RisingForce says on 7/Nov/09
Look at him with 5'10" Chris Rock at 2:56 in this interview when they stand up. Click Here

Iverson has horrendous posture, but the height difference between the 2 is visible. AI is definitely 2 inches taller. Some here think AI is 5'10" which would make him the same height as Chris Rock. This proves how laughable 5'10" is.

Iverson definitely needs an upgrade. There's no way there's less than an inch between AI and Chris Rock. Rock looks small near Iverson.

Brad says on 28/Oct/09
I had 7" on him with ease when I met him. As listed is about right. He does wear chunky shoes. Ugly tats.

Mickey says on 26/Oct/09
I sit courtside at Nuggets games and the year that Iverson was there I often stood near him during warmups etc. In my 1" shoes I'm 6'0 on the money. He and I were pretty much eye level with each other. Without his fairly thick shoes, I'd put him somewhere between 5'10-5'11.

RisingForce says on 21/Oct/09
Jameer Nelson is 5'11" and 6'0" in shoes, Iverson clearly isn't as short as Nelson. Does Iverson look any shorter than 5'11 3/4" Chris Paul? Nope. Isiah Thomas is a legit 6'1", do you really think that Iverson looked that much shorter?

Iverson looks shorter than he is because he's in a league where the average height is 6'7" in shoes. If you put him next to most celebs on this site I guarantee he'd look taller than this listing. Don't forget that he was listed at 6'1" for a while.

Karl Karlsen says on 10/Oct/09
I also think he's 6' in shoes. For me it's impossible, that he's more than 180cm/5'11. He has the build of a man about 5'9-5'10.

RisingForce says on 4/Oct/09
No, I don't. You're just blind. Look at Iverson next to Lebron and Jason Kidd. Iverson is standing behind Rip Hamilton there and who says Rip is 6'5"? He's listed at 6'7" by the NBA so I'd imagine he's atleast 6'6" barefoot. The difference isn't that big here even considering posture. Click Here


Iverson wears sneakers with almost 2 inch heels? hahah, go look at a pair of cowboy boots, those have 2 inch heels. Iverson's sneakers add about an inch, maybe a quarter more.

Camera angles can really throw pictures off. For example Kobe looks only about 6'2" in this photo with Pau Gasol. Click Here

Viper, how the hell does he look 5'9" there? He's standing behind him and slouching. 6 inch difference there? That's delusional.

Telephoneline says on 30/Sep/09
Rising, you are off your rocker son lol. Though you are the same dude who thinks Sly is a ridiculous 5-10. You upgrade everyone except Michael Jackson for some reason.

AI is most certaintly 5-10. Look at him next to 6-5 Richard Jefferson and 6-10 Rasheed Wallace here. Click Here

Bronx says on 30/Sep/09
Barkley is 6'4 .75 he admitted himself. And AI always said that he is 6 ft in sneakers and considering the fact that the heels in his shoes are very thick (close to 2 inches) you can assume that he is 5'10-5'10 .5

RisingForce says on 30/Sep/09
Look at how Iverson compares to Lebron James. Click Here

Compare that to 6'0.75" Mo Williams Click Here

Allen is 6 ft, the talk of him being under that is because people love underdog stories. This is similar to those who say that 6'5.5"-6'6" Charles Barkley is 6'4" and that 6'7' Dennis Rodman is 6'6".

ScarletKnight says on 25/Sep/09
Iverson doesnt look any taller here than 5-9 next to 6-3 measured Vernon Davis. Click Here

ScarletKnight says on 25/Sep/09
There was a picture linked on here where 6-0 1/2 measured Ray Lewis and over 2 inches, actually it was more like 3 inches on AI. That 6-0 measurement is utter bunk because he was also supposedly measured at 5-11 and 5-10. Its all conflicting. What we do now is that hes not 6-0, thats laughable.

RisingForce says on 25/Sep/09
Iverson and 6'9" Chris Webber. Click Here

If AI was 5'10" or 5'11" as some suggest, his head would clearly be below Webber's chin, not above it. That's about a 9 inch difference.

RisingForce says on 21/Sep/09
Look at him with Kidd, do you see more than 3 inches? I don't. Do you remember the 2001 finals? It was well publicized that Iverson was bigger than Tyronn Lue. Iverson was listed at 6'1" in college, he just seems shorter than 6' because the average barefoot height of the NBA is roughly 6'6", even at his position(shooting guard) most players aren't under 6'4 1/2"- 6'5". That's why he looks so tiny. Remember John Starks? He was about 6'3" barefoot and he looked tiny as a shooting guard.

Karl Karlsen says on 18/Sep/09
Now he's 6ft? Hahahaha, sry but no way he's 6ft. Seems more 5'11...

RisingForce says on 17/Sep/09
Iverson and 6'3" Jason Kidd. Click Here

There's no way there's more than 3 inches between them even when factoring in AI's camera advantage.

RisingForce says on 16/Sep/09
Iverson was measured at 6'0" barefoot. Click Here

Don't believe that link? Check out these articles.

"Heights are from the Chicago predraft camp and were measured without sneakers.) 1. PHILADELPHIA - Allen Iverson, 6 feet, 167 pounds, G, Georgetown"- June 26th, 1996, Boston Herald

"Iverson measured in at 6-feet yesterday, compared to his college height of 6-foot-1."- June 4th, 1996 Toronto Star

"Measured at 6 feet and 167 pounds in the 1996 pre-draft camp"- January 6th, 2006 Los Angeles Times

dojoon says on 8/Sep/09
*Allen Iverson 5' 11.25" from predraft measurement...

Click Here

Karl Karlsen says on 19/Aug/09
wow so he's about 5'11. Thought he is about 5'9 or something like this. So this guy is 6f with shoes on... that's nice ;9

Marcus says on 23/Jul/09
Stood behind him at a Nuggets game in 2008. I am an even 6'1" and he was at least 2 inches shorter. Based on this it would make him about 5'10.5".

Kevin J. says on 17/Jul/09
Official measurements 2003: height w/o shoes 5'9 3/4, height w shoes: 5'11 1/2, weight 158.7, vertical 40'', armspan 6'0 7/8. was measured by the 76ers.

Anonymous says on 1/Jul/09
Needs an upgrade to at least 5 feet 11.25 inches...here's the link with MJ, Click Here wait till he's on level ground with him around 3:46 or so!

Dr.JMcP says on 30/Jun/09
This is a simple example of how the whole net can be fooled by 1 man! And my nick is an abbreviature of Dr. Jack McPhilemy - a former 76ers physician. You can asssume that many people have realized that maybe it's the real doctor who doesn't want himself to be recognized revealed Iverson's vitals. hahaha. I made a myth that still browsing the whole internet!!!

Dr.JcMP says on 29/Jun/09
They got it from this site and exactly from me!! Editor Rob can check that information. These measurements are not legit. I have invented that. Iverson was never measured by the NBA.

Divine#20 says on 28/Jun/09
Go to draftexpress they stated that AI is 5'11.25 with no shoes and they got this information from the 1996 pre draft measurements

kev says on 9/Jun/09
I think he looks around 5ft 11 and with his big shoes on about 6ft 0.25. and defentley around 11.5 stone. or 165pounds. If i stood next to him I should be around 3.5-4inches taller than him but then height is a funny thing you can be tall 1 day small the next.

Jake says on 2/Jun/09
People who say that confirm to me that they are dumb. Your real height is not in shoes.

Mr. W1N says on 2/Jun/09
Who cares how tall they are without shoes. Here's a question, when have you seen a pro or college player play without shoes on?

Mike S. says on 31/May/09
Very likely. Seems like the NBA does add on the 2" rule. Nate Robinson clearly states in a Youtube video of his Top 10 dunks that "I'm only 5'7", but don't let the height fool you".

skang357 says on 1/May/09
5'11 morning height and 5'10.5 afternoon height and 5.10" evening height.

Nighttime height less than 1 foot (sleeping lying down how tall can he be?)

LG69 says on 28/Apr/09
Yeah, I read that most pro athletes measure in their shoes and round up. I read that former NFL lineman, 400 lbs, Aaron Gibson is 6'4 1/2" in barefeet. The cleats give him 1"(6'5.5") and that is rounded up to 6'6". I'm sure the majority of players are measured and rounded like that. I'm 5'9 1/4" in barefeet, and exactly 5'10" in sneakers.

bigboi says on 27/Apr/09
i agree that most players get their height rounded up and with shoes on..but the 4 major sports arent played without shoes/cleats/skates..so measuring in shoes is the proper way if you ask me. shaq is 7'1'' but taller i shoes.actually hes almost 7'1''..point is..when they r playing their professional sport they r the size they are in shoes right? but ive argued my whole life that iverson is 5'10'' max..boy still gets elbow high on that rim..im 6'6 1/4'' barefoot.but i say im 6'7'' cuz i dont go anyt where without shoes.so why say 6.6 and a quarter? haha

yoyo says on 14/Apr/09
Iverson was 180 to 182cm. he cant be bigger than 5ft11.5 though.

The Cleverguy says on 16/Feb/09
How can Barkley be 6'6, when Jordan isn't?

Jim says on 18/Jan/09
Most players are listed by their height in shoes rounded to the nearest inch. There are a few like Kevin Garnett for example who prefer to go by their barefoot height. Ben Wallace is listed a whooping 3 inches taller than his barefoot height but that's to promote his center/power forward abilities. Many people think there's only a couple of players in the NBA who stand below 6 feet when in reality most of the guys listed 6' and 6'1 are actually around the 5'10.5 and 5'11 mark.

Danny says on 9/Jan/09
I think the NBA measures all the players with their shoes on.

Brent says on 4/Jan/09
I am also about 5'10.75 so can I say I'm 6 foot? doesn't make sense to me.

ballaholic says on 3/Jan/09
iverson is 5'10 1/2 barefoot and with shoes almost 6 foot...I played ball with him and other nba players at pauly pavillion UCLA.... after a few pick up games he and I spoke and I asked him how tall he was he said 6 foot with shoes on...we were the same height when we took our shoes off..to change into sandals...he wears reeboks with about 2 inch soles...made especially for his comfort...6 foot with shoes is right on the money....good work glenn...this was in sept 2002

king kong bundy says on 2/Jan/09
"Viper says on 7/Jun/08
Some guy on another site said AI was taller than him at 6-0. He also said he weighed 185 pounds and that he felt small next to him, lol. Such a farfetched sighting."

almost as farfetched as calling him 5-9

Shaq says on 21/Dec/08
Barkley is almost 6'6" and Jordan is nearly 6'5".

Jim says on 15/Dec/08
Actually, Gordon measured 6'1 barefoot at the pre-draft camp and Michael Jordan is a bit taller than 6'4. The only height you managed to get correct is Derric Roses' who did in fact measure 6'1.5 at the pre-draft camp.

CHICAGO says on 14/Dec/08
Allen Iverson is most likely 5'11..Charles Barkley is 6'4 and so is michael jordan, ben gordon from the bulls is 6 feet and listed as 6'3 and derrick rose is the same height as I am which is 6'1 and a half.

Jim says on 10/Dec/08
Iverson is 5'10.75. Early in his carrer he was listed by the NBA as 6'1. That was his height with shoes and heel pads on rounded to the higher inch. The 6'0 listing is ok considering some NBA players get boosted by a full two inches. DJ Augustin was measured 5'10 barefoot at the pre-draft camp but is now listed as 6'0. Steve Nash is 6'1 and gets listed at 6'3. Ben Wallace is 6'6 and is listed as 6'9. Most NBA players are listed 1 to 1.5 inches taller. It's more common for college players to be listed a full two inches taller than their barefoot heights. I knoticed many players were actually listed taller in college than they are now in the NBA, despite still recieving a 1 inch boost nowdays. Although height inflation is most popular in the NBA, the NFL, NHL and MLB also have many players listed a little bit taller than their barefoot height. Wayne Gretzky is 5'11 and was listed at 6'0. Steve Yzerman is 5'10 but was listed at 5'11.

Shaq says on 6/Dec/08
Mura says on 19/Nov/08
That's only your POV and it doesn't make this "guess" a reality! Barkley is 6'4! End of story!

Barkley is about 6'6". End of story!

Anonymous says on 26/Nov/08
5 ft 10.75 is correct.

MIA305 says on 19/Nov/08
I think he's 5-11 flat, they list him 6-0 in the NBA but that's with shoes on I think, and they always say he's a lil shorter than 6' that he's right under that. Maybe 5-11ish. They call him the best under 6 feet scoring guard in NBA history.

Mura says on 19/Nov/08
That's only your POV and it doesn't make this "guess" a reality! Barkley is 6'4! End of story!

Shaq says on 19/Nov/08
meme says on 18/Nov/08
barkley said in an interview with marv albert that he is listed at 6'6 but he admitted that his height is only 6'4..that came out of his mouth

This has already been covered. He says he's shorter than he really is to make his accomplishments at the PF position seem more impressive.

meme says on 18/Nov/08
barkley said in an interview with marv albert that he is listed at 6'6 but he admitted that his height is only 6'4..that came out of his mouth

Anonymous says on 14/Nov/08
rob isnt 180cm 5ft11?

Paolo says on 9/Nov/08
AI predraft measureament is 5'11 1/4 without shoes and in photo he always seems in 5'11 range

aiisawesome says on 8/Nov/08
AI is 5'10.75

Alex says on 24/Oct/08
I know for a fact this guy was listed at 6'1 for a few years in NBA. If so I doubt he'd be under 5'11 but now listed at 6'0 which would mean he could be as short as 5'10.

LANIIIIII says on 19/Oct/08
Iverson is about 5'10.98

anonymous says on 18/Oct/08
Iverson is 5ft11 1/2

Shaq says on 23/Sep/08
The point is that Barkley probably isn't 6'5" flat either. He's most likely over 6'5" and possibly 6'6" or just under at 6'5 3/4".

Google says on 12/Sep/08
Yes, sure, you both right! There is a big difference between 6'5 and 6'4 3/4, WOW. Sorry for the sarcasm!

Shaq says on 11/Sep/08
He dwarfed 6'1"-6'2" Letterman as well. Barkley isn't under 6'5".

Iverson also isn't under 5'10". He's probably close to 5'11".

Clay says on 10/Sep/08
Barkely is 6'5'' at least as he was taller than 6'4/6'4.5 Conan.

Google says on 7/Sep/08
Everyone knows that Barkley is around 6'4! He was lying that he is 6'6, only in Marv Albert's show he said that he's 6'4 3/4. P.S. Iverson is 5'10 legit!

Alex says on 6/Sep/08
He was listed at 6'1 at one point I remember. Very likely he's 5'10-5'10 1/2, 5'11 at most. I can't see him under 5'10.

Shaq says on 4/Sep/08
Barkley has always lied about his height. He's actually around 6'6" barefoot and atleast 6'7" in shoes(hence the mugshot) Your mug shot is usually taken when you're in shoes.

Google says on 4/Sep/08
Yeah Jacky! They also have Charles Barkley at 6'8, when he claims himself as being 6'4 3/4.

Cody 3D says on 3/Sep/08
THis is right, I met him out in Dever on August 15 and I always thought he was 6'0" but he was just an inch taller then me at 5'9"

brownsound says on 30/Aug/08
he's definitely 5'10 barefoot. with shoes on, he's close to 6 ft

Jacky says on 29/Aug/08
his police mug shot shows him at 6'0;

google it

Clay says on 28/Aug/08
Leave it to Viper to chime in and downgrade someone by an inch or two.

Raf says on 12/Aug/08
I think Allen's actual height is between 5'10 to 5'11

Shearer says on 28/Jul/08
I met him last week in MGM grand in vegas. My height is 174 cm and he was about 3-4 cm taller than me, no more than that.

Kev says on 27/Jul/08
Viper, AI is clearly posing and slouching in that photo. 5'9 for Iverson is just insane. This guy is just under 5'11.

Shaq says on 24/Jul/08
Larry Johnson's pre-draft measurement was 6'5.5" w/o shoes and I think LJ said he's 6'6.5" with shoes.

Ewing is in the 6'10"-6'11" w/o shoes and probably 7 feet with shoes.

I think Ewing was just joking about being 6'9".

JoeFalk says on 23/Jul/08
LJ isn't 6'3'' that's a bull**** clamed by dikembe mutombo, the same for pat ewing at 6'9'' after all. LJ is a strong 6'6'' almost 6'7'' and ewing almost 7 feet.

Shaq says on 23/Jul/08
Jay, can you post a link to back that up?

Jay says on 21/Jul/08
5'10 is Allen Iverson's height without shoes. His pre-draft measurement without shoes was 5'10 and in Sports illustrated for kids he said he's 5'10 and he's 6'0 standing on a phone book. Nuff said.

Shaq says on 19/Jul/08
Except for some key mistakes

The article says Dikembe Mutombo is a legit 7'2" but he's really 7'1.25"
The article says Jason Collins is about 6'8" but he's really 6'10.25"
The article says Larry Johnson is barely 6'3" but he's really 6'5.5"

dural says on 19/Jul/08
this article explaines a lot

Click Here

AI says on 13/Jul/08
Bruce, most basketball players list their height with shoes on. Basketball shoes will usually add anywhere from .75''to 1.5'' of extra height depending on the style. Some players add only half an inch to their barefoot height while others add two inches. I've noticed that in some leagues players who are listed at 6' measure only 5'9.5 to 5'10 barefoot at the NBA pre-draft camp. Even in the NBA an inflation of 2 inches is not uncommon. Players usually round their height with shoes to the higher inch, for example:

Barefoot: 6'.25
With shoes: 6'1.5
Listed height: 6'2

Bruce says on 9/Jul/08
why is he being listed as 6-0

Aaron says on 8/Jul/08
I dont care how tall Allen Iverson is he is a beast but if I had to say I would geuss 5'11

Shaq says on 4/Jul/08
That's kind of a difficult picture to judge though. Neither are standing straight, both are tilting their heads and Lewis is closer to the camera.

I wouldn't be surprised if Iverson was 5-9.75 but I can't tell by that picture.

Shaq says on 2/Jul/08
How tall is Ray Lewis?

AI says on 1/Jul/08
I think the 5'10.75 is dead on.

Shaq says on 30/Jun/08
Those links don't work. Besides a blog doesn't seem official enough.

There's no doubt that a 5'11 1/4" measurement was released but the question is, was it released by the team or the NBA?

OJ can you post the link to Iverson's 5'9.75" measurement? I'd believe it if I see the link myself.

2354 says on 29/Jun/08
Click Here
he's 5-11 1/4

awraf says on 28/Jun/08
Click Here

it says he's 5-11 1/4 w/o shoes moderator or whatever the heck you are

Shaq says on 22/Jun/08
Can you post a link? I'm sure Rob would downgrade Iverson to 5'9.75" if the link is legit.

Very interesting. So 5'9.75" without shoes, 5'10.5" with shoes and a 5'11 5/8" wingspan.

OJ says on 22/Jun/08
It's from a pdf file that I downloaded from rockymnt.port.com

Shaq says on 22/Jun/08
OJ do you have a link to that?

OJ says on 19/Jun/08
Nuggets info: "Though Iverson is only 5'9 .75 in sox, the additional gain to his height (about 0.25-0.75 inch) are the medical ankle supporting tapes which doctor Traina usually uses to muffle AI's ankles." "...to measure his arm length and armspan from fingertip to fingertip. The results are: 79 and 182 cm respectively"

awraf says on 19/Jun/08
Click Here
he's a little over a 5-11

Anonymous says on 11/Jun/08
There was a show he was on when he was a sophomore in nba. The host measured his height and he was 5-11.

P-Ross says on 6/Jun/08
I've stood next to AI, I'm exactly 5'10" barefoot, and he's a little taller than me, probably just about 5'11" would be accrate, about 6'0" in shoes.

Jas says on 31/May/08
What is the point of 5'10.75? 180cm is more like 5'10.87 in.
Besides, theres no 180.34 cm listings, so that means it's impossible for someone to be listed as 5'11 flat. I say If you're putting 180, might as well keep it at 5'11, as if the cm's are being rounded, the inches should be too.

Chevy says on 26/May/08
Sounds right. They have him in the "undrafted" category for some reason

Shaq says on 25/May/08
The Spurs did report Duncan at 6'11.5" barefoot but that was probably to promote the two 7 footer lineup with Robinson. That is just listed for historical purposes probably.

Duncan in reality is 6'10-6'10.5 like you said, no more no less. However many other teams report BS measurements like the Raptors reported Bargnani as 7-0 barefoot and 7-1 1/4 in shoes. I highly doubt Bargnani is even 7 foot in shoes because he is shorter than Bosh but the Raptors still reported that. The reason is probably to promote Bargnani as a legit 7 footer.

I don't see Duncan's measurement anywhere on the site.

Ozzy the problem with the Olympic "measurements" is they knocked EXACTLY 1 1/4 or 1 1/2 off every single players listed height so I doubt they even measured them. They listed Garnett at 6-9 3/4 too so those "measurements are BS.

Ozzy says on 25/May/08
I see no reason why the measurements posted on DraftExpress should be off. They seem to be quite concerned as they inform which are official, which are non-official but reliable, and which unofficial are not. However some of the measurements puzzle me:

Vin Baker official: 6'11, olympics: 6'9.75 ...?
Also
DraftEspress has Tim Duncan's 6'11.5 measurement as unofficial but reasonable... I strongly disagree that TD is anything more than 6'10.5, and that's at best.

Others:
Ray Allen: Unofficial but reasonable: 6'4, olympics: 6'3.5. Well, that seems okay, but then what about Rip Hamilton in this pic they look the same, AND they're wearing the exact same shoes:

Click Here

Shaq says on 25/May/08
Rob, maybe an upgrade to 5'11.25"?

Draft Express has him at 5'11.25" barefoot but lists it as an "unofficial measurement that looks reasonable". Click Here So that could have been one of those private measurements.

Seems 4.5 or 5 inches shorter than Dwyane Wade although Iverson is slouching Click Here

I'd say he's either 5'10.75" or 5'11.25"

j-Roc says on 23/May/08
I went to school with AI our freshman year of college i'm 6'1" and I know then I had him by about 3 inches. He hasn't grown since I last saw him. He is 5'10 3/4"

g-gagner says on 22/May/08
Iverson is 6 ft .. its impossible that one persn with his height can dunk so easy .. when he dunks .. i think heis like jordan farmar. and he listed at 6-2.. i dont think that allen iverson id 5ft 10 75..

Shaq says on 16/May/08
That isn't a pre-draft measurement. That poster didn't post a link to Iverson's draft measurement he just listed him 5'10" flat because that is what he estimates him at.

You'll need a better link than an internet forum.

Anonymous says on 15/May/08
pre draft measurements say 5'10 flat. Click Here

Mike says on 4/May/08
his 1996 pre-draft measurements w/o shoes was 5'11 1/4" weight 167 lbs

you can all google it. anonymous is right.
6 flat- 6'0.5" with his sneakers.

wingspan is like 6'3.25 or something
he's a legit 5'11

Michael says on 12/Mar/08
I've seen him a couple of years ago and he was my height exactly (5'9 1/2). Don't know why they list him as 6'0.

Jamal says on 11/Mar/08
You seem to forget Isiah Thomas as a dominate player in the NBA, one of the best way back when. He was only 6ft. I would even say a tad under shoe-less. It's not always the size. It helps that's for sure, but some people just have amazing talent. I know people 5'10 who are amazing, and people 6'7 who are so clumbsy they can't do sh*t.

g-gagner says on 14/Feb/08
heis taller than 5ft 10 .... i think !what do you think about gasol in lakers? kobe and gasol are the best .. if AI llbe taller woww11! A. iverson with (6ft 6? unstopp! AI IS ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE NBA NOW AN EVER"

hi says on 10/Feb/08
dwyane wade is another good example of height not inflated : 6-3.75 barefoot, 6-4.75 with shoes, listed at 6-4. Which explains why the diff with Kobe is not that big (who is listed 6-6 but who is really 6-4.75 barefoot)
I totally belive a 5-10+ real height for Allen Iverson. His long arms and jumping ability give an illusion of 6 ft+

jonathan says on 9/Feb/08
5*10 in a half is correct people. sorry to say people, but he*s only that height.

joe says on 6/Feb/08
im 6'1" with shoes on, i met AI last year in philly i was def. a little taller than him, i say hes about 5'11"

Anjay says on 5/Feb/08
ha man i am the smallest on my team but the best i practice so hard i want to go to the nba email me aj123247@yahoo.com

leonari says on 5/Feb/08
g-gangner: FirstKeith Jennings is NOT 5'8". He was never listed 5'8". Check your facts. you are a ball player right?? nooo. Any guy really interested in the NBA knows that NBA players give their heights in sneakers. Almost every single NBA Player is an inch shorter tha listed. Michael Jordan was never a full 6'6". Maybe a tad over 6'5"...
There exceptions like maybe Gary Payton...

g-gagner says on 4/Feb/08
LEONARI :NATE ROBNSON :5FT 9 /SPUBB WEBB IS 5FT 6/DAMON STOUDAMIERE IS 178CMABOUT 5 FT 10 ,KEITH JENNINGS IS 5FT 8 ,AND AI IS 6FT +(184)CM,AI WITH HER ARMS LOOKS LIKE MORE LONG THAN STEVE NASH !

g-gagner says on 4/Feb/08
ai:6ft(183m-) but he is very long.. his arms .. ,he can dunk so easy bcse he gt a longs arms ,i dont think that hes like tj ford or CP,YEAH,HE JUMP TOO MUCH IN VERTICAL ABOUT 1M ,BUT HE^S 6 FOT ,I THINK THE ANSWER GT A CRAZY ARMS AND THAS SPECIAL ,MAKS DIFERNT 4 HIS HEIGHT

leonari says on 3/Feb/08
Zedrick: You don't know too much about the NBA, do you?
Here a short list of short players:
Earl Boykins :5'5"
Keith Jennings: 5'7"
Nate Robinson '5'8"
Spudd Webb: 5'6-5'7"
Damon Stoudamire: 5'9"

So you see it's total crap to believe only players 6'1" and up are accepted in the NBA.
BTW: The list goes on...

zedrick says on 2/Feb/08
Hum, I thought the NBA never took players shorter than 6' 1", clearly I am wrong. I think it is cool that a guy Iverson's size is such a dominate force in the league. Does anybody have information about players Iverson's size or shorter? The only other short player I can think of is Mugsy Bogues (5' 3")

leonari says on 30/Jan/08
g-gagner. Indeed Iverson has crazy arms.. But I never heard of a 6'2" or 6'1" height for iverson... Why would they list him 1 or 2 inches smaller in the NBA than he really is?? Makes no sense at all. Sorry. The tallest I could believe for A.I would be 6 feet flat. And it's not like Iverson was 16 when he came to the NBA. He was in his early 20 ies...

g-gagner says on 30/Jan/08
he,s not 5'10 he is taller,about 185cm(6ft 1),he like steve nash

g-gagner says on 29/Jan/08
i am gerald gargner ,i was last year with allen iverson in his home .and i think he,s 6ft 2 inches (1 86) cm ,he looks short but when yo are next to him is diifrent ,and he got a very longs arms ..

Alex says on 20/Dec/07
Iverson could be 165lbs at 5'10. At 150lbs he'd be more thinner I think.

Matt-Jersey says on 5/Dec/07
I met AI like 5 years ago in the Sixers locker room after a game. I was about 6'2" then and I was a lot taller than him without his shoes on.

CHRIS - DENVER says on 28/Nov/07
I always thought AI was maybe like 5'10 or 5'11 cause he looks so small. I'm 6'0, 6'1 w/ shoes and he was my height or a tad taller probably b/c he had those timberland shoes on. Maybe he has lifts in his shoes that make him taller when he's hitting up the clubs. I think he should probably be listed at 6'1 170. I saw and talked to him in a club out in Denver (5 degrees) 3 months ago.

moe says on 21/Nov/07
AI is 6 feet. He's even taller than Chris Paul. I was wathing one of the Nuggets vs. Hornets games and CP looked as though he was AI's son, LOL! AI even bulked up to 180lbs. Now he can take the ball to the hoop at will and have a lesser chance of getting hurt. Check out his playfile page:Click Here

Ozzy says on 2/Nov/07
Hey, look, Paul Pierce grew an inch over the summer at the age of 30...

Anonymous says on 26/Oct/07
Travis Best was measured 5'10.75" at the 1995 chicago pre-draft camp

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But I doubt the 5'11.25" height came out of nowhere and a 5'10.75" guy could EASILY mistake 5'11.25" guy for being the same height as him.

Anonymous says on 22/Oct/07
Upgrade to his pre-draft listing of 5'11.25"

giacomo says on 21/Oct/07
travis best said he doesn't look any taller than me: 5'11 nikos t. plakas tplay Click Here basketball

the second commin of baron davis is here! says on 20/Oct/07
yo word up everybody hope you lot kool, jus wanted to say if all nba players are listed 2 inche taller then there be sum hell of alot of short nba players, no offence to nate robbinson, but how tall is he then??? i kno for a fact that AI is 5'11 no doubt. ill still give it up to nba players coz they full of tallent. yo shout out to every body and stay blessed. peace

iKen says on 19/Oct/07
damn AI is 6 feet tall? hell nah..i will compare myself to him and ill still have 3.5 inch on him..but anyway allen iverson is one my idol so yah!!!

iKen says on 19/Oct/07
yah i agree AI is a legit 5,10ish..he doesn't look 6 feet flat to me not at all.

Anonymous says on 12/Oct/07
lol what are you talking about? There is no rule to how nba players are listed. Example...Shaq is 7'1" and listed 7'1", Vince Carter is 6'5.5" and listed 6'6" but Desmond Mason is 6'6" but listed 6'5" while Steve Nash is 6'1" and listed 6'3".

Anonymous says on 6/Oct/07
NBA Players are listed 2 inches taller then there actual heights

Anonymous says on 11/Sep/07
He was measured 5'11.25" barefoot, 167 pounds and a 6'3.25" wingspan in 1996.

Sexxy Beast says on 8/Sep/07
I remember SI did a test on Iverson. They measured him without shoes and his height measured 5-11.5 so I think your listing is a little off.

Mura says on 8/Sep/07
To Jason: Scan that page that describes him as 5'9 1/2 and show us PLEASE!!!

Jason says on 7/Sep/07
I've seen him described as 177cm (5'9 1/2'') in an old basketball magazine of my brother's. The 165lbs he's always been listed at is exaggerated also - he wouldn't be over 150.

truthBtold says on 6/Sep/07
Glad to see the height estimates for AI are starting to conform with actual eyewitness accounts, and not toward the impressive skills of a shorter man in a real tall man's game. It is also funny to me how being slightly built can skew the perceptions of height both ways! Huhhh?!?!? Check it for yourselves people use it to make Kevin Bacon shorter and AI taller. Repeating my Jan/06 post, He grew up in Va, and people that knew him well have told me he is 5'10 or was even in the his short Georgetown days, no pun intended.

Anonymous says on 5/Sep/07
lol if Vince 6'3 1/2" barefoot then T-Mac is barely over 6'4". The 6'5 1/2" height makes sense for Carter and someone posted here a long time ago that Carter was measured 6'5 1/2". Anyway A.I looks 5'11" next to Ray Lewis and next to 6'3" Jason Kidd

Mura says on 4/Sep/07
Typo only with Lue's height? Maybe carter is 6'3 1/2 ever think of that? "VC is 6'5 1/2 barefoot end of story". End of your story, LOL! BTW I don't give a F... about carter's height, it's AI's page!!!

Jonathan says on 4/Sep/07
AI can pass for 6'. Most people think i'm 6', but i'm barely 5'10 barefoot. I have a long figure so it looks like i'm 5'11 or 6'. So allen isn't really 6'.like i said more like 5'10 to 5'll. I CAN TELL by the way he use to dunk because, i dunk the same way with one hand.

Jonathan says on 4/Sep/07
allen iverson is 5'10.5 to 5'11. Terrell Brandon(older player) is 5'll and if you watch allen iverson's rookie game vs cleveland when he dropped 50 points, Terrel is about a half an inch taller than my dude AI. Hate to say it, but AI isn't 6'0. whenever he stands next to someone 6'0 or 6'1, he's a little shorter than them.

Anonymous says on 4/Sep/07
give me a link to anything showing Lue 5'9". Also that could have been a typo putting the asterisk there ever think of that? VC is 6'5 1/2" barefoot end of story.

Alex says on 27/Aug/07
He probably is only 5'10. The could pass for a 6'0 guy on the court though.

Mura says on 26/Aug/07
To Anonymous 22/aug/07: And you believe them? They list Tyronn Lue at 6'0 and they say that heights were measured w/o shoes, so even if AI is 5'11 1/4 barefoot as you claimed earlier, then Lue should be 5'10, because Iverson is more than an inch taller than him!!! So your POV is wrong!(search through the i-net for some photos of AI and Lue from NBA Finals 2001) P.s. BTW everyone knows that Tyronn Lue is 5'9 or so.

Anonymous says on 22/Aug/07
Oh you want a link? Vince has terrible posture but he was measured 6'5 1/2" barefoot and weighed 219 pounds.

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Vince Carter 6'5.5" 219 pounds
Paul Pierce 6'6" 229.5 pounds
Antawn Jamison 6'7.75" 230.5 pounds
Brad Miller 6'11" 255.5 pounds

I back up my statement with a link. Vince is 6'5 1/2" barefoot case closed. Allen Iverson is 5'11 1/4" barefoot.

ChicoNico says on 20/Aug/07
I got Allen Iversons autograph in Milwaukee a few years back and he wasnt even taller than my barely 5'11" brother.

I Know It All says on 16/Aug/07
The posted height of "5 ft 10.75 in" barefoot looks totally accurate!! ...Vince Carter is Not 6'5 1/2" barefoot!! He's that(barely) in 1 inch shoes!! I remember vaguely of him in a Gatorade commercial playing in the street with the other sports stars. He looked short, barely taller than everyone else in the commercial!

Anonymous says on 7/Aug/07
T.J. Ford was measured 5'11" barefoot. Jordan and Barkley are taller than 6'4" flat too. Allen Iverson is 5'11 1/4 barefoot. Vince Carter was 6'5 1/2 barefoot so Jordan must be atleast close to 6'5"

NBA says on 6/Aug/07
the NBA boosts some players heights but not all. AI is really 5'10.5 barefoot. Charles Barkley is 6'4 just like Jordan, TJ Ford is 5'10 as well. Nate Robinson is 5'7 3/4

JWill says on 17/May/07
Look at this, here is proof that Allan Iverson is 5'10'', look at him standing next to 5'7'' rapper Jada Kiss in this hot 2004 Reebok Answer 6 Iverson Jadakiss commercial. He's only 3 inches taller.
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Anonymous says on 15/May/07
Tracy is 6'6 1/4 here he is with 6'10 Hakeem Olajuwon

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snipa says on 15/May/07
i wouldn't be surprised if iverson is 5'10'' because he has very long arms wich make him eligable to be registered as a 6 footer!!! what i'd like to know is if kobe and tracy's height is made up too??? ....etc

g_dawg says on 9/May/07
GQ magazine's May 2007 edition has an extensive article on Allen Iverson. The article ends with a discussion of his height. Quotes taken straight from the piece:
Larry Platt (editor of Philadelphia magazine; Iverson biographer): "I've stood next to him and I'd say he's like, five ten."

Brad Greenberg (former general manager, Philadelphia 76ers; head coach, Virginia Tech): "Five Ten."

Allen Iverson: "I'm six feet. Legit."

I'm willing to believe 2 people's opinion that he's around 5'10" over Allen Iverson's own claim, which might've been his height measured in shoes at the NBA pre-draft camp. Once again, more evidence he's 5'10". End of story.

g_dawg says on 22/Apr/07
Allen Iverson is 5'10.5" George Karl, his coach, was listed as 6'2" (height with shoes) when he played for the ABA. He probably lost a half inch of height since then, making him 6'0.5" barefoot. Karl is 2 inches taller than Iverson in this photo: Click Here

A.I. is 5'10.5" End of story.

diego says on 13/Apr/07
you are so cool im one of your bigist fan

2Pac says on 13/Apr/07
Larry Brown is not 5'8, he is exactly 5'9! Look at the pictures with Nate Robinson (5'7 .75 at the pre draft camp)- Larry is an inch taller than Nate!!! P.s. editorial.gettyimages.com for pictures!

more_evidence says on 11/Apr/07
Allen Iverson is around 5'10". On the show Quite Frankly, Stephen A. Smith (who's 5'11") is clearly taller than A.I. by an inch. Also look at photos with Larry Brown and Iverson...Larry Brown was listed in the NBA as 5'9", but now he's certainly 5'8" or less. Iverson appears 2 inches taller than Coach Brown.

2Pac says on 26/Mar/07
JWill give us a photo of that page in SI or smth to proove your words!

Anonymous says on 25/Mar/07
He is shorter than Jim Gray by an inch or 2 it looked.

JWill says on 23/Mar/07
Iverson said himself in sports Illustrated for kids that he is really 5'10'', He said he's 6'0'' standing on a phone book.

Anonymous says on 21/Mar/07
He should have been a great legend, it's admirable that only being 180 cms he could become a legend.

Anonymous says on 15/Mar/07
Gilbert is 6.2.25 barefoot according to his pre-draft measurement.

Anonymous says on 13/Mar/07
gilbert arenas listed 6-4 was measured 6-3 1/4 in shoes... he looks even shorter.. around 6-1 1/2 without shoes I'd say.. I saw a pic where he looked shorter than terry and jones.. what do you think?

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i'think allen is 178cm barefoot and 181 cm in shoes.....

odb says on 2/Mar/07
you guys don't kno nuthin, the NBA measuring should be pretty accurate, a.i. is 6 with shoes, and 5'11 without, u guys don't kno shit

NBA says on 18/Feb/07
doc rivers says hes 5'10, and he says hes being generous with that. 5'11 is a bit too much

Antron says on 15/Feb/07
certainly short by NBA standards, but it clearly hasn't hampered his ability. Dude can throw down with relative ease, I would be surprised if he were shorter than 179cm. This mug has him at 6 foot, probably with shoes:
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The police have no reason to exaggerate. I think the current listed height is accurate.

Rossco says on 17/Jan/07
Yeh good pic Jack it didn`t look as though he was standing much further away tho but now i see it i can see it`s correct 5ft 11.5" as listed then?

Derek says on 16/Jan/07
Rossco- Marbury is 6'1" and Iverson looks 5'11" tops.

matt says on 14/Jan/07
i met him once he looks 6 but hes prob 5'10 the reason i say that is hes so long people think hes a tiny guy but he has some of the longest arms and biggest hands ive ever seen

tgan says on 28/Dec/06
hes definetly 5-11 (180-181 cm) although he looks like 5-10 all the time as he has a thin frame and when you see him on the court with all the tall giants, its not suprising to think his shorter.

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In his wedding photo he clearly looks quite tall and even though hes bending slightly hes still taller then the other guy..no way is he 5-9 like some say ridiculous...

Alex says on 18/Dec/06
For a couple of years he was listed at 6'1 on NBA.com they they list him at 6'0. I think 5'11 is probably his barefoot height.

r jacob says on 13/Dec/06
shook his hand in a niteclub, I'm 5'10, allen is 5'11 maybe 5'11 1/2.

Anonymous says on 10/Sep/06
im 6"ft1 with shoes on 6ft2 with boots, and when i met him i had my boots on hes no more then 5"11 at best

Derek says on 23/Aug/06
i went to the nba store in nyc and on the wall, his measurement is 6' w/shoes. barefoot, i'd say 5'10 1/2"-5'11". amazing player though.

Alex says on 14/Aug/06
Ray, he's def a great ball player but if he's really 5'10 even though I think he could be 5'11 then they would have inflated his height by 3 inches. Thats pretty rare for NBA. Normally its 1-1.5 inches inflated.

Rayray says on 11/Aug/06
hes listed as 6'1 but thats deffnitly wrong. i'm 6'1 and when i got his autograph he looked no taller than 5'11 , but that was with his shoes on i would say hes like 5'10 barefoot. i was kinda suprised but either way hes a great ball playa.

Conner Iannone says on 10/Aug/06
All the basketball players heights are exaggerated. A lot like wrestlers. Ben Wallac is 6'6.5 but gets listed at 6'9. Now, is B.Wallac really as tall as Tim Duncan? Come on.

Alex says on 6/Aug/06
I think he could be 5'11 but nothing more. Looks over 5'10 flat though. You may think he's even shorter sometimes because you'll see him on the court with guys much taller than him which will make him look shorter. They use to list him at 6'1 so I doubt he'd really be 5'10 getting his height inflated 3 inches. 5'11 seems accurate.

jesse says on 3/Aug/06
i say the guy is a shrimp im 15 and 5-11 im taller than him i got his autograph i say he is 5-10

gary dowe says on 22/Jul/06
it realy doesn't matter how tall a NBA player has. you dont have to be big you have to play big

goldvirgo says on 22/Jul/06
Meting him I would say about 5-11.5 with shoes on. Im 6ft barefoot. I weigh about 165lbs. Im probablly a little slimmer than him.His arms arent as long as they say to.

Ozzy says on 19/May/06
Believe I've seen Marbury at 185 or 186 cm somewhere, so, 6-1, and I think that makes sense. With Francis I guess it's the same with him as is the tendency with most nba 6-3 guys: A 6-3 guy in shoes tend in most cases to be 6-1.75 to 6-2, so my guess is Steve Francis at 6-1.75 (think he was listed at 6-2 in college also, so it makes sense). Robinson I think is somwhere in the 6-11.5 to 7-0 range.

Ball-A-Hallic says on 17/May/06
what about stephon maurbury he's 6'2 or 6'3 i think 6'0 actually and steve francis he's looks 6'1 tops not 6'3.

Jason says on 14/May/06
Jason Kidd was listed as 190cm (which is 6'2 3/4'') at the 2000 Olympics. Probably right, though sometimes even the Olympics fudges height for whatever reason. I remember David Robinson got listed as 216cm (7'1'') at the 1996 Olympics and Allen Iverson was listed as 182cm (5'11 1/2'') at the Athens Olympics just past.

deepestvoice says on 13/May/06
I have been surprised somewhat to find out how false a lot of athelete's heights are. I remember during the 2002 NBA Finals preview in Sports Illustrated they listed Jason Kidd as 6'5. I knew he never looked that tall. Where do writers get these heights from?

Quad-4 says on 8/May/06
ROB....The reason why they like to list these guys heights with shoes and then round up is likely to increase their confidence in their playing abilities.

It's about psychology. ("I'z ain't no average FOO. I'z gos game bruther'. U ain't fina dunk on me. Step back part'ner.......")

Anonymous says on 7/May/06
We can all agree on that the height are way off. I think deadman makes a good point when saying that position matters. Height is more important from a coachs pow at the 5 than at the 1. DHoward have never tried to upgrade himself, in an interveiew he laughed at the question about his height, saying that his own listings are way off: listed at 6-11, DH said something in the lines of: "no way, I'm barely 6-10 in shoes, hedo is taller than me, people percieve me as taller because i am big this way (across his chest).
I also found some interesting numbers in the FIBA archives. I think the players are measured in cm when they compete in intl tournaments and the heights of the nba players differ quite a lot from the nba-listings. Examples (nba listings in ()):
Jason Kidd: 6-2.75 (6-4) 190 v. 193 cm
Gary Payton: 6-2.75 (6-4)
Allan Houston: 6-4.75 (6-6) 195 v. 198 cm
Vin Baker: 6-9.75 (6-11) 207 v. 211 cm
Shareef Abdur-Rahim: 6-7.5 (6-9) 202 v. 206 cm
Alonzo Mourning: 6-9 (6-10) 206 v. 208 cm
Ray Allen: 6-3.5 (6-5) 192 v. 196 cm

Anonymous says on 26/Apr/06
yea wagner was measured at 6 1/4 barefoot at the pre draft camp. so that means he should be in the high 5'11's real height, since the camp is not at night. a normal person is about 1 inch taller in the morning, then 1/2 inch shorter at afternoon, and at night its usually down another 1/2 inch. and dont forget at the camp, the players stretch ALOT before they play, and to be measured, that helps them get a tad taller

deepestvoice says on 26/Apr/06
Yeah, NBA heights are way off. Dujan Wagner is a prime example. He got listed at 6'2 and was probably closer to 5'10 or 5'11 max. Same thing with Tony Parker. He's listed at 6'2 and Bill Walton even said he's only 5'll. Nobody can really tell because everyone is tall out on the court, so people really don't question a player's listed height.

Jason says on 24/Apr/06
Mutombo saying Larry Johnson barely topped 6'3'' when measured? Hmmm, I'd say he'd have to at least be 6'5''. Charles Barkley being only 6'4'' flat sounds right, though.

deadman says on 23/Apr/06
i really don't know why there is any debate...if you have ever played any sports you know they list your height at what you tell them, or what you measure in shoes. i played high school basketball, and was 5'11 my senior year but got listed at 6'1. my brother was 5'9 and listed at 6'. when i went away to college, i would stay on campus for part of the summer. a lot of local area guys(that either went to other schools, or were already playing professionally in the nba or cba or europe) would come home for the summer. aj guyton who played at indiana and played for the bulls and lakers was from the area. he was always listed at 6'1, but in shoes was barely 6'. willie coleman who went to depaul, was listed at 6'3, but was only 6'0.75 barefoot(and quite chunky). it also depends on what position you play. coleman was a shooting guard, aj ran the point. and leung, you're right, i found the nba rising stars video and he says 6'5.

Anonymous says on 20/Apr/06
you guys have to think about it, even the pre draft heights might not be right. have you ever measured youself in the morning, afternoon, and night? I consider myself 5'9.5, when i wake up im 5'10.5, afternoon 5'10, and night 5'9.5. gravity takes you down during the day. dont believe me, measure yourself

marvin williams was 6'7 barefoot at the pre draft camp, but listed at 6'9. dwight howard is listed at 6'9 barefoot but listed at 6'11. what if they measured in the morning, and did tons of stretching right before they measured? I would too if i was an nba player, your stock goes up. extra inch = millions of dollars if your a good player

maybe dwight howard is 6'9 in the morning, 6'8 at night. nba heights are way off.

Leung says on 17/Apr/06
CoolJ, 6'3" come on man that's exaggerated. Larry Johnson was officially listed as 6'7" but he was closer to 6'5.5". Early in his career he played Power Forward and then Small Forward during his years at the Knicks.

Anonymous says on 17/Apr/06
if collins said hes 6'11.5 with shoes, ankle braces, orthotics, and 2 pair of socks, those stuff would add about 2-2.5 inches of height. have you ever went to a shoe store and saw a pair of size 15+ shoes? those shoes at least give 1.25-1.5 inches of boost. add that with ankle braces and 2 pairs of socks, its really alot of height.

patrick ewing is not even 6'10, but listed at 7-0 in his entire career. he even said it himself

deadman says on 17/Apr/06
larry johnson stated that he was 6'4. if you can locate the nba rising stars video from 1994 i think, he says it on there

CoolJ says on 17/Apr/06
In reference to the bullman article.. Collins was measured pre-draft at 6'10.5" so its highly unlikely he's actually only 6'8 -- Larry Johnson barely topping 6'3" .. come on

Anonymous says on 17/Apr/06
nice article bullman.. i still remembered the nba finals between new jersey and the lakers a few years back, when shaq and kobe was still together with phil, and the nets subbed in jason collins for mutumbo or arron williams, i forgot. so collins comes in, listed at 7-0 while is twin brother jarron collins was 6-11 at utah. so he comes in the game, stands next to shaq, and was like not even eye level. it was like he gaved away 3 inches, and i was like.. damn, thats a buge inch. his shoulders was at shaqs chest

Ball-A-Hallic says on 16/Apr/06
I'd say tim Duncan and Peja are both 6'9(without shoes) than KG looks a solid 6'11(with shoes and it looks like Shaq is 7'1 but if Shaq's 6'11.5 than KG gotta be 6'9.5 and Tim D and Peja would be 6'8.

bullman says on 15/Apr/06
Click Here
check that out

[Editor Rob: an interesting article bullman, I laughed at the guy talking about the idea of getting measured on an inversion table first thing in the morning...]

CoolJ says on 12/Apr/06
Tor: Although that may be true for some cases.. I believe the player/team still has the final say in what goes into the media guide, and ultimately gets propagated everywhere else.

See Steve Nash who is nowhere close to 6'3"

Tor says on 11/Apr/06
NBA measures players height in shoes at the Chicago Combine. On average, shoes add and inch and a quarter to a player's height, and you can assume that, by and large, that amount was added to every player's height. This is often forgotten and color guys act like it's a secret that Charles Barkley was closer to 6'4 than his listed 6'6". He was 6'4 3/4" (NBA History page). In shoes? 6'6". KG refuses to be listed as a 7 footer, though he is, because he doesn't want to be defined as a center. He IS 7'1" in shoes, about 7 feet tall barefoot. By the way Childress' height isn't 6'5", it's 6'6 1/2". Interesting fact, Iguodala is also 6'6 1/2", but their listed height is two inches apart. Iggy wore thinner shoes at the Combine, and they rounded down. Childress wore thicker shoes and they rounded up. It would be nice if the league did away with the whole "in shoes" thing and rounded to the closest inch measurement (or gave fractions), but then again, they don't measure standing reach or wingspan, or vertical leap for the fans, and that's just as important to how tall a player plays.

CoolJ says on 10/Apr/06
KG is supposedly one of the guys in the NBA who's supposedly to be his listed height, or slightly over. which makes O'Neal's height claim of 6'11.5" ludicrous.