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Marilyn Monroe's Height is 5ft 5.5in (166 cm)

American actress best known for movies like Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, Some Like it Hot, The Seven Year Itch, How to Marry a Millionaire, Let's Make Love, The Misfits, River of No Return and Niagara. Her official site gives her this height and 140lbs, although she was typically nearer 120 range. Her vital statistics given in the 50's vary, but generally these were Bra Size 36, waist 23 inches, Hips 34-5 inches.

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Steve said on 19/Aug/15
Unless the Department of Defense measured her barefoot, they went with what she told them.

Official documents routinely list innacurate heights. I'd bet half the US driver's licences as well as passports have inflated heights listed.

That said, I believe Marilyn was at least 5'4" and could have been 5'5".
M said on 18/Aug/15
@Sam this is an excellent proof that she was 5'5" - Now nobody can denie it.
Sam said on 2/Apr/15
Probably been linked before but her Department of Defense passport states 5'5.5" and 118 pounds.
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177cmGuy said on 7/Mar/15
5'5 it's the most traditional height for a U.S female. Certain body proprtions can make you look tall or short but they don't actually tell you the exact height. Somebody might look tall or short but doesn't always mean they are.
Arch Stanton said on 4/Nov/14
Rob any chance of a photo from preferably Some Like it Hot era and adding The Misfits, River of No Return and Niagara? I think her role in Monkey Business, a majestic comedy film wasn't really that notable, it was largely all Grant and Ginger, and Bus Stop was a piece of **** of course hehe.
littlesue said on 20/Aug/14
Think people forget she was pregnant in Some Like it Hot and also Lets Make Love so she was fully in boobs and belly. Its a bit ridiculous how the 'Size 16' club in Britain have her as their role model as Marilyn, even at her largest would have measured a current size 16, a 12 maybe at the most
Sam said on 19/Aug/14
She was very curvy in Some Like It Hot, probably closer to the 140 lbs. mark then, she did look good in The Misfits.
littlesue said on 23/Jun/14
Agree she looks good in the misfits' looked luscious in SOme LIke it Hot too, nice curvy figure, she went really skinny the year she died, not a good look for marilyn
Arch Stanton said on 19/Jun/14
Best I saw her look was in The Misfits. She really does look very beautiful and lovely in that film. Most of the 50s though she looked too tacky and platinum blonde for my taste. She had beautiful innocent looking eyes though and a cute smile.
Arch Stanton said on 19/Jun/14
This looks questionable actually next to Eli Wallach in The Misfits. He was 2 or 3 inches taller and she was in heels!
walter said on 13/Jun/14
Aside the authopsy that confirms her height (1,66 m), you can watch her standing up close to Ethel Merman in the final number "There's no business like show business" and both Marilyn and Ethel are the same height and Merman 's height was 1,66 m
Brad said on 11/Jun/14
My mother walked by her lots of times when we lived near Sutton Place, so did I in one of those big baby buggies but don't ask me she just shook my rattle. Weak 5' 6" is the height.
walter said on 26/May/14
Monroe was 5' 5 1/2" is written in her authopsy and in other documents, case closed
Mon said on 16/May/14
If she was 5ft 5.5in she would likely have been rounded up to 5'6'' which was a height commonly attributed to star actresses of that era (apparently it was thought ideal for PR purposes). Doubtful she was even 5'5''. She looked taller onscreen or in stills because she was very photogenic, but next to Russell ... well, see for yourself

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Mon said on 14/May/14
Not quite that tall. Look at her with 5'7'' Jane Russell.
little sue said on 29/Dec/13
Remember Frank 2 who used to post on here? his Mom must have had some sort of job at the film studio's in the 40's and 50's as he remembers monroe,Liz Taylor etc visiting his MOm's house. He always reckoned Monroe was the same height as his MOther which was around 5ft 4
Arch Stanton said on 24/Dec/13
Rob can you add The Seven Year Itch to this list. Spot on I'd say at 5'5.5.
(S)aint 185 said on 6/Dec/13
Her driver license says 5'5 3/4". Search it for yourself.
Arch Stanton said on 1/Sep/13
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Belen says on 12/Jun/13
She is the most beautiful woman I've ever seen, but there's no way she was 5'5'' tall, that might be the way in which today's industry tries to approximate her to today's the movies she seems soooo small. I believe she was short, and not skinny...she was perfect the way she was.

Attractive yes, but not a natural beauty. I don't think she looks sooo small at all, in fact I think the could look tallish at times, average at others, not short like somebody like Teresa Wright or Debbie Reynolds. For some reason I've got the feeling that she smelled of greasy chips and bacon. Something made me think that she'd smell of fat, lord knows why!!
Arch Stanton said on 1/Sep/13
Spot on, weak 5'6".
Sam said on 25/Jun/13
Certainly no less than as listed. In her pics with Cary Grant from Monkey Business, she makes him look shorter than I've seen him look any place else. He looks often approximately 5 inches taller than her, not around 8 inches. However, in the picture with Monroe, Grant and Joe DiMaggio, Cary Grant does seem to be taller than DiMaggio, probably by a inch+.
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little sue said on 13/Jun/13
I never thought Marilyn looked short, she was easily around 5ft 4.5 to 5ft 5.5
Belen said on 12/Jun/13
She is the most beautiful woman I've ever seen, but there's no way she was 5'5'' tall, that might be the way in which today's industry tries to approximate her to today's the movies she seems soooo small. I believe she was short, and not skinny...she was perfect the way she was.
Chris said on 3/Nov/12
Her wax-work in Madam Tussauds is shorter than the listed height - but I'm not sure if the wax-works are completely accurate with regards to height. I stood next to her representation in the same pose, wearing the same height of heels and we looked almost exactly the same height - I am 5'3 (possibly and a half).
amber said on 24/Oct/12
Most woman of an average height would be underweight at 115-118 lbs. Ask your doctor, ladies. Please do not put impossible or unhealthy expectations on your own body according to someone's opinion. I am 5'5" and a normal build. I went to my doctor because I felt my weight was out of control and he told me I was only 20 lbs. overweight, at most. I thought I was over 60 lb.s overweight. 140-150 lb.s is a very healthy weight, as is 115-120s. It's just the way we are supposed to be.
Peter said on 24/Sep/07
How tall was Arthur Miller? Judging from pictures standing next to Marilyn I would put him at 6'1.5"
girlfriend said on 9/Sep/07
M.M. was a beautiful woman & had a great figure. If you compare some of the actresses from the past to the actresses & models of today the women today look sick & too thin-just imagine how thin these women must be in person. M.M. was her heaviest in "some Like it Hot" but she was every inch a real woman.
Mari said on 3/Aug/07
I read the Autobiography of Susan Strasberg--the daughter of the founder of The Actor's Studio in NY.She said that Marilyn's height was 5' it was no doubt that Marilyn was indeed 5'5 or better yet 5'5.5 in tall.
Truth said on 23/May/07
Frank2, did you ever get a chance to see Marilyn in person? If so, what is your opinion of her? Was she as beautiful as they say? What did people really think of her acting?

I recently watched "There is no business like show business" and I do believe she was shorter than 5 ft5. Donald (Tim) looked really short and Marilyn standing face to face with him and wearing heels was the same height.
Kevin T said on 10/May/07
"Marilyn was 140 at her heaviest, during filming of Some Like it Hot."

You must be joking. She had a double chin in that film..she looked at least 160 or heavier when she played Sugar. She looked more like 130-140 in The Seven Year Itch and Bus Stop. Around the time of her death, she did look much thinner, having gone on a crash diet after The Misfits, and the 117 pound number seems credible. Most of her acting career she was heavier than that.
Xx candyxX said on 1/May/07
I'm 5'5 and i find myself average around women, back then women were like 5'1 and men 5'7 no days, most women are 5'4-5'5 1/2 is average for the USA
Lee said on 8/Apr/07
The interview with Marilyn's costume designer was in 1982, and he was probably calling her "short" in comparison to the idea normal height for models and actresses in the 80's. I think 5'5 1/2" is average, and I assume most people agree.
Xx candyxX said on 3/Apr/07
back then 5'5 1/2 was tall. now days 5'4 is average for american white women
nicole said on 25/Mar/07
for lee's comment, i'm 5'5.5", and when i was 140lbs, i was a size four dress too.
it seems credible to me.
Lee said on 20/Mar/07
Leonari, please reread what I said before you fly off the handle. HER COSTUME DESIGNER SAID SHE WAS ACTUALLY VERY SHORT and was APPROX. 5'5. I personally do not feel 5'5 is short at all, I'm only 5'10 and I feel that is about average.
leonari said on 18/Mar/07
Lee: an american woman from this era at 5'5.5" very short?? Yeah man . Smart comment. Come on go on...You talk nonsense!!! Today this height may be short(even though it's not!!) but back in the 50's and 60's that was a fairly tall height for a chick: what do you consider tall for a girl? 5'11"? Man comments like these tick me off!
Lee said on 17/Mar/07
Marilyn was 140 at her heaviest, during filming of Some Like it Hot. She was also pregnant. In 1962, she weighed 117 lbs. Her autopsy report says she was 117 and her body was 5 foot 5 and 1/2 inches.

Look at nude photos of her taken by Tom Kelly in 1949. She has small but beautiful breasts and a flat washboard tummy. In 1962, Bert Stern took nude photos of her. She was very thin. Thinner than she was in 1949. Months after the photos were taken, she was dead.

You can't argue with the autopsy report of her weight and height. It is fact.

Bill Travilla, who designed her pink Diamonds dress, her white Seven Year Itch dress, and numerous others said in 1982 that she was actually very short, approx. 5'5. He also said her breasts were padded a bit and she often wore falsies to give the impression she went braless.

And finally, Christie's Auction house in their 1999 auction of Marilyn's personal items said all of her gowns that were not on hangers or tables were modeled on size 4 mannequins and forms, which surprised them because they believed she was larger than that.
Antron said on 5/Feb/07
she was 140lbs, there is no reason to lie about it Matt...
Anonymous said on 16/Jan/07
I enjoyed reading Frank2's comments! The truth is that a 1 1/2 inch height difference is fairly negligable, and very difficult to discern from photos and anecdotes. Maybe she was 5'4", maybe 5'5". Not much difference there at all. We're not talking the difference between 5'1" and 5'9" here. I'm 5'7" and 120 lbs, which has been "officially" measured many times, and people estimate my height between 5'6" and 5'9" and my weight always under 120, and those are all people who know me personally and could claim to be authorities. But they would be wrong! A website like this is fun, to be sure, but it's all speculation unless you have the celebrity on hand, along with an accurate measuring system!
Matt said on 10/Dec/06
Marilyn I believe the height but their is now way and i mean no way in hell she weighed 140 bs more like 115 lbs
Brad said on 22/Nov/06
5' 4" so says my mother. I was born down the hall from her 8/1/57 date of miscarriage. She was crying a lot. So was I.
John said on 29/Oct/06
Howard Keel who banged Marilyn for a while says she was 5'5" and he saw every inch of it
Leah said on 10/Oct/06
Wow. Not what I expected. I was told she was 5'2" Haha, I was really off I guess. Her curvier frame sure made her look shorter.
library nerd said on 22/Sep/06
If Frank2 ever read this: you have never met her, so you never can tell if she was 5'4, you're perfetic!! if the autoposy said 166 cm tall, than that it is, or do you think, they thought, oh, she's dead, just give her the extra 1 and half inch..? get a life! she didn't look real small, so I go with this height by the way.
sam said on 3/Sep/06
yes I noticed she was thinner, laura. Her face structure looked slighlty different and more longer.
k said on 18/Aug/06
just heard that they want to dig up marilyn and do modern tests on her! im not sure that theyll find anything after 40 yrs but you never know! i hope they do find out something though!
Laura said on 14/Aug/06
If you look at Marilyn's pictures before she died, especially in her last movie, she looked thinner, and my guess is she was probably around 125 by the time she was killed.
audrey said on 17/Jul/06
Marilyn could not have been under 125lbs. in the majority of her films. Her frame and bust simply wouldn't have allowed her to have her lushes curves without the weight.
E said on 29/Jun/06
Why are you all still talking about it? Her height according to the autopsy report was 5 feet 5.5 inches. Her weight was 117. You're arguing about verified facts. She certainly didn't grow after she died, did she? It is independent and corroborating evidence of her height.
Frank2 said on 26/Jun/06
Nobody is questioning Marilyn's place in history. She could have been 5' tall and it wouldn't have mattered as far as detracting from her abilities.

And of course no photo I ever publish has any "weight" if it goes against the official line.
Walter said on 26/Jun/06
Relax ! Don't be upset.If Marilyn height was 5'5.5" as the more important sources states or if she was 5' 4" as you say, it does not change what she was at all.
In the photo of Bus Stop, Marilyn is in a movement while Miss Field is standing up erected , so this photo does not have any weight .
You did not answered a word about the may 1962 photo of the spanish site, where Marilyn is standing up in front of ugly greekamerican coloratura singer Maria Callas who was 5' 7.5".Callas height was 5' 7.5" , this is a FACT.Can you show to all friends this photo ?.There are two photos taken in may 1962 but in one of them they are standing up together very close.Only one advise, please don't tell me ugly Callas was barefoot that night at the president Kennedy birthday.
Walter said on 24/Jun/06
I saw a photo of Gina who is visiting Marilyn in the shooting of "The seven year itch".Marilyn is dressed with the famous white dress.Could you search that photo ? I thought Gina height was 5' 3", if Gina height is 5' 4" as you pointed, then Marilyn height could be 5'5" or around that because in the photo it is noticeably that Marilyn is taller than Gina and I know Gina used the highest heels always.
Another very important photo is the one taken at Madison Square Garden in may 1962.Marilyn is standing up close to Maria Callas.I am sure Callas height was between 5' 7 " or 5' 7.5 ".This is absolutely accurate.In that photo it is noticeable Callas was taller than Marilyn but only two inches or even less.Please try to find the two photos of Marilyn with Callas in the spanish site.I don't know how to copy them to show them.
Another question, which is the real height of Zsa Zsa Gabor.She seems very short in every pic.
Frank2 said on 24/Jun/06
Gina is most likely around 5'4". Same height as Marilyn. Liz Taylor is quite short. I'd say no more than 5'2".
Walter said on 24/Jun/06
I do like Kim Novak since I was a kid.She was so beautiful, even today she is imposing.In my opinion Kim was a fine actress too, however can you explain me why the critics always trashed her ? he never got good reviews, only in Vertigo.I never understood why.
Doris Day had talent, I lo like her very much too.I will say I do love her because perhaps you become angry.When I do like an artist vey much, I say I love, I adore, etc.
Doris performance in "Love me or leave me" is a masterwork. she is GREAT ! and this is one of my very favorite films.Doris possessed a great voice too ! how she sings in that film ! the songs are sung masterfully.
Doris was fabulous , not specially beautiful but beautiful , but not sexy.Kim was a goddess, she was so beautiful and sexy too.Marilyn was beautiful and the most sexy of all.
You did not answer me about Gina Lollobrėgida height.I cannot beleive she is 5' 5", she always seemed to me she is around 5' 3".
Another big lie is Elizabeth Taylor height.5' 4" HAHAHAHA !!!!That is a joke ! I guess Liz height must be 5' 1" or even a bit shorter
Frank2 said on 24/Jun/06
You call me an idiot and then you say you're not angry?

And I don't like Marilyn? Far from it. I found her to be talented to a degree. She was sexy for sure. But I don't love her. Love for a celeb is kind of sick if you catch my drift. I love my mom, my brothers and I'm in love with my wife, but I don't love celebrity icons.

As far as Kim Novak goes, she was a better actress than Marilyn with a much broader range. Marilyn could never have played her role in Vertigo. Kiss me Stupid is an awful film, but it does demonstrate what a fine actress Kim was. You'd hardly know it was the same woman who played Madeline in Vertigo. Marilyn was always Marilyn. Not that it was bad. John Wayne was always John Wayne and he could be terrific. Novak was just better at her craft than Marilyn. In a cooler way she was just as sexy. In fact in real life I'd have gone more for Kim than Marilyn. And the funny thing is Kim is still around today. Fortunately for her, she had a private life that was never a tortured affair.
Larry said on 24/Jun/06
Watched HIS KIND OF WOMAN on TCM recently & Jane Russell was about 5 inches shorter than 6'1" Robert Mitchum, BUT subtract the 2" heel advantage she had in every shot in which feet were shown & the delta grows to about 7". Also, 6'4" Vincent Price was in this one too and she LOOKED 8" shorter, so would really have been around 10" less than him.
Weren't Shelley Winters & Marilyn once room mates? I SEEM to remember an interview with Ms. Winters from the 90's in which she said she & Marilyn were the same height. Ms. Winters claimed she was 5'4". Anyone else recall this interview?
Walter said on 24/Jun/06
Frank , I am not angry at all for what you told me.I read all your posts and I noticed you do not like Marilyn Monroe.I do love her.There is not any problem with this.If Marilyn was 5' 4" or 5'5.5" does not change anything for how Marilyn was.As you know so much of celebrities private lifes , etc.I always thought Gina Lollobrėgida height was about 5' 3", that's how she always seemed to me in all her many films.I do love Gina Lollobrėgida too !However I read in an official site that is written that Gina height is 5' 5".Is it accurate ?If Gina height is 5' 5" then we can agree Marilyn height was 5' 5.5" because there exists a photo with Marilyn using her famous dress of "The seven year itch".I guess the photo must be taken in the shooting of "The seven year itch" in Hollywood in sep 1954.Gina is standing up next to Marilyn and Gina is shorter than Marilyn.
Another remark, I do love Kim Novak too.You wrote Kim was a better actress than Marilyn.I do love Kim and I do love Marilyn.Why the reviews were always so unkind with Kim ? All critics trashed her in all her films with the exception of Vertigo.However I do love her performances in "Strangers when we meet", "Kiss me stupid" !!!! great !!!!, "Boy's night out", "Moll Flanders" etc
Frank2 said on 22/Jun/06
Look, I'm not Hedda Hopper, just a fellow who worked for forty years in the entertainment industry and met many of the celbs discussed on this website. My family was in it as well. I know what I'm talking about. And if you want to resort to name-calling, I'd suggest you look up the word idiot. It perfectly describes your shitty demeanor. You've never met any of these people yet you go by what you read from official sources and dismiss anything stated by me. Like so many fools, unless it's documented, you don't believe it. Well, so be it. Go by what the publicists tell you. You're a dream come true for them.
Walter said on 22/Jun/06
Frank 2: What a paradox ! You know Miss Russell friends, you took photos with her too, what a wonder ! You also know persons who worked with Marilyn.Aren't you Hedda Hooper ?Russell height was 5' 7", and what about the two Marilyn photos taken in may 1962 with the dreadful greek witch Callas who was 5' 7.5" ??? Now you are going to say that the dreadful greekamerican coloartura singer was barefoot that night and that you were there talking with her and Marilyn ? of course of clothes and jewels, but never watching Marilyn body of course.Idiot !!!!
Frank2 said on 22/Jun/06
Viv, you're dreaming. Marilyn had a serious weight problem as did Kim Novak who Columbia chief Harry Cohn used to call a "fat Pollock." (His words, not mine)

Marilyn was constantly fighting weight and during several films changed weight all over the place causing her wardrobe people to go bonkers. I know since I knew people who knew her as well as anyone. And she wasn't anywhere near being 5'5.5". I just called one fellow I know who worked with her closely and he swears she was about 5'4". I believe him. By the way, I knew Jane Russell since she was good friends with my folks. Somewhere I have photos of her when she was singing with Connie Haines, another close family friend and Beryl Davis. Russell was about 5'6". They performed at a charity benefit my dad put on.
Walter said on 22/Jun/06
Hello everybody:
Please watch the two photos taken in may 1962 at Madison Square Garden.Dreadful Maria Callas was 5' 7.5" or even 5' 8".The greek witch was barefoot that night and Marilyn using 5 inches heels ???? Oh please ! Marilyn height was between 5' 5.5" and 5' 6".Please look the photos from the sapnish site that Frank talked about
Walter said on 22/Jun/06
Dreadful Maria Callas was 5' 7.5" or 5' 8".Can you tell me what does it mean the photo taken at Madison Square Garden in may 1962 ???? from the spanish site Frank show us
Walter said on 22/Jun/06
Yesssssss, Marilyn's height stated in her official place: 5' 5.5" is accurate.
For those who say she was 5' 4", have you watched well the number "Little Rock" from "Gentlemen prefer blondes" ?.The ugly and tasteless Jane Russell height was 5'7".They both can be seen very well standing together and dancing and their heels are the same.It is a fact that Marilyn is only 4 cm or less than 2 inches shorther than awful Jane Russell
Viv said on 16/Jun/06
MM: The higher weight for Marilyn (140lbs.) was from when she was pregnant. She typically wasn't that heavy. And, you're right: she had all the right curves so she could make 140lbs. look lush and beautiful. :-)
Frank2 said on 16/Jun/06
No. I haven't met Beck. And why give it a rest? She wasn't 5'5.5". And her weight varied from about 120 to 150.
MM said on 14/Jun/06
I was just looking at her oficial website (Click Here) and while her height there is listed as 5'5.5", they say her weight varied from 115 to 120 lbs.
Not sure there the original poster got the 140lbs weight.

She was curvy all right, but not fat!
Rut said on 14/Jun/06
Give the woman a rest! 5 five and a half it is!
Love debating like this..
Frank2: have you met John Beck??
Frank2 said on 13/Jun/06
I would throw out anything said by her. Knowing what I know.
Nolifts81 said on 12/Jun/06
I've read her biografy.Miss Lytess was her recitation teacher and she lived with Marilin for about 5 years.In the book Ms Lytess says Marilyn's height was 164cm.
Parker said on 2/Jun/06
I think the most telling picture of Marilyn is the Alan Ladd picture. I doubt Alan was more than 5'6 1'2, yet he has at least 2 inches on Marilyn in the photo - admittedly you can't se their feet, but I wouldn't have thought Marilyn was bare footed.
S said on 2/Jun/06
I don't understand why people are always saying celebrities are shorter than they are.
Frank2 said on 1/Jun/06
Could someone please explain how Marilyn could have been nearly 5'6" when in the film There's No Business Like Show Business she's the same height as 5'6" Donald O'Conner? Marilyn is wearing what look to be at the very least, three inch high heels. They might even be four-inchers. O'Conner in normal shoes was 5'7" and he was not wearing lifts in that film so please don't use that as an excuse.
E said on 27/May/06
Her autopsy report states that she was 65.5 inches long and 117 pounds. Case closed.
Anonymous said on 20/May/06
You can't see her shoes in any of these pics (apart from the modelling one where you don't know how tall the guy is) and you don't know how tall those police men are.
Frank2 said on 18/May/06
Not on that clip. She wore a stunning gown and high heels and was considerably shorter than Murray. And the other day I happened on an early Monroe movie where she was in a shot with actor Paul Douglas who was no more than 5'11" and more likely was 5'10". He towered over here. In the same film when she was next to Kieth Andes who was well-over 6' she looked like a little girl. There is absolutely no way way Marilyn was close to being 5'6". She was more likely around 5'4". I just read where Paramount paid off the California DMV to put 5'10" on Alan Ladd's driver's license so when I read so-called official heights I usually dismiss them entirely. After all, this is showbiz and much of it is make believe.
S said on 17/May/06
She didnt always wear 4 inch heels, in every photo you just assume she 4 inch heels on. Yes, she was a fan of them but she often wore lower heels and when she wasn't out and she was just casual she wore flats a bit.
Frank2 said on 6/May/06
Last night TCM ran a documentary done by Ken Murray. I knew Ken since he and his wife Betty Lou were close friends with my parents. Ken was about 6' tall. Murray shot tons of 16mm home movies of various celebrities going way back to the early 1930's and knew just about everyone in Hollywood. In it he has a scene where he interviews Marilyn who's dressed to the nines. In high heels she was at least six inches shorter than Ken. Had she been nearly 5'6" and wearing four inch high heels she'd have been a lot taller. That's a fact.
Frank2 said on 5/May/06
Steadfastly claiming someone is nearly 5'6" who in real life was about 5'4" is sort of nuts. Watch her films. Compare her to other actresses who were definitely 5'6" and tell me she's as tall. Go to the earlier website I listed that has dozens of photos of her with various famous men and women and tell me she was as tall as some believe. Marilyn almost always wore the highest of high heels. If she was almost 5'6" then she'd have towered over shorter actors and she didn't. It's just common sense. After a while when people keep bucking common sense it does say they're a bit nutty. But then some think I'm nuts for spending so much time here, especially my wife.
richinkle said on 4/May/06
Does this really rise to the level of "insane"?
Frank2 said on 4/May/06
Don't ya know? Marilyn was 5'10". This is insane!
richinkle said on 3/May/06
I agree with Viv. I don't see more than 8" between 6'-1 1/2" +/- John Huston and Marilyn. That would put her in the 5'-5" to 5'-5 1/2" range.
Frank2 said on 23/Apr/06
This website in Spanish has some great Marilyn photos: Click Here
Viv said on 23/Apr/06
Good shot of Marilyn with Huston and Gene Kelly, Frank2. Can't see the shoes with her and Brando, though. The shot with her and Huston - Marilyn appears to come up to about his lips (taking into account her wig), which would put them at a difference of about 7"-8" in height. If Huston was about 6'1" at that time... She's wearing 3"-4" heels in the shot with Gene Kelly (she's too far from Yves Montand to make an accurate height difference there). 3"-4" heels would give her appx. 2.5" extra in height and they appear (if both were standing up straight - Marilyn is very slightly hunched, Kelly is slightly leaning) they'd probably be about the same height - Kelly may be a tad taller than her. I still don't see her shorter than 5'5" according to these photos.
Frank2 said on 20/Apr/06
Maybe Marilyn was nearly six feet tall when alive!
Viv said on 20/Apr/06
Wow, that's interesting... All I've ever heard about height in death was that there is a possibility of the body increasing a small amount in height due to being laid down. But, shrinking does make sense due to Rigor Mortis/muscle stiffness. Interesting indeed.
ForensicNYC said on 20/Apr/06
A deceased body loses height due to the effects of Rigor Mortis or severe muscular stiffness. The spinal column is compressed by the onset of spasms from 3 hours to 12 hours after loss of life. When a corpse is sent to deep freeze the skeletal joints are further reduced in size due to the low temperature. A loss of 0.5" to 1.5" is not surprising. If a body is measured in deep freeze it has no flexibility and thus stays the same height throughout. It is very rare for a body to "expand"...
Viv said on 19/Apr/06
Autopsy height recording can go either way. I've known people, either living or dead, who have been measured laying down and are measured the same height they are standing up straight against a wall to be measured (I am one of them, I am measured the exact same height whether standing up straight against a wall and laying down flat on my back). I'm sure there are some other people who may gain a half inch (possibly a little more) when laying down and being measured - whether alive or dead. It just depends on the person, I suppose. Not everyone gains extra height when being measured laying down, some do. It would be impossible to tell in this case as it would be in most cases - unless, of course, the person is alive and being measured and can correlate their flat-on-back height measurement to their standing-up-straight measurement. With autopsies, especially those of stars, it would be impossible to tell for sure if extra height was recorded in the autopsy or not.
hombre said on 19/Apr/06
According to her autopsy she was measuring 165-166 cm.

"External examination: The unembalmed body is that of a 36-year-old well-developed, well-nourished Caucasian female weighing 117 pounds and measuring 65-1/2 inches in length"

[Editor Rob: now the only question is...

does a body 'expand' 1/2 inch or so after death or not?]
Frank2 said on 17/Apr/06
I' telling you, Marilyn was no more than 5'4".
Parker said on 17/Apr/06
There are a further 2 photo's of Monroe with Ladd from the same event on the Ladd page that Rob posted. Its from the March 1954 Photoplay awards. Its a shame we cannot ses their feet. Personally I think it supports the Monroe 5'4 theory. If she has 3 inch heels on, it puts her at 5'7 with Ladd looking 5'9 on the photographs. My belief is Ladd was twix 5'6 and 5'7 (5'7 with military posture first thing in the morning!) - A 2 1/2" lift would be easily plausible.

If Monroe was 5'5 1/2, she'd be around 5'8 in the pics and Ladd at 5'10...again with lifts plausible but beginning to stretch it from a height of 5'6 1/2

[Editor Rob: yes, in the old days it was probably easier to control the feet, but the ladd thing does make her look 5ft 4 range for sure...]
Frank2 said on 17/Apr/06
5'6" Alan Ladd with Marilyn: Click Here
I'm sure Marilyn's wearing heels.

Editor Rob said on 16/Apr/06
"As a little girl I always wanted to be like the black marilyn monroe. She was so sexy. I think when you're short and you show skin, it makes you look taller, and it gives you the illusion that you're like Cindy Crawford" Tony Braxton.
Frank2 said on 14/Apr/06
She didn't lie. The studio and her agent lied. And it's very common. No surprise. No way was Marilyn nearly 5'6". I've seen most of her films and watched her with other actors and actresses who's height I'm certain of. She comes off as about 5'4". That was an average height for actresses back then.

I did learn something interesting when speaking recently with a doctor. It seems that when a body is lying flat on an autopsy table it becomes longer than it was when the person was alive and standing. Longer sometimes by an inch, even more. That explains my father being written up as 5'10" on his autopsy when at best he was 5'9.5" when he was younger.
Viv said on 11/Apr/06
Let's just agree to disagree on this one. I haven't seen anything legitimate here, or on film, that leads me to believe that Marilyn was shorter than 5'5" (and, why would she lie about the extra half-inch in that case?) I think she was simply one of the few actresses who didn't lie about her height.
And, yes, I can be swayed in a different direction that I originally thought. Look at James Dean. I had thought he was in the 5'8" range, but after studying a quality photo and hearing of family statements, I now see him in the 5'6"-5'7" range. Perhaps, closer to 5'7", but as low as 5'6". We're never going to know for sure, but I feel quite sure, from the legitimate evidence I know to be true and that I have seen, that Marilyn was in the 5'5"-5'6" range.
Frank2 said on 9/Apr/06
Here's a few observations made while watching How to marry a Millionaire. First off, 5'9" Cameron Mitchell is wearing what look to be huge lifts. They make him appear as if he was almost 5'11" barefoot. Lauren Bacall who was about 5'8" although I've heard some reports claiming she was closer to 5'7" wears about two and a half inch heels and in them is about an inch shorter than 5'11" William Powell who by that film had probably lost an inch. If you think he was 6' then watch the Thin Man sequel that had Jimmy Stewart in it. He was shorter than Stewart by at least four inches. In the film Manhattan Melodrama, Powell is shorter than Clark Gable by two inches. When Cam Mitchell and Powell stand together, both are about the same height. In one shot Mitchell actually looks taller by an inch. When Marilyn stands next to Powell and Mitchell she's at least four inches shorter. She's wearing at least three inch heels. Possibly even four inchers. When Marilyn is with actor Alexander D'Arcy who was about 5'11" she's at least five inches shorter and she's wearing quite high heels. I know D'Arcy's true height since in Soldier of Fortune he was slightly shorter than Clark Gable who by that film was no longer 6'1" as well as that he was a good friend of my dad and I saw him many times and he was about an inch and a half taller than my 5'9.5" father. But the key is when 6'1" Fred Clark and 6'3" Rory Calhoun show up and make Betty Grable look like a shrimp and when David Wayne who was a shrimp shows up and is the same height as Marilyn. I doubt Grable was any taller than about 5'3" and in the film she wore very high heels. In scenes with Marilyn she's about an inch and a half shorter. In other scenes they're closer in height so that tells me they wore heels with different heights in different scenes. There is no doubt in my mind that Marilyn was no taller than about 5'4.5". No doubt whatsoever. She looks far too short next to actors who appear 5'11" and with 5'7" David Wayne she's about the same height. Being 5'5.5" and wearing four inch heels would have according to Viv made her about 5'8" and no way is she that tall.
Frank2 said on 9/Apr/06
Marilyn with Napoleon: Click Here
(That is, Brando as the little corporal)

Maybe Jack Lemmon was 6': Click Here

Anyone know who the guy in the middle is? Click Here

Maybe Widmark was clsoe to 6': Click Here

I know Gable was near 6': Click Here

And I know Marilyn wore high heels in that previous shot as this photo shows: Click Here
Those are four-inchers.
Viv said on 9/Apr/06
Haylie, actresses have been adding inches to their heights from (at least) the 1930's. There were still some actresses (5'2" Jean Harlow is one) who's real heights were known. I would venture to say that 5'1" Norma Shearer was another, like Harlow, who's real height was known as she seems to stand that against other "measured" celebrities of known non-inflated height. Hmm...Veronica Lake is another well-known celeb height. She was 4'11", yet I've seen her listed at 5'2". Mae West was about 5' tall, but I've seen her listed at 5'4". Etc. Bette Davis and Joan Crawford are two I've seen listed at 5'4" but that I know had fudged heights (Davis was probably closer to 5'1" and Joan was closer to 5'2", I believe). These were stars that were huge in the 1930's and 1940's, primarily. In the 1950's, we see a lot of height inflation for particular stars. Elizabeth Taylor, I am convinced, was closer to 5'2" rather than her official height of 5'4". Natalie Wood (listed anywhere from 5'0"-5'4") was acutally about 5'2" (with the exception of her possible "growth spurt" after children). It seems that the heights became more and more inflated as time went on, but that may only be because Hollywood's "tricks" became more well known as time went on. So, height is shifty and has probably always been inflated by Hollywood. Although, I think in Hollywood's earlier years (up to the "talkies" period, anyhow) the heights were, perhaps, less likely to be inflated than they were later on. But, still, I am not sure. There are still some stars, like Marilyn, who I am convinced (so far, anyhow) that were their stated heights. I tend to concentrate only on certain stars, so I am not completely certain of "the whole". Frank2 would probably have a good answer for you as he was part of the Hollywood system and knew many of the older stars.
I still don't understand why women (stars or not) feel the need to inflate their heights. :-)
Haylie said on 9/Apr/06
I agree with Frank2 that Ave Gardener was closer to 5'5 or 5'4 because she never looks as tall as the commonly listed 5'6. I was just wondering if height was a big deal for a woman in the 50's and would actresses have added inches on to their official heights like they do now?
Viv said on 9/Apr/06
Oh, the Marilyn/DiMaggio photo you put up is nice, Frank2. It's hard for me to guage this one, though, because of DiMaggio's apparent "levitation." He's probably just "stepping up" with his right foot, which makes it hard to guage as Marilyn is standing, not walking. The angle is a bit strange, too. So, if I guessed on this one, it would only be a guess. Without her heels, I see Marilyn leaning appx. at the 5'5" mark...but, that's ONLY a guess. This photo is a lot like the one I posted of Marilyn and Miller walking in the grass - confusing and probably too difficult to guage by, but fun to try to pick apart and see what we find.
Good find, Frank2! I want this one in an 8x10.
Frank2 said on 8/Apr/06
For those arguing Marilyn Monroe's height using the excuse that being heavy makes one look shorter, I'd like to remind everyone that Liz Talor had a weight problem and most people thought she looked taller than she really was. And Orson Welles had a serious weight problem and his height was so inflated that when I finally met him I was surprised he was my height or 5'11". In fairness to Welles I think he had shrunk a bit by 1977. I'd say he was a solid 6'1" when he was young. But some sites list him at nearly 6'4" which is not the case.
TJ said on 8/Apr/06
Viv, with the pic you posted, you illustrate the problem I have been talking about. Where one person is closer to the camera or there are differences in posture, pics are totally misleading. In one, someone can look the same height as the other person, and in another several inches shorter.
Haylie said on 7/Apr/06
This is in reply to a few posts back but I have to say I am the same as you Viv I really think there is somethong very special about Marilyn you never get bored looking at her! As for her height I'm gonna stick with what I know and say she is 5'5.5 not because it's official but because IMO (just my opinion) she looks this and I really believe that her figure made her seem shorter. I have two friends exactly the same height and the thinner girl looks about an inch or two taller- it's weird!
Frank2 said on 7/Apr/06
TJ, I've read an interview with Curtis regarding Some Like it Hot where he claimed he was 5'11" and that Jack Lemmon was also 5'11". When I find it I'll post it.
Frank2 said on 7/Apr/06
Marilyn was about 5'4". I just ran Some Like It Hot and in the scenes on the sand when both she and Jack Lemmon are barefoot, Lemmon is at the very least about four to five inches taller. Believe me, Jack was not tall. I met both Lemmon and Curtis and I was taller than both of them, especially Jack and I'm not even 6'. Marilyn being pregnant on the set didn't excuse her weight problem going back to when she was under contract to Fox. I knew one fellow who worked for publicity at Fox and his job was to keep her out of trouble. He even acted as an escort. Marilyn was not that bright and became a very troubled individual in her later years. She ate tons of junk food and drank far too much. Then she combined barbiturates with booze and the rest is history. And I'm not one to buy into the Monroe/Kennedy conspiracy. She took her own life. And TJ, I'm not touchy, just tired of arguing.
Viv said on 7/Apr/06
Actually, Frank2: I found both your pictues of Cary Grant with Marilyn (both barefoot by a pool) and Tony Curtis (in slippers) with Marilyn very intriguing and they both lead me to believe Marilyn to be 5'5" or a tad more. It's going on pictures where we cannot see shoes, posture, the ground, etc. that are confusing as is just taking someone's personal statement. A lot goes into determining a rough height estimate and it's rather a personal thing. Nothing to get angry about or argue about. I really enjoy your comments on this site. I just don't always agree with you. But, that's life and it's certainly nothing personal. :-)
TJ said on 6/Apr/06
Incidentally, Marilyn was pregnant on the set of Some Like It Hot. Curtis claims to be 5'9 in his autobiography. I've never heard him say otherwise, but I'm sure he did if you recall it.
TJ said on 6/Apr/06
No need to get touchy Frank. I'm not one who refuses to believe anything but the official record. My point was that pics with two people stood next to each other with a similar stance and where the ground can be seen are valuable. Pics where one person is in the background and one in the foreground, or one person is leaning and the other isn't do not tell us much. You posted the Bacall and Mitchell pic and commented on the large height difference, as if they were stood next to each other. And of course you could change my mind. All it needs is a pic where it's remotely possible to make a height judgement. I've already said twice that I'm not totally sold on Marilyn being 5'5.5. Just haven't seen solid evidence to contradict that yet.
Frank2 said on 6/Apr/06
My pictures will always be inconclusive to people who refuse to accept anything save the official record. I could show you shots of Marilyn with anyone and it wouldn't change you mind. Believe what you want. I'm tired of arguing.
Viv said on 6/Apr/06
TJ - even though I'm a woman, I adore looking at Marilyn, too. She had a luminous quality about her that draws people in. I agree, many of these pictures are inconclusive as you say. The ones where we can actually see the feet, ground, posture, etc. and measure her against someone of relatively known height seem to lean Marilyn towards 5'6", while some lead her towards 5'4". It's just impossible to tell with most photos. I guess we'll probably never really know her true height. But, I do think, from what I've seen to be conclusive, that Marilyn was about 5'5", perhaps a bit more. No matter, she was a lovely and talented lady.
TJ said on 5/Apr/06
Frank2. Your pics are inconclusive. In the first Gable pic, you cant see the feet of either. In the second Marilyn is in mid-air on his back. In the first pic with Jack Lemmon and Tony Curtis, she does look her claimed height. In the second pic with Curtis, she's further back and not stood up straight. In the pic with Lauren Becall and Cameron Mitchell, both are in the forground and Marilyn is in the background, so the height difference is very exaggerated. I'm not totally convinced Marilyn was 5'5.5, just confused by her autopsy height if she wasn't. That said, those pics prove nothing either way. Nice to see them though. I don't need an excuse to look at Marilyn :-)
Frank2 said on 5/Apr/06
The reason why Jack looks taller in that shot is he's wearing higher heels than Curtis. I've seen and met both men and Curtis was the taller of the two by about an inch. Neither man was that tall to begin with. just look how short Tony is next to Cary Grant in Operation Petticoat. I crack up when I read Curtis claiming to be 6' and Lemmon 5'11". The whole showbiz line of crap just cracks me up. The last time I saw Jack and spoke with him was at The Grill in Beverly Hills. He was as usual at the bar. That day I saw Bob Wagner as well as director John Landis who I had a nice chat with about the upcoming special edition DVD of Animal House. That was about a year before Lemmon died. I could tell he was quite ill since he looked awful and had shrunk down to about 5'6".

Trust me. Marilyn was no taller than 5'4". Had she been just under 5'6" it would have showed on screen. Also, Marilyn had a weight problem. During the filming of Some Like It Hot she ballooned up to nearly 150 lbs. I know since Billy Wilder mentioned it. She fought her weight all her life. Compare her to Doris day who was 5'6" and thin. Day always looked taller and Day usually wore lower heels. Another actress who was relatively tall was Gloria Graham. She was at least 5'6" and looked it. as far as Natalie Wood looking "tall, that one I never heard. She was really tiny. Now, Roz Russell was tall at about 5'7" and looked it.
Viv said on 5/Apr/06
Photos without seeing the feet, etc. are just too hard to determine. I've seen a lot of photos of Cable and Monroe together from the Misfits (without seeing their feet) and most show Marilyn closer to 5'6" - so, it's just too hard to tell and it's all left to perception without seeing the actors' feet. Too, we can't compare one actress looking taller on screen than another actress of the same purported height not looking as tall on the screen unless the two actresses are actually standing together and we can see their feet. Look at how many people thought Natalie Wood was "tall" in Gypsy. It was because of camera angles, costuming, ect. that made her look taller. Hollywood is great with all the tricks. Some people just taller than other people of the same height for many different reasons. Doris Day does look tall in movies, but she was a lot skinnier, less curvy had a different way of carrying herself, etc. than Marilyn, too. I'm 5'1" (and 98 lbs.) and alot of people think I look 5'3" or 5'4" (probably because of my posture and being very thin). Other people think I'm shorter. It's all in perception and if we're going to make a good guess as to an actor's height, there need to be certain factors involved to do it.
Frank2 said on 5/Apr/06
Vivian Lee was tiny. I doubt she was taller than 5'2". Over the years I met several big name female stars from the thirties and forties including Gloria Swanson, Irene Dunne and Laraine Day and all of them were quite small. Marilyn was no way close to 5'6". Doris Day was 5'6" which is half an inch taller than Marilyn's official height and just look how tall she appeared in her films. And remember that Marilyn usually wore the highest heels possible. I have shots taken on the set of How to Marry a Millionaire and during the fashion show sequence she's wearing not only high heels, but platforms! Time to wake up and realize that she was not 5'5-1/2". No way. Did you check out all the photos I included? Look how short she is next to actors who are not even 6' tall. Come on! Enough!
Viv said on 5/Apr/06
Hmm...Vivien Leigh was closer to 5'3". Vivien was Natalie Wood's idol and Natalie once wore a gown of Vivien's (I believe from Streetcar Named Desire) because it "fit her perfectly." Natalie was 5'2". Vivien is listed most places as 5'3" and that seems about correct if she and Natalie were the same size. Still, you're right Walter that Marilyn is noticeably taller than Vivien in the photos of them together.
S said on 5/Apr/06
Well anyway I believe Marilyn Monroe was 5'5 1/2", only because that is the only height going around and I don't think she would lie about her passport and if she was lying about her height their would be other hieghts going around because people who had access to her medical records would see the height measurments and stuff. By the way, Frank2 the people who you are mentioning having photos taken with her being certain heights, I think those people would have been taller 50 years ago. I am not having a go at you, I'm just expressingmy opinion.
walter said on 5/Apr/06
I am sure Marilyn height was between 5 5 1/2 and 6.It is very noticeable Marilyn is taller than Betty Grable 5 4 in "How to marry a millionaire".Also there is a photo of Marilyn with Gina Lollobrigida ( 5 5) visiting Marilyn in the shooting of "The seven year itch" and Marilyn is enough much taller than Gina.
Marilyn body was opulent that's way she seemed sometimes a bit shorter than 5 5 1/2 but her real height was 5 5 1/2.
There is another photo with Marilyn and Vivien Leigh ( 5 4) and Marilyn looks truly quite taller than Vivien Leigh
Anonymous said on 3/Apr/06
To Frank2: Hmmm, I figured around 5'6. Thanks for respononding.
Frank2 said on 3/Apr/06
Ellen's about 5'6" barefoot. I hit the wrong key thus 5'7". I type too fast for my own good and hardly ever bother using a damned spell checker. Thinking back to when I met her at the Emmy's, she wore extremely flat shoes. Sort of like men's black patent shoes. In fact she was dressed in a man's tuxedo! Talk about being butch! That was before she officially came out. But everyone in the biz knew. I mean it was no secret. And I never found her to be that funny. Let me put it this way; she's no Lucille Ball! But then, who is these days?
ice said on 2/Apr/06
Hey, Frank2 after I read your comment on the ellen degeneres page, I came over here to see what was going on on Marilyn's page. I really don't know what to think about here, but what about ellen. You said 5'7 over there, and then said 5'6 here. Which one is it? I was thinking 5'6-5'6.5.
Frank2 said on 2/Apr/06
You mean from looking at the various photos I've posted and from watching all of his films you can't discern that he's not over 6'? If that's the case then no arguing from me save digging up the man and measuring him in front of your eyes will ever dissuade you from accepting anything save what's officially written down. That's why politicians are so damned successful at hoodwinking people! And dammit! Egan was 6'! I stood right next to him along with my mom and my former stepfather at the Riviera Country Club. Had he been six two I had have to look up at him and that simply wasn't the case. I'd stake my life on that fact! And Jack Benny was 5'7 simply because that was his height. When I met him back circa 1966 I was at least four inches taller. I was with a friend at that party who's a little over six feet and when he was standing next to me and speaking with Benny he towered over him. Benny barely came up to his eye level. In fact my friend who I haven't seen in years took photos that day. I'm going to try to find him and see if he still has them. Also at that party were Kirk Douglas (5'8"), Danny Kaye (5'11") who I spoke with along with talking to his wife Sylvia, and a host of other famous celebs. The only thing that's amazing to me is that people like you still wish to believe the hype and dismiss anything I say as bunk. Why I even bother is beyond me.
Frank2 said on 2/Apr/06
Tiger, Cary Grant could be documented at 7'8"! I don't care. He was 6'. I met these people. Jack Benny was 5'7". They made his bronze statue at the TV Academy 5'7". Richard Egan was an inch taller than me. I stood and talked to the man for at least fifteen minutes! Had he been 6'2" I would have remembered. I love all your excuses. You come up with an excuse for any photo I place on this site. Ever thought about going into politics?

And to S, being a half an inch under 5'6" was tall back then. Doris Day was 5'6" and she looked tall! I met Doris and believe me she was taller than Marilyn.

As for Audrey wearing low heels, do you folks actually watch these films? Audrey always wore low heels. Sometimes such in Sabrina she wore flats. Come on! Wake up!
Viv said on 2/Apr/06
My goodness, that photo with Cary Grant really does lean Marilyn closer to 5'6". I initially ignored it without knowing Cary Grant's height. But, even leaving Cary Grant at 6', as Frank2 states for him, this photo shows an easily 5'5 1/2" Monroe. If they were both standing straight and Cary's head weren't tilted downwards, Marilyn would probably be just under Cary's eyes...which would be about 5"-6" shorter than him. Good photo that shows their posture, feet, proximity and the ground clearly.
S said on 1/Apr/06
Well I found a picture of her (real) passport on a website showing Joe DiMaggios things up for auction and her passport says she is 5'5 1/2" here it is: Click Here
Anyway of course she never looked tall. She was 5'5 1/2", that is not tall, it's about average.

[Editor Rob: nice find, she herself was saying 5ft 5.5...whether this was true...]
Frank2 said on 1/Apr/06
The only Cuban heels I ever knew treated their women poorly.
Frank2 said on 1/Apr/06
Why is it that whatever I put down is questionable and whatever you state is fact? How many of these people have you actually met? And in the Sinatra photo she looks to be four inches shorter to me. What's more I have a book on Old Blue Eyes that has a photo of Marilyn with Frank and she comes up to his eyes. She's wearing flats. But I suppose you'll come back telling me that Frank was 5'11". In the photo of her dancing with Kelly she's wearing heels. She's in a damned gown! Go to the website I listed and go through all the photos of Marilyn with famous people. Use some common sense for a change. You're claiming Marilyn was half an inch shorter than Ellen DeGeneres. Just look at Ellen. She wears flats and she looks tall! Imagine her in four inch heels! Imagine how tall she'd be. And Ellen is 5'6". I've seen her, stood next to her at the Emmys. I could look over her head so she's not 5'8" as listed. Once again another bogus listing. Marilyn NEVER looked tall. NEVER!! That is unless she was next to a shrimp. Look at her with 5'7" David Wayne. She's actually a little shorter in that film she wore heels.

This is becoming very tiring as well as futile. Look, you're right, I'm wrong. I'd made everything up. OK? Feel better now? Geeeeeezzzzzzz!!!
Viv said on 1/Apr/06
Haylie, you are absolutely correct. The best we can do without actually seeing Marilyn measured, is weigh the best evidence we've got. Really, a star's height doesn't matter. But, it does make for interesting debate and gives an interesting insight into one way Hollywood works. :-)
Haylie said on 1/Apr/06
Everybodys peception of height is different- a woman who is 5'5" could look 5'4" or 5'6" to different people. I think to resolve this argument we would need to see Marilyn next to a height chart feet firmly on the floor!
Viv said on 1/Apr/06
Hi S. Great question. It's confusing for me, too. But, I have my height listings for when I am in my various heels (I'm obsessed with the amount of height I get from my various heels as I’m 5'1") and I'll write down my measured height results in the various heels for you to give you some idea of the varying heights one gets from various types of heels. Spike heels, standard heels, block heels, Cuban heels, platforms, etc. all give slightly varying heights because of the nature of the heel itself. I don't own any platform heels, so I don't know what they give me, but I've heard they give a woman more height for the heel than other heels of the same height (which makes sense because the entire foot is raised, not just the heel). Also, I don't own any 1" or 5" heels, but one can gauge appx. how much they might get in added height from the other various heel heights/styles from a 2" or 4" heel. Anyhow, here's what I get from my various heels:
4" standard heels/4" spike heels: yields 2 3/4" extra in height.
3" block heels: yields 2 1/2" extra in height.
3" wedge heels: yields 2 3/4" extra in height.
Vintage 3" block heels: yields 2" extra in height.
3" standard heel: yields 2" extra in height
2 1/2" tapered heels: yields 2" extra in height.
2" Cuban heels: yields 1 3/4" extra in height.
2" standard heels: yields 1 1/2" extra in height.
Chinese slippers: yields appx. 1/2" extra in height.
As you can see, different heel styles give more height than others (Cuban heels and wedge heels give more than standard heels of the same height). Also, the higher the heel, the less height that is usually gained from them (the exception is platforms) compared with other, shorter heels. But, none give the height of the heel (the exception, again, may be platforms). Every woman is different, though, so different woman will get slightly different heights from these various heels. But, it's typically about the same for most women. Also, wedding shoe heels are measured differently than regular heels. A wedding shoe heel is commonly measured from the inside of the heel and not the outside of the heel as other heels are typically measured. Too, some heels are hidden: I have a pair of what appear outwardly to be slippers (not listed here because I cannot gauge the exact height of the heel), but they give me almost an extra inch in height because the heel is "hidden." Really tricks the doctors who have measured me. ;-)
As far as being 2-3" taller (in heels) than someone who is usually only 1-2" taller than you could depend on several factors including: posture and both of your heel sizes/styles, etc. I've noticed the same thing with my mother and me. She is 5'4" and I'm 5'1". And, it all depends on the size of our respective heels and our posture, etc. Usually, I look about 3" shorter than her. But, sometimes I'm nearly her height even when not wearing tall heels. But, she sometimes wears "hidden" heels, as well, so, everyone gets a bit mixed up when comparing us. The only true way to accurately measure how much you get from various heels is to be measured while wearing them - not against other people, I've found.
Hope this helps, S. :)
That's why it's so important to see the feet of stars when comparing them to others as well as being able to see other factors such as posture, heel size/type, the proximity to others, the ground, etc. Stars and models are very much like me (measuring each particular heel; cutting one heel shorter, as Marilyn Monroe did, to enchance a "wiggle"; picking the heel that gives the most height or the least height to go along with their acting/modeling; etc.). Because all of those things can make a huge difference in trying to determine an accurate height for a star like Marilyn.
Frank2 said on 1/Apr/06
"Frank2 is just giving his OPINION! He is basing his OPINION on recollections that may or may not be accurate."

And Tiger is giving his opinions based on reading official listings and not particularly observing these people accurately when they appear in movies and on TV. They're not based on being up close and personal as they are in my case.

Tiger, try taking off your rose colored glasses. Try comprehending that I've seen many of these folks in the flesh and I'd bet my life on the fact that in most cases they're not as tall as their official heights list them as being.
Frank2 said on 1/Apr/06
Look at all the photos. Marilyn is standing next to people who aren't that tall and she's obviously a lot shorter. Come on. Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
S said on 1/Apr/06
Viv, I'm not really sure about the heel thing. I measured myself in four inch heels and I was only 2.5 inches taller (I was quite surprised because I didn't believe you) but then what would happen if you wore 1inch heels? and flats make you taller aswell. Also, when I wear four inch heels I am about 2-3 inches taller than someone who is usually about 1-2 inches taller than me! I don't know how to explain it, what do you think?
Viv said on 1/Apr/06
I agree with Tiger on this. Unless a photo shows the shoes, ground, heel size posture, etc. we cannot get a good perspective from it. We also need the real height of the person standing next to Marilyn to give an accurate height for her. I'm seeing a lot of guessing without a lot of proof on many of the photos from Opera I looked at the page (great page, by the way - wonderful and unique photos of Monroe) and, I saw quite a few photos that lead me to believe Marilyn to be 5'5" or a bit over (although, there were precious few, that I saw, that showed the factors I've listed above). Some make her look shorter. It's all in perspective. But, without considering the above factors, it's impossible to really tell without guessing. The photos, movies, stills, etc. that I've seen of Marilyn that show the above factors lead me to believe she is at least 5'5". Sorry, but unless I can really see all the factors for myself, I'm going to go on what I've found to be good evidence. And, that all leads me to believe Marilyn was just over 5'5".
Too, I'm just a hair shy of 5'1" - I only get 2 3/4" from regular 4" heels (without a platform - platforms can give a woman more height, I've heard). I've heard the same from many people. I can't even make it to 5'4" with any of my 4" heels.
Good debate, though. I'm enjoying myself immensely. :-)
S said on 31/Mar/06
Sorry to tell you Frank2 but Arthur Miller was much taller than 6ft1, Joe DiMaggio was 6ft1 and Miller looked much taller next to Monroe than DiMaggio did. Miller may have been 6ft1 in his old age.
Frank2 said on 31/Mar/06
Please explain why Marilyn was no taller than 5'6" Donald O'Conner? And she was wearing heels. And pleeeeezzze don't try to make me believe O'Conner was 5'9" 'cause it doesn't wash. By the way, all the links seem to be working so go and check out all the various photos, especially the ones with actors who are about 5'10" like Widmark. And please notice she's much shorter than Brando. And I guarantee you, she was wearing high heels in all those photos.
Frank2 said on 31/Mar/06
I just checked and all the links and they worked for me. Look at how short she is next to Monty Clift. There's no way she was any taller than 5'4". Monty was close to 5'10" when that photo was taken. Marilyn always wore high heels and usually the highest around. To give you a comparison, Doris Day was 5'6" and just look how much taller she appeared in all of her films. And Doris tended to wear flatter shoes, usually two inch heels. I met Doris a number of times. I saw her in flats and she was 5'6". No question in my mind about it. That was tall back then. Try applying some logic to the argument.
Frank2 said on 31/Mar/06
Sorry about all the links not working. Try going to Click Here and then check out all the Monroe photos. I belive they're around forty seperate galleries, but some pictures are duplicated. It's clear in all of them when she's standing next to shorter actors she's not 5'5-1/2". I found this terrific site for celeb photos just from Googling in "images" after typing in "Marilyn Monroe." They have other famous actresses there as well. If you can't access the galleries directly, try typing in Monroe in the search bar. That'll get you there.

And since when do woman wearing four inch heels not gain four inches in height? If I measure my wife's four inchers from the back to where her foot rests downward to the tip of the heel it's four inches. When she wears them she's four inches taller.
Haylie said on 31/Mar/06
Wow Frank2 you are really adament about gettin Marilyn downgraded lol However I gotta agree with Viv that she was 5'5" at least
Viv said on 30/Mar/06
Frank2: almost none of your links link to a picture. The few that did either did not show the feet of Marilyn and who she was standing next to, showed Marilyn sitting or showed Marilyn standing next to people of unknown height. The picture of her with Huston is interesting but difficult to guage because they are walking, walking apart and Marilyn is slightly behind Huston.
I'd really like to see the pictures, though.
Also, women do not get 4" out of 4" heels, most likely around 2 1/2". So, Marilyn, if 5'5 1/2", would stand about 5'8" when wearing 4" heels. I've already commented on the Grable picture having seen other pictures of that same premier with Betty and Marilyn standing together and Marilyn appears a good inch taller than Betty. Different angles and posture lead to various height-perceptions.
I'm not saying Marilyn wasn't 5'4", I'm saying that everything that I've seen that is clear to me shows Marilyn to be at least 5'5". If people were basing heights on emotion, we wouldn't be coming to this site and reading all the different comments and trying to find evidence to make a logical conclusion.

[Editor Rob: I don't have time to try to fix the links, many sites will not allow you direct linking to an image, so its always best to link to the html page where the image is displayed if possible...]
S said on 30/Mar/06
Everywhere you look it says she's 5'5 1/2" and I believe this. There are records from when she was a model in the late 40s that say she was 5'6" and they didn't care so much about height then (in models) as they do now.
Anonymous said on 29/Mar/06
I believe she is 5'5 1/2" because they have records from when she was a model, and the modelling agencies didn't really care about how tall a person was back then.
Viv said on 27/Mar/06
I agree with Haylie on the Grable pic. That was taken at the premier of "How to Marry a Millionaire". First, we can't see their shoes in the picture. Second, I've seen other shots from that premier and Marilyn appears to be at least an inch taller than Betty. So, pictures without seeing the footwear and complete posture can be misleading. Third, I've watched "Millionaire" dozens of times and recently began studying the height difference between Marilyn, Betty and Lauren Bacall from the film and stills. Considering posture and footwear in the movie (many clear shots), Marilyn was at least an inch taller than Betty and about 2" shorter than Bacall. I purposefully don't compare female actresses with male actors because men's heights, lifts, shoes, etc. are all hard to guage - plus, men's heights seem far more shifty and covered-up than the women's heights. I'd need good, solid proof of a male actor's height before I'd consider "measuring" him against a female actor. And, I've rarely found it. So, I try to measure the women against other women (of known height).
Haylie said on 27/Mar/06
In the pic with Queen Elizabeth Marilyn looks to be bending a little so it is not really good to judge and she also looks to have an inch on Grable who's hair is also adding height. Also three inch heels do not always make you three inches taller it depends on foot size etc... I believe what Marilyn has stated her height to be why would she lie about such a trivial thing height didn't matter to her she is the most attractive woman the world has ever known!
Frank said on 21/Mar/06
My dad was no more than 5'9-1/2" in his prime and his autopsy gave him an extra inch! Go figure! JFK's autopsy was a botched up job and he was President! Just because something is printed officially doesn't automatically make it the absolute truth. As you get older you'll come to realize this to be the case.
TJ said on 21/Mar/06
Frank, how do you explain Marilyn being measured at 65 1/2 inches at her autopsy if she was only 5'4. Did she grow an inch and a half in death?
Viv said on 20/Mar/06
Marilyn was at least 1" taller than Betty Grable who is commonly listed as 5'4," just barely 2" shorter than 5'7" Jane Russell, and about 2" shorter than 5'7"-5'8" Lauren Bacall (I think I saw where Lauren was quoted as saying she, herself, was 5'7"?). All of these heights were estimated using photos and movie scenes where one can clearly guage their heel heights and posture. Marilyn's height does appear to be slightly shifty at times and she can look as short as 5'4". However, the clearest pictures I have seen show her to be no less than 5'5" and probably closer to the 5'5 1/2" that Rob has listed here and what I have always heard as Marilyn’s height.
Frank2 said on 19/Mar/06
Malilyn was about 5'4".
Nikki said on 19/Mar/06
I have to agree with you there, I didn't know Marilyn stated this herself. She was quite tall for a movie star of the 50's era
Viv said on 18/Mar/06
You're right, Nikki. The size measurments for Marilyn did vary because she had problems with her weight fluctuating. She was at her heaviest during "Some Like It Hot" because she was pregnant (miscarried, later on). She was probably her thinnest either at the time of her death or early in her career when she was literally starving.
Marilyn stated herself that her height was 5'5 1/2". I really tend to believe this as she never struck me as the kind of person who would lie about her height - she was too focused on breaking out of the "bombshell" role and trying to find her true self.
nikki said on 18/Mar/06
Yeah I really did believe she was 5'5.5" until I saw those photos I'm really not sure now as the publicity around her was mega and the public rarely got any info that they didn't want us to hear. If her publisists say she is 5'5.5" that's what we believe also there are about 6 different sets of measurments going around for her in her prime -I don't think we will ever know the whole truth about anything in Marilyn's life!
Viv said on 17/Mar/06
Hmm, interesting Nikki. Thanks for pointing those photos out. Ladd appears to have about 2", maybe 2 1/2", on Marilyn. I've never heard of Marilyn referred to as any other height but 5'5 1/2", though. Ladd's height is rather "up in the air." He could be taller than 5'6" or wearing lifts, etc. Or, there could have been some sort of set-up with those photos to make Ladd appear taller, although, that seems quite unlikely as it looks as the photos were more candid and at some event, than publicity. But, who knows? Marilyn's 5'5 1/2" is one height I've rarely heard disputed so I would believe that, if the photos are not "tricked" in some way (Ladd wearing lifts, Marilyn out of heels, etc.), that Ladd's height is probably a bit taller than his 5'6" listing. If he were about 5'7", the photos with Marilyn would make more sense.
Nikki said on 10/Mar/06
On the Alan Ladd page there are 2 pics of monroe being several inches shorter than 5'6" Ladd and in these shots she is very dressed up and is more than likely wearing heels how can this be? either ladd is significantly taller or Monroe smaller I'm not sure!
ice said on 30/Jan/06
wow! I never would have guessed her at this height, but I guess so. I mean I've heard of short celebs looking tall, but never tasll celebs looking short. At least not the women. LOL

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