How tall was John Wayne

John Wayne's Height

6ft 3.75in (192 cm)

American actor best remembered for starring in films like The Searchers, True Grit, The Quiet Man, Stagecoach, Fort Apache, Rio Grande, Rio Bravo, The Man Who Shot Liberty Vance, The Alamo and The Green Berets.
Height: 6ft 3 and 3/4. Weight: 212 pounds - Wayne's 1943 O.S.S application form
He wore lifts; everyone talked about it - Capucine
I did a movie with Duke and was very surprised to find out he had small feet and wore lifts and a corset. Hollywood is seldom what it seems. - Rock Hudson

How tall is John Wayne
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John Wayne was so tall they put me on an apple box in the studio where they shot the close-ups. - Red River co-star Colleen Gray
Wayne liked big guys; everyone was a midget to him. Smaller guys annoyed him. - Richard Widmark
Many people don't realize it, but John Wayne was once a very short young fellow. When he first went to Hollywood and wanted to play the role of a cowboy, he was so short he had to ride a collie that was disguised as a horse. - Columnist Mike Royko
John Wayne had four-inch lifts in his shoes. He had the overheads on his boat accommodated to fit him. He had a special roof put in his station wagon. . . . The son of a bitch, they probably buried him in his goddamn lifts. - Robert Mitchum

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Tom said on 23/Jun/16
Wayne was wearing built up shoes in that terrible film "Blood Alley".
LoganNoll1996 said on 23/Jun/16
6'3.75" - 6'4". No more, no less. Was way too close to Mike Mazurki in height to have been any shorter than this.
Unsub 5'10" said on 22/Jun/16
Standing next to Chuck Connors, Arness, and Henry Fonda, I had the impression he was not over 6' 3, on the other hand he had 2.5 inches on Lee Marvin who I think was 1.84-85m, so, yeah, Wayne could've been 6'3", sure thing....6'3" was pretty much like 6'5" today.
Tom said on 21/Jun/16
He was never 6'4". He was 6'3" at his peak and wore boots with big heels. He was shorter than Rock Hudson.
miko said on 20/Jun/16
Surely if Wayne was a lift wearer, at 6'4 he'd have been looking 6'6 range at times and that never seemed to happen.

Against other 6'4 guys he just about held his own through his career, whether that was footwear orientated who knows.
James said on 17/May/16
Wayne was 6'3". He was only slightly taller than James Stewart in "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" because he was wearing cowboy boots with lifts, while Stewart had ordinary shoes.
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 15/May/16
Same range as Eastwood, near 6ft4. He'd get irritated if he had to work with a taller actor because he always prided himself on being the biggest, baddest youknowwhat around
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 13/May/16
194cm out of bed, Rob?
Editor Rob: 6ft 4.5-.75 maybe...
Gonzalo said on 11/May/16
Very, very hard to believe Wayne was under 1`90. 1`87 sounds unrealistic to me. The debate for me is between 1-90 or 193.
Sixseven said on 4/May/16
Gary Cooper 189,John Wayne 187,all books says it.
Gonzalo said on 27/Apr/16
Worden looked tall to me. At least 1`85. He was very funny in The searchers
LoganNoll1996 said on 26/Apr/16
Is it possible that we can get a page for Hank Worden, Rob? He was in a lot of John Wayne films and is interestingly described as 6'1.5" even though he looked shorter than that next to Wayne. I would say he was 5'11" - 6'0" range.
Tom said on 24/Apr/16
Lee Marvin was 6'1". It was 180,20 who said Wayne was 6'2", not me.
LoganNoll1996 said on 22/Apr/16
Lee Marvin at 6'1" would put Wayne at 6'3.5" which is still taller than what you're claiming him to be(6'2-6'3). But Lee Marvin was 6'1.5" putting Wayne at 6'4". Wayne himself wrote down 6'3.75" as his height and he certainly does look it in a lot of his films even in barefoot scenes. I still will continue to describe him as 6'4".

If Wayne was only 6'2-6'3 then everyone in Hollywood is, according to you(Tom), 1-2" shorter than what Rob has them listed at - and a lot of people agree with Rob's listings.
Tom said on 21/Apr/16
Lee Marvin was 6'1".
LoganNoll1996 said on 18/Apr/16
6'2" peak for Wayne is ridiculous. He was taller than near 6'2" actors like Ward Bond and Lee Marvin by 2-2.5 inches even when in flats. Not to mention he looked towering even when next to 6'2" guys. 6'3" peak is debatable since there's an image online where he was fractionally taller than Stewart who himself was 6'3".
Bruno said on 18/Apr/16
Wayne might have worn "half-inch lifts" so he looked taller compared to other actors in the film like James Stewart and Richard Boone,

What good would that be to a man that stood at nearly 76''.
James said on 18/Apr/16
Bacall was wearing heels.
180,20 said on 17/Apr/16
6"2-6"3 on his prime.... No More Than that...
Bruno said on 16/Apr/16
LoganNoll1996 said on 16/Apr/16
I need EVIDENCE, not a simple claim like Ron Howard being 5'7" peak when clearly he wasn't. He was noticably taller than Lauren Bacall in "The Shootist" and she's 5'7.5" so I am to believe she's only 5'5.5" then since Ron Howard was 5'7"? I will admit that Wayne was a flat 6'3" in that film but he was in his late 60s, was overweight, and developed health problems so he clearly lost some height.

6'3.75" - 6'4" at peak and down to 6'3" by his later years.
Tom said on 15/Apr/16
Ron Howard is actually 5'7".

Wayne might have worn half-inch lifts so he looked taller compared to other actors in the film like James Stewart and Richard Boone.
LoganNoll1996 said on 13/Apr/16
Ron is around 5'7 - 5'8 nowadays but was definitely 5'9 in his younger years and was completely DWARFED by a barefoot Wayne who was in his late 60s at the time. I need more than just empty claims by other celebrities and celebheights contributors to convince me that Wayne wore lifts. Cause there's evidence to prove otherwise such as his barefoot scenes in "Donovan's Reef" and "The Shootist".
Bruno said on 13/Apr/16
James said on 12/Apr/16
Ron Howard is 5'7".

We will have to downgrade every actor's peak height Rob because James says so.

What height is Henry Winkler 5' tall?
James said on 12/Apr/16
Ron Howard is 5'7".
Bruno said on 11/Apr/16
LoganNoll1996 said on 10/Apr/16
Fact is that he didn't look much shorter barefoot than he did with shoes on. Was well over 2 inches taller than a 6'1.5" Lee Marvin in "Donovan's Reef" and he was barefoot and sometimes in flats throughout the majority of the movie.

And how do we know he didn't just wear 0.25" lifts to bring his barefoot 6'3.75" height up to the full 6'4"? Everyone assumes he wears 2-4" lifts which is a load of crap.

Well said but you are never going to convince these people who believe JW wore lifts otherwise. Yet ask them to produce evidence that he did and they just talk BS. All one needs to do is look at a barefoot Wayne in 1976 The Shootist and see him tower over a 22 year old Ron Howard who is of average height at 5'9''.
LoganNoll1996 said on 10/Apr/16
Fact is that he didn't look much shorter barefoot than he did with shoes on. Was well over 2 inches taller than a 6'1.5" Lee Marvin in "Donovan's Reef" and he was barefoot and sometimes in flats throughout the majority of the movie.

And how do we know he didn't just wear 0.25" lifts to bring his barefoot 6'3.75" height up to the full 6'4"? Everyone assumes he wears 2-4" lifts which is a load of crap.
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 10/Apr/16
Lee Marvin was 6ft1-2 range peak, possibly closer to the latter (6ft1). I think John Wayne had 2in on him so this height fits.
James said on 8/Apr/16
Capucine said Wayne wore lifts in 1960, five or six years before Mitchum worked with Wayne.

Wayne wore a wig from 1948 onwards so it isn't surprising he wore lifts as well.
Gonzalo said on 8/Apr/16
Lee Marvin looked very similar in height to Gene Hackman or William Hurt, who are undoubtedly in the 186-88 area.
LoganNoll1996 said on 7/Apr/16
Just because someone says something doesn't make it true(rumors). If I'm not mistaken, Robert Mitchum was the one to start the lifts controversy. But it could've been as much as a joke poking fun at Wayne's height since he was known for being so towering next to his costars.

He was wearing flats in "The Big Trail" and was still taller than a 6'1-6'2 Ian Keith and a 6'0-6'1 Tyrone Power who both had a footwear advantage over him. And Lee Marvin was definitely not under 6'1. A flat 6'1 is as low as he would've been with his 6'1.5" claim being accurate.

Rob's listing for Wayne is accurate even though it wouldn't surprise me if he was a full 6'4". Even when in flats,socks, or bare feet the man was just massive back in his day.
James said on 7/Apr/16
Lee Marvin was just under 6'1". Wayne was 6'3".
Arch Stanton said on 5/Apr/16
Yes, you only have to watch Donovan's Reef with Wayne in boat shoes to see he was near a genuine 6'4. You could see his feet in them and definitely no lifts, The man was between 2 and 3 inches taller than than 6'1.5 Lee Marvin
Tom said on 2/Apr/16
Probably because so many people who worked with him said he wore lifts.
LoganNoll1996 said on 1/Apr/16
My bad, I never watched Donovan's Reef yet(only the beginning). Elizabeth Allen is listed on these sites as 5'9". GIven how she worked as a fashion model, it's possible that is not her actual height. She could've been as low as 5'8" - 5'8.5" for all we know. And Wayne appeared to be at least a head taller than her in that scene I posted which would put him as a 6'3ish - 6'4" guy barefoot.

Don't know why people still persist that he wore lifts.
Bruno said on 1/Apr/16
She is listed as 5'9'' on a well known movie site. Lifts me a**e Tom.
Gonzalo said on 31/Mar/16
Thats not Ursulla Andress, thats Elizabeth Allen in Donovans reef. Wayne appeared barefoot in several movies and he didnt look much shorter than with shoes on. I am thinking of The quiet man, The searchers or The shootist. In all those movies he looked very big barefoot
James said on 31/Mar/16
Isn't that from the awful film Donovan's Reef?
LoganNoll1996 said on 28/Mar/16
John Wayne barefoot with 5'5" Ursula Andress though there isn't a shot of them both standing straight but Wayne looks like he could be a little over a head taller. Click Here

Notice how he's doing his signature walk despite not wearing any form of footwear.
Tom said on 27/Mar/16
Stewart was probably wearing ordinary shoes whereas Wayne was wearing lifts.
Height ain't nothin' said on 25/Mar/16
I met The Duke in 1977 in L.A. I am 6'5.75" . Remember he was 70 and I 21. he was a legit 6'4". I also met Jimmy Stewart and I can say Mr. Stewart was shorter then The Duke. In my opinion 1.5"
LoganNoll1996 said on 20/Mar/16
Can't tell whether or not Wayne is closer to the camera than Cooper but he is leaning a bit whereas Cooper is standing straight with his arms crossed. Have no clue who the little guy is though.

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Sam said on 20/Mar/16
Rampage, take into consideration Widmark's comment, he was actually surprisingly kind towards Rock Hudson and even at the point where he was producing and directing films he was seemingly ok with appearing with other guys 6'3" or over.
Tom said on 17/Mar/16
That's probably why he wore lifts.
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 16/Mar/16
I reckon Wayne resented guys who were taller than him because he was so used to being the biggest guy around and didn't like to be out-sized physically. Clint Walker or Rock Hudson would piss him off. Real masculine thing...
James B said on 15/Mar/16
I thought he looked 6'4.5 in some of his westerns.
AlexMahone said on 11/Mar/16
Wayne was about 193cm.
Tom said on 7/Mar/16
In Munn's book - where he quotes many people, most of whom were dead - he quoted Wayne as asking, "Do I seem short to you?". He didn't say that Wayne said how tall he was.
Tom said on 7/Mar/16
Wayne was 6'3".
LoganNoll1996 said on 6/Mar/16
Just curious, Tom, how tall do you think Wayne was?
PLB said on 6/Mar/16
The idea that he wore 4 inch lifts had always seemed improbable to me. I was always an honest 6'4" barefoot but to correct a problem with my foot I once wore some three inch lifts. Jesus. What pain. My back was killing me and I stumbled around like I was drunk. I don't know how the ladies manage. OTOH I liked being taller.

But maybe Wayne did wear big lifts. Herbert Marshall lost a leg and appeared in many movies thereafter looking completely normal. But if he did wear such big lifts there would have had to have been a big conspiracy involving everyone on the set. I think a normal man can get away with funny shoes that add as much as two inches. But I find four inches unlikely. That's almost a stilt.

BTW I watched 'The Alamo' for the first time the other night. Wayne was no director.
Rory said on 5/Mar/16
Rob, with all the conspiracies about Wayne and lifts what do you think the chances are that he was more like 6'2 and wore lifts to look about 6'4, or do you rule them out completely and think he was genuinely around 6'4 ?
Editor Rob: there's no smoke without fire.

In Wayne's case though, maybe there is a kind of myth and an element of Chinese Whispers to it. A joke that grew legs...
Tom said on 2/Mar/16
Was anything Munn wrote true?
LoganNoll1996 said on 23/Feb/16
Rob, may I suggest reading "John Wayne: The Man Behind the Myth" by Michael Munn? There's an interview in there in which Wayne talks about the lifts rumors.
LoganNoll1996 said on 23/Feb/16
Tyrone Power could've lost height but I see him as still being a 6 footer by then. So 6'0" - 6'0.5" which would put him at 6'1" - 6'1.5" when accounting for footwear advantage and Wayne is still taller.

There's also a pic of Wayne with Ward Bond from that film in which Wayne is visibly taller despite having a noticeable footwear disadvantage and Bond himself was a 6'1" - 6'2" guy.
movieguy said on 23/Feb/16
I don't think he was a full 6'4'' but doubt if he was much less than this. Yeah I can believe he wore lifts as he was same height as 6'5'' Jim Hutton in films they made despite being considerably older. Looked very different as a young man from the more well known middle aged superstar. Much lighter in build and more typically a Hollywood good looking leading man. I actually think he was a brilliant actor although to the younger generation his films probably don't have widespread appeal which I suppose is understandable.
Ice said on 21/Feb/16
Im 6'2.5'' in the morning and waer shoe lifts , bc I just feel too short around guys my age
Patricia 02/20/16 said on 20/Feb/16
So many comments about John Wayne 's height. Also, someone said he had small feet. Between small feet & lifts,
could those two things together, have been the reason, John Wayne's walk was , lets say, a little different.
Tom said on 15/Feb/16
Many celebrities who were 6'1" said they were 6'2".

Tyrone Power was about sixty in "The Big Trail" so he probably wasn't at his peak height.
LoganNoll1996 said on 8/Feb/16

Just about all the sites on here list Keith as 6'2".
Tom said on 5/Feb/16
Ian Keith was 6'1".
LoganNoll1996 said on 31/Jan/16
Go watch "The Big Trail", John Wayne's first film as a lead role. Wayne obviously is not wearing lifts in that film if you look at his footwear and he was a little taller than Ian Keith who was regularly described as 6'2". He was also taller than Tyrone Power, Sr. who was wearing boots - and Tyrone Power, Sr. is described on most sites as being 6'1". The lowest I would argue for a young John Wayne is 6'3.5" but no lower.
Tom said on 16/Jan/16
Also don't forget Wayne had lung cancer when "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" was filmed, and therefore may not have appeared at his peak height without help.
Tom said on 16/Jan/16
Stewart did not wear lifts, but Lee Marvin was only six foot.

Since Wayne wore a wig in every film from 1948 onwards, why do you think he wouldn't have worn lifts as well? He wouldn't allow Jack Elam to be cast in "The Train Robbers" because Elam stole "Rio Lobo" from him, and he refused to work with Robert Mitchum after the younger actor stole "El Dorado" from him.
marcus said on 14/Jan/16
Disregard last. I was wrong Van Cleef was in the movie as well.
marcus said on 14/Jan/16
It was Lee Marvin, not Lee Van Cleef.
Bruno said on 14/Jan/16
Tom said on 13/Jan/16
Wayne was probably wearing lifts in "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance". He was playing a character 30 years younger than his real age. They had to cut the film because Wayne couldn't disarm Van Cleef's lightning fast draw.

And was Stewart and Marvin wearing lifts as well, because Wayne and Stewart looked pretty close in height and Marvin about 1.5-2'' lower. Please refrain from talking rot.
184.3cm (Night) said on 14/Jan/16
Wayne at 188cm? Then you need to downgrade alot of other big names im afraid. I do think he looked 6'3 at times in some of his older movies when he had flat footwear but he never looked as short as 6'2.
Tom said on 13/Jan/16
Wayne was probably wearing lifts in "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance". He was playing a character 30 years younger than his real age. They had to cut the film because Wayne couldn't disarm Van Cleef's lightning fast draw.
Gonzalo said on 13/Jan/16
LoganNoll1996 said on 4/Jan/16

I've noticed people on here claiming him to have been 6'2" - even using a Mexican visa as "proof". In my opinion he was taller than 6'2" guys like Lee Van Cleef in his prime. He just doesn't look that short

In Liberty Balance Wayne had two inches on Lee Van Cleef. He was taller and much bigger tan him
marcus said on 10/Jan/16
High School physical said 6' 4''
Tom said on 10/Jan/16
Mitchum said Wayne wasn't 6'4".
Arch Stanton said on 9/Jan/16
Basically we can't prove he wore lifts or didn't wear them. But I think too many people talked about it to dismiss entirely. The only 6 ft and wore 4 inch lifts is certainly utter nonsense though. But until we actually have concrete proof, like an old studio photo of his boots on set with inserts poking out the top or whatever then it's pure speculation. All I know is that in a lot of his films his boots did look really bulky and difficult to walk in, and at times he could pull off looking taller than this listing. But you could say the same thing about any actor walking in those big style of boots.Just look at Burt Reynolds, at times he could look near 6 ft 1 in them!
Arch Stanton said on 9/Jan/16
There's certainly no point in debating that he was just 6 ft. In The Shootist I think it was we see him barefoot and clearly he looked a decent 6'3" er even at that age. He was genuinely a big man, and had the frame of a 6'4 man, regardless of footwear. You can't dismiss all the claims as false rumours though, even Mitchum admitted Wayne was 6 ft 4 and wore lifts. In a lot of his films his footwear does look really bulky and difficult to walk around in. There's no proof I've seen of him wearing lifts, but it isn't impossible that he had a booster in his boots in some films to pull off looking even more imposing. That was part of the package he was selling to the public, and his "man mountain" larger than life American image was crucial to his career. I would doubt he ever wore "4 inch lifts" though. As Sam said previously in some films he could really look more massive than others, in certain scenes in fact he could look like a man closer to 6 ft 6. It isn't impossible that he had something in in those films to pull off looking even bigger. But I think it's very clear from watching him in so many films he was genuinely a very tall man even without them.
Tom said on 8/Jan/16
George Kennedy said Wayne and Dean Martin both wore lifts in "Rio Bravo" and "The Sons of Katie Elder".
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 5/Jan/16
There are rumours that the man was barely over 6ft and wore massive lifts.

Rob, is there any point debating that or is it a complete myth?
Editor Rob: as many know, the more often a lie is repeated, the greater the chance it becomes accepted as the truth.

I think if you watch his movies and see the types of boots men wore, were his much different or could somehow conceal 3 inches worth of lifts?
LoganNoll1996 said on 4/Jan/16
Hey, Rob, what's the lowest listing you would give Wayne and do you believe he wore lifts. I found this on IMDB and thought I'd share it:

"Increasingly by the early 1960s Wayne used to wear three or four-inch lifts in his shoes, a practice that mystified friends and co-stars like Bobby Darin', Capucine' and Robert Mitchum' because he stood 6'4". It was possibly due to his increasing weight, health problems, and age that he wasn't able to loom as tall without lifts."

I've noticed people on here claiming him to have been 6'2" - even using a Mexican visa as "proof". In my opinion he was taller than 6'2" guys like Lee Van Cleef in his prime. He just doesn't look that short.
Editor Rob: My shoe lifts page Here mentioned Darin/Mitchum quotes about Wayne and was published 7th October 2004.

Imdb archived page from December 2004 Archive shows no mention about lifts, but then Feb 2005 Archive shows someone added the trivia then.

Good to know celebheights is useful for throwaway trivia ;)
Arch Stanton said on 4/Jan/16
I've seen some of his rarer mid 30s films of late and he looked close to 6'4 in all of them. Too tall to be under 6'3". The only film I saw of his where he looked 6'2.5 was The Big Trail wearing flat mocassins. In all others his body looks too big to have only been 6'2 range.
Jake: 1.84 m- 1.85 m said on 3/Jan/16
He did look huge in 'Rio Bravo'.
Unsub 5'10" said on 2/Jan/16
I never believed he was close to 6'4, I think he was more like a strong 6'2 or perhaps 6' 2.5 .
jessman said on 1/Jan/16
Pete, for me 188cm is very believable for Wayne. I just do not see him as 192cm. There seems to be general acceptance of hollywood 2 inch height inflation, but seemingly not when it comes to Wayne.
Pete said on 31/Dec/15
Came across this photo (I believe) Mexican visa dated 1948 of John Wayne. Interesting - his height here is listed as 188cm. Click Here
Tom said on 6/Dec/15
In 1955 Wayne was 6'3" and Mazurki was 6'4".
Sam said on 3/Dec/15
"Close to 6'5"" for Mazurki according to a newspaper article and Rob's listing, i.e. 6'4.75", consistent with his being roughly an inch over Wayne who wrote for himself 6'3.75". I was wondering if his in character claim of "six four and a half" in The Quiet Man might have reflected a morning measurement Wayne had off-screen.
Tom said on 1/Dec/15
Even Mazurki said he wasn't 6'5".
Tom said on 30/Nov/15
I've read that Wayne was 6'3.5" at his peak, and 6'3" by his fifties.
Gonzalo said on 30/Nov/15
Mike Mazurki looked definitely 6`5. Watch The unconquered
Tom said on 26/Nov/15
Mike Mazurki was 6'4".
Tom said on 25/Nov/15
Mike Mazurki wasn't really 6'5".
Jock said on 24/Nov/15
Watch the film Blood Alley, Wayne in flat boat shoes stood face ro face with 6ft5 Mike M, there was about an inch if that between themm
Wayne never whore lifts, yes cowboy boots with heels but so did all the other actors that appeared in the films with him,
Sam said on 20/Nov/15
IMO only a small portion of lift-wearers in earlier Hollywood were caught in photos in them, some actors are more obviously wearing lifts in some roles than Wayne generally was.
Tom said on 19/Nov/15
Good lifts should be invisible from the outside.
Bruno said on 18/Nov/15
But why didn't he wear lifts in The Undefeated, when acting with Rock, he looked about an inch lower or so than Rock and if he was worried about his height he defo would have worn them then. If he had 2'' lifts in his boots with Rock then he should appear taller which is not the case.

Check out 1970 Swing out sweet land at about 6 minutes forward you can clearly see his shoes and no lifts and see him stand close to Dan Blocker they are pretty close in height. Why didn't he wear lifts then , why didn't he wear them in Brannigan????
Gonzalo said on 18/Nov/15
Ferrer still looked tall in the 80`s, when he appeared in Falcon Crest. Close to 1`90.

The lifts rumour about Wayne is widely spread. It is true that we have not seen any real evidences so far (as we have with other people). But it is also true that there are films of Wayne in which he looks tall (for instance, In harms way or The longest day) and others in which he looks huge (The shootist, Rio Lobo). Probably Wayne started wearing lifts in the 60`s when he began to lose height and he wanted to be as tall as he was in his prime. I think we will never know.

Misteries of height. Thats why this site exists
Bruno said on 17/Nov/15
Plenty of actors pictured wearing lifts, Bogie, Martin, Glenn Ford, if Wayne wore lifts there defo would be pictures of it either on or off set.
Pete said on 17/Nov/15
By 1975 both Ferrer and Wayne had probably each lost about an inch in height (older). I believe most people lose 1/4" of height per decade after turning 40. So, Ferrer was probably closer to 6'2", and Wayne 6'2.5" or 6'3". Makes sense.
Bruno said on 16/Nov/15
Get them pics Rob, haven't seen any!!!
Editor Rob: there are definitely a few actors who talked about it but I doubt anybody took photos of them...

It may have been one of those rumours that others fuelled with fire.
Bruno said on 15/Nov/15
It's strange with all the lifts talk, there is no picture of him wearing any. In 1975 Brannigan wearing regular shoes he appears nearly 1'' taller than 6'3'' Mel Ferrer. In 1976 The Shootist Wayne looks huge compared to Ron Howard. Wayne barefoot and Ron with boots. I have said it a lot Wayne lost very little height with age.
Editor Rob: Here's another quote from actor Russell McCubbin: "[Wayne] wore lifts in his shoes and he wore a hairpiece. he was a good fella...I got along with him fine."
Sam said on 13/Nov/15
I go back and forth on whether Wayne was wearing lifts in movies, I feel like he did as well...I feel like some films like The Big Trail or Angel and the Badman he's clearly not wearing any and there's too many films where he looks exactly like a man with his listing, wearing average cowboy boots, should look with his often well known co-stars. But then there's some films like El Dorado where he seems more enormously tall than he should at 6'3.75" & it keeps me guessing.
Larry said on 9/Nov/15
Carter and Clinton never said Wayne was their favourite actor.
Mike Horn said on 7/Nov/15
I love it when these idiots say John Wayne was not at least 6 3 or better when anyone who met him said he was huge with a personality to match. People want to tear down a man if he has strong beliefs and is still adored by most people. Some people are just plain cynical asses. I won't even get into politics but almost every president including Carter and Clinton said he was their favorite actor and had great respect for him. He is getting even more popular in recent years to the dismay of aforementioned idiots. By the way could a short man have had huge paws like he did? Or maybe those were props
Gonzalo said on 4/Nov/15
Editor Rob, seems that you have recovered old comments. Thank you!! Good to see my old Pals Patrick an Mike C posting. Its been a while since I first posted in this site. Im getting old. And celebheights too!!
[Editor Rob: even Big G returned from the dead...

in web terms, 11 years is quite old for a site...but hopefully it will continue.]
Larry said on 31/Oct/15
It depends if Wayne was wearing built up shoes.
LoganNoll1996 said on 29/Oct/15
If Rock Hudson did have 4 cm on Wayne then wouldn't that have made Wayne 6'3.5 in his later films? So that would mean he only lost a quarter of an inch at that point.
Gonzalo said on 27/Oct/15
John Wayne and Gary Cooper

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Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 25/Oct/15
Looked 189-190cm in his last movie.
Larry said on 15/Oct/15
I think that was just a line in the script.
Sam said on 14/Oct/15
I wonder if ever claimed 6'4.5" off screen as his character did in The Quiet Man.
Larry said on 24/Sep/15
Dean Martin may have been less than 5'9", he always wore huge lifts.

Oliver Hardy was only 5'11" by 1949 because he had severe obesity and back problems.
Steve said on 21/Sep/15
Larry, I think Dean was closer to 5'10" while Oliver Hardy was most definitely taller than 5'11".
Bruno said on 21/Sep/15
Brannigan was enjoyable, not meant to be the same as Dirty Harry, good car chase driving the Ford Capri and the pub brawl was fun. I thought he worked well with Sir Dickie.
Larry said on 19/Sep/15
Arch, Dean Martin was 5'9". Oliver Hardy may have been 5'11" by the time of "The Fighting Kentuckian" due to his obesity and health problems.

I don't think Wayne would be such a controversial figure were it not for his support for an unwinnable war in Vietnam.
Larry said on 18/Sep/15
John Wayne was closer to 6'3" by the mid-1950s.

He was too old and ill to play a policeman in "McQ" and "Brannigan", starring in those two films was a mistake.
Bruno said on 15/Sep/15
Arch Stanton said on 12/Sep/15
Brannigan was enjoyable was McQ I didn't enjoy much.

I enjoyed both, the car chase in around Seattle and the final chase on the beach was good. That car he drove was a beauty. Unfortunately it got crushed.
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The music and that big mother weapon.
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 13/Sep/15
Rob, is it possible that he was around 6ft3 flat by the time of his death?
[Editor Rob: might have been under...but nevertheless, they still misjudged his coffin and had to actually order one longer than planned...getting buried in lifts and a Stetson will certainly cause such problems ;)]
Arch Stanton said on 12/Sep/15
Brannigan was enjoyable was McQ I didn't enjoy much.
Arch Stanton said on 12/Sep/15
Also Bruno, if you watch War and Peace you could argue a stronger 6'3" for Ferrer with Henry Fonda, he could make Fonda look 6'0.5 in some scenes.
Arch Stanton said on 12/Sep/15
@ Steve, Bruno, Sam. I agree that the idea of him wearing lifts does seem ridiculous, especially as there's barefoot evidence in one of his later films that he was still close to 6'4. Rock Hudson had about 4cm on Wayne, are we to really believe he was only high 6'3" in lifts? But a number of people did claim it. Was it their idea of jest, not sure? But I agree fully with what you say about him being a big framed man and him looking at least 6'4" in many films. He made Oliver Hardy look barely 5 ft 11 and Dean Martin look barely 5 ft 9.
Steve said on 11/Sep/15
Who is Knowitall?

LamarrZG, do you really believe everything some actor or entertainer says? If so, you must be terribly naive. Or have an anti-Wayne agenda.

Check out this photo of Wayne with Gary Cooper. Click Here

If you think Wayne is wearing lifts then you must be blind.
LamarrG said on 7/Sep/15
Sorry to disappoint you Knowitall,John Wayne wore lifts in his shoes,that was verified by people who worked with him,Robert Mitchum,Bobby Darin,Rock Hudson all new he wore them,and they couldn't figure out why...but i know why!
Sixseven said on 13/Aug/15
Well said VC
cobra said on 9/Aug/15
This might not be the most accurate picture ever but when you consider who else is there with an aged Wayne it should without a doubt confirm he was in the 6-3 to 6-4 range: Click Here
Steve said on 8/Aug/15
The lifts claim makes me laugh. Wayne was a truly big man. Big boned. He looked massive in Bannigan. And no lifts. That's clear to see if you watch the movie. Silly movie, but lots of fun all the same.
Bruno said on 6/Aug/15
The lifts stuff is defo BS. The Undefeated was made later with 6'5" Rock. If he was that worried about his height he would have worn them in that movie. However he appears circa 1" lower than Rock.

I posted a link of Wayne with 6'3" Mel Ferrer in Brannigan, no lifts in his shoes watch the movie and stands slightly taller maybe 0.75".
Sam said on 4/Aug/15
I think he looks really massive in El Dorado as well. I don't know where you fall on whether Wayne wore lifts, Arch, but he looked taller than his near 6'4" in these later films.
177cmGuy said on 26/Jul/15
The lowest I would go would go for him is 6'3.50. It would have been interesting to see how he would fare against somebody like Randy orton who is estimated as legit 6'4.
Arch Stanton said on 20/Jul/15
Really looked massive in The Sons of Katie Elder, the biggest in fact I've seen him look but might be the narrow screen format I watched it on. He looked bigger than 6'4 in it and 6'5-6'6.
Jesse Stone said on 18/Jul/15
Well strange is: Lots of people claimed he was wearing lifts, but nevertheless never seemed any taller than a legit 6'4 ( Not even with cowboy-heels and lifts in his movies).
VC said on 16/Jul/15
John Wayne is 6'4" with boots and slightly over 6' without boots.
Sam said on 15/Jul/15
Yeah, I think both Arch and I have been trying to get Cooper uplisted a tad to 6'3.25". Oddly enough Cooper looked very even with Jimmy Stewart as well but Stewart could seem a smidge shorter on screen than Wayne. Hard to see more than a half inch between Cooper and Wayne at any rate.
Arch Stanton said on 30/Jun/15
@Gonzalo I think Robert Stack looked a decent 6 ft guy in his prime, but Rob aint buyin it, but at leats tweaked to 182, Stack was at 180 or 81 at one point!
Gonzalo said on 29/Jun/15
Yes, Bruno, I agree Cooper looks over 6`3 in many movies and pics
Bruno said on 25/Jun/15
Great find Gonzalo, Wayne and Coop look the same height in this pic, although Coop is closer to the camera. I reckon they were very similar in height maybe only a few mm in it. Coop was defo over 6'3'' peak, what do you think Gonzalo?
Gonzalo said on 23/Jun/15
Wayne and Cooper the same day. Never 100% reliable pictures. This one seems a bit more accurate than the one mrbobh5344 posted. But, as Editor Rob has said many times, pics of people walking can be tricky

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Steve said on 22/Jun/15
Gary Cooper was 6'4". He downplayed his height even claiming he was only 6'2 & 1/2".

Copper towered over many true 6' actors.
Gonzalo said on 22/Jun/15
John Wayne and Robert Stack. Stack is listed at 1,82 in this site.
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Gonzalo said on 22/Jun/15
John Wayne and Anthony Perkins
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mrbobh5344 said on 21/Jun/15
Have seen a picture of Wayne and Gary Cooper walking side by side with sandles and boat shoes showing. Picture appears mid 50's.... when both men are 50ish. They look identical height. Exactly the same.
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Sam said on 17/Jun/15
Gonzalo, there's a good chance people might not know you're joking...even Wayne at just six foot is pretty ridiculous!
Steve said on 28/May/15
Dan, John Wayne was never 6' in college. If you're hinting he was just 6' then I have to laugh at the silliness of it.
Bruno said on 25/May/15
Looked at TMWSLV and I have to say Wayne's acting was superb. A must watch film for all Wayne fans. He appears similar to JS in height, maybe .5" difference at most in Wayne's favour.
vin58 said on 23/May/15
Certified genius is a certified idiot
Dan said on 7/May/15
Too bad older comments on Wayne here have been deleted. He was listed by USC while a football player as 6'0". Also every picture with him and Gary Cooper, he is shorter than Cooper.
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 5/May/15
A weak 6ft4 is spot on. Easily 6ft5 or more in boots and/or dress shoes.
Gonzalo said on 4/May/15
Wayne was barely 5 feet tall. He was shorter tan Mickey Rooney
TRIPLEHHH said on 1/May/15
John Wayne was a solid 6'3 in his socks.
funnyguys said on 30/Apr/15
5'10" That's not even close. I'm over 5'10" and Wayne was a lot taller than me and it was at a pool.
Sixseven said on 25/Apr/15
He was 187 cm tall.(6'1.62")that's it.
Anonymous1 said on 23/Apr/15
John Wayne, without boots and in socks, next to Ron Howard in True Grit looked like a giant. I don't buy the lifts stories.
Certified Genius said on 21/Apr/15
Absolutely not. He was famous for his walk, the result of so much cardboard in his footwear. He was 5'10" in his stocking feet. They use astigmatism lenses in movies, which makes actors appear taller and thinner, more fit. John Wayne was short and fat, the same as most everyone else in Hollywood, actors are paid to tell tales, no matter how tall a tale it is.
Arch Stanton said on 20/Apr/15
Really looked massive in They Were Expendable, shorter haircut than normal too made him look more masculine than ever! In films like that he could really seem a strong 6'4" at times.
Bruno said on 17/Apr/15
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Got this one Arch of the 2 and he looks a little taller than Ferrer who was in his 50s.
Arch Stanton said on 16/Apr/15
And if you see War and Peace, a tad over the 6'3 is possible for Mel Ferrer too, he made Fonda look barely 6'1".
Steve said on 15/Apr/15
Welles was obviously two inches shorter than 6'2" Carol Reed. Click Here
Bruno said on 14/Apr/15
Agreed Arch looked slightly taller than 6'3" Mel Ferrer in 1975 Brannigan whilst wearing regular shoes. Very little height loss in his last years.
Steve said on 14/Apr/15
No way was Welles as tall as people think he was. The evidence just doesn't add up.

Welles was only around an inch taller than Dean Martin back when Dean had his weekly variaty show.

Welles was a lot shorter than Heston when seen standing next to him in the wide shot. In the film they played tricks to make Welles look close to the same height as Heston.

Welles wore lifts in Citizen Kane.
Arch Stanton said on 13/Apr/15
I don't know Steve, Welles could still look 6'1 in Treasure Island (1972). I also think Wayne could still look a strong 6'3" even in his last films.
Steve said on 11/Apr/15
I think Wayne was a full 6'4" in his youth. Then by his sixties he lost about an inch.

Welles was never more than 6'1". He might have even been 6' even. By the 1970's he had packed down to around 5'11".
Gonzalo said on 10/Apr/15
Are you sure about that, Ray? What about this?

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All of these pictures are reliable. On even ground, both men at the same distance from the camera, similar shoes (I guess). If anything, Wayne looks a bit taller than Stewart.
Ray said on 7/Apr/15
When I was a kid and John Wayne had just died, my aunts gave my dad a lot of books about the Duke as he was a bid fan. An old publicity photo from the early 1930's said he was 6' 2" and 198 lbs! In photos, Gary Cooper and Jimmy Stewart always look taller than Duke. But, Lee Marvin was supposed to be 6' 2" and Duke was a lot taller than Lee!
120 said on 25/Mar/15
Don't forget to mention that he's a big guy with really small feet
Arch Stanton said on 2/Mar/15
Yes, Coop had probably about 2cm on Heston in The Wreck of the Mary Deare which was 1959, they were very close in height but Coop definitely looked a bit taller, but he looked quite ill and shrunken in that film. And if you see Heston with Orson Welles in Touch of Evil and Peck in The Big Country, Heston was nothing under 6'2.5 peak. Coop was looking about 6'3" flat with Lancaster in Vera Cruz too, but if you really watch his 30s and early 40s films he generally looked nearer 6'4" to me than 6'3" anyway. Certainly difficult to see under 192 in a lot of his films.

I tend to enjoy even Wayne's lesser movies, his charisma and presence always shines through, even if the script was relatively poor. I've gradually been working through his massive filmography! I'll see them all eventually, even Brown of Harvard (1926) if I can get it haha!
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 1/Mar/15
Viper would probably go with 6ft-6ft1 for Wayne...
Bruno said on 1/Mar/15
100% agree with you Arch, Coop was indeed a very tall man and lost a bit in later years, but still looked slightly taller than Chuck Heston in The Wreck of the Mary Deare.
Arch Stanton said on 28/Feb/15
Well Bruno, I always thought Wayne and Clint Eastwood gave off a similar height impression on screen, and I thought that Gary Cooper looked about the same sort of height on screen as Eastwood. It's difficult to buy a flat 6'3" for Coop in his 30s and 40s films especially.
Arch Stanton said on 28/Feb/15
Haha Wayne at 5 ft 11. I doubt even Viper would come up with that one!
184.3cm said on 27/Feb/15
5'11 ? More chance of him being the 6'4.5 that he claimed in The Quiet Man than that. Listing is good and also not that crazy he just said 6'4.
Nic said on 27/Feb/15
He's about 6ft 4 or 5 and 250 at an older age but younger maybe 6ft 1 205.
Jake said on 24/Feb/15
Old Hollywood folks from the business say he was 5'11". Everyone's height was exaggerated, still is.
Bruno said on 22/Feb/15
Ya Arch I seen that one before, also the one on the sub and one where they are at a dinner party with drinks. In them 3 Coop does appear taller, there is another on location where they look similar not a good angle though.

I have always said that Coop was peak 193ish.Very tall thin man. My guess is that both men were similar in height.
Arch Stanton said on 20/Feb/15
Check out this though with Gary Cooper Click Here
Bruno said on 15/Feb/15
Ya Arch I always maintain Wayne lost very little height. Have a look at 79 oscars his poignant last tv appearance. He was very frail and thin but looked supertall because of it.
Arch Stanton said on 14/Feb/15
In The Fighting Kentuckian Wayne could make Oliver Hardy look as low as a weak 5'11 at times!
Arch Stanton said on 14/Feb/15
There's one scene in The Cowboys where Wayne is teaching the kids something and he really looks towering in particular, I should have noted what time it was in the film. There's certain moments in his films where he can look taller than 6'4", there was one scene in Donovan's Reef too when he walked into one of the rooms and looked close to 6'5", and he was wearing boat shoes in that film!
Arch Stanton said on 14/Feb/15
Dern could look 6'1" range in that film though! I think Wayne had him by between 2 and 3 inches. The worst you could really argue even in the years before his death is a strong 6'3".
Bruno said on 12/Feb/15
Ya Arch, I have a memory of where he goes into the classroom and he is with Slim Pickens and he appears a bit taller. He also is quite a bit taller than Bruce Dern, love the fight scene btw.
Arch Stanton said on 11/Feb/15
Still looked 6'4ish in The Cowboys didn't he Bruno?
Steve said on 9/Feb/15
The lifts rumor spread because of Wayne's conservative politics which went against the Hollywood status qua. But he never wore them. It got so silly that people who never worked with him or even met him were spreading it.
dietmar said on 9/Feb/15
In "Donovans Reef" Duke was easily 2in taller than Lee Marvin. Both men are wearing sneakers in this scene.

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In "Big Jim McClane" Duke was about 2.5 -3in shorter than 201cm Jim Arness.

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In "The Undefeated" Duke was 3-4cm shorter than Rock Hudson.

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So, 192cm for Duke is about right.
Steve said on 7/Feb/15

John Wayne never wore lifts.

Here's Wayne a good five inches taller than Robert Montgomery who himself claimed to be 6':

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Bruno said on 6/Feb/15
Good to have you back Tex, did you ever get those pictures of JW wearing lifts or are just listening to hearsay.
Scroll down there a few pics Tex and tell me what you observe
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And here is a little extra as the big fella would say.
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One more for you
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Tex said on 5/Feb/15
I see the same "man lovers" of the Duke are still on this site--adding inches to his height. I have met three or four people who actually knew and worked with Wayne. Once again--as he aged he wore lifts inside his shoes and he also walked on boards in his movies. When he was young he was about 6'3" --the same as Randolph Scott (in Pittsburg-the movie you can see that Scott is actually a smidgen taller). As he aged he lost about an inch. Many, many actors said he wore lifts and a member of Ricky Nelson's band who lives near me in Texas said he sit next to Wayne listening to music night after night when he made "Rio Bravo". He told me Wayne was about 6'2" and "he wore lifts in his boots". John Wayne the myth is always going to be taller-just like Elvis the myth loved his Mom and apple pie.
Arch Stanton said on 31/Jan/15
Yes Bruno, he did edge out Ferrer and absolutely towered over Attenborough.
Bruno said on 29/Jan/15
You are correct about Brannigan Steve, He looked slightly taller than Mel Ferrer (6'3''). For a big heavy man he lost very little height though IMO. Lifts statements are rubbish I believe. As I said before he looked supertall
Steve said on 28/Jan/15
Wayne was a big man. No question. He towered over nearly every actor he ever appeared with. But with all big guys who are overweight, they pack down and lose height as they age. So by the time he was in his mid-sixties I think he dropped to 6'3". But I never saw what looked like lifts. In both McQ and Brannigan he wore loafers with low heels. Yet he was taller than almost everyone in both films.
Gonzalo said on 27/Jan/15
Wayne looking slightly taller than James Stewart
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Carl said on 7/Jan/15
6ft 4ins all day long
Bruno said on 1/Jan/15
He stated 6'4'' in a 1969 interview.
Arch Stanton said on 31/Dec/14
I think Wayne might have got measured at 6'4.5 in shoes Sam so started believing he was that mark!! I'm going to request Barry Fitzgerald as I love that guy to bits.
Sam said on 30/Dec/14
Yeah, that's how that Quiet Man scene went...probably hard for someone of Barry Fitzgerald's size to gauge heights for men probably nearly a foot taller. Wayne claiming 6'4.5" is like Russell Crowe claiming "five eleven and change", they find they're pushing that inch mark but go over it LOL.
Arch Stanton said on 28/Dec/14
Wayne edged out John Carroll who was listed at 6'3.5" in Flying Tigers. They looked very close in height though.
Arch Stanton said on 28/Dec/14

I think he said six four and a half. Fitzgerald guessed him at 6'6 didn't he?
Arch Stanton said on 28/Dec/14
Wayne really looks an honest 6'4 in Flying Tigers, slimmer back then he could lanky at times. Love films from the mid war period, you can feel the tension and uncertainly of the times on film. 1942 and 1943 films especially I love watching.
Arch Stanton said on 26/Dec/14
Well Brannigan wasn't exactly very good either! You've got to hand it to him though, he was still walking tall right until the very end and still towered most of his costars and looked near 6'4".
Arch Stanton said on 26/Dec/14
I actually preferred Brannigan to Mcq Steve! At least Brannigan wasn't quite trying to be the poor man's Magnum Force and had some good locations and actors in it!

Saw The Sea Chase afterwards and I thought Wayne looked less than 3 inches shorter than James Arness in it and made him look 6 ft 6-6'6.5".
Steve said on 26/Dec/14
McQ was enjoyable, but still not great.

Brannigan wasn't very good.

The Duke made some truly atrocious movies towards the end of his long career.

His best role was Ethan Edwards in The Searchers. Probably his best film. He deserved an Oscar for that performance. That's a western I can watch over and over and never get bored. A masterpiece and perhaps John Ford's greatest film.
Arch Stanton said on 26/Dec/14
Brannigan was OK I thought, it was Mcq I thought a bit poor. Just didn't look right in the film.
Bruno said on 25/Dec/14
Yes Arch, still edged out 6'3'' Mel Ferrer and wearing regular shoes. As I have always said he didn't lose much height in his later years.
PJO said on 25/Dec/14
John Wayne tells Barry Fitzgerald when asked during a cart ride through the Irish countryside that he was 6'4" tall...Indeed the Duke was...not that important for Marion Morrison though...
Arch Stanton said on 24/Dec/14
Looked a weak 6'4" in Brannigan and he was in his late 60s at the time. Absolutely towered over Richard Attenborough.
Chuckie Cheese 2 said on 24/Dec/14
John Wayne seemed larger than life because he had a massive& long upper torso And the legs of a 6 ft 0 man,--a 33 inseam, large chest; 42-44 inches & His boot size was 11-- which would be a foot length of ~10-3/4 to 11 inches long or, 14.2% of his stature- all these give him a perspective trick, making him look bigger than life. I can buy 6-ft-3-3/4, as he was definitely a very tall man. He weighed a Paleolithic 170 at college when he was a football player, but filled his frame out to his majestic size of 200-220 lbs.
Steve said on 23/Dec/14
Almost any film is better than The Green Berets. Even Plan 9 From Outer Space!
Sixseven said on 23/Dec/14
His son claims he was 185 cm. tall.
Sam said on 22/Dec/14
I agree that Liberty Valance is better than Hondo but I might add that Red River is way better than The Green Berets IMO.
Shredo said on 21/Dec/14
Strong 6'3 with no lifts
Jake: 1.84 m- 1.85 m said on 20/Dec/14
Rob, can you please add 'Red River' and 'the Man Who Shot Liberty Valance' to the top.
[Editor Rob: I try to keep mention of movies to a limit of 10, but Libert vance is better than Hondo.]
Big Jake said on 18/Dec/14
When I was 22, I saw John Wayne's fist print in the concrete outside Mann's Chinese theatre. I bent over and put my fist on it. I was very sorry I did. My fist dwarfed his. I'm 6'6". If the Duke was around an inch shorter than I am, he had tiny hands. Also, I have size 14 feet. He should have been 12-13 at 6'4 3/4".
Big Jake said on 18/Dec/14
When I was 22, I saw John Wayne's fist print in the concrete outside Mann's Chinese theatre. I bent over and put my fist on it. I was very sorry I did. My fist dwarfed his. I'm 6'6". If the Duke was around an inch shorter than I am, he had tiny hands. Also, I have size 14 feet. He should have been 12-13 at 6'4 3/4".
Jock said on 15/Dec/14
If you look at the scene from Donovans Reef where Marvin and Wayne get out the pool and walk away side by side on a level floor, you can see Wayne is a good 2 to 3 inches taller,flat beach shoes are worn by both, this is one film that 100% confirms that Wayne was a tall guy without Cowboy boots or lifts,
patrick said on 3/Sep/12
But that means nothing...looking 6'2 young and 4 aged...Antway, i still insist on saying that leads nowhere to compare what is not comparable. I agree with bruno anyway and i just consider the Duke looking mostly huge and very tall. Even beside James Arness who used to make anyine small even 6'4.5 Robert Easton or 6'2.5 Dennis Weaver.
bruno said on 2/Sep/12
And what height did he look barefoot in The Shootist. He was 68 and Ron Howard is 5'10'' with shoes on. I'd say 6'4".
Shaun said on 31/Aug/12
No I don't know what you mean. The photos are not supposed to be ideal to gauge height, far from it. I'm basically saying that in terms of height John Wayne in the Big Trail and somebody like Jeff Goldblum its impossible to figure how they could be the same height. Wayne looks nowhere near as tall in that film. You don't have to get all defensive Patrick, I'm not disputing Wayne was actually 6'4", he looked it in most of his films but he oddly looked 6'2" tops in his early movies, that's what I'm saying.
patrick said on 30/Aug/12
Sorry that serious, i mean those pictures? One showing young Duke alone and another, completely differently shot, with digital camera of aging Goldblum. Sometime i really 'wonder'...know what i mean?
Shaun said on 27/Aug/12
OK, the camera is lower and in favour of making Goldblum look taller but what I'm saying is that it is very difficult to watch the Big Trail and buy 6'4" for Wayne.
Shaun said on 26/Aug/12
John Wayne in the Big Trail:

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See what I mean....
Shaun said on 26/Aug/12
patrick says on 25/Aug/12
In the big trail...he is the only one wearing flat indian mocassins, as if he were bare foot. All the others wear typical western shoes or cow boy boots.

Exactly. And proportionally walking through the doorway next to a woman he looked 6'2" max and looked nowhere near 6'4" in the Big Trail. I've seen the film lot of times and everytime I watch it I try to figure how Wayne could have been as big as 6'4" in it..
Mark said on 25/Aug/12
...I'm not interested in getting into debates, but with a bit of spare time I read some posts here and will add my 3 cents. Regarding Wayn's hands; I've read at least two articles, over my life (I have no clue when or where) that say people who shook John Wayne's hand were amazed at how much of a giant mitt his hands were. I've never seen his handprint, so I can't say what's true, only what I know I read. As for height, He certainly was over 6'2, I have no doubts about that...just by the way he looked and sized up to others. 6'3 or 6'4. It's probably like what I think Eastwood's height was. 6'4 "right" out of bed, 6'3 by day's end seems right, for both men. And, Wane never lost good posture. As for Wayne's acting, I think he was spot on. I often chuckle at criticisms of certain actor's acting. Pretend the average person you run into at Walmart is an actor, acting. Would any of us say they were doing good acting? No. We'd say they say their lines with no emotion and they aren't exciting. My point being, how was Wayne "supposed" to act? I believe him when he's acting. I believe he's that guy. That's good acting. Actually, great comedy is the best acting. I could care less about what the Academy thinks is good acting (always drama. Who "Can't" moan and groan and cry). I digress. My apologies. Wayne, 6'3 to 6'4, with mitts for my opinion.
patrick said on 25/Aug/12
In the big trail...he is the only one wearing flat indian mocassins, as if he were bare foot. All the others wear typical western shoes or cow boy boots. As for the Mann's Chinese Theatre prints...i also saw them many times...It is easy to guess he just did not 'press' a very hard concrete whichis corroborated by then accounts. In fact, considering those prints - which would tend to make us think John Wayne was actually Mickey Rooney - rather than one's own eyes in, for example, just...warching any of his movies, comes close to being stupid or naively blind or both.
Henrik said on 23/Aug/12

Rock Hudson's height was actually lowered on the bill at times. He was listed as 6'3.5" when he came to Hollywood.
Shaun said on 22/Aug/12
He looked 6'2" in The Big Trail but to be fair in most of his movies he looked as big as 6'4". The barefoot seen with that 5'9.5" guy in shoes convinced me that he was legitimately near 6'4". Surprised they didn't inflate his height though as "being big" in that era was desirable. Like I'm surprised they didn't say 6'6" for him, 6'7" for Hudson, 6'8" for Clint Walker and 6'9" for James Arness!
Henrik said on 20/Aug/12
Well, it seems to me that I tripped on some toes. Did I comment on your whole long post? No. I replied to your saying that people wasted time discussing John Wayne's height. Sure, it is wasting time, but also the whole purpose of this page.
JR said on 19/Aug/12
I think he was between 6'3.25 and 6'4 at his peak. Great actor one of my Idols.
John Henrys Hammer said on 17/Aug/12

Thank you for pointing out that this site is for discussing height.

We would all be lost without your wisdom.

Read my comments again, and try harder to understand the point I was making.

Clearly, you missed it the first time you read it.
patrick said on 17/Aug/12
Stone as well as previously JHH, you both wrote 'gold'...I just cannot do anything but agree with you...i could have written those words. Some people can even be 6' 5 or 5'4 and nobody cares because they don't 'have it'. James Cagney, a far more - to me - interesting, weak word, man than the other James, Dean, was probably 5'5 or 5'6 tops...but what a giant! His height was a part of his Mickey Mouse's one - joke but then...The Duke was not only tall, many are tall and who remarks them, but a giant in humanity as Cagney, Bogart, Tracy and even in his own way, Mickey...Rooney. The Duke was huge and the great Rock Hudson could not match him though in this feature film, taller. He was something no one has been before or after him...James Arness, a great man too was possibly two inches taller but finally smaller. I am just sure him or the wonderful Clint Walker would have agreed. I miss the ones Stone mentioned...all of them. I was born in 1953, in France and i all along my life, considered them as landmarks as human beings i wanted to take as examples in my own life as well as actors larger than life. John Wayne's movies are first his own ones, even the less interesting as jet pilot, get benefit of his incredible presence that makes it watchable. There was only one John Wayne and this very world cannot produce another, at least 'known'. Watch movies of the 30ies, 40ies and 50ies...and tell me, comparing to what is on screen now, there is nothing wrong in our values, tastes today, that it is 'better', more intelligent, more profound...actors to day are short or not tall but should they be tall, but a bunch of TV actors, they would be dwarfed by any of the Stone's list.e comments. Height matters only a part of the man's personality. Some can
Stone said on 16/Aug/12
I don't think the Duke cared how tall he was or how much taller others were. He was JOHN WAYNE. He was the man. John Wayne Clint Eastwood and my Dad, they don't make them like that anymore. The attitude, telling people the way it is and never tippy toed around like alot of these fakes do just to be politically correct. James Arness was a great man also. I miss those guys, Clint is still here and still makes a damn good movie. Getting back to the height of actors, I don't think it really matters how tall or big they are, if they make a good movie, and live their life the right way and never deliver any BS, then I'm all for them. Joe Pesci is another great person. He maybe only 5 foot tall but he's a bad dude and can handle anyone.
I miss John Wayne, I love watching his movies it reminds me of those innocent days. Those days are long gone and won't ever come back. So who really cares how tall anyone is, if they live a good life and don't give any BS, who cares.
Henrik said on 13/Aug/12
With 6'0" Broderick Crawford:

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Henrik said on 13/Aug/12
patrick, I wrote that the picture I provided was from one of his movies - The Searchers. It might just be the picture that's tricking me. I'm not saying that's an impossibility.

@John Henrys Hammer

This site is about discussing height. And most of us are not denying that Wayne was about 6'4", I think.
John Henrys Hammer said on 12/Aug/12
I find this arguing about the Big Man's height bemusing. Aye, I've always been interested in height (and cursed my body for years for reaching only 6' 1" and not the 6' 2" I expected to be!) but folk are wasting time squabbling over JW's height and size. Frankly, some of the comments are cringeworthy, such as, 'He had small hands!' or 'He was only 5 foot something and they made the sets smaller than normal scale to make him look bigger!". Dear oh dear. John Wayne at his peak was six foot four. This is documentated in his college years. He was clearly a big, big man - even if he lost an inch or so as he went into his sixties. His hands were huge. His feet were average. I mean, what the heck are you lot arguing about?? This is not Frank Sinatra we're arguing about, a little guy who always wore lifts to appear taller. This is John Wayne! He was huge! And yes, even though he was huge, some other actors were even bigger, or at least taller. Rock Hudso is clearly taller (and a whole lot slimmer (sorry Duke)) in The Undefeated. Hudson I believe was six foot five, so even at Dukes peak, Hudson was taller. James Arness was a ridiculous height, six foot six or seven. I don't understand why some folk use some other actors who were taller than Duke as a some sort of weapon against him. A lot of folk are taller than six foot four. The point is, Duke was six foot four at his peak and had an excellent proportion of body, reasonably long legged and massiceve in the torso (look at him next to Dean Martin or Glen Campbell, he towers over them and they, whilst not being greatlt tall, were certainly not short. A good indicator is the scene in Donovans Reef when Duke and Lee Marvin are standing side by side after fighting in the water. Both appear to be wearing flat soled shoes. Wayne is clearly an inch or two taller than Marvin, who was a solid six foot two. Maybe by that time (he must have been around 55 years old) he had lost an inch in height, but he was still huge.
Anyway, point is, debates would make more sense on folk we know aren't as tall they claim or appear.
patrick said on 5/Aug/12
With Rock but at 62 and with so many surgeries, ribbs-off...i couldn't open the Charlton Heston's one, sorry.
cobra said on 4/Aug/12
Here with Rock Hudson:

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cobra said on 4/Aug/12
With Charleton Heston, and Heston appears closer to the camera:

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patrick said on 4/Aug/12
Rendur said on July 25th: ''NOT according to Universal Studios. They show the boxes they used for him to stand on in order to be taller than his leading ladies& the special 3/4 scale they had to make the saloon doors so they he would "appear" to fill up the space. Universal says that he was only 5' something.''. Either i am stupid and need to get english lessons or this is the most ridiculous comment i ever read in that besides perfect site. About proportions, the Duke - as welle as Sean Conneyr - was a very proportioned man which makes him look majestic, stately stature he wisely knew how to use.In Gunsmoke episodes with Dennis Weaver who always looked very tall as about 6'2.5, above all at the time, James Arness litterally dwarfes him, in height as well as in shoulder width. He looks like a sunday-school boy beside Arness and as far as i know, that is never the impression the duke gives whether it is in watching movies Arness co-stars or the pics, including those put here by Henrik. As for having 'samll hands', have you ever watch any Wayne's movie to say that? He has huge bear paws and anyone can see that. About Lucchese boots, they have exactly the same heel height as any other brand used by other actors in any western, making them all looking with the same height advantage. Fireman, the story is nothing but absolutely true and very known. The pic Outlaw shows with Ryan and Wayne proves they were the same height which is visible in their common movies. John Wayne was besides, always swaying and pratically never stood upright even in his 'military-soldier movies'. His favorite pose was always standing on one leg, the other being folded, torso and head swaying aside with a gentle smile as only have real strong people. No showing off here and real cool attitude, nothing to do with so-called cool actors as the late Steve McQueen, Brando or the supposedly cool James Dean who was a very interesting actor but tormented as the the two others. Paul Newman was another real cool man. Looking cool and being so are two completely different things. The Duke didn't care looking taller or not, ore else he always would have stood uprigth not to loose a tenth inch of height! Building special 3/4 doors frames to make him look is it possible such silly things can be engendered by a human brain?
Outlaw said on 3/Aug/12
John Wayne w/Robert Ryan (6'4")

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firemane said on 1/Aug/12
Read a story somewhere about him beating up a bodyguard of Frank Sintra. They stood looking each other in the eyes in Frank's hotel doorway, and were equal in height. Frank mentioned that he had a 6'4" bodyguard. Wayne knocked him down with one swing, then slammed a stereo and table across his back, knocking him out.
rendur said on 25/Jul/12
NOT according to Universal Studios. They show the boxes they used for him to stand on in order to be taller than his leading ladies& the special 3/4 scale they had to make the saloon doors so they he would "appear" to fill up the space. Universal says that he was only 5' something.
macdaddy said on 24/Jul/12
Happy Shahan who owned the ranch where the Alamo was filmed told me that Wayne was about 6'3". Wayne nearly always wore Lucchese Cowboy boots which add 2" to his height.
adam said on 9/Jun/12
So this works again, Rob?
Henrik said on 14/Feb/12
Most guys that I know who are 6'3"-6'4" wear a size 10-12US shoe (12 being the most uncommon), which Wayne supposedly did (11). My uncle is a weak 6'4" and takes 11. I also have a 6'6" friend who wears 11. I am 6'3" myself, and I take 13. My feet surely do stand out and are occasionally seen as "freaky", I can tell you that. Don't know if it's really that legitimate to say that Wayne had unnormally small feet...

It seemed to be true, however, that he did have small hands:

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Picture is from The Searchers.
jtm said on 13/Feb/12
charles bronson was closer to 5'7. the 5'9-5'10 claims for him is a joke. wayne was a weak 6'4.
Henrik said on 11/Feb/12
In Big Jim McLain, 6'7" James Arness looked like he would be able to tower over The Duke.

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Wayne was often dressed in ways that made his legs look smaller.

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I would say that he had a moderate build, neither long- or short-legged. He would indeed have looked more proportionate at 6'2"-6'3", which makes me inclined to believe that he actually was around the 6'4" mark.
Shaun said on 10/Feb/12
Yeah exactly. Charles Bronson was the sort of guy though that no tall man wants to get in a fight with in a pub. He was like one of those pug faced super tough boxers with stamina who would the s**t out of most bigger guys and will "fight to the burger". Sinewy is a perfect word to describe him. Or "weathered", like Paul Hogan as Croc Dundee. I can believe Wayne was 6'4" but had comparitively short legs and small feet for his height and a very large torso. But I think there was more chance of 6'3.5" than 6'4.5" in all honesty Carl. Clint Eastwood and Clint Walker on the other hand obviously wore a 36 inseam. I think we saw his true height in that barefoot clip in a dressing gown and he was quite old at the time too and looked 6'4" in comparison, that's what convinced me anyway. But if you watch the Big Trail or several of his other early films seriously you will find yourself squinting at the screen and thinking "6'4, really?? My personal opinion is that he looked 6'2" ish in the Big Trail and didn't even look close to 6'4". And he did look 4 inches shorter than Alan Napier in Big Jim Mclain.
Henrik said on 9/Feb/12
John Wayne's legs were 34" (inseam). They auction out pants worn by him in his films with that inseam (the ones he wore short were usually 32") on the Internet.

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Sean Connery was supposedly a strong 6'2" (189cm) with a 34" inseam:

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It's up to you whether you think Wayne's torso was longer than Connery's or not.
Henrik said on 9/Feb/12
Patrick says on 9/Feb/12
Henrik, Charles Bronson was not tall but not short for all that at probably about 5’9 or so, maybe 5‘8 minimum. He however, was so well built and visibly naturally very strong – the natural biggest and sinew arms ever – that nobody paid attention to his height. A bit as about Robert Conrad. It is not his page but since we are talking about “men”…John Wayne was very tall and broad shouldered and with long big arms and legs. Many actors were then minimum or above 6’1 while being 6 now is “tall”. That’s a fact.

Charles Bronson was 5'8" according to this site. Supposedly often referred to as 6' in his movies. 5'8" wasn't short for his era in real life, but it was for the Hollywood standards back then.
Patrick said on 9/Feb/12
Henrik, Charles Bronson was not tall but not short for all that at probably about 5’9 or so, maybe 5‘8 minimum. He however, was so well built and visibly naturally very strong – the natural biggest and sinew arms ever – that nobody paid attention to his height. A bit as about Robert Conrad. It is not his page but since we are talking about “men”…John Wayne was very tall and broad shouldered and with long big arms and legs. Many actors were then minimum or above 6’1 while being 6 now is “tall”. That’s a fact.
Henrik said on 8/Feb/12
Yeah, Patrick. Some seem to have a hard time coping with the fact that the majority of old Western actors were tall. Come on, there were shorter ones too, like Charles Bronson and James Dean.
Patrick said on 6/Feb/12
Calling anyone idiot is very rude and above all, easy behind ones keyboard but that person sounds qualified to do so for being himself so. Actually, arguing Clint Eastwood being 61 at peal is not only irrelevant but silly. This is a serious site! I still believe that the Duke was 64 even though I admit that sometimes, he only looks 63 just because of his swaying and never having a straight up posture while facing standing upright tall actors.
Henrik said on 18/Jan/12
I'd be careful about calling others "idiots" when claiming a peak Eastwood to have been 6'1" (!). John Wayne was listed 6'3" in high scool medical records, and 6'4" in college records. At least my school nurse put down what she got from the stadiometer in my records.

As for Clint, here he is appearing with 6'1"-6'2" (listed 6'1.5") Paul Benjamin: Click Here
maio said on 9/Jan/12
6 ft 4 in/193 cm is the right one
Carl said on 6/Jan/12
6ft 4ins, it's stated in his football college records....!
Billy said on 5/Jan/12
6-3.5 was his height and he often wore lifts to make him look even taller than that. People saying below 6-3 or above 6-4 are talking utter nonsense and have not done any thorough research.
As Wayne himself said 'They're just spitting words out, to see where they splatter!'

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