Michael Biehn's Height
5ft 11 ¾ (182.2 cm)
American Actor best known for playing Corporal Hicks in Aliens and Kyle Reese in The Terminator. Other notable films Michael has appeared in have included Tombstone, The Abyss and The Rock. His official fan club gave him 6ft and 175lbs, which is what he claims "I’m 6 feet tall"
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Average Guess (69 Votes)
5ft 11.55in (181.7cm)
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 6/Nov/20
Big forehead, but his receding hairline might accentuate it.
Slim 6'1" said on 26/Oct/20
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 15/Sep/20
Arnold still looks to be edging out Robert Patrick
OriginalAnon said on 30/Jul/20
He is a great actor and comes across well in interviews. The Terminator is one of the greats.
Great photo cdcd, it's weird seeing Arnold as the shorter one. I honestly think he was over 6'1'' in his prime, close to 6'2''. Not many seem to believe it now, for some reason.
Kyle Reece might have been 6' in his prime.
said on 3/May/20
Biehn with Loken and Arnold in 2019: Click Here
Not sure what to think of it.
Alex 6'0 said on 18/Apr/20
5'11.5 which can look 6'0-6'1 to most
Jkiller said on 4/Feb/20
LEROY said on 25/Nov/19
THIS GUY IS ONE OF THE MOST UNDER RATED ACTORS IN THE WORLD!
said on 3/Nov/19
Rob: Five eleven and three-quarters, eh? That's what you've been saying about Elvis all these years. A calumny, I tells ya.
If there were any justice in this world Elvis (Fat Elvis, not Thin Elvis) would come back and haunt you, and then sing All Shook Up over and over until you went mad. If he'd met you in life Elvis (a famously generous man) might have bought you a car, and you can't spot him a lousy quarter of an inch?
Jenny already plays Elvis hits when she's doing the dishes 😽 Every day!
Josh Jeffords said on 28/Oct/19
I can buy both claims at peak maybe a bit over in weight during his action movie stint.
He does not measure up well with tall people and I cant figure it he must slouch.
Very under rated actor seems a cool guy in what little unscripted ive seen of him.
I do fee he is well into decline range and needs a now and then he looks more 5 11 than 6 feet in his 60s.
My dad has lost a good half to 3/4 an inch and is similar age and only started at 5, 9.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 31/Jul/19
🎂🎁🎈 Happy Birthday Michael! 🎈🎁🎂
Have a wonderful day Michael - 63 today, but you don't look it!
said on 22/Apr/19Click Here
: There is a photo of him with arnold. Not usefull for heights but still. I think he could have been 6 foot at peak, he could look tall. Never under 182 cm peak and never over 183,5
Daycringeothon said on 20/Apr/19
Biehn with good posture 182cm range at his peak. 181cm range now in his 60s. Can look 180cm-181cm with less straight posture in his early roles. Generally looks 181cm-182cm. Looked an inch taller than Sigourney Weaver in Aliens minus her hairdo.
said on 30/Mar/19
Is there any pictures of him next to arnold ?
I can't remember seeing one.
JustForFun said on 28/Jan/19
@Rob Mel gibson was 5'9 max and Arnold not a full 6'1. I'd say 6'0.5 range 0.75 max. There are a lot of evidence. Same with Brad Pitt and Leo you should downgrade both 1 cm at least. I can tell you that a real 5'11 barefoot guy is taller than Brad Pitt and even over Leo.
said on 27/Jan/19
I agree and I congratulate you for this site. As I said nobody could it better and I know is noy easy and takes a lot of time. Just saying try to hear us talking about average guess and at least change some listings: I've seen a lot of them and I would realle change: Brad Pitt, Dicaprio, Mel Gibson, Arnold, Eastwood.
I can tell you all of them should be 1 cm less 1/2 inch average. Most of comments agree.
Overall congratulations and thanks for your time
Some listings I think are kind of 50/50 - For Eastwood I can see how 3.25-3.5 is arguable and I don't discount 3.5 for him.
said on 26/Jan/19
Rob has most of these actors upgraded by 3/4 inch or 2 cm. Nice Rob and thanks for listening me.. as I said you never change your listings. Still dont lislten us
In an ideal world you shouldn't need too change listings, over the years you might see more media/footage of somebody or encounter them and think an adjustment to a listing could be closer to the truth.
Ultimately it is still an estimate though. Biehn was close to 6ft peak I believe though may have lost a 1/4 inch now.
Peter 180cm said on 22/Jan/19
Looks at most 5'11.5 so 181cm for me.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 20/Jan/19
Looks about 5'11.25"
Sandy Cowell said on 23/Nov/18
I think that Michael could have peaked at 6ft. He looked SO much taller than Brittany Murphy in 'Cherry Falls'. She played his daughter and with a height of 5ft2.5/3, I thought "Has she got a much taller father in this film in order to imply that she isn't fully grown?" (She played a schoolgirl in the film).
It might be time for a 'then-and-now' facility. Michael doesn't look nearly 6ft in the pictures, but I know what he looks like in his films.
I will opt for the average of 5ft11.5.
Greg99 said on 2/Nov/18
Not exactly difficult to believe that he was 6' peak, hasn't lost a ton of height either at 62 or however old he now is.
Zampo said on 19/Oct/18
5'11.5 (prime), average guess spot on.
berta said on 20/Aug/18
i think biehn was a classic 6 foot guy at peak and is down to 182 today. remember that he is 62 years old and not have the strongest build. i think 1 cm loss today. well atleast 1/4
said on 12/Aug/18
Wouldn't he have a 5'7.25 eye level if he's a weak 6ft? His eye level looks to be above 5'6, but probably not 5'6.5 range, but more 5'6.25, so he's gotta have a low eye level, right?
If you tilt your eyes down a bit, your eyelevel could become 5-5.5 range quite easily.
Pierre said on 13/Jul/18
About a strong 5"11' to my eyes
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said on 2/Jul/18
He might have less footwear than Rob in the top picture?
In the older photo he had a decent hiking style boot, so no less
Joah said on 13/May/18
Had to be 6 foot peak saw him in a b movie nearly 60 looks a weak 6 foot still.
He was a loose posture guy was actually the action movie ideal male for a while.
Just missed out on a few good roles so now hes known for 2 scifis.
Sandy Cowell said on 10/May/18
@ Matt 6ft5 - I enjoyed your comment!
Matt6'5'' said on 8/May/18
I just met him at a Comic Con the last weekend in March. I was surprised when he came out, as he appeared to be about 6'1.5. Much taller than I thought. However he did appear to be wearing a hiking boot. Based upon this, I could totally buy right around the 6ft mark. Perhaps 6 ft .25 or 6 0.5 in his prime?
Canson said on 29/Apr/18
If it weren’t for the 2nd pic I would’ve thought less but 5’11.5-.75 could be right
The Shredder said on 27/Mar/18
He looks roughly same in both photos and has a big slouch in the new one , this just proves that height was also lost in the older photo as well. As listed is aboyt right.
said on 25/Mar/18Click Here
Rob go down to where it brings up hill street blues he mentions his height.
Ed always claimed to be a 6ft 3 guy, I've never seen the episode he was in...I can barely remember any of Hill Street though.
said on 23/Mar/18
Rob , I know a mugshot would be flawed in the newer pic , but I just really want to see what he looks like with his posture like that!
I had a spare 5 minutes and added one for him there.
The Shredder said on 23/Mar/18
He's pretty lean in person , hes for sure heavier than his peak but no way 200 or over
Ali183 said on 20/Mar/18
Big guy, not 6ft though
Also highly doubt that he weighs less than 200 lbs
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 5/Mar/18
"He was still over 5ft 11 easily enough I thought, I'd still estimate he might measure in 5ft 11.5 range barefoot."
Rob, why don't you give him that now and 6ft peak?
said on 22/Feb/18
"I wish I knew how to film a video of me measuring myself"
Pretty sure Rob has something like that in regards to how to do it, however i'm sure you will do it close enough where we could get a close enough mark for your height my friend.
I mean, you are not Glenn ( AKA Big G) so I'd say Rob would surely would consider Reviewing a video of yours.
I think Shredder valued some privacy so you'd have to blur a face out.
The Shredder said on 22/Feb/18
I wish I knew how to film a video of me measuring myself.
said on 21/Feb/18
Rob , If you did a mugshot for the bottom pic would you put yourself at just over 5'7?
I would always just put myself at the 5ft 8 line.
Jordan87 said on 21/Feb/18
New Picture adds a third aspect. I still say he looks the tallest with Shredder. He looks the shortest in the new picture I think, but It appears he is leaning more than Rob.
The Top picture looks to be the easiest call b/c they are both straight but he looks shorter than he does with Shredder.
Nice to now he was a cool guy, never heard anything bad about him.
said on 18/Feb/18
Rob , I asume you are standing more like 5'7.25 here with losing 2 cm , 0.8 ish , I'd still say he looks 5'10 there with the slouch of 4 cm , about 1.6 , so I'd still say he might look as big as 5'11.75 there , take away the little bit more footwear and he'd be around 5'11 1/2 in 2015. He could be as low as 5'11 1/4 , 5'11 1/2 now but no less.
This is of course if he is 5'10 minimum with that lean.
He was still over 5ft 11 easily enough I thought, I'd still estimate he might measure in 5ft 11.5 range barefoot.
said on 17/Feb/18
mugshot be added to the new pic? I 'm trying to see what he looks with the lean and how much do you think he is losing in posture here with you?
I'd have said he was 4cm off a measured height, I was about 2cm off my 173cm. I am not sure if he didn't actually understand that I wanted a 'salute' pose (Jeanette and Ricco were happy enough doing one)
said on 16/Feb/18
Thanks for the new pic Rob , What was his footwear like? He is leaning and looks like he'd be the listed height standing better!
It was amongst one of Jenny's folders, which I am also going through too. We have about 30 massive folders of photos/auto's and Jenny keeps all the phamplets/timetables/bits and bobs.
I know that day I was in Merrell's, which were in 0.7 inch, I had forgot exactly what he had, but looked and found This
, so a bit more.
The Shredder said on 16/Feb/18
I also have less footwear , I'm in 3/4 inch shoes , he was in some kind of black boots , I think the kind he had with Rob and Mamun which I assume are a good 1.25 , but I don't know.
I talked to him at his table for a good few mins , he was really cool , than he lifted himself up to the max with posture , grabbed his scarf , but it around his neck , than walked to around to go ask Linda Hamilton something , came back to me and bended over to take the pic.
All I saw from my eye sight and standing next to him alone was a " Tall Lean Guy " owning me in height as I felt like a kid. So much that he wasn't close to the 5'10 ers nor just slightly taller. Easily a good bit taller than them.
So standing there next to him and ignoring footwear I thought 5'11.75 is taller than I thought , I easily would have bought 6'0 and even after looking at footwear I thought under 5'11.75 was impossible , unless his shoes were at least 1.5 or more.
Jordan87 said on 14/Feb/18
SHredder including his lean I think he a good 5" on you, and you are 5'6 ( If I remember correctly) ? So he would look 5'11 with a Lean, so I guess 6 still ( Unless your picture is a little funky).
Again, I see 5" between you and Him and he does seem to be leaning. This certainly contrasts Rob's picture with him, showing him at 5'10.5". ( 5'6 eye-level, 5'10.5 tops)
Weird my man, b/c with you and with Topher Grace he looks like a good 6' foot ( At his current age mind you)
said on 14/Feb/18
Rob I think you have two other photos with him , can you maybe add another like you did Sean astin just to have another look at how he measures up to you?
I only got one physical printout from the first event, the second photo from Glasgow I haven't found to scan. I did find keisha/sean prints from glasgow last week, which were added. If I come across it while I am doing housekeeping on autos/photos I will add it.
said on 5/Feb/18
Rob , how much does he look to be losing next to Me? 1.5?
He can look over 5ft 11, but maybe not full 6ft, so again, probably in between.
said on 2/Feb/18
Well here I am with to him. I'm in 3/4 inch footwear , he was in similmar shoes he had on with Rob , which IMO are at least an inch or more and he was slouching next to Me and leaning in. I wouldn't be shocked if he dropped 1.5 to 2 inches
The Shredder said on 26/Jan/18
rob , maybe a peak and current?
said on 25/Jan/18
Perhaps the problem with the Pick is something like a combination between Michael Leaning backwards and also bending at the knees slightly to match ROb? Seems Rob is almost leaning into him. His eye level is exactly 5'6, that would yield Normally a 5'10-5'10.5 Man.
Again, I see a Sub 5'11 man in the Picture, his hair makes him 5'11 +, But at the same Time I do not think you are lying so there must have been something off with this photo that Perhaps ROb couldn't pick up.
Here is Michael Looking a Good 2" Taller than 5'10 Topher Grace.
said on 21/Jan/18
Rob , 5'11 5/8?
As a peak I think 5ft 11 ¾ is still probably very reasonable, but nowadays you could say he might be 5ft 11 ¼ to ½
The Shredder said on 6/Jan/18
I do love his honesty , he's only ever claim a flat 6'0.
The Shredder said on 26/Dec/17
Not every pic is flawed as far as heights , Rob next to C. Thomas Howell and Jason David Frank look exactly how they'd look in person , as for this pic I really question everything about it. Something is way off here , he shouldn't look this low.
Honestly he looked even more than 6 '0 to Me
said on 24/Dec/17
What if he loses his hair?Will he still be considered as 5ft 11.75?
Editor Rob: by the time he's bald he'll have shrunk another 1.5 inches.
The Shredder said on 28/Nov/17
I know it's hard for some to understand because they are basing too much on Rob's flawed photo , but the man is much closer to 6'0 than 5'11 ( let alone under) in person and Rob and Myself both agree on this , but I do agree he looks 5'11 in the photo. He actually looks barely 5'11 in my photo but He leaned in losing about an inch or more before my photo was taken. As listed is about right the times me and Rob met him , I doubt any less under he very recently lost height.
Sandy Cowell said on 28/Nov/17
@ EM and Rob:-
⭐ I wouldn't have liked to be Travis Van Winkle at school!
The nicknames......! 😡😵🙇 ⭐
The delightful Michael Biehn is due another guess from me so he gets 5ft11.75, as I very much doubt whether he's grown or shrunk 📏 since my last vote!😉
said on 27/Nov/17
Did he really look any taller than Travis Van Winkle? Based on the photo I don't think he looks any taller than Travis.
Editor Rob: Biehn is (or was in early 50's) taller than Winkle in person.
The Shredder said on 23/Nov/17
I have to say that 4 years ago , when he stood next to me before I took my pic , that I really wouldn't have guessed him lower than this listed height , he looked closer to 6'0 guys to me than 5'11 or 6'1.
Slim 185 said on 11/Nov/17
5’11.50 tops imho.
Slim 6' said on 15/Oct/17
The French guy isn't trolling, he actually looks more 181 area tbh.
shredder said on 14/Oct/17
He is objectively 5'11.25 in the photo , but he is taller in person.
Pierre said on 12/Oct/17
Imo around a strong 5"11.25' here,strong 5"8' Rob is slouching a little more imo but seem to be a little closer to the camera imo
Shredder said on 1/Sep/17
6'0 peak is about right , He looked 5'11.75 at age 54 with Rob
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 30/Aug/17
Rob, maybe 6ft peak?
Jim Hopper said on 5/Aug/17
Not over 5-11"
RichardSpain said on 2/Aug/17
Seems 180 cm next to Rob . Maybe in his younger days was a strong 182cm
Rising - 174 cm said on 2/Aug/17
Pictures can be misleading and vary depending on camera position. Rob has demonstrated this on Mike Tyson's page, Carl Weathers and others. Michael guest-starred on Criminal Minds season 4 episode "Cold Comfort" and there's a good scene to compare him to 5'11" Joe Mantegna and Michael is definitely a bit taller face to face. Michael looks a solid 5'11" in this photo if Rob isn't dropping more height, so that's not a big leap to 182 cm or weak 6 foot range.
Btw, great photo, Rob. One of the best you have on the site, imo.
Jordan87 said on 17/Jul/17
If you track this idiot Charlie, he is famous for shaving 3" off Celebrs on this Site. Like Giving holyfield 5'11 when he is 6'1 with Rob.
5'10.5 Is not waaaay off Michael's Height. As In my past posts I had him at around that height myself b/c that's what he is in the picture.
If he gave you an Rob a taller impression in person that he could very well be above 5'11. I am going by pictures initially b/c thats all I've got.
That is not to say your or Rob is Lying b/c of some Agenda.
In other words If I met this guy and He was 5'11.5" instead of the 5'10.5" like in the picture, I would not be shocked either.
Keep in Mind I happen to be an avid Sci Fi Junkie and I Like Michael's characters he has portrayed. Also hear he is a cool guy so I'm not trying to downgrade his height b/c I dislike him. I think he looks under 5'11 but if you and Rob said he was taller, Then so be it he very well may have been.
Shredder said on 16/Jul/17
Jordan , Rob and myself both met him , no way in hell he is 5'10.5 , unless he had massive lifts in his shoes.
Jordan87 said on 13/Jul/17
1st Time in the History Of Reading your Posts where you are not that Off with your Estimate( In my ever so Humble Opinion).....Congrats, you Lunatic Troll.
Shredder said on 25/Jun/17
He looks 5'11 or just over in the pic , but Me and Rob both met him and as listed is the very less he can be before 2015
Charlie said on 23/Jun/17
He looks 5'10.5
the Shredder said on 18/Jun/17
Rob , in that case I am sure he was 6'0 in his prime.
said on 17/Jun/17
Rob was 5'11.75 the very most you thought he looked back in 2010?
Editor Rob: compared to the photographer, I wouldn't really go less than that.
Shredder said on 13/Jun/17
Trust me and Rob , he isn't below 5'11.5
World Citizen said on 2/Jun/17
Looks 5 ft 10.75
berta said on 5/May/17
i think eiher strong 182 ore weak 183 guy at peak he really looked 183 in terminator and aliens. well in most of his movies.he is a skinny guy so i would think that he is one of the guys that will loose height in a earlier age than someone with a little more muscles.6 foot peak an 5`11 1/2 today
said on 28/Apr/17
Rob , you thought about 5'11.5 now? He did look 6 '0 in the 80's.
Editor Rob: he looked a bit more frail...but then I think he is a more shy guy than I would have thought, or maybe it's just taking photos with fans can be a bit awkward for some actors.
said on 27/Apr/17
Rob , you still thought he was this listing when you saw him recently? He didn't look 5''1?
Editor Rob: he could have been more 5ft 11.25 range...
Richardspain said on 27/Apr/17
I don't know guys..many actors is difficult know their height. The cinema have a lot of lies. I think the important to the actors is their looks and faces and voice and the greats moments they gave us.
About Michael he never was a solid 185cm maybe with footwear. I think he was a strong 183cm and today 182 cm no less.
berta said on 26/Apr/17
183 at peak. 182,5 today
Jordan87 said on 17/Apr/17
Funny that comment reminds me. My Cousins were young when the Original Terminator came out( 1984) and apparently all the females in the audience were gushing over Michael more than Arnold.
Shredder said on 8/Apr/17
This is a case where an actor is looking shorter than he really is. He is as listed minimum
176cm stu said on 7/Apr/17
The feature that allows you to see a height chart by scrolling your mouse over top of the picture is really useful! Good idea with that one
Film man said on 7/Apr/17
Bang on. Awesome actor, handsome chap, too.
Shredder said on 28/Feb/17
I give him 6'0 peak and 5'11.5 now , When Me and Rob met him He was as listed
King of the hill 91 said on 26/Feb/17
Could he be 183. 5 cm at some point peak or early morning do think peak he could be over 183 cm peak
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 25/Feb/17
Out of bed: 184-185cm
Before bed: 182-183cm
Shredder said on 14/Feb/17
Face to face I wouldn't have guessed just 5'11 or 5'11.5. The listed height was the lowest I though he looked.
Johan said on 13/Feb/17
Well if you measure in at 5'11.75" and claim 6 ft its not really lying, he probably wakes around 6'0.5" - 184 cm.
King of the hill 91 said on 11/Feb/17
Rob he and bill paxton are in there sixtys could they both lost height could bill paxton be 183 cm peak out of bed or maybe weake or flat 183 cm and could Michael be 183.5 cm peak maybe out of bed
Shredder said on 10/Feb/17
In person I wouldn't have given him less than this listing.
Sandy Cowell said on 7/Feb/17
I do think that the standard of Michael's films has been consistently high throughout his career!
I noticed he was pretty tall in the film 'Cherry Falls', where he is teaching his daughter, played by Brittany Murphy, 5ft3 according to her fansite, self-defence! He looked at least the height stated here!
The other night, I saw him in a film called 'Psych 9', playing a detective. This was a more up-to-date film, but Michael still cut a fine figure and didn't look like he'd lost much height, if at all! I believe the film was from a fairly recent year - 2010, so I will go ahead with a guess of 5ft11.5 for Michael.
Shredder said on 7/Feb/17
He only claims 6 ft , he might have been an honest one and lost a little height. In person he is over 5'11 , no matter what Rob's pic shows
berta said on 7/Feb/17
i think he was 183 peak but today he is 1/4 under this listing. he looks like a guy with small bones that would shrink early
said on 6/Feb/17
Rob, how likely is 6ft peak?
Editor Rob: you can still make a case for it, in Aliens I think he could have looked like it.
said on 6/Feb/17
Is it possible I could have saw him as a 6'1 er from that angle?
Editor Rob: it's not impossible, sometimes also the body frame/posture of someone can enhance how they look.
Last time I seen D'Lo brown standing about I thought the guy was no more than 6ft and barely taller than say Michael...but D'Lo can stretch up to at least 6ft 1 range...but you wouldn't think it based on his frame and how he stands around on his own.
said on 6/Feb/17
Rob , another question on him , I saw him from this angle in your video at 4:26 when I met him ... Click Here
, now I was maybe standing a hair under 5 ft 7 in my footwear , so if he was standing about 6'1 in his then what height could I have seen him at with him having more footwear and from that angle?
Is it possible I saw him bigger than he actually is?
Editor Rob: sometimes angles or the level a person holds their eyeline can fool us...
if you asked me who looked taller beside Malcolm (the photographer) out of these guys: Michael, Cumberbatch, Jamie Campbell Bower, I'd say Jamie was the taller out of those 3, with not much between Michael/Benedict, but possibly Michael edging...it's hard to say because slight footwear differences, but Jamie seemed much nearer Big Alex for instance.
said on 4/Feb/17
Rob , what would he measure in shes? The ones you met him in?
Editor Rob: a possibility of almost 6ft 1, I know that day I was in an exact inch heel so I was a solid 5ft 9 in shoes.
said on 27/Jan/17
Are you losing any height here ?
Editor Rob: not losing much that moment.
said on 27/Jan/17
Rob , can you add that other pic of him from this same event? He actually looks taller in it.
Editor Rob: I'm still in movement, so Malcolm retook it and this is the photo I have.
Unfortunately on the other occasion at Glasgow, he wasn't up for doing the salute pose (like I asked Ricco Ross and Jenette Goldstein to do, and they were happy).
Shredder said on 18/Nov/16
He's not that short in person , He is about the listed height.
Redwing said on 17/Nov/16
If you were straight he'd be 2 inches taller than you, he must 178.5-79 cm tall.
Shredder said on 4/Oct/16
3 years ago he was over 5'11 with ease . In fact he looked taller than Guys other 5 ft 11 guys like jon Bernthal
philll said on 3/Oct/16
he look a fraction over 5"11 there but he has better posture so id say 5"11 or a bit over
said on 22/Sep/16
Rob, how likely is 5ft11 flat today?
Editor Rob: it's possible he is nearer 5ft 11 and change than nearly 6ft
S.J.H said on 21/Sep/16
He doesn't look taller than bill paxton with rob. Seriously after those 6'0 listed actor with rob usually get downgrade here at 5'11.5-5'11.75 like david anders , bill paxton , christopher gorham , michael bieh here they all llook the same height like a typical 5'11 get listed or claim an inch up
said on 1/Sep/16
Rob , would you say this is a rare case where he is losing more than he appears? He looks just 5'11 or at best 5'11.25 or so in this pic , but me and you both met him and thought closer to 6 ft. I just can't picture him measuring under 5 '11.5 after seeing him in person.
Editor Rob: in the same way Tyson can look a bit taller than he is? Yes, because Biehn is at least 1.5 inches taller than Tyson in person...
Shredder said on 11/Aug/16
I saw him in early 2014 , he looked like a 6 footer , maybe he lost some height or his footwear was bigger than I remembered.
MSA said on 10/Aug/16
I have met Michael Biehn and Mads Mikkelsen this year both in the afternoon. Both are listed at 5"11.75' but Mads looked taller. I think Michael is 5'11 in the afternoon.
Shredder said on 3/Aug/16
In the pic he does appear 5'11 . In person he was taller as he can be losing posture somewhere.
gian92 said on 28/Jul/16
the measurements report 5'11
Jordan87 said on 19/Jul/16
Give him 5'10.5 already....bc that is what he is my friend. Heh Heh
said on 17/Jul/16
Rob , give him 5'10.5 already ;)
Editor Rob: he'll be nearer that in 15 years.
Shredder said on 16/Jul/16
His hair was flat when I met him , He looked way taller than 5'10.5
Jordan87 said on 15/Jul/16
He may have given you a 6 foot impression but if anything Rob has the Worse posture in the pic above. His hair puts him at 5'11. He is 5'10.5 now, maybe he was a bit taller in his younger years but he is not a 6 footer nowadays.
I understand people like certain Celebs b/c they grew up on their Movies ( Yes Michael Was excellent in Aliens) so it influences them to try to make them taller. The fact is this Man is not 6 feet tall, is more 5'10.5, 5'11 tops now. Maybe in his prime, but Shredder I think his hair influenced you b/c even with it in the pic above he is 5'11.
said on 30/Jun/16
This is exactly what he looked like when I met him , In fact that was the after noon I met him. I'm trying to find video or Photos of his footwear. When he stood up by his booth , I thought he looked 6 ft easily.
Jordan87 said on 23/Jun/16
I know in Terminator 1984, on the police Radio ( Once Reese and Sarah Escaped the Police Station) he was described at 6'0 175. He was a lean guy in that movie he would have to be around 5'11-6'0 to weigh 175lbs with his lean frame. Really was a Small guy in comparison to Arnold who must have weighed 230 in T-1.
Shredder said on 22/Jun/16
His hairline starts about 5'10.25 , that is not the top of his head. He really does look 5'11 ish here. He might be losing height somewhere in this pic. Rob might be too
Jordan87 said on 21/Jun/16
In reality judging by the pic his head is actually more 5'10.25" which is weird he always gave me a taller impression, especially in aliens he was taller than Bill Paxton who was at least 5'10.5.
said on 20/Jun/16
Rob , can you make a line where his head ends?
Editor Rob: it would be roughly 5ft 11 there, but then he is taller up close than jon berthnal I'm sure you'd agree...and Jon 'look' 6ft in one photo.
Jordan87 said on 20/Jun/16
He may look over 5'11 in person, I guess Rob's above picture is nothing to go by b/c he is 5'10.5 in it. Not sure I have never met the man but he looks 5'10.5 if we are going by the Picture with Rob, Nothing taller.
said on 19/Jun/16
He's taller than 5'10 guys like Jason David Frank , C.Thomas Howell in person etc , He also was taller than 5'10.5 , 5'11 Jon Berthal in person. The guy is at least 5'11.5 in person , Unless his footwear was more than I thought.
Editor Rob: the last time I seen him in Glasgow, he still looked somewhere in 5ft 11+ range, but he wasn't standing as well with people.
Shredder said on 18/Jun/16
No way was he 5'10.75 , he would have looked less than 5'11 in person. Looking at the line he is at least 5'11 next to Rob. I can maybe see 5'11 arguments , but 5'10.5 is crazy.
jtm said on 18/Jun/16
what's more confusing is rob even looks like he's losing more height!
Jordan87 said on 16/Jun/16
Top of his head is only at 5'10.5. Where are people getting over 5'11 from? That's his hair people. If we are counting Hair then Lady GAGA is 5'9.
Shredder said on 15/Jun/16
In Person he looks his listed height with ease and his 6 ft even claim is believable , with that said he only looks slightly over 5'11 with Rob.
berta said on 14/Jun/16
in this photo he doesnt really look taller than a weak 180 guy then he have boots on wich make him 179. But maybe the pgoto fool ut because in all his Movies he looks like a 183 guy
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 29/Mar/16
Rob, who gave a taller impression, this guy or Bill Paxton?
NBAer said on 24/Feb/16
Looks 180-181cm range to me,don't know about his peak...Maybe he's more 5'11.25, Rob?
Spike said on 19/Feb/16
Easily a 6 footer (183cm) in his prime.
said on 14/Dec/15
Rob , do youthink in person he appears taller than your picture shows? He does look only about 5'11.25 here.
Editor Rob: this year he still looked a good 5ft 11 range, if he has lost a small fraction it's hard to tell
the shredder said on 4/Dec/15
He does honestly only look a good 5'11 here , but in person he was tall. He was taller than a 5'11 guy like Jon Berthal in person.
Lonestar said on 3/Dec/15
No he does'nt even look 5'11.25 at lowest let alone 5'11.75 and 6'0. He still lucky to 5'11
said on 2/Nov/15
Rob , new pics up soon?
[Editor Rob: doesn't really add much to the page]
Rey said on 30/Sep/15
He does look closer to 6' IMO.
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 30/Sep/15
"Peak height was 6ft 0in (183cm)"
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 28/Sep/15
Taller than Paxton, IMO.
said on 7/Sep/15
Rob , my facebook is acting up , I couldn't read your reply about him.
[Editor Rob: I would still say somewhere around 11.5 today is possible.]
Bionic117 said on 4/Aug/15
Hi Rob, From your previous comments it seems you believe (as I do) that he was comfortably 6ft/ 183 until maybe the last 5 years or so where he has lost a fraction of height with age. If that's accurate could you please make the addition of his "Peak Height" of 6ft (183cm) to this page as you have done with many celebs who have lost height with age. Cheers.
the shredder said on 2/Jul/15
Rob , If you are not closer or in front of him , than 5'11.5 seems better , He really looks under 6 foot here.
glynny182 said on 2/Jun/15
could he of been a full 183 in the 80s Rob or would you say he could not of reached that height even at his peak/prime
said on 2/Jun/15
could he of been a full 183 in the 80s Rob or would you say he could not of reached that height even at his peak/prime
[Editor Rob: he could have been a few mm taller in 80's than when in his 50's.]
said on 9/May/15
Rob is 5'11. , 5'11.25 possible? He looks it with you.
[Editor Rob: almost 6ft I think is what he would measure near.]
the shredder said on 15/Apr/15
Honestly looked more 6'0 than 5'11 to me.
Shane said on 14/Apr/15
Worked with him several years ago. Solid 6'0 barefoot in the sand.
Actually my brother and I were surprised how tall he was in person.
Super nice guy, very easy going.
The shredder said on 1/Apr/15
He is well over 5 '11 , the shortest he seemed was 6 '0 .
Sean73 said on 27/Mar/15
Looked a solid 6 foot in the 80's.He's gotta be in the next Alien movie!Fingers crossed!
the shredder said on 26/Feb/15
Dave Mav , Face to face with him I witnessed the same , a good 6 '0 .
Dave Mav said on 25/Feb/15
weird, because face to face he seemed a little over 6'! but in this he looks the billed 5'11.5 or so
Hypado said on 7/Feb/15
Bon_ said on 2/Feb/15
Pardon me, I said I'm 184 cm flat at my lowest. However it seems it's really 184.5 cm(184 cm flat when I do alot of walking/excercise on certain day).
Concerning Michael Biehn, 5'11.75 for his generation is a great height, something like 6'1-ish for today's 'white' youth. And still even today it's a great and very aestethic looking height.
the shredder said on 23/Jan/15
Me , Rob , and Mamun saw 6 ft , there has to be a catch to it
Alex 6'0 said on 22/Jan/15
He does have a long forehead so his eye level is going to be more from top of his head than 4.5 inches. 5 inches from top of head seems right. I still see 3 inches. 5'11.25
the shredder said on 21/Jan/15
Looking again , he looks over 5 '11 with Rob . Me and Rob did not see over 5 '11 for nothing , He has a long forehead.
the shredder said on 19/Jan/15
When I met him he looked well over 5 '11 , more 6 ft , but he does look 5'11.25 at best here and not even 5'11 in my pic.
184.3cm said on 19/Jan/15
He can look like a 181cm guy but his forehead is pretty long so i think 182cm is fair but id say more 5'11.5 than a guy pushing 6'.
Alex 6'0 said on 19/Jan/15
I think 5'11-5'11.25 is what he would measure. I see about 3 inches or maybe just below. Also I clearly look to have an inch more on Rob than he does
the shredder said on 9/Jan/15
He only looks 5'11 to 11.5 with Rob but I met him and thought 6 ft easily.
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 7/Jan/15
Rob could 5ft11½ be closer or are you still convinced that he's literally just a couple of millimetres off that magical 6ft mark?
said on 9/Dec/14
Rob , do you know the photographer is fore sure 5'11.5 ?
[Editor Rob: without measuring him he's as close to that, sometimes he'd wear converse, a boot or mountain style shoe.
said on 8/Dec/14
So he looked almost 6 ft , meaning 5'11.75 to you ? Maybe 5'11.5 is closer? I really can't tell a 5 '11.5 guy from 6 ft just by looking at them next to nothing but a background lol. I personally thought a good 6'0 with more footwear than me.
[Editor Rob: it helped the photographer was close to 5ft 11.5 himself...but people will look a general range, I think you can pinpoint it more if you have somebody whose height you know.]
said on 8/Dec/14
Rob , in person what's the tallest he looked? I thought he looked well over 5'11.
[Editor Rob: I thought in the 'almost 6ft' zone, but not as convinced of a full 6ft because those kind of boots he wears can give more than 1 inch.]
the shredder said on 1/Nov/14
He does look to weight a little more in Terminator than now , peak 6 '0 , now 5 '11.5.
Vibram said on 30/Oct/14
Easily weak 6ft back in good ol' 1984 when he made Terminator. Probaby 165lbs tops in that.
said on 25/Oct/14
Rob ,is he losing any height at all here and is he shoes the same height as yours?
[Editor Rob: I think he's standing decent, I have an exact 1-inch shoe, his were those kind of boots, I think These ones
he had on, so definitely no less.]
said on 24/Oct/14
Rob , he claims 6 ft here .. Go down to him talking about Hill St Blues.
the shredder said on 17/Oct/14
yea Rampage , he for sure is over 5'11 . I met him too. No way under 5'11.5.
said on 14/Oct/14
Rob, are you sure he's pushing 6ft?
He looks nowhere near it beside you
[Editor Rob: well he's over 5ft 11 that's a certainty!]
said on 25/Sep/14
Rob are you losing height in the pic?
[Editor Rob: slight leans sometimes barely take away height, I mean look at me with Matthew Davis - I leant left but didn't drop much height, a small fraction.]
The Shredder said on 20/Sep/14
Seemed taller than listed in my face. I thought more like 6'0.5.
judd said on 18/Sep/14
5'11.5"-75" with rob
the shredder said on 17/Aug/14
5'11 to 6 ft is what he would measure. I did notice he looked taller when he first stood up behind the table than when we took the pic.
Alex 6'0 said on 16/Aug/14
Shredder, he had slightly bigger footwear like 1/4 inch you said but also was leaning slightly in the pic. In your pic he would have looked maybe 5'11.5 taking those into account.
Alex 6'0 said on 15/Aug/14
That's true people can measure a bit different than they look in pics. I can look 4-4.25 taller than Rob but it was 3 7/8 difference when measured. Biehn looks 3-3.25 taller but could be 3.5 but no more. With a 4.75 eye level it does look more closer to 3 inch difference. 5'11.5 is fair but 5'11.25 I think can be spot on.
the shredder said on 15/Aug/14
Maximus , I met him too , He had bigger shoes than me but appear a strong 6 '
Maximus said on 14/Aug/14
Easy 5'11" to 6'......there is a definite difference between him and Rob by at least 3 to 4 inches.
said on 13/Aug/14
Yea Rob , what would you see is the difference between you and him? I see 3.25.
[Editor Rob: I think it is in 3-3.25 range, but measured difference might be 3.5in range.]
said on 12/Aug/14
Rob, his eye level is 5 inches you'd say?
[Editor Rob: with some hair recession (maybe a half inch for him) it can make your forehead start looking longer, but I would say maybe 4.75.]
said on 9/Aug/14
Rob , can 5'11.5 be a better fit ? He is barely 3.5 over you and had a fraction more shoe .
[Editor Rob: in 80's near enough 6ft I think is good enough for him, by 2010's maybe he could be a little bit less]
the shredder said on 8/Aug/14
alex , after really looking again , he does not even look 3.5 over Rob and he has a fraction more footwear , he can't be 5'11.75
the shredder said on 8/Aug/14
really don't see more than 3 , 3.5 with rob. 5'11.5 is a better shout
the shredder said on 3/Aug/14
He was at least 5'11 in person. an Uncle of mine is 5'10.25 and Beihn looked bigger next to me than he does.
Alex 6'0 said on 2/Aug/14
5'11.5 max with Rob really
the shredder said on 31/Jul/14
He looked no less than his listed height next to me when standing at his fullest
PLB said on 29/Jul/14
In retrospect, I wish he had been the governor of California.
Speaking of Arnold, they appear to have been just about the same height. Biehn was one of the best actors to ever favor an action picture while Arnold was just about the worst.
In terms of physique of course Arnold was much heavier but Biehn was very fit and didn't have Arnold's bad heart. In some kind of decathlon Biehn might win.
Of course Cameron worked hard at making Arnold look bigger but I'll have to pay attention next time I watch it. Biehn might be taller.
the shredder said on 26/Jul/14
Rob is 6' 0 Peak
said on 16/Jul/14
Rob, would you say the 175 lbs on his weight now or doing
[Editor Rob: probably not much different nowadays to his 80's, which seemes in 170=80 range]
the shredder said on 6/Jul/14
Thanks Rob , I thought he lost about an inch before the shot was taking , He was standing for about a good min or 2 before we took it. I talked to him for like 8 mins lol , he was very cool to me. Honestly when he stood I did not think he looked less than about 6'0 , he for sure looked a good bit taller than Norman reedus and C.Thomas Howell next to me. He had more footwear than me though.
said on 6/Jul/14
rob , how many inches between me and him in my photo ?
[Editor Rob: maybe a bit more than 4, how much posture he can lose is always a harder thing to guess, sometimes a half inch or 1.5 inch can be hard to tell in a moment!]
the shredder said on 4/Jul/14
He has a long forehead , I see at least 3.5 with him and Rob , He looked 6'
0.5 in person to me but had more shoe height , No way was he just 5'11 when he stood good next to me , when we took the pic he was leaning.
Alucard said on 1/Jul/14
Looks between 5'10 and 5'11 with you Rob, maybe 5'11 spot on, but absolutely nothing more...
the shredder said on 24/May/14
He does have a long forehead in person , He honestly looked a good 6 ft to me
Alex 6'0 said on 23/May/14
Shredder, His forehead is longer than average making his eye level look in the 5 inch range. He really looks right at 3 inches or slightly more taller than Rob. Yea 5'11.25 at worst but 5'11.5 I think may be spot on
said on 23/May/14
Rob , even though I saw him 6 ft , Alex thinks he looks 5 '11.25 in your pic and mine.
[Editor Rob: I think almost 6ft is fine for him...that's what he looked.]
Alex 6'0 said on 22/May/14
5'11.5 Id say. He is def shorter than Mark Selby who is a solid 6'0 on here.
said on 10/Apr/14
He had something like this when I saw him ... Click Here
I had on theses ... Click Here
[Editor Rob: yeah it was like that style, which can give a fraction over an inch.]
said on 9/Apr/14
Rob , how much more shoes did he have? was he in boots?
[Editor Rob: not boots like timberland but more a hike style, I don't think really much more than an inch (which is what I was wearing).]
the shredder said on 7/Apr/14
He looked about 6'0.5 next to me when standing fully with his boots. As listed is perfect.
Kyle Reese said on 4/Apr/14
I think he may have been a full 6 foot in the 80's, to be honest. Looked tall next to Linda Hamilton in The Terminator. And after the scene where Arnie kills the gun shop owner, he towers over a few pedestrians.
the shredder said on 31/Mar/14
He looked more than 5'11.5 to me , he was a good 6" to 6'1 in boots.
Connor 184.5-185cm said on 29/Mar/14
Micheal looks more 181.5cm with you Rob i think maybe he could be a weak 182. He did look close to 6ft in Aliens though, i can believe he was a legit 6ft in the 80s.
the shredder said on 25/Mar/14
He looked over 6 ft standing fully by me but he did have boots on. He might be a weak 6 ft. Even though he looks under 5'11 in my photos.
Arch Stanton said on 23/Mar/14
Yeah I guessed about 6 ft. he looked a bit taller than Sigourney in Aliens. Still looks good at his age.
the shredder said on 26/Feb/14
He was leaning a bit , he was strong 6'0 next to me but had boots , I'm sure a good 1/2 over me.
the shredder said on 24/Feb/14
He looked 6 ft easily next to me in boots.
Anon said on 23/Feb/14
He looks 5'10.5" max with the shredder...
said on 22/Feb/14
Rob He only looks 5'11.5 with you
[Editor Rob: nearly 6ft is fair I think...
he looks a strong 6ft in a photo with an agent that day, but then the agent who gets photos isn't a guy who stands that well at times...]
said on 13/Feb/14
Rob he was leaning in but I agree he does look about 5'11.5 in my pic ... I think he could have added about an inch in posture , still he had boots and I had water shoes on. I think he is as listed , I did feel short next to him though lol.
[Editor Rob: he might measure very near 6ft, but I felt I had a 182 guy standing there with him and thought he was very similar.
Bon_ said on 13/Feb/14
I am 184.1 cm at night (6'0.5 on the dot) and if someone from the inch-measuring world asked me I would have said I'm about 6'1, because six feet and half inch sounds weird.
said on 12/Feb/14
Here is my pic with him guys. He was in boots so about 0.5 more footwear ... I am standing about 5'6.25 here.
[Editor Rob: he doesn't look above 6ft]
the shredder said on 10/Feb/14
Looks barely 6 ft in my photo though lol.
the shredder said on 9/Feb/14
Really looked 6' , 6'1 range , had boots on , I have a pic
joe joe said on 22/Jan/14
list what normal person goes around saying they are 5'11.75 anyone in the normal world outside of this site who is 1m82 says they are 6 ft. even if you go to the doctors and they measure you at 182. they call it 6 foot. no one goes around say "oh I'm 5'11.75" thats weird. reading through some of the posts is a little infuriating. Im 1m 85 which i guess is just under 6'1 but I still say I'm 6'1 not 6.075. that would be weird and a little bit crazy
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 18/Dec/13
Maybe 6ft in the 80s, Rob?
said on 19/Mar/13
Rob he looked 5'11.75 if his shoes was just 1 in ?
[Editor Rob: I think around 182 is probably fair I feel]
Stephen said on 10/Jan/13
181, not quite 182
tom said on 5/Jan/13
LG69 said on 8/Nov/12
Not quite 4" difference. Plus his shoes had "possibly more" lift than Rob's shoes. I'd say 5'11.5" tops.
mofo said on 20/Oct/12
He looked about the same height as Sigourney Weaver in Aliens!
Lo sgozzatore said on 20/Oct/12
Well, its legit if he claims 6'! If he really is 182, he's close enough to say 6'! Thats when 5'11 people (see Timberlake) claim 6'2 that it gets ridicolous!
said on 18/Oct/12
Rob, he claims being 6 foot even in this interview:
matt678 said on 14/Oct/12
5ft11 flat in this pick with rob
said on 5/Oct/12Click Here
5ft 11.75 back then?
george said on 4/Oct/12
You may find it interesting that there are racial differences in arm span. Blacks have longer arms in proportion to their body than whites. I used to watch boxing matches and noticed that a black guy who is 5'9" or 5'10" would have a reach about the same as a white fighter who is 6'2." Also, women have longer legs in proportion to their body than men. I've noticed that a woman who is 5'8" might have legs as long as a man who is 6.'
Dmeyer said on 20/Sep/12
5 ft 11.5 today 5'11.75 peak 0.25 in loss is normal by 50 plus , on c minds seemed near 182cm At worst strong 181cm like me
Marcus said on 19/Aug/12
He appears to be 5'10.5" in the picture with Rob.
Fakhrul Islam said on 1/Aug/12
I think hes 5 ft 10 3/4 to 5 ft 11
Dmeyer said on 17/Jun/12
Looks more 5'11 in photo at 54 0.25 in loss is pretty normal
John (Tottenham) said on 19/Nov/11
Having him beloe 6 doesn't seem right. If he says he is 6 feet, why not list him as 6 feet?
boby said on 9/Nov/11
he is amazing i love him so much ,, he is really attractive
said on 8/Nov/11
hey ROB , i want to ask u how 2 persons that have the same height have a different reach ? ( i dont know what is the relation between height and reach ,can u plz explain that to me ).. thx a lot in advance :)
[Editor Rob: there is some variation in armspans or reach at the same height. You could have one person with height:armspan ratio of 1:0.98 and another with 1:1.06, so they'd have a bigger reach.]
somebody new said on 5/Nov/11
I think he looks 181-183 cm range in the pics. More 181-2
Tom101 said on 5/Nov/11
5'11.5 mark for sure
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 2/Nov/11
1.80-81m in the pics
said on 31/Oct/11Click Here
The man from challenge 2 is 6'1 3/8th. Michael looks 2 inches shorter. He's 5'11.25.
Maximus said on 29/Oct/11
seems to be a 4" height difference between rob and Michael....6' is about right.
Maximus said on 29/Oct/11
6' is fair....nothing below that....looks 6' compared to sigourney weaver in aliens. It is obvious that he is at least 6'
Balthier said on 28/Oct/11
Come with me if you want to live! He looks surprisingly tall next to a 5'8 guy but I guess that's what a 6 ft guy look like. The more I have been on this site and the more I have measured people, the more a realize that 6ft actually is kinda tallish looking.
carnegie said on 25/Oct/11
this guy loooked huge in planet terror he did look very close to 6ft
TruebloodFan said on 25/Oct/11
@the shredder says on 25/Oct/11
This guy is an awesome actor ... the Oscars are about your actor friends voting for you ... Btw , Legend , I don't understand ... your height is a perfect height .
Ancient Greek perfect proportioned statue was based on a 5'10 man. I've already said my opinion about the perfect height being 5'10(but only if your proportions are flawless). 5'11 and 6' is also excellent but 5'10 is the best. More than 6' is unnecessary, cause 5'10 is already tall enough. 5'9 is good, but only good and 5'8 is not bad, but only not bad, nothing more than that. it's funny when 6'.5'' guy claims 6'2 just cause he's clearly taller than 5'8-5'10 bunch around him and thinks everyone's blind.
if you're well proportioned, your height is best from an aesthetic point of view. self confidence that more often comes with a tall height than an average one is an other subject. if we're talking Greeks, Leonardo da Vinci, etc. ~5'10 rules any height.
TruebloodFan said on 25/Oct/11
Biehn really looked legit 6ft or even more in all his movies. I'm kinda surprised with under 6' listing, but next to Rob, he does give a 5ft11.5-.75 impression. must be his age.
the shredder said on 25/Oct/11
This guy is an awesome actor ... the Oscars are about your actor friends voting for you ... Btw , Legend , I don't understand ... your height is a perfect height .
PatB said on 24/Oct/11
Beihn was a tremendous actor who probably should have won the Best Supporting Oscar for The Abyss. He had a studio campaign behind him but didn't get it. In The Terminator he was better looking and a better actor than Schwarzenegger and probably in better shape considering Arnold's heart. I figured he was fated to be the next governor of California.
What's the difference between 6'0" and 5'11.75" ? I vary more than that in a day.
Legend said on 23/Oct/11
Sorry about that shredder :( lol
Maximus said on 23/Oct/11
not a short guy.....6' sounds fair...definetly doesnt need lifts.
Lei Hei Parker said on 22/Oct/11
I am the same height and im only 14 hope I grow 6' more inches
Alex said on 22/Oct/11
It does appear on here most guys will say the perfect height is 6'1-6'1 1/2 range. In shoes I am in that range so I got a feeling of how it would be that tall but just not barefoot
Maximus said on 21/Oct/11
6' is fair. Definetly one actor who doesnt need elevator shoes. Sometimes you get taller than average guys wearing shoes with big heels but the truth is they dont really need it.....its actors like pacino, hoffman, cruise etc that need the lifts...not michael bien, arnold, vin, the rock, etc....these guys are 5'10" and above which puts even the 5'10" guy with regular shoes at 5'11" to almost 6'
said on 21/Oct/11
Rob, at what age would you consider adding peak and current height for a celebrity? Around the 55/60 mark i would assume but is it based on the individual or just in general? Beihn at 54 is not far off 57 Malkovich who does have peak and current height.
[Editor Rob: once you get into 60's the chances of half inch loss are more than 50-55 range...I think half inch losses are better to list than little 1/4 inches]