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Brad says on 5/Nov/09
MJ 5' 9", FS 5' 7". Bank it. You got homeless woman on your street? Jeeezus, I got guys named Murray wearing bling so loud they spell 1973 with their Bob Hope loud golf pants...sorta like Elliot Gould with Danny Ocean with the cigar or "Frank" from "Scarface".
Aleks says on 4/Nov/09
Unless he is wearing INCREDIBLY high platform shoes, there's no way Sinatra can be two inches taller than Jackson with them if he is two inches shorter without them. Have you heard of any shoes who can gives you four full inches?
Come on. Brad says on 4/Nov/09
Ever see the photo of G with Krist from Nirvana? That's me with a 5' 6"er like G in that photo. If he said he was 5' 8" I'd be laffin'. Jackson is 5' 9" (was!). RisingForce says on 3/Nov/09
Yeah, there's this homeless woman who always asks me for money when I walk around the corner of my street. She's so short that she probably reaches my shoulders or maybe a bit higher. Could I accurately estimate her height? No way. If she said she was 4'8" I'd believe it, but I'd believe it if she said she was 4'10" as well. Brad says on 3/Nov/09
Hey hoss I was sitting in the court and he walked by, same thing in concert, he's above. Glenn was a joke standing by people saying he was 5' 8". You've got Sinatra taller than Jackson, a moron knows Sinatra is shorter than Jackson. Sinatra was 5' 7". What a stupid photo, file under Glenn with Emile Hirsch and "I'm 5' 8"". Aleks says on 3/Nov/09
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Jackson was no taller than Frank Sinatra. Sinatra probably wore lifts in this picture, however, there's still a clear two-inch difference in his favor. So even if you'd pull them off, they'd be about the same height.
Now I'm waiting for some clown to claim that Sinatra was 5'9". ACG says on 2/Nov/09
RisingForce says on 1/Nov/09
But at 6'6", how can you tell the difference between 5'8" and 5'9"? I'm 5'7.5"-5'8" and it can be difficult for me to tell, especially if someone slouchs.
THANK YOU RISING!! I've been meaning to bring that up for ages! A 6'6" man being able to pinpoint the difference between 5'8" and 5'9"(Jackson) or 5'7" and 5'8"(Cruise) is hysterical. An absolute joke. I love it how Brad constantly makes fun of glenn, but he's really the one to be laughed at. From a vantage point of six and a half feet tall I'd call BS for any of his estimates under 6 foot.
And since Brad saw Jackson at 5'9", that means he could very well be the 5'11"+ I've been claiming for him all along. RisingForce says on 2/Nov/09
Except I can't go with 5'9" because he WITH a footwear advantage he was shorter than 5-9ish Eddie Murphy in several pictures.
Brad, have you noticed that whenever he's pictured with a celeb with a page here, he almost never looks 5-9 in comparison? Look at him with Reagan, Quincy Jones, Lionel Richie, Marlon brando, Eddie Murphy, Wesley Snipes, Paul McCartney, Sammy Davis Jr., Frank Sinatra ect. Were they all wearing lifts? Brad says on 1/Nov/09
He wasn't slouching just a couple arm lengths away walking towards a judge, I was sitting. I'd almost go 5' 10" he was so military, he had the jacket to match. Go with the 5 feet nine. Look at him with Jesse. Bored on CH. says on 1/Nov/09
Well I have judged by photo's Michael Jackson is a bit below 5'9". He looked 5'9" - 510" to me but he was NOT even 5'8" in those photos with Brando.
If Brando wasn't on a box or wore lifts and Jackson lost the slouch Brando had 1" on him. I'd say 5'8" or so for Jackson. RisingForce says on 1/Nov/09
Exactly Brad, Tupac's autopsy height was BS meaniung that you can't rely on autopsy heights. If you think he's 5'9" then fine, just don't cite the autopsy height as some kind of proof because we know they can be unreliable.
But at 6'6", how can you tell the difference between 5'8" and 5'9"? I'm 5'7.5"-5'8" and it can be difficult for me to tell, especially if someone slouchs. Brad says on 31/Oct/09
Tupac was never 6' in his life. He was barely taller than the booted G who is 5' 6.5" tops in photos. That autopsy figure is a farce. Jackson is dead on as listed by the LACO. I've seen him from feet away in a court and onstage he's as listed by Rob: 5' 9". People, he's 5' 9", he slouches in every photo-op. RisingForce says on 30/Oct/09
No answer, Brad? empty nest says on 30/Oct/09
It's very normal for a person to "settle" once they hit their 50's. Some people begin to lose some height as early as their 40's if there's been back injury. I would estimate that due to his age and the stress he put on his back with all the dancing, that he definately lost some height.
Lisa Marie Presley is only 5'2. If I remember correctly, she came up to around his chin. The average height of an adult skull is about 7 inches, (give or take an inch).
i personally don't think he was any more then 5'10 at the most. His build made him look taller though. Jess says on 29/Oct/09
In his autobiography, Moonwalk, he said he is 5'10'' RisingForce says on 28/Oct/09
Brad, stop avoiding this question. Tupac's autopsy also said he was 6 feet tall, do you believe that too? Answer that or you lose all credibility. Brad says on 28/Oct/09
The autopsy said 5' 9". Brando wore huge customs. RisingForce says on 27/Oct/09
But what about the picture from the late 80's? it looks like they're at an event and not an awards show and not a photo shoot. Brando looked taller again.
We know Eddie Murphy, Quincy Jones. Ronald Reagan and Sammy Davis Jr. weren't on boxes. I see no reason why Wesley Snipes, Lionel Richie, Paul McCartney and George Lucas would all be on boxes. I doubt there was some conspiracy to make MJ shorter.
The only thing I can see supporting Jackson at 5'9"-5'10" is the taller impression he gives, but I think that's simply what that is, an impression caused by his slim build. I use to think 5'9"-5'10" for Jackson as well, but in almost every photo he looks shorter when he's compared to someone else. ACG says on 26/Oct/09
RisingForce says on 22/Oct/09
Rob, how was Michael 5'9" if Marlon Brando was never a full 5'9"?
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There's another picture of them from the late 80's on google images where jackson is closer to the camera and still shorter!
Wouldn't shock me in the least if Brando was on top of a massive box in those shots. I've never seen Michael look so short......because he isn't. YOUBOOT says on 26/Oct/09
to "risingforce"
i have 4 pictures of me (5'9) with my sister's boyfriend (6'0) and we look nearly the same height in these photos. i met mj in 1997 and i can tell u he was as tall as me(or even slightly taller) and i had my tall boots on Lon says on 25/Oct/09
I'am 5'8" an i met Mike Tyson once in an airport, we stood almost the same height. How i come to that conclusion, there's a pic of MJ with Mike Tyson an Don King, Mike Tyson's arm is on MJ's shoulder that let's me know MJ can't be more than 5'9" tall at the most. Aleks says on 25/Oct/09
I don't know if Brando wore big shoes in those pics, but he was certainly not over 5'8" in his later years, probably due to his obesity. RisingForce says on 22/Oct/09
Rob, how was Michael 5'9" if Marlon Brando was never a full 5'9"?
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There's another picture of them from the late 80's on google images where jackson is closer to the camera and still shorter! RisingForce says on 21/Oct/09
So by that logic Tupac was 6 ft, Brad? And that makes Glenn 5'10" minimum. Don says on 21/Oct/09
He was 5'10" during Thriller..later on maybe due to illness he might have been 5'8". Brad says on 21/Oct/09
Take out that slouch and he's 5' 9". Rob has him nailed. He isn't 5' 8". His autopsy is better than that skipper. RisingForce says on 21/Oct/09
No it's not, that'd put him about the same height as Eddie Murphy which is absurd considering Jackson IN cowboy boots was shorter than Murphy was in flat shoes.
That picture was not a one off illusion either. Look at him with Quincy Jones, an aged Marlon Brando, Lionel Richie, Wesley Snipes, Paul McCartney and Ronald Reagan. Brad says on 19/Oct/09
Watch his film, you'll see just how tall he is. This under 5' 9" figure is a joke. RisingForce says on 19/Oct/09
Look up photos of him with an aging, severely overweight Marlon Brando(who was 5-8.75 peak) and then tell me Michael was 5-9. tazo43 says on 18/Oct/09
The Navy told me I was 5'7" tall, but you would not believe how many men I meet that say they are 6' and look me straight in the eye! LOL Nobody walks around with a tape measure. James S says on 17/Oct/09
Guy,
I agree!! There should be NO MORE arguing. He was 5'9 end of story. He had arthritis in his lower back, so he may have well been 5'10 once, but resulting arthritis may have caused him to shrink or slouch a bit. By looking at the pic, if he were standing straight, he would be close to 5'10 yes. So ONCE AGAIN, he was 5'9!! END OF STORY jess says on 16/Oct/09
Michael Jackson was/is larger than life. How can you
put a measurment on that ??? Danimal says on 16/Oct/09
ACG says on 15/Oct/09
Aleks says on 14/Oct/09
So you guys actually think Jackson was 5'10" for 99 lbs when he filmed Thriller?
Total nonsense.
A 5'10" man weighing 99 lbs. would look like a zombie. HEY, WAIT----
Wait, you're 5'8" and 109 pounds. RisingForce says on 16/Oct/09
If anyone still doubts that Michael was only 5'8", go look at pictures of Michael and an aged, overweight Marlon Brando. Brando when he was young and in shape was only 5'8.75". RisingForce says on 16/Oct/09
Danimal, I have a different build so it's hard to compare. I defintley think I look thinner than he did in the picture above with Alan Light, but in recent years? I don't know, I defintley don't look as frail as he did. I believe we're similar in height and weight, though. Brad says on 15/Oct/09
Just like his freaking autopsy said: 5' 9". Right next to me 5' 9". I liked it when some Denver lawyer was trying to nail him on ripping off this bozo I've seen in clubs singing and he sang all kinds of hooks & riffs and harmony to the lawyer showing how he nailed it down. The court was speechless, the guy was human music box! He did the Our Gang Stymie smile. I caught it and almost keeled over laughing. He knew his Little Rascals stuff. Priceless! ACG says on 15/Oct/09
Aleks says on 14/Oct/09
So you guys actually think Jackson was 5'10" for 99 lbs when he filmed Thriller?
Total nonsense.
A 5'10" man weighing 99 lbs. would look like a zombie. HEY, WAIT---- Danimal says on 14/Oct/09
Rising, are you as thin as Michael Jackson? RisingForce says on 14/Oct/09
Jackson really needs to be downgraded. Whenever he's with someone with a known height it seems that he looks 5'8" or shorter. Aleks says on 14/Oct/09
So you guys actually think Jackson was 5'10" for 99 lbs when he filmed Thriller?
Total nonsense. RisingForce says on 13/Oct/09
And 5'9"-5'10" Tupac was measured at 6 ft after he died. Michael was no more than 5'8". Guy says on 12/Oct/09
Please read Michael Jacksons post mortem report. The report quite cleary verifies that Michael Jackson was just under 10 stone and 5"9' in height, measured after-death, concluding that he had a healthy BMI for a man of his age.
THERE SHOULD BE NO MORE ARGUING. MICHAEL JACKSON WAS 5"9' DEAD ON. HangingChad says on 11/Oct/09
Go to google images and do a search for michael jackson stevie wonder. They're both the same height. Then google stevie wonder's height and you'll find it's either 6'0" or 6' 1/2". Even if the pics were taken when mj wore his shoes with the 2" heels, he'd still be 5'10". ummm says on 11/Oct/09
he is 5'9-5'10 police report in 1993 and current 2009 autopsy
they even admitted his skin disease in 1993 dunno why its never mentioned RisingForce says on 11/Oct/09
Rob, what do you base this 5'9" listing on?
Jackson looks under 5'9" is basically every picture of him and a celebrity with a known height. Wouldn't it be fair to downgrade him to 5'8" or at the least, 5'8.5"? josh says on 10/Oct/09
I say 5ft 8 without shoes making him a good 5ft 10 in boots. H e was never below that. There was one photo where he looks almost the same height as marlon brando who wa more or less the same height. Yari says on 10/Oct/09
Yeah I agree with dd in the pic michael wasn't standing straight but if he would he would be like half an inch taller than alan and if he's 5'10.5 the michael could reach 5'11 which is exactly what i said YOUBOOT says on 9/Oct/09
i met MJ in 1997 at the telegatti show in italy,i'm 5'9 (175) and he was slightly taller than me,i'd say around (177,178).i had my tall boots on but i can't remember what type of shoes he had Yari says on 9/Oct/09
I've watched his videos and other stuff and he looked taller than 5'9". Before he died i heard he was 5'11" and that sounds more accurate to me. dd says on 9/Oct/09
in the picture alan light and MJ alan is listed 5'10.5 and if michael would stand up correctly he would be 5'9.5- 5'10 Bouncer says on 7/Oct/09
Nah, 5'10 is a bit too high.
i still think rob has him bang on.
autopsy measurements don't always have to be wrong.
the medical examer claimed after chris farleys dead his correct height and weight for example.
oh, and it's definitely possible to measure a lying person correctly. Chen says on 7/Oct/09
I agree with you, Eric. This remains an interesting mystery. Eric says on 6/Oct/09
Michael Jackson was 5.10. I saw him personally and have no doubts about that. All internet sources also say that his was 5.10. Some say autopsy claims his was 5.9. How can you measure laying person correctly? Doctor's visit measured my son in laying position as 1 inch shorter than I measured him standing. TELLEM says on 6/Oct/09
Chen says on 6/Oct/09
TELLEM
Just because Tupac's autopsy is inaccurate doesn't mean Michael's autopsy isn't accurate at the height. And if Michael is shorter than 5'9" Eddie Murphy, why is that Rob still list Michael at 5'9"? I'm very curious about that.
if tupac's autopsy is not accurate, then what does that tell you about michael jacksons' or other autopsy results? that they are NOT RELIABLE. rob can have whatever height he wants to have, after all it is his site, doesn't mean its correct. Chen says on 6/Oct/09
TELLEM
Just because Tupac's autopsy is inaccurate doesn't mean Michael's autopsy isn't accurate at the height. And if Michael is shorter than 5'9" Eddie Murphy, why is that Rob still list Michael at 5'9"? I'm very curious about that. James S says on 5/Oct/09
Right on the mark, the OFFICIAL autopsy said he was 5'9 and weighed an ACCEPTABLE 136 lbs. So this is very much on the mark. Not short, not tall, average height. TELLEM says on 5/Oct/09
but tupac's height was at 5'11-6'0, was that his height? NO. autopsy results are weak. MichaelFan4LIFE says on 5/Oct/09
You people are so stupid! On this site arguing about someone's height. His autopsy said he was 5'9" so he is and that is the average height of a male. That is not short. TELLEM says on 4/Oct/09
the autopsy says 5'9. ok. tupac's autopsy says 5'11-6'0. so what doe sthat tell you? that autopsies are useless. the 59ers praise the autopsy results, but none of you can explain why a supposed "5'9" michael jackson was shorter than a 5'9 eddie murphy. hes 5'8. Mark G says on 4/Oct/09
Im a distant relative of Michaela and want to make something clear. Michael was not gay. Many rumors persisted because people are hurtful and want/need to put others down to increase themselves.
So for all those whom still disbelieve. Theres nothing to say to you. Nothing but looking into your heart at whats causing this hatred and overcoming it. The slander belies a much deeper wound.
Here is a video that i think speaks volumes of how Michael felt about this subject. its time to grow up. Click Here pammie123 says on 3/Oct/09
Frank2.How come you have to be so cold hearted person.Do you think it lifts you higher then anyone else to put another person down.It dose not matter how tall or rich or black or white or what ever.Its the person in side that really counts.Michael was a kind hearted person.Some thing you are not.If you really knew him you would of knew that.So f off.Michael said he was not gay.Maybe you wanted him to be and he turn you down and it made you mad. Cliff says on 3/Oct/09
I'm not sure if pathologists consider that a person measures taller lying down. I really don't think they make a big deal out of it and simply measure the body 'as is' lying down. If this is how Jackson was measured, then Frank 2 COULD still be right...He could've been 5'8"- 5'8.5" while standing fully erect during the day. I do remember that he was significantly shorter than Brooke Shields, but on the other hand, he could look taller at times, probably due to his slim dancers frame. I do admit that if someone told me before the autopsy report that MJ was 6ft, I probably wouldn't have argued with them. He was certainly one of the few celebs who actually looked taller than he actually was. Anna says on 2/Oct/09
MJ was definitely 5.10. My boyfriend is 5.11 and MJ was about the same height (he saw MJ in Vegas). Don't forget MJ used to slouch a lot and never had a straight posture. He was above average. To me he never seemed short. Also, he was extremely sexy and had a great body, soul and his face was remarkable. jojo says on 2/Oct/09
He is more thhan inch taller than Quincy
He is taller than Whitney who is 5.8 and in heels
He is not that short.
i was surprised that Eddie is 5.9 cause i thought he was 5.4.
he looks small in his movies. but maybe it is just me. Bouncer says on 2/Oct/09
Brad says on 2/Oct/09
F2 had no proof. I still have my court pass for when I was right next to him. Hey F2, the 5' 9" is official by the autopsy. Rob was correct with the 5' 9" listing.
And that's what i always told Frank2, but i think he couldn't stand it to be wrong.
The autopsy said 5'9, Rob was right, i was right, Frank2 was wrong and he don't like this, almost as much as he didn't like Michael Jackson, what is pretty clear if you read his posts.
It's really ridicolous to claim anything without proof, no matter if Rob trusts him or not. Rob trusted Glenn too, and at the end it figured out that he was pathetic lying scum with a height complex, using this site to make himself famous and taller than he really is. Ben S says on 2/Oct/09
I saw Michael Jackson close up many times. He was around 5'8-5'9 and a simlular height to me. Michael Jackson wasn't gay or a child abuser, and as others have pointed out his sexuality has nothing to do with his height or this thread. RisingForce says on 2/Oct/09
Tupac's autopsy also said he was 6 ft, should we believe that as well? J says on 2/Oct/09
I never met Michael (nor I have met any other famous people). I thought he was taller, too. Maybe he was. Osteoarthritis of the spine could lead to loss of some height, I have to believe. I'm guessing he had lost about an inch. Brad says on 2/Oct/09
F2 had no proof. I still have my court pass for when I was right next to him. Hey F2, the 5' 9" is official by the autopsy. Rob was correct with the 5' 9" listing. RisingForce says on 2/Oct/09
Oh come on, Murphy has something in shoes despite the fact this his shoes are visibly much flatter than jackson's? That's an assumption based on nothing. That happens to be a full body shot that shows Michael to look as short as he does in the photos with Quincy Jones, Wesley Snipes, Lionel Richi, Paul McCartney ect. If Jackson didn't usually look 5'8" when standing next to someone then I'd agree that the photo could be an illusion, but that's likely not the case considering a few other photos showed the same thing.
Jackson's thin frame makes him seem taller which fools a lot of people, but he was 5'8".
And I don't see what's hard to believe about Frank's claim that Jackson was gay. Do you have any idea how many entertainers are/were gay? Many of them were more masculine than Jackson too. If Frank heard Jackson call another man cute then that'd be a reasonable amount of evidence for him to base his opinion on. I see no reason to doubt Frank's claim about Jackson's sexuality.
And Frank has proven to Rob that he worked in the industry and Rob knows who he is. Frank has also requested that he remain anonymous. I doubted some of Frank's claims at first, but the fact that he proved he was legit to Rob is good enough for me. Jack says on 1/Oct/09
5'9 isn't small. It's probably the average. May be not around a college compus where the population is younger and better fed.
But 5'9 would be the average around any big city. The Horse of FUNK says on 1/Oct/09
When you're lying on your back, you're generally gonna be taller/longer than you normally would be. Do autopsies ever take that into consideration? APreader says on 1/Oct/09
He was officially 5'9" and 136 pounds according to the latest autopsy results: Click Here Bouncer says on 1/Oct/09
Mari says on 1/Oct/09
Being shy or sensitive doesn't mean you are gay.
Frank2 claimed that Michael acted "like a queen" and "said that somebody (male) is cute".
Frank2 desperately tried to make everybody believe MJ was gay and 5'8 max. He said he met him (without any proof).
Personally, i rather believe Rob and buy 5'9 for MJ, what isn't really that short though.
It's also not impossible that on the Murphy picture Murphy has something in his shoes, and most other pictures are bad for judging height, because no full body shots. Mari says on 1/Oct/09
Michael always looked tall because he had long limbs and was reed thin all of his life. But I believe that he is around the 5'9-5'10 category. Michael was photographed standing straight next to his brothers a lot. If we could get some of the Jackson brothers heights, we might be able to better determine Michael's height.
There is something wrong with this Frank2 guy! He is so obsessive about insisting his opinion about Michael. What does Michael's sexuality have to do with his height? Nothing! But FWIW, (and I am a woman) there was nothing gay about Michael's demeanor or actions. Being shy or sensitive doesn't mean you are gay. Brad says on 1/Oct/09
Murphy wears expensive lifts. 5' 9" is what he is. Rika says on 30/Sep/09
The average heights haven't been updated for 16 years. 5'9 is shorter than what people thought he was. Chen says on 30/Sep/09
When Michael's "THIS IS IT" movie is released on Oct. 28, we'll have a chance to watch his great performance and maybe a better estimate at his height. Bouncer says on 29/Sep/09
5'9 isn't "small", it's lower average, but maybe MJ wasn't a strong 5'9.. Rika says on 29/Sep/09
When Michael was in his teens, he was afraid of girls, but not because he was gay. He openly admitted he wasn't gay, he just didnt know how to talk to women.
5'9 is small nowadays. 5'9 and 150lbs is smaller than what mchael could have become. His whole life was devoted to dance and singing. TELLEM says on 28/Sep/09
there is no way you can deny michael jackson at 5'8, especially next to 5' eddie murphy Bouncer says on 28/Sep/09
gilipollas says on 27/Sep/09
MJ was gay. At least men that have sex with other men and run away from women when it comes to sex are considered gay.
When did that happen?
Rika says on 28/Sep/09
MJ was definitely around the 5'8-5'10 mark. He is a small guy after all which fits into his lifestyle of being a dancer. Dancers being quite short stature.
5'9 or 5'10 isn't really "small" anymore. Rika says on 28/Sep/09
MJ was definitely around the 5'8-5'10 mark. He is a small guy after all which fits into his lifestyle of being a dancer. Dancers being quite short stature. gilipollas says on 27/Sep/09
BillieJ, u can make someone look taller but u cannot make someone look shorter if hes standing up. MJ wanting to look shorter is absurd. Oh, btw, billie jean song was stolen from Hall and Oates. Its good Michael said sorry to them in 85 while recording the "we are world" one song.
Bouncer, most gay guys LOOOOOVE women and especially the hot and dramatic ones. MJ was gay. At least men that have sex with other men and run away from women when it comes to sex are considered gay. RisingForce says on 26/Sep/09
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Murphy at 5'9.5" as I think he is would be 5'10.5"/5'10.75" in shoes. Jackson at 5'8" would be 5'10" in cowboy boots. If you ask me that adds up there. Michael looks even shorter due to his posture.
And what about Michael next to Quincy Jones, Lionel Richie, George Lucas and Wesley Snipes? Are they all taller than we think they are?
I think 5'9.5" is the highest Murphy is. I remember Brigitte Nielsen calling him out on his 5'10" claim saying he was at most 5'9"-5'9.5". He didn't look taller than that next to Nielsen. Here is Murphy looking 2" shorter than a leaning Sylvester Stallone. Click Here
I don't consider myself a downgrader and I initially thought Michael had to be 5'9"-5'10", but whenever he stands next to someone he always seems to look 5'8" or under to me. ACG says on 26/Sep/09
And about Eddie Murphy, well Eddie might be taller than we think and he could've been packing some serious liftage in his own boots to "counteract" MJ's heels.
In the music video they did together, MJ is no smaller than Murphy and MJ probably had flatter shoes. Come to think of it, MJ actually looked taller than Eddie in some of the shots, but never shorter. ACG says on 26/Sep/09
Michael Jackson downplayed his height because either,
a. he himself wasn't aware of his own height, which is far more possible than you might imagine
b. well, he's Michael Jackson....I love the guy, but not everything he did exactly made the most sense.
Remember, he was deprived of his childhood. He tried to compensate for that by constructing an amusement park in his backyard.
I remember hearing him say once that he wished he was SHORTER, and that must stem from his desire to be young once more.
At about six feet tall, you can only downgrade yourself so much. Hence the 5'10" claim from him.
I'd be willing to bet that if he had it his way he WOULD be 5'8, or even shorter.
Unfortunately for him, that just wasn't the case. Bouncer says on 26/Sep/09
I don't think MJ was gay like Frank2 claimed, i believe he was more bisexual like. He was in love with women and said he loved Ladi Diana.
His height is a well discussed theme, i think it should be at the "popular articles" ^^ RisingForce says on 26/Sep/09
Why would Michael downplay his height and why was Eddie Murphy visibly taller than jackson who was wearing 2" cowboy boots? ACG says on 25/Sep/09
Mister P says on 25/Sep/09
This is such an interesting mystery. Was Michael Jackson 5'8 or 5'9...? Wish he'd told us...
Michael wrote in his autobiography that he was 5'10". But he is actually downplaying his own height because he was more 5'11-6'0. Mister P says on 25/Sep/09
This is such an interesting mystery. Was Michael Jackson 5'8 or 5'9...? Wish he'd told us... Anonymous says on 24/Sep/09
Rob, I think its time to downgrade Jackson to 5'8! RisingForce says on 24/Sep/09
Not only that, but Jackson's cowboy boots seemed to give an extra inch over Murphy's! Jackson could be 5'7.5" himself. 5'7.5"-5'8" range for Jackson and 5'9"-5'9.5" for Murphy. TELLEM says on 22/Sep/09
someone answer why eddie murphy, who is 5'9, was taller than michael jackson. O thats right, you can't, because Jackson WAS 5'8. jessie says on 22/Sep/09
billie j I agree with you in everything you said: I read your comments and you seem to be a good observer of human nature. I work in the movie business doing designs ans storyboards on films.I currently live in france and a friens of mine worked with micheal jackson (the biggest entertainer of ALL time).on the picture he was allowed to tkae (only one) he seems to be 5'8". (my height).I also saw him with a buch of body guards walkin out of a hotel in paris during the bad tour (1988) and he really didn't seem tall. anyway you're right: he has very nice proportions ans is (was) very elegant and gracious in the way he moved.nice to see there are people who think like you. Brad says on 22/Sep/09
He's in his military boots with Mr. Mandela. Sawyer is 5' 9", so is Jax, so is the figure above. Bouncer says on 22/Sep/09
Did the medicals measured MJ's corpse before they burried him? Chen says on 22/Sep/09
I'm a little confused. In the following picture MJ looked equally tall as Nelson Mandela, who is said to be around 6'1"
Click Here BillieJ says on 21/Sep/09
MJ was at least 5'9, if not taller. Remember Diane is a woman, and most tall women don't want to make themselves any taller, if anything they tend to make themselves shorter. So obviously Sawyer has no reason to lie about her height. She might be even taller than her "official" height. At least there are ppl out there who believe so.
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Hope, we can now put the rumor to rest that MJ was only 5'8, and go our ways. Since you are so obsessed with the truth - here you have it!! BillieJ says on 21/Sep/09
Here's the link to the interview of MJ with Sawyer in a better quality. Now you can tell clearly that MJ was taller than her, especially in the last ten seconds of the video (start around 3:05). Both in flats, no lifts whatsoever.
Click Here Brad says on 21/Sep/09
He's as listed above: 5' 9". I stood right next to him. If you caught him not slouching (A Jax trademark)was easy 5 feet 9. He hit the Apollo with James Brown & Jackie Wilson in 1968 in awe. Just listen to "Who's Lovin' You" from '69, that's enough. RisingForce says on 21/Sep/09
Jackson looks 3 inches shorter than Lionel Richie. charlotte says on 21/Sep/09
he was actually 5'11 in his mug shot, so your all wrong x BillieJ says on 21/Sep/09
Oh just to prove that you very probably have underestimated MJ's height, here's a link to an interview of him with Diana Sawyer (who's listed as 5'9). He seems even a little taller or at the least the same height.
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Frank2: I didn't say that you are wrong. I said you could be wrong. Personally I think MJ was around 5'9 (same height as diane sawyer). He's always been a very skinny and "small" man. He was never bulky or brawny, and so it made him look longer and leaner than he actually was.
And many good dancers are quite short and skinny. I'm really skinny myself and I know that being skinny allows you to have better condition when you're doing sports like dancing and running and such. So don't think I'm so naive.
If MJ wasn't that small-framed, maybe he wouldn't be such a great dancer. All the Jackson brothers were good dancers, but no one could compare to him, bc it didn't look that effortlessly on them. MJ was tall enough to look good on stage and short and skinny enough to do it as effortlessly as he did. jojo says on 21/Sep/09
in vanity fair lisa robinson interview jackson. she interviewed him in 1988, age 29 and when he was a child in 1972.
she says he was taller than she expected when she saw him in 1988
he is taller than he seems read the article.
probably 5.11
people you say you have met him and that he is short.
with so many mj haters, i think u did not meet him.
she saw him many times i believe her not u people.
Chen, he is 5.11. ACG, to u too as well. dd says on 20/Sep/09
Michael Jackson 5'8 i doubt so more rather 5'10 (check out this video on youtube look at 1:28) Click Here Frank2 says on 20/Sep/09
Why do so many people who haven't even met him, try to convince me I'm wrong?
He is LEGEND? Why not grow up Billie or whatever you name is and stop living your life by worshipping celebs.
Obsessed? Perhaps. WITH THE TRUTH!
You think it's useless to talk about his height. What in the hell are you doing on a frigging height forum? Would you go on political forum and tell people they shouldn't discuss politics?
This is so damned asinine. A total waste of my time. People, believe what you want. You see him as being 5'11", great. Let's make him six feet! How about six one! I'm out of here! And this time for good! BillieJ says on 20/Sep/09
Frank2:
Who cares how tall MJ was?? He is a LEGEND!! His talent, his voice, his dancing skills just make up for any kind of shortage. Given or taken 1 inch or 2 - WHO CARES?? He had a great body, very good proportions and looks phenomenal on stage. He is the greatest performer the world has seen. That's enough.
There are a bunch of people who are fricking tall (I happened to know many guys who are above 6ft.3) - so what?? does it make them any better?? NO!! it'S talent that counts, it'S heart that counts. And no girl would care if he was just 5'8. I mean, c'mon, he could have had anyone he wanted.
Why do you spend so much time and energy convincing people that he was just 5'8? Do you honestly believe that this would make any difference to his fans who admire him for his music?
So you worked with him. But do you know that people often times can't determine the height of someone correctly, especially when you are with them personally? They always appear to be shorter even though you are the same height. That happened to me many times, when i thought that the person was much shorter than me, and then later it turned out (in front of a mirror) that we were the same height or that the person was only a little bit shorter. That's common knowledge - you shouldn't trust your personal guess, you should measure in front of a mirror. Plus, it's always like this with celebreties - you expect them to be much taller bc of their fame and persona. You don't expect them to be average height, bc you always want to look up to them. Especially someone of MJ's calibre.
Why are you so obssessed with making MJ shorter? Or if it's true what you say - why do you want to convince ppl? Do you hold any personal grudge against him??
I believe you that he might be gay though. This is something that you can tell if you've met this person and spent some time with him/her. I mean, you get his/her vibe. But even then, you can't tell for sure. some men are just more feminine than others. Personally i think the question about him being gay is much more interesting than his height. This might actually explain a lot. His surgeries, his makeup, his relationships with women, his affection for kids, his unhappiness etc. So are you 100% sure that MJ was 100% was GAY? Do you have any proof?
This would be interesting to know. That would explain a lot of his strange behavior.
By the way, what exactly do you do for work? Dancer, camera man, stage worker? this information would make your statements more believable.
You could use your personal experiences that you had with MJ to talk about his life and work instead of debating his height. This is really much more interesting! So many ppl would be thrilled over the moon to be in the same room with him, or just to see him personally. And you had that opportunity. How was he aside from being "gay"? Just tell us some stories about him.
Frank2, I'm not here to offend you. I just think it's useless to talk about his height. What difference would it make if he was an inch taller or shorter? It's his music that makes him great. Greater than any 6'5 guy. Instead, use your knowledge and share some personal stories about him. Funny anecdotes, whatever. Chen says on 20/Sep/09
OK, I am kind of convinced. Here is my analysis for MJ's possible height:
33%---5'8"
33%---5'8.5"
33%---5'9"
That adds up to 99%, with the remaining 1% being MJ is 5'11" tall:) Frank2 says on 19/Sep/09
MJ with 5'9" Wesley Snipes, Quincy Jones and Derrick Simmons:
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Please don't try to sell me that Michael is the same height or God forbid taller. It won't wash. It would be just as ludicrous as Glenn claiming Stallone was 5'10.5" or that Bruce Willis was 6'1".
And Snipes is 5'9". I've meet him. By the way, he's a nice guy. Very down to earth. Frank2 says on 19/Sep/09
They look to be the exact, same height. And yes Clark is 5'8". I've met him at least twice. The last time right before he had his terrible stroke.
I thought I could put this one to bed, but I guess not.
Look at what a shrimp MJ is next to Jesse Jackson:
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Even Larry King is taller and he's lost serious height. Plus you all seem to forget that with Michael, they sometimes place a telephone book on the floor. I've seen this done many times when shorter celebs are photographed with taller people. Sometimes it's just to keep them within the frame.
Here's King with his wife Shawn Southwick who's about 5'10":
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As you can see, King is shorter.
One more time. I met MJ. I stood right next to him. I spent at least a solid hour on the stage with him and at no time did he appear to be any taller than 5'8". His spine didn't adjust. He wasn't hunched over the entire time. If anything, he was quite animated. And VERY fey. I mean, working in the entertainment business I've been around a lot of gay men, but he took the cake as far as being effeminate. He almost floated off the damned floor! He commented on how cute one of the male musicians was and that he wanted to meet him. I looked at the mixer and he rolled his eyes!
The poor man is dead. He lived a pretty miserable existence. It's now come out that he was on serious meds for over a decade. That does bad things to a person's psyche. He was already quite strange to begin with. The drugs only made matters worse.
Look, I felt sorry for him. He was enormously talented. He brought pleasure to a lot of his fans all around the world. But he was a terribly flawed human being. Thankfully, for his own sake he's now at peace. We still have his music and his performances captured so future generations can enjoy his work. Being a famous celeb in a way brings a sort of immortality. I watch an old film that starred say Clark Gable when he was young and it strikes me that he'll go on looking like that for ages. Really amazing when you think about it. Even more amazing when I see video tapes of people like Johnny Carson or Dean Martin. It's hard to imagine they're physically gone, especially when something of them remains. That's what I mean about a form of immortality. Style says on 19/Sep/09
Dick Clark and Michael Jackson look about the same height to me. It's the hat that kinda throws you off. Click Here This is a better picture with Dick Clark. Michael seems to be leaning. They look like they could be about the same height. Chen says on 19/Sep/09
Dick Clark is said to be 5'8", and Michael seemed taller than him in this picture(roll down to the middle of the page):
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Look what I found:
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This one should pretty much end it:
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Rob, you need to downgrade MJ to 5'8". The evidence is just too overwhelming.
I rest my case. Frank2 says on 17/Sep/09
[Editor Rob: I was trying to say Jackson could be under 5ft 9 because I thought landis wasn't over 5ft 10.5]
Well, Jackson was under 5'9" and by an inch. Frank2 says on 17/Sep/09
Bouncer, you bring up a fascinating point. I wonder. Bouncer says on 17/Sep/09
If Glenn upgraded celebs taller than him, did he downgrade celebs shorter than him? Frank2 says on 17/Sep/09
Landis with Guillermo del Toro who's supposedly 5'10":
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Landis with Smokey Robinson:
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Robinson is supposedly six feet tall. Somehow I tend to doubt it. That or Landis is at least 6'2".
Landis with TCM's Robert Osborne:
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Osborne surprise me. He's at least 6'1". Here's Osborne with 5'11" Robert Wagner:
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And here with tiny Jane Powell:
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Wagner hasn't lost height. At least that was the case the last time I ran into him. Some hair yes, but not height. We were eye-to-eye the exact same height going back to when he starred in IT TAKES A THIEF.
Landis with film composer Elmer Bernstein:
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Bernstein was about 5'5" to 5'6".
Landis with Hal Holbrook:
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Lanis and MJ:
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Landis at the 65th Venice Film Festival:
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Landis during his younger days with actor John Agar (far right):
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Agar who I met, was 6'1" prime and dropped down to just over 5'11". A few years before he died, I had a wonderful time talking with Agar who gave me his autographed photo which hangs in my den.
Look folks, I didn't just fall off the turnip truck. I've lived and worked in the entertainment capital of the world for most of my life. Over the decades I've met countless celebs. I'm pretty cognizant of their heights. MJ was 5'8". Frank2 says on 17/Sep/09
Well, Rob, if Landis is truly 5'9".............
Maybe Jackson was 5'6" and I was seeing things!
Seriously, John is my height or slightly taller, maybe by half an inch. At least he was the last time I ran into him and we spoke. That was about seven or eight years ago. He's somewhat stocky so that tends to make him appear shorter unless you stand right next to him. Plus he has terrible posture.
[Editor Rob: I was trying to say Jackson could be under 5ft 9 because I thought landis wasn't over 5ft 10.5] RisingForce says on 17/Sep/09
Rob, did you see the full body shot of Jackson with a clear footwear advantage looking shorter than Eddie Murphy? No way was Michael 5'9". Frank2 says on 17/Sep/09
Jackson was wearing boots with two inch heels the day he was with Bush. So with those boots he was around 5'10". Bush was 6'2" thus a four inch difference.
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Trust me. MJ was 5'8". I saw it for my own eyes. He wasn't 5'9" nor 5'10" and claims of him being 5'11" need to be filed where they keep loony conspiracy theories such as, man never walked on the moon, that it was done on a Hollywood soundstage, or that 9/11 was an inside job. Or that Elvis is still alive!
[Editor Rob: I would say against landis - whom I personally thought didn't appear taller than 5ft 10.5 in 2007 when I saw him - he could be under 5ft 9.] TJ says on 16/Sep/09
I thought 5'8 for sure when I saw MJ against Prince Charles. Then this video confused me:
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I'm sure George Bush Sr was at least 6'1.5 back in 1990, but Jackson only really looks 4 inches shorter. Certainly not 5.5 inches anyway. So Rob, maybe you have it spot on. TELLEM says on 16/Sep/09
those sly boots are disgusting. it makes me sick that this man tries to fool everyone, even himself that hes 5'10. Frank2 says on 16/Sep/09
Yes, Stallone is no taller than Jackson was. Obviously Sly is a lot beefier and Sly wears huge lifts.
As for why people lie? A plethora of reasons. But in Glenn's case I think he felt back when he first posted that he didn't want people to know he was that short. Ego? Who knows. So naturally every celeb photographed with him had to be taller.
Speaking of Stallone and lifts, check this out:
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Frank2, i know who Glenn is but i didn't know the meaning of "glenn effect". Now i know, thank you.
Did Glenn this with every celeb he met (including celebs shorter than himself)?
BTW, i don't remember any claim Stallone being taller than 5'10 barefoot.
Do you think Stallone is the same height as Michael Jackson?
I kinda miss Glenn's pictures (and a lot celebs on this site now haven't any picture anymore) but on the other side it's downright pathetic for a heightcontributor lying about his own height, i mean what for? He isn't even a celeb himself. Frank2 says on 15/Sep/09
Bouncer, are you kidding? Glenn went around claiming a bunch of celebs were taller than they are because he hid the fact he was shorter than he claimed. Ludicrous claims of Stallone being over 5'10" and Bruce Willis being 6'1" are examples of the Genn Effect. Understand? Bouncer says on 15/Sep/09
Anybody can explain the "Glenn effect", please? Thank you. Frank2 says on 14/Sep/09
Speaking of sci-fi movies, we could remake THE INCREDIBLE SHRINKING MAN starring Glenn. TELLEM says on 14/Sep/09
he isn't 5'9. put him next to a LEGIT 5'9 man (eddie murphy) and he is shorter. Its very simple. Look at the evidence for once, like the eddie murphy-michael jackson photo. simple process that even a child can figure out that jackson was 5'8 max. Bouncer says on 14/Sep/09
Frank2 says on 13/Sep/09
Rob, please downgrade MJ's height to 5'8". I believe I've provided way more than enough evidence to prove it. Plus Rob, you know me. I wouldn't claim something unless I new it to be true.
Well, unfortunately it didn't worked ...
Could somebody please tell me what exactly the "Glenn effect" is? Thank you. Frank2 says on 14/Sep/09
The Glenn Effect. Sounds like a sci-fi movie. Aleks says on 14/Sep/09
Some listed heights are are wrong becase of the Glenn Effect.
It isn't exactly Rob's fault. Frank2 says on 13/Sep/09
Andy Warhol was no where near being six feet. MJ is clearly shorter. Al Sharpton isn't close to being six feet nor is Dick Clark. Nice try, but no cigar. Dural says on 13/Sep/09
That's pointless, in the full body pic with Stevie wonder MJ is jumping and in the other pic you can't see their feet.
What about this pic Ada?
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There's a picture on the site where Michael towers over Alfonso Riberio, I guess MJ was 7'2"! Frank2 says on 13/Sep/09
Ada, I could care less about the average measured distance of a face. I was taller by three inches. Why don't you believe me? Did you look at the video showing John Landis towering over MJ?
This is getting to remind me of an exercise in mental maturation.
And Bouncer, if it makes you happy...
Rob, please downgrade MJ's height to 5'8". I believe I've provided way more than enough evidence to prove it. Plus Rob, you know me. I wouldn't claim something unless I new it to be true.
OK, happy? Ada says on 13/Sep/09
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He's a sight with Michael standing right next to many of the people that have been "said" to be a lot taller than him. As you can see the height differences were mainly a result of angling. Look at MJ Next to Stevie Wonder, they are the same height and he's 6'. Ada says on 13/Sep/09
the distance from someone's eyebrow to the top of their head isn't 6 inches, it's about 4-inches for most people. The length of someones face ranges from around 6-8 inches. So when posting pictures, please keep that in mind. Michael is clearly 5'9" slouching and 5'10"+ when standing up straight. I'm an artist who specializes in realism and I'm spatially inclined as a result. Judging height from photographs is tricky, especially if you don't understand angles and perspective and how that effects the size of an object.
And looking at the above picture, we can see that michael and alan's waists are at the same level and both men have similar body proportions, so if michael was standing straight... guess what? He would be the same height. end of story. Bouncer says on 13/Sep/09
Frank2 says on 12/Sep/09
According to you, I guess anyone who stood next to MJ and appeared taller naturally must have worn lifts.
I didn't say that.
Well, it's so super sure MJ was 5'8, unfortunately here stands: "Michael Jackson height: 5 ft 9 in (175 cm)" so you are saying Rob lists wrong information here, right? Why don't you have the guts to tell him? Chen says on 13/Sep/09
Frank2, you and Bouncer are both natural born scientist, though it's probably not a good idea to put both of you on the same project. Bouncer, your attention to detail(regarding inspecting Prince Charles' shoe) really makes me hold great reverence for you.
By the way, has anybody ever heard Michael revealing his height during an interview? somebody must have had asked about his dimensions..... Frank2 says on 12/Sep/09
At 1:37 into this section, pause it and you'll clearly see that 5'11.5" John Landis towers over MJ:
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That's just about how short MJ was next to me when he stood up straight. No double. No adjustable spine. No magic. Just a 5'8" MJ.
I'd like to add that it's tragic he had so much unnecessary work done to his face. Back when he made THRILLER, had he stopped with the plastic surgery, no question he'd have been a lot better off. I believe it's recently come out that MJ had nearly 20 separate facial surgical operations. Now if that's not twisted, I don't know what is. Bouncer says on 12/Sep/09
I never claimed ANYONE who seems to be taller than MJ "must wearing lifts."
Well, it is so super sure MJ was 5'8, but right over here stands: "Michael Jackson height: 5 ft 9 in (175 cm) "
So you are saying Rob lists wrong information here, right?
Why don't you have the guts to tell him? Frank2 says on 12/Sep/09
Chen, I have no idea how tall Piven is. Sorry.
Bouncer, you crack me up. Excuses, excuses. One after the other.
I've seen plenty of full shots showing Prince Charles and I've never seen him wearing lifts.
According to you, I guess anyone who stood next to MJ and appeared taller naturally must have worn lifts. I mean, it stands to reason. MJ was nearly six feet tall barefoot. That means I must be way over six feet. Reagan had to have been at least six-two since he was taller than me when I met him. Eddie Murphy must be six feet.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! Bouncer says on 12/Sep/09
Reagan looks huge on that picture! You can't see the ground, posture, footwear of both, neither you can in the Video of Charles/Diana/Jackson, that's a fact.
Frank2, you say Charles didn't wear lifts, well, how would you know, did youb look in his shoes?
Oh yea, you can take the pictures with Bush again, but it's not impossible that Bush wore lifts too. Chen says on 12/Sep/09
Frank2, somebody is requesting you to comment on Jeremy Piven's height. There are some controversies there just like here. Bouncer says on 12/Sep/09
Frank2, get me right. I didn't say it's completely impossible that MJ was 5'8, but i just want to make clear that you haven't a 100% proof on that, so around 5'9 is also possible. James S says on 12/Sep/09
I look and re-look at this pic, and he looks like he is 5'9. I don't think he is any shorter than that. Micheal is leaning a little in his direction....I don't think he is 5'8 short. RisingForce says on 11/Sep/09
The strange thing is that Jackson seemed to have a clear footwear advantage with his 2" cowboy boots. Honestly Michael seemed under 5'8" next to Eddie. Bouncer says on 11/Sep/09
Reagan looks huge on that picture!
You can't see the ground, posture, shoes, etc. of both, that's a fact.
Frank2 says on 10/Sep/09
No major footwear advantage. Diana usually wore low heels, sometimes with just an inch and a half heel.
You cannot see anything of that that in the video!
Frank2 says on 10/Sep/09
Charles didn't wear lifts.
Oh, you looked in his shoes?
(Yes, you can take pictures with Bush now, but how would you know he didn't wear lifts too?) Frank2 says on 11/Sep/09
Murphy is 5'9". I've seen him in person. He usually doesn't wear lifts. Jackson was 5'8". End of story. RisingForce says on 11/Sep/09
If Michael is 5'9" then Eddie Murphy needs to be upgraded. Frank2 says on 10/Sep/09
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I know. Reagan appears a lot taller 'cause he's wearing special mid-heel shoes plus MJ's elevator spine was going downward plus there were atmospheric that day plus.......
"He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else." - Benjamin Franklin Frank2 says on 10/Sep/09
Bouncer, sorry. No major footwear advantage. Diana usually wore low heels, sometimes with just an inch and a half heel. Later on after she separated from Charles, she started wearing high heels and then she towered over most people, men included. Charles didn't wear lifts.
Chen, that's pretty funny. What makes you think he's in heaven? Frank2 says on 10/Sep/09
Neke, this is a height forum so naturally people argue over people's height. Sometimes people become angry. That's life. Stop sounding so damned pious.
The Santa Barbara police never put Jackson up against a height chart. Had they done this, we'd have seen it. Police did put other celebs against charts. Here's Steve McQueen against one:
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Justin Timberlake:
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Dawn Wells:
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With MJ, we saw that dreadful photo of him next to a badge with his height listed. Rubbish. He walked in and the arresting officer asked him or one of his assistants how tall he was and was told 5'11". That was it.
Now use everyday common sense. If Jackson was 5'11" barefoot, in those boots we've see him wear with two inch heels, he'd end up being 6'1". Now show me where he looked 6'1". Please!! This is so silly. People see what they wish to see. I've posted tons of photos. I described when I met the man. He was no more than 5'8".
Jackson did live a twisted life and I have every right to say so. Ever heard of the First Amendment?
Jackson married white women. His kids are white. He lightened his own skin and made himself look like a white drag queen. I guess that says a lot about what he thought about his own race.
He might be listed as setting up the most charities of any celeb, but the actual hard cash he paid out to them falls way behind the money he spent on himself. That's a fact.
And as I've stated before, but some just cannot seem to accept it, and that's my observation of MJ's height is NOT clouded over by any personal feelings I have. Remove that one from your clouded thinking. I reported exactly what I saw. I don't care that much for the current US president, but that doesn't mean I downgrade his height based on my feelings of the man. Go to his thread and you'll clearly see I defended his official height of 6'2". Bouncer says on 10/Sep/09
Princess Diana probably had a major heel footwear advantage and Prince Charles had dress shoes on (with lifts?)
At exactly 2:10 he doesn't look a full 2 inches shorter than Charles and he has less footwear, you also can't see their posture. Chen says on 10/Sep/09
Frank2
I bet Michael is now very upset in heaven that he didn't send his double to meet you in the Fox studio 20 years ago. He should have dispatched a 5'11" double to look you eye to eye so that this debate wouldn't even start in the first place. Chen says on 10/Sep/09
Anonymous says on 9/Sep/09
Chen, MJ was 5'8". Give it up. You're beating a dead horse.
My father always told me NEVER GIVE UP. So give up is not an option. Sorry. But I didn't mean to cause conflict. I truly feel Michael is 5'9". After all this is what Rob thought.
BTW, I haven't seen posts from ACG and John Lucas for a while. They are staunch supporters of Michael... Neke says on 9/Sep/09
Why are people are getting so angry about people thinking Michael was taller/shorter than he was. I also don’t understand the countless pictures of Jackson with whoever (e.g. 5’3” Truman Capote) when who’s to say that person’s said height is setting stone itself? *confused*
Frank2: talked about Jackson’s police report height being exaggerated. How do you know the comment about Mesereau and Yu’s heights weren’t exaggerated (in the article)? You took them as fact all the same.
Comments seem to deviate away from height. I don’t see, Frank2, how it falls on you to say anyone who you don’t know led a ‘twisted life’. Comparing the life of someone you don’t know and someone who you do (the schoolteacher) is such a ridiculous argument. I’ve lost count the #of times you said you met him which is not synonymous with knowing him in the slightest.
‘Plus Jackson did zilch for African-Americans or blacks’- I don’t think you could possibly understand how insulting this statement is to many– plus you haven’t even backed it up with any of the evidence you supposedly love! How do you define representing black people in a positive light professionally then? You must know.
@ Frank2 - Re : The trial, allegations, his philanthropy. You seem very clouded by your obvious disdain for Jackson, plus indoctrinated by media speculation/tabloid trash rather than reading facts before you negatively judge a stranger. Michael did an extraordinary amount of charity work. As for this ‘gay’ thing, Michael had plenty of ‘friends’ who told people his ‘secrets’. If all ‘friends’ were reliable sources, Jackson would have had at least 200 long term ‘lovers’ between 1999-2009. I’ve lost count of all these ‘accounts’. Ah well, we all have to make money somehow...
This isn’t a rant but all these comments, and some others seem surprisingly short-sighted I felt compelled to write something. Frank2 says on 9/Sep/09
Bouncer, one more time. Go down to 2:10 in this video and tell me MJ isn't two inches shorter than 5'10" Prince Charles:
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MJ is obviously shorter than 5'10" Princess Diana who was wearing low heels that day. As you can see, she's the same hight as Prince Charles. Watch the entire video and tell me MJ was 5'9". If you can, you either need a better computer screen or glasses.
MJ with Princess Diana:
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And once again, Prince Charles Princess Diana with the Reagans:
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I sure see Reagan looking taller by two inches. And he didn't wear lifts either or.
5'10" Prince Charles and 5'11" George Bush:
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As for who's a better comedian - I readily acknowledge that you are. I mean the following remark still has me in stitches:
"Reagan wears middle heeled dress shoes and Jacksons shoes are flat as hell!"
Runner up award goes to Chen for this gem:
"I guess Michael has a very special spine so when in good condition he may look 5'10" but when his spine has a problem, as did the day he met frank2, he may look 5'8". But I think 5'9" is fair."
Hell! The more I think of it, Chen is the funnier guy! Anonymous says on 9/Sep/09
Bouncer, I met him. You didn't. leonari says on 9/Sep/09
Bouncer: Who should we trust a guy who actually met MJ or you? Frank2 is right on so many heights...I rather go with his estimate. RisingForce says on 9/Sep/09
If Michael is 5'10" then Eddie Murphy must be pushing 6 feet. Murphy himself claims to be 5'10" so that's obviously not the case and Brigitte Nielsen use to call him out on his height claim when they were filming Beverly Hills Cop 2. Murphy is probably closer to 5'9" and without a shadow of a doubt, he's taller than Michael. Bouncer says on 9/Sep/09
Frank2 says on 8/Sep/09
Bouncer, you're never going to accept what anyone says concerning MJ being less than the height you perceive he was. That's a given. It's like trying to argue with a turnip.
Funny, exactly the same i could say about you.
Talking about properties you have yourself is pretty comical, i have to admit: You're the better comedian.
But you know what's even more amusing? That you wrote at least 5 times, that you don't argue about MJ's height with others anymore and you still do. And you want to be taken seriously? Very funny. Anonymous says on 9/Sep/09
Chen, MJ was 5'8". Give it up. You're beating a dead horse. The second, full shot shows MJ standing in front so naturally he'll look taller. Perspective is everything. Go by when the two men are next to each other.
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Another full body shot on that day.
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Michael looked almost as tall as 6'2" Bill Clinton in this picture.
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I don't think Michael would wear a 6 inch heel on that occasion. So Michael could be 5'10" at his peak. RisingForce says on 9/Sep/09
Michael looks about 5'9.5" in cowboy boots. That makes sense considering he was shorter than Eddie Murphy in what looked like flat shoes and I think Murphy is 5-9ish barefoot. Big T says on 9/Sep/09
I've always felt that MJ looked 5'9" in the "In the Closet" video. He looked taller than Campbell imo, and balancing out the footwear and the height difference, I figure 5'9"ish. Could just be an illusion and I can certainly see 5'8", but I thought 5'9" there. Dural says on 8/Sep/09
Here are some pictures from the music video "In the closet" with 5'9.5" Naomi Campell.
Michael was in cowboy boots the same height as Naomi Campell barefoot. If Michael Jackson was at least 5'11", he would be about 6'1" in cowboy boots.
Obviously not the case.
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"Bouncer says on 8/Sep/09 -
MJ's shoes probably gave him only millimeters over barefoot height while Reagans dress shoes made him at least an inch taller. And that makes your "funny" little "mathematical direction" incorrect."
Now that's pretty funny. Have you thought about becoming a comedian? Frank2 says on 8/Sep/09
Bouncer, you're never going to accept what anyone says concerning MJ being less than the height you perceive he was. That's a given. It's like trying to argue with a turnip. Actually I prefer the turnip since it doesn't answer back.
Parker, as I stood there with Nancy holding my hand telling me about her husband who was the love of her life, I teared up. She saw this and squeezed my hand tightly.
When I saw her collapse onto the coffin of her husband during his funeral, I began to cry. Bouncer says on 8/Sep/09
Frank2 says on 8/Sep/09
Bouncer, mistake, my ass!
To be dull doesn't make you right, Frank2. Aren't you ashamed, i mean how old are you?
Frank2 says on 8/Sep/09
Subtract four inches from six feet and you get five feet eight!
Even if Reagan was 6'0 on this day, he wasn't it in front of Michael Jackson, because of his clear footwear advantage.
MJ's shoes probably gave him only millimeters over barefoot height while Reagans dress shoes made him at least an inch taller. And that makes your "funny" little "mathematical direction" incorrect.
If you call my conclusion that MJ may LOOKS 5'8 in front of Reagan but ISN'T because of both footwear a "silly dream" or "my ass", you're just ignorant, and that doesn't make you right but pathetic, sorry, but that's the truth.
I just agree with Rob and see MJ around 5'9 and you hate him, that's ok, you can hate whoever you want, but not in such an mediocre way on a truth finding motivated site. Parker says on 8/Sep/09
You brought a lump to my throat Frank, my Mum died of Alzheimers - horrible disease. Frank2 says on 8/Sep/09
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Ronald Reagan was six feet even when he was president. Just check out all the photos of him with George H.W. Bush who was 6'2". Reagan is clearly two inches shorter. This is such nonsense. Frank2 says on 8/Sep/09
Bouncer, mistake, my ass! Reagan might be listed at 6'1", but that was when he was in his prime. Later on when he was president he was 6' even. I know since I met him several times. He was an inch taller than me.
Here's Reagan with 6'2" George H.W. Bush:
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Clearly Bush is two inches taller.
You can live in your silly dream world till doomsday, but that doesn't negate the truth. MJ was 5'8". And yes, he was clearly four inches shorter than Reagan. Subtract four inches from six feet and you get five feet eight!
MY GOD! Is there any end to this silliness? Anonymous says on 7/Sep/09
Um, Parker---Nancy Reagan is 5'4".
She wasn't that much taller than Mother Teresa (who is like, 4'10"...) Antonio says on 7/Sep/09
Frank, I miss Reagan, too. I think he was our nations best.
I always thought Michael was 5-9, but I think he could have been 5-8 minimum.
By the way, depending how you look at it, either all or none of these debates are silly!!! Frank2 says on 7/Sep/09
Well, Nancy is now in her eighties and I'm sure has lost height. I worked with her right after Reagan left office. She needed a studio to record her anti-drug campaign so since the Reagans had an office in the Fox Plaza (the DIE HARD building) she decided to use a stage on the next door Fox lot. I met with her and her assistant, and then at a later date she came down to record. She did this twice over a period of several months. I liked her a lot. She was very kind to me. In fact, years later, I ran into her at The Grill in Beverly Hills where she was seated across from me with her best friend Betsy Bloomingdale. I walked over, introduced myself and she remembered me. I then inquired how her husband was doing. She took my hand and held it the entire time we spoke as she related how Alzheimer's had taken its toll on the former president. Very sad.
Anyway, I'd say Nancy was about 5'4" peak. Today she's probably 5'2" if that which is why she's just about the same height as Michael J. Fox who's 5'4". Bouncer says on 7/Sep/09
Frank2 says on 6/Sep/09
Reagan was six feet. Jackson is clearly four inches shorter.
Well, here's the mistake: This site lists Reagan at 6'1
I took a picture where MJ looks taller and you didn't acclaim it, but to bring your 5'8 claim out you always take pictures. Parker says on 7/Sep/09
Actually Frank, Nancy Reagan may be a tad shorter than 5'7 in heels. Not quite sure if she has them on here.
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Or maybe its just a more recent pic and she is starting to lose height.
Whatever, your pics have convinced me Michael was 5'8 Tops, particularly that pic with Murphy. Chen says on 7/Sep/09
Gentlemen, let's just take a look at the above picture on this page. Mr. Alan Light most likely wore a pair of Nike. And Michael? The texture of the pants shows it's probably flannel. So Michael most likely wore his usual dance shoes.(probably with white socks) So we could ignore the shoe factor. Then you can see both of them not standing straight. Mr. Light leaned a little but Michael leaned more plus he hunched. 5'10.5" plus one inch difference due to posture and minus three inches difference as shown in the picture. So we get 5'8.5" for Michael. 5'8.5" is the very least. It's just some people round down but I round up to 5'9". Frank2 says on 7/Sep/09
Bouncer, you're now acting foolish. "Reagan wears middle heeled dress shoes and Jacksons shoes are flat as hell!" That one along with MJ's adjustable spine remark tells me that you as well as few others live in a fanciful dream world. Well, enjoy it. I'm finished arguing here. MJ was 5'8". PERIOD!!!! Ada says on 7/Sep/09
Before anyone even tries to guesstimate heights from pictures, get your perspectives right! Foreground, taller, background, shorter. I'm guessing some of you think that stars are really the size of grains of salt? Sheesh.... Austrian says on 7/Sep/09
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in this video u can see hes shorter than Paul McCartney in all parts
i think its safe to say that MJ can never have been 5'11 :)
5'9 is probably pretty much it Frank2 says on 6/Sep/09
Here's Nancy Reagan showing she was not very tall:
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Left to right, 6' Douglas Fairbanks Jr. Nancy and 5'7" Grace Kelly. Nancy always wore high heels. Kelly wore low heels.
Nancy in heels was still about 6 inches shorter than her husband:
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So Reagan was 6'1" in shoes. Subtract six inches and you come up with 5'7" in heels. MJ always appeared about two inches taller than Nancy. That means in regular loafers he was 5'9".
Nancy and MJ:
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And the couple of photos showing MJ with Nelson Mandela....well, they stuck MJ on a box. Look at the difference in the length of the two men's legs:
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Plus Mandela sure has big feet!
Oh, just to end this crap, here a video of MJ with Mandela:
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So if Mandela was truly 6'1" (some have erroneously listed him at 6'4" which is pure rubbish) then MJ is five inches shorter making him 5'8".
Now, Bouncer, don't tell me MJ doesn't look like he's 5'8". If you do I'll know you're just goofing around. And don't try to sell me that Mandela was 6'4" It won't wash.
Mandela with 6'2" Bill Clinton:
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6'1" Al Gore with Mandela:
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I could go on and on, but I believe I've shown enough to prove my point to everyone except those who are blinded by their devotion to MJ. Frank2 says on 6/Sep/09
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Mj with 5'7" Cher:
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5'7" Tom Cruise and Cher:
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I've met Cher. Stood right beside her when she wore tennis shoes and she's definitely 5'6". No question about it. She likes to wear four inch heels which makes her around 5'9" (You don't gain four inches from four-inch spiked heels. Not unless you add platforms. My wife proved that one to me)
Cruise with his magic elevators with Cher:
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Don't forget: In this video Reagan wears middle heeled dress shoes and Jacksons shoes are flat as hell!
Considering Reagans major footwear advantage, Jackson looks a good 5'9.5 most of the time. Frank2 says on 6/Sep/09
MJ meets Princess Diana and Prince Charles:
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MJ is wearing loafers with one inch heels. Prince Charles who is 5'10" is clearly two inches taller than MJ. If you cannot admit to it, I know you're full of it. I met Charles when he visited Universal back in the 1970s. He was clearly shorter than me. I remember being surprised. I had alway felt he was my height or even 6'. He wasn't.
Here's Prince Charles and Princess Diana with Reagan:
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No doubt, Bouncer will claim he sees no difference. You can lead a horse to water.... Frank2 says on 6/Sep/09
Sorry Bouncer, but either you need frigging glasses or you're just goofing around. Reagan towers over him. Are you saying MJ looks merely an inch or two shorter? If so, I give up. You won't change your mind for any reason. Reagan was six feet. Jackson is clearly four inches shorter. Nancy who's standing next to MJ was a tiny woman. I know since I worked with her. In heels she was quite short. MJ is just two inches taller than Nancy.
Like I've said, it's sort of like a sane person arguing with mental patients. Perhaps you believe in Bigfoot or that 9//11 was pulled off by Bush or that no human ever stepped on the moon, that it was all done on a soundstage. I sometimes wonder about the mental state today's generation. Bouncer says on 6/Sep/09
Sorry, Frank2, where in the video you can clearly see MJ being 5'8? Frank2 says on 6/Sep/09
Bouncer, why do you use one shot to justify your claim when all the others disproves it. They're walking outside. Reagan is most likely on a down step while Jackson is all the way up. Watch people when the walk. The go up and down by several inches.
If this doesn't end this silly debate, nothing will:
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God! How I miss Reagan. Bouncer says on 5/Sep/09
STRANGE!!
On this full body pic Michael Jackson looks clearly taller than 5'8, although he has flat shoes and Reagan has some kind of dress shoes:
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Still, he wasn't any taller than 5'8". I'd lay hard cash on that.
After a while you can tell when you're around someone just how tall they are. I was in the same room with Jackson for at least an hour. He was up and down, running out onto the stage and then back into the mix booth. He wasn't any taller than 5'8". He was extremely thin and that was back in the 1980s. Being that thin made him look taller from a distance. But when he got up and close I could easily see he was three inches shorter than me.
Eddie Murphy is 5'9". So Jackson should appear and inch shorter. I've seen Murphy as well and no way is he 5'10".
In my various searches, I found a handful of shots showing MJ to appear taller, but then I'd find others where they negated it. Case in point. Look at the first shot of him walking out of the White House with the Reagans:
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But then look at the rest:
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I go by the body of evidence. One shot where he appears to be taller versus all the rest where he's visibly shorter. And he didn't have an adjustable spine that he could crank up and down at will. He wasn't slouching. He wasn't a double.
Bottom line is, some people will believe what they wish to believe, and no matter what evidence is shoved right in front of them, they will go on believing it till the day they die. Chen says on 5/Sep/09
Frank2
I'll have to admit that you're a very good data miner. Michael did look slightly shorter than he usually is in those photos and video clips you posted. But the point is, in the process of searching, there must be some photos that you found in which Michael appears to be taller than 5'9". So how about posting some of those pics?
I know you take no pleasure in watching MJ's MV, but I suggest you watch his MV-Remember The Time once again
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There is a brief moment that MJ stands closely to Eddie Murphy and their height are just the same. Toward the end of the MV before MJ morphs into a pile of sands he also looks not much shorter than 6'10" Magic Johnson. RisingForce says on 5/Sep/09
Jackson was dwarfed by Reagan and isn't much taller than Lucas. Frank2 says on 4/Sep/09
MJ with Hugh Hefner:
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Hefner was 5'9" in his prime and is now barely 5'7".
Hef with Bill Cosby:
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MJ with George Lucas and Francis Ford Coppola:
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We all know Lucas is short. Just how short is up to conjecture. Coppola was about 5'10", but due to his excessive weight is now around 5'9".
Here's Francis with 6' Nick Cage:
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Francis with 6'2" James Cameron:
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Frank2 says on 4/Sep/09
I take it if Rob changes it to say he was 5'8", that will mean you'll accept he was 5'8"?
I wouldn't believe it "just like that", but on the other side, isn't there a good reason why Rob lists heights?
Telling Rob that you have your personal "proof" he was 5'8 is something i would call helping, not "ordering around".
I bet Rob is very thankful for any help finding the truth.
Isn't that a good reason to tell him?
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