Carl says on 10/Jul/07
Elvis to be put back to 6foot, this is inly fair now with all the factual evidence that has been provided or this website is biased and does not rely on facts that are given to be taken into consideration. It has been proved once and for all Elvis was indeed 6ft tall.

Ramiro says on 10/Jul/07
It looks like Rob has cleaned the forum, I understand. But now, to clarify things again, I have to say one more time that the rules of measurements that Vandam gave below are only for the U.S. Army Weight Control Program and only for that purpose. Those rules were in force since 1981 and the form appliable for the Weight Control Program was approved in 1986. The rules to measure soldiers at their induction and for other purposes not being the Weight Control Program are the ones I gave on 4/july/2007 and you'll see them below. Stories told by soldiers have no value, they only know what their "Recording Of Medical Examination" form say and nothing about concrete procedures. It's legendary the capacity of soldiers to tell stories and not all of them are exactly accurate. We have the U.S. Army regulations and don't have to hear or read nothing more. What were the regulations in force at the time of Elvis' days in the army? We don't know for sure, but there is a big probability that were very similar to the ones on today's regulation 40-501, that contains general rules for medical examinations and a form of "Recording Of Medical Examination" very similar to the ones used with Elvis. They say clearly that heights should be measured in bare feet and rounded to the nearest quarter of inch. We don't know for sure if Elvis was rounded down or up, so it's unfair to say that he surely was rounded up. His height could be rounded down aswell. What we know for sure is that Elvis fulfilled anthropometrical standards for doctors to be considered a 6' tall man in at least three medical exams and that the only one that states 71'' or 5'11''(the one of his induction on march 24, 1958)was completely invalid due to the extraordinary circumstances surrounding it and that for sure downgraded Elvis' height, being only one of them that Elvis didn't go to bed during all the day and all the night before his induction. This is a scientifically proved cause of height loss. Also, Elvis was measured just one year before his induction exactly at the same place, with the same procedure and "Report Of Medical Examination", under regular conditions and with the result of 72'' or 6'. Which celebrity has more proofs of his height than Elvis? How many have his height stated on this site as 6' or whatever without solid proofs?

Aphrodite says on 5/Jul/07
Rob if you don't put Elvis at 6'0" your site is not reliable and you are being manipulated by a one guy name vandam!

3) Elvis passed exactly the same medical
examination in exactly the same place just one year
before for his pre-induction and he was measured at
6’.
As a conclusion it is fair to say that,
according to the medical examinations made in the
army, as historians and researchers have said, Elvis
was 6’ tall. We have evidences enough to say that,
more than the majority of the celebrities for sure."

Aphrodite says on 5/Jul/07
vandam also showed junk website stating Elvis was 5'11" where as 95% of other sites stating Elvis' height was 6'0" or 6'0.5"!

Put Elvis height back to 6'0". vandam is misleading most of the readers here! Tsk tsk tsk!

vandam says on 5/Jul/07
im sorry ramiro i will have to dissagree with you i im part of a forum where i talk with actual army men and women who just went trough the exam or did just a couple a years ago , no fantasy story (and i can read very well in english by the way even if im french )and the link you have on her about the procedure are not from the right page what you have is concerning body fat versus weight nothing to do with height the actual test they have for height is what you see below as taken on us army site (I WILL POST THE ACTUAL LINK LATER ON TODAY
found this on a us army recruits site :

Height will be measured in stocking feet on a flat surface with the chin parallel to the floor. The body should be straight but not rigid, similar to the position of attention. The measurement will be rounded to the nearest inch with the following guidelines:
If the height fraction is less than 1/2 inch, round down.
If the height fraction is 1/2 inch or greater, round up.
Weight should be measured and recorded to the nearest pound.
All measurements will be taken in the APFT( MEANING IN SHORTS )uniform.
Add 6 pounds per inch for males and 5 pounds per inch for females measuring over 80 inches tall.

as I said your document as 2 measurements 5 11 and 6 feet so it is not a conclusion without a reasonnable doubt !! it leaves alot of doubts on his height and on proceedures cause you have no idea what were the procedures cause if the people i talk to on the site dont exactly know on the us army site forum you surely dont know !

Ramiro says on 5/Jul/07
Albert Goldman?? He is the less reliable source regarding Elvis in the entire world. He hates Elvis more than any other thing. His book about Elvis has being credited with the worst critics and is regarded as a piece of **** with 0 credibility and 0 seriousness and reliability. Then we'd have to believe too in those who say that Elvis was 6'2''. Neither one thing nor the other. Anonymous, no one can accurately say that someone's height is this or that by watching at him. The only scientifical and reliable source are medical examinations made to Elvis, and there were several to make us being pretty sure of Elvis' actual height. After all this discussion, is there any reason to maintain Elvis' height stated under 6', as we still see on this page, or to put it over 6'? No, there isn't. But there are many reasons to put it back to 6', because in all but one of the medical examinations he fulfilled the anthropometrical standards to be a 6' man; and the only one where he was measured at 71'' was done under all the circumstances that it is scientifically proved that seriously downgrade height. What proof better than Elvis being measured one year before of his induction at the same place, with the same procedure and "Report Of Medical Examination" and under regular conditions with the result of 6'?

Anonymous says on 5/Jul/07
It's impossible to be sure on this one. Maybe people who knew him personally could say but they aren't going to be posting on here. Albert Goldman in his muckraking bio of Elvis said Elvis was 5'11'' and had a complex about being too short. I would guess between 5'11'' and 6ft.

Ramiro says on 5/Jul/07
I enjoyed too, thank you Vandam. The information I gave regarding military procedures on measuring heights and all physical information is exactly the official one, the way doctors have to follow. Of course, it is legendary the capacity of recruits to tell stories about their military days, stories where you can find one thing, the contrary and even the absurd very frequently; sorry if I'm being unfair with those who aren't that way. I've read those forums too. The only unquestionable thing are the official military regulations, they are clear and leave very little space for doubts. If Elvis is not recognized as a 6' tall man then nobody who is 6' tall could be recognized, because the same reasons to say that Elvis' height was rounded up are in force to say that everyone who is 6' has his height rounded up. Why? We don't have any proof to say this and Elvis' height COULD BE ROUNDED DOWN ASWELL. Do you know anybody whose height is exactly 6' or whatever, without exceeding it or being below of it by any margin, and measuring always exactly the same in all time and circumstances? If so he should be studied by science as an extraterrestrial. When someone is measured and his height is stated by doctors at 6' tall is because, according with anthropometrical procedures, he has fulfilled the standards to be considered a 6' tall man. We all are nobody to deny this. It's gratifying to see at the top of this page at least the explanation of the army records I provided, but I think that it would be fair to put Elvis' height back to 6' at the very top, because he was a legitimate 6' tall man with more credibility than perhaps many who have their heights stated without so solid proofs.

vandam says on 4/Jul/07
concerning military proceedures , i got other information from recruits themselves they got measured in ther induction in the army and they had specific ways of doing things and was not only for fat or weight measuring ! and we dont know for sure what they were at the time either (IN THE 1950'S)! So you cant say that you are sure at a 100% that is height was not rounded up or down . But lets say the difference between a 511.5 guy and a 6 feet guy really slim at plain view so who cares , this was just to try to prove a point . and my point here is that theres no garantie or proof that they never rounded up his height .
REALLY THIS LEFT TO ROB TO CHOOSE WHAT HE BELIEVES
TO BE HONEST HIS HEIGHT HIS REALLY INPOSSIBLE TO BE ACCURATE ON THE DOT 35 YEARS LATER !

rAMIRO i ENJOYED CHATTING WITH YOU
TAKE CARE !

mike says on 4/Jul/07
well done Ramiro, as you have stated we now have official documentation relating to elvis' height which we don't see with other celebs.I believe that it is time for Elvis to be upgraded

Ramiro says on 4/Jul/07
Thank you for your compliments Vandam and Editor and thank you again Rob for this space on internet, it has been a pleasure for me to share all this with us. Regarding Elvis' height measured with his footwear on, it has been said that it was 6'1 3/4'' and 6'1 1/2'' aswell. By the way, did you noticed how easy is to misunderstand on spoken english "six feet and a half" and to confuse it with "six feet and one half"?. I've been reading many captions put beside Time-Life Magazine's pics at Getty Images and there are several mistakes; even the one on Elvis' measurement picture has some mistakes: it says that Elvis is only in his skivvies and it seems that he is wearing footwear; it could be a mistake or it would mean that the text is refering to another measurement made without footwear. Then, on date created it says "march 26" and Elvis passed his medical examination at Memphis' Kennedy Veterans Hospital on 24 march; on march 26 he was at Fort Chaffee. I think that those captions are only explanations of the pics but not necessarily the ones made at the moment by the magazine. Vandam, I insist, current army rules to measure recruits at their induction in the U.S. army say clearly that their heights should be rounded to the nearest quarter of inch. The rules you mention are only to determine body fat standards from time to time in the army. Just go to this site and see that those rules you mention are not used for new accessions:
Click Here

Then you can go to the next site to see army regulation 40-501 used for new accesions and scroll down to page 109, item box number 53. There you'll find current rules to determine new recruit's height at their induction (it's a Recording of Medical Examination very similar to the ones made to Elvis):
Click Here
Anyway, we don't know the rules in force at the time of Elvis' induction. Not only Elvis but everyone who is 6' tall isn't exactly 6', he could be a little less but a little more aswell. We don't have any proof to support if he was a little more or a little less. But we have several measurements stating 6' or 72'', so Elvis was tall enough for doctors to record his height as 6'. And the only one that says 71''( and very likely very close to 6' seeing the other measurements) was done under extraordinary conditions that made this measurement invalid. It's sure that being out of bed for so long before the examination downgraded Elvis' height, it's a scientifically proved consequence; and the other factors I mentioned at least didn't helped. No, I can't compare my situation when I was inducted with Elvis' one because Elvis' one was worse than mine by sidereal margin. As I've said and documentally proved, Elvis underwent exactly the same procedure, the same medical examination, at exactly the same place (Kennedy Veterans Hospital) on january 4, 1957, about one year before his induction, and he was measured at 6'. This coincides aswell with what Elvis himself said about his height even before all these measurements and after them. I honestly think that it would be unfair to be so fussy and touchy regarding Elvis' height when we have so solid proofs about his height and we even know the concrete circumstances surrounding all this. To have these proofs should be an advantage and not a disadvantage. My humble opinion is that Elvis has his height proved with a lot more accuracy than many of other celebrities have using pics, footage, someone beside them or gossip.

vandam says on 4/Jul/07
carl: the only thing ramiro as proven is that there was measurement at 5 11 aswell as 6 feet ! my post with him in front of cameras with 6.05 measurement cannot be discarded and the possibilities of him bein being rounded up is there
aswell !!

Carl says on 4/Jul/07
Ramiro has proven with 'FACTUAL EVIDENCE' that ELVIS PRESLEY was six foot! Time for an upgrade!

vandam says on 3/Jul/07
Sorry for misunderstanding the "Jibber Jabber" expression my first language is french , probably noticed by my wrtting , may not interprete your expressions the same way ! :) I aplogize

But I agree with you that it does suggest he was not 6 feet tall ,as for the 6,05 feet it is the press at the time of his pre-medical examinations that was present when the guy measuring him as you see on the pics was probably asked what was his height was by the press present and told them 6.05 feet ! and was obviously measured later on , his back on the wall (The pic from TJ) cause in the army the proceedure is barefeet , heels against a wall and chin upwards a bit to give the precise height ( got this info from an army personel I can post it if you want ) and I think the 5 11 measurements came from that day !
still it is my opinion ,even with this amzing piece of history posted by Ramiro (thanks again ) it leaves a gap !

vandam says on 3/Jul/07
Editor Rob : Yes it is nice to see these papers for sure ! :) .
But I dont considere the procedures I posted as Jibber jabber as you say and about 5 confirmations from actual military men and women (not posted here) from the us army site indicating that rounding up/down heights was a proceedure during induction .all i'm saying the theorie that Ramiro about stress and insomia and whatsoever lots of this are assumptions each person reacts differently to each situations he cant compare his reactions he had with maybe what elvis felt ! there are a 5 11 recorded and 6 as well !!
so the theorie of rounding up still stands

What is your opinion of this if I may ask ? (rob)

vandam says on 3/Jul/07
and by the way Ramiro : great stuff !

but only one thing you dont know for sure what was the procedures at the time and the ones I posted were the procedures for a new recruit but for todays forces , dont know for the ones half a century ago . but if you guys think he was actually 6 feet upgrade him if you want ! and why Time life magazine would write 6.05 feet ? we know that was not an official height measurement cause he was wearing his boots and explains why it is not written in his file !

vandam says on 3/Jul/07
EDITOR ROB : so now you are assuming that his height was not rounded up at all !

Ramiro says on 3/Jul/07
Thank you Rob. On the text I made a little mistake: it's "Armed Forces Of The United States Report For Transfer or Discharge" and not "For Transfer or Report".

Editor Rob says on 3/Jul/07
Thanks to Ramiro who actually came through and got these documents. As we know in the past others have said some nonsense about documents having 6ft 1.5 w/boots etc mentioned in medicals or someone else not wanting to show a document.

At least now, there were 5 or so records, most listing him 6 foot, 1 showing 5ft 11. I will only post the portions of interest:
Click Here


Ramiro says:
"Official army reports of medical examinations
cover a period between January 4, 1957 and February
22, 1960. They show height in complete inches and do
not mention any fraction of inch. There are at least
four medical examinations made to Elvis where his
height is recorded, and in three of them it is stated
as 6’ or 72”; only in one (the one of his induction on
March 24, 1958) his height is stated as 71”, so they
put only the last inch reached even if there was a
little margin to reach 6’ (as it should happened
seeing the other measurements). The 6’ figure appears
not only on reports of medical examinations but on
other documents like his “Armed Forces of The United
States Report for Transfer or Report”.
Regarding his induction medical exam, there are
some very important circumstances to note:
1) With Elvis we have the luck to have those
moments of his life documented almost minute by
minute. We know for sure that he didn’t sleep the
night before his induction on March 24, 1958; he was
out of bed all the day 23 and all the night. He
suffered chronic insomnia all of his life and these
days the problems increased highly. This entire
situation is sure that affected Elvis’ height to
downgrade it on March 24.
2) During his induction, medical examination
included, there was a never before or after seen
circus of journalists, cameras… making this moment
even more oppressive for Elvis. I remember that when I
was inducted into the army here in Spain, during the
medical examination there was a mixture of nerves,
insecurity, the sensation of entering in a strange
world and this with me and dozens of other soldiers
nude, rounded of military doctors and nurses and with
two injections waiting for us. It was a difficult
moment to be straight on height chart when a martial
voice came from doctor’s mouth to say: “don’t stretch
and put feet this way!!; then I ended slouching and,
of course, I was measured under my real height. If I
were famous, a fool like me could go to archives and
think that I’m 174 cm when I’m 176. In the case of
Elvis it’s sure that all these oppressive
circumstances were not only much higher than mine, but
perhaps amongst the highest of all time. But we are
lucky enough to have his height recorded not once but
four times to arrive to his real height taken in more
regular conditions.
3) Elvis passed exactly the same medical
examination in exactly the same place just one year
before for his pre-induction and he was measured at
6’.
As a conclusion it is fair to say that,
according to the medical examinations made in the
army, as historians and researchers have said, Elvis
was 6’ tall. We have evidences enough to say that,
more than the majority of the celebrities for sure."

Ramiro says on 3/Jul/07
Vandam, I've seen these army rules of measurement you mention yet. They are exclusively for the programs of body fat standards and these rules are different from the ones they follow to measure height at induction, where they round heights to the nearest quarter of inch, as I've posted here some time ago. Anyway, military rules change from time to time and there are continuous changes and updates. As I said before, on army papers there's no trace of a measurement made with footwear and no trace of 6'0.5''. I'm now emailing Rob all the data with my comments to get it posted here. I hope that you can enjoy it.

joe says on 2/Jul/07
Estimates of Elvis's height range from 5'11" to 6'2". It is unclear from photographs of him being measured for the Army in 1958 whether he was wearing his boots at the time. While he certainly appeared quite tall on stage, he often wore built up shoes. Most estimates agree Elvis was around 6'0" even.

vandam says on 2/Jul/07
Got this on a site called : ASKABOUT.COM:US MILITARY FORUM
MY QUESTIONS WAS : US MILTARY COMMON PRACTICES CONCERNING HEIGHT
ANSWER:
I'm in the Air Force, so I don't know about the Army's way of doing things. But I remember when I was first measured for my height back at MEPS. They do the measurements without shoes on. It was the same thing in basic training. When we went to get our height and weight done, we were instructed to remove our boots. However, if you go to the hospital or whatnot and you have to get your height measured for some reason or another, they don't make you take your boots off. But as for perspective military members, I would say that they have them remove their shoes/boots.

vandam says on 2/Jul/07
so what I think is that when the press was around while he did his pre-induction physical , (non-official measurement)he ws wearing he boots and was measured at 6.05 and that measurement was tranfered trough the media . then he got his official measurements barefoot and that measurement was entered in his file ! rounded up at 6 feet .that I think sound possible

vandam says on 2/Jul/07
found this on a us army recruits site :

Height will be measured in stocking feet on a flat surface with the chin parallel to the floor. The body should be straight but not rigid, similar to the position of attention. The measurement will be rounded to the nearest inch with the following guidelines:
If the height fraction is less than 1/2 inch, round down.
If the height fraction is 1/2 inch or greater, round up.
Weight should be measured and recorded to the nearest pound.
All measurements will be taken in the APFT uniform.
Add 6 pounds per inch for males and 5 pounds per inch for females measuring over 80 inches tall.

so if elvis was 6.05 barefoot it would of been rounded up to 6.1 according to military procedures! and as alot of you guys claim that he was 6 feet , then maybe he was measured at 5 11.5 and rounded up at 6 feet that might explain the 6 feet that ramiro talks about .

vandam says on 2/Jul/07
Ramiro even if you come up with a statement in your documents that says 6.05 , for sure it wont say ya he was wearing his boots , again it is logic . Time life magazine is a world known source that was present from a to z that day , and was ducumenting every step of the process knowing this was an historical moment in musical history ! so the comments on top of the pics was what was going on at that precise moment ! there were probably 2 measurements and the one you have seen his the one taken with his boots on and that is a common thing they do ( to measure with boots I've done reasearch on that ) and he was 6.05 WITH the boots !! you can bring youre scanned papers on the site if you want it will say the same probably the 6.05 will appear and as fare as I know he was measured only twice in the army not many times as you say during his service what would be the point of that ! you get you measurement when drafted for your clothes and thats it

Ramiro says on 2/Jul/07
Vandam and all of you, I already have the copies of Elvis' army papers. The National Records and Archives Administration of the U.S.A. has sent it to me, and they arrived at last. They've sent to me not only every medical exam made to Elvis but every paper of his military history. I'll scan medical exams and send them to Rob to put them in this site with comments. I'm still studying and classifying them. As long as I've been able to see until now, if Elvis was measured with boots there is no trace of that measurement in any medical exam and this has sense to me because a height with boots (if taken) hasn't any medical value and perhaps was taken only to see if the soldier fulfills the standards without recording it. Be patient, I'll scan and send all that exists on Elvis' measured height.

vandam says on 2/Jul/07
but theres no need for downgrades!!

vandam says on 2/Jul/07
carl I dont wanna be rude but you post make no sense to me thats just assumptions and wishfull thinking , from the start you wanted him at 6 foot !! just look at what i posted with his pic and exam and be logic for once ! he was measured at 6.05 wearing at least an inch height shoe so you do the math !! and the conclusion of the debate was made earlier good try Carl !!

vandam says on 2/Jul/07
i dont know what else you need Ramiro , he had his boots on and was measured at 6.05 ! his spine is not a spring fluctuating from an inch to another . the guy was measured at his dayly normal height , he probably stands at 5 11 3 quarters early in the morning but after a couple of hours he his maybe 5 11.5 !! but this pic concludes that elvis presley was not a solid 6 footer thats all it is ! and your 6 foot mark that you talk about his exactly what you see on this page this is the exam he took and was measured at 6.05 wearing his boots written in black and white what else do you need .

Carl says on 2/Jul/07
Food for thought: Now if as Vandam or Ramiro mention and stand on numerous occasions regarding the subject in matter 'Elvis', if it does not really bother you both and you believe in your comments and stand by them then why continue to add your comments on this page?

Look at this practically and rationally without emotions and passion all involved as a person looking through this site, would it not be just fair and very simply to end this silly 1/4 or 1/2 or 3/4 inch debate by doing simple math and looking at the mean average in this matter:

1) It has been stated on a number of occasions that Elvis was 6.05inch or 6.1.05 or 5.11 3/4 and finally 5.11 1/2, so really in very simple and plain terms the mean average if you use your brain rationally is that Elvis must have been 6ft even not more and not less! Also remember posture and various measuring methods can make your height vary by a good inch, I myself have been measured with doctors and for insurance companies with varying heights but it depends on time of day, what they used in terms of measuring you, your posture etc, so I always look at the mean average of all these statistics and take the mean average for my heght which is a far way realistic view of anaylizing ones height!

It's really as simple as that.

Hope this helps but guys come on stop been so defensive with such a small margin of difference, think practically and use simple math and you will get a very simple answer and conclusion to this debate! Elvis was 6ft on the nose but just! Kind Regards,

Carl

Ramiro says on 2/Jul/07
Nobody's height is exactly the same in all circumstances. It depends on the part of the day it is taken, the concrete position of body, the hours you've slept or not and many other physical and even psychological circumstances. As a consequence, we can talk about a "peak height" for everyone, and these are the ones used in this site to state celebrities' heights, but that height can be less under particular conditions. This applies not only to Elvis, it applies to every human being. Regarding Elvis, I'll prove in a few days that he reached the 6' mark on different army medical exams from january 4, 1957 to january 22, 1960. This is, at least, his peak height (because it could be even higher).

Anonymous says on 1/Jul/07
Time for a downgrade Rob..to at least 5'11.5

vandam says on 1/Jul/07
just look at this page and see the different heights you can get from shoes!
specially the ones you get from boots
Click Here

vandam says on 1/Jul/07
TJ : i was going with what I was reading on the net I nver really believed he was 5 11 3 quarters. and never mentioned 6 feet I wrote 6.05 and that measurement is with boots ! so if he was measured with boots the 5 11 3quarters is not to plausible in my mind I always thought he was around 5 11.5 by looking at pics and with from personal encounters from people !!read all the other posts and you will see that i mention 5 11.5 and what is the purpoe of this anyway by saying that , you got the pic and the height in front of you . this is the best proof posted till now on this board .

TJ says on 1/Jul/07
Case closed vandam, except you previously posted that you have two other army physical records, with one at 5'11.75 and one at 6ft, so 5'11.5 seems wrong. Of course the actual size of a heel is greater than the extra height you get from wearing them, as some of the ladies on this board keep pointing out.

vandam says on 30/Jun/07
Click Here

another cool pic of him

vandam says on 30/Jun/07
Elvis Presley
Singer/Army Pvt. Elvis Presley clad only in his skivvies as he stands on scale while Army doctor measures his height at 6 1/2 at pre-induction physical examination at Kennedy Veterans Hospital. (Photo by Don Cravens//Time Life Pictures/Getty Images)
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was taken on this site :Click Here
read for yourself when clicking on the pic !! written same thing as above
6.05 wearing his boots so minus boots take at least an inch off
so 5 11.5!!
case close!!!

TJ says on 28/Jun/07
On the lines on the pic point Vandam, I'm not sure what you don't see. I know there are four other lines above the 5ft one, but I just didn't mention the final 6'3 as it didn't seem relevant. At the risk of sending everyone to sleep, here's my explanation of why the lines are likely as I posted. There are five lines, but the gap between those five is not 1ft - it's more like 16 inches. I think the gap between the first line (at his shoulder) and the three above make up 1ft because the alternative doesn't make sense. For example, if the top line was 6ft, the three below would have to be in increments of four inches, so 5'8, 5'4 and the 5'0 under Elvis's ear. That's highly unlikely because it would mean the bottom line is 4ft 4, with no marking for 4ft 8. Not only is 4'4 too low for Elvis' shoulder, but why would they jump from 4'4 to 5'0? You can see why they would skip 5'3, but not 4'8.

TJ says on 28/Jun/07
vandam, interesting that you mention the two annual physicals - one with him at 5ft 11.75 and one at 6ft. As commonly mentioned on this site, people shrink up to half an inch during the course of a day. Do you rule out the possibility that he was actually measured at 6ft for one physical because it was earlier in the day than the other physical? Or do you think they 100% must have rounded up?

vandam says on 28/Jun/07
i dont know why you are all jumping to conclusion so fast , the last pic rob he had up here on top if im not mistaken he was in briefs and with the boots , so nothing is sure , and again you cant see the numbers at ALL on the chart ! if i wanted i could have my own conclusion and and assume otherwise with the chart ,not clear enough. and Ramiro remember this :
Anonymous says on 13/Nov/06
Something that is very humerous is that people here keep refering to the induction papers as "evidence" of Elvis's true height, forgetting of course that his height was rounded up to 6ft. There is no paper (that I am aware of) that state Elvis's height as anything over 6ft from the US Army. I have original documents from the service which include, but are not limited to the original hand filled out form from the induction showing Elvis as 5'11 3/4. I also have copies of both of his annual physicals. One listing his height as 6ft, the other as 5'11 3/4. Why is this so mystifying? I am not sure what the big deal is 1/4 of inch. When people ask me how tall Elvis was, I say 6ft. If they say, "wow I thought he was much taller than that", then I add is actual height. There is an overwhelming abundance of documents, physical artifacts etc proving:

A. Elvis was 5'11 3/4 barefoot
B. For a time Elvis wore lifts in both stage/ personal wardrobe

Ramiro time to face the music. MANY celebrities did, and still do wear lifts in thier shoes. Big deal. there is no shame, nor stigma in Hollywood about it. I was born and raised in Hollywood. My family has been in the buisness for years, as have I, what is the big deal about lifts? Bottom line, Elvis was a normal person, and was of normal height for a man.

there s two numbers that comes up 5 11 3quarters and 6.05 this pic im sorry proves nothing

Aphrodite says on 28/Jun/07
I think Rob should put back Elvis height to 6'0.5" which is accurate.

Aphrodite says on 28/Jun/07
vandam,

Elvis was only wearing brief in that picture. Can you imagine a guy who was measured only wearing brief who was wearing boots. That's so hilarious! LOL!

vandam says on 27/Jun/07
I blew up the pic trying to follow the logic of TJ what he is saying about the numbers on the chart , you say TJ that 5feet3 and then skipped to 5f6 feet , 5feet9 and 6feet , after the supposutly 5 feet at his shoulders theres 4 other figures appearing on the chart . I cant see what you see sorry , i wish i could !!
ROB , do you see this ??

vandam says on 27/Jun/07
you dont knows guys if he his wearing his boots ot not !!!
cant see his feet and cant see the numbers on the chart ! you guys have good vision

Ramiro says on 27/Jun/07
Yes TJ, I've seen this before. But I think that this is one of the measurements made in Fort Chaffee to give Elvis suitable military clothes one day or two after his medical exam in Memphis. I think that both measurements of height (with and without boots) took place in Memphis at the stadiometer. In the height chart of the pic you provide you can see that Elvis is over 6 feet, but it is difficult, if not impossible, to fix the exact height because there isn't a ruler to stop it on Elvis' head. I doubt that they used it to state Elvis' height. Just remember the black guy who is behind Elvis waiting his turn to be measured (the pic with Elvis apparently wearing footwear). He is holding something in his right hand and I'm sure that they are his boots to be measured first without and then with them. Elvis also is holding a bag in his right hand while being measured.

TJ says on 26/Jun/07
We've seen the pic of Elvis being measured with the stadometer on here and seen that he was in boots for that measurement. We've also heard the claims that Elvis was measured twice in the army - once with boots and once without. This pic backs up the claim that he was measured twice. Click Here

We know the first was in boots, so I guess that one was barefoot. Actually I've sure I've seen footage of him right about that time barefoot. It appears that the marking for 5ft is at his shoulder. 5'3 is skipped and then there are 5'6, 5'9 and 6'0 markings. Elvis is just a touch over the 6ft marking - probably 0.5 inches. The angle is a little misleading because it makes the front of his head seem quite a bit taller than that, but check that part of the back of your head and you will see it's practically the same as the tallest point of your head. If this is the second barefoot measurement, it suggests 6ft 0.5 does it not?

Aphrodite says on 26/Jun/07
LOL at the mug shot, Elvis was wearing an eyeglasses on that mugshot. Have you ever seen a mugshot picture who was wearing eyeglasses? Common sense Anonymous.

Aphrodite says on 26/Jun/07
Anonymous,

Tom Jones is a legitimate 5'10" and Elvis was clearly taller than him by 1.5 to 2 inches. The picture posted on the site was fake. The 5'11.75" to 6'0.5" should be right.

This is a picture of Elvis with Tom Jones:

Click Here
Click Here

5'7.5" Frank Sinatra with Elvis:

Click Here

Aphrodite says on 26/Jun/07
Anonymous,

Tom Jones is a legitimate 5'10" and Elvis was clearly taller than him by 1.5 to 2 inches. The picture posted on the site was fake. The 5'11.75" to 6'0.5" could be right.

Ramiro says on 26/Jun/07
Anonymous, the FBI photo is either a fake or a pic made for fun when Elvis visited FBI Headquarters. Of course he was with shoes on (and with glasses on too). The chart beside him looks ridiculously amateurish for the FBI headquarters (nothing more and nothing less). All this has been discussed here some time ago. Vandam, first of all thank you for your post of june 22, I've never felt offended, we only have different opinions on a little subject and I enjoy the exchange of ideas, it makes me learn many things and it's a pleasure to talk about Elvis whatever is the subject. On the other hand, I don't give credit to an Elvis' height looking at the percentage of times it appears on internet or other sources (but if I did that, 6' and up would win by a great margin). It isn't necessary to see the original army records where Elvis' height was taken down, historians and researchers have done it for us and we only have to read what they've written about. Under the 6' mark all is gossip, rough appreciations and darkness; the light and the precision belong to the measurement made with scientifical methods by the medical staff. The burden of proof belongs to those who insist that Elvis was under 6' and they have nothing minimally solid. It's true that the 6'0.5'' figure appears quite less, that's because almost all army records used the rounded 6'.

Anonymous says on 25/Jun/07
In a picture posted on this site. shows Elvis standing in front of a height wall chart, ( i think he is in barefeet). It was taken at the FBI HG and it clearly shows him to be 5ft 10in tall, probably 5-11 in normal shoes. In the US height is given in shoes.

vandam says on 25/Jun/07
RAMIRO WE ALL HEARD THIS BEFORE , THATS FINE , AS MUCH AS YOUR 6.05 COMES UP (PERSONNALY I SAW THAT REALLY RARELLY) AND SIX APPEARS WAY MORE OFTEN , AND THE 5 11 APPEARS AS WELL ON MANY SITES , SO FOR CELEB TO DOWNGRADE HIS HEIGHT , NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE , I THINK HE WOULD OF BEEN LISTED AT 6.1 INSTEAD I THINK IT IS MORE PLAUSIBLE 511 AND LIST IT AT 6 INSTEAD , MORE COMMON ! BUT THAT IS MY POINT OF VIEW , YOU COULD BE RIGHT BUT WE DONT REALLY KNOW THAT .WE NEVER SAW ANY DOCUMENTS AND WHAT SO EVER ! YET

Ramiro says on 25/Jun/07
Here we go again. There are three kinds of persons: 1) Those who, impressed by the celebrities or some of them, tend to see them taller than they really are. 2) Those who are scepticals about celebrities, more critical or even against some of them and tend to see them shorter than they really are. 3) Those balanced persons (a vast minority) who see celebrities as they are, but this does not mean that they are exact in their appreciation, because of the lack of accuracy of the human eye and the many physical and phsychological factors that distort human appreciations. That's the reason why doctors prefer to use stadiometers to measure heights. The only height to consider regarding Elvis is the officially stated when scientifically measured by the medical staff in the army. According with that source, Elvis' height was listed from 6' to 6'0.5'' and never under that. Nobody has proved the contrary and all who use the army records to support their statements say 6' (rounded) or 6'0.5''. The page of EIN that you mention, Vandam, isn't the main page but one that belongs to a guy called Charmain, these facts are only in his particular page of graphics. Anyway, to have a site in internet even if it is about Elvis and has the recognition of EPE does not mean that all the data inside are correct.

vandam says on 23/Jun/07
Oh I apologize aphrodite I read your post wrongly , I taught you were refering to the administrator of Celebheights , you are talking about EIN , I already did 2 days ago cause they have a pic of lady that is associated with the site posed with elvis in the 70 , i was asking them to post the pic and tell us how tall she was to compare !

vandam says on 23/Jun/07
What is the Elvis Information Network (EIN)?
The Elvis Information Network (EIN) is a non-profit, fan club established in Australia in 1989.

EIN is an officially recognised fan club with Elvis Presley Enterprises (Graceland). We publish a quarterly newsletter for financial members and publish this web site, Click Here

Aphrodite says on 23/Jun/07
Okay vandam, I think we should all agree to the 5'11.75". Sorry for the previous arguements.

vandam says on 23/Jun/07
and if you go on the site allexperts and search for all the height questions that was asked you will find approx 3 of them where it says Denis , thats me ! they are not all experts trust me . Elvis was a tall and handsome and really talented man ! this height thing here is all for fun gives something to do and reasearch on the net for . I dont try to crush anybody here , trying point out that theres as much evidence everywhere that he could of been in the 5 11 range than he could of been in the 6 feet range . He is the Brad Pitt of the 60 s , we cant really pin point his exact height cause of so many rumors like lift and type of shoes . is it fare to say then that he was between 5 11 and 6 feet would
but not over 6 feet ?

vandam says on 23/Jun/07
look aphrodite believe what you want , this is my opinion you dont have to accept it and please respect the people on this site !I dont know why you have to bother Rob with the proof of my site you already went on it to get the drivers license on it and i explained to you how to get to the info i managed to get so what is the big deal with this !!!
and the ALL expert site that you went on , went there and talked with 3 different people they gave me 3 different answers , BIG experts alright . And i have an email from the administrator of the site called Elvis Postcards .com and she wrote me saying he was 5 11 aswell ! so maybe some dont agree and that is fine .

Aphrodite says on 23/Jun/07
I just emailed the administrator of the website that vandam has posted and let's see what he will answer when I asked the source or proof of Elvis height. ;)

Aphrodite says on 23/Jun/07
vandam,

There are more thousands of reliable websites than the only amateurish website you have posted. If you will search the google. Most of them Elvis was listed 6'0.5".

Aphrodite says on 23/Jun/07
This came from AllExperts.com

Click Here

Question
how tall was elvis?


Answer
Hello, thanks for writing. Sources typically list Elvis's height as 5'11", 6', or 6'1", but the majority cite six feet even, so that is what we might assume to be the "official" statistic. Short of verifiable medical records, however, we cannot really say for certain. I hope this answers your question.

Aphrodite says on 23/Jun/07
LOL at vandam trying to post a link of a website just to prove his point. If you are basing on a website, there are thousands of websites listed Elvis at 6'0.5".

Mr. R says on 22/Jun/07
Rob,

so I am "honorable" now? That sounds like one step from retirement or worse!

KLR

TJ says on 22/Jun/07
That driver's license is just a mock up though Aphrodite, not a scan of the real thing or anything.

vandam says on 22/Jun/07
Click Here
this is the direct link to the page im talking about

vandam says on 22/Jun/07
type in google : elvis facts from EIN and look what they say ! the drivers license is a merchandise product that EPE created to sell to the public thats all it is .this is what is written on the left side of the screen when you scroll down and no I did not invent this look closely you will see it
Elvis Facts:

Elvis was 5' 11" tall



Elvis' natural hair color was dark blond



Elvis' blood type was O Positive



Elvis' shoe size was 11D



One of Elvis'( maternal) ancestors, Morning White Dove (born 1800, died 1835), was a full-blooded Cherokee Indian



Elvis' uncle, Noah Presley, became Mayor of East Tupelo on January 7, 1936



The Presley family moved to Memphis on November 6, 1948



Elvis was issued a Social Security card in September 1950 with the # 409-52-2002



In 1954 some of the shows played by Elvis & The Blue Moon Boys were at the Overton Park Shell; the Bel-Air Club; Sleepy-Eyed John's Eagle's Nest Club and the Louisiana Hayride

Aphrodite says on 22/Jun/07
Okay, this is from Elvis Information Network and in the Elvis driver's license, he was listed 6'0".

Click Here

vandam says on 22/Jun/07
No problem M.Paul

Right now im trying to contact some people at the Elvis information network , located in australia they have there own site , you should maybe go look at it they have a section called : elvis facts and they have some interesting facts about him .and theres a site called : Elvis Postcards.com , they have few interesting facts there to .sorry again for the trouble

vandam says on 22/Jun/07
By the way I just want to apologize to anyone that I may have offfended by trying to prove my point , like Ramiro he believes strongly in one thing and sticks to it I am the same way i dont downgrade anybody opinion here , i have all the respect in the world for peoples opinion ! BUT PLEASE LETS STICK TO DIPLOMATIE AND POLITE ARGUYING this site was made to discuss and bring ideas or even help this site give the most accurate height possible on a celeb. I just go with instinct and personnal encounters and take in acount that the world of showbusiness is not all what they it is and we dont have to accept how tall anyone is . again sorry if i offended anyone was not my goal !

Vandam ( denis)

Mr. R says on 10/Jun/07
Years ago, Kurt Russell did a movie where he played Presley. He reported (I think to the Philadephia Enquirer) that Elvis was "almost six foot, but not quite". Russell stated that Elvis wore lifts to put him over the 6 foot mark.

vandam says on 9/Jun/07
there was never any proof just a pic of him being measured with boots i have been on it here since they had him at 6 feet even and with all the argument and eye witness they dropped it , you will never make any sense aphrodite , and cat stevens there is an angle on the screenshots looking upwords makes him look taller and wearing heels !
and the difference between 5 11.5 and 5 11 3quarters is nothing just by looking at someone he was not 6 feet deal with it

Aphrodite says on 9/Jun/07
Someone had already showed the proof of Elvis real army height in barefoot that's why the administrator of this site put Elvis height at 5'11.75" I wish the administrator would put back the screenshot so that Vandam would totally get owned when his thinks Elvis' height is 5'11.5' maximum. lol!

Aphrodite says on 9/Jun/07
Elvis was measured in the army 6'0.5" barefoot. Vandam is still crying lol!

Cat Stevens says on 9/Jun/07
No way in hell he's less than 6'1, he looked huge here:

Click Here

vandam says on 9/Jun/07
who was your father Ed ? not george kline i hope ? if it was i never read any documents stating he inlisted in the army . cool that your father actually met him

Ed Kline says on 8/Jun/07
' and theres pics of elvis measured in his boots and some in his socks and the guy his holding a tape over his head up in the air , how precise is that !!!'

well hell not very precise at all I imagine...and of course my dad might not have been aware of footwear.

vandam says on 7/Jun/07
and when you are famous you can add an inch or 2 to your height , specially when you are elvis presley who will argue except us 30 years later on celebheights .com !!

vandam says on 7/Jun/07
Ed : first elvis went in the army at 23 , so the growth technically stopped ! and he was obviously not 6 and one quarter ( your dad had a good eye wow) when he was inducted cause his dad (vernon) was 6 1 and it was noticieable that elvi was shorter by 2 inches or maybe 1.5 inches. and theres pics of elvis measured in his boots and some in his socks and the guy his holding a tape over his head up in the air , how precise is that !!!

vandam says on 7/Jun/07
aphrodita : is this a joke ? are you really aphrodite the one that hates my guts lol! you want my opinion ? ok well i think he was between 5 11 and 5 11.5 in his prime due to friends of mine that actually met him or knew people that worked with him and based on some pics but as said many times pics are to debatable because he wore high heels shoes or lifts. and i studied alot of material of him before his army days he wore loafers and was not taller than people that were 5 10 or 11 so i find it hard to believe that he grew 2 inches in 2 years being in the army ! so that is my opinion max height 5 11.5

Ed Kline says on 7/Jun/07
two things....my army medical was barefoot...I was 17 years 3 months old, and 5' 7 and 1/4th...upon discharge at 20 yrs and 6 mths i was 5'9. the second thing is my father met Elvis when they were both in their 20's though Elivs was a bit older, and my dad who was 6'1 ans 3/8 said Elvis was about 1 inch shorter, but a legit 6 footer...maybe 6' 1/4..hope that helps.

Anonymous says on 7/Jun/07
I think Elvis was exactly 5'10.75. when he himself said 6' even that was probably in normal dress shoes with 1.25 inch heel. Americans always give their height in shoes. (or could have been low as 5'10 barefoot and with his boots add the 2 inch heel and that makes him 6' even!)

Aphrodita says on 7/Jun/07
vandam,

In your opinion, how tall is Elvis?

vandam says on 6/Jun/07
that means nothing that he said it in an interview ! lots of actors and singers say they are 6 when they were not !

anita says on 6/Jun/07
elvis presley was 6 foot tall even 180 pounds eyes greenish blue told by elvis himself in an interview i have on a (cd and lp ELVIS CONFIDES IN YOU 1956)

lrua says on 5/Jun/07
Elvis was never 6' or taller, 5'11" at most, wore lifts during his Vegas years, I have 18 of his 32 movies he made (1956-1969) and if you look closely and compare his height to other actors in those movies, he was 5'11" max, not a short guy but not a giant either, and the producers tried to make sure he "looked" tall in all his movies.

vandam says on 3/Jun/07
and people go read what aprhodite wrote on lee majors pages , do not pay attention to his or her comments non sense !!

vandam says on 3/Jun/07
sorry JA the point is already proven look at the measurement on the top of the page LOL dont quit your day job ! and keep up the comments we are having a nice laugh with you 5 11.5 BOyaaaaaaaa.

Aphrodite says on 3/Jun/07
vandam, stop crying and don't use multiple usernames on this board just to prove your point. Elvis is 6'0.5".

vandam says on 2/Jun/07
aphrodte: lol I just caught on about the using another username , you have to understand that i dont live alone and they use my computer have many many people backing what i say and check out this site and read what i wrote ,you should read from the bottom on this page half of them are people i contacted and asked t give there 2 cents , people that have a lot of knowledge . oh by the way we are having a good laugh with your comments .

Aphorodite says on 2/Jun/07
I knew it! vandam is also curious lol! Elvis is 6'0.5". You better stop crying.

vandam says on 2/Jun/07
aphrodite : you indicated on Lee majors section elvis was measured at 5 11 and a half inch barefoot and now 6 05 hmmmmmm i think someone here needs to get there story straight , but theres no point in having a inteligent argument with you cause you have no idea what you are talking about and no solid arguments to bring on other than rudeness .

Aphorodite says on 2/Jun/07
It looks like vandam is now using another username curious. Elvis was officially measured 6'0.5" barefoot in army.

curious says on 1/Jun/07
funny how everyone tht just saw pics or news clips or videos of him assume he is bigger than life , but the people that actually met him and stood close to him say well he was normal size or shorter than they thought he would be ! i think an actual witness or encounter is more valuable than trying to compare pics and assumptions
just my opinion

elvisinsider says on 31/May/07
But TJ : you are probably right concerning the exact height cant say by only looking at someone but you can give an approx. guess , only thing thatis sure is he was not over 6 feet !! and he felt that he was not at his height . the rest well i only can take his word for it , and like I said below he is not in the habit in inventing stuff and has a pretty good memory , specially that event , why i say this well it was Elvis , IN OTTAWA ! he expected him to be big and was surprise that he wasnt !all I can say and i trust his word

elvisinsider says on 31/May/07
well he did not feel that he was same height as him at all cause he had other coworkers at the same height as him that what he used to compare
he said he was skinny and shorter than him , and he aint no lyer trust me

TJ says on 30/May/07
elvisinsider, the grandfather story is interesting but come one! Not only is it a 50 yr old memory, but no-one can possibly stand opposite someone and know if they are one half inch taller or shorter than them. You would literally have to be both in front of a mirror to make a judgement that accurate. When we look at people we don't see the top of our heads, so we don't even know ourselves how tall we are. Even if eye to eye with someone we can't be accurate to within those tiny margins, because we don't all have the same size foreheads. I have a friend who numerous times has said he's the same height as me, until one day I stood us both in front of a mirror to point out I'm more than an inch taller.

elvisinsider says on 30/May/07
like my grandpfather stated , he was shorter than him and ma GF was a solid 6 footer , and he met him in his 20's , was at his peak height .so 511 would make sense !wish he took a pic with him but i guess my GF was to busy doing security in the building for him .

MarkyMark says on 26/May/07
Have you seen the movie kid galahad with Elvis and Charles Bronson ? Elvis doesn't appear a lot taller then Bronson (who is 171 cm). I think Elvis was about 5'11 (180 cm) , 6'0 is the max. That's tall for someone who was born in 1935.

gautden says on 25/May/07
why say he was when he was not ! like saying Brad pitt was 6 feet when he is obviously not some here on this site are stated as 5 11.5 and 5 10.5 , why not him ? why make taller than he is ! because he was elvis ?? and 6 feet is not just above average , 5 9.5 is average in america !

Alucard says on 25/May/07
john: My point exactly. 6 feet is just above average height...it's nothing special being it so why put so much effort into talk about it? And so what if he is 182 or 184...put him on 183 cm then, and get over it.

elvisinsider says on 22/May/07
My grandfarther was in charge of security when he was about 25 years old at the beacon arms appartement hotel in 1957 in Ottawa canada , the year elvis(he was 22 years old then ) came to town april 3rd 1957 last concert he did in canada, my grandfarther met him face to face , said to me he was wearing a white jacket ,pink shirt , black pants white loafers , not to much heal on it
and said he seemed a bit shorter than him , my grandfarther was 6 ' tall and was wearing normal healed shoes to and that was official cause he had to get measured with his doctor to get the job ,recalled that he looked around 5'11.5" to him .
So the pics concerning Tom jones he could of been 5'10" and elvis 5'11.5" at that height people can easally think your 6' tall with the right shoes .

Aphrodite says on 20/May/07
To Anonymous,

In the photos with Tom Jones, Tom Jones was also wearing high-heeled boots. Tom Jones was knows to wear high-heeled boots. You better ask Tom Jones yourself to know the fact that Elvis was taller than him by 2 inches.

vandam says on 18/May/07
to the anonymous saying he was measured at 6 0.5 have any proof of that ??
to many confusion surrounding these measurements . theres pics of him getting measured with boots , cant base anything on that .

Anonymous says on 18/May/07
In the photos with Tom Jones, elvis was probably wearing high heeled boots. He was about the same height as Jones.

Anonymous says on 18/May/07
Anonymous,

Tom Jones is a legitimate 5'10" barefoot, while Elvis was measured 6'0.5" barefoot in army.

Anonymous says on 18/May/07
He was 5-10 to 5-11 barefoot.

Aphrodite says on 15/May/07
Yes, that's the right height of Elvis. Elvis is 6'0" tall while Tom Jones is a 5'10" tall.

Brad says on 13/May/07
Tom Jones was 5' 10" right in front of me....add 2": 6' for Elvis. I saw Elvis in '76, he wore 2" boots. He held a tall height.

Jason says on 12/May/07
The Australian army measures soldiers' heights in boots. Don't know about other countries.

vandam says on 11/May/07
to Anna: this site is design and specially made to have some friendly discussion on any stars height ! you must of had nothing to do to come here and write that !

Duhon says on 10/May/07
Why would army medical officials measure anyone while in boots? sounds a bit ridiculous. you'd think they would procede like any doctor would.

Anna says on 10/May/07
You all are discussing Elvis' height for so long time because you really have nothing else to do.
It doesn't matter was he 180 or 183. It doesn't change anything

Ramiro says on 10/May/07
We don't have to fall in the trap of pictures and footage. They can show one thing and the contrary. But yes, on most pictures Elvis looked clearly taller than Jones, and I think that Jones would do everything to look as tall as he could beside Elvis. He used to wear high heeled footwear.

Aphrodite says on 10/May/07
Tom Jones is a legitimate 5'10" and Elvis is clearly taller than him by 2 inches in these pictures:

Click Here
Click Here

Aphrodite says on 10/May/07
To Anonymous,

Elvis was officially measured 6'0.5" in bare foot while in Army. So your estimation is completely wrong by just estimating pictures. lol!

vandam says on 30/Apr/07
The shredder: well the heights here are estimate measurements of them barefoot
so the 5'11" ish is a rough estimate ,ya probably in boots he was 6'o5" and 6'2" well thats was his stage boots in the 70's that could of made him that tall .

the shredder says on 30/Apr/07
Could be vandam ! ... I don't get why Rob puts Elvis under the 6 ft 1/2 , but still keeps Dean 5 ft 7 1/2 and 5'8 ! ... Dean always had boots on .

Some that is ridiculous is that I saw 5'10 listings for Dean , and 6'2 listings for Elvis ... LOL ... NEVER

Ramiro says on 30/Apr/07
All who knew Elvis say unanimously this: Elvis was the most humble and non conceited person ever known by them. When the gossip about Elvis wearing lifts raised in Hollywood he laughed about with his entourage because that statement was completely false and ridiculous, just the kind of thing that he would never do. It was very common in the seventies and even in the sixties, especially in the show business but not exclusively, to wear high heeled footwear; Elvis was just one more to do that, and above all he did it when on stage (I almost never have seen boots with little heel, so if you wear boots you almost surely are wearing high heels). If Elvis lived today he'd laugh a lot with this discussion and he'd put a post saying that he was 5'6'', believe me. Anonymous, I respect your opinion but if something is unquestionable is that Elvis was well over 5'10''.

leonari says on 30/Apr/07
Dean was 5'7" ,Elvis 6 feet.

vandam says on 30/Apr/07
you are pretty close on the money THE shredder !!

the shredder says on 29/Apr/07
I would buy Elvis being 6 ft 1/2 before James Dean being 5'7 ft 1/2 ! ... If both those heights were taking in boots , then Elvis was about 5'11.5 and James Dean about 5'6.5 ?

TJ says on 29/Apr/07
You are 100% wrong then Anonymous. To say Elvis was 5'10 is frankly laughable. If Elvis was 5'10, Bill Haley was 5'8.5 or so, Dean Martin was 5'9, Frank Sinatra was 5'6, Johnny Cash was 5'11 tops, etc etc. Elvis was 6ft or just possibly a hair under.

Anonymous says on 28/Apr/07
I think Elvis's true height was only 5'10! in that picture in the 1960s with Lee Majors, it shows how short he was. Lee Majors was probably 5'10.5 peak height and now about 5'10. Elvis was obsessed with height and wanted to be taller. He did wear high heeled boots and maybe lifts to add to his height. I am 100% certain the King was 5'10 barefoot.

vandam says on 21/Apr/07
by the way i will never shut up !

vandam says on 21/Apr/07
aphrodite : for someone to choose a name like yours , must think very highly of herself or himself dont know but to come on a site like this and call people names and bring nothing on the table to prove your point thats ignorant at the lowest level specially the pics you chose and the editing of the Ali pic my god you have no brain , and specially that this site tolerates this kind of posting makes wonder about the credibilaty of this site !!! I said what i had to say

Aphrodite says on 20/Apr/07
You are all wasting your time with this ignorant and egoistic vandam,lol! The whole world knows that Elvis is a 6 footer guy.

vandam = ignorant fool so you better shut up!

vandam says on 20/Apr/07
ramiro : not saying that anybody is lying , but maybe just avoiding the hole story . and I aint calling nobody dishonest . I know what i know thats all

Ramiro says on 20/Apr/07
Graceland Archives of EPE have the last and official word on Elvis' topics. They confirmed to me other things about Elvis that didn't add bright to him, they didn't hide them, they tell what they know about Elvis and height wouldn't be that serious matter to lie about. Graceland Archives say that the so called lifts were only insoles with less than 0.5'' that added no height with feet over them; the only thing that added height was the heels and sometimes he wore 1.5 to 2'' heels on stage, that would put some extra height (they have Elvis' footwear to look and all the data about him). You are saying that EPE would lie to upgrade Elvis'image and then you say that the ones who said that Elvis wore lifts are saying the truth; what makes you think that these persons are more honest than EPE? And why couldn't they be simply wrong or calling "lifts" something that wasn't?

vandam says on 20/Apr/07
But roamiro and TJ I do get your point about the picture thing , it can be really arguable ! if he was only alive we could ask him lol :)

vandam says on 20/Apr/07
the lift matter is totally arguable to , you have no reall proof of elvis not wearing them , and i have confirmation by people that knew him and told me that he did wear them andit is obvious in many pics that he is due to the different heights that he as ! you can say no but again you have no proof of that and please dont say < EP enterprise said so> cause they will never admit that all about his image .as for the sinatra pic i have others that will make you change your mind . he was under 6 feet.

Ramiro says on 20/Apr/07
Of course we can argue but with the upmost respect. This forum is a good chance to learn things, to get fun and to meet people around the globe. And when all's said and done we are discussing only about a non important thing. It's only that I always thought that there would be little controversy about a thing so clearly stated as Elvis' height, but then I realized that the controversy was huge and tried to put my point and to make clear what I think that is the truth about Elvis' height. I think that if Elvis was measured scientifically in the army (and he was) and if his height was stated as 6' then it shows that Elvis was surely somewhere very close to that figure (if we assume that it was rounded). Could the army measurement have been erroneous? Yes, it could, but it's very unlikely and if so it's a lot more realistic an error consisting of measuring him less height than real and not vice versa. Also, the appreciation made by human eye is 100% unaccurate so it can not compete with the anthropometrical one. I'm just waiting for the army records that I requested to see if there is any clarification (I'm starting to get nervous because they charged my credit card but the days pass and the documents do not arrive). I don't know if Sinatra wore lifts, Elvis doesn't. And in the hypothetical case that both wore them they would be equalized. The pic of them that shows Aphrodite is from the "Welcome back Home Elvis" TV special in 1960. Again depending on the angle, position of bodies and a lot of visual effects the difference between persons changes, but it's clear that Elvis was taller than Sinatra by a great difference, even with Sinatra wearing lifts.

TJ says on 19/Apr/07
Well the top of Elvis' head is above Ali's eyebrow, and Ali has his head back and looks to be standing straighter, so not sure how your point about you and your friend matches up. My point in the previous post is that we can't always trust what we see in pics. Just as one Elvis and Hayley pic suggests Elvis was 3 inches taller, another suggests he was an inch taller. Just as that Ali pic suggests Ali was a strong 3 inches taller, another might suggest something entirely different. It's daft to make a big deal out of one pic where we can't even see below either guy's waist or tell if one is slouching etc. Incidentally, I don't think Elvis was trule any taller against Haley on the day the second pic was taken. It's likely just the angle of the photo and that Haley is slouching more.

vandam says on 19/Apr/07
And Aphrodite your lackness of inteligence offends the name your using and what it stands for !

I did the experience and took a pic of a guy that is 6'4" and the gym and i'm 5'11" and we are wearing same type of shoes and the top of my head is at the same level of the lower part of his nose ! so do the Math . Ali 6'2 or 6'2.5" and elvis suposutly 6' , makes no sense . and Ali does not have his arm on him it is touching his back not pushing him down ! and not because the guy was thick and had muscles that he looked taller , it is the other way around

vandam says on 19/Apr/07
Aphrodite : go eat your cornflakes so you can calm down , and maybe make you grow taller to !! and to start calling others names just proves that your not to much of a smart guy , i've been arguing with Ramiro and i never called him any names :0) what a joke .and your pic of Ali and elvis your played around with jesus you are desperate my friend, your are blinded by your obsession with elvis . i can have 20 people looking at this pic and will tell you other wise and i have 100 more to show but it is a waste of time . but you can argue all you like Aphrodite( dont know why you would pic a name like that but who care ) the height you see up there is is height deal with it
and your pics you are showing of sinatra is worth crap cause both of them were known to wear lifts ! i have many of them where the difference is not that much , some with dean martin that is almost same height . and theres one of Lee Majors that claimed he was 6' and was not was 5 11 and elvis was standing right next to him , so sorry . still not proving nothing .
Ramiro maybe we argue but all for fun I respect every opinion you bring on the table , this is the purpose of this site but it is obvious that some here cant take it .

Ramiro says on 19/Apr/07
Also, the immense heftiness of Ali contributes to make him look bigger in all senses.

Aphrodite says on 19/Apr/07
Frank Sinatra is 5'7 1/2" and Elvis clearly towered and 5" inches taller than Sinatra in this picture!

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Aphrodite says on 19/Apr/07
In this picture Ali looks only 2 inches taller than Elvis. This is the same picture vandam is always showing lol!

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Aphrodite says on 19/Apr/07
I think you guys are wasting your time with this egoistical vandam! The pic Elvis with Ali he is always showing is not accurate. Ali's body was so straight, his chin was high up and the fact he put his arm on Elvis shoulder looks him so tall besides Elvis, Ali could have also raised his heels a little bit because he was cheered-up. Elvis was leaning a little in that picture, while Ali was all straight and chin-up.

vandam is a pathetic, egoistical guy lol!

Ramiro says on 19/Apr/07
Vandam, Elvis has literally millions of photographs beside other persons to compare with. The two pics that we know he has with Ali are amongst the less appropriate to state his height because of the position of both bodies; Elvis loses a lot more height than Ali due to that. This leaving aside that we can not accurately state someone's height looking at pics and that many times 1 inch looks quite more to our eyes when looking at the persons than when looking at a rule with inches marked. Elvis, in the worst of the cases, was 5'11 3/4'' and this is virtually 6', there's imposible for the human eye to catch a difference of 0,63 cm between persons. When comparing Elvis with Ali (hotel's pic) we are comparing one person stretched to the maximum, with the highest martial position, to another relaxed and even somewhat slouched. And yes, when somebody puts his arm over you, you tend to be less straight than the other person. We don't have to ask ourselves for the real Elvis' height when looking at him beside others, we have to ask ourselves for the real height of the others, because Elvis' height is unquestionably known, he was somewhere very close to 6', up or down.

Jason says on 19/Apr/07
Vandam, I actually dunno how tall Elvis was exactly lol - in fact I've never posted on this page before until now - I was just pointing out about Ali's height. Ali looks mighty tall in that pic with Elvis, though...

vandam says on 18/Apr/07
TJ : i made long research on Bill Haleys height no where it says he was 5 11
and the army pic it is obvious he is wearing high footwear ! cause it is a known fact that vernon was taller than elvis and every pic of elvis that you see in his army dayshe is taller and if you look at him before the army there is a remaqueable difference ! i show the ali pic M TJ cause it the most accurate one that we have where we know the persons height next to him and are both standing straight to each other . elvis was not over 6 it was obvious close to it like i said millions of time the height you up there is accurate

Ramiro says on 18/Apr/07
An error again, at the end of my last post I wanted to say 5'11 3/4''+, I forgot 11 inches.

Ramiro says on 18/Apr/07
Great comments TJ. Pics, footage and personal appreciations are very unaccurate, only offer us an approximate height for a person who hasn't his height scientifically measured. This is not the case of Elvis; army records say that he was 6' or 6'0.5''. There is even information about a measurement at 6'1 3/4'' (issue) that was confirmed by Graceland Archives and Joe Esposito and that would be with army footwear. I've consulted U.S. army methods to take heights and they round heights to the NEAREST QUARTER OF INCH. That means that in the worst of the cases Elvis was measured at 5' 3/4''+ (virtually 6'). There is no way for less height for Elvis.

TJ says on 18/Apr/07
To further illustrate the point about pics not necessarily telling the full story, check this other pic of Elvis with Haley:
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Well Elvis looks a solid 6'2 in that one, which he wasn't of course. But both appear to be standing up straight don't they? For whatever reason, the pic makes the height difference look greater than it really was, and that's the nature of pictures.

TJ says on 18/Apr/07
Vandam, you keep using only the Ali pic to make your point. Pics can be and often are misleading. As I've said, for every pic where Elvis could be a little under 6ft, there is one where he can look a solid 6ft or more. How about this pic with 5'11 Bill Haley:
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Shall we go on and on about how Elvis can't possibly be below 6ft in that pic? No, because it's just one pic and pics can be misleading.

vandam says on 17/Apr/07
Jason : ok then jason look at the pic with ali and elvis tell me do you find that elvis like a solid 6' guy ????
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Jason says on 17/Apr/07
Ali was 6'2 1/2'' if you want to be exact.

vandam says on 17/Apr/07
aphrodite : i think if someone as no clue would be you , you make me laugh with your assumptions of Ali : maybe he had this up and had this in his shoes ..... or had cornfalkes before meeting elvis and was the reason why his arm was so heavy and was pushing on elvis ......you and ramiro make a good team lol. ok ok ok elvis was 7 feet tall !! sorry this insane

Ramiro says on 17/Apr/07
And she was quite exact TheJerk, congratulations. Vandam, I'm the only one here supporting what is documented about Elvis: Elvis' army records say nothing under 6' for his height, and all official sources say that. I'm the person here who assumes less, even nothing; I use the official data and there is no need to have them in my home. We have access to very few original documents and, as consequence, to know the immense majority of the data we have to do it through the experts and specialists who can have access to them. Anyway, I'm now waiting for Elvis' army records that I requested to N.A.R.A. (I paid not little money for them) and I hope that they could clarify the situation to people who have to touch the moon to believe in its existence. People's estimations about someone's height have very little value and are distorted by many factors (it's the same if they say that Elvis was 6'2'' or 5'11'') and pics and footage have similar problems: I talked before about Zidane and Ronaldo; there are pics where Zidane is clearly taller than Ronaldo, others where Zidane is taller by very little margin and even several ones where Ronaldo looks taller than Zidane (Ronaldo is 183 cm tall and Zidane 185 cm tall). This situation happens with all people when we see their pics and footage. There is only one scientifical anthropometric method accepted by doctors and specialists on anthropometric measurements and the probabilities of error are siderally lesser than the ones with other rough methods, where you have almost 100% of probabilities to be unaccurate.

vandam says on 16/Apr/07
again you are judging people ability to estimates someones height nothing scientific about it ! i could gone on and on about but it is a waste of time . you talk about official this and that but bring nothing on the table to support your theories . you assume all the way on everything . makes no sense

TheJerk says on 16/Apr/07
She met him in 77' or 76', her last year in high school. Wasn't that his heyday? She told me it is hard for her to pinpoint exactly how tall he was, but that he was 6-2 to 6-3.

Aphrodite says on 16/Apr/07
Tom Jones is a legitimate 5'10" and Elvis was clearly taller than Tom Jones by 2 inches.

Aphrodite says on 16/Apr/07
In that picture Elvis with Ali. Ali was clearly all chin-up and Ali might had raised his toe because he was cheering up in that picture, while Elvis was leaning a little bit. It's really hard to tell because they didn't show their feet. One thing for sure, Elvis was a legitimate 6'0".

vandam has no clue at all.

Aphrodite says on 16/Apr/07
In that picture Elvis with Ali. Ali was clearly all chin-up and Ali might had raised his toe because he was cheering up in that picture, while Elvis was leaning a little bit. It's really hard to tell because they didn't show their feet. One thing for sure, Elvis was a legitimate 6'0".

Ramiro says on 16/Apr/07
All sources say 6'3'' for Ali and it looks like if they were talking about a height scientifically and medically measured. Of course I believe more in that than in a personal rough appreciation. Still, if you mark a distance in a table, it looks a lot shorter than when you look at two persons with that difference in height. I just met Dudu Aouate (goalkeeper of my hometown football team) who is 188 cm and he totally towered over me making me look like a dwarf. I'm 176+ cm tall; the difference is 12 cm, it's remarkable but only when you look at the persons one beside the other. When you look at the distance marking it on the table it looks shorter. Even looking at the pics of Elvis with Ali, and taking into consideration the different position of bodies that gives advantage to Ali, it makes sense to say that Elvis was somewhere around 6' tall. TheJerk, when did your mother met Ali? He shrunk a lot since his heyday. Well, just remember that we are now discussing only on 1/4 to 3/4 of an inch. What the hell is a difference between 5'11 3/4'' and 6'?? It's virtually the same. And if you are being measured in the army you surely are straight to the maximum and why not to reach the 6'0.5'' mark? Even if you reach the 6'0.25'' mark it would be rounded to 6'0.5''. And yes, Elvis loved and used to be barefooted when in his hotel's bedroom. I don't imagine Elvis saying: "Ali is coming, I'm going to put on my shoes"; when all's said and done, Ali is almost nude in the second pic, he is dressed as boxer.

TheJerk says on 14/Apr/07
My mom met Ali, she told me he looked 6-3. He also apparently hit on her as well. Very true. She tends to overetimate heights, however she thinks I'm 6-0, but I'm 5-11 all day - after the first few hours. As far as Elvis? I don't know if lifts were nearly as popular back in the day, but he'd of worn them at some point, that much is so. I would'nt rule out 5-11 with the weight gain, especially.

vandam says on 13/Apr/07
Ramiro: thats makes no sense , that no proof of nothing about being barefooted
he was infront of cameras and journalists you think he would be barefoot
specially in front of Ali , you wore freaken shoes in the Dojo when doing karate sometimes (not all the time ) and it is known thats stats on height of pro athlete are not always accurate , mike Tyson is an example. And look at Brad Pitt everyone thinks he is over 6 feet and says on is "OFFICIAL" web site and he is not . I think the Ali pics proves a good point and you just cant admit it.

Ramiro says on 13/Apr/07
Anyway, Ronaldo, the famous football (soccer) player, is 183 cm tall (according to medical examinations) and I've seen several photos of him with Zidane (another famous football player), who is 185 cm tall and the difference between them is clear and not little as one would expect for only 2 cm. So it depends on the photo and perhaps what we think that is a little difference looks bigger to our eyes. By the way, those who knew Elvis well say that he loved and used to be barefooted when in his hotel's bedroom. The pic with Ali is there.

Ramiro says on 13/Apr/07
Yes, Elvis looks clearly shorter than Ali on the last photo, Vandam. But you can appreciate that the difference is not as great than the one we can see on the previous photo with Ali puting his arm over Elvis, and Elvis has his legs clearly opened and flexed. Elvis loses more height due to the position of the body than Ali on this photo. Regarding Ali's height, all sources I've consulted say 6'3'' for him, I don't know what Dundee said but if all sources say one thing I suppose that they are based on medical exams and perhaps (only perhaps) Dundee is wrong or he is refering to Ali's height when he started to shrink. Bill Belew was very close to Elvis too and said a lot of different heights for him, why not Dundee? I've seen another photo of Ali with Vernon Presley (as I said before) and they were not so far in height. Vernon, in the time of the photo (the seventies) looked about the same height as Elvis. I insist, pictures does not show us an accurate measurement of heights. If you look at the photo you provide in the link below (a more clear and with colour photo) the difference even looks lesser.
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vandam says on 12/Apr/07
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this the pic you were talking about again looks alot smaller for a suppose over sixer guy !!!!

vandam says on 12/Apr/07
ok then is long time trainer Angello Dundee is lyer , this site as no idea what they are talking about , and all my contacts need glasses cause Mister Ramiro says so ! you are to focuse on what is written on paper my dear friend . what is on paper does not equal reality !

Ramiro says on 12/Apr/07
Muhammad Ali was 6'3''. This is his official height taken scientifically many times during his sports days. Vandam, the photo you mention shows Ali almost flying over Elvis, stretched to the maximum, with his arm over Elvis' shoulder and I'd like to see the position of legs and the floor that we don't see. Elvis is almost flattened by Ali and he is even slouching. There is another photo that shows Ali with Elvis pretending a fight where, despite they weren't straight, the difference of heights between them isn't that great. There is also a photo of Ali and Vernon Presley where you can come to the conclusion that the real difference between Elvis and Ali is not as great as we can see in the photo you provide. Still, there is a good difference between 6'3'' and around 6', don't you know? Vandam, I bet that the wardrobe measurements of height were only rough appreciations and they depended a lot of the man or woman who did them and the moment of this appreciation. I repeat, taylors don't take total height to make clothes (my father was taylor), and Bill Belew, the taylor who made Elvis' jumpsuits, gave us not less that 5 Elvis' heights, and the majority of them were 6' and over. Remember again that is sure that Elvis wasn't as straight when measured by taylors than when measured in the army. For your information: I consulted my credit card statement and the N.A.R.A. has charged the taxes, so I'm now waiting only for the documents via mail.

vandam says on 12/Apr/07
TJ: Angello Dundee Ali trainer , stated many times , and commented in a book that he was 6 feet 2 inches . so on this pic elvis looks closer to 5 feet 11 if you compare shoulders and were the eyes goes to (mouth or chin maybe) does not look 6 feet at all here

TJ says on 12/Apr/07
vandam. If Ali's head is down, Elvis' eyes come to about the centre of Ali's mouth, making him 2.5 to 3 inches shorter than Ali. Ali was likely 6.2.5 in his prime though, not 6'2. But note Ali has his arm around Elvis, which can have the effect of pushing the person down a little and of course we know nothing of their shoes. But yes, that pic does suggest Elvis was below 6ft. There are also plenty that suggest he was above 6ft, so it's interesting but not ultimately conclusive. As for the comment about Elvis being shorter for some wardrobe measurements than others - why not? People shrink half an inch or more during the course of a day. It's perfectly feasible that some wardrobe measurements were right at the start of the day and placed him at 6ft, while some were taken later and had him at 5'11.75. The army measurement should also by rights have had him shorter than his maximum height as the guy didn't even go to bed the night before.

vandam says on 10/Apr/07
in this pic Ali as per this site is 6'2" in his prime look at elvis you gonna tell me he is over 6'
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vandam says on 10/Apr/07
and how could the wardrobe measurements go from 5 11 3/4 to 6'0" , he grew somedays and was shorter others , thats because they were rounded up !!! and theres was never mention of being over 6' , im 5'11" and alot of people think i'm 6' .
no offence Rammiro , instead of your smart remarks concerning the moon and NASA show us the proof IF you have some till then 5 11 3/4 !!!!

Ramiro says on 10/Apr/07
Vandam, I've never said that I have the official papers, I said, and say, that I asked the N.A.R.A. of the U.S.A. for information about Elvis' army files containing his exact height as measured in the army and they answered to me that they have 205 pages of files and they would send them to me if I paid some taxes. I've sent my credit card data to them to pay taxes and I'm now waiting for the documents if everything works well. As soon as I receive them I'll provide to this site. There are many people who say that Elvis was 6' or above and even saw him barefeet and were a lot more close to him and more time than anyone. Do you believe more in personal rough appreciations than in a medical exam?? That's your problem; you can now look at the moon and say that the N.A.S.A. is wrong in their calculations of distance between earth and moon. The wardrobe measurements from Hollywood you mention, if we assume that the ones Dan Calderaro has are originals, because Graceland Archives of EPE showed that Dan lied here, stated Elvis' height sometimes at 5'11 3/4'' and sometimes at 6'. Also, tailors don't take total height to make clothes and surely they were only rough appreciations on a man who wasn't as straight as he was on army measurements. Bill Belew, the man who made Elvis' jumpsuits, gave a lot of different heights for Elvis, and the majority of them were over 6' and again rough appreciations with the same problems I mentioned regarding Hollywood. If you don't believe in army measurements you should believe a lot less in Hollywood's wardrobe ones.

vandam says on 7/Apr/07
PM: the difference is alot of people saying he was 5 11 34 are people that actually met him or know people that met him , and there are documents stating that he is that height ( wardrobe measurements in hollywood and jumpsuits measurements) Ramiro here states that he as the official papers but we are still waiting and anyway as per lots of comments here the army rounds up height measurement and many more other celeb were measured in the army were suppose to be at a certain height and was not true . so can we really trust those papers , personnally i dont think so !

PM says on 5/Apr/07
Someone here said Elvis's height was 5'11 3/4" and it was a certainty-the Army says 6'0 in bare feet-I take that as the certainty.

Ramiro says on 22/Mar/07
I've received answer from the National Personnel Records Center of the U.S.A. They have 205 pages of Elvis' army records for me. I just have sent the "Order For Archival Record Reproduction Services" that they sent to me and the payment, so I'm now waiting for Elvis' army records to see and to share with all of you. Let's wait.
Aphrodite, thank you for your support, you are correct. Photographs give us an approximate estimation of height but they aren't scientifical proof because there are a lot of factors that distort what we see on them (position of bodies, ground or floor, footwear, visual effects, perspective, and a lot more...) There are even shots made immediately one after another where we can see one man looking taller than another and then vice versa. If we don't have another thing we have to use the pics and footage to roughly appreciate height, but in the case of Elvis this is not necessary because he was scientifically measured in the army by medical team.

Aphrodite says on 16/Mar/07
These are pictures of Elvis Presley together with Frank Sinatra. You have listed Frank Sinatra's height 5' 7 1/2" while Elvis Presley's height 5'11 3/4". These pictures show Elvis is clearly taller than Sinatra by 5 inches so Elvis is 6'0" and above!

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Aphrodite says on 16/Mar/07
Elvis is 6 foot flat and that is considered very tall if you will compare to average person's height. But I was surprised the moderator here put him "only" 5'11.75"?

Ramiro says on 22/Jan/07
Sorry, I wanted to say 6'1.75'' with boots, not 6'0.75''. I'm starting to lose my eyes with all these numbers :-)

Ramiro says on 22/Jan/07
When we say that Elvis was measured in bare feet at 6'0.5'' we also say that there is another measurement with army boots at 6'0.75''. You can or can not be measured with boots in the army, but you'll surely be measured in bare feet. There are other pics with Elvis being measured in bare feet and I recently saw a picture where his height is being measured, and it is completely different from the one we can see here at the top; even the stadiometer is completely different and more like the ones we can regularly see. Vandam, I understand what you say, but then you have to admit that the caption of the picture above says:"Singer/Army Pvt. Elvis Presley clad only in his skivvies as he stands on scale while Army doctor measures his height at 6 1/2". It says that Elvis is only in his skivvies, does not say anything about wearing boots, so it's very likely that the caption refers to Elvis' measurement in bare feet and not to the pic we see. Also, the date of the pic would be march 24 and not march 26 as we see below, because on march 26 Elvis was at Fort Chaffee, Arkansas, and there he was processed and measured too. It looks like there are mixed data in all the caption below the pic. If we want proves, well, EPE says that army records say 6'0.5'' or 6' for Elvis in bare feet and nothing has been proved about the 5'11.75'' figure, absolutely nothing. Rob used it as an estimation, but then he even doesn't dare to say that 6'0.5'' was with boots, he only says that there is a picture showing Elvis being measured with boots on. A thing is very clear I think, Elvis was surely somewhere around 6'.

Mike says on 21/Jan/07
Does this mean that if Elvis was 5 11 3/4" the army boots only had a heel 3/4" high in order to make Elvis 6ft 1/2" in boots!!!.The entry mentioning 6ft 1 3/4" in boots seems far more believable especially as photos exist of Elvis having photos without boots during his medical.

vandam says on 19/Jan/07
carl: read what the editor wrote : 6.05 official army measurements and he had his boots on ,look at the pic , what else do you need ! nobody else here came up with any other proof to say otherwise !! kind regards

Carl says on 19/Jan/07
Elvis should be put back upto 6ft as there is too much evidence to support this height and only a few who say otherwise, facts speaker louder than words! Kind Regards Carl............

Ramiro says on 16/Jan/07
I've been watching again Elvis' measurement photo through PhotoEditor, making some improvements to see it better, and there are some interesting things. Elvis seems to wear some kind of boots totally different of the footwear that the black man waiting behind him is wearing (they seem to be shoes). Also, Elvis is holding what appears to be a bag that I suppose contains his own shoes. The black man waiting behind him also holds something in his right hand, and it seems to be either the same bag that Elvis has or the boots he had to wear to be measured the same way Elvis is measured. And then, you have to look to the black man's look, he is looking to somewhere with fear, as if some sergeant were saying to him:"Hurry up, put on the boots!!". In my own computer I could see more details, the image on screen was less dark than the one I see here and I could even lighten it. On the site this photo comes from, there are at least another pic where Elvis is being measured in bare feet to take other physical data. His height was measured too in bare feet and his weight should be measured in bare feet too, if not it wouldn't be accurate. Rob, I've been searching through internet and found a different edition of the book "The King" with more pages than the one in standard edition. I wonder if this edition has Elvis' Report for Transfer Or Discharge that states his height with and without boots. I found both editions in german at Amazon.de and one has 192 pages while the other have 159. Perhaps it happened the same with the english edition. Also, it's true that Joe Esposito (Elvis' friend at the time of Elvis'army years) has an internet site Click Here where you can ask him questions. The problem to me is that he give the answers through audio and I don't have audio in this computer and given my poor spoken/heard english I doubt I could understand him well. If someone wants to do that, it could be clarifying. I've sent to U.S. military administration a request for information regarding Elvis' height measurement at the army, I hope they answer to me something. But by now I think that the more reliable and official source is EPE. Also, I did a research through U.S. military rules to measure height and weight and it looks like they round heights to the nearest quarter of an inch.

Ramiro says on 15/Jan/07
Well, then you would have to change the explanation at the top of the page Rob, because you have no reason to say that Elvis was measured in the army at 6'0.5'' with boots, to the contrary, that measurement has been provided for Elvis in bare feet. If you don't give credibility to it then you'd have to delete it without giving it another interpretation without any proof. I think that the more reasonable thing is to maintain at least the 6' figure; it is the only one that has always been provided by official sources according to the army data. If someone proves another thing then it will be the moment to do the change, but not before.

[Editor Rob: Don Cravens was one person present taking the photo of Elvis being measured and that the info supplied shows him in boots. I asked Time and they said the blurb is supplied by the photographer at the time.]

Ramiro says on 11/Jan/07
Rob, I've not insulted nobody. You have access to information that I don't have regarding this site, but I still don't find any reason to downgrade Elvis' height. Whatever Tiger did, it does not deny the fact of Elvis being 6' in rounded numbers, and 6'0.5'' according to the army records, as Graceland Archives of EPE confirmed on a previous answer to my question. Rob, what do you have to say about EPE denying what Dan said here? You gave him credibility and changed Elvis' height, but it seems that he wasn't telling all the truth, don't you think? And he did not showed us the documents with poor reasons to do that.

[Editor Rob: I give nobody credibility - Dan's never shown any documents on the subject of Elvis.

I give Elvis a mark which people can believe is either evening or morning...]

Ramiro says on 11/Jan/07
Well, it's clear that Rob is a little bored about this topic, after all he has a site about the heights of many celebrities, not only Elvis. But I wonder too what made him downgrade Elvis. Tiger has been thrown into the outer darkness, supposedly, for using different names and, supposedly again, for telling some incongruities in the middle of a lot of truths. I want to remember, with all respect but loud and clear, that the one who said that he has original army records that state Elvis height at 5'11 3/4'' never showed them to see if they are true or fake. And he was totally denied by Graceland Archives when he said that "I AM THE PERSON EPE comes too when they want research done, or are in need of aquiring certain artifacts not already in their inventory"."My collection has been provided for loan to EPE". All this is a complete lie, according to EPE; and then he says that EPE would never say that Elvis didn't wear lifts, when they said clearly to me that the so called lifts were only insoles to cushion feet with less than 0.5'' that added no height ( I think I posted it here, and surely I re-emailed it to Rob). I repeat, if someone proves to me that Elvis was measured in the army at 5'11 3/4'', I'll admit it; who knows, it's even possible that there were several different measurements during his army years. But if we are talking about credibility, I think that there is no reason, by now, to believe in the 5'11 3/4'' height.

[Editor Rob: don't insult this site or my standing by using the word 'supposedly'.

Look at the following 2 screenshots: Tiger Posts 1 and Tiger Posts 2.

Tiger and *all those posts highlighted* originate from the following organization, in which anybody with a modicum of intelligence can verify:
"OrgName: Clark County School District
City: Las Vegas
"

That is where he posted from, wasting school hours on Elvis...Tiger said he was a teacher?...god help those kids, they'll be saying Elvis was 6ft 4 after Tiger's through educating em! That's if he's not really a janitor...]

TJ says on 10/Jan/07
To me it seems that Elvis has been downgraded with pretty flimsy evidence. Why has more credibility been given to hearsay than what is recorded in official documents? Yes, some close to him think he was a little under 6ft, but equally many close to him think he was dead on or a little over. So just wondering Rob, after the months of debate, what was it that made you decide to take off the half inch?

Ramiro says on 10/Jan/07
Sorry, I wanted to say 5'11 3/4'' instead of 5'11 1/2'' when I said that there is not a single army record that states Elvis' height at that level.

Ramiro says on 10/Jan/07
Graceland Archives sent an email to me (and I posted it here and re-sent it to Rob) where they confirmed that the army records stated 6'0.5''. They said that used to round it down to 6', as other army records do. The one who answered to me at that time, obviously, did a more deep research than the other because myself admitted in my question that I asked them before about this topic and he could see our (for him) nonsense discussion here. What is clear is that there isn't a single army record that state Elvis' height under 6', so there is not any army document that states Elvis' height at 5'11 1/2''. If you watch someone you can figure out an approximate height but you can not be sure of being 100% correct and we are discussing here about a very little difference, so I think that the stadiometer has something more scientifical to say. Furthermore, there are a lot of factors that distort the simple appreciation of the eye and it looks like the doctors choose to use the stadiometer instead of only seeing the person, don't you think? Regarding the form filled by Elvis you talk about, there are some possibilities: the form being a fake; Elvis not having his height properly taken (and probably rounding down it from somewhere under 6'); and perhaps Elvis did not take his height at the moment and used the one measured some time ago, or never measured himself and did a rough estimation using your method, Vandam. Who knows, myself I'm not very sure of my own height, because it has been measured many times in my house and the results have been different each time, remember that we are not pieces of steel.

vandam says on 8/Jan/07
Ramiro i think it is common sense , if your eye site cant figure out an approx height of someone standing right beside you need glasses sorry ! your graceland archive guys wrote on this site and told us that they cant even confirm if he was lower or above 6 feet . and these papers of yours contridict themselves , some say 5 11 3/4 and others 6.05feet and i found some form filled by elvis HIMSELF 1954 (a copy) stating he was 5 11 .and often gave approx . height figures on people and was 95% of the time right .

Ramiro says on 8/Jan/07
Yes Ed, and the official records, according to the response Graceland Archives sent to me some time ago say that Elvis was measured at 6'0.5'' in bare feet. Other military records like his driver's license state his height at 6', rounding down his height. There is not a single official document stating his height under 6'. Vandam, totally to the contrary you said, Elvis is one of the celebrities who has his height scientifically and officially measured, there's no need to roughly appreciate it. You can not state someone's height looking if you are at the same eye level because it's very difficult to know if that "eye level" is 100% rightly appreciated and furthermore the eyes, the mouth and everything is at different levels from one person to another. That unaccuracy is even bigger with celebrities like Elvis, because some people tend to overestimate celebrities' heights, impressed by the presence of the idol, and some tend to underestimate them, because they tend to be more skeptical about celebrities and to say "he is not that tall". The people you say that saw Elvis, saw him with shoes more than likely; the people I said that were very close to Elvis for years and say he was 6' and more, saw him with all kind of footwear and even in bare feet. One of them even wrote here (Richard M), he worked for Elvis for years and saw him in private moments in bare feet, and he says that he surely was at least 6' and very likely a little more. But I don't give too much attention to personal appreciations, specially when we have Elvis' height scientifically measured.

vandam says on 7/Jan/07
as ramiro said many times below , there is a military record , but not certain if it was rounded up or down , nothing certain , i ve done research many times on it , and i ve seen 5 11 3quarters to 6 05 so it s arguable!!

ED says on 7/Jan/07
WOULD NOT ELVIS' MILITARY INDUCTION MEDICAL RECORDS HAVE HIS HEIGHT ACCURATELY LISTED? PART OF THE INDUCTION IS A PHYSICAL EXAM, WHEREIN THEY OFFICIALLY WEIGH YOU.....AND MEASURE YOU BAREFOOTED.

vandam says on 5/Jan/07
you have a good point , just i dont think that theres really anything official on his height , really precise on it , for me a guy that stands in front of me and is at the same eye level , i can safely assume he is 5 11!! so the people i talked to are around that height and some knew people that were around that height and was standing close to him and elvis was not much taller or even same height ! so for me that kind of opinion id pretty good , no need for more so the height up here is pretty good , people said probably 6 feet when he was wearing his shoes , i'm easally 6' with my running shoes so you know for me case close . but i like you hahaha fun to argue with !! :)

Ramiro says on 5/Jan/07
Vandam, I've never said nothing to downgrade nobody, I fully respect everybody's opinion, to me is a pleasure being able to share opinions with all you; and I admit that I can be wrong in many things, if someone proves it I'll admit. But regarding Elvis' height, in my humble opinion, I'm only saying what the official records say, nothing more and nothing less. Personal appreciations have no scientifical value and don't forget that there are a lot of people who were very close to Elvis and say 6' and more for him. If you have to believe in all that was said about Elvis instead of going straight to the documented facts you'll become mad, because, as I said some time ago, almost everything has been said about Elvis. Nobody's personal appreciation can state Elvis' height with the same accuracy as a medical exam. The problem here is that we have no straight access to the document made at the time of Elvis' medical exam and, as a consequence, we have to go to other institutions that have the documents or at least access to them. They told us what the documents say, but some people insist in not believing them (to their surprise). Now, I'll tell you something: I'm on the point of sending to the U.S. military administration a request for information regarding this subject. I don't know if I'm authorized to receive this information, but for what I've read about there is a possibility, if not to receive a copy of the original medical exam, at least to get access to the height data. I'll tell you what I get, perhaps only the loud laughing of the U.S. government employees :-)

vandam says on 4/Jan/07
no offense there ramiro , but you seem to downgrade everybody that thinks differently than you and assume it is an obsession or a personnal issue with height or something , i just want to clear that out for ya right away , im 5 11 and 195 lbs , im a bodybuilder , i have no physical complex what so ever and i dont have vandam as a nickname for nothing , a base my comments on what i see and hear . and base on movies , actors , pics , and people that actually MET him
in person , better than any report or transcript that you can own !! so please dont assume you are absolutly correct and that everybody else here that says otherwise are complexed freaks or something and needs to get him down . not the case .

vandam says on 4/Jan/07
ramiro : WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO MAKE HIM TALLER THAN HE REALLY HIS !!

TJ says on 30/Dec/06
He was never 6'2 S.J. He was written up as such as early as 1955 though in promotional material. I think he was just a little over 6ft in the morning and a little under at night.

Ramiro says on 27/Dec/06
A little late to say it, but merry Christmas everybody and I hope you and yours have a very happy 2007 whatever your height :-)

vandam says on 23/Dec/06
for sure if for you Elvis was over 6 feet , thats what you believe , till someone proves you otherwise , you have the right to , i think otherwise du to discussions I had with certain people that knew him in a personal way or knew people that knew him very well and by comparing him with other people at 6 feet . does not matter really just taught was fun to see how much people still cared that much about elvis , to argue about his height .
merry x-mas and a happy new year to all the users here and the editors of this site was fun !!

Ramiro says on 22/Dec/06
I'm not the only one to put my opinion many times on this site. I just put it as many times as I see others putting theirs. Yes, poor Graceland Archives staff, they are not believed when they say the true Elvis height, the only one backed by the army records. Yes, it's a silly thing to discuss about so little difference, but I think that it is less silly if at least you use the true data. It was a big surprise to me to see that Rob changed Elvis' height at the top of the page without literally nothing (please, correct me if I'm wrong) to back that statement, while the official height backed on the army records is not believed. I'm sadly starting to think that this is only a question of "take it, obsessed Elvis' fans!". I've always said that if, at the end, someone proves that Elvis' exact height was 5'11.75'' I'd be the first to recognize it and say sorry for my insistence in the wrong way. But until now nobody nor nothing has proved that I'm wrong and Graceland Archives (although understandably tired of the controversy) backed my statements. In the Elvis' army records there is no height under 6', and even when Graceland Archives did some more deep research, after one of my questions, they confirmed that the exact height was 6'1/2'' and they use to round it down to 6'. So, in my humble opinion there is no reason to put Elvis' height under 6' at the top of this page and I have the same right to say it as others to say the contrary every time I post here.

vandam says on 20/Dec/06
M.Ramiro do you just like having your name last on this site with the last remark , you should not take it so personal , we all have our opinion as this is a forum for argumenting . It is fine you told us already you have your records about 6 times only on this page . I had my opinion in saying 5 11 3/4 did not panic because it was written 6 feet on the top of the page . and went to ask Graceland archive there opinion (again) . Thanks for letting us know (20 times ) that you have this info on elvis's height , that's really great .

POOR graceland archive researcher guy ! :)

Ramiro says on 18/Dec/06
I have to say that Graceland Archives Researcher has all the rightness here. We are discussing about a silly thing and I'm sure I have a big percentage of the blame. When I emailed Graceland Archives regarding this topic (one more time) I did it with quite shame because perhaps I'm not Einstein, but I have intelligence enough to be aware of my insistence in an insignificant question. The only important regarding Elvis, obviously, is his music and his undeniable impact in popular culture, and I agree, Elvis should be laughing out loud of me (and perhaps of some others) from heaven seeing that we are discussing for so long about 1/2 or 1/4 of an inch of his height. On the other hand, this is a site about heights and from this point of view it has some sense to discuss about heights, although this does not include to bother others who have more interesting things to do than to search for a portion of an inch through Elvis' records. Sorry, and this said, Elvis' height according to army records isn't less than 6', there is no evidence of Elvis' measurement at 5'11.75''. I'm not trying to be the new Galileo Galilei, but I think that to say the truth is not going to condemn me to hell.

Anonymous says on 16/Dec/06
Nice try.

Dan

Ramiro says on 15/Dec/06
You should read what Graceland Archives of Elvis Presley Enterprises answered to me (one more time) regarding Elvis' height and Daniel Calderaro (Dan).
Dear Ramiro Sanchez,

Both Elvis' U.S. Army Driver's License (issued in 1958) and his Army
transfer papers prior
to discharge (Feb. 1960) state Elvis' height at 6 feet even. The
driver's license states
his weight as 180 pounds and the transfer document states his weight at
170 pounds, so he lost
10 pounds during his active duty.

As for Daniel Calderaro, he has contacted our department asking
questions about
our collection, however, we have not consulted him for information as
we have
more than enough resources of our own here in Elvis' and Col. Parker's
collections
which contain over 1,000,000 documents.

The only outsider that we have consulted with was John Heath, an Elvis
memorabilia collector, who helped us to evaluate the current value of
items
we sold at auction in 1999. We have also worked with historian Peter
Guralnick,
record producer Ernst Jorgensen and a very select few other authors in
collaborating
on various book projects. Daniel Caderaro was not one of them.

As for seeing our documents, I'm sorry, our archives are not open to
the public.

Thank you for your devotion to and interest in Elvis Presley!

Best Regards and Merry Christmas,
Graceland Archives Researcher

Nothing more to say.