Click Here (You get a better comparison around 16:02)
Back to back photo: Click Here
Shoes: Click Here Click Here Click Here Click Here When you see the side view, Sly's shoes seem completely flat: Click Here

I see about 4" in the video, maybe 4.5" tops between them. Carl is still about 6'1" or at worst, he'd be 6'0.5". Sly still looks 174 cm when he appears with Carl.

You see Sly and Carl Weathers briefly posing together again in this video: Click Here but more interesting is you see Sly's wife Jennifer Flavin and Carl talking around 0:15, which provides a rare chance to judge her height against somebody other than Sly. I think she still looks tall considering Carl will be near 6'2" in shoes. As I posted a while back, she also seemed tall with a legit 6' John Travolta back in 1997. I've not seen much reason to doubt she's at least 5'9".

I did notice that Sly's shoes from about late 2014 or 2015 through 2016/early 2017 at times seemed even thinner with less of a heel than the dress shoes he was wearing during the Expendables films. Probably a 1/4" less at times, but I first noticed this with this pic from late last year: Click Here and the pics with Serena Williams: Click Here On some of these occasions, he may have been wearing a 0.8" type dress shoe as opposed to 1"-1.1". This may have made a relatively minor height loss seem greater.

@Brad: So then schedules and commitments may have stopped both Selleck and DJ from making the leap to movie stars. That would have been more successful I'm sure then the stuff DJ ended up doing years later like Dead Bang and The Hot Spot, though Dead Bang was decent for a B action film, but tese also came right at the end of Miami Vice. Less interest in 1990 than '85. Gotta strike while the iron is hot. I can't imagine there wouldn't have been big interest in '85. Even the Colin Farrell/Jamie Foxx one opened at no. 1 20 years later. I think DJ was probably still a bit height conscious at that time as he got the old 2 inch rule with 5'11" listings, but his look worked well, including those slipper shoes. Less reason to be conscious when you star with Olmos, who was about the same height and 5'9.5"-5'10" Philip Michael Thomas. As for Bruce, he had those heeled boots in the pilot, but I don't think height was a huge problem at strong 5'11" range. Iirc, Cybill wore flats, though.
Rising - 174 cm said on 28/Jul/17
@even: Frank Stallone is not 5'9". Rob has him 5'10.5". He may have shrunk to 177-178 since Sly really only looks a half inch shorter there with maybe 1/4" more footwear and Sly in 2.5"-2.7" type footwear, looked taller than Frank this year, but that would still make Sly about 5'8.5" and he did look taller in 2014 than he does now. 174 would still be the absolute minimum at the time of the Expendables 3 in 2014. As I've just shown again on Antonio Banderas' page, he was still undoubtedly taller than Banderas, who you strangely gave an optimistic 5'8.5" while downgrading the Stallone brothers. If Banderas were 5'8.5" then Sly was still at least a solid 5'9" in 2014. In reality, Banderas is probably a flat 5'8". Sly also seemed to edge out Jason Statham and Wesley Snipes during the Expendables 3, or at worst, he'd be the same height and looked at least as tall as Mel Gibson on video at the Expendables 3 premiere at Cannes. Also, as I showed below, Sly only 2 years earlier in 2012 was at the absolute worst, the same height as Van Damme, but could have been slightly taller.

I'm not convinced Sly had lost anything beyond a 1/4" by the Expendables 3 because he was still looking a weak 5'9" and he was never much, if any taller than that because outside of the comparison to Armand Assante in Paradise Alley, we see Sly looking about 5'9" with Ray Liotta in Cop Land considering footwear and just slightly taller than De Niro, who was probably 5'8.5". But then we have Sly clearly shorter than 5'10" Ben Gazzara in Capone. Here are stills: Click Here

Granted, in that first scene, Gazzara looked like he may have been on higher ground and due to hats, we can only judge by eye level, but I'd say Gazzara is an inch taller. The difference looks smaller in the second scene with what appears to be more level ground, but as I show Gazzara had slippers. This puts Sly around 5'9", as he looked in Paradise Alley, Cop Land and Next to Henry Winkler during Lords of Flatbush. But Gazzara claimed later he was "barely" 5'10" peak, which may mean a flat 5'10", but also makes 177 cm or 5'9.75" possible as well. Gazzara did actually edge out Telly Savalas, which also debunks the lies about Telly being 3 inches taller than Sly since Sly isn't that much shorter than Gazzara himself, but Gazzara admitting to 5'10" is certainly problematic for both Sly's 5'10" claims as well as Telly's "official" height of 6'1"!

On the subject of Paradise Alley, Kevin Conway, like Brigitte Nielsen, confirms Sly at about 5'9" and certainly Conway at 5'6" wouldn't mistake Sly for 5'9" if he were only 5'7", especially since Conway was aware of Sly's footwear. Even now, he's done remarkably well minimizing height loss since these early comparisons show he was never that tall to begin with.
Brad said on 27/Jul/17
Interesting DJ couldn't have cared less about his height on MV. Willis always had to be taller on Moonlighting. DJ should have done a MV feature in '85 but he told me the cast and crew woulda died of exhaustion filming it due to crunch time just filming '84-'85 so late that season.
Rising - 174 cm said on 27/Jul/17
@Barry Fl: Well, working in Hollywood, Sly's image is his livelihood. In fairness, Sly has occasionally joked about his footwear and even admitted to lifts like the quote above regarding Lundgren. There was also an early 90s video with Bruce and Arnold where referring to Cliffhanger and heights, Sly joked he got dizzy in his cowboy boots. In the last Rambo film, I thought Sly gave a really big impression, I know someone who thought he was 6'2" from that film! With Sly bulked up to 215 with his long torso and boots to make his legs look in proportion, I could easily see why some thought he was a big guy. In his physical peak in Rambo 3, he looked a pretty easy 5'11" same with Demolition Man, a good 5'10.5"-5'11" in Rambo 2 and 5'11", even pushing 6' in Cobra. There's a shoe lift infomercial I've seen where it uses an example of a 5'9" man as a perfect candidate for lifts, so just imagine people's surprise finding out Rambo is only about 5'9". In reality, there are loads of action stars his height or even shorter, but if you look at villains or Sly's co-stars and opponents in films, most tend to be quite tall. Dolph Lundgren, Brian Dennehy, Jason Momoa, Carl Weathers, Richard Crenna, Kurtwood Smith, Martin Kove, Benjamin Bratt, Denis Leary, John Lithgow, Terry Crews, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Lee Canalito, Tommy Morrison, Donald Sutherland, Jack Palance, Michael Caine, Brigitte Nielsen, Reni Santoni, Brian Thompson, Michael Rapaport, Max von Sydow, Rutger Hauer, Chazz Palminteri, Rick Zumwalt, Antonio Tarver, Jim Caviezel etc. That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure I'm missing at least a few and I'd be surprised if the average of these co-stars is under 6'2".

Btw, look at Sly with Andy Karl(played Rocky on Broadway) just 3 years ago: Click Here

The only height I can find for Andy Karl is 6'2", which I have doubts about, but seeing him on Law & Order SVU where he was the tallest cast member, I'm certain he clears 6' and a very rough guess would probably be 184-185 cm range. Sly manages to look only 2-3 inches shorter at the beginning. I'm sure those boots are helping, but it's clear he's at least 174 cm at this time 3 years ago.

Here's a scene with Sly and Antonio Banderas back in Assassins: Click Here

Banderas is someone I'm 100% sure Sly was and still is taller than. You can see there, like in the Expendables 3, Sly looks noticeably bigger physically. Banderas has better proportions and build for looking taller by himself and sometimes seems to wear bigger boots than even Sly, but you put the two next to each other and Banderas looks like the little guy consistently for 20 years.

While Frank2 was prone to underestimating height conscious 5'8.5"-5'9" guys, he sometimes overestimated some because when he didn't know whether someone wore lifts, he'd take the leap from that to being certain they don't wear lifts. That caused him to overestimate Antonio Banderas(who he thought was 5'9") as well as Michael Douglas, but both are or were big lift wearers. Ironically, Michael's father Kirk - who peaked at about the same height - was one of those Frank underestimated.
even said on 27/Jul/17
the one on the left is 5 foot 8 whereas the one the right is 5 foot 9 .
the one on the left has claimed 5 foot 11 whereas the one on the right has claimed 6 foot 1 .
Barry Fl said on 27/Jul/17
Rising - 174 cm said on 26/Jul/17
...I include a quote from a 1977 newspaper that was surprised Sly was "only" 5'10" since they thought he was a six-footer on screen. Plus, all of the tall wives and girlfriends, particularly Brigitte may have added to this perception. He's not at all short for an early baby boomer Italian American, or really any early baby boomer.

Yeah, it's not that Sly is short. He's not short, really. Just that everyone expected him to be a giant, as they seem to with most actors - larger than life and as big as the cinema screen! It probably also never helped that Sly has been so defensive about his height over the years, and gone to (at times) ludicrous lengths to convince us all he was taller than he was. An average height guy, let's say, but with great physique and talent. Who needs to be a 6 footer?
Rising - 174 cm said on 26/Jul/17
@loka: I agree there as well. Stallone could look 5'11" a lot and particularly from the time he remade his physique and focused on action roles, he projected a bigger presence. In fact, Rob use to have at the top of Sly's page regarding the short sightings "although maybe people expected him to be 5ft 11, a height at which he can pass for in 2006." If you see my July 5th post, I include a quote from a 1977 newspaper that was surprised Sly was "only" 5'10" since they thought he was a six-footer on screen. Plus, all of the tall wives and girlfriends, particularly Brigitte may have added to this perception. He's not at all short for an early baby boomer Italian American, or really any early baby boomer.

@slim: In fairness, it's not outrageous. I was looking for something unrelated on the Carl Weathers page and found a couple of comments from Rob saying in 2011 he thought Sly at less than 5'9" was unlikely and that he would have thought more 5'9"-5'9.5" range than 5'8.5"-5'9". Of course, I believed the same thing at that time, so Rob may feel differently today as well, but it shows that it's not ridiculous. I do think Sly was as tall as some listed at 5'9.5" on this site like Michael Douglas, Mel Gibson and probably Don Johnson, who I'm convinced were also never more than 5'9" flat. And there's Eric Roberts who was lowered from 5'9.5" to 5'9" peak once Rob met him, so it can be tough to pin down some of those roughly 5'9" guys with bigger footwear.

@Brad: I agree with 5'9" late 80s/early 90s, but I can't see why he'd have lost a half inch by then. I think that means he was likely 5'9" peak as he's still done pretty well in the height loss department even into his 60s. I'm pretty certain DJ had lifts in his boots on Nash Bridges, but if you look at how his foot sits almost at the top of the shoe, I think he's got a pretty decent insole for that style: Click Here Click Here Click Here I think he winds up at least getting the range of a thinner sneaker. The heel is probably 1 cm or so, but I'd think the insole is at least near that as well. But the total gain looks under an inch to me - I'd say 0.7"-0.8" - so still pretty flat regardless and definitely a flat heel, which explains why he could look 5'8.5" on the show. But the cameraman's story seems completely credible to me. Now, of course if this cameraman had wanted to claim say 5'8" himself then I'm sure he would have said DJ was 5'11".

DJ unfortunately didn't pick the right movies. Dead Bang was a decent sort of B type action film of the sort Swayze, Norris, Bronson, Carl Weathers, Dolph Lundgren etc. could all get at that time and Harley Davidson & the Marlboro Man wasn't gonna be a breakthrough. Ironically, it seems DJ turned down Die Hard, which was it for Willis. DJ certainly had the movie star looks, charisma and cultural appeal at the time, but never had that movie to go along with it like Bruce did. Bruce was also doing the commercials, music videos etc. and suddenly becomes an action star having been known as a comedic actor before that. I agree on Selleck, he's another one and had CBS not prevented him from becoming Indiana Jones then that probably would have been it for him. He had some good movies, but nothing of that magnitude in terms of blockbuster potential. I do think Selleck may have done better in movies had he come of age earlier as an actor. His sort of presence was a bit of a throwback to the big(literally and figuratively) stars of decades past. Both Selleck and DJ could be forgiven for thinking they'd translate as well to the big screen, but why on earth David Caruso thought he would is beyond me.
Brad said on 26/Jul/17
DJ was 5' 9" 25 years ago in Aspen. I'd go peak 5' 9.5" easy in his twenties. I'd had bet on DJ as a new Burt Reynolds even as early as '80. Guy never got the push Willis did. Selleck is the guy I woulda bet on but that Hawaii stuff held him up on 8 month shoots. F2 and the wild one are wrong on DJ. Insoles..nah, they look dead flat in shots.
loka said on 26/Jul/17
As I said, 175 cm (weak or strong) is normal for an italo american born in the 40's. This became a problem for Sly because of the characters he played in Movies and people wanted to see a big guy in real Life. He played a heayvywheight boxing champion who seems to exist in our reality : Rocky. That's the beginning of the problem. I think like that : Rocky and Rambo appears to be around 5 ft 10 but Sly was probably around 175 cm peak.
Rising - 174 cm said on 26/Jul/17
There's a pretty good, albeit short comparison of Sly and Statham recently: Click Here You can compare them for a few seconds around the 13 second mark when they seem to be pretty much side by side before they get too far down the ramp and the angle gets too low and then again around the 45 second mark when they're off the ramp. Here are a couple of shots of their footwear: Click Here Click Here

They look the same height to me with no discernible difference so I'd say Sly still seems to be hanging on to about 5'8.5" since I believe that's most likely Statham's height and I'm pretty certain Sly's shoes are normal and I can't imagine they add any more than those boots Statham is wearing, which is anything, look the thicker of the footwear, but probably pretty close either way.
Rising - 174 cm said on 25/Jul/17
@Brad: How tall do you think DJ was then? The shortest I could buy is 5'8.5", but I still think 5'9" peak. He could look shorter than Edward James Olmos at times, but I think they were likely the same height and he's apparently 174-175 cm peak. Bruce Willis did look 3 inches taller, but Bruce may have been more 5'11.25"-5'11.5" peak. I agree it's a cool pic. Both were pretty much movie star level icons on television then, except Bruce became an actual movie star, though I'm sure a lot would have bet on DJ becoming a bigger star. That TV to movie stardom leap isn't one many make successfully. A Miami Vice cameraman actually said DJ had lifts built into his shoes on the show and looking at close ups and where his foot sat, I do believe he had a bit extra insole in those shoes. They still wouldn't be that big of a boost, but I think it made them closer to a typical range shoe as opposed to the 1 cm they might otherwise add. That same cameraman was 5'6" range and said DJ was 5'9" or so, which sounds about right, but Frank2 said 5'8" max for DJ and Glenn said 5'11"!
Slim 182 cm said on 25/Jul/17
Even if I wanted Stallone to be 176 prime, it's not gonna happen, more like 174.5-175 prime and 173.5-174 today.
Rising - 174 cm said on 24/Jul/17
Thanks, Rob. That would explain how Sly managed to look closer to 5'10" in them than 5'9" with Van Damme, Arnie and Dolph: Click Here Click Here Click Here Arnold is in heeled boots himself, which if you look at hiw legs in the first pic, don't seem like they'd give too much less than Sly's shoes. I'd imagine Arnold at 182 range then could appear a six footer with a boot like that.

I'm with loka on this one, although I view 174.5 peak and 173.5 current as pretty much as likely. I do understand 176 guesses - he could easily look it - but it's like I say with Mel Gibson and Brad Pitt - watch the early films! In Paradise Alley for instance, I remember Sly slightly shorter than Armand Assante who Rob lists at a plausible 5'9.5". This wasn't the case in every scene, but overall, Assante seemed a bit taller in the film from what I remember. Funny enough, I think Assante also claimed 5'10.5" years ago, but in his case, it was probably a shoe height.
Brad said on 24/Jul/17
Cool shot of Bruce and Don Johnson. Johnson wore str8 flats on MV...Willis had regulars and 5' 11". DJ was never 5' 9" peak.
Rising - 174 cm said on 23/Jul/17
Hey Rob, can you estimate these Prada shoes Sly has worn occasionally the past 5 years?

Click Here Click Here

Sly wearing them in both colors: Click Here Click Here

Also, less important, but could you estimate how much of a gain would be possible if lifts were put in them? Thanks.
Editor Rob: I don't think he's got any lifts in those, but the model can give near 1.75 inches I believe.
bob said on 23/Jul/17
Hey Rob. Do you think there is a noticeable difference between someone who is 5'9 and someone who is 5'9.25? If I looked someone in the eye and their eye level was 1/4 of an inch lower than mine, would I even notice they were shorter? (assuming we are barefoot with similar posture etc)
Editor Rob: half inch becomes a more noticeable difference, but if you look at a 1/4 inch on a ruler, it's not much. If you had 2 people together at 5ft 9 and 9.25, most people would class them as similar looking.
loka said on 22/Jul/17
175 peak and 174 now are very rational estimates.
Rising - 174 cm said on 21/Jul/17
@Montana: Just check out when Bruce appeared on Miami Vice! Click Here

And Bruce didn't actually have boots like that in that episode! I assume DJ was 5'9" peak and is now about 5'8.5", but can look taller over the years due to lifts, or when he wore cowboy boots in his action films like Dead Bang and Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man. At most, I might see DJ at 5'9.25" peak and 5'8.75" now, but as I posted on 29/Apr/17, he's never actually managed to appear taller than Sly in one photo I've seen out of many spanning from at least 1993-2014. As for Bruce and boots, I think it was more a style thing since he doesn't seem like a guy who cares about his height. They were really in style in the 70s and 80s, so it's probably why he wore them back then.

As for the theory, that'd be funny, but in reality, i think it's more likely Sly just runs in different Hollywood crowds than those Pitt and Cruise. I've never seen Sly and George Clooney either for that matter. Considering Sly and Brad Pitt share a habit of trying to get close to the camera for pics, I can imagine them sort of shoving each other, trying to get the edge on each other like a receiver trying to get open in football before the photo is taken. Of course, I'm sure if enough photos of any of those guys were taken, the height difference would vary depending on footwear, just like when you look at the many photos/video of Sly and Mel Gibson over nearly two and a half decades, the height difference seems to change with the photo, as well as who is taller. That's what happens in a battle of the lifts!
Slim 182 cm said on 21/Jul/17
176 is imaginable.
Montana said on 20/Jul/17
@Rising

Wow, Bruce towers over Don Johnson in those boots, which I already assumed. There was a time when Johnson claimed to be around 5'11 (he was probably more 5'9-5'10)but Bruce still makes him look short. I wonder whether Sly played Bruce to not wear any boots when they were photographed. lol

You know what I also find mysterious and funny? I have never seen a pic of Sly and Brad Pitt/Tom Cruise together, just like you never see any pics of Vin Diesel with those guys, the same guys who basically dominant the topics of celebrityheights. It's like as if they prevent posing together knowing we would talk about them here and make our final conclusions about their heights. lol
Rising - 174 cm said on 20/Jul/17
Harris said on 20/Jul/17
I must say its very shocking to see a 70+ year old guy with such a healthy strong body. He seems like he's still very much secure on how he wants to be perceived by the public and its good he's not over-doing it. Does he still wear lifts?

Yeah, it's why Sly has been a role model for many for decades. He stopped wearing lifts regularly for quite a while. Only wore on them on occasion from late 2008 to early this year and I'm not sure I saw him wear them at all from 2015 until this Spring, but he wore thick sneakers with lifts to Guardians of the Galaxy premiere - I think his Hogan sneakers - and must have been wearing them to the photoshoot he was at with Chris Pratt and Michael Rooker as he and Rooker are both about 5'8.5", but Sly looked near 2 inches taller.
Richardspain said on 20/Jul/17
176cm in his first movies in peak younger stallone is ok.

175 cm a long time. His exwife said it.

174cm nowadays not less. Is nearly to harrison fors's height in "Expendables"

Did you watch the movie?? Harrison is a strong 5'11 how do you explain that? And sly is very similar than Harrison.

Also although he wears lifts elevator shoes elevstor boots rambo boots etc etc he only will be 5 or 6 cm extra not more and with lifts 179cm to sly is very credible sufficient to be similar than other actors range 180-183cm


Sorry but I don't give him less of 174 cm today and less 176cm when he was young.

I watched his movies next to other actors to arrive this conclusion.

Peak 176
Current 175
Nowadays174

Always always between 176-174cm
Richardspain said on 20/Jul/17
176cm in his first movies in peak younger stallone is ok.

175 cm a long time. His exwife said it.

174cm nowadays not less. Is nearly to harrison fors's height in "Expendables"

Did you watch the movie?? Harrison is a strong 5'11 how do you explain that? And sly is very similar than Harrison.

Also although he wears lifts elevator shoes elevstor boots rambo boots etc etc he only will be 5 or 6 cm extra not more and with lifts 179cm to sly is very credible sufficient to be similar than other actors range 180-183cm


Sorry but I don't give him less of 174 cm today and less 176cm when he was young.

I watched his movies next to other actors to arrive this conclusion.

Peak 176
Current 175
Nowadays174

Always always between 176-174cm
Harris said on 20/Jul/17
I must say its very shocking to see a 70+ year old guy with such a healthy strong body. He seems like he's still very much secure on how he wants to be perceived by the public and its good he's not over-doing it. Does he still wear lifts?
Rising - 174 cm said on 19/Jul/17
Regardless of footwear, this is definitely at least a 5'8.5"-5'9" man with 6'1"-6'1.5" and 5'11"-5'11.5" men: Click Here

As for Bruce and cowboy boots, it's been years since he's worn anything like that. He use to sometimes in the 80s, as it looks like from the front here with Don Johnson: Click Here He wore heeled boots in the Moonlighting pilot as well: Click Here

Btw, this is what Sly looked like in lifts with Mickey Rourke: Click Here And here's a picture from the day last year where Sly and Rourke where filmed: Click Here

As for Sly's body, he cares about it more than his height, he seems to be taking great care of it: Click Here

That's why it's not surprising he's only last a small fraction. How many 70 year olds look like that? His posture is also still flawless, which has helped him only lose a small amount. Say what you want about the odd hair thing he's got the past couple years, but he may very well have a more impressive build than anyone on this site. Whatever he's taking, he's had years to learn, so he's probably taking those things intelligently. Back in the 80s was a different story. Sly went to extremes.
Brad said on 18/Jul/17
Never met Sly. Saw Jackson in a court walk by me, he's 5' 9" easy. Sly is 5' 8" (weak) in '17, 5' 8.5" peak. I wonder if all that steroid stuff has done a mess to his body.
Rising - 174 cm said on 18/Jul/17
@Frankie: I posted the behind the scenes footage as have others over the years and nobody saw a 5'7" Sly there. You're only right that the difference is about 2 inches, but that's because Mr. T was 5'10.5"-5'11" and Sly 5'8.5"-5'9". This doesn't even come close to supporting you're argument so you have to not only fabricate lifts, but make them these magic lifts that can give him an extra 2" over Mr. T in flat boxing shoes and be completely undetectable His boxing shoes weren't wedged in that film period, otherwise he wouldn't have remarked about having to fight with lifts vs Dolph in Rocky 4 because it wouldn't have been so significant as to mention it if he had done it before. And fitting you have to downgrade Mr. T, just shows how nonexistent your Sly at 5'7" argument is. Rob lists him at 5'10.5" peak, which he could have been, but no shorter and he looked 5'11" or taller with Carl Weathers as I've shown, in addition to Hulk Hogan and David Letterman to name a few good references. You'd have to claim Carl Weathers was only 5'11"-6'0", but then again, you'd have to do that to try to make him fit with your silly 5'7" estimate for Sly. Actually, I don't think estimate is the right word. Wish is more appropriate.

@Harris: Mr. R did see Sly in NY years ago and did say he was near 5'9", but Brad never met Sly. But yeah, Frank2 is very interesting under any alias, I think he adds to the site, but he's not as infallible as he claims since he's often acted like meeting somebody was the same as putting them under a stadiometer and he was prone to human error and memory changing. There's nothing wrong with it, I've met people and changed my estimate later when I thought about it more, but acknowledging this would be better. Also, Kurt 2-3 inches taller than Sly is literally impossible. They may have been the exact same height, but either way, nothing more than a fraction separated them. As for Jackson, I was convinced he was 5'8" for a while seeing full body pics and video of him in cowboy boots shorter than 176 cm Eddie Murphy as well as shorter than 174 cm Michael Schumacher, but then a poster did post quite a few pics of Jackson looking at least 5'9" and I'm now quite uncertain on him. Honestly, he could be anywhere from 5'8" minimum to 5'9" max, imo.
Frankie68 said on 17/Jul/17
Mr.T has never been 5'11 flat in his life peak or now !! 5'9 -5-10 topps !! And was clearly 2 inches or more taller than Sly with his wedged up boxing shoes on as shown by jim hoppers pics from days ago !! There is also plenty of behind the scenes footage of Sly & Mr.T practicing fight scenes that support this !!
Harris said on 17/Jul/17
@Rising: Thanks for the reply, Frank2 was definitely full of surprises and could really get bizarre with his estimates at times no doubt! I remember having almost heated arguments with him on some of his vague estimations!

Its really weird he'd say a 5'7"-5'8" max guy would appear 5'11" in cowboy boots, and I agree he must have estimated that difference with his own shoes on...which in my belief I'd picture it be a roughly 5'9" in barefeet guy and a 6-foot-in shoes guy. As for Jackson, I do remember him insisting he was 5'9" a long while ago while scrolling through comments, and it somehow changed to 5'7" years later funny enough...he really seemed to have a strong sense of dislike (or even hatred) towards Jackson especially as time went on which could have caused his bias. I think Mr. R and Brad said he was 5 9, given they apparently met him too. That's definitely noteworthy, how tall do you think Michael Jackson actually was given some of those variations on his height?

And for, Kurt Russell, that was really weird for sure. He posted a number comments insisting he was "no taller than 5'9" which indicated he might have been shorter than that, and then years later, with his brand new identity as Mr. Knowitall (as he claims to have known it all) he literally says "no shorter, no taller than 5 10". And the thing is, he'd argue with anyone who didn't agree with his estimates so it did make him a bit of a hypocrite imo. I can't deny his entertainment value though lol. I actually hope he makes a return...although I think he has at times disguised himself under names like Tom, James and Steve in recent years!
Rising - 174 cm said on 17/Jul/17
More with Bruce as well as Bruce and Arnold. Only video and full pics

2010 Hollywood Awards with 180 cm Bruce Willis again and Arnold who was likely a solid 182 cm then as he could have been anywhere from 5'11.5"-6'0" 7 years ago: Video: Click Here Pic to show flat, normal looking dress shoes again: Click Here Actually, Sly had similar shoes to Bruce, but if anything, Arnold had the biggest looking shoes(see Parker's July 10th post). Bruce isn't more than 2" taller than Sly and given the range Arnold was at this time, we can safely say Sly looks at least 174-175 cm with him.

With Bruce again at the 2011 HBO "His Way" premiere: Video: Click Here And once again, completely flat, normal looking shoes: Click Here I'd say about 2 inches shorter than Bruce, certainly not less than 174-175 range.

Also, since I posted full pics below, here's video of Sly and a then 6'3"-6'3.5" Dolph at the Ritz Hotel in 2010: Click Here With Dolph likely 191 cm back then, there's no way Sly looks under 5'9" with him. Similarly, as I posted several pics of Sly with Dolph and Jason Statham at the Expendables London premiere in 2010, here's video of that as well: Click Here Just as the pics show, it's clear Sly is not shorter than Statham and doesn't look under 5'9" with Dolph once again.

For Sly to be 5'7", he'd have to be in minimum 3" elevators at all these when he looked to be in normal shoes, those low cut Prada shoes of his would have to give him about 3.5"-4", his Hogan sneakers at least 5" and those pretty normal looking shoes I suspected probably had subtle lifts with Arnold in Macau and with Tom Jones in late 2014 would have to be 4". It's downright laughable. I agree with Parker, I think it's often easy to tell when he doesn't have lifts. He always has good posture, but his posture and walk are different when he has his lifts and his proportions are different as well. While Sly has relatively short legs and a relatively long torso and arms, we can see from barefoot pics that his legs aren't that short and they'd have to be if he had lifts in all these photos and videos.
Rising - 174 cm said on 17/Jul/17
Just like my July 15th post of only video and full body pics Sly, primarily in 2010 with Statham and Dolph Lundgren, I'll compare him in 2010 to Bruce Willis and Mickey Rourke using only video and full body pics.

2010 Expendables Los Angeles Premiere with Mickey Rourke and Bruce Willis(both 5'11"): Video: Click Here (Angle gets better about 28 seconds in) Full pics with both Mickey and Bruce: Click Here Click Here With just Mickey: Click Here Click Here Click Here

2010 Red Screening with Bruce Willis: Videos: Click Here Click Here This shows how flat and normal Sly's shoes look: Click Here

Certainly doesn't look look under 175 cm at these events and can look 176-177 range at times due simply to holding better posture and perhaps having 1/4" bigger heel in the case of the Expendables Los Angeles premiere. He measures up way better than a 5'7" or even flat 5'8" man does to 5'11" men. Actually, here's video of Sly and Mickey Rourke from within the last year: Click Here I don't know if Mickey is still at his peak height, he could have lost a half inch within these 6 years, but even if that's the case, Sly still easily looks over 5'8" with him. I'll continue in a follow up post with more pics and videos from this time since I can't fit any more in this one.
Rising - 174 cm said on 17/Jul/17
@Harris: Well said. I agree with your entire post. There's good video to show Sly looking not more than an inch shorter than Iron Mike and Rob himself said the shoes looked normal. Then we see Sly even today taller than Rob was with Carl Weathers. Frank2 actually insisted he saw Sly in socks at 5'7"-5'8" after he removed his cowboy boots due to his feet bothering him. But before that, Frank insisted Sly in cowboy boots had been his height. My theory is that Frank overestimated the height difference because of the dramatic difference between seeing Sly his height one minute and Sly inches shorter the next, especially since Sly's posture may have not been as good if he removed his boots due to them bothering him. Frank2's estimates has changed over the years as you can see in many cases, such as stating Michael Jackson was 5'9" in 2006, but then arguing he was 5'7" a few years back all based on the same meeting he had with Michael back in the 80s. Similarly, he said for years that Kurt Russell was never more than 5'9" including as KnowItAll then suddenly changes and says Kurt is 5'10". I think Frank2 may have remembered about how tall Sly was in socks compared to himself in shoes, but not adjusted for his 1 inch footwear advantage over Sly, which made Frank effectively 6' compared to Sly instead of 5'11". Or like I said, the dramatic difference between Sly in built up cowboy boots and Sly in socks made Sly seem even shorter than he really was. Add in the fact that heels and lifts force your posture up and it's very likely Sly would drop a little posture taking them off even if his feet hadn't been bothering him. These conditions and the fact that Frank's recollections weren't as perfect as he insisted they were as evidenced by the Jackson and Russell examples as 2 of many make it easy to see how Frank in shoes could confuse a 5'8.5"-5'9" man in socks for a 5'7"-5'8" man. But if Sly really was Frank's height in shoes in his boots(about 6 feet) then that alone rules out 5'7" as it's not even possible Sly had 5" boots. Even really big lifts in cowboy boots would give him maybe 3"-3.5" range at most and if he was 6' in them, that points to 5'8.5"-5'9". This is only my theory anyway. Frank2 would insist I'm wrong, that's his right and I appreciate his contributions to the site, but Frank seeing Sly without boots does not make him the best authority we have on Sly. Brigitte Nielsen saw him barefoot countless times and confirmed Sly was 174-175 cm just like we're saying and this was long after they were married when she'd have no reason to lie for him. One of her later husbands was around 5'7", she'd also know what that looked like and considering she also said Eddie Murphy is 5'9"-5'9.5", she seems to be a good judge of height.

@Danimal: Don't be silly. You've literally just subtracted the average loss from that one 40 year old survey you're so fixated on and applied it to Sly. It's a widly inaccurate method, which you should realize by the simple fact that Sly never looks less than 5'8". By your logic, Weathers must be 5'11.75". Arnold at 5'10"? I don't know where you got that one since he NEVER looks it. The shortest he's looked is a weak 5'11" with loose posture and can still look as tall as six footers with a decent heel. Actually, by your method, Arnold is still at least 6'0.25". By that same logic(or lack thereof), Rob's father would have been 5'9" at 64-65, yet Rob can verify that his father was still at his peak height of 5'10" until around that time. If you misinterpret that survey the way you do then that wouldn't make sense as that survey showed the averaged man losing 1" by 65 and 0.8" by 60. And certainly many 50 year old men don't lose 0.4" like the averaged of a paltry 1000 or so sampled for that survey.

Furthermore, Danimal, you made this comment in January of this year on the Wesley Snipes page and posted good photos to support your assertion:

Danimal said on 3/Jan/17
How do you have him at 5'9" when he's clearly shorter than Sly in all recent photos of them?

On that same day, you said

Danimal said on 3/Jan/17
He's 5'8"! Watch Blade 3. He shows his ID and it says 5'8". He was also noticeably shorter than Woody Harrelson in White Men Can't Jump and Woody's 5'9".

So, just earlier this year, you're pointing out Sly is taller than Wesley Snipes while saying Snipes is 5'8". So you made the case for a minimum 5'8.25"-5'8.5" Sly yourself. Of course, estimating Snipes height based on a fictional characters' ID is also silly since it obviously didn't come from Snipes as the real Wesley Snipes has only claimed 5'10" and 5'11", but that's another story. I could see Snipes at 5'8.5" and Sly was not shorter 3 years ago as you demonstrated so well, so Sly was still 5'8.5"-5'8.75" in 2014.

Aside from Sly looking 174 cm with a 185 cm Carl Weathers, He also looked 174 cm to me when he had normal shoes with 179 cm Michael B. Jordan. With big boots, he could still look similar to Jordan as you can see during Creed. Sly at 5'7" makes his brother Frank not much more than 5'8" these days.
Harris said on 17/Jul/17
Sly was easily at least 174 if not 175 cm at peak. There's no solid evidence he was 5'7", so constantly stating that he was seems a bit silly to me. He looked clearly taller than Rob did with legitimate 5'10" Mike Tyson several years ago in obvious normal-looking footwear! In fact there's so much proof for Rob's listings I'm starting to think some posters on here just choose to completely ignore the evidence provided for a 5'9 Sly.

By the way if anyone can remember, what was Frank2/Knowitall's estimate on Stallone? Considering his claimed work in the entertainment industry and the countless number of celebrities he claimed to have come across, I'm sure he'd have met him. I really think Rob should archive old comments...
Montana said on 17/Jul/17
@Montana: Wow, great find. Sly legitimately looks about as tall as Bruce and no more than 2 inches shorter than Arnold. I'm sure he had cowboy boots and he had to wear lifts inside, but there can be little doubt he's passed for 5'11" on a number of occasions.

Thanks. To be honest, in this video I thought Sly looked short compared to Bruce and Arnold. But at that time, when those 3 guys opened all the Planet Hollywood resteaurants, there were many ocassions where you could compare them standing next to each other and obviously Sly's height various the most, but sometimes also Arnolds. Bruce is like the onlyconstant because he not only wore flat shoes but he sometimes wore flip flops and still looked tall enough. I wonder whether there has ever been a pic of showing Bruce wearing cowboy boots? I have never seen him wearing them. Imagine what he would make Sly and Arnold look like if he wore them lol
Johan said on 17/Jul/17
He could pull off 5'11" at times by wearing cowboyboots with lifts. Would be easy to get near 3 inches with those. Still a guy under 5'9" wouldn't be able to pull that off, I still say for sure he was 5'9" and down to 5'8" today.

Arnie had 2 inches both on Willis and Sly (with wedged boots) so 6'1" flat really.
Slim 181 cm said on 17/Jul/17
5'9 "glory days"
5'8.5 today
The HGH must of maintained bone density and reduced height loss, if he didn't he'd take HGH he'd be 5'7-5'7.75
MJKoP said on 17/Jul/17
Shredder said on 15/Jul/17
5'7 Sly is like saying Jaye Davidson is 5'3 ;) lol.

Well, on June 30th, you cited Davidson as 5'8.5" making for a 5.5" difference between that and the widely circulated 5'3" misconception; add the same amount to the 5'7" figure for Sly and you get.....Stallone at 6'0.5?!?! :D j/k
Danimal said on 16/Jul/17
RisingForce said on 14/Jul/17
Considering Weathers could still be a full 6'1"(see my April 19th post on Carl's page of Carl with Philip Winchester), Sly does look 5'8.5" there to me and I believe his shoes are normal, but even by merely having perfect posture, Sly is a guy who can look a bit taller so 5'8.25" is equally possible.

Arnold still had 3" max on Sly at the Terminator Genisys premiere as well. Video: Click Here Full pic: Click Here I'd bet they have similar shoes there as well. One reason I'm so convinced is the comparison I just posted of Sly in what I believe to be subtle lifts with Arnold only a year earlier in Macau(where Sly is wearing red and white). Even considering I'm pretty sure Sly lost 1/4" to 1/2" in that year, I think the difference is striking enough to demonstrate my point.

Which makes sense considering Arnold is 5'10 1/4" and Sly's 5'7 1/4" today.
Montana said on 16/Jul/17
Johan

Sly is nowhere near 5'11" legit there. If I was being conservative I would say 3.5 inches difference but no less. So Sly appearing 5'9" would make Arnold 6'0.5" there minimum. If he is gaining a boost from lifts then Arnold being 6'1.5" peak is legit, I wouldn't argue more than 2 inches for that footwear from Sly, looks less even. So maybe he appears 5'10" there with a cuban now that I look closer (1.5 inchers) but with his puffy hair I can see why he would fool you for 5'11". Shave his head and he isn't above his eyebrows.

It's not like I am saying Sly is a tall guy, but I have never been sure whether Arnold has ever been above 6ft legit. To me Sly appears taller than 5'10 in that 1992 video that I posted, maybe 5'11 and I am not only looking at the eye and head level but also at the shoulder height, which to me seems like they are not too far off. If Arnold was really like 6'2, even in shoes then he should look taller then that
Rising - 174 cm said on 16/Jul/17
@Montana: Wow, great find. Sly legitimately looks about as tall as Bruce and no more than 2 inches shorter than Arnold. I'm sure he had cowboy boots and he had to wear lifts inside, but there can be little doubt he's passed for 5'11" on a number of occasions.

@Jim Hopper: Mr. T shrunk. He was taller in the 80s. You can see this with legit 6'1" Carl Weathers in Rocky 3 and the promo pics for it. I'd guess Mr. T was closer to 5'11" back then since he could look taller than that, especially with Weathers: Click Here Click Here It's also quite possible they made the height difference greater between the two. Sly dropped down to 163 pounds for that film to enhance the "David vs Goliath" imagery, so it's clear they wanted a size difference between the two. Dolph Lundgren claimed Sly had him stand on a box for the famous "I must break you" line and glove touch, so it's possible they did the same. If you watch the behind the scenes training footage, it's clear Mr. T is taller, but not a lot taller: Click Here No more than 2 inches. Sly at 174-175 cm and Mr. T at 179-180 cm peak is probable. 5'8¾" for Sly may be the safest guess. Incidentally, you also see Mr. T and Weathers about 5 minutes into that video.

@MJKoP: I still do remember quite a bit about Glenn, though, despite not talking to him for 3 years. I spoke to Glenn on the phone at length not too long after his final departure from celebheights, which gave me a pretty good idea of his mentality. I can say that my impression was he all but didn't acknowledge his 5'6.5" measurement (or what we thought was 5'6 5/8" at that time). He took his high measurement(5'7", but he thought 5'7.25") and considered that his normal night height and was pretty exasperated venting about the whole situation. He did also say Rob was 5'9" at one point. We usually didn't talk about height or celebheights, but he did repeat to me in one conversation what he told Rob through email about possibly being 5'7.5" out of bed. I do believe that could very well be true, but instead of a minimum, it's likely the most he'd be out of bed with 5'7.25" being a pretty likely out of bed height as well. I don't care how tall Glenn tells people in his personal life he is, but trying to convince celebheights members he's 5'8" is a bit silly at this point and it's not wise of him to direct posts like the Andrew Garfield one(where he calls Rob a height troll for guessing Garfield 5'10.5" as opposed to the 5'11" Glenn thinks) at the site and talk about retaliation as that just invites more criticism to him, best for his own psyche if he leaves the site in the past. But I really think he's largely convinced himself 5'6.5" was some sort of anomaly. Unlike Rob, Glenn always took a very unscientific approach to height. Remember Glenn's supposed late growth spurt of 1" around age 22? That's quite rare to grow that much then. It's likely he had been measured near 5'7" earlier and never grew, but someone told him he looked taller, or Glenn thought his father was and remained 5'8" so he may have perceived them being the same height and it's also possible he got measured in shoes some time after that and was near 5'8". I actually do believe he had friends who told him he could look 5'9". If you encounter many people who don't have the interest in height we do, you regularly see people about 5'8" or 5'9" claiming 5'10", 5'11" or 5'10" claiming 6 feet etc. I also noticed that from the misconception that men regularly grow to 25(the average man reaches his full height by about 18), I've noticed some young people who seem to just assume they grew and add an inch or two to their height. I had a friend years ago who claimed 6'1" barefoot and he was nowhere near it so I challenged him on it and he challenged me to measure him, so I did and he came in at 5'10.75". Keep in mind, this was pretty early, perhaps 10 or 11 am as we had been playing basketball 1 on 1 earlier that morning so I doubt he was at his low. Btw, I won the game. ;) Funny enough, even after that, he was still claiming 6' or 6'1" for some time.

I really don't think he knew how tall he was before meeting Rob, though. Otherwise, why would he consent to it? Why wouldn't he have lay down before the first measurement? Plus, not all of his overestimates line up with a man trying to inflate his own height. As for Sly, Glenn could have easily written off the photos as Sly being in lifts and nobody would have doubted him. If anything, Glenn's insistence that Sly had sandals on one occasion and low cut casuals on the other occasion(I believe him on the latter), just called into question Glenn's own height. Then there's Bruce Willis, who Glenn insisted was 6'1", which less believed than Glenn's Sly estimate since Sly could at least look it, but Glenn didn't even have a picture with Bruce, so why lie? Then there were a lot of 5'6"-5'8" celebs who Glenn either rendered a pretty accurate guess on or actually downgraded! Sean Penn at 5'7" is an example.

Mel never claimed 5'11" either. Glenn simply misinterpreted an article summing up Mel's appearance on Parkinson. This is likely what he read: "After demonstrating they are the same height - at 5 feet, 11 inches - Mel then jokes to the audience:..."

Think about it, Mel claimed 5'10" recently in a video interview for Hacksaw Ridge, he claimed it to a 1990 newspaper interviewer, studio publicity listed Mel at 5'10" Lethal Weapon era and Mel's booking sheet listed him 5'10" in 2011. Glenn thinks a man who has repeatedly claimed 5'10" over a 30 year period is 5'11". Even if he did push his luck and try 5'11" once, why would he have said 5'10" for the other 30 years? That's when it gets silly. Funny enough, if you go
loka said on 16/Jul/17
To Frankie68 : i really don't think that Sly has any lift in his boxing shoes... It would be too dangerous. He would have sprained his ankle more than once time. It has never been reported in 30 years of Rocy Mowies (76-2006).
Brad said on 16/Jul/17
The Portman life-live it.
Frankie68 said on 16/Jul/17
@jim hooper , Sly also has lifts in his boxing shoes with MR. t for sure !!! My point exactly !! Perfect pic to prove my claim of 5'7 !! But to be fair he does often look taller but like i always say its cause of what footwear he is wearing at the time !!! More evidence supports him looking short than tall considering his footwear ,,,
Johan said on 16/Jul/17
Click Here


Here is what they look like today when sly forgets lifts.


Click Here This is a pic where sly can pull off 5'11" compare him to willis on the left a legit 5'11" guy. Also 2 in under arnie.
Johan said on 16/Jul/17
Montana said on 16/Jul/17

In what world does Arnold have him by 4 inches? If Sly is close to 5'11 here, due to lifts, then Arnold is nowhere near above 6'1, and Sly isn't atanding straight either, he is quite relaxed with relatively wide opened legs


Sly is nowhere near 5'11" legit there. If I was being conservative I would say 3.5 inches difference but no less. So Sly appearing 5'9" would make Arnold 6'0.5" there minimum. If he is gaining a boost from lifts then Arnold being 6'1.5" peak is legit, I wouldn't argue more than 2 inches for that footwear from Sly, looks less even. So maybe he appears 5'10" there with a cuban now that I look closer (1.5 inchers) but with his puffy hair I can see why he would fool you for 5'11". Shave his head and he isn't above his eyebrows .

If you want to convince yourself that Sly ever loses a mm when standing go ahead :) He even looks at the screen to see how he looks in comparison after 3.42.. lol.
loka said on 16/Jul/17
To Jim Hopper : It's very hard to see what is the real height difference between Mister T and Sly in 1982. It seems that there is a good 4 cm between the 2 depending on the Pics. The Pic you posted : Sly is spreading his legs making Mister T appear taller. Si I see there 5 cm. Consider also the fact that Mister T has lost some height since 1982. A lot of people noticed that. Sly is now taller than him with good shoes on. Mister T was supposed to be a good 179 cm in 1982 so Sly was probably around 175... IMO.
Montana said on 16/Jul/17
Check this video out guys, Sly, Arnold and Bruce standing in line in the first 30 seconds

Click Here
Montana said on 16/Jul/17
Johan "Arnold isn't standing straight he is lowering himself. Pause at 3.39 min and look in the screen on stage, he has him by 4 inches."

In what world does Arnold have him by 4 inches? If Sly is close to 5'11 here, due to lifts, then Arnold is nowhere near above 6'1, and Sly isn't atanding straight either, he is quite relaxed with relatively wide opened legs
Jim Hopper said on 16/Jul/17
Ok heres my take on Slys height. I met Mr T twice in London at a hotel I was working for. I think 2000 and 2006 ish iirc. Im just over 6-2". Hes not a tall guy really! IMO 5-10" max yeah I was shocked too. Heres a pic of them 1982 both. Sly looks 5-7.5" or 5-8" here to me. Click Here
Shredder said on 15/Jul/17
5'7 Sly is like saying Jaye Davidson is 5'3 ;) lol.
RisingForce said on 15/Jul/17
I think the first Expendables is a great time to judge how tall Sly was because he wore dress shoes a lot, but judging how tall he could still look with Randy Couture in his Hogan sneakers, I don't think he had lost anything by that point. I think people who think Sly has lost an inch only have Sly as a superstar in their mind. When you see him pre-Rocky, he could look shorter. Going by eye level(since they had hats), I thought he looked an inch, maybe 3 cm shorter than 5'10" Ben Gazzara in Capone(1975) for instance. But yous see him tower Woody Allen in the early 70s and it's also clear to me he was closer to 5'9" than 5'8".

For reference, Statham is somewhere from 174-175 cm, perhaps in between at 5'8.75" as Rob lists him. He can't be less than 5'8.5", otherwise Tom Cruise may be the flat 5'7" people insist. Dolph appears in a few 2010 photos and I'd give him 191 cm in 2010 to be safe as it's in between the minimum 6'3" and max 6'3.5" he was at that point.

2010 German photocall: Click Here (Dolph also stands well for once and Sly is not more than 6" shorter)
2010 UK premiere: Click Here Click Here Click Here Click Here
2010 Las Vegas Planet Hollywood screening: Click Here
2010 Ritz Hotel Paris w/ Dolph: Click Here

And as a bonus:

2014 Paris photocall w/ Statham: Click Here

I'm convinced Sly wasn't shorter than Statham and I think it's likely he was slightly taller, especially since he still appeared at least as tall or slightly taller in 2014 when I think a 1/4" loss is pretty likely, but Statham is close enough that considering Statham's posture often isn't very good while Sly has great posture, the difference could have never been much. Outside of his shoes looking flat and normal, if anyone wants, I can post examples of how Sly looks when he does wear lifts with Statham, which I think demonstrates pretty well that he's in normal shoes. Actually, Sly could look 175.5 to 176 cm back in 2010, such as with Dolph, but I think that's just the advantage of impeccable posture making him appear 1 cm taller than he really is at times since a flat 5'9" is the most I'd argue personally as I think he was likely anywhere from 174.5 to 175 cm(5'8.7"-5'8.9"). I think there's a chance that Sly is actually still as tall as Statham today as both could be 174, but it's a shame there are only walking pics from their meeting late last year.
Brad said on 15/Jul/17
He's an autograph dealer. His 401K is a few autographs. I think he's been banned from eBay or no credit card to do it. His photos were proof but sumthin' happened. Super M was cool. He shoulda had a Bronx Zoo flag with a G on it.
MJKoP said on 15/Jul/17
RisingForce: That is a very good point. I don't know exactly how good your memory is(though it seems rather intact!), but if you'll notice, Glenn gradually upped all his celeb estimates as the years went on. Though you say you think Glenn legitimately didn't know his own height - which may very well be true - but Brad's theory is(which he posted previously) is that Glenn DID indeed know he was under 5'7" and did everything he could to conceal it. Which might explain the "Portmans" and the "Volvo", along with all the upper-body shots where he is obviously tip-toeing or standing on a higher surface(or both!). It's pretty evident that as time went on, he knew he was closer and closer to being "caught" and being anything under his fantasy height of 5'8" would be literally(again!) the worst thing imaginable to him. That's why I tend to think that both you and Brad are correct. How? As a student of psychology, I see an inner struggle knowing deep down inside that he's not near 5'8", but not wanting to openly admit that to even himself. With his incessant posting her, his mind went into the most defensive mode possible and he was actually able to delude HIMSELF into believe his own fabrications. When he admitted to measuring 5'6.5" on one occasion(trying to illustrate a point about some hotly debated celebrity, but it backfired in the most devastating way possible), but chalked the measurement to being uneven floorboards and/or some quackity hack of a Doctor. Yeah, because it takes an MD of the most prestigious medical school to instruct someone to stand still and push a piece of plastic until it hits the top of their head. :P

Anyway, that's why Glenn agreed to meet with Rob. By that point he had adequately convinced himself that he had nothing to worry about and would never be exposed. I've witnessed many classical cases of cognitive dissonance, but this one stands head and shoulders(pun SO intended!) above them all.

After the meeting in New York he went into self-preservation mode, and clearly still is reeling from the experience today. At one point he said on here that Mel Gibson "is definitely between 5-7 and 5-8" saying that was "the most accurate estimate possible from someone who has seen him in person and would know the best"(not sure if those were the exact words he used, but I may NOT even be paraphrasing). Then about a year later it went to "5-8 or 5-9". Then "5-9 to 5-10". Now on facebook he insists Gibson is the 5'11" that Gibson himself allegedly claimed at one point(But where? Wouldn't Rob have that vital quote on Gibson's page?)

But since this page is about Stallone and all...Glenn once said that Stallone at five SEVEN was possible. No joke. To give you the full context, he was talking about Colin Farrell and in response to those who thought Farrell was under 5'10" he said "anything is possible. even Stallone at 5-7. but one thing is for sure.Colin isnt under the 5-11 i saw him at" So you see, he kinda sunk his own battleship while trying to make a point about Farrell. Now, of course, he staunchly purports 5'11" as Sylvester Stallone's true, official, present-day height. I mean, there's not one, but TWO shots of Sly looking a good three inches taller than Glenn...so Sly HAS to be 5'11"; there's no other conceivable way!!!! :D

And these two cases of inflation are hardly isolated examples. At one point he said Tom Cruise is "100% 5-6.75 to 5-7.25". Now, of course, Cruise is "5-9. Not under." Weirdly enough, he still has Brad Pitt at only 5'11", even describing them both as such in the same sentence(a matter of weeks ago, when someone was talking about Interview With the Vampire). Only a two inch difference, Glenn?!?! Oh, that's right - there aren't any head-on shots of you standing next to Pitt! If there were, Brad would be every bit of the six-foot-one that Clooney described him as.

And the list of G's not-so-subtle backpedaling just goes on, and on, and on......
Johan said on 15/Jul/17
Montana said on 12/Jul/17
Click Here

this is the closest Sly and Arnold might have ever looked on TV


Arnold isn't standing straight he is lowering himself. Pause at 3.39 min and look in the screen on stage, he has him by 4 inches.
Harris said on 15/Jul/17
Not to be funny or anything, but its barely even detectable to spot a quarter inch difference. To argue whether Sly was 5'8.75" or 5'9" peak is crazy talk! There's too many variables, for example his use of lifts, posture of others or himself, camera etc...I'd stick with 175 for peak and 173-174 today. He can still look over 5 8 even today!
MJKoP said on 14/Jul/17
Brad said on 13/Jul/17
G held a lot of power on this site and I can't figure out why.....his photos were a joke at 5' 6.5" with 5' 8" listed as the G height. Did G call people loosers (sic)? I bet he's a runner for Mead. I guess runnin' with autograph hunters can change your life, the ones in L.A. are real Stern wack packah types. The black guy with 5 teeth is my favorite.


Who, Beetlejuice? G would make an amazing wack packer...he could contact Howard and include a freeze frame of their two seconds of screentime together in "Private Parts". Yeah, "loosers" was pretty much his insult of choice; conjuring up everything he could possibly do to discredit anyone living on planet earth who dared defy him. Throwing whatever he could at the wall to boost his non-existent authority on x, y and z. In one of the actual phone conversations I had with him(circa 2008ish) he raged over Mamun's presence on the site, complaining that the 'SuperMun' and persona and cape made it so visitors wouldn't "take the site seriously". I've never seen so much audacity elsewhere in my entire life combined.

Nobody had a "looser" grip on reality than the 'G-Man'. Rob, you still up for cosplaying as Mister Freeman? Rise and shine...the Half-Life dude vs. the No-Life dude. :D
Editor Rob: Glenn certainly wasn't happy with that whole Mamoon situation.

He was worried he'd look a fool and that Mamoon would upstage him...Mamoon was infinitely easier to converse with and the whole cape and being aged 17 forever was just a bit of fun I suppose.

Didn't really effect the site, but can effect the site was insulting others...that leaves a worse impression than a guy dressed in a cape who never said anything bad or insulted people.

If Jenny makes me a costume, you never know, one day in the future I may turn up at a local convention as Gordon Freeman, though I'd probably have to trim back to a goatee.
RisingForce said on 14/Jul/17
Considering Weathers could still be a full 6'1"(see my April 19th post on Carl's page of Carl with Philip Winchester), Sly does look 5'8.5" there to me and I believe his shoes are normal, but even by merely having perfect posture, Sly is a guy who can look a bit taller so 5'8.25" is equally possible.

Arnold still had 3" max on Sly at the Terminator Genisys premiere as well. Video: Click Here Full pic: Click Here I'd bet they have similar shoes there as well. One reason I'm so convinced is the comparison I just posted of Sly in what I believe to be subtle lifts with Arnold only a year earlier in Macau(where Sly is wearing red and white). Even considering I'm pretty sure Sly lost 1/4" to 1/2" in that year, I think the difference is striking enough to demonstrate my point.
Des said on 14/Jul/17
In '98, a girl I met said she recently met Sly, & was shocked he was short. I replied no way, since he looks tall in movies, but she insisted he was not tall. She said he was MUCH shorter than me, & I'm exactly 174 cm / 5 foot 8.5 inches. My shoes would have added 1-2 cm, so I'd have been 175-176 cm. So my guess for Sly would be around 172-173 cm in shoes. That's accounting for the girl thinking he's much shorter, as to be fair, she was tiny (petite, low 5 foot range), so from her perspective, a small height difference would look large. So my guess for Sly is barefoot around 170-171 cm.
MJKoP said on 14/Jul/17
I'm going to let it all go now. Even though there's SOOO much more that I could say and show that would only further reinforce what I've already relayed to you, I'm sure that by now everyone can more than get the picture. I've gotten a LOT more joy from posting and contributing here than from any G interactions EVER, let alone post-2009. Rob actually has a brain in his head, and dealing with him never feels like a chore. With G, the "chore" was always tantamount to walking through an active minefield...one slight misstep, and you're incinerated. "Glenn, is it even remotely possible that you could be 5'7.9999999999999999999999999999999999999 instead of the full 5'8?" *KABOOM!!!!!!!* :D
loka said on 14/Jul/17
I think Rob is right with this Page : a good 174cm now and a strong 175cm peak...
RisingForce said on 14/Jul/17
MJKoP: Yeah, after I realized Glenn didn't know how tall he was himself and started to question more of his estimates, some of them became downright silly at times. For instance, saying Stallone, Mel Gibson, Colin Farrell etc. are 5'10" is one thing as that's how tall they claim and certainly can look with bigger footwear, but seeing Glenn now in Stallone's case(and would undoubtedly say the same for others as he estimates them all at 5'11" instead of their claimed 5'10") makes a point of saying NOT 5'9" OR 5'10", but 5'11", it gets ridiculous as he's literally now telling Sly himself, "no you're wrong, you're taller than you claim." It kind of reminds me of when he asked Gary Sinise how tall he was, Sinise replied he was 5'8" and Glenn said something to the effect of "you seem taller because I'm 5-8" and if I'm not mistaken, Glenn said Sinise just kind of looked at him. That always was a problem with Glenn and others like Frank2 have had it at times. An absolute certainty what they were saying was fact and not just an opinion open to error, albeit an educated one in that they had seen the person in question. It's one thing when you're friends with someone to not bring up a sensitive area like their height, but when you post on a website dedicated to it, your photos are being used as a reference and someone, perfectly innocently at times asks if you're certain about your height, it's certainly not a question to attack someone over.

@Montana: Good video, I forgot about that one. It's probably the best comparison we have of Sly next to Arnold back when Arnold was still pretty much at his peak height. Of course, Sly looks a good 5'10.5" or so, maybe 5'11" with a still near 6'1.5" Arnold so he must have lifts, but it's also obvious he's well over 5'7".
Brad said on 13/Jul/17
G held a lot of power on this site and I can't figure out why.....his photos were a joke at 5' 6.5" with 5' 8" listed as the G height. Did G call people loosers (sic)? I bet he's a runner for Mead. I guess runnin' with autograph hunters can change your life, the ones in L.A. are real Stern wack packah types. The black guy with 5 teeth is my favorite.
RisingForce said on 13/Jul/17
I agree, Rob. I also see 173-174 range with Weathers. MJKoP, I tend to agree with when Sly lost height. I don't think he lost anything through 2012 and The Expendables 2 and through the Expendables 3, I think we're talking 1/4" loss at most, but 2015 is when I think that Sly started looking more strong 5'8" than weak 5'9". I don't think he's gotten shorter since 2015. I still say he's probably only lost half an inch, maybe 2 cm tops. Not bad for 70+, but then he's still in incredible shape and has great posture. As for Glenn, I got along with him because we had some common ground like music, but I noticed he likes to think it's a competition of how much music he knows or owns. I'm not crazy about that mindset since it's just supposed to be about enjoyment for me. I would say I think Rob's right to maybe not go for screencaps and all that simply because you said you have anxiety, so do you really need to be worrying about someone you don't think very highly of? I'd actually say the same thing to Glenn and his silly Andrew Garfield post calling Rob a "height troll" for listing Garfield 5'10.5" instead of the 5'11" Glenn thinks he is. These back and forth arguments, especially indirectly through the internet will be much more stressful and nasty than they need be.

@Real Anonymous: Thanks, I appreciate your comments as well.
MJKoP said on 13/Jul/17
I hit the "submit" button too soon, but the last thing I just wanted to add is that I am SO sorry to EVERYONE here for representing pure scum for all those years. Let's try to move on, no?

As for Stallone, 5'11" is total nonsense(boy do I feel liberated being able to say that!), I think the most he conceivably could've been was a tiny hair over 5'9" at peak. Realistically, though, he was likely never anything over 5'9", if even that. Today, he's nothing more than what Rob has him listed as, with a decent chance of him being a wee bit less. Still don't see under 5'8" anytime soon.
MJKoP said on 13/Jul/17
Forgot to add: Even if some third(fourth or fifth) party would so much as "like" a reply on fb of someone who was politely telling Glenn that what he was saying is completely uncalled for, he'd STILL unleash his vitriolic practices on literally anyone his limited convoluted mind deemed to be an "enemy", when they had absolutely no involvement in whatever debate or argument otherwise.
Note: I realize that the adverb "literally" may very well be the most overused and therefore misused word in the English language, but I have no choice but to continue implementing it into my descriptions, because what I'm describing might otherwise be LITERALLY unbelievable. It's simply that he is LITERALLY the most undiplomatic and uncivil person I have ever encountered(and that is actually saying a LOT!).

I am ashamed and embarrassed to have stood by him for so long, but I need to admit my own mistakes and blunders by being brutally honest about everything.
Editor Rob: I'm certainly a little bit surprised at the 180 degree turn, as I know over the years you were a vehement supporter. I admire your honesty about it.

I wouldn't feel ashamed over it, we all can look back at periods in life and think 'what the hell were we doing', be it a relationship, friend, job or interest.

Sometimes you reach a tipping point and realise enough is enough and that it's time to move on. On this page, maybe it is also best we do that too (which is why I advise against linking to any screencaps 👍).
Montana said on 12/Jul/17
Click Here

this is the closest Sly and Arnold might have ever looked on TV
MJKoP said on 12/Jul/17
I know you have no reason to believe me, Rob, but I 100% did post that on his wall. Scouts' honor(w/ three fingers). You can check my fb page and see he's no longer on my lists of connections. I would've screencapped it, but I sent it and then blocked him before I had the chance. I'm sure it's deleted by now, and by the time I realized that I hadn't documented it properly(about literally one second after I blocked him), it was too late, and figured it would be in my best of interests to force myself to ignore whatever juvenile and mean-spirited retaliations he'd no doubt try to muster up. I only had a copy of the text I wrote because I typed it up in an MS Word Document so I wouldn't accidentally hit the "enter" key prematurely...as I've done many a time in the "passed". ;)

It was a daily occurrence that this social reject would instigate fights with those on music groups, 100% unprovoked. Someone would say, 'I personally prefer X to Y' and G would immediately butt in and colorfully express why the dude's opinion was completely wrong. And then continue to up the ante when someone would call him out for an unwarranted personal attack, culminating in a hateful back and forth(mostly "forth", if you catch my drift) exchange that could for last hours on end. I've lost count of how many times he'd dwell on someone not having a profile picture "loser coward who wont show his face hiding behind a screen talks big but doesnt know **** about anything" or when they DO have pictures, Glenn will pull no punches in saving and uploading whatever public photos the poor sap has; Glenn going on about how fat, ugly, disgusting him/her and their spouses and children are....all while his Gary Oldman(some irony in that name) duckfaced pic from the early 1990's remains his cherished avatar to this very day.

And when the Discovery Channel would post a promotional video about an upcoming BigFoot documentary? Fuggedaboutit!!!

I'm not even joking or exaggerating about ANY of this. This is actually the type of guy we were dealing with around here. Glenn apparently blackmailed Rob into deleting numerous comments and even banning multiple users, threatening to take all of his pictures with him. Glenn Cunningham is the epitome of what is wrong the Internet as well as our society as a whole.

I honestly think that Rob's facetious headline: 'Scottish Man found bludgeoned to death in hotel by Stadiometer.' is way closer to the truth than anyone would ever want to acknowledge or accept.

Go the Billie Joe Armstrong page and read the log from "Billie Joe Armstrong said on 7/Sep/06" to "Glenn said on 4/Dec/06". I was "anonymous" on 11/Oct/06 and 14/Oct/06; hopefully y'all can recognize my writing style. That was probably my very first EVER post on celebheights, or at least the first time I ever addressed Glenn. Should've trusted my gut instinct from more than a decade ago.

I still may not agree with everything Brad does and says, but I'll graciously concede that he had G down to a T before any of us ever did.
Editor Rob: I haven't read many old comments on here, but I read those you mentioned and it is a good example of G being quick with the insult and cussing.

If you feel somebody insults your intelligence, or they have a different opinion of music, there are better ways of handling it than flying off the handle!

As for Stallone's height...till mid 60's I feel he held onto his height pretty well, but last 5 years I think he succumbed to losses.
MJKoP said on 12/Jul/17
Also, I can't believe I wrote "passed" instead of "past". Perhaps I really DID have way too much G exposure. Well, we all know for a fact that "G" doesn't stand for Grammar. ;P
THE REAL ANNONYMOUS said on 12/Jul/17
Hey MJKoP... its good you stood up for yourself. Life is to short to take abuse like people like little G
I got banned a couple of times because i wouldn't take his BS... Little G was the classic keyboard warrior that would
crap his pants if you ever ran into him.

Hey Rising you always bring up good points and i respect the detail and thoughts you take the time to post in here
loka said on 12/Jul/17
what do you think Rob ? Would you give Sly the 1 cm that he seems to have over you ?

Click Here
Editor Rob: beside Carl I can't see Sly any less than 173 minimum, and 174 is possible with him.
Brad said on 12/Jul/17
Weak 5-8 but that Serena shot is amazing. I hated G height lies. If I met him I'd gab about Festah, Blinky and the rest of the 30 Rock "wack pack" from '83 I bumped into. He shoulda put a Nikon around his neck and Pap'd the real non red carpet stuff like Tupac. More money there, you hold the negative rights. Hey, I voted for Trump, G knows Trump got things done in the Big Apple. On welfare? Rare Trump supporter indeed. What is "his wall"? Dreyfuss wanted like 70 bills at the Hollywood Show last Saturday.....I was told he needs loot bad and does shows all over. Didn't look happy, Beav' and Wally did.
andre said on 12/Jul/17
stallone no more then 169cm 170cm barefoot at night with lift he reach 179cm
RisingForce said on 12/Jul/17
loka, Sly, this year and Rob are very close in height, that's for sure. Both solid 5'8". Although both Sly and Weathers stand straight in the shot of them while both Carl and Rob are leaning so it's not an exact comparison. But as Weathers is still around 6'1", Sly isn't under 5'8" with him. Likely 5'8.25"-5'8.5", imo and probably would still just edge out Rob.

Real Anonymous, I agree on Sly's height. Not under 5'8", but debatable whether he reached a full 5'9", though I think he was at least close to it. But while I think 1 cm, maybe half inch lifts can be virtually undetectable, I have to disagree when we get up to an inch. I'm not going to say it's impossible as I don't have access to the resources Sly does, but I'll say I believe with some types of shoes, it's far less likely than him being liftless. For basically any recognizable celeb, not just Sly, money isn't really an issue as they're all worth tens or hundreds of millions, while even expensive shoes are hundreds to a few thousands. Take Tom Cruise for instance who has the same resources. He'll have subtle 1.8"-2" type elevator shoes at times that almost nobody will notice, but the signs are there as the front isn't so flat and if his pant leg comes up, you can see his ankle is high while the shoes aren't as low cut as some dress shoes. Rob posted an example of Tom on a talk show recently. There are examples where midsole technology gets you more height out of the same size lift, but in some cases where Sly's pant leg has been up enough to show they're low cut and the heel on the shoe isn't even as big as some normal dress shoes, I see no real benefit to doing that since that's the type of detail not all celebheights users will pick up on, much less ordinary people. I can't think of anything that could make one's ankle not appear too high as well, so in at least the cases where the ankle is visible, I'd rule it out. In cases like the pic of Sly above with his brother back to back, that's a shoe that looks pretty normal, but could be an elevator. That type of shoe wouldn't surprise me, but those flatter ones with no type of an angle, I just don't see much. I think it adds up a lot better as well because there's a big difference between Sly when we see him in lifts and when we at least think he's liftless. Take the Guardians of the Galaxy premiere for instance. You guessed those at 2.5"-3" among viewing, I said I believe 2.5"-2.7" so we largely agreed on the range. And he's looking at least a solid 5'10" in them, yet in a lot of the dress shoes months before, he's looking closer to 5'8", maybe 5'8.5" tops. This was similar to when Sly first started wearing more normal looking footwear again around the first Expendables. You take any event in dress shoes and he's a couple of inches shorter than 5'11" guys like Bruce Willis and Mickey Rourke and maybe barely edging a guy like Statham at 5'8.5", but then he brings the Hogan shoes out of retirement at Comic Con 2010 and suddenly he's at least as tall as 5'11" minimum Randy Couture. However, there are examples where Sly has done something at least similar to what I think you're talking about.

At this 2014 event, his shoes look normal at first glance, but he looks taller than he usually does in normal shoes: Click Here
Similar at this event at the end of 2014: Click Here

Actually, the second one with Tom Jones may be an even better example since I do think you can see those aren't as low cut or quite the same as a lot of his dress shoes. Those are cases where I think Sly had subtle lifts, but then he looks around 5'10". He actually looked at least as tall with Tom Jones that day as Mel Gibson did in cowboy boots and there are videos of the event to confirm all this, so this all does suggest he's worn some very subtle lifts. But remember, not all of Sly's shoes are custom, or even elevator shoes. Outside of the Hogan sneakers, there are also those Prada shoes he's worn at times in recent years. It's odd because he looked taller than Van Damme in them and not too much shorter than Arnold, who had a decent heel himself. Those are fairly low cut, but he looked closer to Van Damme's height in the dress shoes and farther from Arnold's height. I do think we have to look carefully at Sly's shoes before assuming anything, but I really think he's been liftless a lot the last 8 or so years.

MJKoP, when I was still in touch with Glenn, I did think he could get upset over some childish and petty things that really surprised me. I have nothing against Glenn to this day, but he can be a difficult guy to get along with over some stuff that I thought was a non-issue. I know he has his demons, as we all have ours and I think his manifest themselves in stress or lashing out.
MJKoP said on 12/Jul/17
I am so, so sorry you had to put up with him(and to some extent, ME) for all of that time. I wouldn't wish that torture upon ANYONE, let alone someone trying to earn a decent living via maintaining a reputable and informative website.

Yes, Rob...enough was enough. As my final message to him, I posted the following on his public wall, attached the glenn-cunningham image shown at the bottom of "The Big Grapple" article, and then "thumbs-upped" my own post in small twist of irony. And of course proceeded to block him immediately thereafter. Before that, he had PM'd me saying:

"Admit it Adam,your ADHD is to be taken into consideration.also,many thanks for making me look like an asshole when I'm about to promote myself on a project,when people are probably reading our thread.I screen shot my comments for you here.because I'm deleting the whole fight now."

I should've replied with:

"Even the world's highest-ranking expert in linguistics and most effective lawyer ever working together 24/7 couldn't possibly make you look more like an asshole than you continually make *yourself* look."

But here's what I really wrote on his wall:

Okay, "G"....you just blew your very last chance to apologize and redeem yourself as being worth anything. You had a very strong ally and advocate in me, but you seem very intent upon burning your bridges behind you and sabotaging yet another relationship. Part of me pities your struggles, but none of your anxiety and panic disorders excuse acting like an utter asshole to anybody and everybody. Going on music groups and calling someone a "****ing idiot" because they expressed an opinion that doesn't coincide with that of your own? I'd ask you if you were out of your mind, but I already know the answer to that. You've exhausted any sympathy I might've had left for you. You really think you convinced me bigfoot exists? I was playing you for the fool that you are this entire time because I knew it would inevitably come down to this. You were so easy to manipulate - it's pathetic. I have a nice collection of fb screengrabs from years passed that I will now post on celebheights.com to demonstrate that you haven't learned or changed one bit since Rob perma-banned you for the 2nd time. You are a joke of the worst kind imaginable. A half-Latino guy on welfare who voted for Trump? Don't even get me started. Any benevolent Asperger-y(never officially diagnosed with it, but I wish I was because so many great and successful people have it) symptoms I might display are child's play compared to the rage and hostility and emotional instabilities emitting from you. I don't know if any professional would or could treat you. I'm blocking you now, but good luck trying to track down my alt-account in your 1,100+ "friends", erm, people you are connected to on fb. I will make sure Rob's "Big Grapple" article goes viral....I'm sure many of your big-name acquaintances will see it(Awkward!). You know, those stars you stalk and pester until they feel sorry enough to scribble their names with a sharpie on a 6x8. Have fun living the rest of your natural life leeching off of those who actually did something with theirs, wondering why nobody genuinely cares about you. I know you're also delusional enough to believe in an afterlife, so maybe you'll get luckier next time. And don't try to get beaten up again by Stallone, Gibson, or Phoenix. Adios, sucker! PS. I don't have ADHD. Never diagnosed or exhibited any symptoms. I have anxiety(like you, and caused by people like you) as well as depression(ditto).
Editor Rob: Yes, I am trying to earn a living, by providing an entertaining site.

Sometimes I succeed, other times I fail at it. Certainly can be interesting work at times!

If you posted that message and photo on his wall, he certainly would be absolutely fuming 👹...god help the flies on his walls and the eggshells that would have been stomped upon that night! 😨

I remember getting an earful by email several times over the years, especially when there was some mild disagreements, or *shock*, somebody had the audacity to question he might measure 5ft 7. 😱

I would caution though on something - maybe best to hold off on any screencaps... 👍
MJKoP said on 11/Jul/17
Hey, Brad(and Rob and all other pertinent parties): I had a serious wake-up call today. I'd like to apologize to you; I owe you one, big time. No joke. I've hated Glenn for a very long time without even fully realizing it...until now, that is. You were well within your bounds to say everything you said to and about him...and then some. Same thing goes for me, because my blind delusions of allegiance to him. I'll let some pictures do the talking. Btw, that was my 3rd post in about 1/2 an hour, and the only one that asked for or warranted a reply. Before that, I hadn't commented in weeks because of....well, I think you can all see why. And, yes, that is him liking his own post just like he does for literally all of his two dozen-plus(no exaggeration) daily wall posts.

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Editor Rob: you mean, after all these years you unfriended him?

I can empathise with the volatility of Glenn as I dealt with it here and in probably a thousand emails over the course of the 4 years he was active.

Going off the handle at friends the way he seems to do, and over something as petty as a comment on a Bigfoot* video, is a bit 😲

* actually I seen Glenn mention it as "not a Bigfoot,but certainly is a hairy hominid of the most sinister kind.as it was proven to be impossible to hoax,eyeball wise."

Maybe this Hairy Hominid is just a Sinister 'TV License' Inspector, peering through people's windows looking to see if anybody is watching BBC One without a TV license 😱
loka said on 11/Jul/17
I did this... I don't know if it's legit or not.

Rob, Sly and Weathers !

I think it shows that sly has 1 cm (perhaps a little more) on Rob (who is a strong 173 cm).

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Pierre said on 11/Jul/17
@RisingForce=RisingForce you write Ellen is a solid 5"8',who has measured her?

He said solid 5'6", and I don't think she's even that low.
Frankie68 said on 11/Jul/17
I agree with real annonyomous ,, if serena is in fact 5'9 ,, Sly would be 5'7 flat ,, cause like real annonyomous said ,, 1inch heel & 1 inch lift ,, his foot does pivot ,,not much to be fair ,, but it does pivot up ,, shes in really flat shoes ,, & appears to big a much bigger person body wise ,, he looks frail next to her ,, theres no way hes 5'8 1/2 just because of the 1 inch heel ,, so if he has a lift in that shoe ,, he will clearly be 5'7 ,,,
RisingForce said on 11/Jul/17
I agree, Parker, loka and Richard, but I do think we have to see photos with feet visible or videos to determine how tall Sly actually looks in lifts. Otherwise, there's photos like this: Click Here If Tom Arnold hadn't lost any noticeable height by late 40s then he'd be 6'2" in his sneakerss and Sly appears slightly taller in what were by no means 3.5"-4". This is the type of reason I erred years ago in thinking Sly was a legit 5'10". Similar here with 6'0"-6'0.25" Denzel Washington: Click Here Click Here (Sly had Hogan sneakers, so maybe 2.5"-2.7" with lifts, so he couldn't have actually been standing 6'0.5"-6'1" in them)

There are quite a few others like that where Sly manages something similar. In 2010, Sly managed to look taller than 6-foot Adrien Brody in pics as well. But there wide shots and video comparisons that show Sly genuinely passing for about 5'11", in fact, Rob use to have a note on this page that mentioned Sly could pass for that height. I just posted the 2010 Comic Con pics and videos where Sly seems at least as tall as Randy Couture, who Rob lists 5'11.5". Granted, Couture looks to have more 2 cm type shoes while Sly has his Hogan sneakers and Couture could be more 5'11"-5'11.25" himself, but there's plenty of evidence of Sly being able to look that height.

Bruce Willis is still somewhere 180 cm range, imo. Whether he's still a full 5'11" or has dropped to 5'10.75" is the question, but those pics were from 2006 and 2010, respectively. Arnold was a solid six footer in 2006, but I'd say more weak 6 footer by 2010, perhaps already into that 5'11.5"-5'11.75" range. Mickey Rourke more a solid or flat 5'11", don't know about today.

How tall Sly passes on here depends on how tall you think Vince McMahon was at 59 years old: Click Here Click Here

I think Vince was still near 6'1". There's pretty good video footage of Sly and Hulk Hogan that day as well: Click Here If Hulk was about 6'3.5" then I'd say Sly passes for about 5'11" with him.

As for Sly's arms, well in that Playboy interview in '78, he claimed to have a 73 inch reach, but that's the same interview he claimed to be 5'10.75" in so take that for what you will, but I do think Sly has a relatively long torso/arms and relatively short legs. Not disproportionately short as we saw barefoot next to his wife Jennifer, but it made him a perfect candidate for lifts as that made his legs match his relatively long torso. Particularly when Sly bulked up from about 2004-2008 and was between 190-215 pounds plus wearing lifts everywhere, he gave the illusion of a legitimately big man. If you see him by himself in the last Rambo for instance, I would have thought he was a six footer. Mel Gibson is pretty similar. You can see this in the gym photos when he got in shape for Expendables 3.

But I would add one thing to what Parker said. Sly went liftless a lot between late 2008/early 2009 and 2014, but would still wear big footwear on some occasions for promo appearances, usually more casual ones and he did appear liftless at virtually every event between 2015 and early 2017, but he clearly decided to wear them for Guardians of the Galaxy. He pulls off looking taller than his brother Frank here: Click Here As long as Frank is still relatively close to the 5'10.5" Rob lists him at, Sly can still easily pass for over 5'10". Same thing here with Michael Rooker, who is listed here at 5'9", but probably 5'8.5" these days: Click Here

So I think Parker was right about Sly being liftless, but it looks like he's started again for Guardians. I don't know of one 5'7" man who can pass that height so he's still clearly somewhere between 5'8" and 5'8.5". As for Serena, McEnroe and Lindsay Davenport apparently thought she was 5'10.5"-5'11". She's obviously not, but she could definitely be 176 cm. Serena in heels has made an apparently 6-foot Common look quite small.
Pierre said on 11/Jul/17
@RisingForce=RisingForce you write Ellen is a solid 5"8',who has measured her?
bernie said on 11/Jul/17
We know Frankie68's opinion is 170cm, maybe right maybe not..; but wachting the pic with S. Williams, ok hes a tad shorter, but for S. Williams at least to me 175cm is not enough. Standing besides Mcenroe (180cm) , shes nearly his height, max. 1inch difference. Standing straight shoulder to shoulder with Angelique Kerber, Serena has easily 3 inches on her, significantly longer legs, much higher shoulders. Shes more 5'10" than 5'9"! Can't see also much height advantage concerning sly's shoes.., so 5'7" does not fit....
THE REAL ANNONYMOUS said on 10/Jul/17
The Serena Williams pics are quite interesting. Thanks for posting them Parker.
I think its is quite possible that Sly could have a one inch lift in that shoe. I think that shoe could be built up not quite like a high top but enough where the back of the foot did'nt stick out and the shoes look relatively normal. Sly has the very best Taylors and shoe makers and money is not an issue.
I cant see him being under 5'8...
I think he has proven to be the hardest guy to be pinned down regarding height.
Regardless of his height ive been a huge fan since Rocky 1
RichardSpain said on 10/Jul/17
Parker, thanks for sharing with us the pics. As we can see Sly is near 5'11 with lifts sure.

174 cm barefoot. So lifts give him around 5 cm .

And our friend Willis is under 5'11 nowadays maybe he is a strong 179cm .
Arnold 181 /182 cm sure.

Good team and good moments gave us
Loka said on 10/Jul/17
I agree with Parker. And I add : a 5.7 guy could have Never entered the ring against Carl Weathers or Dolph Lundgren... Never... Even not Antonio Tarver in Rocky 6. His arms in Over The Top have Never appeared short also. His 5.9 daughters and wife are not way taller than him in any pic. Several pics of him barefeet with his wife show the same 5.9 height. All in all, 175 cm peak and 174 now is the most rational height we could give. This being said, i saw on the web, myself, people claiming he is only 5.7 But i really dont see how it's possible. He Never appeared That short in any pics even barefoot. Brigit Nielsen said the truth : 174-175. And with HGH it's not sure That Sly lost a whole centimeter yet.
Brad said on 10/Jul/17
His Rambo boots in each film built him up big time.
RichardSpain said on 10/Jul/17
I watched movie "first Blood" last weekend and to me Sly seems 179 cm in his boots next to Crenna, also Stallone always with his" tall hair" good advantage and trick!

So ...175/176cm in peak to Silvester Stallone is very credible not less.

Nowadays he is under 175cm it is sure, but the question is ; how tall is Silvester today?
well , no difficult guess it because he seems taller than 170cm but smaller than 175 cm,so we can give him today 173 cm barefoot.
Parker said on 10/Jul/17
@Frankie - You are entitled to your opinion but a 5'7 guy could never pull off 6ft unless he's on stilts
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In fact, he looks to have virtually dispensed with lifts completely in recent years. If you put even 1cm in those shoes with Serena his heel would be falling out of the back of the shoe - the outer heel looks less than an inch to me. 5'8 - 5'8.5 looks bang on the nose for his height.Only my opinion of course.
RisingForce said on 9/Jul/17
Look at how Sly looks these days on video with Ellen who is a solid 5'6": Click Here And here's a photo from that appearance: Click Here If Sly were 5'7", even today, he'd be just a little taller, instead, you can see he still clears 5'8" in comparison. And just to show, he had flat shoes: Click Here To show how we know he wasn't wearing lifts a lot of the times, here's another appearance on Ellen: Click Here Flat and low cut. And on that appearance, he went with flat, liftless shoes without much of a heel even with 6'3" Gabby Reece appearing on the show.

He's somewhere right around Rob's listings and the average guesses of 164 people. There's a mountain of evidence to support this at this point. I'm not concerned with whether someone wants to guess 5'8.5" or 5'9" peak or 5'8" flat or 5'8.5" today, or somewhere inbetween either, but the 5'7" stuff is baseless. You hear it for countless average to low average leading men and action stars, both past and present.
loka said on 9/Jul/17
There are several Pics of sly and serena williams both in flat shoes and they don't really show serena towering over sly. I'm not sure at all that Serena is a real 5.9 girl... She looks more 176-177 cm when she's next to Nadal and Federer for example. Not saying that Sly is over 5.9 but Serena is an athlete who downgrades a bit her height IMO. The Pics confort me that Sly could still be around 175 cm Guy even at 71...

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Brad said on 9/Jul/17
Rambo boots wedged up each film. The Serena knock-out photo. Yes, weak 5' 8", maybe 5-7 and 7/8....yes under 5-8.
RisingForce said on 9/Jul/17
Only Frankie could see Sly at 5'7" there and could see a possibility of lifts in shoes that thin. He really wants Sly to be 5'7". Those are thinner type dress shoes, similar to the ones he wore with Gibson, who had at least 1.5" heels, btw. Serena is a solid 5'9", possibly 176 cm as the average guess on her page is actually above that. Add near a 1/4" for her flats and she's between 5'9.25"-5'9.5". Sly isn't any shorter so given 0.8"-1" type shoes, he's 5'8" minimum and 5'8.5" max today, just like everyone without an agenda thought.
RisingForce said on 9/Jul/17
Brad, I posted one sometime probably within the last 5 years of Sly on his toes with his wife in heels, so he has done it. Probably more than that, but that's the clear shot I remember. Funny thing is Snipes and Kellan Lutz were doing it with Sly!

berta, I always thought he looked an easy 5'11" in that film, if not slightly taller, but his boots were noticeably bigger than in Rambo 2 when he didn't look that much shorter with a tall cast, but was shorter than Rambo 3. It also helped that Sly had gained 13-15 pounds of muscle since Rambo 2. A poster on a Stallone forum bought the Rambo 3 boots at an auction and confirmed they had lifts in them - he didn't say how big. But he measures up quite well to 6'1" Richard Crenna in the film. Not even 2" at times. Crenna could have lost a small fraction of course, but since he looked good and fit at 60 and had good posture, he may have not lost anything. Fwiw, in this on set photo, Sly looks 5'11" if David Morrell was the 5'9.5" he told me he was back then: Click Here If you're wondering about Morrell's impression of Sly's height he told me that Sly struck him as being the same height as he was, but the "sturdy Rambo boots", as he called them, made Stallone taller.
Frankie68 said on 9/Jul/17
Great pics with serena williams !! He's clearly shorter than her & her flats give here no height advantage at all & sly has dress shoes on with a minimum 1 inch heel & a very possible surprise inside the shoe !!! He's 5'7 flat !!
berta said on 9/Jul/17
i saw rambo 3 yesterday and if i wouldnt know better i would have thought he was almost 180 cm tall. But of course that was because of perfect posture and lifts
burby said on 8/Jul/17
Weak 5'8" next to Serena in flats...
Brad said on 8/Jul/17
I've never seen the "on toes" Stallone. I wonder if one exists. Good shot with Serena, 5' 8" he is.
RisingForce said on 8/Jul/17
Slim, shhhh, people are going to start thinking we're the same person...I'm even what you could call slim myself! But I'm 181 cm only in my dreams, or possibly with very large heels and lifts!

I'd say he was weak 5'9" range, likely through at least the first 2 Expendables. I give him the range Brigitte Nielsen did now. 175 would be 5'8.9" and between 174-175 would be 5'8.75". That looks right to me and I could see him holding onto that possibly as late as 2014, but then definitely lost some height in 2015 and is now somewhere in the 173-174 range, imo. I saw him in normal shoes enough with guys like Statham, Van Damme and Snipes to know he wasn't shorter and is definitely taller than a guy like Banderas. He couldn't have been much less to pull off 5'10.5"-5'11" regularly in those Hogan sneakers, which Rob concurred could have given him maybe 2.5"-2.7" with lifts, but no more as they're too low cut and he'd be falling out of them with any more of a lift. The shortest he could be peak and currently, imo would be 5'8.5" and 5'8", respectively.
RisingForce said on 8/Jul/17
Parker, I'd definitely say 6" minimum on Hart. In the photo you posted, posture is similar to mine, but Hart seems to be closer as the photo is taken from his side. Hart is leaning a bit again, but he's standing in front of Sly: Click Here Sly had a looser stance himself in this pic, you can drop height in your hips if you turn to the side like this: Click Here

I agree he's the height listed, Parker. Possibly down to 5'8.25" barefoot, but then 5'8.5" still looks possible at times as well. Those are thin shoes, perhaps even just 2 cm type though Serena has probably 1/4" type flats. It's difficult finding a pic where there's no noticeable camera advantage or posture advantage, but I think this one should give a pretty good idea: Click Here Both are dropping some height there, Sly in his upper body, Serena in her legs. He's 1 cm max taller in their footwear, but the footwear difference is bigger than 1 cm so Serena is a fraction taller than Sly these days. Unfortunately, I couldn't find video of the two, that would really tell us, but good find regardless.
Slim 181 cm said on 8/Jul/17
RisingForce, I guess we agree on Stallone as well...

Definitely ticked off 5'8.5, but was he ever a weak to medium 5'9??
Parker said on 8/Jul/17
I think Hart is losing height in your pic Rising, I reckon he's 5-6 inches shorter than Stallone.
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As listed IMO. He may just hit 5'9 in the footwear he has with Venus, but I doubt they give him anything over an inch.
Brad said on 7/Jul/17
DeNiro has shrunk. He's never been a lift guy. Sly's wedged up boxing shoes in each Rocky are obvious. Guess he wanted to top DeNiro in the ring.
RisingForce said on 7/Jul/17
Frankie is running out of material. I've already shown Sly without lifts in Cop Land to be slightly taller than a 5'8.5" De Niro in 1997 and noticeably taller now. He's actually right about De Niro's height. These days he's 171 cm, imo and probably 5'7.5" for Grudge Match and Sly in dress shoes was at least 1.5" taller: Click Here Even De Niro's hat doesn't make him as tall. Sly was an inch taller than Arkin too: Click Here Note Sly also has 7" on Kevin Hart who doesn't even come up to Sly's nose. Still 5'8.5" minimum in 2013.

Brad, that's gotta be mostly Sly on toes and/or positioning himself closer to the camera, which others like Pitt, Vin Diesel and Mel Gibson have a habit of doing. We always must see their feet!
Brad said on 6/Jul/17
Who is this masked Michael Jackson? Are you associated with the Bronx G? A female? Ever see the photo of G with Abe Vigoda? That's my G fave photo cause he looks confused by Abe and he got shined for a graph. G coulda made more munny taking 35MM candids than graphs. He'd own the negative rights. Most of his shots are non red carpet, the ones magazines want. I sold some 110 Kodak strip negatives for a ton. Bundy n me, man (or lady) you really are getting wild. Feb. '75 Winter High School break, Victorian house with rooms with bunk beds for $15 a night. He was in another room shacked with his next prize though I checked photos, she wasn't missing. The rare things he said to me was "I don't ski" and "This F'er hates snow, I carry chains". "You can't do S here after skiing under 18 so why are you here?", "That cookie shop is cool" (years later I laughed and thought of Anthony Perkins saying "That cookie shop is killer")."I like Oly (Olympia Beer)" I remember telling Matt Lauer (he was in my home room at GHS) you ought to check that place out this winter but under 18 it sucks in Aspen. Leonardo ought to curl his hair and star in the movie. He could use the cookie shop line. Great shot Rising of Sly and a legit 6' 3.5" Chevy Chase...that might be the most baffling shot of Sly I've seen! A 5' 8.5"er! On toes? Mega boots by an Italian shoemaker? I stood next to Chevy in '08, he's legit tall. I'm in L.A. now for another Hollywood Show. Maybe Super Mamun will show up. Except the Beav, it is the same tired guests and higher autograph prices. Hey Supe, they need to get Ray Courts to ramp up his shows in Burbank again....this one is getting worse.
Frankie68 said on 6/Jul/17
Anybody in this forum ever look at the pics from grudge match ,, A 5'9 alan arkin clearly taller than Stallone ,, even in his laughable wedged up boxing shoes !! Alan Arkin is wearing very ordinary shoes ! Furthermore , sly bearly edges out a very shrunk 5'7 -5'7 1/2 Robert DeNiro in that same pic !! DeNiro's boxing shoes are as flat as a dime & Sly's are wedged up to the max !!! 5'7 for me Max for Sly !!! DeNiro has shrunk horribly & has the worst posture ive ever seen !! Look up the pics ,, go to grudge match 's pics !! Very evident !!!
MJKoP said on 6/Jul/17
Brad said on 5/Jul/17
Joe Walsh for president. Gee saying both Spears will turn into foxes is a nice thing to say. I met Ted Bundy in Aspen in '75 (not joking) he was in the same flop house when I was ski bumming. He wasn't creepy. He drove a beat up Herbie VW n loved the cookie shop. Yes, he had females around him. When I found out later...man! I'm not a teenage Lou Costello lookalike. I'd do a photo but my computer is too old to attach. Maybe soon to Rob to attach. Mamun was really cool. He lloked like Super Mamun! Where'd he go?

LOL, and you made fun of Glenn for *his* spelling and gramm....WAIT - did you just compare yourself to TED FREAKING BUNDY?!?!?!?!?!?! I think I should make peace with you now, Brad, before I end up in.....pieces. :O
RisingForce said on 5/Jul/17
No you can't, Frankie. Read Rob's page on elevator shoes. Sly didn't have anywhere near a 1.5" heel at Cannes, more like 1" just like Gibson and a 1" lift will show a bulge in that type of shoe. You could just as easily assume Gibson was in lifts, but there's no proof either was. Video is better than pics are as well and you can find pics of either looking taller, which suggests they're very close. At the one event you obsess over and misrepresent, Gibson himself had these heeled boots: Click Here while Sly had these flat dress shoes: Click Here That's an absolute minimum 1 cm footwear advantage for Mel. Btw, You never support any of your ridiculous assertions and if you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that a 1.5" heel and 1" lift doesn't get you 2.5" because of your foot pivoting. Most people think Sly and Gibson are or were within a fraction of each other. They managed to make Sly in Cobra measure up at least as well to Brigitte Nielsen as Mel Gibson did to Sigourney Weaver, who is shorter than Brigitte. Plus, Sly measured up better to Kurt Russell and Sly in cowboy boots was more than inch taller than Geoffrey Lewis in Tango and Cash while Gibson in cowboy boots was shorter in Maverick. Sly had bigger heels, but it's more proof they had to be close in height. Sly was 174.5 to 175 cm range while Gibson should be around 175.3 cm and Sly has lost at least 1 cm at this point, while Gibson may have not lost anything, or at worst, a 1/4" since late 2015 since he's a decade younger than Sly. You'll keep your baseless assertions going, but Sly will keep being listed here around these heights because that's what the evidence supports. But of course, you know his height better than his wife Brigitte does since she only saw him regularly without shoes for several years and filmed 2 movies with him.

even, Sly only claimed to be close to 5'11" once and never claimed the full 5'11". He's mostly claimed 5'10" and for a decade was claiming 5'10.5" at times. Most actors Sly's height will claim to be at least as tall as he did, many make worse claims, whether celebrities or otherwise. A 5'8.75"-5'9" action star or any leading man claiming 5'10" almost doesn't even register for height lies. But Sly has been described taller. A 8/21/81 Herald and Review article described him

"although "Sly" Stallone is 5-foot, 11-inches tall."

Maybe if I alert Sly to this article so he can frame it, he'll reward me with an autograph and photo! :) But this 1/23/77 Detroit Free Press article explains why people have considered him short

"This 30-year-old actor is slimmer in person than he looks on screen. And he looks like a six-footer on screen but he really is only 5 feet 10."

As you can see, that writer expected him 6 feet. Even 5'10" seemed short to that writer in comparison to Stallone's heroic onscreen image. Of course, with Sly never more than 5'9", the surprise would be even greater for anyone expecting him to be a six footer.
Brad said on 5/Jul/17
Joe Walsh for president. Gee saying both Spears will turn into foxes is a nice thing to say. I met Ted Bundy in Aspen in '75 (not joking) he was in the same flop house when I was ski bumming. He wasn't creepy. He drove a beat up Herbie VW n loved the cookie shop. Yes, he had females around him. When I found out later...man! I'm not a teenage Lou Costello lookalike. I'd do a photo but my computer is too old to attach. Maybe soon to Rob to attach. Mamun was really cool. He lloked like Super Mamun! Where'd he go?
MJKoP said on 5/Jul/17
Brad said on 4/Jul/17
He Jax I admire yer honesty. Both Spears are fox. Word up to the G and MJKoP.

"Are" being the key word. Not "were". *Any* dude in his late 40's or 50's describing a 15 year old female as "fox" is incredibly creepy, irregardless of the stuff you say about Glenn and heights. It might actually help your case at this point if you were to admit to being just a horny teenage boy. Rob knows your IP address.... ;)

Shredder said on 4/Jul/17
Brad is Jared The Subway Guy.

Nah, they don't give unsupervised net access in prison. Brad is more than likely the infamous Jack McClellan. :D
Editor Rob: I'm sure mamun said he met brad at the hollywood show and was very tall!
Frankie68 said on 5/Jul/17
Like I said ,, anybody who thinks Stallone is as tall as Mel Gibson truly has no clue & shouldnt be here !! And there are plenty of pics of them together that prove that ,,,Furthermore ,, "low cut dress shoes" ,,, you can easily get 2- 2 1/2 inches ,,, with a 1 1/2 inch heel & 1 inch lift inside is very do able ,,,and not that noticable & i dont need 5 paragraphs of nonsense to make people see my point ,, everybody here has a right to there own opinion ,, thats what makes a forum work ,, not somebody's thick headed view & everybody else doesnt know what there talking about but the person with the thick headed view ,,,people that small minded i dont respond to cause there ignorant to begin with !!
Frankie68 said on 5/Jul/17
Like I said ,, anybody who thinks Stallone is as tall as Mel Gibson truly has no clue & shouldnt be here !! And there are plenty of pics of them together that prove that ,,,Furthermore ,, "low cut dress shoes" ,,, you can easily get 2- 2 1/2 inches ,,, with a 1 1/2 inch heel & 1 inch lift inside is very do able ,,,and not that noticable & i dont need 5 paragraphs of nonsense to make people see my point ,, everybody here has a right to there own opinion ,, thats what makes a forum work ,, not somebody's thick headed view & everybody else doesnt know what there talking about but the person with the thick headed view ,,,people that small minded i dont respond to cause there ignorant to begin with !!
Junior31 said on 4/Jul/17
Brad for president.

Sly was just a strong 5'8 guy.
even said on 4/Jul/17
listen well all of you i am a male and i stand 5'9 tall i can not say im 6 feet tall because im not and i know im not . its like saying i dont exist does it make any sense? this man is 5'8 but he says hes 5'11 i mean it just dont make any sense .
Shredder said on 4/Jul/17
Brad is Jared The Subway Guy.
RisingForce said on 4/Jul/17
In fairness, I do think Brad is right on the minimum heights for Sly since 5'8.5" peak and 5'8" current is the shortest he could be, imo, though I think he's a bit taller. But the idea that Mariah Carey was almost as tall as Sly is pretty funny since Sly looked taller in those Hogan sneakers than Mariah does in those enormous platform heels. Wahlberg looks shorter than he is because of his build, imo. You could say he's short depending on your definition as some consider 5'8" short. Beach shots are terrible for judging height precisely due to wildly uneven ground. I don't understand the Gibson at 5'8" stuff either. There are a few comparisons like with Anthony Hopkins where one could be forgiven for thinking 5'8.5", but I'm convinced he's 5'9" just like Sigourney Weaver said. No more, no less. He probably has fooled people into thinking he's taller than that, though. I could be wrong, but I don't think I still have the reputation as an upgrader anymore. That was more back when Glenn was still here. I think Viper came up with that name.

As for Frank Stallone, he's not 5'9". He was at least 179 cm peak, maybe 180 and now might have shrunk to 177-178 range judging by how he looks with Sly above and Sly pulling off taller than Frank at the Guardians of the Galaxy premiere this year.

Btw, we covered Sly and Travolta a while ago and I agree that Sly was somewhere from 3" minimum to 3.5" max shorter with Sly 5'8.75"-5'9" and Travolta 6'0"-6'0.25", but how on earth did Sly pull this off? Click Here If it was just that one photo, I'd say it wasn't even worth mentioning, but there's a whole series of them that day where Sly pulls off similar height. Here's 4 more: Click Here Here's one more, with 6'3.5" Chevy Chase also in the photo: Click Here Was Sly on his toes for all those photos? Was it the camera? I really don't even think he was standing that tall at that event. Shoes didn't even look like Sly would be near his tallest: Click Here Just goes to show that you can never read too much into photos, even a series of them unless they're full.
Brad said on 4/Jul/17
He Jax I admire yer honesty. Both Spears are fox. Word up to the G and MJKoP.
MJKoP said on 4/Jul/17
Brad said on 3/Jul/17
You must be a 5' 7" G lookalike.

Aw, c'mon Brad...you know who I am and what I look like. Unlike you, I'm not at all ashamed of my physical appearance or identity. Glenn and I have the balls to show our face online even when there are creeps and trolls like you abound. You once copped out of posting a picture of yourself you claimed to have with a celeb by saying "I don't want my picture out there for everyone to see"...either you were lying about the picture existing, or there's something major you're trying to hide(protect?). I'm actually going more with the former, because Rob can easily 'black-box' your face as he has with others in the past. Not to imply you might not also have some serious skeletons in your closet...

Brad said on 3/Jul/17
Yes her sister was starting to look like a fox at 15....Spears did too.

I just got out of the shower, but I feel like I need to go take another one. Ciao.
even said on 3/Jul/17
to be extremely fair and truthful , the man on the left is 5'8 and the man on the right is 5'9 .
Brad said on 3/Jul/17
I guess you have to meet people to judge heights. Dion is 5' 8" at least. "Raising Farce" man that's funny!He never touched the G 5' 6.5" reality, nobody did. Mariah walked right by me at Caesars, she's 5' 8" but slouch is her problem. G fooled everybody too, Marky and Gibson fool everybody. Grab a Marky beach shot. Spears is 5' 5" easy. I've seen her close-up from most tours (I don't have a life so I see Spears) I'm the biggest loser in the world but I don't look the part. Yes her sister was starting to look like a fox at 15....Spears did too. Good point, no cringe. You gotta be bored outta yer mind buggin me, try the G, there's the loser of all time...80% of what his height opinion was clowny. You must be a 5' 7" G lookalike. Grab an umbrella, hit the Plaza with a bag and sharpies.
MJKoP said on 3/Jul/17
Brad said on 2/Jul/17
Marky is short, grab any beach shot. Gibson is 5 foot 8, he fools everybody.

He fools everybody besides you, right? Aren't you omniscient one.

Interesting that you insist Carey is 5'9", but even RisingForce(who would always be accused of upgrading to the point where he was called "RaisingFarce") just said on her page:

RisingForce said on 1/Jul/17
Rare for a woman to inflate her height so much. The most I could give her is 5'6.5". Looked near 2" shorter than 5'8" Rihanna with both in big heels, looked similar to 5'6" Beyonce, about 2" shorter than 5'9" Taylor Swift with at least 1" footwear advantage, definitely shorter than 5-7ish Whitney Houston and if she were anywhere near 5'8.5"-5'9" then she'd be undoubtedly be pushing 6'1" with a lot of the heels she wears, yet anyone who has seen her with 5'10.5" Nick Cannon knows she's lucky to hit 5'11" in them. One of the worst height claims mentioned on this site.

Yet:
Brad said on 2/Sep/13
Be a few feet from here standing on level ground, she's over 5 feet 8 easy out of her slouch. You people don't get it.

A 6'6" guy can distinguish a 5'7ish woman from a 5'9er? You must have a real knack for judging height. I'm sure you'll bring up that one sacred letter(yet again) as your crowning achievement.

And with Celine Dion:
Brad said on 11/Jun/14
5' 8" at the least.

Seems like a pretty bold assertion from someone who now admits he never even met her.

And with Britney Spears:
Brad said on 27/Feb/13
5 feet 5 at the lowest.

Odd that she was claimed 5'4" on video at least once recently. Did you sneak into her house and measure her while she slept?

Actually that might not surprise me, after what he said about a then-15-year-old Jamie Lynn:
Brad said on 15/Nov/06
Her sister is starting to look like a fox.

Cringe, much?

And almost one month later on Jamie's page:
Brad said on 14/Dec/06
She'll be 5' 7" by August.

Yeah, just like Bieber will never hit 5'5".
Brad said on 2/Jul/17
Marky is short, grab any beach shot. Gibson is 5 foot 8, he fools everybody. I don't own a Dion (Dion?!)but I did meet the other Dion in 1974 at a record store in NYC. Carey is legit as I said. They are as I listed much like a 5 foot 6.5" G. I don't Adam Antly claim bogus heights like the G. F2 was right 95% of the time, his Jackson claim is wrong. I was 14 when Nixon was in the White House, I did like Karen Valentine ragingly back then. Lennon was a bit shy of McCartney, I met Lennon '77 and he'd be shorter than a '17 McCartney. Sage Stallone at 5-10 is a joke much like Sly at 5-10.
RisingForce said on 2/Jul/17
MJKoP, I'm not so aware of Lennon's autopsy, but yeah, Lennon going off memory was more like 5'10" or so, certainly not 5'6". Of course, Sly wore lifts while Sage probably didn't, but you see what I mean that Sly just looks noticeably bigger physically and if you compare Sly even at his shortest to Frank, there's a noticeable difference. Same with Jennifer Flavin. I can believe Sage actually was about 5'7" and that wasn't inflated much or at all. It seems plausible seeing him on screen in Daylight.
MJKoP said on 2/Jul/17
RisingForce: I guess he *was* 5'7", then. I'm positive he was listed as 5'10" immediately after he passed away, but perhaps that was before the autopsy was conducted. Of course, when you said just now that he was 5'7"-range, I googled it again and it "still" said 5'7", so I just made the logical assumption that he had been listed as 5'10" this entire time, with no knowledge of the coroner's findings, or the previous listing. He definitely looks shorter than Sly, but I thought that might be only because of Sly's lifts/boots. You were probably right about this one, Rising. But I have to add that not all celeb autopsies inflate the height. Walker's badly burnt and mangled body is one extreme exception, but John Lennon purportedly has 5'6"(168cm) on his death certificate. He had lost more than 80% of the blood in his body from four major bullet wounds, so I don't know if that was a factor for his "shrinking"(or at least on paper). From pictures of Lennon, he usually looked a very similar height to McCartney and sometimes even taller.
Loka said on 1/Jul/17
As i said. In the gym club or in fight sports, nobody Will downgrade someone because he's short or average. Arnold in the top of his rivality with Sly in the 80's never said something like "stallone is only 5,9". No real boxer, no famous wrestler never said something bad on sly height, even now. Because everybody knows that the guy is a real fan of BodyBuilding, boxing and Sport. Everybody know how hard he trained and pushed himself.

Oups... Now I remember Hulk Hogan sayin in an autobiography "sly was only 5.8". Not cool but Hulk hogan is special, as you know.
MJKoP said on 1/Jul/17
Brad: If you are so obsessed with dwelling on the past(Frank2, G, etc.) I should bring up how you would accuse F2 of downgrading his personal hates(whenever his credibility came into question) when it's pretty evident that you do exactly the same thing. For instance, Wahlberg at 5'7"? I hate him, as many do(and with plenty of good reason), but he's not really a short guy. Ditto Mel Gibson at only 5'8". You also seem intent on UPgrading your apparent female celeb crushes and insisting some are as much as two inches taller than Rob's listings. Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, Paris Hilton...all listed at least an inch lower than what you "Atom-Antly" claim for them. The more you talk, the more you sound like a fourteen-year-old with a chip on his shoulder and a raging libido.
RisingForce said on 1/Jul/17
Frankie, you're trolling was tired to begin with. It was refreshing not having you bringing down the discussion for a while. And yes, looking at shoes as well as proportions can give you a fair idea. As someone who wears lifts I know what a shoe looks like with even a 1" lift. It's better than your habit of assuming EVERYTHING, even low cut dress shoes are lifts. Btw, Gibson has worn lifts for years as well. As for their heights, watch the video. I'll even save you time with a couple of screen shots: Click Here Click Here There's very little difference between the 2. Probably peaked around the same. Gibson may have peaked 1/4" taller and may or may not still be at his peak height while Sly seems to have definitely lost a fraction. If Sly didn't go liftless at times then his height wouldn't vary as much as it does. You saw Rob say the Hogan sneakers with lifts may have given him 2.5"-2.7" over barefoot, which is A LOT. Yet Sly looked 5'11" in them quite often.

loka, I agree and I'm sure you're right. I'm just curious as to the other occasion. The one posted here was when she said 174-175. I agree Sly was 175 or 174.5 cm at worst. In other words, a weak 5'9". Nowadays, he seems to have shrunk about 1 cm.

Brad, Sly isn't shorter than Snipes, at least not as of the Expendables 3 release almost 3 years ago: Click Here Click Here Click Here Btw, why is 6'0.25" Kellan Lutz going up on his toes in both pics? Funny enough, Snipes apparently caught on and did the same thing: Click Here One thing I'm certain about is Sly is or was not shorter than Van Damme, Statham, Snipes and especially Banderas.

MJKoP, that's a recent change where Google, IMDB or whoever changed him from 5'7" to 5'10". Sage was listed 5'7" most places after his autopsy showed him that height. Now I know autopsies can lead to some inaccurate results, but with the exception of a case like Paul Walker for obvious reasons, they usually make someone taller like Tupac. You can see pics of Sage grown up with Sly and Jennifer Flavin at the Daylight premiere or with Frank Stallone at the Rocky Balboa premiere and 5'7" looks about right to me. He was definitely noticeably shorter than those 3. But even if I had shortchanged him, it still wouldn't be speaking ill as there are pages on this site where people guess the height of deceased celebs, some undoubtedly get shortchanged, but at least in most cases, I believe it's done without malice. This is all besides the point anyway as it was a joke about how ridiculous Andre's 169-171 cm guess was.
Frankie68 said on 1/Jul/17
Its just to funny how some in this forum know when Stallone wears lifts & when he forgets them at home !! There are some true height experts in this forum !! And anyone who claims Stallone is really as tall as Mel Gibson truly doesnt belong here !!
loka said on 30/Jun/17
To Rising Force : Brigit Nielsen said 175 cm at 2 occasions, I'm sure of that but i can't tell you where and when. At one occasion, she even said 174-175 to be complete. So Sly was 175 and is more 174 cm now... No Big Deal and not strange for an italo-american born in the 40's... He managed to play "bigger than Life heroes" on Screen. But even he was only a 172 cm Guy, his Body would still be perfect. When you bhave a Body like he used to have, nobody care if you are 172, 173 or 174 cm. In the Gym, when you're fit, you're fit and nobody will say "oh, yes but you are short !". Nobody... A perfect Body is perfect... No Matter what the height says. I'm 177 cm but i could loose 3 cm if i could get the same Body than Sly had in the 80's and early 90's. I would not hesitate. I would put some lifts in my shoes... ah ah ah.
Brad said on 30/Jun/17
Sub-par level of comprehension? Hey Atom Ant I was the only (maybe Frank2)person in '06 that said the G (Glenn Cunningham,resident of The Bronx, NYC, NY, the pictured 5' 8" listed) was 5' 6.5" in all his pictures. Guess what, I was right. 6 hours loaded down after a 3 PM wake-up he gets splashed (Pap talk) with celebs 1.5" under the listed 5-eight. Portmans and tip-toe action can be assured in some. Sly was 5' 8.5" with Kojak in '75....not under 5' 8" now. If Sly is under Snipes then the game has changed for 5' 8".
MJKoP said on 30/Jun/17
@RisingForce...because Sage is listed everywhere as 5'10"? I don't see how you're getting 5'7".
RisingForce said on 30/Jun/17
Sly was still at least as tall as Snipes in 2014, very possibly a bit taller. A lot of the video is taken high up, but it's level at the beginning and Sly was about the exact same height as Mel Gibson, who couldn't have been that much below 5'9" with both forgetting their big shoes that night. I had Sly at 5'8.5" in 2014, but now I think he may have been hanging onto 5'8.75" then shrunk a bit in 2015.
RisingForce said on 30/Jun/17
MJKoP, how on earth is that speaking ill of Sage? He apparently was around 5'7". There's no shame in that. The joke was merely a reference to andre saying Stallone was around 5'7", but he didn't specify which Stallone.
MJKoP said on 30/Jun/17
@Brad: I said, er, "said" once. Like most of the time, I can't for the life of me figure out what you're trying to get at. And are you really pointing out my alleged overuse of a word? At least I don't habitually resort to a specific letter...(G)ee, I wonder which one that could be?
Dmeyer said on 29/Jun/17
AT cannes vidéo he realy looks smaller than snipes who himself could be 5'8,5-8,75 so in the last 3-4 years Sly is 173-4cm
Brad said on 29/Jun/17
Randy Orton is the reload G not the Nonono. Lotsa "saids" lined up by MJKingof pop. 5' 11.75" was ridiculous in '75 and 5' 10.5" in '06 and now. G-zuss.
MJKoP said on 29/Jun/17
RisingForce said on 28/Jun/17
andre isn't completely wrong, though. That does sound like the range Stallone was. Sage Stallone that is!

Don't speak ill of the dead.

@Brad: You addressed the wrong person. You meant to say "randyorton" but instead said "Nonono", whom had merely quoted the former before agreeing with you. Another "momment" where we can "proove" your sub-par level of comprehension.
RisingForce said on 29/Jun/17
Good post, loka. But when was the other time Brigitte said he was 175? I only remember that reality show appearance in Europe I think it was where she said he was 174-175. Jennifer Flavin's height was actually given as her modeling agency as 5'9.5", which is about 176.5 cm, though Fashion Model Directory rounds that to 177 cm. The 2 are very close in height. As for Kurt, regardless of whether it was them walking to the shower, it's obvious the 2 must have been very close in height since in the wide shot walking to their cells that I posted a while back, Sly(obviously in lifts), looks minimum 1.5" taller, same with an interview I posted recently from back then. Brigitte would know his height better than anyone who has chimed in on the debate thus far and it makes sense. It's obvious from his build and how he measures up to others that he couldn't be less than 174-175 cm.
RichardSpain said on 29/Jun/17
Well guys! is possible that Sly was a solid 175cm not more. And with his elevator shoes a good 179 /180cm. Also he has an good advantage to ; add that he wears a tall hair in his movies.

his 175cm+tall hair+elevator shoes /lifts= looks 179cm/180cm

End of the mistery.
Nonono said on 29/Jun/17
Brad said on 26/Jun/17
Nonono must a be 2006 G reload but G said 5' 10.5" then "cantcha tell I met him 20 times, who'd you meet yer postman". 5' 9" for Marky Mark is ridiculous...Sly "well over 5' 8"" in '17 is G "proove (G momment) me wrong" stuff. Rob did, subtract the 6 hours out from wake-up loaded down to 5' 6.5" with Sly in NYC sandals (lifts). Zzzzz how many times have I said this.

Might help if you spoke something more like English, Brad. I'm not a reload of G or any other letter of the alphabet. But there's no way I'm accepting that Stallone was almost a 6 footer, and is still well over 5'10 to this day. Even the man himself never claimed such a thing, and if it was true then he'd have never got a reputation as a short man. And that's in plain English.
loka said on 28/Jun/17
Facts :
- Brigit Nielsen (his ex-wife) said at 2 occasions that he is 175 cm. If she could has say something to bash him, she would have done it. So you can believe her.
- Jennifer Flavin : his wife is 175 cm according to Model Agencies. Several pics or her and Sly barefoot showed the same height.
- Sly and Kurt Russel are the same height when naked in the shower scene in the movie Tango And Cash and st is really Sly. I'm a fan of Sly since 1985 and i can recognize his back even if i'm not gay. So it was him of course.
RisingForce said on 28/Jun/17
andre isn't completely wrong, though. That does sound like the range Stallone was. Sage Stallone that is!
andre said on 27/Jun/17
stallone height from 169cm to 171cm barefoot at night max
MJKoP said on 27/Jun/17
Nonono said on 26/Jun/17
randyorton said on 25/Jun/17
sly 5'11.75" back then.
sly 5'10.5" today.

Just no. Even Sly himself would crack up laughing at this one. Thanks anyway.


It's much closer than pretty much everyone else's guesses.
Brad said on 26/Jun/17
Nonono must a be 2006 G reload but G said 5' 10.5" then "cantcha tell I met him 20 times, who'd you meet yer postman". 5' 9" for Marky Mark is ridiculous...Sly "well over 5' 8"" in '17 is G "proove (G momment) me wrong" stuff. Rob did, subtract the 6 hours out from wake-up loaded down to 5' 6.5" with Sly in NYC sandals (lifts). Zzzzz how many times have I said this.
Nonono said on 26/Jun/17
randyorton said on 25/Jun/17
sly 5'11.75" back then.
sly 5'10.5" today.

Just no. Even Sly himself would crack up laughing at this one. Thanks anyway.
MJKoP said on 25/Jun/17
Brad said on 24/Jun/17
Somebody just put up Marky in massive whoppers lined up with celebs, he was far right, can't remember which celeb height section. Marky is 5' 7" tops. In socks with Will Farrell in socks is priceless. Funny shot. Stallone is a weak 5-8.

First off, it's "Ferrell", not "Farrell"(he's not Colin's cousin) and secondly, Wahlberg is not even as low as a flat 5'8", let alone '5'7" tops'. As for Sylvester, he's STILL well over 5'8".
RisingForce said on 25/Jun/17
Tom Cruise is not an inch taller than Marky Mark, Brad. Stallone in their most recent appears(Expendables 3) looked at least as tall or a bit taller than Statham in normal dress shoes and easily taller in lifts, while Cruise looked looked at least an inch shorter in Statham's Collateral cameo. Actually, Wahlberg in socks with Will Ferrell convinced a lot of skeptics that he could be 5'8" after all, but then this was assuming Ferrell was 6'3" instead of 6'2.5". But he's 5'7.5" minimum - at least as tall as Cruise. Not too much of a point of me continuing arguing with you that Stallone is still a strong 5'8"(5'8.25"-5'8.5") rather than a weak 5'8".
randyorton said on 25/Jun/17
sly 5'11.75" back then.
sly 5'10.5" today.
Brad said on 24/Jun/17
Somebody just put up Marky in massive whoppers lined up with celebs, he was far right, can't remember which celeb height section. Marky is 5' 7" tops. In socks with Will Farrell in socks is priceless. Funny shot. Stallone is a weak 5-8.
even said on 24/Jun/17
he must admit that hes short i mean real short because hes five foot eight . i am five foot nine and i am short without a doubt . if he was telling the truth ( claiming to be 180 cm ) which is extremely unlikely , hes height is actually very very good .
RisingForce said on 23/Jun/17
Here's good video footage of Stallone and 5'9" Mel Gibson at Cannes in 2014: Click Here I embedded a timestamp of them talking face to face at 1:30, they're face to face talking again at 1:37 and they're both interviewed at 0:55. Both men appeared to have normal dress shoes that night: Click Here Click Here Both men look almost identical in height in the video.

I'm not sure Sly had lost anything noticeable yet by 2014, maybe a quarter inch. 2015 was when it became clear he was noticeably shorter - probably half an inch. I'm still somewhat undecided between 5'8.75" and 5'9" peak and 5'8.25" and 5'8.5" current.
RisingForce said on 23/Jun/17
Brad, you'll have to name an example of Marky Mark wearing elevators outside of movies. He does wear Timberlands a lot, which do add extra height - about 1.5" - but there's no lifts inside, just an extra insole. Roberts is very height conscious. At least 2" Cuban heels in The Specialist, similar on his sitcom then he'd wear cowboy boots on Conan. Now, he embarrassingly goes way up on his toes and does the arm around the shoulder push down at premieres and meet and greets. Cruise was already in big footwear by '93 because he was with Nicole. Mostly cowboy boots at that time and he requested lifts filming Interview with the Vampire at that time, then by mid to late 90s, you'd see him in logger boots or some other chunky 90s shoes he'd often put lifts in. You may be right about the dress boots you describe, but you ALWAYS assume Sly has lifts with low cut dress shoes. Tom had a stretch from probably 2002-2007 or 2008 where he didn't appear too height conscious and wore normal shoes with no lifts frequently, but not when he was with Nicole.

I think you're pretty close on Sly, but he's at least a strong 5'8" even today. You want to see the difference between Sly and Cruise look at how Statham had at least an inch on Cruise in his Collateral cameo, while Sly in dress shoes was still at least as tall as Statham in their most recent appearances together for The Expendables 3 less than 3 years ago, though I do think 2015 was when Sly lost noticeable height, but he hasn't lost an inch. You saw Rob say Sly got 2.5"-2.7" out of his Hogan sneakers with lifts and he looked to be wearing something similar at the Guardians premiere, yet pulled off taller than his brother Frank meaning he must have pulled off somewhere 5'10" range. Cruise has never looked that tall.
Brad said on 22/Jun/17
Marky Mark wears custom height enhancing outside of movies...on a beach he really looks smaller. Eric Roberts? Met him at a Ray Courts show, nothing out of the ordinary there, does he care outside movies? Pitt wears those huge dress boots heeled and wedged up. Cruise wasn't as height bothered years ago as compared to now. Str8 up 5-8 1 foot from me '93, low cut dress boots, not much to really see as obvious inflation tool. #1 in posture. LeBlanc wears chunky Portmans all the time. Sly is a weak 5-8, anything under is not reality. Has he had operations on his knees/back? Do steroids deflate height?
RisingForce said on 22/Jun/17
Brad, Cruise has worn lifts for years as well, much more than Stallone has since 2009 actually. You're Stallone estimates aren't that bad, a little low, imo. 5'8" flat is at least arguable these days, but there's no chance he's lower while there's only an outside chance Cruise reaches a full 5'8" and is probably 5'7.5". Cruise has worn lifts that give as much as Sly at the Guardians premiere recently yet has never looked as tall as Sly did at that premiere. In fact, his boots at the Bruckheimer Walk of Fame Star were clearly as much, yet he's looking 1.5" max taller than solid 5'7" and Bruckheimer and clearly shorter than a maybe 5'8.5" Johnny Depp in cowboy boots. Inflating Cruise a bit for some unknown reason is what throws it off.

Also, why do you throw Marky Mark in there? He's never been shown to wear lifts outside of a movie like The Italian Job. He just made a stupid height claim. Cruise, Gibson, Cowell, Banderas, Michael and Kirk Douglas, Eric Roberts and Jeremy Piven are/were all more height conscious than Marky Mark. Even guys like Brad Pitt and Colin Farrell are. Matt LeBlanc at least as much.
RisingForce said on 21/Jun/17
Thanks a lot, Rob. I'd be surprised if the shoe came with an insole THAT large on its own, otherwise, I think it'd be marketed as an elevator. Here are some other good shots of Sly wearing the black ones: Click Here Click Here It makes sense to me that Sly, especially during that 2003-2008 period picked a sneaker that gives more than most, and supplemented it with a lift. Actually, I wouldn't mind getting a pair myself at one point, though they range from 200-400 USD!

One other identifiable pair of shoes Sly has worn that are even more puzzling are these Prada shoes: Click Here Click Here Click Here Click Here I don't know how Sly managed to look at least 5'9.5", possibly 5'10" in them compared to Arnie, Dolph and Van Damme at the Expendables 2 Paris photocall. They are called platforms, so maybe they give more than a typical shoes because there's really very little room to put something extra in. Maybe we won't know how he managed until we see a shot of him sitting with those shoes, but I think it pretty safely rules out anything below 5'8.5" as recent as 2012.
Brad said on 21/Jun/17
Barefoot to barefoot: Cruise and Stallone would be tied in '17. Sly is as bothered as Vin, Robert, Burt, Marky. Vin needed a board with The Rock.....that about does it for who is #1 in wanting that height.
Brad said on 20/Jun/17
Burby is another person you ice cube '07. Jacksonville '84 with 80,000 okay, Bad Tour row 5 okay, '81 NYC not okay, rampaging black gangsters in the Garden. 4 times by me, in and out of court and lunch. No eye contact with people, he's shy. Bought I Want You Back in '70. I'll bully the 5' 6.5"er who thinks he's 5' 8". I'm serious Rob, I'm gonna sumthin drastic if he says 5' 6.5" again. Boat over the waterfall with his Mummy stills on the way to see Mead.
RisingForce said on 20/Jun/17
Thanks, Rob, 2.5"-2.7" range is what I had figured because looking at those basketball shots I have no doubt he put lifts in them and explains how he can look a consistent 5'10.5"-5'11" in them. But if it's that big a sneaker then he may have worn them without lifts at times, which may explain if he were to look shorter than he usually does in them.
Editor Rob: based on his ankle, it did look like either the Hogan sneakers have really large insoles or he slipped a little half inch extra into it.
5'11.25 at noon. said on 20/Jun/17
5'10.75 really?? Peak height was 5'9.5 max for him
burby said on 20/Jun/17
Why is it that when Cruise goes barefoot with then 5'9" wife in flip flops/sandals, he comes out being taller than expected? But then, bare feet Sly, Marky Mark, Vin, Damon all come up shorter than expected? Fully body shots of Ben/Emile posted by Peter175, we all know what one of them is wearing for sure, "meaty" lifts. The whole point of lifts is to go beyond physical limitations, it's just that some "bother" to do it more than others, and have better shoe makers and tailors. Sly is more "bothered" by it than others is my guess.
MJKoP said on 20/Jun/17
'You doofus'?? Why get so defensive over something you claim isn't true? Seems a far cry from the nonchalant, idgaf Braditude. You're telling me to go 'grab some ice cubes', but it seems the heat is getting to be too much for YOU. ;)
MJKoP said on 20/Jun/17
Okay, so for the sake of argument let's say burby and you are NOT one in the same. That actually makes it all the more worse. Instead of cyber-troll bully "Brad" utilizing two separate online personalities, we actually have someone else who clearly *aspires* to walk, talk, and act like Brad, chiming in whenever the former appears to add his repetitive two cents that incidentally are worth even less than a penny. And I've been a frequent visitor here since circa 2005 and I still haven't the slightest clue of who 'Sal' is/was. And you really got me there, Brad...being only 22 when 'Jax' passed, I never got a chance to see him in concert. Instead of having to jump through flaming hoops so I could squint through binoculars in a standing outdoor crowd of more 80,000, I'll have to endure watching 4k res, professionally shot, multiple-angle, directly-fed audio on my 60" flat plasma screen and enhanced surround-sound system from a comfy sofa, in a climate controlled environment, with the ability to pause, rewind, and replay to my heart's content, AND with no additional purchases necessary....life is truly hell. If you had spent an entire afternoon one-on-one with him, you might be able to invoke some envy in me, but the man walked by you in courtroom once. I bet you're now going to tell me that you two briefly exchanged glances and that it was nothing short of life-altering. :P
RisingForce said on 20/Jun/17
Thanks, Rob. So that's about 2" with lifts? I honestly would have thought more, but then they're not high tops, so I don't think you can fit say a 2-inch lift without falling out. I'd think at least the regular sneakers added about 1.2" without lifts.
Editor Rob: If he put a lift in them, he may be pushing 2.5-2.7 range
Brad said on 19/Jun/17
Burby isn't me you doofus, he's been here since the Sal days. Grab some ice cubes and go back to '07 for some fun on the 5' 8 incher lying through his teeth. I saw Jax on 4 different tours, grab some youtube and wish ya were there hoss. Hey Burby, 30 more minutes til the wild one is due upstairs with Rob...think Sal will get lunch in time to the Volvo...he can't leave it due to potential height loss in the measure.
RisingForce said on 19/Jun/17
Sly is noticeably taller than Alvarez, but Alvarez is close to 5'7" than 5'9". I guess you're not even bothering staying within physical limitations, Burby. Sly can still look an easy 5'8.5" wearing dress shoes, which is what Cruise looks in elevator shoes. Sly in lifts can still look over 5'10" with his brother and Michael Rooker, Cruise never has. The Emile Hirsch pic is meatingless, since we can't see their feet. I can show you pics of Sly looking as tall as 6'1"-6'2" guys in that case. Sly being eye to eye with Tom Arnold should tip you off that you must see feet and more than one photo.
Loka said on 19/Jun/17
There is a video with the boxer canelo Alvarez who is a legit 5.9. Sly has 1 inch over while he is in normal sport shoes and Alvarez is in boxing shoes. That means That sly was 5.9 while shooting This little video. The photo taken This Day says the same. It was few months ago.
MJKoP said on 19/Jun/17
Hey, burby/Brad - can either or both of you at least make some form of an effort to disguise your distinctive writing style(s)? I'm not even going to bother to ask Rob for the verification, because I know he's already having too much fun as a spectator to intervene...remember, as the 'Brad' incarnation recently said, it's all about the entertainment. XD
burby said on 18/Jun/17
People gotta go to the Ben McKenzie page, Peter175 post on May 18th. If Emile can get the height and overtake Ben, imagine what Sly can do. Sly is worth a prettier penny than Emiley, so there won't be a "bulge". Sly and Cruise are like the same height 2017. I'm not gay, but Sal would never be my boyfriend, the food never gets there on time.
RisingForce said on 18/Jun/17
Rob, can you estimate how much the Hogan sneakers Sly has worn a lot give without and lifts and how much you believe he managed to get out of them with lifts? Click Here Click Here Click Here
Editor Rob: I don't know how high the insole is, but based on the design and the ankle needing to sit just above the curve, I'd say the total might be around 2 inches.
Brad said on 17/Jun/17
Actually I'm 5' 5" 287 and just love Charles Nelson Rielly and George Maharis. Go to Ice Cube height 3/3/07 post by the G. He's so afraid of me saying he's 5' 6.5" "Iced" with Ice Cube he is ready to leave if I print his real height again. "Wob I'm gonna do sumthin drastic, I'm not 5' 7"". Sal, I'm getting mad, the burgers are not even warm in dis Volvo. I met my Christie Brinkley.
RisingForce said on 17/Jun/17
People will believe exactly what they want to believe, except that for Sly to have lifts in his dress shoes for all those comparisons with Van Damme then that would mean he was getting near 3" out of those Prada shoes, which is impossible. Claims that Sly and Cruise are the same height get even more silly.

Here's Sly in dress shoes with Julie Benz in heels in late 2008: Click Here Click Here

Compare that to how Rob looked with Julie in heels, or look here at Julie in heels with Erik King to the left, who Rob lists 5'8": Click Here
Jim Hopper said on 17/Jun/17
IMO I doubt over 5-8" prime. Now under that imo.
MJKoP said on 17/Jun/17
'Bradley Sonia Burby'
Vital stats
Height: 5'4"
Weight: 278 lbs.
Race: White/Caucasian
Sex: Never
DOB: 9/18/74
Occupation:Unemployed
Marital Status: Single; lives with imaginary boyfriend, 'Sal'
Favorite letter of alphabet: G

:D
Brad said on 16/Jun/17
Burby is a real human and not me. Very smart individual in the Frank2 tradition. He knows the G had the head out the window asking for Sal to get napkins cause he was due with Rob upstairs soon plus he knows his astronaut (and postman). Mead in Forest Hills wants ta know if da Mummy 10 by 14's signed by Cruise at da Plaza are coming his way or Mikey W? We gotta move dem Mummys before people know da movie stinks. Did Travolta wear heels in Kotter or was it Bowsah Chuck Taylor footwear? I can't remembah. 3 Sweathogs were at a Ray Courts Celebrity Show in Burbank years ago, man that was a day gabbing with them, 2 died.
MJKoP said on 16/Jun/17
@burby/Brad: Not much for subtlety, are we? ;)
RisingForce said on 14/Jun/17
Canson, thanks, glad we agree on this one. On pages like this, I'm able to be a little more selective with the photographic and visual evidence I post since.

burby, that's true with the Prada shoes where Sly was at least an inch taller. Probable 1 inch lift there. They're both in flat dress shoes with no bulge or anything out of the ordinary for those other ones. Sly as of 2012 was at least as tall as Van Damme.

Travolta could genuinely seem the 6'0"-6'0.25" he implied he was so I've never really doubted his height much, except he's shrunk noticeably by now, while Sly barefoot would most likely be somewhere from 3"-3.5" shorter. Both in big heels back then. Travolta for fashion and Sly for style and height. Sly's heels around that time were typically about 2 inches, maybe a little more at times. Don't know about Travolta. Likely similar from what I've seen on their talk show appearances at that time: Click Here I don't think Travolta was wearing heels quite as big as in the original '77 movie.

These 1997 photos of Sly, Travolta and their wives are pretty useful since the shoes are more normal than the 80s: Click Here Click Here Click Here Click Here The reason Sly looks no shorter than 177 cm in any of these photos is because I think he could have had a more tasteful 2-inch type elevator shoe, which is why I included the 4th pic since I think it shows the possibility. Or, it could just be posture and placement from the camera.

There is a series of photos of the two from 1993 as well, but the height results are very weird so who knows?
Canson said on 13/Jun/17
Rising force: I agree with a lot of what you said!
burby said on 13/Jun/17
Sly owned JCVD via stealthy inserts, nothing new here. Sly is a weak 5'8", guess I'm a fibbah (NYC accent).
Brad said on 13/Jun/17
No, those Mastiff boots are custom Mastiff-Massive. I wonder if that dog was his.
Leo2001 said on 13/Jun/17
Sly(normal shoes)and Finola Hughes(listed 5ft4 here)
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Editor Rob: looks like something similar to Nike Cortez
Leo2001 said on 13/Jun/17
Stallone with Travolta(Claim a bit over 6ft)
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RisingForce said on 13/Jun/17
Actually, I saw some of Cop Land again the other day and Sly looks more 5'9" than 5'8.5" in it. 5'11.5" Robert Patrick doesn't have 3 inches on Sly, an apparently also 5'11.5" Ray Liotta did have about 3 inches on Sly in the beginning, but Sly was almost barefoot with those flip flops, so Liotta probably had half an inch footwear advantage, 6'2.5" Michael Rapaport didn't look 6 inches taller than Sly and Sly was definitely a bit taller in that ending scene. Here's a still from right before they walk away at the end: Click Here When they're walking away, Sly is a bit taller when he doesn't have his head down. I had thought they were the same height in the film from a few on set pics, but even in this on set pic I just found recently, Sly is clearly taller when he stands straight: Click Here

andre, 5'8" is possible today, though I still think he's a bit over it, but he was taller up until the past few years. Absolute nonsense on both counts, Costa. For just one small example, I guess you must think Randy Couture is short then because Sly with lifts in sneakers looked as tall in full pics and on video at Comic Con 2010. I can cite too many other examples of Sly looking about 5'11" in lifts. Other 5'9" lift wearers like Michael Douglas and Mel Gibson didn't look taller in their lifts than Sly in his. As usual, no evidence is presented to support this 5'7" fantasy. I wouldn't go lower than 5'8.75" peak personally, but 5'8.5" peak is certainly possible as well. No shorter. This is beyond obvious when you compare Sly to men who actually are 5'7" or even a flat 5'8". Scroll down a bit and see the full pic and video comparison to Van Damme. No lifts there and JCVD definitely isn't any taller than Sly. Do you think Van Damme is 5'7" as well?
RisingForce said on 12/Jun/17
Brad, you've got it backwards. Those Rocky boots didn't raise many eyebrows in '76. Meanwhile, the ones I posted are obvious elevator boots that you really don't see many others wear. You can see they're built for about as big of a boost as Sly could want with the overall thickness, lace and ankle area, plus, his toes do not seem to reach the toe area. If Sly has ever walked around in 3"-3.5" elevator boots, I'd bet those are it. Years ago, someone posted Sly wearing those during an interview on this site and you could see the intense angle in a close up when he was sitting on a stool.
Costa said on 12/Jun/17
No way Stallone is 5'9". He's always in gigantic lifts and still looks short. He's more like 5'7".
Brad said on 12/Jun/17
No "downgrate" (sic), he's still 5 foot 8 by a hair....anything under is a fib.
andre said on 12/Jun/17
stalone always been 5ft8 with shoes with massive hells he is 5ft10, is time to downgrate him and many more in this website
Brad said on 11/Jun/17
3" on the '76 Travolta shot. Non custom. I was in NYC twice a week in '76, Italians loved those things. He didn't need them. Laker wear, naw, not as big as we might think. The Mastiff ones are really mastiff massive.
RisingForce said on 11/Jun/17
Since I posted Sly in those Prada shoes with Van Damme, here they both are at multiple Expendables 2 premieres in dress shoes.

Paris premiere: Click Here Click Here
Hollywood premiere video: Click Here
UK premiere: Click Here

Van Damme is clearly no taller. If you split the difference between JCVD's peak and current listings on this site of 175 and 174 cm, respectively and say he was 5'8.75" then at 51 years old then you could still argue 5'9" for a 66 year old Sly and no lower than 5'8.75" at the time if you give Van Damme that. Doesn't seem Sly had lost much, if anything by then.
RisingForce said on 10/Jun/17
Correct, Butkus was a mastiff. I'm not going to argue whether he has a lift or not, Brad. I really don't know and it wouldn't surprise me. You're about right on the heel, but you throw around figures like 3.5" too casually. That's really rare. I do think Sly has gotten it or at least close on occasion, but I think it's more likely those monster elevator boots at the Laker game in 2008. This is the type of crazy angle you'd be looking at: Click Here Burt probably had 3"-3.5" there, but I don't even know if he got 3.5" that often. I mean, how much do you think Travolta has here? Click Here Click Here Bigger heel and more of a slope. I just can't see anything conclusive in the pics on the stairs beyond a heel around 2 inches. It's really tough to tell with boots, especially ones that already have a big heel. I think we can all be prone to confirmation bias at times with these things.
Brad said on 9/Jun/17
That doggy (Mastiff?) photo on steps is killer. 2 inches on the heel and the slope is classic Burt Reynolds Hooper/Shamus custom boots: massive. The angle from a few inches in from the toe is huge. Crammed with a big wedge. Haven't seen Rocky in years...has to be a non walking shot.
RisingForce said on 8/Jun/17
Jim, they're a type of sneaker you can buy yourself online for a few hundred dollars, Sly just puts lifts in them, but they won't make a 5'7"-5'8" man look anywhere near 5'11". It's easy to recognize: Click Here You can see Sly wearing that color of them here: Click Here Here's even the same color he wore on Letterman: Click Here A thick sneaker like that without a lift might add near 1.25" and you can't fit a lift bigger than 1"-1.5" in something that's not a boot or high tops, so you're looking at around a 2.5" boost at most. They look even bigger because if you don't get elevators with built in lifts, you have to buy bigger than your normal size, plus a big lift will cause a bulge, just look at the sneakers I posted Mel Gibson wearing on his page.

You can ask Rob about those shoes and I bet he'll say something similar. The Hogan sneakers are similar to Robert Downey Jr's high tops in that they stand out as bulky so they lead people to believe they're giving a bigger boost than they really are. Here's Sly with normal dress shoes on Letterman 7 years later: Click Here It's a good comparison because they do almost the exact same greeting except Letterman walks to Sly a bit from the side. But if we give Letterman a flat 6'1" there or even the current height of 6'0.75" Rob has for him, Sly still looks about 5'9".

Shredder, the outside heel is actually similar to a cowboy boot, maybe slightly more, but that's not bigger than a 2" heel: Click Here Click Here We can't say for sure what he actually got without seeing inside. The heels themselves were completely normal for the 70s. John Travolta for instance wore bigger ones the following year in Saturday Night Fever. In fact, Sly may have worn bigger heels himself when he was appearing with Travolta around 1983, they both may have. Sly could have been doing what Burt Reynolds does with those black boots and be supplementing a 2" heel with lifts inside, but still nothing more than 2.5"-3". I posted a photo a while back where I thought Burt could have been getting 3.5" and the angle was insane, much like Rob's 3.8" Don's elevator boots. You're not going to get 3.5" from an off the rack sneaker that isn't even a high top, you're going to need it custom designed for that and it's going to be conspicuous.

Here's Sly in another pair of shoes you can identify: Click Here Click Here Click Here With Arnold 5'11.5", Dolph still 6'3" minimum back in 2012 and Van Damme between 5'8.5"-5'9", Sly passes for near 5'10" in those shoes. Those are Prada sneakers, here they are in a different color: Click Here I'm sure Sly has a lift, but those can't conceal even as much as the Hogan sneakers. Even with a lift, the absolute most he'd be getting there is 2". Actually, Arnold has a pretty good heel himself, Sly isn't even getting a 1" footwear advantage over him with those shoes. Stallone isn't shorter than Van Damme. I don't think people realize even how big 2.5"-3". Look at the James Kyson Lee page, those are 2.5"-3".
Brad said on 8/Jun/17
Those steps shot with the dog have boots with 2" just on the heel....the slope is massive (Huge wedge inside). 3.5" easy. Still 5' 8" (weak).

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