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Patrick says on 5/Nov/09
Bob H. i invite you to refer again to my 29/Oct/09 comment: have you sand in your eyes or do you "want" to shorten, reduce, lower the Duke? Frankly, the heads sizes prove this picture cannot serve as refrence. Period.
Bob H. says on 3/Nov/09
The pictue below with the Baer's appears to be taken when Wayne was filming 'The Horse Soldiers'. That was a John Ford film. I don't believe Wayne would have worn his lifts while doing a Ford picture. Ford would have made a point of humiliating Wayne for it. Ford was a known prick. Wayne would have been early 50's at time of picture. Likely no longer 6'4"... if ever. brunobrowne says on 29/Oct/09
Just looked at How the West was won, JW appears a head taller than Harry
Morgan (full body shot) and morgan was 5' 6''. This puts Wayne at 6'4''. In the only scene where Widwark and peppard stand close to one another Widmark looks 1' taller yet RW is 5'10'' and GP is 6'0''. However you cannot see their feet.
Karl Malden and Jimmy Stewart look similar height yet we all know that JS is 2'' taller (not a full body shot).
Peppard looks slightly taller than Fonda although he was at least 1'' shorter and again not a full body shot.
What I am saying is you can select pictures that can mislead you. When you look at Wayne in a full picture beside other actors and when he is standing straight he always looks really tall and thats a fact. Patrick says on 29/Oct/09
Once more Gonzalo my friend, you seem to be the only one being able to see and comment real facts! Nothing to add to what is so well posted! Have the others any idea of what posture and perspective mean? The fact they “seem” to be close to each other is just deceptive. The Duke adopts his famous very casual posture, swaying his up body while keeping legs flexed.
For those who would need any kind of proof, it is just enough to compare their respective head sizes. John Wayne had a decently big head but here, M. Baer’s and his son’s ones are about one fifth bigger than the Duke’s.
That don’t even need any ruler so much visible it is!
I just have watched Hell fighters and in turn 6’5 Jim Hutton looks a bit taller and shorter than Wayne. Jim always, always stands upright while the Duke is constantly swaying down and aside. When “He” stops doing it, as in any other movie he was in, he gains about one to two inches. Never John Wayne stood upright outside some of his cavalry feature films while reviewing troops. If he had be so interested in looking “taller” than he really was (!) he never would have adopt such an attitude. The same with all real tall guys as Sterling Hayden.
I a book I am reading about the Duke, all the testimonies mention “how bigger and taller than anyone else” he was; all of them including big and tall other actors!
You want a proof? Just watch his movies and keep you eyes from your possible negative and restrictive opinion towards him! Harry Lime says on 28/Oct/09
Pete, a great pic. Wayne is wearing cowboy boots and both Baers are slouching as well. Wayne would be shorter than Max Jr. Gonzalo says on 27/Oct/09
Good pic, Pete. But both Baers are closer to the camera so the pic is not 100% reliable. And Wayne is not standing straight, look at his legs. He looks shorter than Max Jr. but we really can not tell. Pete says on 25/Oct/09
Just went to a web site on Max Baer, Sr. Has a photo of Max Sr., John Wayne, and Max Baer Jr side-by-side. Max Sr was 6'2.5" and Max Jr is 6'4". John Wayne looks shorter than both. Check photo in this link: Click Here Shaun says on 23/Oct/09
No I agree that he looks about 1.5-2 inches taller. What I mean though is that Hudon claimed 6'4" and was "markedly" taller than Wayne who also claimed 6'4", so one of them is lying. I would agree with you Hudson looks 6'5.5" at peak. Outlaw says on 23/Oct/09
Shaun, when you say Rock looked considerably taller than Hudson, that sounds a little strange, especially when you say Wayne was 6'4" and Hudson 6'5". Considerably describes something like 3-4 inches shorter, at least that would be considered "considerably" shorter. He never looked anything below 1.5" shorter than Hudson from my view. Which, at the time, would put Wayne at 6'3.5" and Hudson at 6'5" or Wayne at 6'4" and Hudson at 6'5.5," which I suspect he was.
As for Ward Bond, guyfrommars, he is usually listed around 6'2.5"-6'3". And in Fort Apache, I'd say he stands around 6'2," as he looked around 2 inches shorter than Wayne, just barely taller than Fonda (6'1.5"), and about an inch under McLaglen (who was 6'3").
But I do agree with you, the 3-4 inch lifts INSIDE shoes and boots is beyond ridiculous. Unless he was hunched over as far as he could 100% of the time while wearing them. Sources DO claim he did wear lifts in his shoes/boots after '64 or '69 because he was no longer in peak condition, with slow failing health. Still, I do not buy that myself, unless he only wore them in public and not in his films. If he did wear them in his films, he'd be standing 6'6" and maybe more in regular shoes with normal lifts. However, he always remained looking the same height his whole career. As you stated, he was seen numerous times on screen barefoot and certainly appeared 6'4".
Anyway, that is just my opinion.
Take care and may the Lord be with y'all. guyfrommars says on 22/Oct/09
Rock Hudson was taller than Wayne, he was a big 6ft5 guy. Fonda was 6ft1 - 6ft1.5 in his prime (even in his older days, he towers over 5ft8 Charles Bronson in Once Upon a Time in the West), and yes, Wayne is nearly 3 inches taller than him. In the same movie (Fort Apache) Wayne appears to be taller than 6ft3 Ward Bond (some sources give 6ft2 as Bond's height, but anyways). Shaun says on 21/Oct/09
Also remember Wayne had a good 3 inches on Henry Fonda. If Wayne was only 6'2" Fonda was 5'11" which is again BS. Fonda was around 6'1" maybe even 6'1.5" in his prime. The 6'4" adds up to most. He did however look considerably shorter than Rock Hudson who also claimed 6'4", Hudson to me looked easily 6'5"... Shaun says on 21/Oct/09
The people who claim Wayne wore 4 inch lifts though I don't think believe he was a legit 6'4" barefoot. I've heard many people claim he was only 6'2" in his prime barefooted or even 6'1" by his death and that ongoing medical problems and height loss meant that he felt forced to wear big lifts and a toupe in the 70s to maintain his image. So he wore lifts which maybe gave him 2 inches to try to maintain the 6'4". I do however think that the evidence of him barefoot in some of his films, towering above 5'9 or 5'10" guys (wearing boots/generous footwear) while he was clearly barefoot is sufficient enough to confirm that he was a legit 190 er. PLus he was 2-3 inches taller than Lee Marvin in flat canvas shoes. I believe Marvin was close to 6'2" probably 6'1.5" so it adds up that Wayne was around 6'4" legit. If Wayne was only 6'2", Marvin was struggling with a flat 6' most likely 5'11.5" which is abolsute BS. So Wayne had to be in the 6'4" range. guyfrommars says on 17/Oct/09
Agreed with Shaun. He was barefoot in some of his films and looked huge. Wayne wearing lifts is a joke and a bad accusation from those who envied him.
On that certain four-letter movie site a trivia entry states that Wayne wore 3 or 4 inch lifts in his older days. That is total nonsense.
1. No one wears 3 or 4-inch lifts. That is impossible. Even in boots, those would be impossible to wear or walk with. 2-inch lifts are the maximum. The clever wearer combines lifts with the shoes' heels. Like a 1.5-inch heeled shoe plus 1.5-inch lifts are 3 inches of gained height.
2. In 3 or 4-inch lifts Wayne would be 6ft7 or 6ft8. He was tall, but THAT tall. In that case he would've looked like a giant surrounded by midgets, which was not the case.
Wayne wore cowboy boots in his western movies, which had nearly 2-inch heels, but all the others did too, so he looked a legit 6ft4 in his films. Shaun says on 13/Oct/09
What Fan, the fact that many of his co-stars claimed he wore 4 inch lifts and a toupe so people are very suspicious about his listed Hollywood height? Well I've seen barefoot in some of his films and I think we can safely say he was in the 6'3"- 6'4" range for real. Cowboy boots though do give two inches and you combine that with Wayne's weight and bulky frame as he got older and he looked a mountain of man. He is still referred to today as the quintessential masculine guy, even thirty years after his death... Arness was 6'7" or pretty close 6'6.5" at peak so Wayne being 6'4" naturally looked 3 inches shorter. Fan says on 10/Oct/09
Considering Wayne did not have a stomach for the last 6 months he lived that is highly unlikely. I often think people disputing John Wayne's height is more about his politics than his height. Its amazing how much emotive responses there are about the man thirty years after he died. Somehow or other it seems to me that if you are one of the ones who feels very strongly anti John Wayne, if you can prove he lied about his height well it diminishes the legend, makes him pardon the pun, less than he was, proves his politics ( which by the way I don't share) were wrong and by default those who are anti John Wayne right. jeffrey adam says on 10/Oct/09
John Wayne just for the record had 30lbs of red meat in his colon when he died! His lifestyle sure wasnt healthy: He smoked 5-6 packs of cigarettes and drank about a quart of whisky/tequila a day!
Oh and Wayne does look about 6-4 in every film except THE LONGEST DAY and a few others. jeffrey says on 26/Sep/09
Wayne was only two inches taller than Anthony Quinn. Quinn was 6-1. Brunobrowne says on 24/Sep/09
Just watched a film 'flying tigers', Wayne's first war movie. In it his co-star is a guy named John Carroll. Looked up this guy's height and it is claimed to be 6' 5''.
In any scene which has both actors standing near to one another Wayne is either the same height or 1'' taller. The film was made in 1941 released in 1942, so no lifts I would say and Carroll's claimed height puts Wayne at 6'5''. What do you think Adam. Patrick says on 23/Sep/09
Very well posted Fan and absolutely enlightening. The Duke ad obviously high arches; it’s quite visible in the scene with Ron Howard.
I hence agree with you at 100%.
The same with the “slouching aspect” developed by both Fan and Frank2.
I repeat that for a man willing to look taller than he was, he had a curious way to show it since he was always, always either slouching or worse, standing over one leg, the other being bent, with hands put on his hips, a very iconic and relaxed attitude, kinda trademark.
That’s also the best way to get shorter! Frank2 says on 23/Sep/09
Well said, Fan. Wayne was huge. I was shocked the first time I saw him in person. And yes, he did slouch a lot as if to bring himself down closer to most people who he towered over. The lift notion is downright silly.
I wonder what happened to Adam. He was going around spreading that rumor as if it was fact. Fan says on 22/Sep/09
I think the John Wayne wore lifts thing started because he wore custom made boots. In his book about the Ford Stock company which gives some wonderful portraits of Ben Johnson, Wayne and Ford, Harry Carey Jr describes Wayne getting pretty angry when Ford was asked (made) him try non-custom made boots for a film as his character was not someone who would wear custom made boots. Wayne could not get his feet into them and he tossed the boots into a wall. Apparently he had high arches and insteps and could not get his feet into a normal western boot. Which explains why people interpreted custom made boot as lifts. May also explain why most non western footwear you see in pictures of Wayne are slip on shoes
One of the things you notice when you read reports of people who met Wayne, friend or foe, is that they remember with shock how tall and big he was. Much bigger than he appears in movies. Which rather suggests Wayne deliberately slouched or stood down hill in group scenes.
In some of the DVD extras of Ford/Wayne films there are some home movies that were taken by John Ford. Wayne goofing off on a fishing trip is standing beside 6'1" Henry Fonda. Wayne towers over him.
In another one Wayne, wearing very flat boots and no hat is walking in the desert beside Ward Bond who is wearing cowboy boots and a western hat. Bareheaded Wayne is taller than Bond in a hat. Tony G. says on 18/Sep/09
Will: John Wayne wore size 11 shoes/boots.
Adam: How was he racist? Remember, his wives were hispanic/latino. Patrick says on 11/Sep/09
Thanks Frank2. I appreciate! I knew about How the West was Won and I am happy that Newman did it because Tiomkin was more an intimist western composer what was not the Alamo case but remember how romantic was the music; more than epic!
I wrote that comment very quickly and forgot Max Steiner and many others. Miklos Rosza was fabulous as Films Noirs composer as well as Epic ones. Danny Elfmann did a very good job on Batman (1989). What lacks today is a "theme".
Try to remember a movie theme today!
But for John Williams, a « theme » composer by excellence, you cannot have it in mind, even for films which would need it as Spiderman while even the cartoon theme was unforgettable!
The same for TV shows except the best as Law & Order.
As for John Wayne, he allegedly was eleven (what I read in the most serious sources) and frankly, it’s what I think just in watching movies: the quiet man for instance where his feet are clearly visible and his (alas!) last one where you can see his bare feet.
They do not look that small without seeming particularly long; just “normal” and very strong and thick as it is appropriate for such a big man.
I dedicate this comment to the memory of the September eleventh. Frank2 says on 11/Sep/09
Chaco, the series of photos of Arness taken when he did THE THING FROM ANOTHER WORLD came form Life's archive hosted by Google. Go here and then type in THE THING. A bunch of shots will pop up:
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If that link doesn't work, try this one:
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Life has lots of great photos. Type in "back lot Fox" and you'll see tons of photos showing the dismantling of the huge 20th Century Fox studio backlot of outdoor sets that occurred back in 1961 after the studio lost a fortune on CLEOPATRA. Of all the studio backlots, Fox had the best as well as the largest. It took up most of what is today Century City in West LA. All that's left of the physical studio is about 40 acres where the sound stages, offices and support buildings remain. The Fox network has their headquarters on the lot.
Life also has loads of celebrity photos. Just pick a name and type it into the search bar.
Patrick, well said. I agree with you. By the way, Dimitri Tiomkins who composed the music for HIGH NOON, Hawks' RIO BRAVO and Wayne's THE ALAMO was originally supposed to compose the music for HOW THE WEST WAS WON. But Ccataracts stopped him so Newman got the job. It's one of Newman's finest. Will says on 11/Sep/09
Mr. John Wayne was a really tall man. He stood 6 feet 5 inches tall. You mess with John Wayne, he will beat you up. His authoritative, no-nonsense and rather demeanor look will make all troublesome bullies go away and shoo for their lives. It was controversially reported that he only wore a size 7 US men's shoe. Patrick says on 10/Sep/09
The Duke was great in many of his films and in Rio Bravo, he is fantastic in the way almost "minimalist" that will neo actors be fond of at this difference that John Wayne remains himself, incomparable.
As for James Arness, even the great and so tall Clint Walker always said James was the only leading actor (at least on TV) to be exactly "one icnh taller than him at 6'7. The excellent pics with the 6'2 Dennis Weaver speak for themselves.
My favourite film composers depend on the genre: Alfred Newman probably composed the most beautiful and thrilling music score ever in How the West was Won. He did too the fox fanfare. Apart from that, those you names were or still are fabulous and don't forget the great Jerry Goldsmith and Elmer Bernstein either.
As for Morricone, after some among the most beutiful musical sentences, even though not what i prefer, became very banal and "commercial". He needed a great director to lead him but he was often caricatural. Good bad and ugly, even though thrilling too is almost just at the limit. Listen to the score going along with the first mute scenes of Rio Bravo: outstanding!
One of the biggest melody is the Superman theme but Hermmann did what can be called masterpieces after masterpieces!
Thanks for reading so many interesting film lovers comments guys! Tim P says on 7/Sep/09
John Wayne looked 3 inches shorter than 6'6 James Arness. Wayne was 6'3 in his socks. Chaco says on 29/Aug/09
Frank2...Where are you guys finding those great movie stills from various movies...i.e. James Arness rehearsing electicution scene, etc... RisingForce says on 29/Aug/09
The Searchers was probably Wayne's best performance. Everyone knows the Oscar he got for True Grit was more or less a lifetime achievement award. guyfrommars says on 27/Aug/09
Wayne is seen barefoot in both The Quiet Man and Red River. He was a legit 6ft4. In both The Quiet Man and Fort Apache he did look taller than 6ft3 Ward Bond, and in the latter movie Wayne was clearly a lot taller than 6ft1ish Henry Fonda. Brad says on 26/Aug/09
Johnny Williams' music for E.T. was one of the best soundtracks ever. Frank2 says on 25/Aug/09
RisingForce, THE SEARCHERS is also my favorite Wayne film. I've seen it so many times I lose count. A true masterpiece and one of the ten best westerns ever made. Wayne's Ethan Edwards is a very complex character and Wayne shows depth to his acting. That was the performance he deserves the Oscar for, not TRUE GRIT. Gonzalo says on 25/Aug/09
Herrman was great. His scores are unique. My favourites are Morricone and Maurice Jarre. Tiomkin was great, and Miklos Rozsa. Mancini is another great composer.
Well, Adam, don´t forget Rio Bravo and Stagecoach. And Shane. I used to be a great fan of The good, the bad and the ugly. I didn´t like it that much the last time I saw it Brunobrowne says on 24/Aug/09
I'm afraid Dirty harry Wayne was 6'4'', look at the photo Frank2 posted, he dwarfs 6' gable. RisingForce says on 24/Aug/09
The Searchers is probably my favorite John Wayne movie. adam says on 24/Aug/09
And about film scores. My favourite ones besides LAWRENCE:
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-I love it! The film is (of course!) a true masterpiece also.
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-Herrman again! A genius! I cant say that Im an expert with film scores but I sure know Herrman -and I love his works. VERTIGO, one of the greatest films of all time and the theme is just... magical! Chilling, cool, touching. I love it.
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-The greatest of em all!!! Has to be. The film is (along with THE SEARCHERS) the best western in my opinion. And the theme is the best film score I`ve heard.
So Morricone and Herrman are my favourite ones, Frank.
Also dont forget THE THIRD MAN. dirty harry says on 24/Aug/09
Wayne was 6'3" tall bare foot. Even the Great Robert Mitchum stated this. He should know he was a lanky rangy 6'1" himself. Mithum said: " 'He(Wayne) was 6'3",and with his 2" cow boy boots and Tall hat look 6'6"." ' so John Wayne would have stood 6ft 4in normal shoes. He always looked this height - his stature, was incredibly imposing. adam says on 24/Aug/09
Im amazed to see how small Clark looks next to Wayne. And I mean in broadness! I`ve always thought that Gable had broad shoulders. Seems bull! Or then Wayne had ENORMOUS shoulders. Or the angle. Wayne was quite broad across the shoulders but compare him to Victor McLaglen in THE QUITE MAN. He doesnt look that broad anymore!
Yes yes... I believe now that Wayne was close to 6-4.
HONDO? I think it was quite boring a film. The score is great though. Gonzalo says on 24/Aug/09
Great pic, Frank2! The only thing that surprises me is how short Ford looks next to Gable. I thought they would be around the same height. Wayne looks very tall but the angle favours him. Great pic. Frank2 says on 23/Aug/09
Adam, this is for you:
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Terrific score by Hugo Friedhofer. Pretty good film too. And was in 3-D when originally released. adam says on 23/Aug/09
Yes, my last and FINAL opinion about Wayne`s height is.... that he was six-feet-FOUR! 6-4. Yes!
Gonzalo! I love ya. Mike c, I apologize and I love ya! Patrick, I love ya! Frank, I respect ya. You can be rude but Im sure that you can be a nice fellow also. adam says on 23/Aug/09
Frank! Im drunk and I belive you! Arness was DEFINITELY 6-7. A huge man. And Wayne was 6-4 or very close to it! I have nothing against Wayne -or you!
Gonzalo, I love you! Rob, this is a great page!!!! Bless ya! Frank2 says on 23/Aug/09
Check this out:
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Left to right we see Thomas Mitchell who was about 5'8" with John Ford leaning on him (Ford was reportedly 6' peak), 6' Clark Gable and 5'11" Robert Montgomery. And guess who's on the end? Don't ever tell me the Duke wasn't 6'4"! Mark says on 22/Aug/09
The photo of Wayne with Marvin, Eastwood, Borgnine and others, is also in Eastwood's Life in PIctures book, but from a better, front on angle. However you slice it, Marvin, Eastwood Hudson and Wayne were big guys. Frank2 says on 22/Aug/09
Just look how Arness towered over Dennis Weaver who was a legit 6'2":
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Arness owns this guy:
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Arness sans makeup shown here in the alien costume worn in THE THING FROM ANOTHER WORLD:
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Arness seen here while RKO technicians test the smoking apparatus used when the creature gets electrocuted:
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All the scenes inside the polar research station were filmed in a converted ice house located in downtown LA. The same converted stage was used in the original LOST HORIZON. It allowed the breaths of actors to show up on film.
When I spoke with Arness he told me he hated the role since he felt extremely self-conscious. When in full makeup, he ate alone and wouldn't venture out even among the cast and crew except for when he was needed for a take.
Hawks wanted to shoot the film as the short sci-fi story WHO GOES THERE by John Wood Campbell, Jr. depicted the creature where the creature could become anyone or any living thing, but limited special effects of that time precluded it. So Hawks opted to make Arness a sort of 'Frankenstein' creature filmed in partial darkness. It worked. The film is far better than John Carpenter's remake which shows the creature as it was conceived by Campbell.
Arness in full makeup:
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The veins seen on Arness's temples would pulsate. This was accomplished by compressing a rubber bulb. But since Arness was never shown in bright lights except for the brief shot where they open the door to the greenhouse, no one ever noticed it. Arness told me a technician off camera squeezed and released the rubber bulb sending air to the veins. The hands with their giant thorns were rubber gloves worn by Arness. adam says on 22/Aug/09
No, it wasnt me. Rob can confirm that. Frank2 says on 22/Aug/09
Arness was 6'7" I know since I met him, asked him how tall he was. Plus Arness mentions his height in an interview.
I think 'Anonymous' is Adam thinking he's fooling people. adam says on 22/Aug/09
Anonymous, I believe that Arness was closer to 6-7. And I also believe now that the Duke was closer to 6-4. Anonymous says on 21/Aug/09
6'3 all day, James Arness who was only 6'6 towered over him. In 2.5 inch heel cowboy boots and a cowboy hat he was probably 6'7+ adam says on 21/Aug/09
The Duke was a great actor! He was a racist but so what? - So am I! Drink whisky and smoke dope. Hail! I love ya all. God bless you people. adam says on 20/Aug/09
With 5-11 Ricky Nelson
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No idea who that other guy is but Wayne does look very tall:
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I´d love to see the film. And also I saw some pics from the the film CONFLICT where Wayne looks clearly taller than Ward Bond.
So you think now that he was a full 6-4, Gonzalo? adam says on 20/Aug/09
Thanks, Gonzalo! Never knew that site before. I`ll take a good look at it. Gonzalo says on 20/Aug/09
Adam, just check Click Here
There are dozens of good pictures there.
Frank, Howard Hawks was a tall man, over 1`80. And one of the best directors ever. In the excellent book Hawks on Hawks by joseph McBride there are good pics of Mr. Hawks. I remember one in whcih he looked taller than Monty Clift and very similar to John Ireland. Fran, Ireland was around six feet, wasn´t he?
Hawks looking much taller than gorgeous Angie Dickinson
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Hawks in the premičre of Scarface. He looks tall
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Wayne towering over Robert Mitchum
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Wayne towering over Arthur Hunnicut, who Frank2 said he was 1`83.
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Calhoun with 5'10.5" Gilbert Roland:
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Howard Hawks was not exactly short:
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Howard Hawks with Norma Shearer and William Wyler:
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Wyler was about 5'5".
Hawks and Lauren Bacall:
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If I had to venture a guess, I'd say Hawks was at least 6'. More likely he was 6'1". Mark says on 19/Aug/09
Gonzalo...That pic of Wayne cutting the cake was a hoot! Man..those were the days of stars. Too bad it wasn't a front on shot, alot of height differences among heavy hitters would be settled. adam says on 19/Aug/09
And about Wayne`s filmography...
No doubt that in his latter years (from the mid 60s->) his films were more or less similar. His best films were done in the 50s. THE QUIET MAN is a great film! THE SEARCHERS is an undisputed masterpiece. And RIO BRAVO is awesome as well. Those are my favourite films from The Duke.
I just watched SAND OF IWO JIMA for the first time. I didnt really like the film that much. But he looked to be at least 6-3. adam says on 19/Aug/09
Good that you are not a complete Wayne buttkisser who just swallos everything that`s given. You are correct -THE GREEN BERETS is probably the worst film I`ve ever seen. And I`ve seen CALIGOLA.
From what I`ve read, Wayne did treat gay people badly. He didnt get along with Montgomery Clift who was known to be a real gentleman. And according to Frank, Wayne and Hudson didnt get along that well. Also I`ve read from the big page (four letters, you know it) that Wayne did fire some relatively unknown fellow after he found out that the guy was gay.
Those are just the things I`ve read! Not opinions, not BS. So everyone can make their own calculations about the fellow.
Wayne did look at least two inches taller than Lee Marvin and at least six inches taller than Dean Martin. Wayne was 6-4.
And Bruce Cabot was indeed at least 6-1. Frank, just an offtopic question that I asked before: Did you ever meet Curt Jurgens? Just wondered how tall was he.. Frank2 says on 19/Aug/09
According to Fox publicity, Rory Calhoun was 6'4". He does look very tall in the photo I posted of him next to Gilbert Roland who was near 5'11". Roland appears to be as tall as Robert Wagner in BENEATH THE 12 MILE REEF.
Gonzolo, Andy Devine was 6' tall. Look how Wayne dwarfs him.
By the way, last night I suffered through THE GREEN BERETS, surely the worst film Wayne made during the latter stages of his career. (what I do for this forum!!) Anyway, he was huge and no lifts. He wore combat boots in most scenes and I saw no signs of lifts. He towered over 6' David Janssen. 6'1" Aldo Ray. 6'1" Raymond St. Jacques. Made 6'1" Bruce Cabot look short. Wayne was taller than 6'3" Edward Faulkner who I've met.
And while I'm on this turkey, George Takei had a major role. Takei is as gay an an Ungaro spring frock! So much for the stupid unfounded rumor that Wayne made sure gays didn't work on his films. I'm not going to mention who was gay who worked on Wayne films behind the scenes. But I do know several were. adam says on 19/Aug/09
Gonzalo, where do you get so good pics??
You´re making a good point, Frank. Gonzalo says on 19/Aug/09
Well, Adam, the pics and the clip are really disappointing. The pic with Russell is very bad. Anyway, I don´t need it, Russell was taller than Wayne. I have no trouble admitting that. The Clip of Jim McLaine isn´t good either. It is impossible for me to say how much tall Arness is (if that first guy is Arness, cause it is hard for me to tell), the scene is so fast! And the other pic is also strange. We have no idea of who that other guy is and how tall he was. Anyway, that guy has ground advantage. Look at his waist
Not the best picture to judge but I think Wayne looks very similar to actor Rory Calhoun, listed 1`93 in several places. He sure looked that tall.
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He definitely looks tall in this one
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And in this one
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Another shot of Wayne cutting the cake with famous friends. Wayne is leaning towars the table with the cake
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Wayne towering over Robert Wagner, who was 1`80 according to Frank2 and this site
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Wayne and Sophia Loren
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Wayne looking very very tall
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Wayne towering over these people. No idea about their heights but Wayne looks very tall
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Wayne with Andy Devine. I think Devine was a six footer
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Lifts here?
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Wayne and Frances Dee. Dee was Joel McCrea´s wife
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Wayne dwarfing this guy :)
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Well, that was it. Frank2 says on 19/Aug/09
During filming of RIO BRAVO, Wayne wore loafers during scenes with Angie Dickenson so he wouldn't look like a giant next to her:
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Maybe if Adam stares hard enough and concentrates, he can see lifts in those loafers. Outlaw says on 18/Aug/09
Adam, you're right -- you'd never see lifts if he was wearing them in cowboy boots, but we've seen him in plenty of other movies and shot, both barefoot and in normal shoes (which most certainly don't appear to have lifts in them).
I think the rumor about him wearing lifts was just that -- a rumor. Why? Because one person started it and others who wanted to take credibility away from Wayne obviously said such things to get him thrown out of the spotlight and them in it.
Gonzalo is right -- in Donovan's Reef, Wayne still looks massive and you get a good look at his shoes often. He looks 2 inches taller than Marvin through out.
And regardless of the lifts rumor, we undeniably see a very tall man, barefoot, in The Shootist and with Desi Arnaz, yet towering both and Desi was known to wear lifts himself. Now he certainly couldn't be wearing invisible lifts, could he?
In Rio Bravo, he looks at least the same height as John Russell, and possibly even 0.5" taller. I just figured Russell was around 6'3.5" or 6'4". Even in Pale Rider with Clint Eastwood, he still looked 6'3," and he was certainly no young man in the movie.
Either way, you can ask him yourself once your in Heaven... Assuming he got there himself. Which I most certainly do hope he did.
Take care and may the Lord be with y'all. Frank2 says on 18/Aug/09
An example of what I'm talking about regarding using bogus info from a certain entertainment website:
"The evening before a shoot he was trying to get some sleep in a Las Vegas hotel. The suite directly below his was that of Frank Sinatra (never a good friend of Wayne), who was having a party. The noise kept Wayne awake, and each time he made a complaining phone call it quieted temporarily but each time eventually grew louder. Wayne at last appeared at Sinatra's door and told Frank to stop the noise. A Sinatra bodyguard of Wayne's size approached saying, "Nobody talks to Mr. Sinatra that way." Wayne looked at the man, turned as though to leave, then backhanded the bodyguard, who fell to the floor, where Wayne knocked him out by crashing a chair on top of him. The party noise stopped."
This story is utter crap. Totally made up. The truth was Sinatra and Wayne were on friendly terms. Wayne was good friends with Sammy Davis Jr. who was as just about everyone knows a member of Sinatra's clan called the Rat Pack (inherited from Bogart's days as its leader). When Wayne was ill with cancer and was dying, Frank Sinatra sent him a good well card along with a note encouraging him to get better.
Wayne and Sinatra:
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Click Here Frank2 says on 18/Aug/09
"adam says on 18/Aug/09 -
And I just really cant believe that all those fellows lied."
Besides the fact you can't accept that people do lie (very naive), you rather cavalierly say "all those fellows" yet the only two people who I've actually seen quoted are Mitchum and Hudson. FYI Capucine wasn't a fellow. She tried to act like one if you catch my drift. And I've never read any negative comments she made about Wayne. And if she did, they must be examined as being highly suspect. She was a manic depressive who ended her miserable life by leaping out a window at age of 59.
Now as for Hudson, why would he say on one hand nice things about Wayne and then personally attack him? Mitchum I can understand. He was a kidder. Plus a dope smoker and a lefty. Wayne was a conservative. Much of the criticism leveled against Wayne was because of his conservative politics as if it's a crime to be a conservative. The least tolerant people I've known have been those on the far left. God knows I knew many working in Hollywood. The same clowns who screamed Bush was stripping away their freedoms are now the very same people who want to hush anyone or group that disagrees with the current administration. Frigging hypocrites!
Now as for lifts being hidden inside cowboy boots....you must be kidding. Stallone wore custom cowboy boots with lifts inside. They're rather easy to spot. Burt Reynolds wore huge custom boots with lifts inside making it difficult for him to walk.
Here's a pair of cowboy boots that can boost someone by about four inches:
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Of course it helps if you're a woman. Otherwise someone might accuse you of being a gay caballero.
These would do a nice job of boosting. Just ask Elton John:
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Please explain how Wayne can be that much taller than 6'1" Henry Fonda:
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Are you insinuating Wayne wore lifts in the 1940s? adam says on 18/Aug/09
Psychopathic idiot. Ok. Having watched too many films there, grampa?
If you saw him and he was 6-4, then why did you claim that he was 6-3 three years ago. You didnt remember that you met him? Gonzalo stated that the very first comment you made about Wayne`s height was that he stood 6-3. Now you miraculously remembered that you met the guy and he was solidly 6-4.
And first I insult and then you just shoot it all back? Ok, nice.
I think people are getting pissed, bored or amused by this little war of nerves so let`s just stop right here. Just purely about height. I dont ask you about God or drinking habits anymore so I dont come off as a maniac.
Frank2, did you ever meet Curt Jurgens? How tall was he? Frank2 says on 18/Aug/09
Adam, you come off like some psychopathic idiot. You spout non sequiturs. Ask dumb, irrelevant questions such as why did so and so drink so much. You keep insisting Wayne wore lifts as if you were there on the set and saw it first hand. Well, I was on his sets and never saw lifts. I saw him in street shoes and no lifts. You read crap and then push it as if it was the holy grail of truth. Then you insult me and then act incredulous when I come back at you. That makes you come off as silly, irrelevant as well supercilious.
As for the shot with Wayne and Russell, are you kidding?
And that clip? My God! You are a fool. adam says on 18/Aug/09
So that`s an absurd question to you? ok.
Vegas and RisingForse are making great points: If he wore lifts in his boots, you wouldnt spot them. And I just really cant believe that all those fellows lied. Why would Rock lie about that? He said that he liked working with Wayne and then he said that quote. He mentioned lifts, small feet, corset and a toupee. The latter three things are correct. Why the hell would he lie about lifts? Why would he just badmouth him?
You seem to be a little of a dictator, Frank. If someone dont agree with you, you`ll curse that person to the deepest level of hell. A gentleman wouldnt do that?
And this page is full of reasonable people, by the way! I found most of the people here (especially in Wayne`s page) very mature and smart. Perharps I havent given as good a picture of myself as many others but you sir havent really done that either.
So if that little offtopic thing really worried you that much, I`ll drop it. So now we are friends again, yes?
And now some pics:
The Duke with 6-3 John Russell
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Truly 6-4 in this?
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From Frank`s favourite film BIG JIM MCCLAINE. In the film Wayne looks good four inches shorter than 6-7 James Arness + watch this clip:
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Notice how short his legs are in the fight scene.
I`ve got some more stuff coming! Good stuff. Frank2 says on 18/Aug/09
Outlaw, you actually think Adam going around on a height forum posting asinine non sequiturs such as "Do you believe in God?" is a reasonable question? Frank2 says on 18/Aug/09
Gonzolo, Wayne never, ever wore lifts. If saying he did is considered to be a point of view then I might as well say Wayne appeared as a Munchkin in THE WIZARD OD OZ! Frank2 says on 18/Aug/09
Accept people's point who view who post crap like Adam or ACG? If so, I take the Glenn comparison as a complement. Vegas says on 18/Aug/09
no offense frank2, i have no idea how tall rock or wayne were (i have stood beside waynes wax work in madame tussauds is huge at least 6'4), but everyone in westerns wore cowboy boots with big heels so you cannot say one guy is wearing lifts when they all were adam says on 18/Aug/09
Yeah, Frank`s thoughts are obviously very interesting but you are right, Gonzalo -the fellow is a rude narcist.
Yep, the Cooper pic isnt really that good. And I agree with you that Wayne definitely wore lifts from 60s till the end.
I`ve seen good pics where Wayne necceccarily doesnt give a 6-4 impression. I`ll put them here soon.
Mike C is a smart man. I hope he`ll return. And I hope that more people will join to this page. Everyone seems to agree that Wayne was 6-4 so there isnt naturally any conversation anymore. But I dont give up quite yet! Gonzalo says on 18/Aug/09
Well, Adam, that pic of Wayne next to Cooper is very old. It has been posted here a million times. We don´t see their feet. A submarine isn´t the best place to compare people heights. Someone posted a pic of Wayne and Cooper in which both men seem to be around the same height.
Wayne probably wore lifts in the sixties when he wasn´t as tall as in his heyday. That´s what Rock Hudson was probably talking about in the famous quote you mention all the time. But you have invented that Marvin said so and probably Flynn´s quote too. The question is if he wore lifts all his life and so far we haven´t seen an evidence of it. He was barefoot next to Desi Arnaz and he towered over him. The same thing with Ron Howard in the shootist. In Donovan´s reef he takes one shoe off and he still looks very tall.
Frank2 makes very interesting comments but he can´t accept other points of view. He is becoming Glenn´s twin brother. It is a pity because he is one of the most interesting guys of this great site.
Not everyone is a wise as Mike C adam says on 18/Aug/09
Outlaw, thank you for those words of wisdom. RisingForce says on 18/Aug/09
Frank, I believe that Wayne was 6'4" throughout his life, but just because he wore normal cowboy boots doesn't mean he couldn't have had lifts in there. For example, Mel Gibson wore normal looking black cowboy boots in the Lethal Weapon films, but yet he looked 5'11" in many scenes next to 6'3" Danny Glover. Now there's reason to suspect he had lifts in those boots because Gibson is not 5'11". Outlaw says on 18/Aug/09
Well... adam and Frank2, you've really done a number in this thread.
As usual, adam, your obsession with trying to find out that Wayne was shorter than claimed, wore lifts, etc. is and has been getting very old. You continue to change your mind, over & over again. From what you've gathered up and have written on here and what you've seen. Just stick to one height. It's not that hard. In all of Wayne's films, he looks equally tall -- towering over almost always everybody. RARELY did he not look his stated height, especially when compared to the actors he was working along side of, even Rock Hudson. In The Undefeated, there is a maximum of 1.5" between Wayne and Hudson.
And Frank2, you've just gotten offensive. After adam asking you a reasonable question: "do you believe in God?". You start doing something you haven't done in all the other posts I've seen you in... Start using God's name in vain and I think it's just to be spiteful and offensive. Sheesh... There's no need for that. You're an older man, but you still are acting like an adolescent.
There's really no reason to argue. Everyone will have their opinion, no matter. Just post any worth while pictures and discuss it that way.
Anywho... Take care and may the Lord be with y'all. And stop the madness. adam says on 18/Aug/09
You are one rude sob. But I love ya! adam says on 18/Aug/09
That`s it!!! You`ve got some brain, I`ll say that... Alright, man. Let`s be friends again.
Wayne was at least 6-3 in his prime. That is my current definitive opinion. Alright? adam says on 18/Aug/09
It worked! Thanks, Rob. Im starting to put some pics here. Hope I find the one where Wayne looks 2-3 inches shorter than Sterl Hayden. Frank2 says on 18/Aug/09
Check out the lifts on Coop!:
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Gee. Could those be lifts on Rock?
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Rock doesn't look any taller than Heston:
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Maybe Rock stood on a box.
Looks like Rory Calhoun wore lifts:
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I wonder if he believed in God.
The Easter Bunny wears lifts!
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I wonder if he believes in God.
Adam has stated that Wayne was 6'2" and wore four inch lifts. Then he later said he was probably 6'4" but shrunk by an inch. Now he says he was at least 6'3" in his prime and shrunk later on.
By the way, I found a picture of Adam:
Click Here adam says on 17/Aug/09
Alright. Well I might be a fool but hopefully not an idiot who cant understand simple piece of joke! You dont seem to be a real quick biter, sir...
Arent we touchy here?
I`ve seen your posts insulting these celebs, other forum users and everything possible. You give insults but you cant take any. An obvious narcist.
Wayne was probably at least 6-3 in his prime and shrunk later on.
Easter Bunny, Frank! A strange fellow indeed. Frank2 says on 17/Aug/09
Adam, you've said a lot of asinine stuff on this forum which anyone can find. One minute you say Wayne was 6'2" then the next you admit he was 6'4". You said he kept gay people off his films. You've questioned his politics repeatedly.
Watch THE UNDEFEATED. Wayne and Hudson are the same height in the film. By the way, this was the first time I sat through this turkey in its entirety.
As for the Easter Bunny, Adam, you're not exactly adept at kidding. You sound so off the wall most of the time that perhaps I should treat much of what you say as a goof.
Anyway, that's it for this stupid thread. Say what you like. I've got better things to occupy my time than to argue with a fool. adam says on 17/Aug/09
And Frank is a mercurial man. Check these out:
Christopher Walken.
Frank2 says on 3/Apr/06
Jack was closer to 6'1" and was about an inch shorter than Sean Connery in Dr. No.
By the way, Chris Walken is well-over 6'. I'd say at least 6'1". At least that's how tall he looked when I saw him. He was a good two inches taller than me. And he's a very skinny 6'1". I doubt he weighs more than 160 lbs. soaking wet.
And then:
Frank2 says on 24/Jun/06
Chris is exactly 6' tall. He's one of the best actors in the business.
Rock Hudson.
(I found THIS extremelly interesting!)
Frank2 says on 12/Aug/06
I met both over the years and Hudson was enormous, probably at least 6'5" possibly 6'6". He was at least two inches taller than John Wayne. Only Clint Walker was a little taller.
Then on the other occasion he stated that Rock was an even 6-4.
My point is that Frank`s estimates and opinions are like weather -they change always when you least expect it. I think that Frank is a nice man, probably... but he has some strange and rude manners!
And I agree with you on one thing: Rock Hudson was at least two inches taller than Wayne! And Hudson was a horrible actor, Wayne was clearly better. adam says on 17/Aug/09
HAH!
Frank2 says on 17/Aug/09
adam says on 17/Aug/09 -
"And there is no such thing as Easter Bunny! What nonsense."
"That was a joke, son. Now I know you're a kid. And not a very good kidder either."
I GOT YOU! That was humour, Frank! Im sure an average fellow would have got that black piece of humour!!!! But you didnt!!! Im very surprised. Indeed! Geez...
And badmouthing Wayne? Badmouthing. If Im saying that he was shorter than 6-4, is that badmouthing? Like I`ve stated on many occasions: I love some of his films and he was probably a nice man.
And Marvin said that Wayne wore lifts. That isnt badmouthing!!
And what else....
"You think kidding around is somehow cool. Maybe you're just a kid. That might explain it. If you're an adult an act this way, I feel sorry for you."
Well alright, I admit that I do enjoy some goofing once in a while. So pranks and jokes are cool to me! Living in a world without laughs and pranks, that would be your paradise?
My age? Im quite young fellow yet I feel like a 20-year old! The problem is, there`s never one when I need `em!
Im very very surprised about that Bunny thing, Frank! Frank2 says on 17/Aug/09
adam says on 17/Aug/09 -
And there is no such thing as Easter Bunny! What nonsense."
That was a joke, son. Now I know you're a kid. And not a very good kidder either.
Oh, you admit we never see Wayne's lifts in any of his films. That's true. But we do see lifts on many famous movie stars. Watching his films, I clearly see lifts on Bogart. I see lifts on Alan Ladd. I see gigantic lifts on Brian Donlevy in BEAU GESTE. That's the only film where an actor was shown wearing socks with huge lifts inside them! Lifts are clearly seen with such actors as George Raft, Kirk Douglas, Dean Martin and Desi Arnez. But somehow Wayne's can never be seen. Now why is that? We see lifts on some of the newer crop of stars such as Stallone. But still none on the Duke.
Gonzalo is correct when he says this thread has become poor. Frank2 says on 17/Aug/09
"adam says on 17/Aug/09 -
For crying out loud: Hudson, Mitchum, Capucine, Flynn, Marvin"
That's five people out of dozens of actors who worked with Wayne. Plus, I never read either Errol Flynn nor Lee Marvin ever badmouth John Wayne. There's a great interview with Marvin available on youtube where he mentions working with Wayne. He never badmouths him. Just the contrary. He had a great time working with him.
Hudson said a lot of things. He accused both Julie Andrews and her husband Blake Edwards of being closet homos. He claimed Lee Majors slept with him to get in the biz. I could could go on and on.
And as I've repeatedly stated, Robert Mitchum was a kidder. I heard Mitchum say stuff that I knew was false, but he did it with a twinkle in his eye. Plus he smoked enough dope during his life to provide almost everyone in LA with a joint!
Capucine was a very unhappy woman. She ultimately committed suicide by leaping out of her apartment building.
If I was an attorney in a court of law and you came in with this hogwash as evidence I'd rip it to shreds.
Adam, you read crap on that website we're not allowed to mention here where anyone registered can post just about anything. In their trivia section, I've read a lot of false stories and made up crap. So accepting that as a reliable source is a joke.
You also seem to forget that I met Wayne. I saw how tall he was.
Plus you go around all over this website badmouthing him. That tells me you have an agenda.
You think kidding around is somehow cool. Maybe you're just a kid. That might explain it. If you're an adult an act this way, I feel sorry for you. Frank2 says on 17/Aug/09
I said Hudson treated people he worked with well, especially the crew. He acted like a gentleman compared to the twits we have today. But he was not a happy guy. I got that from many who knew him. And he made quite a few career blunders. Plus he wasn't exactly a great actor. You're the one who posted Hudson wasn't bright.
Adam, you're on a vendetta against Wayne. That's quite obvious. And it's all based on your perception of the man's politics and that means diddly squat when it come to how tall he was.
It's a fact Wayne wore lifts? Your proof? You sound like an insufferable childish fool. And it means nothing he wore a toupee. So did dozens of famous people. And small feet? Are you insane? Wayne's boots are on display at the Western Heritage Museum and they're not small. And what the hell does wearing a corset have to do with a man's height?
You keep asking why would anyone lie? Are you really that that goddamn naive?
You make outrageous comments as though they're facts written in stone.
And Gonzalo, Wayne was shorter than Jim Arness because Arness was 6'7"! adam says on 17/Aug/09
And the thing about Seagal and Wayne... I take it back!
Im glad mike c is still with us. Bless you, sir. Gonzalo says on 17/Aug/09
The debate about John Wayne´s height has become very poor. We see no pics, no new interesting information. And Adam response is always the same: Wayne wore lifts. But we don´t see any evidence, just the comments of some people, not very reliable in many cases. Adam, you talk about pictures of Wayne with Sterling Hayden or Christopher Lee but you never post them, nor you say where you saw the pics, in which book or magazine. You show no proofs. The debate is becoming very very boring. And you mix it with your personal dislike for Wayne: his political views, you criticize Wayne´s acting ability (you have even compare him with Steven Seagal, my God!). And finally you made up that stupid story about Mike C´s death. That was a very big mistake. And absurd.
Adam, it might be interesting for you to know that Frank2 said that John Wayne was 6`3 when he started posting in this page, back in 2006 or late 2005. I distinctly remember how he said that Wayne was a lot shorter than James Arness in Big Jim McLain.
Take care, both Frank and Adam adam says on 17/Aug/09
Funny. In other page you said that "Hudson was a gentleman, a nice man and a BRIGHT man". Now you say the complete opposite.
And I didnt say anything about "Being fat means that you dont have talent" like you understood. All Im saying is that if you weigh around 300lbs, you have to have a big chest! Logic. Wayne did not have a v-physique like say Errol Flynn had.
In THE UNDEFEATED Wayne wore lifts. That is a fact. "I cant see lifts". Of course you cant, why would they show them? They wanted to give the illusion that Wayne was the tallest fellow which (in that picture) he wasnt.
Gonzalo, I know the quote. You know that other quote as well where Hudson says that Wayne had small feet, wore lifts, a corset and a toupee. One more time: WHY IN THE HELL WOULD HE LIE?
Wayne DID wear a toupee. AND a corset. And had small feet. So mr. Hudson just threw in the lifts stuff just for fun? No. Come on now, Frank. You are the biggest Wayne fan in the world, I can see that. He was your hero. You would defend him till the end. That`s sweet. But...
But just like you tell people in Jacko Wacko`s page to "keep your emotions out of facts", you should try that yourself. Wayne wore lifts. Period.
And I dont have an agenda with the fellow.
For crying out loud: Hudson, Mitchum, Capucine, Flynn, Marvin.... They all claimed that Wayne wore lifts! These fellows were not related and didnt probably all like each other. That wasnt just some inside joke. They were telling the truth!!!!
And there is no such thing as Easter Bunny! What nonsense. Gonzalo says on 17/Aug/09
Once again I will post this quote of Rock Hudson about John Wayne:
"John Wayne was then the Hollywood legend, and I was on screen with him. The guy is an angel. He saved my life back then when no other film maker wanted to know me."
Well, Wayne didn´t fire Hudson. He even hired him for that movie. And he knew Hudson was gay Frank2 says on 17/Aug/09
"adam says on 17/Aug/09-
Wayne doesnt look that tall"
Oh really? Still believe in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy?
Adam, you obviously have an agenda with Wayne and it's clouding your judgment. You never met him. You never worked with him yet you sound like a goddamn authority and quite frankly it's starting to wear thin, sound old and tired and is making you come off as a complete and utter fool. Frank2 says on 17/Aug/09
A fact? Prove it! I mean shows us his lifts. If you're just going by what a handful of people said, it's bunk. They're weren't many. You say stuff that simply cannot be backed up. Many means dozens, not a few.
I watched that film closely and Wayne wore regular cowboy boots. He and Hudson were roughly the same height. A clue as to how tall both men were can be seen when a justifiably tall actor like Ben Johnson (6'1") stood next to them and looked short. Ditto that for 6'1" Bruce Cabot.
Lifts my ass! This is just about the stupidest bunch of hogwash imaginable. Look. I saw the Duke in the flesh several times. On one occasion he wore regular loafers and he was huge! He towered over me. Tell me Adam, you ever see the man in person? Did you see lifts?
Stop believing what a handful of crackpot celebs say. Mitchum said a lot of stuff that was utter crap. He liked to say ridiculous things so he'd put people on. He was a jokester. I know since I met him and he loved to pull pranks. He also smoked a ton of dope and could easily drink most guys under the table including Wayne.
Hudson said lots of stuff that was false. Like you said. He wasn't that bright. He wanted to publish in his autobiography the names of all the male actors he slept with! His agent talked him out of it. Hudson was a bitter man. Not a happy camper. And after he contracted AIDS, he didn't tell people he was sleeping with nor did he let the women he was kissing in films know he was seriously ill.
Yes, Wayne wore a rug. But so did Gary Cooper. James Stewart. Henry Fonda. Humphrey Bogart. George Raft. José Ferrer. Fred Astaire. Bing Crosby. Frank Sinatra. Brian Ahern. Ray Milland. Van Heflin. Brian Donlevy. Preston Foster. Stephen McNally. Alec Guinness. Peter Cushing. Christopher Lee. Sean Connery. Tony Curtis. George Burns. William Shatner. Charleton Heston. Burt Reynolds. Jack Klugman. Tony Randall. Pernell Roberts. Lorn Green. Torin Thatcher. Marlon Brando. Charles Grodin. Ted Danson. John Travolta. Samuel L. Jackson. And from what I gather, Ben Affleck.
I could go on and on. So lacking hair detracted from their ability to perform?
And Orson Welles outweighed John Wayne by at least 100 lbs. Are you implying being fat automatically zeros out talent? If so then Burl Ives was a lousy actor. Oh, he also wore a toupee.
Finally, I do agree with you that THE UNDEFEATED is a lousy movie. adam says on 17/Aug/09
If you watch Wayne`s early films and compare them to Hudson`s early films (so when the two were about the same age) you`ll notice that Rock is clearly a lot bigger, taller and more imposing-looking.
So Frank, as sad as it may sound: THE DUKE (oh..) wore lifts. Hudson looks legitimately very very tall yet Wayne doesnt look that tall. His body doesnt look that long yet when he stands he is just about the tallest man in the film.
And Wayne supposedly was known to fire people from the set if he knew that there were gay people. A good man wouldnt do those things. adam says on 17/Aug/09
Except that that wasnt the case. Wayne did wear lifts for a fact. Rock was one of the many people who stated that. Wayne also wore a corset and a hair piece. And even with his lifts, Rock is still about an inch taller.
Sure Wayne was bigger since he was also quite fat at the time. If you weighed near 300lbs, sure some of it would come to your upper body also. Rock was probably just about 220lbs while Wayne was easily over 60lbs more.
And a horrible film! Frank2 says on 16/Aug/09
I'm watching THE UNDEFEATED and I see Wayne about the same height at Rock Hudson. And I don't see any signs of lifts on the Duke. Wayne's also bigger through the shoulders. Hudson was not small in that regard which makes me wonder just how large Wayne's chest was. Anonymous says on 15/Aug/09
I think Wayne was down to 6'3" in his later years.
With Henry and Peter Fonda
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Drink whiskey, my friends! THE DUKE made great films. And he loved to drink. He was a heavy drinker, Frank. Tell me, my boy, how much did he drink? Tell me anything about drinking! Gonzalo says on 14/Aug/09
In The flying leackerness it is hard to say who looks taller. Sometimes Wayne looks taller and sometimes Ryan has the edge. In shots on even ground Wayne looks slightly taller. And there is a scene towards the end of the movie, when Ryan and Wayne meet at the headquarters in order to prepare the last mission in which Wayne seems to have 4-5 cms on Ryan. Another scene for debate. Height is a mystery.
Gary Cooper was two inches taller than Ralph Bellamy in The wedding night. adam says on 13/Aug/09
In a rare Wayne film called THE FOUR HORSEMEN the dodger does look taller than Lon Chaney Jr. The difference is about two inches. But in THE WOLFMAN Chaney was about the same height as 6-1 Ralph Bellamy. hmmmm....
I havent seen THE FLYING LEATHERNECKS. Are Wayne and Ryan the same height? adam says on 13/Aug/09
This Frank guy can be a real pain in the backside sometimes. I wonder if HE is the real jokester here! Patrick says on 12/Aug/09
MANY HAPPY RETURNS MIKE C!
adam, please, be careful.
John Wayne is dead and it's well enough to me! That said, the more I watch his movies, the less I doubt about his legit 6'4 height! Frank2 says on 11/Aug/09
Or did you mean John Hughes the director who recently died? I met him back when he did HOME ALONE. Seemed like a nice guy. He sort of retired early and became a sort of recluse. Kind of sad. adam says on 11/Aug/09
Yes, Frank. I meant John "THE BREAKFAST CLUB" Hughes. adam says on 11/Aug/09
Mike, I apologize for this if the matter has caused you trouble. Your friends and daughters visit this page? I didnt know that. Well, I feel sorry for them too. Forgive me, mike c.
And please come back to change the quality of this very page! Me, Patrick and Gonzalo have been waiting for you! The four horsemen together again! I`d love that. Ahleks says on 11/Aug/09
He was slightly taller than James Stewart. 6-4 seems fair. Frank2 says on 11/Aug/09
"adam says on 7/Aug/09
Hughes is gone, Frank. R.I.P that guy. Did you know him?"
I didn't, but my father did. Plus I once saw Howard Hughes back when I was a kid. I was with my father in his Cadillac when at a stop sign this ratty old Chevrolet pulled up. The man driving looked like some skid row bum. He had several days growth of beard, wore an old hat and looked like he hadn't taken a bath in a while. He looked over at my dad and yelled out in a high pitched voice inquiring how my father was doing. My dad responded with something like ,"Good, thanks. How are you doing Howard?" After that brief exchange, the man in the old car made a right turn onto Romain Street in Hollywood. My father then told me that was the richest man in the US. I though he was pulling my leg, but he wasn't. mike c says on 11/Aug/09
I stay away from the internet for a while and I'm presummed dead. Adam, I have no idea what possessed you to write that nonsense. You don't know me nor do you have my e-mail address unless Ed. Rob gave it to you...this I know would never occur. I think it was your idea of a joke and frankly, I think you're missing a couple of cards in your deck. You've upset my friends and my daughters and I'm really pissed. You need to grow up.
Ed. Rob: This is one of the reasons I stopped contributing to the Wayne site. It's become a forum for nonsense and not true attempt at a reasonable, intelligent debate. mike c Carlos says on 10/Aug/09
The duke towered over way too many actors right up until his last film 'The Shootest' to be anything less than what he truly was 6ft 4ins! Carlos Carlos says on 10/Aug/09
The duke towered over way too many actors right up until his last film 'The Shootest' to be anything less than what he truly was 6ft 4ins! Carlos adam says on 10/Aug/09
Sad but true, Im afraid.
Frank, go to Orson`s page. Patrick says on 10/Aug/09
What is this? You make me mad! Mike C would have passed away? He was a friend and...adam, please, where did you get that up ?
Ed.Rob can you say anything about that?
Gonzalo, I write to you right away!
[Editor Rob: I don't know, his last comment was in June I think.] Gonzalo says on 10/Aug/09
What do you say, Adam? Mike C has passed away? adam says on 8/Aug/09
It is so sad to hear that mike c has passed away. No, of course I didnt know him but he seemed to be a good man. R.I.P Patrick says on 7/Aug/09
Gonzalo is not only a real gentleman but also one of the most intelligent and relevant person i ever met! I agree with him at 100%!
I invite everybody to refer to his 5th august comment! perfect! adam says on 7/Aug/09
Hughes is gone, Frank. R.I.P that guy. Did you know him? Frank2 says on 6/Aug/09
I never expect to be curod. Patrick says on 6/Aug/09
I 100% agree with you Doug! However talented can be some of the today's actors, when i se someone as J. Depp pretending embody such a touch guy as J. Dillinger, or even the good C. Bale playing an E. Ness-like role, i don't buy it! Try to imagine Humphrey Bogart int the role... Doug says on 6/Aug/09
Agree totally Gonzalo, sorry if I called you a moron at one time anyway... They certainly don't make em like they used to. I think it is because Hollywood is no longer obsessed with the towering macho stereotype. Today it is girly men who seem to get all of the female attention. adam says on 6/Aug/09
Old age is the only disease you dont expect to be curod from, Frank. Remember that. Frank2 says on 5/Aug/09
Sydow is never seen next to Wayne in TGSET. Let's bury that rumor right now!
The photo taken at Paramount is quite interesting. One thing I noticed and I can confirm this since I met both men is that Cornel Wilde who was 6'1" peak, shrunk to 5'10" to 5'11". He's standing next to Don Ameche who's peak was 5'10" and never seemed to lose any height. When I met Wilde not long before he passed on, he seemed to be roughly my height or 5'11", perhaps slightly shorter, which surprised me since he was listed 1t being 6'2" and I know he was at least 6'1" from watching him in WOMEN'S WORLD (1954) where he wasn't that much shorter than 6'3" Fred MacMurray and was two inches taller than 5'11" Clifton Webb. He was even taller than Van Heflin who's listed as being 6', but was probably 5'11" peak. Frank2 says on 5/Aug/09
I no longer forgive you. adam says on 5/Aug/09
I`d love to see Clint Walker standing next to John Wayne. I`d bet a million dollars that there would be more than a two-inch difference. Doug says on 5/Aug/09
Anybody have any web proof Sydow was taller than Wayne? I'm afraid I don't have that DVD. Gonzalo says on 5/Aug/09
Check this pic to see how tall James Stewart, Gregory Peck or Charlton Heston look next to younger actors. They are the tallest.
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Going back to a subject discussed a while ago by my friend Patrick and other contributors to this site, actors from the classic Hollywood movies were much taller than today´s actors. That´s a fact. I watched the other day "Seven brides for seven borthers" and Russ Tamblyn looked like a midget. He was the shortest by far. I remember him in Twin peaks 30 years later and he looked average. I also remember he came to a spanish show and he looked around 1´78. In "Seven brides..." he was dwarfed by Howard Keel, listed here 1´93, who by the way was as tall as John Wayne in The band wagon.
Also think about Michael Caine, who looks quite tall in my opinion nowadays and he looked short in that pic next to Wayne, James Stewart, Rock Hudson, etc. Sean Connery could also be a good example. I started to think about him as a very tall man in the 80s. You can also watch the Last Tycoon in which Robert de Niro is surrounded by classic hollywood actors who are all taller than him. Dana Andrews who looked at the time as average as De Niro today was two inches taller than him and he was in his sixties.
By the way, Jeff Chandler looked as tall as James Stewart in Broken arrow. adam says on 4/Aug/09
Well if there is a rude fellow here, it`s Frank. He tells plenty of stories about old actors (which is of course alright!) but then when I say something which isnt completely related to height he absolutely snaps!
Max Von Sydow was definitely 6-4. Gonzalo says on 4/Aug/09
I respect Adam. I am not saying that I agree with him but he is not a dumb guy. The only weird thing about him is he has changed his mind several times since he started posting in this page.
Funny, Doug calls me rude when he called me moron once. I just ask politely to stop talking about an actor who has his own page in this site and who has never been close to Wayne in his life to use him as an stimate.
I don´t remember very well but I agree with Adam that Von Sydow looked taller than Wayne in The greatest story ever told. I could ver probably be mistaken. Carlos says on 3/Aug/09
I agree the Duke was no less than 6'4 Dylan says on 3/Aug/09
He was 6'4 Doug says on 3/Aug/09
Agreed Lennon. I've seen both Wayne and Eastwood barefoot either in film or photos and both looked minimum 6'3" barefoot. At peak maybe both men were the full 6'4". Frank2 says on 2/Aug/09
I have a copy of THE SUN ALSO RISES and Power was not shorter by three inches. At most there's no more than a two inch difference. In that same film, Power was two inches taller than Robert Evans who was 5'9". Power and Eddie Albert were the same height. Albert who was a family friend who I saw lots of times was my height or 5'11". His son was slightly over 6'. In the film MADISON AVENUE (1962), Albert is obviously taller than 5'10" Dana Andrews. And on the TV series SWITCH, Albert and Robert Wagner were the same height:
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Wayne was 6'3 minimum. Probably close to 6'4 at peak. But not less than 6'3. adam says on 2/Aug/09
Wayne stood 6-4. May the Lord be with you all. adam says on 1/Aug/09
Power didnt, Flynn lost. In SUN ALSO RISES Power is three inches shorter than Flynn who was 6-1 at best at the time. Frank2 says on 1/Aug/09
Adam, give it up. It's getting old real fast.
By the way, Power was a solid 5'11". I got that from several old time Fox employees who were still working there when I started working there back in 1982. Power was no more than an inch shorter than 6' Henry Daniel in WITNESS FOR THE PROSECUTION and was always photographed as being taller by an inch when standing next to Don Ameche and Dana Andrews, both 5'10". I met Ameche in the 1970s and he was definitely 5'10". And he didn't lose height with age. Carlos says on 1/Aug/09
John Wayne aka the Duke was 6ft 41/2 ins end of story, way too much visual and photographic and documentary evidence to back this up! He was a big guy! Thankyou for your time with respect Carl Outlaw says on 31/Jul/09
adam, you've got a problem. A big one. You're now claiming Rock Hudson was two inches taller than John Wayne WHEN he was wearing 4 inch lifts in 2 inch cowboy boots? Let's see. That'd put Wayne at 6'8" in The Undefeated against 6'10" Hudson with his 2 inch cowboy boots on. So Hudson was 6'8" barefoot? Darn... He grew from when I last saw him. If Wayne was only 6'2," Dean Martin was 5'8," Robert Mitchum was 5'11," James Stewart 6'1.5," Ward Bond 5'11.5," Henry Fonda 5'11.5," George Kennedy 6'2ish," etc. Shall I go on? That'd also put Ron Howard around 5'7.5"-5'8" in work boots and James Arness at 6'5". And even your Rock Hudson at 6'3" or 6'4". Everyone that starred with Wayne would be 2 inches shorter than claimed, then.
Take care and may the Lord be with ya. Tony G. says on 30/Jul/09
Adam: Four-inch lifts? Hopefully, you are not being serious.
You do realize that you have put John Wayne's height in the last few months at 6'2", 6'3" and 6'4"? Talk about indecisive! I, on the other hand, agree with and accept 6'4". Just looking at photos of him (barefoot) standing next to Ron Howard and Desi Arnaz shows the 6'2" claim to be ridiculous. Brunobrowne says on 30/Jul/09
We are fed up listening to you Adam, go grind your axe somewhere else. adam says on 30/Jul/09
Wayne was as much 6-4 as Ty Power was six feet. In reality they were 6-2 and 5-10 respectively.
Aged and destroyed Flynn had three inches on Power and Hudson was still two inches taller than Wayne even when the Duke had his usual four-inch lifts. Doug says on 28/Jul/09
Yes the Americans were known for being taller but that is only because the average height in some of the European countries was particularly low. You'd have a hard time trying to convince anybody that average height has actually decreased in modernised developed world countries anyway where nutrition and health services are readily available. Average height is increasingly gradually by the generation, I've lost count how many times I've sene the average height several inches taller for the 18-30 age group than the older generations. This is the same anywhere. I agree that American film stars were on average much taller than today on average and indeed few actors seemed under 6'. This as I said was because the trend was generally taller, virile and confident leading men in films. This general trend changed in the 1970s exactly as you said. But I think you are confusing film stars (who were selected for being tall, handsome, virile to be put on the screen as heroes) above average or shorter height men as there was an element of fantasy to cinema that would make average people want to aspire to or be like them. I am certain the average height was not over 6' in the United States in the 1930s, now has it ever been. Film stars, especially in those days were always selected above average people and I think you;d find average height was actually shorter in 1900 than it is today, seriously. adam says on 28/Jul/09
Post it, Frank. Frank2 says on 28/Jul/09
Post it. I kept hearing stuff from you, but no proof.
I also saw a publicity photo taken at Universal in the 1950s that showed Rock Hudson and Jeff Chandler looking to be the same height. adam says on 28/Jul/09
In a shot from the 50s (dont know the exact year) there is a group of people including Wayne and Jeff Chandler. Chandler definitely looks taller than the Duke! Chandler was 6-4. Patrick says on 28/Jul/09
Guys, what i claimed here is a very well known fact; Americans were the tallest men for decades but not nowadays. Caucasians, "WASP" still are very tall as do most of African Americans but there were a lot of tall men in the 30ies and 40ies in America, which was definitely not the case in France for instance. Admittedly, i don't come back until the 19th century as you do. Yet, even at the time, many men were above 5'11, starting with the Fathers of the Nation. In France, we have to refer to some Aristocrats to find tall men. I repeat, everybody can check that out. Take the average height of old stars: most of them were minimum 6' and many above 6'1. Fashion changed in the 70ies with Al Pacino, Dustin Hoffmann and even Robert de Niro. Short actors were before that Alan Ladd, E.G. Robinson, James Cagney not mention Mickey Rooney. Bogey was quite short in that cinema world at about 5'8. He wore not lifts but real elevators, only when acting. Richard Widmark was known as the shortest big star at 5'10 or so! Doug says on 28/Jul/09
That's it, the average height for a male soldier in the Boer War was 165 or 166cm , 5'5" or 5'5.5". Today the average is 5'8"-5'9" barefoot for a soldier in the British army anyway. I know it seems like a lot of Hollywood stars in those days were over 6' but there is a good reason for that and it was certainly not an accurate reflection of the average of non movie stars. If you;ve ever seen Wayne walk through crowds in public he towered above virtually every bloke. In those days even 6' was considered tall to average citizens. In realtion to average height I'd say Wayne was the way a 6'6" guy seems to all of us today, larger than life. As for Rock Hudson, Clint Walker and James Arness, well those guys were just enormous for their generation and any other later generation!! Brian says on 27/Jul/09
Yeah, Patrick, humans have been gradually getting taller from generation to generation. 150 years ago, the average American man was 5'6" (I believe), and today the average is 5'9"-5'10". Doug is probably close with his 5'7" estimation for the average of Wayne's generation.
I remember I had a teacher a few years ago who was convinced that every man from the Middle Ages was like 6'10" and that everyone is a midget nowadays because they eat processed food instead of natural food, and the class argued with him for a good 10 minutes. Look, humans have been getting taller these past couple centuries! Doug says on 27/Jul/09
Rubbish, normal Americans born in 1900 were certainly not taller than today in comparison!!! The generations have been getting taller. Film stars in those days were on average much taller than today, not normal folks!!!! Same in the UK and France and everywhere in Europe. The average height for a British soldier in 1890 was 5'5". Film stars between the 1930s and 1970s in general were much taller than they are today, that was the period when the industry was impressed by taller, virile men, it was the same in the UK too with guys like Sean Connery. Patrick says on 27/Jul/09
Doug, Americans were quite taller in those old days than today in comparison.
5'7 is just ridiculous as average height! Adam is right about Oliver Hardy I yet always saw (when younger) as above 6'.
Thanks Frank2 for all these precious information and pictures! I agree with you at 100%!
I am as always, watching my favorite Wayne’s movies and frankly, he towers over anybody but James Arness in Hondo who, on a uneven ground – what the Duke seems completely indifferent about, he looks about two inches tops taller.
Apart from guys as Clint Walker or Sterling Hayden who can claim towering over co-stars as “He” did? Men as John Agar always look “normal” and never as tall as they legitimately could pretend to be. Frank2 says on 25/Jul/09
Check out the huge lifts on actor Jack Hawkins:
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I never saw Wayne wearing such mosnter lifts.
Hawkins was about 5'11" and must have felt he looked way to short next to 6'3" Heston so he had special lifts made. They must have boosted him by at least three inches. Even then, he still appears about two inches shorter than Heston in Ben-Hur. Frank2 says on 24/Jul/09
I thought Hardy was taller than Wayne. Heck, 5'8" Stan Laurel was taller than the Duke.
Seriously, this is more how Oliver Hardy looked next to Wayne:
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Wayne towering over 6'1" John Agar:
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Adam, LOL you're obsessed with imposing classic Hollywood actors LOL. I agree, they certianly don't make em like they used to!! The cool thing about these 6'2" + well built actors is that in those days they towered above others as average height for their generation was only about 5'7". adam says on 24/Jul/09
Wayne had two inches on Oliver Hardy in FIGHTING KENTUCKIAN. Hardy was an even six-footer. adam says on 24/Jul/09
Frank, what kind of a man and actor Errol Flynn was?
Wayne was described as 6-4 and 280lbs in an article from the 60s. adam says on 24/Jul/09
Frank, THE WOLFAN is one of my favourite films. adam says on 24/Jul/09
Yes, I did now, my boy. Frank2 says on 23/Jul/09
Adam, did you read my earlier post where I described how Cheney appeared to be an inch shorter than 6'3" Gary Cooper? adam says on 23/Jul/09
And Cheney was a big man. At least 6-2, right? And he was also built like a barrel. He was a bit like John Wayne. Frank2 says on 23/Jul/09
Cheney did have a serious drinking problem which helped to destroy his career. Why he drank, I have no idea. He must not have been a very happy person.
Cheney was a very talented actor. He could emote pathos with the best of them. His portrayal of Larry Talbot in THE WOLFAN was one of his best. But he'd show up in a small part like in HIGH NOON and just about steal the scenes away from the leads as was the case in that film. adam says on 23/Jul/09
Frank, so tell me a bit about Cheney. What kind of a man was he like? I heard he was an alcoholic and a depreccant. He looked very imposing in the 40s. What is your opinion of him as an actor? The reason why he didnt get more good parts?
Cheney was a great actor in my opinion. Doug says on 23/Jul/09
I agree with Pete, Wayne never had good posture unlike well known lift wearers like Pitt and Stallone. Doug says on 23/Jul/09
But you see what I mean about lifts Frank. Most people are unaware of them. Check out the Brad Pitt page and the recent links posted of Pitt sitting at a table. His shoes looks like 3-4 inch lift shoes the slope is HUGE and it looks like his feet are virtually where the ankles are. He cons people into thinking he is a legit 5'11 and around 6 foot and doesn't wear lifts. When you see him his shoes are covered with trousers and he looks legit that tall. Frank2 says on 22/Jul/09
Speaking of Cheney, a photo published in the book THE HEART OF HOLLYWOOD on pages 80 and 81 show a group shot taken at a benefit for Cecil B. DeMILLE held by the Screen Producer's Guild probably in the early 1950s. Standing in the back row is Lon Chaney Jr. right next to Gary Cooper. Chaney appears to be about an inch to an inch and a half shorter than Cooper. On the other side of Cooper is 6'1" Ward Bond looking a good two inches shorter, 6'1" Anthony Quinn appearing to be the same height as Bond, Henry Wilcoxon who looks to be about 6'2" and finally 6'3" James Stewart. Frank2 says on 22/Jul/09
What do you want to know? adam says on 22/Jul/09
Frank, tell me something about Lon Chaney Jr. Thanks! peteyork says on 22/Jul/09
If anything Wayne was taller than he looked on screen, because he was always slouching which is why the lifts claims made by some are so funny. You spot the lift wears by posture, they always look like somethink shooved up their backs. Doug says on 22/Jul/09
Gregory Peck was about 190cm. He was in the 6'2.5"-6'3" range legit. Did anybody ever see Wayne and Peck standing together? Doug says on 22/Jul/09
If Marvin was definately a solid 6'2" thenWayne was easily 6'4" though it has to be said. Doug says on 22/Jul/09
Another thing that doesn't add up is that I don't think Wayne ever looked 6'6" in his boots. Cowboy boots are known to give 2 inches so you'd think a legit 6'4" guy would easily be 6'6" in them. Watch The Big Trail and see Wayne without boots walk through doors (which were often supposedly lower in Hollywood to give a taller impression). If you tried claiming Wayne was anything over 6'4" in his mocassins people it would seem WAY too high. To me he looked a solid 6'2" in The Big Trail. In cowboy boots to me Wayne appeared in the 6'4"-6'5" range max. If Frank saw him in dress shoes and said he was 6'4" I believe him I just know that sometimes people can look 1-1.5 inches taller than what they really are in person when wearing shoes that's all. Doug says on 22/Jul/09
Adam, if Wayne wasn't 6'4" he was still at least 190cm at peak. I once thought Wayne was 6'2"-6'2.5" but wore lifts to give a 6'4" impression such is Hollywood, what changed my mind that he was genuinely at least 6'3" was the barefoot pictures of him as an old man when he most certainly looked in the 6'3"-6'4" range, no lifts or tricks. I agree a lot of heights don't add up and a lot of men who had 2 inches on Wayne were really 6'5" barefoot etc pointing to a possibility he was only 6'3" barefoot. The rumors of lifts are more than suspicious agreed and Wayne certainly did not look over 6'3" in his early to late twenties either. In my own view I have Wayne down as 6'3" in his stocking like Eastwood but there is also a lot of evidence that Wayyne was the full 6'4", same as Eastwood at peak. Frank2 says on 22/Jul/09
Adam, the first photo is slightly tilted making Fonda appear taller. Watch the movie. In FORT APACHE, Wayne is obviously much taller than Fonda. He's also taller than Victor McLaglen who claimed to be 6'3". Wayne was taller than just about everyone in the cast. He was several inches taller than 6'1" Ward Bond.
And Outlaw is correct. You never see Wayne satnding next to Max von Sydow in THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD. By the time Wayne's character shows up, Sydow is up on the cross!
Give it up Adam. You're beating a dead horse. adam says on 22/Jul/09
And if Hayden truly was 6-6, then Chuck Connors was 6-8, Gregory Peck 6-5...
Wayne and Peck were about the same height. Connors was 6-6, Hayden 6-5. Hudson was at least 6-5. Clint Walker was at least 6-6 and James Arness at least 6-6. adam says on 22/Jul/09
And Wayne was the same height as George Sanders. Sanders was not over 6-3. Sanders was over two inches shorter than Rock Hudson and in SAMSON AND DELILAH the same height as Vic Mature. Mature certainly wore lifts but not that big.
Sydow was taller than Wayne.
Wayne usually had 2-3 inches on Ward Bond, Sterling Hayden had 5-6 inches on the fellow in JOHNNY GUITAR. Hayden was 6-5, since he was shorter than Chuck Connors and about ten inches taller than Peter Sellers.
In Wayne`s early films he doesnt seem to be above 6-3. There`s an excellent pic from a film called GIRL`S DEMAND EXCITEMENT where Wayne is standing in the middle of a crowd and doesnt really look toweringly tall.
And remember that A GREAT NUMBER of people stated that Wayne wore lifts. They all lied? No way. Come on now Frank... You are a number one Wayne fan and that`s completely alright. But please, dont try to make up some cheap explanation now. The man was not 6-4. adam says on 22/Jul/09
Frank2 says on 22/Jul/09
If Wayne was only 6'3" then explain how he was at least three inches taller than 6'1" Henry Fonda:
In the first pic he really doesnt look three inches taller. More like two. Outlaw says on 22/Jul/09
You never get to see John Wayne and Sydow standing near each other in The Greatest Story Ever Told. I own the movie, I know... Frank2 says on 22/Jul/09
If Wayne was only 6'3" then explain how he was at least three inches taller than 6'1" Henry Fonda:
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And don't tell me Wayne wore lifts in that film because I've watched it several times and Wayne wears obvious;y normal cowboy boots. And Fonda wears boots.
In this photo, both men wear army boots. No lifts:
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If Wayne wasn't 6'4", he'd never have looked that tall next to Fonda. Frank2 says on 22/Jul/09
According to Adam, everyone has an inch on Wayne.
Wayne was obviously two inches taller than 6'2" Stewart Granger in NORTH TO ALASKA. Wayne was two inches taller than 6'2" Lee Marvin in THE COMANCHEROS. I met both Marvin and Granger and they were definitely 6'2".
In RIO BRAVO, the Duke wore loafers during his scenes with Angie Dickinson so she wouldn't look like a dwarf:
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Did Max Von Sydow really have at least an inch on Wayne? Sydow was 6'4" or 6'4.5" at peak definately no taller. I've always seen Sydow personally as 192cm. If Wayne was shorter how could he also be 6'4"? Doug says on 21/Jul/09
Indeed he was Adam, Bill Duke looked in the 6'5"-6'6"range to me. He claims 6'4.5" but if that were all he was Seagal is not even 6'4" which I think highly impossible. adam says on 21/Jul/09
Max Von Sydow had at least an inch on Wayne in THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD. Sydow was 6-4. adam says on 21/Jul/09
Doug, possible. But Bill Duke could have been over 6-5! Remember: Duke was taller than Seagal! Doug says on 21/Jul/09
Yaphet Kotto was 6'4.5" at peak. adam says on 21/Jul/09
Frank, Wayne was at least 6-3!
And Bill Duke is at least 6-5 and Yaphet Kotto at the very least six foot four. Right? Frank2 says on 20/Jul/09
Adam, John Wayne was 4'11". He wore lifts with 17 inch heels. Happy?
Bill Duke is at least 6'4" as is Yaphet Kotto. I met both men and both times felt like I was standing in a hole. adam says on 20/Jul/09
Rock was 6-5, definitely. And Hudson was a lot better proportioned that Seagal. Doug says on 20/Jul/09
Gonzalo do you have to be so rude? We regularly discuss other actors height on pages in comparison. I wanted to know if Seagal who is listed at 6'4" looked taller than Wayne and Eastwood that's all. It seems that Seagal is nearer 6'5" as he claims. It is relevant Gonzalo because these men are all listed as being the same height. adam says on 20/Jul/09
Gonzalo says on 17/Jul/09
Please, forget about Seagal. This is page is about John Wayne, one of the biggest stars in the history of cinema. Seagal is a mediocre actor of mediocre films.
Take it easy there, buddy boy. I agree, Seagal isnt a great actor -but he is a big star. Just like Arnold. And just like Wayne.
Wayne was 2-3 inches shorter than Sterl Hayden, 3-4 inches shorter than Lee, shorter than John Russell who was 6-3... adam says on 20/Jul/09
And I just saw a 1974 pic where Wayne is besides some UK actors including Christopher Lee. And: Lee TOWERS over Wayne by at least three inches! Lee was 6-5 peak, nowadays probably 6-3 or so. adam says on 20/Jul/09
Russell was 6-3.
Hayden was not 6-6 but 6-5. Hayden was two inches shorter than Chuck Connors. In DR STRANGELOVE Hayden has 10 inches on Peter Sellers who was 5-7. And in THE KILLING Hayden is about two inches taller than 6-3 Timothy Carrey. Frank2 says on 20/Jul/09
I met John Russell and he looked to be a solid 6'4". I just watched RIO BRAVO. Wayne towers over almost the entire cast. He made 5'10" Dean Martin look like a shrimp. Dean came up to Wayne's nose. 5'11" Ricky Nelson was five inches shorter as was 5'11" Walter Brennan. Davey says on 19/Jul/09
Concerning that discussion of John Wayne's shoe size. From a picture of his footprints in Hollywood he was wearing cowboy boots. Due to the high heeled nature of those sort of boots then they'll look smaller than they are when compared to a shoe without a high heel or a foot laying flat. Bob H. says on 18/Jul/09
I had always thought a young John Wayne was 6'4". In Rio Bravo he'd be about 50. Rewatching it, he does not look as tall as 6'3" John Russell in that film. I can't see an inch in height loss that early in life. I think maybe the duke was a tad under her oft stated height. Even if Russell was taller than he claimed... say 6'4" himself... the Duke seemed to be a little shorter and he WAS still wearing big azz boots. adam says on 17/Jul/09
Frank2, how tall is Bill Duke? What about Yaphet Kotto? Gonzalo says on 17/Jul/09
Please, forget about Seagal. This is page is about John Wayne, one of the biggest stars in the history of cinema. Seagal is a mediocre actor of mediocre films Doug says on 16/Jul/09
Yeah Frank that was actually one of the instance he looked a little shorter than normal, usually he looks even taller than that. Agreed he must weigh at least 300 pounds nowadays, he looked much better before when he weighed about 240 in the 90s. Frank2 says on 15/Jul/09
I doubt Seagal is that quick these days now that he's packed on so much weight.
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Here's Seagal looking five inches taller than 6' Isaiah Washington:
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Well Seagal does claim 6'5". I must admit he often looks it. He looks taller than many other 6'4" listed guys. He is a huge man undoubtedly. Usually the best fighters are shorter and skinny but Seagal just goes to show that huge guys can be extremely quick too. |
