How tall is Boris Kodjoe - Page 3

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Average Guess (58 Votes)
6ft 3.39in (191.5cm)
Andrea said on 9/May/18
That's exactly what you do, Canson. Running to people. You did it with Christian, throughout all this discussion, and then with a very questionable poster like viper, when Christian was away and couldn't defend you. And no, Rob never said that "he doesn’t know about the footwear". I'll copy and paste what he said to refresh your memory: "Footwear...I know Kobe has under inch, but the style Boris has isn't much different than what converse are designed like. I doubt there is much between their sneakers.". Of course he doesn't say he's 100% sure about that because he's not an arrogant c*nt like you are. And who cares if you wore canvas shoes. First of all, are Boris' shoes the same model you wore? And second of all, you are the same guy who says that if you tilt your head down, you're going to measure taller, which is scientifically impossible unless you have a deformed head, so I'd take what you say with a large pinch of salt.
As for the Average Guess, I have never submitted a single vote in my life because I really don't believe in that for the reasons I have already stated and to me it means nothing, so I don't see why I should secretly submit 6'4+ votes, but you're free to believe so. I don't really care. Though if I ever decided to do something like that you can be sure that 1) the Average Guess would be exactly as much as I want it to be and 2) I certainly wouldn't be so stupid to submit one vote after another to make it increase as fast as possible and get busted by Rob, unlike someone else. 😉
As for viper (not that I'm really changing the subject), if anything, I am the one who decided to stop talking and ignoring (both of) you. And I certainly am not the one who adds people on Twitter to keep talking behind other people's backs, which is something that only sad people with a sad life would do. You're right about one thing, though. viper hasn't been that active recently. I'm really wondering why. 😊 Btw, have you noticed that the number of votes stopped increasing since his departure? 😲 That being said, do not despair. I'm sure he will come back sooner or later, with one of his many fantasy names, unless he already has of course...
As for me saying that if Boris ever turned to be as low as 6'3, I would never come back on here on here out of the embarassment, and not "Run away from this site out of embarrassment and disappointment" (the quotation marks are used to quote someone's exact words, so at least make sure that I really said something like that before using them, mind you)... I don't know why you're so obsessed about that, but that's just a figure of speech. A hyperbole, to be exact. But again, I don't expect an ignorant guy like you to even know what I'm talking about. And the reason why I said something like that is because I have certainly seen enough to rule out 6'3... BUT if Rob ever met him and said that he isn't over 6'3, I would have no problem with it. Although I would put a lot of pressure on Rob to drastically downgrade every celebrity that appeared with Boris because that would mean that they are nowhere near their current listings, and to review the listings of those people that he has met because that would mean that he has overestimated them by a good amount too. 😉
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 9/May/18
@Andrea

Just because Rob says that Boris didn't have much footwear advantage over Kobe, it doesn't make it true. Also, how do you know if Rob has a lot more knowledge about footwear than Canson? Do you have any statistics to prove it? (which is impossible) Or are you just saying that because Rob's the owner of this site? He's not a perfect height-god like you describe him to be. For example, you should know first hand that he isn't because you "challenged" Rob's initial 6'2.75" lisiting for David Morrissey as 6'2", and he eventually lowered his listing to 6'2", especially after meeting him in person. And you've also admitted to have disagreed with several of Rob's listings for celebs as well and they've turned out to be in your favor when Rob met them. But all of a sudden, because Rob agrees with you about the footwear difference between Boris and Kobe, you have this "Well Rob agrees with me so it must be automatically true" mindset. I'm sure Rob doesn't like it when people use him to push their narrative. That's exactly what you're doing right now.
And estimating shoe differences are harder than heights because some shoes give more or less height than it looks on the outside. I have a pair of sneakers that looks as if it gives about 1.25" but is acutally only .75", a pair of casuals that looks .5" but actually gives 7/8", and a pair of runners that looks 1" but gives .75"
Editor Rob
I used to have the Sneakers page on here, and have looked at a lot of of them over the years, although there is always room for error in estimates if you haven't measured a specific model.

I've had to look and measure a lot of them so I can try to be reasonable especially with celebrities I've seen.
Canson said on 9/May/18
@Tunman: yea for Barkley he claimed 6’4 6’4.5 or 6’4.75 or 6’5. the measurement at the 92 Olympics was 6’4 5/8. Not sure when that measurement was (time of day) but I’ll be fair and say he was also on the heavy side back then so not sure how much height he lost in a day. I do believe he measured 6’4.75 as well and that he would easily clear 6’5 out of bed. A lot of teammates such as Joe Klein and Moses Malone have called him 6’4 and then other teammates such as Ainge And Mo Cheeks called him 6’4 1/2 or 6’4/6’5 while Dan majerle said he’s “maybe 6’5”, probably 6’4”. I can almost rule out a flat 6’4 or even a hair over with that but 6’4.5 at a low is possible meaning closer to 6’5 (6’4.5-6’5) for the entire morning possibly.

As for Boris, he can look 6’2 range with Jaime Foxx and 6’3 at other times. Then at times he can look 6’3.5 or 6’4, even perhaps over. But like you said not all pictures are good. Looking at him with Charles Barkley and Kobe Bryant and Cam newton, 3 guys who are closer to their listed heights here (all within maybe 1/4” at peak), he looks 6’3”. While Kobe and Cam look probably 195ish today, Barkley at his age looks closer to 6’4” at times than 6’5” which wouldn’t surprise me considering he’s also had hip replacement
Andrea said on 9/May/18
Haysbert I think could be closer to 6'3 today, maybe 6'3.5, but he certainly can't be 6'4 if Boris himself is tall as that as he does look comfortably taller than him. But yeah, Boris can certainly look over 6'4 at times if certain celebrities are really as tall as listed. Just to give one (of the many possible) example(s), I still have hard time to believe that a guy like Tyler Perry is even a mm taller than Boris: Click Here Now, it is true that we can't see their footwear in that scene, but even giving Tyler the benefit of doubt that he has say half an inch less footwear (and I doubt it can be more than that, considering that if you look at his other scenes in the movie he's wearing slippers that won't give much less than 2 cms) still doesn't explain how Boris looks "so much" taller than him. I mean, if anything, their listings should be reversed...
That being said, 192-3 is certainly within the realms of possibility for Boris, but overall I would say that he could be anywhere around 6'4, be it a fraction over or under (which is certainly harder to say). But 6'3? That's a big joke.
Andrea said on 8/May/18
I wouldn't have because Cam's stance is completely different than Kobe's, but I don't expect you to understand something like that, Christian.
And as expected, you called camera angles/positions/etc. an excuse because you don't even know what I'm talking about, which is funny, considering that you sometimes RANDOMLY bring them up to "explain" those photos that are not convenient for YOUR narratives. Like you did there. It's funny that you complain about that picture when you posted a pic like this: Click Here A picture where Cam is clearly closer to the camera, in order to make Boris shorter than he is. If that doesn't expose your hypocrisy, I don't know what it does.
And there you go again, misunderstanding things and jumping to conclusions. I've NEVER said that you and Canson submitted multiple and/or lowest possible votes. Are you able to read, at least a little? My accusations were actually levelled against one poster alone. And although I have no proof of what I'm saying, I'm pretty sure about that. Just like I was pretty sure about that argument we had about Ray Fisher's page, even if I had no proof (before Rob retrieved all the older comments). Btw, didn't your parents ever tell you not to tell lies as a child? 😊
P.S. Canson, you are so dumb, LOL.
Canson said on 8/May/18
@Andrea: nope. I will never spam Emojiis like a teenage girl like you do just because you think that you are making someone look bad in front of others which is what you do. But that shouldn’t surprise me because you aren’t very mature seeing as how Viper and I both completely stopped talking to you and Viper even ignoring you and you still continue to attack us. I guess we made a huge enough impression on you though. And for you to say that I wouldn’t believe Rob if he met him, if he does look it with Rob then I would accept it. On the other hand, you would “Run away from this site out of embarrassment and disappointment” if he wound up only being 6’3”. That’s childish there but I wouldn’t expect anything less from you. Same with your excuses and crap like you like to call others on. I can see you “accusing Rob of wearing lifts” with Khodjoe just like you did with Jamie Foxx as an excuse. Or it would be that Rob made a mistake by underestimating him or something was wrong with the picture. These are all things that you have done so please don’t sit here and accuse me of the same bullsh*t you do
Canson said on 8/May/18
@Andrea: you just validated what Christian and I said about you having to run to Rob and solicit his opinion. To his credit, Rob doesn’t know about the footwear. He didn’t say that there is no advantage. He admitted that he didn’t know. And Christian and I have both owned canvas shoes and other sneakers. Not to mention he and I aren’t the only ones that have said that Boris has a footwear advantage in the picture. However, we all know if They were to switch shoes, that Kobe would “have a footwear advantage” according to you and it would be a fact. And Of course it’s “my opinion” when it does not support your narrative but a “fact” when it does which is why nobody here takes anything you say seriously. You just act entitled and everyone is just supposed to agree with and bow down to you.

@Christian: yep. that’s what Andrea does. He makes statements like that. I said the same that he could be submitting the 6’4+ votes as well. Funny part is he mentions Viper is “quite active on this page”. That’s odd because Andrea not only has far more activity than Viper, but Viper has not even been that active on Celebheights recently let alone this page. He was more active on Merriman’s page than here.
Tunman said on 8/May/18
He could even look over 6'4 with someone like Haysbert.As for Barkley,well,he could often look a solid 6'5 or even over but I just rule it out.I mean the dude claimed 6'4 though he's obviously rounding down.Did also claim 6'4 5/8 and 6'4.75" which is much more likely.Could it be after a game?maybe or maybe not.The same could be said of Kobe.Just some humble guys like Padalecki(whom Rob met and said was no more than 6'4 compared to McPartlin).Think of Kilborn,Momoa,or Parrack.
On the same way take a Nathan Fillion and dudes like Will Smith or even Matthew Fox,again I would bet the former would edge the two others if Rob ever meets them.
Back to Boris 192-3 is the most reasonable guesses.Must say there is still some situations like with Tyson Beckford where he looks 6'4 tops but possibly slightly under.Again pics aren't always reliable but I feel he could have decent posture at times
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 7/May/18
@Andrea

At least I appreciate that you finally acknowledged the fact that Cam isn't gaining any height from his knee. If I didn't mention the fact that Alfie Allen's stance was different than that of Cam's or Kobe's, you would've probably gone the "Cam was gaining height by going up on one foot" route, like you tried to do with Kobe.
And as expected, you once again complained about camera angles/positions, footwear and ground level. It's funny to see that you're so strict on camera angles/positions, footwear and ground level when you posted a pic like this Click Here This exposes your hypocrisy and also proves that you tried to use that pic to make Boris as tall as, if not taller than Cam.
And if you accuse me and Canson and others of submitting the lowest possible votes, I could easily turn around and say that you submit the highest ones. I never voted 6'2". I did vote 6'3" once because that's how tall I see him as. And maybe there are visitors that just see Boris as being shorter than 6'4" so they voted based on how tall they think he his, have you ever thought that? Don't accuse people of doing something which you have no proof of. Didn't your parents ever tell you that as a child? LOL
Canson said on 7/May/18
@Andrea: Michael Jordan is taller than Boris Khodjoe. Sure the pic isn’t the best but look at how Boris stacks up to Kobe and Barkley. So why is the pic with Rick Fox any better than this one when we can all clearly tell Fox isn’t standing straight? Whether you want to admit it or not, he isn’t. And Both Kobe and Chuck are similar in height at their peak. Barkley measured 6’4 5/8 and Kobe was measured 6’4 3/4. There is a better chance that Barkley is not as tall as he was at his peak being 55 years old today and in the physical condition he is in such as being obese and having had a hip replacement. If you watch the way that he walks, you could tell. Even if you argue that Jordan is 195cm (He was measured 6’4.5 when he was drafted), that still puts Boris at 6’3”, which is just how he looks with Kobe or Barkley. However, knowing you, you will do anything to diminish the height difference. Of course you not only make an excuse about Kobe’s stance but also that Boris does not have a footwear advantage when it is a fact that he does. Just because you either are not aware of footwear differences or are just playing dumb because you don’t want to admit that Boris can look a solid 6’3” as opposed to 6’4 does not mean that the footwear difference doesn’t exist. You are the first one to say that to Christian or me “Just because you aren’t aware of camera angles etc” yet when someone says it to you, you ignore it and respond back about something else that you “accuse them of doing”. You don’t want to admit when you are wrong. And no 6’3.5 is not the lowest that one could argue. That’s the lowest that you could argue for him. You represent probably 1% of the population on this site so your opinion is not the only one obviously. So nothing you say is a fact. And like Christian said, I also acknowledge that there are photos of Boris looking 6’4” as I’ve also gone on record to say that his height looks all over the place. However, because you are very sensitive about Boris’s height and get very defensive when someone says he looks under 6’4, you will probably turn this around like you always do.
Canson said on 7/May/18
@Andrea: why do you make statements and accusations like that? Stating that we submit multiple votes? If people do, then they do. I can say the same thing when the avg guess rises. I could easily say that you submit multiple times but I realize that there are others here other than just you. In addition, you come across as a know it all the way you talk to Berta, Christian, and me. I’m going to take a page out of your book and say “Just because you say that Boris is 6’4” does not mean that he is”. That’s your opinion just like you say that it’s my opinion that Boris doesn’t have a footwear advantage on Kobe. However, that is a fact. He does have a clear footwear advantage on him. A canvas shoe is not going to add a full inch in height to anyone whereas the shoes that Boris had in the picture do add about 3 cm just like a pair of Jordan’s. Kobe’s wife Vanessa stated on the twitter page that he’s 6’4.75 barefoot and with a 1.25” sneaker he would be 6’6”. Boris’s shoes are no less than that and could be up to 1.5” as some sneaker add that much. In the picture with Cam Newton, Boris also has a footwear advantage and it is more than just 1/4”. Cam’s shoes add less than 1” to him whereas Boris has a dress shoe on. That’s at minimum a full cm difference.

As far as Kobe’s measurement, how is that any more prone to error than Cam’s? You’ve seen Rob say that errors often occur with large data sets haven’t you? So someone could read out 5113 (like the example he posted) and be 5111. Not to mention there is very little difference between 6’4.75 and 6’5 in terms of appearance. Let’s say if Boris were a strong 6’3 guy. He could be 6’4” out of bed and measure 6’3.25 at a low and have just measured in the AM. My guess is that he’s 1/4” less and to your last post, yes I do believe he looks 6’3”. As I mentioned before Fox is clearly not standing straight. I bet had that been reversed and if Boris were the one not standing straight or if there were some other issue with the picture, you would not say that. If Boris looked several inches shorter than Fox as opposed to 1.5 or 2”, you would’ve completely disregarded the picture all together or you would be preaching to us that “Boris is not standing straight, etc”
Canson said on 7/May/18
@Andrea: why do you make statements and accusations like that? Stating that we submit multiple votes? If people do, then they do. I can say the same thing when the avg guess rises. I could easily say that you submit multiple times but I realize that there are others here other than just you. In addition, you come across as a know it all the way you talk to Berta, Christian, and me. I’m going to take a page out of your book and say “Just because you say that Boris is 6’4” does not mean that he is”. That’s your opinion just like you say that it’s my opinion that Boris doesn’t have a footwear advantage on Kobe. However, that is a fact. He does have a clear footwear advantage on him. A canvas shoe is not going to add a full inch in height to anyone whereas the shoes that Boris had in the picture do add about 3 cm just like a pair of Jordan’s. Kobe’s wife Vanessa stated on the twitter page that he’s 6’4.75 barefoot and with a 1.25” sneaker he would be 6’6”. Boris’s shoes are no less than that and could be up to 1.5” as some sneaker add that much. In the picture with Cam Newton, Boris also has a footwear advantage and it is more than just 1/4”. Cam’s shoes add less than 1” to him whereas Boris has a dress shoe on. That’s at minimum a full cm difference.
Canson said on 6/May/18
@Christian: Jordan also has a 6’4 1/2 measurement. But I agree with you
Canson said on 6/May/18
@Andrea: there is no proof That he is a full 6’3 and you can obviously tell that Fox is standing straight in this pic vs the one with Khodjoe
Canson said on 6/May/18
@Christian: well said! It’s the opposite of “it would make Rick Fox 6’4.5, or Dennis Haysbert 6’2” etc. you know the poor pics that we have to agree with Andrea on or else he will get angry
Canson said on 6/May/18
@Andrea: he had a footwear advantage with Kobe as well. Of course you won’t admit that. But that doesn’t surprise me. IT DOESNT SUPPORT YOUR NARRATIVE. And just because you say he doesn’t have the advantage doesn’t make it fact. Yes you are getting old


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Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 5/May/18
@Tunman

That's more than a full inch of difference between Boris and Barkley. It's a solid 1.5" if not 1.75"
Andrea said on 5/May/18
"Average Guess means nothing, berta. And this is one of the many cases that prove it. Also, remember that viper is quite active on this page... I'm sure that submitting a 6'2 vote (just because you can't vote any lower, of course) with one of his countless names/accounts before going to bed helps him sleep better. 😉"
It would certainly be interesting if Rob could publish the full list of votes and see who really submitted a 6'3 (or lower) vote, once you rule out "people" like free, checker, Dez, frankdatank, dginzu, Trey, gaia, Jonesey, etc. And Christian & Canson, of course. 😊
Editor Rob
Unfortunately I can't, I decided not long ago to alter it so that the aggregate vote is retained, but individual votes are not...so nobody will ever find out what people voted.
Andrea said on 5/May/18
Well, Tunman, it also depends on how tall Barkley really is as he can often look over 6'5...
I can't completely rule out something like 192, but he generally does look taller than that, and more of a genuine 6'4 than the majority of celebrities listed at the same mark (or over) here!
Andrea said on 5/May/18
No, you couldn't, Christian. The fact that you put Cam's and Kobe's stances in the same category proves that you don't even know what I'm talking about. In Kobe's case, in fact, there are certainly grounds for that, and in any case, I've always given Kobe the benefit of doubt that he is NOT gaining any height by doing that because the photo is shot from a high angle and it's hard to say if he really is raising his foot or not. In Cam's case, I'd safely rule that eventuality out because it's a totally different stance and you can certainly tell he's not gaining any height there.
As for those guys you have mentioned, those estimates simply come from your delusional speculation about their postures (like in Cam's and Kobe's case) and/or bad photos where Boris has a noticeable disadvantage (like in The Game's and Michael Jai White's case). It is not surprising that you call those things an excuse though, because, as I said, you have no clue about camera angles/positions/etc. And you keep proving it by bringing up pictures like those. Again. According to that "logic", I could easily make a case for a 6'5 (or over) Boris, but I don't because, unlike you, I'm well aware of them. Also, the only guy who was truly "officially" measured is Cam Newton. And maybe Kobe, although that 6'4.75 figure does come from her wife, so there's always a room for an error. A guy like Charles Barkley wasn't measured at 6'4 5/8, but that figure was simply mentioned in ONE article and there's nothing official about that. If you want to believe he got measured at that mark, you're perfectly entitled to do so, but don't come here and speak of it as if it was a fact because it's not. As for Michael Jordan, I wonder how you calculated that difference, considering that there isn't any good picture of them together. I assume this is the picture you're referring to when you basically say that Michael looks 1.5-2 inches taller than Boris: Click Here First of all, I dare anyone to tell any height difference between them from a picture like that. And second of all, I could post this other photo of them Click Here , which, btw, is a much better photo than the other one angle-wise, and say that Boris is taller than Michael, but I don't because 1) you can't see the footwear, the ground level and the way they're standing, JUST LIKE THE OTHER ONE and 2) I highly doubt he's taller than Michael because it doesn't fit with how he generally looks next to the other people.
Tunman said on 5/May/18
Too bad we don't have very good pics with Barkley as he could hover from looking very close to nearly 2" smaller.Would have thought a full inch of difference though.Maybe 192-92,5 is better but up to everyone to give his own guessesClick Here
berta said on 5/May/18
he is a tall guy i think 6 foot 4 ish is a good estimate for this guy.But the average makes me think he could be 192 guy. there is not often the average guess is almost 1 inch off
Andrea said on 4/May/18
Pff. You're getting old, Canson. Your next "argument" will be that Boris wears lifts, LMFAO. Btw, just because you think (or you try to convince yourself) that Boris has footwear advantage over those guys you have mentioned doesn't make it a fact. The only occasion where he really seems to have a "noticeable" footwear advantage (meaning at least 1/4 inches or over) is in those photos with Cam Newton. And there's more than one occasion where Boris even has some footwear disadvantage, like next to Chi McBride: Click Here Click Here Click Here
As for Rick Fox, there isn't more than 1.5 inches between them and that's taking into account Rick's posture (otherwise it would be even less than that) and this video Click Here . Here's a guy who truly is 6'3 (or in any case near enough that mark) with the same Rick: Click Here Rick is leaning a lot more with him, but he still looks noticeably taller next to him than how he does next to Boris. Are you really trying to say that Boris would be as low as him (6'3)? LOL
Chrstian-6'5 3/8 said on 3/May/18
@Andrea

I could tell that Alfie Allen was going up on his left foot just by his stance, even if no one ever told me. His stance was different than Cam's and Kobe's.
And if Boris was really 6'4" (which I'm not saying it's impossible but I highly doubt), by that same token Cam would be about 6'5.5"-6'6" (despite being measured 6'5"), Kobe would be 6'5.75" (despite being measured 6'4.75"), Charles Barkley would be 6'5.5"-6'5.75" (despite being measured 6'4 5/8"), Michael Jordan would be about 6'5.5"-6'6" (despite being measured 6'4 7/8") John Isner would be 6'10.5", The Game would be at least about 6'4.5", Michael Jai White would be about 6'1.5", among others.
But of course, you'll make every excuse in the book about those guys, whether it be camera angles, footwear, "gaining up on one foot", or that I have "no clue about height differences".
Canson said on 3/May/18
Rick Fox is clearly leaning with Boris and we cannot see their footwear. That’s more than just a 1.5” difference between them
Canson said on 3/May/18
I can see Padalecki edging Boris. How much is unknown but I’ve seen pics with Jared in thinner footwear in pics with other celebs. I have yet to see a pic where Boris has a footwear disadvantage with another celebrity. Instead, He generally has the footwear advantage including the pics with Kobe, Cam Newton, Wayne Brady to name a few
Canson said on 3/May/18
I can see Padalecki edging Boris. How much is unknown but I’ve seen pics with Jared in thinner footwear in pics with other celebs. I have yet to see a pic where Boris has a footwear disadvantage with another celebrity. Instead, He generally has the footwear advantage
Andrea said on 2/May/18
Like I said... 😊
A couple of things. I never said that bending your knees makes you taller, but I said that going up on one foot makes you taller, which is a bit different. The fact that someone's knee is bent can be a direct consequence of that sometimes. Look at Alfie Allen here: Click Here You would probably say he's dropping some height in that picture, but he is not, and in fact he's even gaining a bit more height than normal! As for Boris, I've never said that there's no way he can be below 6'4. I've always said that something like 6'3.5 (the absolute lowest I can see him at) isn't 100% impossible, but if he really was as low as that, that would mean that basically every celebrity he appeared with needs a major downgrade (and some already do, if he's only 6'4 flat)! Although I can't completely rule it out, I see something like 6'3.5 for Boris as likely as 6'3.5 for a Jared Padalecki. Quite unlikely, but not 100% impossible. Put it that way. What I COMPLETELY rule out is 6'3. And you know why? Because that would make that would make Rick Fox no more than 6'4.5, Kim Coates no more than 5'10-5'11, Wayne Brady a weak 5'10, AJ Calloway no more than 6'-6'1 (hence Jared no more than 6'3), Casper Van Dien no more than 5'8 (hence Rob no more than 5'7), Wentworth Miller barely over 5'11, Dennis Haysbert not much more than 6'2, Chi McBride not much more than 6'3, Tyler Perry no more than 6'3, John Cena barely over 5'11, that 6'3 1/8 MEASURED guy nothing over 6'2, etc. I'm sorry if can't see them that low (especially those ones that Rob has met and that I doubt he would overestimate by an inch or over).
P.S. The only person that you keep making look like a buffoon is yourself, when you come out with comments like those. What's even funnier is that you don't even realize that. That's fine, though. I won't burst your bubble. You are the best, Christian! 👍👍👍
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 1/May/18
@Andrea

Don't lecture me about what distorted angles are when you apparently don't even know what the definition of "distorted" is. According to the Merriam Webster dictionary: "the act of twisting or altering something out of its true, natural, or original state." The camera angle in your pic was distorted because the angle was shot from near the ground instead of straight ahead, which visually alters the actual height difference of Boris and Cam.
And like I said, I still would've called the pic out if Cam looked 3" taller than Boris, so I don't know what you mean by "convenient for my narratives".
And I already acknowledged that Cam was standing a bit closer. And that was the closest to accurate angle pic I could find, which is much more accurate angle-wise than yours. I'm not trying to make him seem taller.
And if both of them had their eye's straight ahead, Cam would've still had a higher eyelevel than Boris. Btw, Boris' knee isn't bent to the point where he's losing height, and barely any different than the guy on the left. Unlike Cam who's knee is obviously very bent. If anyone has a fetish and an obsession with knees it's you, because you lie by saying that people gain height by bending their knees, which is scientifically impossible. You claimed that Kobe gained height by having his knee bent, which is just utterly ridiculous. And I'm not making up the height difference. If you consider the camera, footwear and postural disadvantages, the difference looks really looks anywhere between 1.5-2". But of course you'll deny it because in your mind, there's no way that Boris can be below 6'4". You're the one who said that you'll never come back to this site out of embarrassment if Boris is proven to be 6'3". On the other hand, I never say that 6'4" is impossible for Boris, it's just very unlikely. But yet I'm the one who can't respect and tolerate other people's opinions? LOL
And "Don't even bother to reply"? What kind of comeback is that? Deep down you know you don't want me to reply back because I keep making you look like a buffoon. Just admit it.
Canson said on 1/May/18
The difference in shoe between Boris and Cam is at least a full cm. The shoes Cam has on in those pictures wouldn’t even add a full inch to his height while Boris is wearing a regular dress shoe that adds 3cm to his height
Canson said on 1/May/18
@Christian: agreed. Cam would edge Boris the same way as Kobe would. Boris was also standing closer to the camera in that picture with Kobe
Andrea said on 1/May/18
Distorted angle? LOL Do you even know what an angle is? Let me answer for you. Obviously not. As I said, you have no clue about camera angles/positions/etc., but you sometimes RANDOMLY bring them up to "explain" those photos that are not convenient for YOUR narratives. Like you did there.
And, as totally expected, you posted a picture where Cam is standing closer to the camera to make him taller than he is. Despite that and the fact that he's raising his eyelevel, he still doesn't look much taller than Boris. I can agree about one thing, though. Boris' shoes look a bit thicker than Cam's, maybe 1/4 inches. Apart from that, I don't think their postures are much different. Sure, Boris might have a slightly better posture, but it's not going not make any noticeable difference. And in case you didn't notice (which is a bit surprising for a guy who has a fetish for "bent knees" like you, but not so much surprising for a guy who has hidden agenda like you), Boris' knee is bent as well.
Funny how, according to you, "if everything were equal, Cam would've looked about 2" taller than Boris, at the very worst about 1.5" which "coincidentally" would make Boris as tall as you want him to be (no more than 6'3). And you even have the nerve to come here and accuse me of making excuses? When that's exactly what you (constantly) do? Here we go again. You accusing me of things you're guilty of (like you did with that argument about Ray Fisher's page, which you conveniently disregarded, now that it's been proven to be another lie of yours). You really are hopeless, LFMAO!
P.S. Don't even bother to reply because I'm certainly not going to have another never-ending discussion that leads nowhere. Especially with you!
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 30/Apr/18
@Andrea

It's bad because the pic was taken from a distorted angle, regardless of who looks taller or shorter. If Cam looked 3 inches taller than Boris in that pic, I would've still called it out.
And your narrative that Boris is as tall as Cam failed because here's a pic of Cam looking taller than Boris despite Cam having footwear disadvantage. Click Here I know Cam's standing a bit closer to the camera (this is the most camera equal pic I could find of the two) but notice how Cam's has less footwear, his knee is bent, he's leaning a bit more, and his legs are spread wider than Boris', making him appear significantly shorter. If everything were equal, Cam would've looked about 2" taller than Boris, at the very worst about 1.5". But knowing your past, you'll probably make yet more excuses like claiming Cam was gaining height by bending his knee and diminish the footwear difference, which btw you did both of those things with the Kobe and Boris pic.
Canson said on 29/Apr/18
I think Cam would measure under 6’5” later in the day. I used to think he was a legit 6’5” but after seeing how early the measurements take place along with pics with guys like Manning, Roethlisberger, and others, I can see him being similar to Kobe Bryant at 195cm. However, a 6’5” combine measurement, assuming that the timing of the 2011 measurements was similar to other years where it had been around 6 am, means Cam could be as low as 6’4 1/2” in the afternoon. That’s if the 6’5” was an accurate measurement to begin with.
Andrea said on 28/Apr/18
Well, your last comment certainly fits my narrative, Christian. My narrative for which you have no clue about camera angles/positions/etc., but you sometimes RANDOMLY bring them up to "explain" those photos that are not convenient for YOUR narratives.
Why is that angle bad? Is it because you don't like the way Boris shapes up next to Cam? LOL
P.S. I would have let it go, but since you got into this brilliant discussion again... Rob recently retrieved all the older comments for every page now. EVEN RAY FISHER'S. I suggest you to go take a look at it, my dear Pinocchio. 😊
Canson said on 27/Apr/18
@Christian: there are some other pics out there. Cam is for sure taller than Boris

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Canson said on 27/Apr/18
@Christian: yea the difference with Cam and Boris shouldn’t look any different than Boris and Kobe. Kobe and Cam are roughly the same height. Now for Cam a 6’5” morning height at the combine could mean he comes down to 6’4.5 at a low possibly but he looks 195 most of the time. He looked just as tall with Rob gronkowski as Kobe did with Gronk
sulu2018 said on 24/Apr/18
He is listed as 6ft 3.5in almost anywhere else on the web.
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 24/Apr/18
@Andrea

You constantly told me that posting pics with bad camera angles is bad, so why are you posting that one? Is it because it conveniently fits your narrative? And btw, Cam's shoulders are higher than Boris'. Even from that bad angle, I can tell that Boris doesn't look any taller than Cam.
Andrea said on 23/Apr/18
Although we can't see their footwear, he doesn't look any shorter (possibly a bit taller in fact, once you take off Cam's hat) than Cam Newton, who is supposed to have been measured at 6'5 (although he probably is shorter than that as he looked a bit shorter than Kobe in a couple of pictures): Click Here
Andrea said on 23/Apr/18
Junior, 6'3.5 doesn't seem impossible with Kobe, but it does seem too low with everybody else... If he was as low as 6'3.5, that would mean that every celebrity he appeared with needs a major downgrade (and some already do, if he's only 6'4 flat)!
Canson said on 19/Apr/18
@Junior: with Kobe and Barkley, he honestly looks 6’3” flat imho, especially taking into account the footwear advantage he had on Kobe
Junior Hernandez 1990 said on 19/Apr/18
I believe 6'3.5" if Boris stand straight although he can look 6'3-6'3.25" with Kobe and Barkley. 6'3.5" literally 191.7cm not a full 192cm so is hugely possible and he don't look only 6'3 with 5'11 Bruce Willis. Added Conan O'brien look the range as Boris to me.
Canson said on 13/Apr/18
@Andrea: funny you mentioned The pic Boris has with Kobe to Berta but of course you didn’t post it because it doesn’t support your narrative. And In this pic you can clearly see their footwear in addition to the fact Boris is closer to the camera and wearing a hat.

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Canson said on 13/Apr/18
@Andrea: why do you make up stuff like Viper submits votes before he goes to bed or that he’s rigging it? You know, there are pics out there that suggest he is below 6’4 and the one with Kobe is a prime example. He’s not 192cm next to Kobe no matter how much you believe he is. That’s over an inch difference and he has a clear advantage in footwear. Your opinion is respected and you should learn to respect others
Andrea said on 13/Apr/18
Average Guess means nothing, berta. And this is one of the many cases that prove it. Also, remember that viper is quite active on this page... I'm sure that submitting a 6'2 vote (just because you can't vote any lower, of course) with one of his countless names/accounts before going to bed helps him sleep better. 😉
Yeah, he basically always looks at least 6'4 with every celebrity he appears with. Although you can certainly say that something like 192 is not impossible next to Kobe (if he really is as low as his 6'4.75 listing), even that mark generally does seem too low for him. If he was as low as 192, that would mean that basically every celebrity that appeared with him should be downgraded by a visible amount (and some already should be, if he's only 6'4 flat). I mean, look at him with:
1. 6'1.5 listed Boris Becker: Click Here Click Here Click Here
2. 6'0.5 (6'1 peak) listed Steve Harvey and 6' Tyson Beckford: Click Here With the same Steve Harvey, back in 1998 (so certainly still at his peak height, considering that he was only around 40 back then): Click Here
3. 6'5.5 listed Kevin Durand: Click Here Click Here
4. 6'1 listed Oded Fehr: Click Here Click Here
5. 6'6 listed Rick Fox: Click Here Click Here
6. 6' listed James Van Der Beek: Click Here
7. 6' listed Kim Coates: Click Here
8. 6'7.5 listed Magic Johnson: Click Here Click Here
9. 6'1 listed Brian J White: Click Here
10. 5'11 listed Wayne Brady: Click Here
11. 6'4 listed Henry Simmons: Click Here
12. 5'10.75 listed Tyrese Gibson: Click Here
13. 6'1.5-6'2 range AJ Calloway: Click Here The same AJ with Jared: Click Here
14. 5'9.25 listed Casper Van Dien: Click Here
15. 5'11-6' range Dr. Oz: Click Here
16. 6'0.5 listed Wentworth Miller: Click Here
17. 6'4 (6'4.5 peak) listed Dennis Haysbert: Click Here Click Here
18. 6'3 range Nigel Barker: Click Here
19. 6'3 range Jerome Boateng: Click Here
20. 6'3 1/8 MEASURED Damien Woody: Click Here
21. 196 listed Dustin Brown: Click Here The same Dustin with Andy Murray: Click Here Click Here
22. 6'4.5 listed Chi McBride: Click Here And Boris even seems to be in less footwear than Chi: Click Here Click Here With the same Chi, back in 2000s (when Chi was only just over 40, so I doubt he had already lost anything by then): Click Here
23. 6'0.5 listed John Cena: Click Here
24. 6'4.25 listed Tyler Perry: Click Here
25. 6'4.75 listed James Avery (in his late 50s): Click Here
viper said on 11/Apr/18
I always thought he was like 6-2-6-3 before I even knew his height.
Canson said on 11/Apr/18
@Berta: he really does look closer to the average here than his listed height here on CH with 6’4.75” Kobe Bryant given he also has a footwear advantage over Kobe. The most I could argue in that pic is 6’3” flat.

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berta said on 9/Apr/18
average guess seems strange he always looke in the 6 foot 4 range.
Canson said on 31/Mar/18
@Viper: Looking at him with other celebs. He can look under but peak may be a full 6’4”. As for Boris I’ve never seen them together
viper said on 30/Mar/18
What makes you think hes under 6-4
Andrea said on 30/Mar/18
That's a totally random and non-sense statement...
Canson said on 29/Mar/18
@Viper: my apology. Cress looks 6’3.5ish more than 6’4
Canson said on 29/Mar/18
@Viper: and Cress isn’t even a legit 6’4” listed here 6’3.5 I think
viper said on 28/Mar/18
He doesn't look as tall as a 6-4 guy like Cress Williams.
Canson said on 13/Mar/18
@Celebheights 6’1.5: another one to add that you may know is Brandon Roy. I’m about an inch shorter than him too
Andrea said on 13/Mar/18
Well, Canson, although I agree that Merriman's height can really look all over the place at times, I can't say the same for Boris. In fact, Boris basically always looks at least 6'4 with every celebrity he appears with, although there are definitely a very few occasions where you can argue that a fraction under 6'4 is not impossible for him (like that picture with Kobe)... As for Idris, the absolute lowest I'd ever try to argue between them is 3 cms, but to be honest, in that movie they did together he really could look anywhere between 1.5-2 inches shorter than Boris...
Canson said on 12/Mar/18
@Andrea: at a low if he’s 6’4” flat we would be about identical in appearance as im down to 6’4.25 most days. You’re right we would be hard to tell difference. I had a feeling he would edge Merriman but not sure now who would be taller. Merriman looks all over the place. Boris too but not to that Extent. As for Elba, Boris had him by maybe 2-3cm at times at others could look 1/2” or so
Andrea said on 11/Mar/18
As I said, I strongly disagree about that, but you're certainly entitled to believe whatever you want, Canson... 😊
To be fair, I've never ruled out a fraction under 6'4 (which can certainly be argued next to Kobe), but, considering that he generally looks at least 6'4 next to everyone else, I certainly wouldn't give him any less than that. I mean, even at 192 (rather than 193), if he really was as low as that, that would mean that basically every celebrity that appeared with him should be downgraded by a visible amount (and some already should be, if he's only 6'4 flat). Let alone 6'3 (or under)!
That being said, who knows, maybe one day you'll meet him and see how tall he "really" is by yourself. If you really are around 194 like you say, I'm sure he would be very close to you (like within half an inch)...
Celebheights 6'1.5 said on 11/Mar/18
appear taller*
Canson said on 10/Mar/18
@Celebheights 6’1.5: it’s tough to gauge but with Manning Kobe can look the about same height but the thing is Manning had multiple neck surgeries during his career I believe 4. But Manning which is a rarity actually looked 6’5.25 at his peak or maybe 196cm flat. My guess is that Manning May have lost some height though as he looks shorter than JJ Watt or Draymond Green. Manning may be hovering around 6’5” or a hair under these days. While Watt actually can look close to his drafted height Green looks more 6’5 or 6’5 1/4 than 6’5.75. Also saw where Steve Kerr calls him 6’5 as does Carmelo Anthony and Alvin Gentry his former assistant coach called him “closer to 6’5” than 6’6”. Not to mention the former assistant GM said Green was the 3rd shortest player on that team behind Curry and Ian Clark. Green to me looks “about” the same with Kobe as he does Manning. But admittedly Kobe can look 6’5 at times too. I think that’s probably his low for the day 6’4.75 and if anything less it’s maybe a mm or two but that’s about all

Another person to add to who I’ve played that was a pro was Jason Maxiell. I know his cousin as well. Maxiell when I saw him wasn’t really much taller than me (I’m 6’4 1/4-.3) prob half inch but now he’s shot up to 6’5 1/2 according to his cousin and what I saw where he was cut from his overseas team for exceeding the height limit of 6’5 (6’5 11/16).
Canson said on 10/Mar/18
@Celebheights 6’1.5: it’s tough to gauge but with Manning Kobe can look the about same height but the thing is Manning had multiple neck surgeries during his career I believe 4. But Manning which is a rarity actually looked 6’5.25 at his peak or maybe 196cm flat. My guess is that Manning May have lost some height though as he looks shorter than JJ Watt or Draymond Green. Manning may be hovering around 6’5” or a hair under these days. While Watt actually can look close to his drafted height Green looks more 6’5 or 6’5 1/4 than 6’5.75. Also saw where Steve Kerr calls him 6’5 as does Carmelo Anthony and Alvin Gentry his former assistant coach called him “closer to 6’5” than 6’6”. Not to mention the former assistant GM said Green was the 3rd shortest player on that team behind Curry and Ian Clark. Green to me looks “about” the same with Kobe as he does Manning. But admittedly Kobe can look 6’5 at times too. I think that’s probably his low for the day 6’4.75 and if anything less it’s maybe a mm or two but that’s about all
Canson said on 9/Mar/18
@Celebheights 6’1.5: Boris may be closer. Andrea could be right could be 3cm difference. Hard to tell with the hat and the angle. But even at 3cm Boris’s shoe is thicker than Kobe’s. I can’t tell if that’s a boot but even in just a 1” sneaker or 1.25 that could be a 5/8” difference or at worst 1/4”. So if He has the footwear at 1/4” Kobe would be 6’4.75 and he would be about what you have him 6’3 1/4 maybe 6’3 1/3. But that’s prob at least a full cm to call it so 6’3 1/4. Or maybe all thints considered 6’3 flat.
Canson said on 9/Mar/18
@Andrea: I didn’t take into account him gaining additional height either. My thinking based on how they look even if we go 3cm difference in appearance the shoes are different. Boris has an advantage. Maybe 6’2.75 was low and he could be 6’3 imho. 6’3.25 is possible which actually could make sense too because he would be 6’4” out of bed and could’ve gotten an early morning 6’3.75 or even 6’3.5 and rounded up. But he can look 6’4 at times too I agree. His height is all over the place but not as bad as Shawne’s. I agree with you on Idris. Not a flat 6’2 but I think the type of height that Michael phelps or Russell’s westbrook would be. Maybe 6’2.25 up to .5. 189cm. Never met Russ but Phelps I did and he looked around 2” shorter than me. He could be 6’2.5 max but I would’ve guessed 6’2.25-.5. He has a very long torso tho. He didn’t look proportionate at all. Phelps could lose an inch conceivably and be a 191-192cm out of bed.
Celebheights 6'1.5 said on 9/Mar/18
@Canson I agree that he looks to be 6'3 1/4" there, especially considering the fact that Boris is slightly closer to the camera there. While Kobe Byrant can admittedly appear than his listing, he also looks to be no more than 6'4 3/4" here by a 6'5 1/4" measured Peyton Manning:

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Another one of my favorite shots would be him by Andy Roddick, a 6'1" listed James Blake (it's hard to say how tall that he is in reality, as I'm not too familiar with him) and a 6'9 3/4" listed John Isner:

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Andy Roddick looks to be about the same as Novak Djokovic (maybe fractionally taller at times), 2 CM taller than Roger Federer, and then 4-4.5 CM taller than Rafael Nadal is. Therefore, Andy Roddick isn't a fraction over 6'2". Considering this, I'd estimate that Boris isn't a full 6'4" there.
Canson said on 9/Mar/18
@Celebheights6’1.5: as far as Rick Fox, he’s more 6’5.5 Based on Rob meeting him. And based on how he looks with Kobe
Canson said on 8/Mar/18
@Andrea: there’s definitely always a chance Boris is under 6’4”. Especially compared to kobe

@Celebheights 6’1.5: Melo was very cool. I actually have met him when he was in high school when he was at Oak Hill. He’s a few years younger than me but I saw him about 2 years ago at a restaurant when he was here. I’ve also played against and seen in person off the court Juan Dixon Steve Blake Jarrett Jack Caron Butler Keith Bogans Joe Forte Kirk Hinrich TJ Ford Delonte West Eddie Basden who played with West at Roosevelt. I’ve played against Eddie Griffin and others as well. I’ve met face to face Harvey Grant Larry Johnson Gheorge muresan Muggsy Bogues Dell Curry. Met Rod Strickland Chris Webber Calbert Cheaney Juwan howard (I was a teen then and wasn’t on even ground when I met them at the game so hard to tell how exactly tall they were) and Charles Barkley I saw from a distance same with Michael Jordan Rip hamilton. However the others I could give a decent estimate.
Andrea said on 8/Mar/18
I completely agree with you about Idris, Canson, just like I completely disagree with you about Boris... 😊
6'2.25 is not impossible for Idris, but that's the probably the lowest I'd argue. Although he can certainly look no more than 6'2 at times, I think he's got to clear the 6'2 mark when he stands at his tallest. How much is the question. 1/4 inch? 1/2 inch? Both of them are pretty arguable, IMO, but 6'2.75 I think is a bit optimistic...
As for Boris, he looks no more than 3 cms shorter than Kobe, and that's taking into account his footwear that doesn't look much different than Kobe's and giving Kobe the benefit of doubt that he's not gaining any height by going up slightly on his left foot... That being said, although you can certainly say that 192 range doesn't seem impossible with Kobe, I certainly wouldn't give him any less than the current listing, considering that he basically looks at least that mark with everyone else and in fact one of the most genuine and solid 6'4 celebrities on here (just like a Jared Padalecki)...
Canson said on 7/Mar/18
@Celebheights 6’1.5: some good points you made! My guess for Idris is 6’2.25 maybe 6’2.5. Andrea said may have measured 6’2.5. Could be true and could be 6’2.25 at a low. Boris to me looks at least 1.5 shorter than Kobe and has a footwear advantage. Even if the difference is like 3cm still makes him around 6’3.25 but my guess would be solid 6’3. Strong 6’2” means more like 6’2.25 tho not a flat 6’2”

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Celebheights 6'1.5 said on 6/Mar/18
By the way, since you said that you met Carmelo Anthony down below, how cool was he in person? Is he the only NBA player that you’ve met before?
Andrea said on 6/Mar/18
Well, although you can certainly say that none of them is impossible, there's a lot more chance of Idris being as low as "a strong 6'2" than Boris being below 6'4...
Celebheights 6'1.5 said on 6/Mar/18
@Canson While I will agree that Idris Elba does appear to be 6’2” flat by a 6’6 1/4” measured Carmelo Anthony, I highly doubt that he’s only a strong 6’2”. Chris Hemsworth doesn’t appear to be any taller than Idris Elba, and he clears Tom Hiddleston by at least a full inch in Thor. If he was a flat 6’2” like he claimed, then Tom and Chris (along with so many other celebrities) would desperately need to get downgraded quickly. I’ll agree that 6’2 3/4” is possible over 6’3”, but I wouldn’t go any lower than that. Carmelo Anthony has a tendency to make celebrities appear shorter than their listings for some odd reason, as I remember that he made Ashton Kutcher appear as if he was 187 CM tall AT MOST (which we can all agree isn’t physically possible.

As for Boris Kodjoe, I could see him at 6’3 3/4” considering all of the evidence that you’ve posted of him appearing to be under 6’4” below. He frequently doesn’t appear to be as tall as 6’4” by most measured celebrities when the photos aren’t distorted. Especially if you look at the photos of Rick Fox who is listed as 6’7”, which likely means that he’s around 6’6” without shoes since the general rule is that the heights that most players get listed at in the NBA are in shoes + a possible round up. Therefore, I really don’t think that it’s insane to estimate his height as being below 6’4”.
Andrea said on 5/Mar/18
Boris looked comfortably over an inch taller than Idris in that movie they did together, no less than 1.5 inches I'd say...
That being said, I highly doubt that Idris is as tall as 6'3, especially considering that he himself claimed to be 6'2, 6'2.5 and nearly 6'3. Somewhere between 6'2 and 6'3 is believable, but no taller than that. Actually, considering that he came out with such a precise mark as 6'2.5, 6'2.5 would be a more appropriate listing for him (rather than the current 6'2.75 one), IMO...
Canson said on 4/Mar/18
@Celebheights 6’1.5: idris looks just a strong 6’2” to tell you the truth. Look at the pic with Carmelo Anthony and that’s a solid 4” difference. I met Melo and if he isn’t the full 6’6.25 he for sure isn’t less than a solid 6’6” at his low. Boris is likely a flat 6’3” when you factor in Kobe edges him by about 1.5 and Boris has a footwear advantage
Celebheights 6'1.5 said on 3/Mar/18
If Idris Elba is really 6’2 1/2” like a lot of people believe (which I don’t, as he looks 6’3” to me) then Boris is 6’3 1/2”.
viper said on 1/Mar/18
Never thought of him as OJ. I thought somebody like Morris Chestnut would have been a way better choice to play OJ than Cuba.
MJKoP said on 28/Feb/18
This guy is currently shooting a movie where he plays OJ Simpson! I guess they can't complain about the actor being too short anymore(*cough, cough* Cuba Gooding Jr.)!
Agent Orange said on 16/Feb/18
@Christian
Hey man if I offended then sorry no hard feelings. I kinda reacted to the negative comments that were circling around at the time.
Andrea said on 14/Feb/18
LOL, sure thing, Christian. Sure thing... You really are hopeless, LMFAO!
Canson said on 13/Feb/18
Hmmm Andrea. Sounds like exactly what you do. Going and resurrecting posts of other people having disagreements with others to try and discredit them. That’s exactly what you did to me. Like Christian said anything that is posted here or anyone who posts here who disagrees with you direct those types of statements toward. Like Christian said, you think you’re “entitled” because some of your estimates ended up being true.funny how you say “there are no pictures of him looking less than 6’4” when there clearly are. You have to resort to diminishing and lying saying things like that when the pics don’t support your narrative just to attempt to prove your point.
Andrea said on 12/Feb/18
Kappa! 😊 👍
Like I said, your comments speak for themselves...
Canson said on 10/Feb/18
@Andrea: that link on YouTube was completely unnecessary. And you call others childish? Really? You wonder why Christian responds back to you because you provoke him to
Canson said on 10/Feb/18
While I agree that this discussion has gone on too long, I feel that each one of us contributed something negative, including you Andrea, and Including me. Ending it may be a good thing but when you say you’ve reached this point or that point, you’re making it sound as if Christian antagonized this when he didn’t. The things that he is saying back to you are in response to the things that you are telling him. I’m saying that because you said the same things to me as well. To be fair, we don’t agree with you which is why you say what you do and you don’t agree with us which is fine.
Andrea said on 10/Feb/18
Hell, Christian, Click Here ! 😟 To be honest, I'm just done wasting my breath on you. I definitely gave you too much importance and attention. A lot more than what you actually deserve. You clearly don't have the necessary knowledge to understand a lot of things, so I'm done talking to a wall of ignorance. That being said, unfortunately for you, most comments of yours are still here, so I'm sure that any person with half a brain understands who really is guilty of those things you love accusing me of. Your comments speak for themselves. 👍
Goodbye, Christian! 😊
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 9/Feb/18
@Andrea

Not only you’re biased, make excuses, and be a hypocrite, but now you’re being a weak coward. Are you gonna just run away from a discussion just because your little feelings were hurt? I get that this discussion is becoming way too long, but it seems like you ran out of words at this point and your only option is to cop out. I honestly expected it from you.
Andrea said on 7/Feb/18
Rob, since this seems to have become Shawne Merriman's page lately, why don't you just give him a page? 😊
Editor Rob
Well, maybe it would be interesting to see what people guessed him at.

I think half the time he slouches in photos and simply never stands as tall as he can.
Andrea said on 7/Feb/18
Whatever you say, Christian. I was going to reply again, but it's a no brainer that this discussion will never end in this way, so I'll take the lead on this and get out of this stupid and useless discussion. I've reached a point where I really couldn't care less of what you say. You think I'm biased? That's fine. You think I lie? That's fine. You think I make excuses? That's fine. I don't care.
Have a good life!
Canson said on 6/Feb/18
@Checker: I believed you all along the Merriman isn’t as tall as Davis. No need to convince me lol. Andrea is the one who needs it. Look at my post a few days back too. I put up a pic of Dexter Manley and Shawne. Davis looks the same with him as Manley does. I met Manley as a kid and he looked pretty close to my father in height. My dad used to be a legit 6’4” maybe still at worst 6’3.75 today in his late 60s. But I even asked my dad and he said Manley is about 6’3” when we met him back in the late 80s
checker said on 5/Feb/18
Marcus Allen is under 6'2 as I have researched and still looks taller than Merriman. Click Here
checker said on 5/Feb/18
Hey Canson, remember when I told you Ricky Jackson looks 6'1 in person, and not his listed 6'2.

Well Im subscribed to newspapers.com and he was measured at 6'1 back in 1980.
checker said on 5/Feb/18
Canson, dont you think Vernon looks taller here. Click Here

I scoped out that pic to even show Vernon is taller.
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 4/Feb/18
@Canson

I appreciate that and I feel the same about you
Canson said on 4/Feb/18
@Christian: and that’s why I also respect you as a poster more than the majority here
Canson said on 4/Feb/18
Shawne Merriman with 6’3” Dexter Manley. Same type of pics as the ones with Vernon Davis and he’s clearly shorter than Manley

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Canson said on 4/Feb/18
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Davis is leaning in both of those pics. Merriman is not taller than him or even as tall.
Canson said on 4/Feb/18
@Andrea: are you really accusing Christian of cherry picking? Ok so what do we say about you making all types of excuses such as “Jamie Foxx possibly having lifts” or you “noticing a footwear difference with Boris and Barkley” but not an obvious difference with Kobe and Boris? And yes of course you agree with or side with tunman and Ajay because they don’t challenge you on anything. If they believe he is 6’4” (only Tunman actually said it not Ajay actually) you will approve because they support your narrative.
Andrea said on 3/Feb/18
Exactly, 'Ajay'. And that is just one of the many pictures (or videos) where Boris looks a solid 6'4, but again Christian loves to disregard inconvenient photos and cherry-pick certain photos that somehow prove his point. I mean, he's the same guy who thinks that Shawne Merriman is around an inch shorter than Vernon Davis, despite two good pictures speaking otherwise: Click Here Click Here And he even has the nerve of calling me biased, LMFAO. I wonder who still takes him seriously, apart from his bff Canson and the rest of the "dream team" he created in these months, of course!
Andrea said on 3/Feb/18
And Juggernaut is definitely not the only guy you've accused of being a fanboy or wanting this or that celebrity taller than they are. You did it with a good number of posters on here. And you did it with me too, before this discussion, on Michael Rosenbaum's page. All of that because you think that your opinions are the only truth and you can't accept that other people disagree with you. And again, what's wrong with asking Rob his opinion about height differences and celebrities' heights? First of all, he's the top man in this field, whether you like it or not. He's been running a height site for over 13 years and he objectively has more knowledge about it than anybody else, so his opinion means something. And, unlike someone else, he's not biased. Second of all, everybody constantly asks him questions. Every day. Why do you think is that? I don't think it's because they need consensus or people agreeing with them. Besides the fact that, once again, you're hypocrite, considering that I've seen you asking Rob similar questions in the past. So according to your fuc*ed up "logic", you too, you need consensus and people agreeing with you, which is already quite clear by other actions and comments of yours, btw.
And don't worry. Those posters that I respect and appreciate have a brain (have you ever heard about it?), so I'm sure they do realize who is the big fool on here! 😉👍
Canson said on 3/Feb/18
@Ajay: then a pic with Michael Jordan, Jamie Foxx or Kobe Bryant reinforces that he’s not 6’4”. Nobody truly knows to be honest.
Ajay said on 2/Feb/18
What's with this insanity in the comments section? You guys have been arguing for at least a year now over his height from what I recall. By the way Christian, that pic you posted with Haysbert just enforces the idea that Boris is a solid 6'4
Canson said on 2/Feb/18
@Christian: notice 6’3.25 too? That’s closer to 192 than the 6’3 estimate that Checker said was his max he could be. Andrea also used his estimate with Magic as “proof” because “Viper” was used to underestimating people in the past that Boris may be 6’4” before he provided that now he’s all of a sudden not a credible poster. Then you have Bobby who guessed him max 6’2.75. Both Bobby and Checker/Viper guessed him below what Mr R did. So what I’m reading and probably everyone else that has seen the posts is that the further away someone is from 6’4 or 192cm that the more “ridiculous” and less “credible” the person is. And it’s even worse when the person has responded back to Andrea or disagreed with him (Bobby never did that). Notice how Andrea simply disagreed with Mr R and Junior when they guessed him 6’3.25 nor did he include him in his last post to you about people who don’t take him seriously and think he is full of crap. Those two in addition to Bobby didn’t respond back to him. However Bennett and Viper (in addition to you and I) have all responded back, challenged, and called him out. Instead it was you me Bennett and Viper and only because us three didn’t agree with him (he didn’t mention Bobby3342 because he’s never had any interaction with him). Instead he put him in the same category as Mr. R not being credible because he’s guessed a few celebs “out of alignment with what he believes”.
Canson said on 2/Feb/18
@Christian: that shouldn’t be very surprising coming from Andrea. This is the same person going around claiming that Foxx wears lifts. Any pic where Boris doesn’t look 6’4 doesn’t count as a “picture” or as evidence as there is something wrong with it. And because he thinks they are bad (actually doesn’t want to believe are adequate) then it automatically makes it a fact. Yet when he looks it in a different pic that may have the same issue it’s the opposite yet still a fact to him because he wants to believe it

As far as Mr R., his estimates were more reliable (emphasis on the word more) until he estimated Boris at “a little over 6’3”. You’ll see below in one of his posts where Andrea then brings to light all of the bad guesses he’s made over the years to discredit him as a poster and disqualify his estimate on Boris
Canson said on 2/Feb/18
@Christian: that shouldn’t be very surprising coming from Andrea. This is the same person going around claiming that Foxx wears lifts. Any pic where Boris doesn’t look 6’4 doesn’t count as a “picture” or as evidence as there is something wrong with it. And because he thinks they are bad (actually doesn’t want to believe are adequate) then it automatically makes it a fact. Yet when he looks it in a different pic that may have the same issue it’s the opposite yet still a fact to him because he wants to believe it
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 2/Feb/18
@Andrea

That's certainly not true when you said Boris never looks under 192. He looks under it with many people other than just Akon and Jamie, such as 6'2.4" measured Shawne Merriman, 6'4 5/8" measured Charles Barkley, 6'4.75" measured Kobe Bryant, 6'11" Dirk Nowitzski, 6'9.75" listed John Isner, 5'8" listed Usher (although he looks taller in a different pic), 6'0.5" listed Michael Jai White (even the pic you posted he looks a bit under 192)
And so just because Bobby guessed one or two celebs off, that qualifies him as a bad guesser? Yet you called Mr. R a credible and genuine poster when he guessed like 5 different celebs off? To be fair, he did guess Boris as 6'3.25" in person so I doubt he's that bad of a guesser. Now I understand that Bobby's estimates for the most part seem believable based on my OPINION, but so is your 6'4" estimate for Boris, it's simply an OPINION.
And it's totally laughable how you say Shawne's dropping more height than Shilique. First of all, you can't see his legs, so why do you jump to conclusions that he was dropping leg height? Yet Kobe visibly had one of his knees bent in the pic with Boris, but you say he's not dropping height because of that and if anything he's gaining height?? Click Here Time and time again, you just prove my point when I say that you're biased and like to pick and choose what fits your narrative. Btw, it's clear that Shilique's losing more height than Shawne in the upper body because it's visible, unlike the legs.
And I don't need anyone to be on my "team" really. I don't need validation or approval from anyone. And besides, what's the point of me trying to get Rampage into my "team" when he never even had arguements with you on Boris' page? The reason why Rampage's discussion with me ended is because unlike you, he didn't act immature or like an entitled brat. Now I didn't like the fact that he said I sucked at estimating height, but I felt he was just expressing his brutally honest opinion. I've had many disagreements with many different posters in the past, but the majority of them didn't escalate so much because those people didn't quite act like the way you did. Sorry, but nothing's more arrogant and egotistic than saying that you'll bet all of your money if Boris turned out to be 6'3", or that if he turned out to be 6'3" you'll never show up to this site again due to embarrassment, or that because almost all of your estimates for celebs turned out to be true when Rob met them, that it's going to be the case for Boris as well.
And the only time I imply that people are fanboys is when they give impossible estimates, when Juggernaut said Brock Lesnar's 6'2.75" which is impossible since he was measured 6'2.25" at the NFL draft. Or when posters were saying Barkley's 6'6" or 6'6"-6'7" which is impossible since he was measured 6'4 5/8". If people dislike me over that, then that's their own issue. And you claim that you don't need consensus or people agreeing with you, but your actions say the opposite when you've ran to Rob many many times asking him how tall a celeb is or the height difference between celebs. (and you've been doing this for years) I won't be surprised at all if the posters you "respect" and "appreciate" already see you for what you really are, but they just don't speak out about it yet. Let's be real, you've made yourself look like a big fool throughout this discussion.
Canson said on 2/Feb/18
@Andrea: re: the end of your response to Christian, the feeling is very mutual between us.
checker said on 1/Feb/18
What are the 2 pics where Vernon looks taller than Merriman. The one had Vernon almost cut off from the camera, lol.

And James Vanderbeek is around 5'10-5'11. He looked it on Dawsons Creek with 6'0 John Wesley Shipp.

Andrea, thats bare minimum 1 to 2 inches between Merriman and Shilique. If Shilique had the same posture as Merriman he would be looking 2+ inches taller.
Andrea said on 1/Feb/18
Tunman, I think he looks more 6'4 than many guys listed at the same mark on here, just like Jared Padalecki. Although 192 range certainly doesn't seem impossible next to Kobe and Barkley (if they are as low as their 6'4.75 listings), he generally looks one of the most genuine 6'4 on here. I think a guy like Jason Momoa has a lot more chance of being as low as 6'3.5 than him (and Jared)...
I mean look at him:
With listed 6'1.5 Boris Becker: Click Here Click Here Click Here
With listed 6'0.5 (6'1 peak) Steve Harvey and 6' Tyson Beckford: Click Here With the same Steve Harvey, back in 1998 (so certainly still at his peak height, considering that he was only around 40 back then): Click Here
With listed 6'5.5 Kevin Durand: Click Here Click Here
With listed 6'1 Oded Fehr: Click Here Click Here
With listed 6'6 (but more 6'5.5 range) Rick Fox: Click Here Click Here
With listed 6' James Van Der Beek: Click Here
With listed 6' Kim Coates: Click Here
With listed 6'7.5 Magic Johnson: Click Here Click Here
With listed 6'1 Brian J White: Click Here
With listed 5'11 Wayne Brady: Click Here
With listed 6'4 Henry Simmons: Click Here
With listed 5'10.75 Tyrese Gibson: Click Here
With 6'1.5-6'2 range AJ Calloway: Click Here The same AJ with Jared: Click Here
With listed 5'9.25 Casper Van Dien: Click Here
With 5'11-6' range Dr. Oz: Click Here
With listed 6'0.5 Wentworth Miller: Click Here
With listed 6'4 (6'4.5 peak) Dennis Haysbert: Click Here Click Here
With 6'3 range Nigel Barker: Click Here
With 6'3 range Jerome Boateng: Click Here
With MEASURED 6'3 1/8 Damien Woody: Click Here
With listed 196 Dustin Brown: Click Here The same Dustin with Andy Murray: Click Here Click Here
With listed 6'4.5 Chi McBride: Click Here And Boris even seems to be in less footwear than Chi: Click Here Click Here With the same Chi, back in 2000s (when Chi was only just over 40, so I doubt he had already lost anything by then): Click Here
With listed 6'0.5 John Cena: Click Here
With listed 6'4.25 Tyler Perry: Click Here
With listed 6'4.75 James Avery (in his late 50s): Click Here
Andrea said on 1/Feb/18
Trust me, Christian. I'm very tired of this discussion too. I totally understand Rob's decision about not retrieving the old comments on Ray's page, but I'm 100% sure that I've NEVER mentioned that thing before because I never really cared about it. And since you like it when I say that, I would bet all my money on that too...
I always compare Jared to Boris because both of them look two of the most genuine 6'4 on here. And both of them rarely look as low as 6'3, maybe even never. Speaking of Boris, the lowest he can look is 192 next to Kobe and Barkley, if you exclude those two pictures of him with Jamie Foxx and Akon (where he admittedly can look as low as 6'2-6'3). And I don't care if 3 or even 4 people said that they met Boris and that he's around 6'3. Again, who are these people? How do you know they actually have met him in person? Do they have a good idea about height and how to gauge it in person? Funny how you refer to Bobbyh3342 as a 6'4.25 guy, as if you personally had measured him. Giving some estimates that, IN YOUR OPINION, are believable doesn't automatically make him legit or something. I never had the chance of talking to him and I have nothing against him, but he's the same guy who guessed Kim Coates just over 2 inches shorter than Boris "in person" (at 6'0.5), so I certainly wouldn't say that all of his estimates seem very believable. Click Here As for Boris' agencies listings, as I said, we've already been there. Christopher Lee wasn't listed at 6'4 (or over) until later in his career as well. And he's just one of the many examples...
As for Shilique's picture, I'm pretty sure that you already knew that there's some tilt in Shilique's favor, LOL. I tried to straighten the picture and I maintain my "around an inch" guess: Click Here I can see 3 cms (which is still around an inch), but not much more than that. And of course I'm taking into consideration their postures. In fact, I would say that Shawne is dropping more height than Shilique there, judging by his legs (or what you can see of them).
And of course I would completely rule out 6'5 for Boris, now that I have seen more pictures of him. Just like I completely rule out 6'3. I guess the way he looks with those guys (Durand, Coates and Haysbert) speaks more about their listings than Boris'...
And don't worry. I already took a look at that exchange of views between you and Rampage on Kagame's page and I found it very amusing, I must say. Funny how you both were going to start a new discussion with each other there, but as soon as Rampage realized that you had defended him against me on here (which you clearly did just to attack me and to have him in your "team"), he took back everything he said (including the marvelous "Christian, as always you suck at estimating height" statement) and the discussion just ended there, LMFAO. Same thing for you. Getting back to this extremely long discussion, sure, me too, I have my "responsibilities" and maybe I could have avoided saying certain things, but everything I said was a direct consequence of what you said. So again, don't even try to pin all of this on me. Fact is that I've been on here for a much longer time than you and I've never had such a long and heated discussion. With anyone... Your arrogance certainly plays/played a big role in it. In fact, you're one of the most arrogant posters I've ever seen on here and you always speak as if what you say is the only truth and when someone tries to have a normal discussion and disagrees with you, you simply attack them and come out with stupid comments like "you are a fanboy", "you just want him/her to be taller", etc. No wonder that you are so disliked on here. As for people sticking up for me or not, I honestly don't need it, unlike someone else. I'm a quite confident person and I certainly don't need consensus or people agreeing with me. And if posters like Viper, Bennett or even Canson think that I'm full of crap... I'm just glad about it. It means I'm doing it right. The day posters that I truly respect and appreciate will start thinking that way, maybe I'll start worrying about it. ;)
Canson said on 31/Jan/18
@Christian: well said!
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 30/Jan/18
@Andrea

I'm not lying. I know for certain that you brought it up on Ray's page. I'd like Rob to retrive the older comments as well, but it's best to just leave him alone since he's obviously starting to get tired of our never-ending heated discussion.
And I don't know why you love to compare Jared to Boris as if they're in the same boat. The differences between the two is that Boris looks about 6'3" next to some people, while Jared very rarely looks as low as that next to anyone, maybe even never. And several people (at least 3 or 4) said Boris is around 6'3" or less in person, while only one person who met Jared said he looked 6'3" and the rest (at least 4) said he looked 6'4". Btw Bobbyh3342 met both Boris and Jared and said Boris looked 6'2.75" and Jared a good 6'4". And he's a credible poster because all of his estimates seem very believable if you see those celebs standing next to others in pics. And he's a very tall guy himself (about 6'4.25") so he can easily tell the difference between a 6'2.75" and a 6'4" guy. And I know that some taller models get underlisted on agencies, but with Boris, if they're gonna underlist him, why list him at 3 different heights? He should've just got listed 6'2" and be done with it. But they also listed him 6'2.5" and 6'3", which leads me to believe that they are more accurate listings. He wasn't listed 6'4" until later in his career.
And I already know that the tilt in the pic favors Shilique a bit, but you also have to consider that he's dropping a bit more height than Shawne because he's hunching more. You can ask any poster on this site and most will tell you that Shilique looks about 1.5" taller than Shawne there. If you don't believe me, go ask. And I'm not the one being biased because I acknowledged that Shawne looks taller than Vernon in those two pics, I just said that Vernon's actually taller than Shawne in my opinion. (It's the same thing as you believeing that Shawne's an inch shorter than Barkley despite there's a pic where the difference looks 2"+, I wouldn't call you biased over that so don't call me biased either) You on the other hand are biased about the Shawne and Shilique pic, because you purposefully diminished the height difference to 1" when it's clearly 1.5" in the pic.
And it's hilarious how you think 6'5" is possible for Boris yet 6'3" is impossible when there are more pics of him looking 6'3" then there are pics of him looking 6'5", plus Boris himself never claimed or listed in any agency as 6'5".
And I wasn't using Rampage against you. I've always respected him as a poster since I first saw joined this site. I just disagree with some of his estimates, and we had a few minor arguments here and there, but he apologized to me and appreciates me for defending him and now we're cool with each other. Take a look at the comments on Paul Kagame's page Click Here Our disagreement could've ended in the same manner that Rampage's did, but unlike him, you started acting immature and calling me names. Whether you started it or not, one thing for sure is that you escalated it. Now I'm not perfect and I've said a few things that were unecessary, but at least I own up to it. You however, think that you're entitled and think you deserve some type of respect or admiration just because most celebs you estimated supposedly turned out to be true when Rob met them. And you wonder why no one sticked up for you in our discussion. Canson, Viper/Checker, Bennett/Junior among others realize that you're full of crap.
Canson said on 30/Jan/18
@Christian: another one where 6’2 7/8 combine TO is leaning in more and looks “just about as tall as Boris”. If Boris has an advantage it’s very little here once the tilt is addressed. I don’t see TO much under this mark

Click Here
Canson said on 30/Jan/18
There are times when he can look 6’4” but other times when he looks 6’2 range like 6’2.5 for example. And others when he looks in the 6’3” range. Then again he can look 6’5+ at times like Christian said. His height is all over the place but being there’s a footwear advantage with Kobe he really can look 6’3 there and 6’3 with Barkley.
Tunman said on 30/Jan/18
Yeah,he generally looks around 6'4 more than anything else,well he could turn to be slightly smaller than Jared Padalecki.Still I think he looked only 191,5 with Kobe,that's the lowest arguable imo.Anything under this is really a joke,he just consistantly looks near 6'4.Perhaps a slight downgrage to 192 is possible but not under.
Canson said on 26/Jan/18
@Christian: I almost guarantee if the cameras weren’t up as high as they are that we wouldn’t even see a difference with those two. That’s a cm diff and I do not believe for one second that Boris is taller than Haysbert is. Haysbert looked a legit 6’4” in his peak. Even in Love and Basketball both guys were in the movie and Boris didn’t look as tall with Omar Epps as Haysbert did. Haysbert has more scenes being he played Zeke McCall his father but haysbert looked taller with Epps than Boris did with him when they were at the Senior Prom and he was Sanaa Lathan’s Date
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 26/Jan/18
@Canson

Yet Andrea tries to say that Boris looks an inch taller than Haysbert Click Here When it's very clear that Shilique looks taller with Shawne than Boris does with Haysbert.
Canson said on 25/Jan/18
@Christian: I’ve actually brought that up several times with the pic with Boris and Haysbert in comparison with Kobe and Boris and others that Boris is in. Meaning what Andrea says is exaggerated to fit his narrative because comparing it to others it doesn’t add up. Kobe had more difference on Boris than Boris had on Haysbert and not just a cm it’s more than that. That’s nowhere near an inch or even close to 2cm with Boris and Haysbert if Kobe and Boris is only 3cm? Or if Barkley and Boris is only 3-4 (with an alleged shoe difference). Or with Calhoun and Merriman. The last comparison (Merriman and Calhoun) Calhoun has at least 2.5-3 cm more than Boris had on Haysbert which is only about a cm if anything
Canson said on 25/Jan/18
@Checker: that would prob be about a full 2” with the better posture imho. I certainly don’t agree with Andrea that that’s only an inch and none of us 3 you me or Christian see that either. I think you can make an easy case however for 1.5-1.75” based on that with the poor posture and even then it lines up to a potential combine measurement as Merriman 6’2 3/8 and Calhoun being it was a morning measurement prob dips to 6’3 7/8 maybe 6’4. A worst case is that Merriman is the flat 6’2 and Calhoun a flat 6’4 or 6’3 7/8 if better posture. But I’d say that either way that’s more than a solid inch. Anyone can see that even with the bad posture and neck tilt
checker said on 24/Jan/18
Calhoun looks 2 inches taller than Merriman, and would look 2.5 inches taller with better posture.
Canson said on 24/Jan/18
@Andrea: go ahead and ask Rob to retrieve the comments since you’re essentially “threading” Christian with it. You seem like you have to be right and “have to get the last word” when you said do we end it here. Obviously the only way your arguments here have any sort of strength is when you go and solicit Rob’s or someone else’s opinion for reassurance or when you run crying to him to intervene. You have to be “right” and it again proves both of our points that because Christian is once again not agreeing with you you are getting angry. Nobody cares honestly. Btw where do you get Calhoun only having an inch on Merriman? You say we can’t estimate height differences you’re really one to talk. Funny that I am not calling you a liar though despite the fact that three of us here all say it’s more than that yet if that were you, you would be calling me a liar like you have done repeatedly here or dumb like you did on Wayne Brady’s page when I didn’t see the same thing “you did”. You’re just full of excuses and full of sh*t. You don’t fool anyone
Andrea said on 24/Jan/18
You are the one who doesn't pay attention to things, Christian. I brought up the prostitute thing right after you and Canson started to play the victim and that happened on 29/Oct/17. Before then, I'd NEVER mentioned it and I'm pretty sure about that, despite you saying that I did (which is just another lie). You want me to ask Rob to retrieve the older comments on that page too or we end it here? :)
And when it comes to alleged meetings it's not all about "they're telling the truth or not". As I said, there are many variables. Who are these people? How do you know they actually have met this or that celebrity in person? Do they have a good idea about height and how to gauge it in person? Most of the time, you can't answer to all these questions, which is the reason why they are not evidence to me. Speaking of Jared, I completely rule out 6'3 for him. And unlike you, I treat Jared being 6'3 the same way I treat Boris being 6'3. It's not a surprise that they look very similar next to this presenter, in fact: Click Here Click Here
And what I said is not an excuse, but I'm certainly not surprised that you call it that way, just like I said. I'm certainly not trying to say that the only reason why Shawne can look as low as 6'2-6'3 is because of that. All I said is that there are some guys who naturally stand worse with shorter guys and better with taller guys. That picture with Shilique Calhoun actually proves my point, considering that Shawne looks maybe around an inch shorter than him there. So, if anything, you are a walking contradiction, LOL.
As for Boris, I can say whatever I want. If I want to say that I would bet all of my money that he would be comfortably taller than 6'3, I say it. And I already explained why. I have certainly seen enough to completely rule it out and nothing that suggests that 6'3 is even remotely possible (not even by 1%). The same goes for me saying that if he ever turned out to be as low as 6'3 flat (let alone under), I would be so shocked that I probably would never come back on here for the embarrassment. The reason why I say that I would never come back on here for the embarrassment is because it never happened so far that I overestimated (or underestimated) a celebrity by an inch (let alone over), but, as I said, basically all celebrities that I have "challenged" in the past turned out to be as tall as I said when Rob eventually met them. I guess I've been just "lucky"... And for the record, I have seen a lot less stuff of those celebrities than what I have seen of Boris. So, if anything, I'm a lot more sure about him than how I could have been about those celebrities. And for the last time, my 6'5 mention for Boris was closely related to those guys' listings (Kevin Durand, Kim Coates and Dennis Haysbert). It is certainly hard to believe that Boris is as low as 6'4 if those guys are as tall as their listings (and I'm sure that in the past all three were listed even higher than they are now).
And yeah, I did say that you have no clue about height differences there because not only you insisted that there is a clear 2 inches differences when there's really not, but you also insisted that that picture with Kobe was the definite proof that Boris can't be any taller than 6'2.75. Funny how even in that picture you have posted (in comments like the ones you submitted on 26/Aug/17 and on 28/Aug/17), you can see what I was talking about when I said that you're the one who started it by saying that I just want Boris to be 6'4 and and by calling my estimate "BS" (or joke in that case), even though I was referring to some older comments, still on Idris Elba's page, which is where all this discussion started. So again, don't even try to pin it on me.
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 23/Jan/18
@Andrea

You don't pay attention to things at all. I didn't lie about that. You brought up the prostitute thing quite while after Canson called you one on on RAY FISHER'S page. And that was right before I brought up the boyfriend thing on Boris Kodjoe's page. I already admitted that I brought up the boyfriend thing, but that was AFTER you brought up the fact that Canson called you a prostitute, so I didn't lie. Sure, you mentioned it on 29/Oct/17, but you also mentioned it once before on Ray's page, even before 6/Oct/17.
And while a post from one guy saying Jared's 6'3" in person isn't enough, you should't completely rule out 6'3" for Jared either. I treat Jared being 6'3" the same way I treat Boris being 6'4". Both are highly unlikely, but not impossible. And I'm not saying you should believe every person who claimed to met a celeb, because I don't know if that guy was telling the truth or not, but in Boris's and Shawne's case, I doubt that the people who claimed to met them were lying because they look the height they were guessed at in some pics, and in Shawne's case, he was measured a height (6'2 3/8") that's similar to how he was guessed at. (6'2")
And what's you said is definitely an excuse because you try to use that "There are definitely some guys who naturally stand worse with shorter guys and better with taller guys" thing to say that Shawne looks 6'2"-6'3" or 6'2" in some pics because of that. So if what you said is true, explain why the 6'4 3/8" measured football player Shilique Calhoun's around 1.75" taller than Shawne Click Here Click Here so I guess Shawne was standing bad in that pic, right? (even though it goes against what you said because according to you, Shawne stands bad only when he's with someone that's shorter than him, but you can clearly see in the pic that Shawne's not standing badly, in fact, he has slightly better posture than Shilique) This is why I call you a walking contradiction.
I can respect your confidence that you completely rule out 6'3" for Boris, but don't say stupid stuff like you'll bet all of your money, or you'll never come back to this site out of embarassment if Boris turns out to be 6'3" if Rob meets him. And I'm not being contradictory if I strongly believe he's 6'3", but there's a small posibility he might be 6'4". Think of it this way, I'm 99% sure he's 6'3", but 1% of me believes he's 6'4". And I didn't take it out of context. I know you mentioned that Haysbert, Durand etc. could be shorter than listed, but you also clearly said that 6'5" was a possibility. Click Here
And you're a total liar. This debate got heated as soon as you said that I had no clue about height differences Click Here and it wasn't directed towards Canson, you clearly directed it towards me because you were replying to me. And even after that, my response wasn't directed towards you as you can see. It was about how much Boris was looking shorter than Kobe and Jordan, but you kept on using ad hominem fallacies. That's why this discussion got so heated and prolonged. And you love to accuse me of using the "I'm good and you're bad" card, but it's the truth. You're the one who started all of this.
Canson said on 22/Jan/18
@Christian: not to mention Dirk is leaning. I can’t see him over a flat 6’3 in that pic perhaps a touch less but you said it well “about 6’3”
Canson said on 22/Jan/18
@Rob: looking at the article it could be because of his position that he played or could’ve been a legitimate error. He would be on the small side for a defensive lineman at 6’2 but would be good for a LB which he ultimately played. Maybe the uncertainty was why that happened. Or it could’ve been data set issue where maybe he was 6’2 3/8 and they said 6’4 3/8. That happens a lot In the NBA where shoe heights go into barefoot column. I’m willing to bet money Dwayne Wade is not “almost 6’4” and also am willing to bet that those were not Morning measurements. I’ve played ball with some of the guys that were drafted and their heights are closely mirrored in person such as Keith Bogans and have met Kirk Hinrich and Carmelo Anthony. Both looked close to their draft heights. Hinrich could be 6’2.5 but close enough whereas Melo looked about right. Another one was TJ ford who looked shorter. He looked more 5’10 than 5’11 but I didn’t pay attention to footwear possibly.
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 21/Jan/18
Boris looks about 6'3" next to 6'11" Dirk Nowitzki Click Here and 6'9.75" listed John Isner with visible footwear Click Here
Canson said on 20/Jan/18
@Checker: that’s likely a morning height for Calhoun as well. That’s his combine measurement meaning probably a flat 6’4”
Canson said on 20/Jan/18
@Checker: the worst case scenario for Vernon and Shawne is that Vernon is half inch taller. Best case is an inch. I only say that because of where both measured. If Shawne is somehow 6’2.5 or 6’2 3/8 at a low and Vernon is about 6’3. When I met Vernon it looked about 3cm (1-1.5”). I would say he looked solid 6’3 but seeing as how he measured 6’3.25 in the AM maybe 6’2 7/8 as a worst case as that won’t look any different really. But I would say Vernon is 6’3 since it’s close enough like my friend who looked the same standing next to me and dips to 190.3-.4. Shawne according to a friend who met him said 6’2ish. Not as tall as the 6’3 friend
checker said on 19/Jan/18
6'2 Merriman next to 6'4.3 Shilique Calhoun. Click Here
Canson said on 19/Jan/18
there’s no way that Merriman is 3” taller than Ray Lewis. That’s hardly 2” between them. Ray measured 6’0.6 at his draft 6’ 5/8 or 6’ 3/4

Click Here
checker said on 19/Jan/18
6'3 Vernon is simply taller than 6'2 Merriman because of a bigger forehead. Click Here
Canson said on 19/Jan/18
@Andrea: that comment about being called a troll that you made being a compliment makes no sense at all. Sounds like you are putting up a front now like you have all of this time. And no I don’t believe you are a troll. You’re just very stubborn and arrogant like Christian said and that comment along with others only validates it. I can respect that you’d put money down as that at least shows you’re confident but when you said you would never return to this site out of embarrassment shows that it’s all a front. And you want to bring up age you’re very childish the way you run to Rob for everything and accuse others of lying when they don’t agree with you so you just proved every point Christian and I have said. You run to Rob the same way a child would when he feels he is being bullied or worse if he is spoiled and feels he isn’t getting his way. 😂 You have to prove “Christian’s hypocrisy and untruthfulness”? Sorry but you didn’t prove a thing. And what does attempting to do that have to do with Boris being 6’4 or not? Sorry but that doesn’t change his height. Absolutely nothing. And He wasn’t untruthful and he surely isn’t a hypocrite like you are accusing both of us of the things you do such as trusting someone else’s estimates only when they are convenient enough to fit your narrative of course or not trusting them when you don’t think they fit it. and having to run to others for reassurance solely because you lack confidence. Or calling someone a liar because their estimates don’t coincide with yours or making your opinions or estimates a fact when they’re just an opinion. People see things differently. Just as you accused me of lying about Brady being 4 or so inches shorter (which to me he looked at times). You did the same saying Merriman is only one inch shorter than Barkley. But of course no one else agrees with you or sees it that way. And truthfully the way people comment on Barkley they won’t do that. They would easily make Barkley 6’5.5 or 6’6” and just call it a 2” difference here since that’s the minimum that it looks. It’s funny you didn’t include your height lines there but you do it on other pics and it’s because you know it’s more than an inch. Go right ahead and try to compare that height difference to the one with Boris and Haysbert that you swear is 2cm 😂. How do you see a 1” difference there but only a 2cm difference between Boris and Haysbert? I can compare the two and tell it’s a noticeable difference not just 1 cm between the kids. And You also claim to be clueless on shoes and how much they add yet when it’s convenient for you you comment on and make an excuse about Barkley’s to again diminish the difference between he and Boris yet with Kobe there is an obvious difference and you say it doesn’t exist yet others here see it.

Ok so if you want to use your logic about someone lying because “height differences are a fact”, then you are lying about the height difference with Boris and Kobe and also with Barkley and Merriman and with Boris and Barkley as you are the only person here saying the differences are what you call them while others here are saying that they are exactly what Christian and I said which look more factual. But no it doesn’t work that way with you. The only things that are fact are the ones that you believe are. Everything else that you don’t believe or that doesn’t support your narrative is either a lie, stupid, or an opinion.
Andrea said on 18/Jan/18
And you still lie, Christian, even though the messages are there now, LOL. You did bring up the boyfriend thing on 6/Oct/2017, after over one month I came out with that, just like I said. Me, on the other hand, I never mentioned the prostitute thing because I never cared about it. The only reason why I brought it up was to show your hypocrisy when you started to play the victim. That's all!
And you said it right. You have no proof that Viper or Canson's friends really met Shawne, so we're talking about nothing. That's not evidence, hence why it makes no sense to bring them up as proof that Shawne is as tall as 6'2. And although it might be true that "just because your estimates for celebs supposedly turned out to be true when Rob met them, doesn't mean that it's going to be the case for Boris", that should still suggest that you can get a very good idea of how tall celebrities are if you see enough stuff of them. And for the record, I've seen a lot of Boris (probably more than any other celebrity at this point), so I'm a lot more sure about him than how I could have been about those celebrities. And I never said that the "fan site" measurements were made up, but being it a "fan site" increases the possibility of errors, in a sense.
Speaking of Shawne, as I said, I can appreciate how he can look as low as that at times (like he does with Ray Lewis, for example), but there are many other pictures with MEASURED athletes where he looks easily taller than that. One thing I've noticed is that he can look shorter next to shorter guys and taller next to taller guys (and by shorter and taller I don't necessarily mean shorter and taller than him). Maybe he's a guy who slouches around shorter guys and when he's around taller guys he stands taller...
And I know that you can be aware of camera angles and positions because I've seen you making some very good points on other pages (even though you calling camera angles "excuses" certainly doesn't work in your favour), but sometimes it doesn't seem like that on here. As I said, I would have never posted those pictures with Michael Jordan, Michael Jai White, The Game etc. or even those ones with Ray Lewis where, in your opinion, Boris could look as tall as 6'7 because they simply prove nothing, even if they are the only pictures with those people. And which are those good camera quality pictures where Boris looks as low as 6'2 or as high as 6'5+? As I said, I can see how he can look as low as 6'2-6'3 next to Akon and Jamie Foxx, but they're actually the only two pictures where he can look as low as that and in every other picture he looks comfortably over 6'3. 6'5+? I don't think he's ever looked as big as that with anyone, apart from, maybe, those celebrities who are probably a bit overlisted on here.
And it's not about being arrogant, but about being confident. As I said, I've seen enough to completely rule out 6'3. Just like I'd do with a guy like Jared Padalecki. That being said, I'll be honest and say that I wouldn't bet my money on him not being under 6'4 because there's always a possibility he dips a bit under, just like I wouldn't with the same Jared, although I personally wouldn't put any of them at anything under 6'4. And none of those two people you have mentioned are actually "confirmed and measured". Barkley's 6'4 5/8 "measurement" is just a mention in one article and Shawne's 6-2.4 measurement isn't less reliable than the other 6'4 3/8 measurement, apart from the former appearing only on a "fan site", like Couchscout seems to be. And I don't see how saying something like "I completely rule out 6'3 for Boris" is crazy. You yourself called my 6'4 estimate for Boris "BS" in the past, which is even crazier, and it goes to show that 1) you speak as if your estimates are the only good ones and 2) you're an hypocrite because you accuse me of the same thing (but we already knew that). And yeah, I wondered if 6'5 was possible in the past because he could look nearer that mark with those guys I mentioned in that old message (that you have posted and probably even haven't read, apart from the first part), but, based on what I've seen now, I would safely rule it out and I think it's more the case of those other people being shorter than their listings, which is exactly what I said there, btw. Although I can see something like 192 as not being impossible next to Kobe and Barkley, I have to go with what he generally looks next to everybody else: a decent 6'4.
And who are these many posters I have discussions with that, according to you, dislike me? Rampage? Bennett or whatever his name was/is? Viper? LOL I swear it's hard, but I'll try to live with it. Speaking of that, do you really think that you are so liked on here? Last time I checked, more than one poster thought otherwise and a few of them specifically said that you are very disliked on here... And I'm glad that one of the biggest, if not the biggest, hypocrite on the site calls me the biggest walking contradiction in Celebheights history. I'd say it easily fits with his character. ;)
Canson said on 18/Jan/18
@Christian: you meant Senior Bowl where he measured that but you’re absolutely right. And I don’t get why Andrea can call me a liar or you or accuse us of not being able to differentiate height differences when he can say that there’s a 1” diff with Merriman and Barkley or that Barkley has a footwear advantage (after he claimed he knew nothing about shoes in previous posts) or that Kobe has 3cm on Boris but Boris has “2cm on Haysbert” when there is a noticeable difference between the two pics. Then use all of that as a fact when it is clearly an opinion. I mean key point here is (which actually is a fact). You have a few people who have jumped in and disagreed with him so obviously it had the possibility of not being true or else everyone would be agreeing with him. Not saying it is or isn’t because we don’t know but I would be my own money that Barkley and Merriman at least are accurate enough (within realm)
Andrea said on 18/Jan/18
And this guy is supposed to be 36??? 😂😂😂
Funny how he keeps proving everything I've already said about him...
And now tell me, Canson, where did I run to Rob now? You know, I'm trying to improve my hacking skills, but I still can't access celebheights database for some reason... 😢 That's why I had to ask Rob to retrieve the old comments to finally expose Christian's untruthfulness and hypocrisy. 👍 I swear I'm studying though, so, Rob, pay some serious attention to your site's security because next time I might do it by myself! 😎
P.S. Getting called troll by Viper is kinda an achievement! 😀
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 18/Jan/18
@Andrea

I didn't lie. I actually did bring up the boyfriend thing after you whined about Canson calling you a prostitute, but the comment was on Ray Fisher's page, which got pushed down.
And just because I don't have actual proof that Viper and an associate of Canson's met Shawne, doesn't automatically negate them. The only proof I have is to take their words for it. And just because your estimates for celebs supposedly turned out to be true when Rob met them, doesn't mean that it's going to be the case for Boris.
And if you think that the "fan site" measurements were made up, they're actual sources that come from NFL's database. For example, Shawne's 6'2.4" measurement came from the 2006 Pro Bowl. So it's legit as far as I'm concerned.
And if you wanna believe that Shawne's only an inch shorter than Barkley despite the pic showing otherwise, then go right ahead. I believe that Vernon's taller than Shawne despite the two pics you provided showing otherwise, but I have a good reason for it. Shawne looks 6'2"-6'3" range with other people, not only with Barkley. But Vernon on the other hand, looks legit 6'3" in many of the pics, although there are a few times where he can look taller or shorter than that.
And I'm pretty aware of camera angles and positions contrary to what you think. Whenever I post pics with rather poor camera positioning, it's only because I wasn't able to find any other pics of Boris with the same person. For example, the pics with Michael Jordan, Michael Jai White, The Game etc. If I was able to find other pics with the same people involved with better camera positioning, I would've posted those instead. And unlike you, I don't make excuses and blame it on camera angles or lifts or even worse tiptoes whenever Boris looks 6'4". But you often make those same excuses whenever he looks below it. I know there are good camera quality pics where Boris looks 6'4", but there are others with just as good camera quality where he looks 6'2" or 6'3" or 6'5"+.
And are you that arrogant as to where you'll completely rule out 6'3" for Boris and even bet all of your money? As much as I doubt he's legit 6'4", there's always still a very slim chance IMO that he actually may be that tall. I'm not gonna completely rule it out. Just like I'll never completely rule out heights for other celebs, that's if unless that person was measured, as in the case with 6'4 5/8" Barkley and 6'2.4" Merriman. They were measured at those respective heights so they can't be higher than that. You just exactly proved my point when I say that you present your opinions as if they were facts. Otherwise you would've never said anything crazy like you're completely ruling out 6'3" for Boris. And another crazy thing is that 6'3" is impossible according to you, yet somehow 6'5" is a possibility? Click Here Mind you that 6'5" is just as far from 6'4" as 6'3" is. And you wonder why a lot of posters whom you have discussions with dislike you. You're the biggest walking contradiction in Celebheights history.
Canson said on 17/Jan/18
@Checker: as much as I disagree and dislike Andrea I don’t think he is a troll. I’ll be fair and give credit where it is due. But as I’ve maintained all along I think just incredibly stubborn as you said and I don’t think he’ll admit if he’s wrong. He also mentioned once that if Boris turned out to be “6’3 or under” that he would never return to this site out of pure embarrassment. Anyone here who has either provided an estimate below his satisfaction or even met the guy in person Andrea has either criticized the estimate or told them no disrespect but I don’t agree. The latter is perfectly fine and diplomatic and the way that it should be done honestly but then there is the situation with you Me Christian Mr R Bennett 6’3” and Bobby why our estimates “lack credibility” for one reason or another. Not to mention he told me and Christian as well that he “thought we were reasonable but I guess not”. Meaning because we didn’t agree with him was how I perceived it and that’s how it looks to anyone else. I’ll give him his credit he found pics where he looks 6’4” but when Christian or I post a pic it is no good when more than half of his aren’t. It’s the ultra lame childish and sorry excuses he makes for everything and the hypocrite sh*t that he pulls if you see the older comments especially that Rob posted. Christian dared him and Andrea didn’t let us down running to Rob once again as a little child in the last post, Not to mention he has run to Rob close to a dozen other (at least) times now and had to run to posters on other pages such as Chi McBride Tyler Perry and John Cena (to name a few) to get reassurance. You can see his comments on those pages where he is “subtly” fishing for someone to “assure him” that Boris is 6’4 or looks it with those guys. I mean there really isn’t much more to say at this stage.
Canson said on 17/Jan/18
@Checker: as much as I disagree and dislike Andrea I don’t think he is a troll. I’ll be fair and give credit where it is due. But as I’ve maintained all along I think just incredibly stubborn as you said and I don’t think he’ll admit if he’s wrong. He also mentioned once that if Boris turned out to be “6’3 or under” that he would never return to this site out of pure embarrassment. Anyone here who has either provided an estimate below his satisfaction or even met the guy in person Andrea has either criticized the estimate or told them no disrespect but I don’t agree. The latter is perfectly fine and diplomatic and the way that it should be done honestly but then there is the situation with you Me Christian Mr R Bennett 6’3” and Bobby why our estimates “lack credibility” for one reason or another. Not to mention he told me and Christian as well that he “thought we were reasonable but I guess not”. Meaning because we didn’t agree with him was how I perceived it and that’s how it looks to anyone else. I’ll give him his credit he found pics where he looks 6’4” but when Christian or I post a pic it is no good when more than half of his aren’t. It’s the hypocrite sh*t that he pulls if you see the older comments especially that Rob posted. Christian dared him and Andrea didn’t let us down running to Rob once again as a little child in the last llatZ Not to mention he has run to Rob close to a dozen other (at least) times now and had to run to posters on other pages such as Chi McBride Tyler Perry and John Cena (to name a few) to get reassurance. You can see his comments on those pages where he is “subtly” fishing for someone to “assure him” that Boris is 6’4 or looks it with those guys. I mean there really isn’t much more to say at this stage.
Canson said on 17/Jan/18
@Andrea: in my f*cked up mind Andrea? And Oh Lord end this argument really? The argument that you started and kept because nobody agrees with you lol. And you speak like you have authority here and telling us what we have to believe and post? if you want to really hear about yourself. You say you’re dealing with kids? Who just ran to Rob because he can’t defend himself in an argument he started? You are a very immature poster and are a big immature child. Ill give you credit tho you love running to Rob don’t you? You didn’t see Christian or I do that. And no one here cares who posted what first between you and Christian or me. You brought it up not us. Yet it’s ok for you to tell us “we can’t estimate height or are stupid because we don’t agree with you. The only thing you exposed here is yourself for what Christian and I both said that you are a puppet and have no mind of your own. You just run to Rob all the time for everything. Funny you don’t see either of us doing that but you have to for everything. And the comment calling us boyfriends is end of August that was quite some time ago. The posts following that prove Christians point once again.

What do you mean please don’t say Viper? Well you were the one who used Viper’s 6’4” estimate of Boris with Magic as evidence that he’s 6’4”. Now though because he says he’s shorter and because Merriman is not the height that would make Boris 6’4” we all of a sudden have to “take his estimates with a grain of salt”. So if Rising Force had met Merriman however, then and estimated him 6’4” and could be completely off you would use that as evidence tho of course. We know you well. You use whatever fits your narrative and criticize anyone else’s opinion that doesn’t as we are all aware of. You say that we “can’t estimate height difference all because something doesn’t line up with your estimate”. Not an entire group here just you saying it. So you for some reason carry more weight than others though? You’re a joke
Canson said on 17/Jan/18
@Andrea: Oh Lord end this argument really? The argument that you started and kept because nobody agrees with you lol. The only thing you exposed here is yourself for what Christian and I both said that you are a puppet and have no mind of your own. You just run to Rob all the time for everything. Funny you don’t see either of us doing that but you have to for everything
Editor Rob
Guys, someone take the lead...this page has gone around in circles for months.

I can see how one person might think Boris is 6ft 3.25, another 6ft 4...we all have our opinions. Sometimes we have to accept we can never agree.

As for the Merriman, I might give him a page, but even I am not sure on the guy, it's a strange case.
Andrea said on 17/Jan/18
Thanks, Rob. For Christian: you can now see that I came out with that boyfriend thing on 31/Aug/2017 and after over one month, precisely on 6/Oct/2017, you brought it up again, just like I said. According to you, that happened only after me bringing the prostitute thing up. I wouldn't say so, considering that there's no mention of it in any part of that old page. As I said, the only reason why I brought it up was to show your hypocrisy when you decided to play the "I am good and you are bad" card. Before then, I never mentioned it because I couldn't care less, unlike you apparently. That being said, I can't wait for your next excuse because I'm sure you will find one...
P.S. I know that I brought the prostitute thing up on Ray Fisher's page, but it was right after you and Canson started to play the victim (Canson even tried to say my emojis are insulting at some point, LOL) and precisely on 29/Oct/17, so after 6/Oct/2017. Go check it yourself. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if you started to say that it's just my opinion and that 6/Oct/2017 comes after 29/Oct/17 for some reason, LOL.
checker said on 17/Jan/18
Andrea, you calling Rudy Gay a liar for saying Merriman is 6'2, and with Merriman not denying it in his tweet back.

What in the world.
checker said on 17/Jan/18
Andrea, NFL.com had Merriman at a measured 6'2 at his pro day. Click Here

And he looks no taller than 6'2 with Barkley. People who meet him say hes 6'2. Hes NOT 6'3. He was listed at 6'3 his first 2 years at Maryland.

Ive posted at least 4 pics of Merriman and Vernon together since 2007 and 6'3 Vernon looked taller in all of them.

Dont know why you are stubborn and trolling now.
Andrea said on 17/Jan/18
In your fuc*ed up mind I'm sure it does, Canson. ;)
Andrea said on 17/Jan/18
Rob, I know it's pretty stupid to ask, but since I'm dealing with kids, do you still have the old comments somewhere? So that I can finally end this argument and expose Christian's (already obvious) hypocrisy and untruthfulness... You see, Christian? Another difference between me and you is that if you refer to the old comments of mine (that are no longer here), I don't deny anything. You, on the other hand, take advantage of the fact that they got deleted and you lie, lie and lie.
As for people "meeting" celebrities, you haven't answered my questions. Who are these people? How do you know they actually have met him in person? Do they have a good idea about height and how to gauge it in person? And please, don't say Viper. And saying that "you can't actually prove that Shawne and Boris are around 6'2" and 6'3" unless you meet them in person yourself" isn't really true. As I said, I've always gauged celebrities' heights from pictures and clips and basically all of those celebrities turned out to be as tall as I said when Rob eventually met them. Why do you think is that? Luck? Or maybe that "method" really works, if you know how to use it of course?
And yeah, Charles claiming a very precise 6'4.75 is quite curious, to say the least, if he really is taller than that, but saying that the chance of Barkley being 6'5.5 is almost zero is entirely your opinion and not completely true, considering that he can often look 6'5+. And Barkley at 6'4.75 wouldn't put Shawne under 6'2.75 there, so still taller than his 6-2.4 "measurement". The same 6-2.4 "measurement" which, as I said, comes from a "fan site", whether you like it or not. I tried to contact the owner of the site to have more info about it, but he still hasn't answered me. Anyway, this is how the owner himself described his site on FB, so I don't see how you can still say that it's not a "fan site": Click Here And you said it right. You don't know the time of measurements for any of those athletes, so everything you said is just speculation, no matter if, in your opinion, the NBA combine is typically earlier in the morning than NFL's.
And although it might be true that only two pictures of Shawne and Vernon isn't enough to conclude that Shawne is a weak 6'4, they seem enough to me to conclude that Shawne is taller than him (and certainly not shorter). And if you still say that Vernon is taller, despite those two pictures, I could easily say that in my opinion Barkley is no more than an inch taller than Shawne, despite the picture you have posted (which, btw, is only one picture, while my pictures are two). And if you had any clue about camera tricks, you would have never brought up that terrible picture of them or even tried to say that Vernon is taller than Shawne, based only on that. Even if that was the only pic you could find with the two... You have no idea of how many pictures I have discarded because of that. And this thing also relates to what you said about Shawne looking anywhere between 6'1 and 6'4 and Boris looking anywhere between 6'2 and 6'5+. If you are aware of camera angles, camera positions and camera advantages, it is certainly not true that they can look over such a huge range.
And I don't know which athletes of known heights and celebrities you're referring to, but you're completely free to buy Mr. R's estimate. I personally would completely rule it out, based on what I've seen (which is a lot), and I would bet all the money I have that he's easily taller than that...
Editor Rob
As a one off, this is from Nov 7th to the earliest Click Here.
Canson said on 17/Jan/18
@Andrea: exactly like I said in “my” last few posts about you. Exactly that defines and personifies you
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 17/Jan/18
@Andrea

If you don't believe me, ask Rob to retrieve the old comments (if that's possible) since you're keep calling me a liar. I brought the boyfriend thing up a month later AFTER you brought the prostitute thing up to show your hypocrisy because you're no better.
And I never said that posters allegedly meeting celebs is evidence. Viper and Canson's acquaintance both said they met Shawne and said he looked 6'2" and shorter than 6'3" respectively. I'm not using those as solid evidence, but rather a clue that Shawne's around 6'2". Just as I've done with Boris. You can't actually prove that Shawne and Boris are around 6'2" and 6'3" unless you meet them in person yourself, so the closest thing to evidence is by way of pics, clips, or reading people's posts about claiming to have met them.
And sorry but if a guy claims 6'4.75" at least twice, there's a very good chance of him not being any taller than that. Let's be honest, the chance of Barkley being 6'5.5" is almost zero. It makes no sense for a 6'5.5" basketball player to claim 6'4.75" especially being that taller is seen as better in basketball. I believe he was being honest with his claim. Barkley at 6'4.75" would put Shawne at best 6'2.5", which is very similar to how he measured at the Pro Bowl at 6'2 3/8". Btw, it's an official measurement by the NFL, not some "fan site" like you claim. And I know the time of measurements is speculation, but the NBA combine is typically earlier in the morning than NFL's. There's a greater chance for a NBA player to get measured an inch higher than their lowest heights (especially with NBA rounding up 1/8" fractions) than for a NFL player to get measured 3/4" taller than his lowest.
And I never disregarded the two pics you posted with Shawne and Vernon. I think they're alright pics, although only two pics with Shawne looking taller than 6'3" Vernon isn't enough to conclude that Shawne's weak 6'4", as there are many pics where Shawne looks 6'2"-6'3". And I used the pic with Shawne and Vernon that Checker/Viper posted as a hint that Shawne's shorter than Vernon (which the camera angle's not that good), because at the time it was the only pic I could find with the two. But I still stand by my opinion that Vernon's actually taller than Shawne. And like just about any other celeb, they're gonna look taller or shorter in certain pics. There are some pics where Shawne looks as short as 6'1" and others tall as 6'4". Just like some pics where Vernon looks below 6'2" and others over 6'4". And just like some pics where Boris looks 6'2" and others 6'5"+.
And I have no reason to doubt Mr. R's 6'3.25" estimate for Boris because he looks around that height next to athletes of known heights and as well as some celebs.
Andrea said on 16/Jan/18
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that it was just a tongue-and-cheek remark, Christian. Just like every other thing he said to those posters he disagreed with throughout these years, LOL. And, as I said, you keep lying. I never felt insulted by Canson's trash talk and, in fact, I never mentioned it before the day you started to play the "I am good and you are bad" card. The only reason why I brought it up was to show your hypocrisy in doing that. Keep believing in what you say, though. As I said, I couldn't care less at this point.
And I don't know how many times I have to tell you, people "meeting" celebrities is not evidence. Again, who are these people who have met Shawne? How do you know they actually have met him in person? Do they have a good idea about height and how to gauge it in person? Many people also guessed a guy like Tom Cruise as 5'5 MAX "in person". This doesn't make him that short, though. Shawne certainly looks taller than just 6-2.4 with many MEASURED athletes, so I find it hard to believe that he's as short as that. With Barkley I wouldn't have guessed him over 2 inches shorter there, so still taller than 6-2.4. And no, I don't think that Barkley could be as tall as 6'6. The most I would argue is 6'5.5, but I'd safely rule out 6'6. Speaking of Shawne, I had another look at that site that listed his height as 6-2.4 (which seems the only place where he got described as low as that) and it's not even an official site, but a "fan site" run by a guy who somehow retrieves those data and puts them on it. So it's not even an official source, unlike nfldraftscout.com, but I guess that having Shawne down at 6'2-6'3 is enough to make it legit, right? Anyway, I'll be honest and say that I'm not completely sure about Shawne (like I can be about Boris), but 6'2-6'3 does seem too low next to many measured athletes, although I can appreciate how he can look as low as that at times. As for the time of measurements, that's just speculation. We don't know at what time (meaning how many hours out of bed) any of these athletes (Shawne, Dwayne and Pique) were measured, so it makes no sense to say that Shawne can't be as much as 2 cms under his measurement and at the same time that Dwayne can be as much as an inch under it.
And I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself, but I never used Viper's thought about that picture of Boris with Magic as proof that Boris is 6'4. What kind of proof would that be? LOL Besides the fact that, as I said, Viper never said that Boris is 6'4... And I honestly still don't see how this thing is connected to you saying that Shawne is 6'2 because, according to you, he looked clearly shorter than Vernon in that terrible picture you posted. What is even funnier is that now that I have posted 2 good pictures of them together, you simply disresgard them. And I could say the same thing you said for that picture of Shawne and Barkley. If you wanna still believe that his 6-2.4 measurement was legit, we can agree to disagree. But that means you also have to put Vernon at barely 6'2 now.
As for Vincent Pastore, as I said, I have seen nothing of him, but if he really looks more 5'9 than 5'10, based on the many photos I'm sure you have seen before submitting that comment, why don't you post those photos on his page, so that Rob can give him a more realistic listing? I'm sure it would be appreciated... ;)
As for Mr. R, I was pretty sure that you would have made that argument ("he overestimates but never underestimates") and I was waiting for it because it's not true. Mr. R also guessed 5'10.75 listed George Clooney as low as 5'9-5'9.5, 5'7.5 listed Mark Ruffalo as low as 5'6 and 5'10 listed Mark Valley as low as 5'7, just to name a few. So no, he doesn't just overestimate celebrities at times, but he also underestimates them. That being said, I respect him a lot because unlike many posters on here, he sounds like a genuine guy and he's never arrogant when he gives his estimates.
P.S. Canson, exactly like I said in my last post. Exactly that... :)
Canson said on 14/Jan/18
Viper/Checker has also met merriman in person so he could tell a difference of 6’2 and 6’4
Canson said on 14/Jan/18
@Christian: well said! I wasn’t close enough to Merriman to see exactly. But checker mentioned it earlier about the game that he attended and I believe it was the Miami game where I too saw Merriman. But I’ve axtually stood right next to Vernon Davis tho and he is 6’3” and have never seen any evidence to believe Merriman is taller than he is. Davis looks physically taller all the time. Now I don’t agree with all of Checker’s estimates such as Michael Irvin being only 6’0” because I’ve met Irvin and he was at most 3” (actually was more 2-3”) shorter than me and I believe I had boots on and he was prob in regular shoes which prob explained it. Irvin to me in person was 6’2” honestly. Maybe he’s lost height today but when I met him he looked about 6’2” still. Worst case 6’1.5 if I’m somehow off. but I do agree on Merriman esp with me knowing someone that has also met him and said that he is not as tall as I am and wasn’t even as tall as my 6’3” friend. Davis tho was for sure taller than Michael Irvin in person. Davis is every bit as tall as one of my friends who is 6’3” standing next to me. In fact I could argue Davis may appear taller but because he has good posture too. My friend is close to 60 and tho he still maintains his height well he may not always have perfect posture (but to his credit has very broad shoulders and is an ex CFL player). There’s always a chance someone had a slight footwear advantage but we were both in similar footwear from what I remember. He gives off a bigger impression on Tv than he actually is at times and he has supreme posture too. Also has a very typical build for a classic 6’3” meaning the legs etc. there’s always a chance he’s 6’2 7/8 being that the combine in 2006 was said to be at 6am (see article below that I posted to Checker) but Davis still looked 6’3” imho. So to me he prob isn’t under 6’2 7/8 esp being my friend is 190.4ish at a low at night

I agree with you on Dwayne Wade but honestly don’t even know if that was a bust a gut. That looks like an error where the shoe height was placed in the barefoot column and they simply added an inch for sneaks as my former AAU coach has met Wade (he was a NBA scout) and said Wade was maybe a hair taller than him. He himself is 6’2” by his own admission and said Wade is at “best” 6’3 but estimated him 6’2-6’3. That may also be coming from what he knows from people around the league. Not to mention my former coach knows Otis Smith GM from Orlando Magic very well and Smith said in a narrative describing Wade “he’s 6’4 on a good day”. That doesn’t describe a guy who is 6’3.75 even 6’3.5.
Canson said on 14/Jan/18
@Andrea: so if you’re going to challenge Viper et all meeting or estimating Shawne’s Height in person or pics why do you take Rising’s estimates for granted or put any measurable amount of consideration that they may be true? You just proved Christian’s point that you only take the estimates that support your narrative and disregard anything that contradicts it. And Viper’s estimate Before was “indicative” of Boris possibly being 6’4. I mean you can say what you want but why did you bring up that “even he said that could “look 6’4 with Magic” if you didn’t consider it to have weight or merit in your argument? Otherwise you shouldn’t have even mentioned it. Now that he has changed his estimate (as Checker) it must be “taken with a grain of salt”? And because Merriman doesn’t look near his combine height. Btw I see you mentioning his multiple usernames as something that should be held against him. Just like he said Merriman doesn’t deny the 6’2” claim I’ve never seen Checker deny it when someone has called him Viper. I’ve seen many posters and Rob call him Viper even under that username and he doesn’t say a thing. Not to mention his pictures and evidence prove Merriman isn’t more than 6’2”
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 14/Jan/18
@Andrea

I'm not saying that everyone who claimed to met a celeb is truthful or even if they're truthful they're accurate. There are some who gave crazy estimates, like 2+ inches more/less than what Rob lists. But I really have no reason to doubt people who claimed to have met Boris and say he's around 6'3", or people who met Shawne and say he's around 6'2". Those two figures are believable because they look those respective heights in some pics and in Shawe's case he was measured 6'2 3/8".
As for Junior31 claiming to have met Vincent Pastore and saying he's 5'9", I have no reason to think he's making up a lie because in a lot of the pics I've seen Pastore standing to celebs, he looks about 5'9" rather than 5'10", especially in his later years due to him shrinking.
As for Mr. R, it's also possible that he could've seen Wayne Brady from a distance so he couldn't gauge his height properly. I'm not gonna rule that out either. And there seems to be a pattern with Mr. R that he whenever he guesses a celeb's height wrong, he overestimates but never underestimates. Like Neil Patrick Harris and Michael Urie for example. And that's why I highly doubt he underestimated Boris when he met him and guessed him as 6'3.25"
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 14/Jan/18
@Andrea
And Canson's remark about you being a prostitute was tounge-and-cheek as well, but you took offense to that. That's when I brought the boyfriend remark up. You're the one that's lying here. I remember clearly that I brought it up after, not before. If you want proof, you go ask Rob yourself, don't beg me to do it.
And like I said, it's extremely unlikely that the 6'2 3/8" measurement was an error, one reason is because people met Shawne and said he's about 6'2" (including a friend of Canson's). Also Canson himself met him once but he said he was very far away so he couldn't exactly pinpoint how tall he looked.
And don't even begin to compare Wade's and Shawne's measurements. NBA and NFL do measurements at different times of the day. NBA does measurements that are sometimes 6:30AM while NFL combine takes place later in the morning. And I never disregarded or said Wade's 6'3.75" measurement was an error. I just don't believe he's nearly as tall as his measurement. He typically looks around 190cm next to players. The only way a 190cm guy would ever measure near 6'3.75" is immediately out of bed, but NBA players don't get measured straight out of bed. So Wade very well could've busted a gut during a measurement very early in the day and could've got 6'3 5/8" and just rounded up to 6'3.75" as the NBA doesn't use 1/8" fractions. As for Shawne, if you say he's 192cm, there's no way he can measure 194cm (by busting a gut or not), unless he slept inside the stadium and was measured immediately upon waking up, which is absurd. Players don't sleep the night inside the building before combine. And as I explained, the NFL combine takes place later in the morning than NBA. And Pique's situation is different because soccer measurements are sometimes done very early like the NBA.
And I'd love for you to explain how a "6'4 3/8" measured" Shawne looks about 2.5" shorter than a 6'4 5/8" Barkley. Click Here Let's face it, either Shawne's max 6'2 3/8" and Barkley's max 6'4 5/8", or Shawne's weak 6'4" and Barkley's 6'6"+. It's either one of the two, Andrea. And it would be foolish for you to believe the latter, because you're the same person who believes Barkley's 6'4.75", so don't inflate Barkley to 6'6" just to make Shawne a weak 6'4", now that Shawne looks 2.5" shorter than him. And let's just say if somehow, someway, Barkley was really the 6'5.5" that RisingForce thinks he is, it would still make Shawne 6'3" flat.
And I view any measurement as being reliable, whether it be from an article or from a draft document. The only time I question a player's measurement is when their height in pics/clips don't reflect their supposed measurements. The reason why Barkley's 6'4 5/8" is believable is because he looks around it in the majority of pics next to other celebs and players of known heights, and Barkley's teammates/coaches etc. described him as 6'4"-6'5" and 6'4". And the reason why Shawne's 6'4 3/8" is BS in my opinion is because he looks around 6'2"-6'3" and 6'2" in many pics, but to be fair he also can look as tall as weak 6'4" in other pics as well. But at least 2 people met him and said he's about 6'2". And if that's not enough, he was also measured 6'2 3/8" at the NFL Pro Bowl. If you wanna still believe that his 6'4 3/8" measurement was legit, we can agree to disagree. But that means you also have to put Barkley at 6'6"+ now.
And I was just pointing out your hypocrisy that it's ok for you to use Viper's (the poster who you refer to as a downgrader) 6'4" estimate for Boris as proof that he's 6'4", but somehow it's wrong for me to use the pic with Vernon and Shawne as a hint (not necessarily proof even) that Shawne's 6'2".
Canson said on 13/Jan/18
@Andrea: that’s exactly why both of us say that Wade is 6’2.75 next to other NBA players he doesn’t look 6’3.75.And that wouldn’t be an early morning measurement of course if he’s that low it would be a shoe measurement for him. He’s clearly 2” shorter than Kobe Barkley or Jordan and not even an inch on Westbrook and probably a full inch maybe 1.5” on Rose. I don’t see why you are attacking us on that when you discount Merriman measuring 6’2 3/8. As Christian said you choose whatever fits your narrative and accuse us of doing that. And you continuing to use Rising’s estimates and comment on what he says just proves what Christian and I both have said all along that are hypercritical sinxe you seem to preface your narrative with what he says and you accuse us of believing the posters that we want or “lying” when it doesn’t agree with your thoughts. You really have some nerve calling anyone a hypocrite. Again everyone here sees that you do exactly what you accuse us of yet you turn it around on us. It’s funny that you have attacked both Christian and me about doing that yet you continue to do that. Then when someone’s estimate doesn’t agree or coincide with yours that person’s estimate like Mr R or Checker/Viper shouldn’t be taken seriously or should be taken with a grain of salt. As far as what you said about Mr R on previous estimates if that is how tall he guessed the other celeb then that’s his opinion. Not everyone has to see things your way or agree with everything you say. However you only seem to respect the posters that do is what you clearly do. I mean when you tell me “Canson, if after all of these pics and things you still believe Boris is under 6’4, then I don’t know what to tell you” or “I thought you guys were reasonable but I guess not” that clearly shows it so no need to even speak on that anymore. But had Mr R said that Boris was 6’3.5 or 6’4 in person you would #1 believe him and use that as more proof that Boris is 6’4” in this argument and #2 you wouldn’t have even brought up his estimate about the other celeb that you did to Christian. That’s obvious with you.

As far as you comparing Boris and seeking opinions it’s very clear not only here but in other pages that you don’t have a mind of your own. You have gone to 3 or 4 other pages where you “seek reassurance” that Boris is 6’4 from Rob and other posters. Chi McBride Tyler Perry And Cena. You continue to ask Rob and other posters whether Boris looks 6’4” with that celeb. It’s clear as day so really you have no room to attack Christian or me.

Again, you harp on me sounding like a broken record when that is you actually referring to yourself. You say that I ignore your posts etc. I don’t. I just choose not to respond to some of the false claims that you make against me or Christian or the other jibberish that you post that isn’t pertinent to this debate. Much of it is for you to try to show why Christian and I cannot estimate height in your mind because our estimates don’t coincide with yours and why our past disagreements with other posters bolsters your argument when really you have no room to talk because you’ve engaged in arguments as well. And again I don’t care how many you’ve gotten into vs how many either one of us has because if you’ve gotten into any with other posters then it leaves you no room to critique anyone else. And this argument continues because you keep making false claims about both of us because we don’t agree with you or your estimates to try to “discredit us as posters” because That’s what you have to resort to when you have nothing else to say
checker said on 13/Jan/18
Shawne did not deny the 6'2 statement from Rudy Gay at all.
checker said on 13/Jan/18
Rudy Gay played basketball with Merriman and called him 6'2. Click Here

Either Shawne told him his height or he knows what 6'2 looks like.

Another fail from you Andrea.

And Merriman looks 6'1 a lot as I have showed. Id also love to show the pic of him with 6'6 Jamaal Wilkes where he looks barely 6'1 on even ground but it was a twitter photo and cant find it anymore.

A 6'2 guy like him is going to look 6'1 a good deal and sometimes as tall as 6'3.
Andrea said on 12/Jan/18
As for Mr. R, there's nothing wrong with taking his estimates for granted. You want to do it? Go ahead. I don't. And I even explained why. Although I think that Mr. R is a genuine visitor and that he's truthful when he says he has met this or that celebrity, I also think that some of his estimates are a bit hard to believe. I mean, Mr. R also guessed Neil Patrick Harris at 6'1 and Michael Urie at over 6' in person, just to name a couple. Does that mean that they were in lifts too, considering that I doubt they are over their 5'11.5 and 5'11 listings? Where is the common sense that you love talking about now? My explanation is that he simply overestimated them. Maybe he wasn't close enough, maybe he met them on the street (which is certainly the worst place to gauge heights), etc. It could be a lot of things... That's why I say that it makes no sense to base your estimates on what people that allegedly met celebrities say. First of all because people make up all kind of stories on the internet, especially on this site, and second of all because even if they're telling the truth (which doesn't happen as often as you'd think), this doesn't necessarily mean that their estimates are perfect (like in Mr. R's case). Not everybody is as good as Rob when it comes to guessing heights in person. But you (and even more so Canson) obviously seem to ignore these things... Comments like this prove it: Click Here I mean, a random guy says that he met this celebrity and that this celebrity is no more than 5'9 and you obviously take for granted both the fact that this poster really met this celebrity and the fact that his estimate is 100% correct by saying that it goes to show that a lot of Rob's listings are overlisted. Now, I haven't seen anything of this actor and, as far as I know, he may well be as tall as that poster says, but implying that he's shorter than his 5'10 listing just because a random guy says that he looked no more than 5'9 in person is quite foolish, to say the least.
Andrea said on 12/Jan/18
A tounge-and-cheek remark, Christian? That's exactly what my "you and your boyfriend Canson (or viceversa)" was meant to be and see what happened. Speaking of that, the only reason why I recycled that comment about the boyfriend incident in my last post is because you keep lying and saying that you brought it up to show my hypocrisy when I bashed Canson for calling me a prostitute, but it's not true because you did it way before that. In fact, it's really the opposite. I did bring the prostitute thing up just to show your hypocrisy when you decided to play the "I am good and you are bad" card. As I said, the post that "proves" what I'm saying is no longer here, but you can ask Rob if he still has the old comments somewhere, in case you don't believe me or think I'm making this up... But you know what? Say or think whatever you want. I honestly don't really care at this point.
And who said that Shawne managed to measure 2 inches taller with bust a gut measurement? All I said is that with a earlier+bust a gut measurement you may well measure 2 cms taller than what you are (at your normal low with a normal measurement). And that may well be Shawne's case. And I never said that the NFL purposefully fabricated that 6-2.4 measurement because I agree that it would make no sense. It could be just an error. And again with this "people met him and said he's 6'2 in person" thing... Who are these people? How do you know they actually have met him in person? Do they have a good idea about height and how to gauge it in person? If you mean people from this site, as I said, they're all Viper under different names, in case you are too unintelligent to understand it (don't worry, it's just a tounge-and-cheek remark :) ). And how is Vernon's picture "distorted"? Vernon is standing a bit closer to the camera, but the camera isn't low (unlike those pictures of Boris with The Game and Michael Jai White), so it's pretty much an ideal picture. And Shawne looks comfortably taller than him. Now, it is certainly hard to believe that Shawne was measured at 6-2.4 and Vernon at 6'3.25. It just doesn't add up! I haven't seen that much of Vernon, to be fair, but I certainly wouldn't guess him under 6'3 next to Obama, so I would say that Shawne's 6-2.4 measurement has a lot more chance to be wrong than Vernon's one. Besides the fact that I have posted many other pictures with other MEASURED athletes where he looks noticeably taller than 6'2-6'3. Are you trying to say that all their measurements are erroneous? LOL
And how is saying that Shawne could be more 6'3-6'4 at his low despite his 6'4 3/8 measurement funny? As I said, with a earlier+bust a gut measurement you can easily measure even 2 cms taller than what you are. Pique was measured just under 195 once. According to your logic, his low should be no less than 193.5-194, which I doubt, considering that it could even be less than 193, IMO. Plus, it's funny that you make that argument, given that you are the same guy who thinks that Dwayne Wade is 6'2.75, even though he was measured at 6'3.75. So you basically say that there is no way that Shawne can be as low as 6'3-6'4 if he was measured at 6'4 3/8, but at the same time Dwayne can even be 6'2.75 despite his 6'3.75 measurement. That's a classic Christian: hypocrite and incoherent. And I don't "disregard" Barkley's 6'4 5/8 "measurement". I just think that it's not enough to be considered an "official measurement". It is just a mention in one article, which says that Charles "was more like 6'4 5/8 than 6'6". How can you say that Charles was measured at 6'4 5/8, based only on that? Shawne's 6'4 3/8 measurement, on the other hand, doesn't come from just one article, but it comes from a site that is supposed to list MEASURED heights of NFL players, so it is a bit different. And the fact that you disregard Dwayne Wade's 6'3.75 measurement, but hold on to Charles's alleged 6'4 5/8 measurement clearly shows that you're biased. Speaking of them, it is a bit hard to believe both of their measurements, considering that Dwayne can easily look 2 inches shorter than Charles, like Rising showed, but I guess that it must be because Dwayne's measurement is erroneous. After all, a mention in one article is more reliable than a draft measurement, right?
And what's the connection between Viper's thought about Boris and Magic's picture and the fact that you brought up that terrible Vernon Davis's picture as the definite proof that Shawne is no more than 6'2? Hmm...
Andrea said on 12/Jan/18
LOL, Canson. You basically just proved what I said about you in my last post. You make excuses, you are biased, you are hypocrite, you have no clue about height differences and camera tricks, you lie, you have no credibility, you cherry pick photos and videos, you don't have a mind of your own (even though I would simply say you have no brain) and you think that what other people say is just an opinion, but at the same time you act as if what you say is the only truth on here, which brings you, most of the time, to insult those people who disagree with you. And you're obviously full of insecurities. The fact that you keep accusing me of things you're guilty of proves it. That's basic psychology.
And you make up a lot of things. Viper never said that Boris is 6'4. He just said that Boris looks at least 6'4 next to Magic, not that he is 6'4. If I'm not wrong, he always said that he's no more than 6'2 or 6'3, which could certainly explain, not that I care, why the Average Guess is so low :P 6'2 or 6'3, which is the same estimate he gave for Jared Padalecki. So, at least he's coherent with what he says, considering that a 6'2-6'3 estimate for Boris is just as believable as a 6'2-6'3 estimate for Jared. I'll give him that.
And the reason why I posted those photos and videos on John Cena's and Chi McBride's pages is because both of them can certainly be argued to be shorter than their listings next to Boris and those links I have posted speak more about John's and Chi's listings than Boris'. I certainly don't need people to tell me that Boris looks 6'4 next to them because first of all, as I said, I don't need consensus or people agreeing with me, unlike you, and second of all because it's quite obvious (at least to an unbiased person) that he looks 6'4 and, if anything, even taller than that, if you assume that both John and Chi are as tall as listed. You, on the other hand, tried to continue this debate on The Game's and Charles Barkley's pages, by saying that they make Boris look no more than 6'3 and by hoping that some other people came on their pages and said that you are right and that Boris is as tall as you say. So, once again, you accuse me of things you're guilty of. That doesn't surprise me anymore, though. That's typical of you character.
As for Shawne, my estimate for his height has nothing to do with Boris. If I thought he could be as low as 6'2, I'd have no problem to admit it. I mean, I know that there is a photo of Boris with Shawne, where he looks a bit taller than him, but again there is a "similar" photo of Armie Hammer with the same Shawne, where he looks no taller than him: Click Here Click Here So saying that Boris isn't over 6'2-6'3 just because Shawne is 6'2 is like saying that Armie isn't over 6'2 just because Shawne is 6'2. Although Armie may well be closer to 6'4 flat, I certainly doubt he's as low as 6'2...
And how I am "so unsure of myself now that there actually is evidence that Boris is below 6'4."? What are you even talking about? LOL If anything, now that I have seen more photos and videos of him than what I had before this discussion, I'm even more sure about this listing. And I repeat what I said in the past: if he ever turned out to be as low as 6'3 flat (let alone under), I would be so shocked that I probably would never come back on here for the embarrassment. Why? Because I've certainly seen enough (probably more than any other celebrity now) to completely rule it out. If you rule out the possibility of him wearing lifts or every other celebrity he appeared with being noticeably shorter than their listings, I would bet all the money I have that he's comfortably taller than 6'3. The reason why I say that I would never come back on here for the embarrassment is because it never happened so far that I overestimated (or underestimated) a celebrity by an inch (let alone over), but, as I said, basically all celebrities that I have "challenged" in the past turned out to be as tall as I said when Rob eventually met them. I guess I've been just "lucky"... And for the record, I have seen a lot less stuff of those celebrities than what I have seen of Boris. So, if anything, I'm a lot more sure about him than how I could have been about those celebrities.
P.S. The only reason why it takes me a while to reply at times is because unlike you, I have a life and I don't spend my days behind a monitor. I know that that word probably means nothing to you, but I suggest you to do the same. Get a life, Canson. After all, didn't you say that you already are in your thirties? I'd say it's about time, especially considering that you act, think and speak like a 10 years old kid.
Canson said on 11/Jan/18
@Christian: to be fair in all of this a lot of people here use that Barkley wasn’t ever measured tho. At least Andrea trusts that he isn’t over 6’4.75. I’ll give him that. I mean I’ve seen some craziness with people saying the measurement didn’t actually take place and usually just to make people taller. But you say it well and the same as I always have with Barkley people and many many people on the net and few people I know have met him and more often than not he’s 6’4-6’5 range. Even people taller than him say the same so the eye level excuse I’ve seen on here doesn’t fly either. I’ve also seen it where people like teammates etc say he’s 6’4” so that leads me to believe 6’4.75 could be a bit earlier and he may only be 6’4.5 or so at a low. He is heavy tho so maybe he’s 6’5.25-.5 out of bed but even so he could be down to my height by nighttime on the flip side
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 11/Jan/18
@Canson

True. And Andrea made yet another excuse when he said that Barkley's 6'4 5/8" measurement was possibly a typo. And what's also funny is that he holds dear to Shawne's erroneous 6'4 3/8" listing but at the same time he also estimates him at weak 6'4" or 6'3"-6'4" (basically 6'3.5"), which is contradicting because a player isn't gonna be nearly an inch shorter than what he measured at the combine. At most it's like 3/8" or 1/2" shorter like you said. If Shawne's really 6'3.5" or weak 6'4", then he would've been measured 6'4" flat at most at the combine.
The fact that Andrea disregarded Barkley's 6'4 5/8" and Shawne's 6'2 3/8" measurements, but holds on to Shawne's erroneous 6'4 3/8" measurement, clearly shows that he's biased.
Canson said on 10/Jan/18
@Christian: of course Andrea does everything you said he does. He repeats himself with both of us accusing us of the same things he does. He does so and tries to play victim and accuse other people to put light on what they do in order to deflect the attention away from himself. That is the same thing as he has done here by bringing up past disagreements we’ve had as that is somehow evidence here about Boris being 6’4” or makes our estimates less credible or even worse our opinions and posts. Essentially he does it to make us less credible as posters.

I agree Andrea does write very well. What’s fair is fair but when the writing is all in vein and is simply to make himself look better and try to look make us look bad it is cancelled out. It is also because he takes the time to spell check and uses a computer whereas I use a phone as do others which autocorrect and cause errors in grammar and structure. It’s like anything we say at this point that is pertinent to this argument is discredited is how I feel because his mind is made up that He’s right across the board. This doesn’t include the stuff that we are saying amongst each other critiquing. These are the facts we’ve presented here pertaining to the argument where they are always wrong or discounted or he makes an excuse to discredit or diminish them.

At the end of the day, all of us have said stuff to each other (you not as bad as he or I have) but for Andrea continuously attack and say that either of us select which assessments on height that a poster chooses where he is clearly doing the same with Checker/Viper (first it was potential evidence that Boris is 6’4 now it’s not because he doesn’t believe he is and admitted it), not to mention me with Moe and Bobby3342 where I was accused of doing the same thing that he is with Checker and Rising Force. I didn’t agree with Moe and his assessments on most of his celebs (nor did Andrea and he even said he lost credibility) yet I’m the one who is in the wrong. And you and I have both debated with Rising. While i also respect him, I don’t agree with any of his estimates on the basketball players. All are at least half inch too high some even more than that. But his estimates become convenient because Barkley being or looking a full 6’5” or more make Boris 6’4” like he says he is. That’s fine and dandy. At least you don’t see either of us running to Rob and other posters to see if Boris looks 6’4” next to McBride or Cena or saying that we would never come back to this site if we lost the argument.
Canson said on 10/Jan/18
@Andrea: if I have to hear “you already told me” one more time. I swear you’re the broken record. You act as if what you say is gospel or you are authority here. That’s why Christian and I don’t respect you nor do we take you seriously. You are very annoying and sound like an annoying pest here who is very childish because we aren’t seeing it your way that you’re dragging this on. And in your response back to Christian where you would’ve ended this you won’t. I know you. You will not end it until either Christian or I don’t respond back to you or until we agree or until Rob meets Boris and confirms he’s 6’3 or under.

Of course that along with the fact that you’re clearly a hypocrite saying we do things you do (you say we can’t estimate height because it doesn’t align with your estimates or say that one of us is lying about a height difference because we don’t see it the way you do). You fail to mention any of that to either of us. Instead you bring up our past disagreements with other posters to help your argument. It’s funny you bring up Vincent Jackson in Checker’s pic having a “huge camera advantage” yet in your video with Boris and Brady Boris was in the same position as he was yet we didn’t hear anything about that. Jackson is no more favored than Boris was. And I know that this is the only part of my response that you will critique. I see exactly what you do you don’t immediately respond to parts of Christian or my arguments instead you wait and do so once you have formulated an excuse as to why it’s not true or you diminish it. Everyone here sees exactly how you are and that you clearly don’t have a mind of your own Andrea. Not to mention you are incredibly stubborn. If Christian and I are proven wrong either of us will admit it. You however said you would run away and never come back to this site. So that just supports you being stubborn and you continuing to insult us hoping we will just back away. Next time don’t force your opinions down people’s throats like you do. No argument I’ve ever had here or Christian has lasted as long as this one has with you. No argument anyone has had here has.
Canson said on 10/Jan/18
@Checker: Andrea sees them. It’s just that, as Christian says, he only chooses the pics and statements of others, or other overall evidence that support his narrative. There is an excuse for every pic where Boris or Merriman look under 6’4 or specifically 6’3 or under, which in turn make Boris look too short for his argument. There is also a reference to anyone whose estimates support his narrative or where he agrees with their estimates such as when you (posted as Viper) believed that Boris could look 6’4” with Magic but now that your evidence contradicts his beliefs, it must be “taken with a huge grain of salt”. I could respect Andrea’s views if he respected mine yours and Christian’s but he clearly doesn’t and didn’t make excuses when Boris doesn’t look 6’4 or when Merriman doesn’t look 6’3-6’4. But instead He insults all three of us if our views don’t coincide with his. He won’t admit when he is wrong as was evidenced when he said “if Boris turns out to be 6’3 or less if Rob were to meet him, he would never come back to this site out of embarrassment”. Not to mention look at John Cena Dennis Haysbert or Chi McBride’s pages (especially Cena and McBride) he is clearly fishing for Rob and other posters to tell him that Boris is 6’4” compared to both of those guys. He lacks his own confidence to figure it out on his own.

I mean some common sense here, if Merrriman were 6’4 3/8 even in the morning, he wouldn’t be a “weak 6’4” at a low like Andrea says unless that 6’4 3/8 were an out of bed measurement. Typically the combine measurements are only 3/8 or 1/2” higher than out of bed measurements are. So he may be 6’3 7/8 or 6’4 which is a solid 6’4” as there is no difference in appearance between them. That’s just another excuse that he makes in an ever increasing laundry list here in this debate. He won’t accept the fact that Merriman is 6’2” instead that measurement is “likely the one with the error” because in his mind Merriman looks 6’3-4”. Funny part is I though the same about Boris and Merriman. Never believed Boris as 6’4” but first time I posted on him thought 6’3.5 possibly or 6’3-6’3.5 but now I don’t. And remember I thought Shawne was about 6’4” but clearly he’s not. At least when I’m wrong and it’s the same for Christian having interacted with him over the last 3 years I’ve been on here, we will both admit if we are wrong but wrong means solid, clear evidence that we are. Meaning beyond reasonable doubt which isn’t the case with either Boris or Merriman for us to be wrong. There is not enough evidence in our minds to believe either guy is close to 6’4”. It’s just that Andrea believes he is so anyone who doesn’t is stupid. He posted pics where he can look it but in your pics along with ours he doesn’t. But our pics are defective because Merriman and Boris don’t look “6’3-6’4” or 6’4
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 10/Jan/18
@Andrea
Obviously you couldn't see that I was just making a tounge-and-cheek remark. If you were too unintelligent to even differentiate Jamie and Tatum, then you definitely couldn't have written lengthy comments like these. I gotta give you credit, because you have better grammar and sentence structures than the majority of the posters here. You may not be unitelligent, but you're too uptight and need to chill out, as proven by your response to the tounge-and-cheek joke I made.
As for Shawne, no way he can "bust a gut" to make himself 2 inches taller to be measured 6'4 3/8", so that argument about him purposefully making himself taller can be completely ruled out. And let's just say hypothetically if the NFL purposefully fabricated one of those measurements, it would make much more sense to fabricate the 6'4 3/8" rather than the 6'2 3/8", because like I said, taller is seen as more advantageous especially in a position like Linebacker. If one of those measurements was an accidental error (which I believe), I highly doubt that the 6'2 3/8" one is an error, and one of the reasons why is because people who met Shanwe says he's about 6'2" in person, and it's not like 1 or 2 people met him, it's a lot, so it can't be a coincidence that they all mistook him as being nearly 2 inches shorter than he is. So that can only mean one thing. And it's that the 6'4 3/8" listing was a 2 inch error.
And the funny thing about that pic you posted, is that camera-wise it's about as distorted as the pics I posted with Boris and The Game/Michael Jai White. Yet you're silent about the bad camera positioning in this pic just because it favors your narrative. And you can't call me a hypocrite either, because at least I acknowledged that those pics I posted had some slightly bad camera positioning. But I don't see you acknowledging about the camera positioning in this one.
As for Barkley, just because he looks 6'5"+ in some pics, doesn't mean that he's actually that tall. Same goes with Shawne, he can look a weak 6'4" in some pics such as the ones you provided, but that doesn't mean he's a weak 6'4" in reality.
And why are you keep posting the same stuff over again? This is now the third time you posted this paragraph (although some words you added). Please come up with something new, it's getting pretty boring lol. And also try to be original when you make an argument. You literally stole my "You're a lost cause" remark. Goes to show that you don't have a mind of your own, but that doesn't surprise me.
And it's hypocritical for you to criticize me when I said that you used Viper's 6'4" estimate for Boris as some type of proof that he'a 6'4", yet you did the same thing when you accused me of using Vernon's pic with Shawne as proof that he's 6'2".
And what's wrong with taking Mr. R's estimates as granted? After all, he's a credible and truthful poster in your own words. So now you're calling him a liar now? And for the record, he's 5'11 3/8" himself, so he knows how tall a 6'0" guy is gonna look since that's very close to his height. If he's gonna guess someone as precisely as "a bit over 6'3"" (like he did Boris), then no way he's gonna mistake a 5'10" or 5'11" guy like Wayne for 6'0". So the only logical possibility is that Wayne wore lifts to the point where he looked 6'0" at that event which Mr. R met him.
checker said on 9/Jan/18
Merriman looks shorter than 6'2 Suge Knight at the 1:16 mark. Click Here
checker said on 9/Jan/18
Over 10 years ago I posted several pics from Merrimans myspace where Vernon was taller. One was at the 2008 Espys.

There was video on youtube of Vernon and Merriman being interviewed on the red carpet and Vernon looked 6'4 next to 6'2 Merriman.

Anyway, Merriman doesnt deny the 6'2 statement from Rudy Gay. Sorry Andrea.
Canson said on 9/Jan/18
Sorry Andrea, you are "accusing me of doing the things you actually do". This actually fits you better than it does Christian or me. You're still bringing stuff up that I did in the past for some reason. IT has nothing to do with this argument and I don't get what you are trying to do other than to find other ways to attack me since you obviously are making no sense here and have no response or any valid points left in you in this debate. Clearly, you're the one calling Christian and me stupid or me a liar because my estimate does not coincide with yours or saying that you must take Checker's estimate with a grain of salt because it doesn't align with yours. That is exactly what you just accused me of doing. So if you want to call me a hypocrite or say what I'm doing wrong, you must first look in the mirror. Nothing you say is a fact. And you actually did call Christian and me boyfriends before I called you a prostitute. I am 100% certain about this just as you are 100% certain that it is not true. So to be honest, you critiquing Checker's pictures, you have no common sense, your pics are no better than his, it's just another one of your world famous excuses about someone being favored because it disproves your point. You have made an excuse now about Jamie Foxx wearing lifts, about people standing on tip toes, having camera advantages, diminishing height advantages (Kobe and Boris is more than a 3 CM difference, sorry). You always run to Rob or someone else in order to prove your point or support your point which makes it "a fact in your mind". However, it's still an opinion. However, anything that contradicts what you think or how you feel is a "lie" or "wrong". I mean you were also the one that said that you "would be embarrassed if you found out Boris were 6'3 or under and never come back to this site out of embarrassment" and also "If after all of this, you still believe Boris is under 6'3, I give up" or that "because Viper who downgrades people believes Boris is 6'4" like it Is proof he did. Don't make excuses now because you did clearly say that. Now it's "You must take Checker/Viper's estimates with a grain of salt". Or because "Rob says something it must be true". Oh and you are also the one who is running to other pages very "casually" soliciting other's opinions on whether Boris is as tall as Chi McBride or John Cena etc because you are so unsure of yourself now that there actually is evidence that he is below 6'4. Even you saying he may be 192 cm is under 6'4 but I'll leave that alone.


Either way, you've not only proven that you don't respect others opinions, you have also proven that you lack confidence in yourself since you have to run to other people to do your thinking for you, you make a ton of excuses, you bash people who don't agree with you, and you are purely a hypocrite. So no don't go and call Christian a lost cause because all of that clearly describes the person you are.
Andrea said on 8/Jan/18
I never said that Akon is standing on his tiptoes for sure, Christian. All I said is that you can't rule it out in a picture like that... And calling Channing Jamie was clearly a typo, but you're probably too unintelligent to understand it... :)
As for Shawne, it's pretty clear that one of those two measurements must be wrong because there is no way that a person can measure both 6-2.4 and 6'4 3/8. And I could say the same to you: "are you saying that the latter measurement's fake and made up, or that Shawne purposefully made his body taller during the measurement?". As Rob said, sometimes errors occur. If you think that the correct measurement is the 6-2.4 one, I could even respect it, but don't say that it is a fact because I posted many photos of him with MEASURED athletes where he looks comfortably taller than that, despite you saying that "he looks about 6'2" next to measured athletes as well, not just 6'3"-6'4", when it's not really the case. And it's funny how you brought up that Vernon Davis' picture with him more than once in the past, as some kind of definite proof that Shawne wasn't more than 6'2 (despite the "quality" of it), but now that I have posted a good picture of them together where Shawne clearly looks no shorter and in fact a bit taller than him, you simply disregarded it. And in case one picture is not enough, here's another one, which is probably even better than the first one because it's a full body shot photo: Click Here If Shawne really was as low as 6'2, that would make Vernon sub-6'2...
As for Barkley, I understand your point, but that 6'4 5/8 figure still doesn't come from an official measurement and it may well be a typo, as far as we know... You're right about one thing, though. Charles himself has claimed 6'4.75 and I cannot ignore it. I mean, why would he come out with such a precise number if he's taller than that? Hmm... All I know is that he can often look over 6'5, like Rising showed on his page...
And no matter how many times I tell you, you're still in denial that you didn't bring the boyfriends thing up to show my hypocrisy when I bashed Canson for calling me a prostitute. You did it way before that. In fact, it's really the opposite. I did bring the prostitute thing up just to show your hypocrisy when you started to accuse me of insulting you. How liar are you, LOL? As I said, I couldn't care less of that and I had NEVER mentioned it before. The only reason why I brought it up was to show your hypocrisy when you decided to play the "I am good and you are bad" card. That's all. Unfortunately the post that "proves" it is no longer here, but I'm 100% you did it. I remember I was going to end the discussion and you started to play the victim by bringing that boyfriend thing up again after over one month from when I told you that. If you don't believe me or you think I'm making this up, you can ask Rob to retrieve the old comments (if he still has them)... You're a lost cause, Christian.
And I never used Viper's 6'4 estimate for Boris as some type of proof. What kind of proof would that be? LOL Did you or did you not read my comment (which is something I already explained in the past, btw)? I did it "to show that even a guy like him who certainly has no hidden agenda in making someone taller than he is, given that he's very well known on here for downgrading everybody by at least 1-2 inches, thought that Boris looked at least 6'4 next to Magic. That's all.". As for Mr. R, what's not clear about "He has given some unbelievable estimates in the past (and I already remarked it way before this discussion)"??? As I said, I already remarked that some of Mr. R's estimates are a bit unbelievable, so it makes no sense to say that I do it just because I disagree about his estimates for Boris and Wayne, given that it is something I did way before this discussion. Once again, you jump to conclusions. And, as I said, you take for granted the fact that other people's estimates are 100% correct and the fact that you try to justify Mr. R's 6' estimate for Wayne, by saying that Wayne could have been in lifts, proves it. I have seen many photos and videos of Wayne and there's nothing that suggests that he's a lift wearer. Plus, he works with many tall and very tall guys on that Whose Line Is It Anyway show, so if he has never worn them there, I don't see why he should wear them at some events, like the one Mr. R went to...
Andrea said on 8/Jan/18
Canson, I already told you. Stop accusing me of things you're guilty of. The only one who doesn't respect other people's opinions on here is you. It's no coincidence that you've had so many fights throughout these years. And you've been on here for a lot less time than me. And it's funny that you say that everything is an opinion now, when you always act as if what you say is the only truth on here and you have bashed so many posters for their "opinions". Your hypocrisy is really limitless.
As for Shawne, unlike you, I have seen all the photos that have been posted and in many photos that Viper has posted, I wonder why, Shawne has a noticeable camera disadvantage (like those ones with Omar Benson and Nelson Rosario, or even that one with the same Vincent Jackson you mentioned, where the camera angle is favoring the other two guys), but I understand that these things mean nothing for you. And again, I don't see why you mention Larry English, considering that he looks comfortably shorter than Shawne from those photos, so, if anything, it proves my point.
And what I said about Rising was more a general comment. It has nothing to do with Barkley. What I meant to say is that his opinion is a lot more credible than yours because unlike you, he isn't biased at all and he has a very good knowledge about everything that concerns height. And a poster isn't reliable or not only because of his estimates. There's a bunch of posters that I consider very valuable on here, but whose opinions don't always coincide with mine. That certainly doesn't make them less reliable or respectable, though.
And yeah, I did say that I'm not a shoe expert because I don't have the arrogance to say that Boris' shoes are no thicker than Kobe's (like you did when you said that Boris' shoes are "clearly" noticeably thicker than Kobe's). All I said is that Boris's shoes don't look much different than Kobe's there, to me. Just like Barkley's shoes look at least a 1/4 inch thicker than Boris' in those picture, whether you like it or not.
As for Rampage, you are a broken record. I already told you that I always had my reason for saying what I said to him and I certainly don't regret it. As I said, go take a look at those pages where I had discussions with him and see who made things personal. And I certainly never insulted him like you did with most of the posters on here.
And unlike you, I don't need consensus or people agreeing with me because fortunately I'm a quite confident person. You, on the other hand, aren't able to have a single discussion without bringing your bff Christian up and you would be no one without him backing you up on almost every post. The only reason why I posted Boris' picture with John Cena on John's page was because John doesn't look much over his 6' claim next to Boris and I thought it was worth to be posted there, considering that there are some people who even think that John might be near 6'1 on his page... And you stick to the subject??? LOL Go visit Ray Fisher's and Wayne Brady's pages (just to name a couple) and see how much you stick to the subject, LMFAO. The only thing you stick to is the trash talk and the complete ignorance that marks you as one of the biggest jokes on here.
Canson said on 7/Jan/18
@Checker: no way he has close to 4” with Ray Lewis. We can’t see footwear but still that wouldn’t make a 4” difference

Click Here
Canson said on 7/Jan/18
@Checker: I agree with you on what you said. Merriman never looks above 6’2” or so. Yea we could argue maybe 6’2 and change in any pic but certainly not 6’3 let alone 6’4. With Davis he’s clearly shorter as well. Not even sure Davis measured 6’3.25 at his lowest but in person he’s not noticeably less than 6’3”. I mean he honestly looked a good 6’3 imho and that’s how he looks on tv and in game as well. A good 6’3”
checker said on 5/Jan/18
I wonder If Merriman told Rudy Gay his 6'2 height.

In Merriman's tweet back he didnt deny the 6'2 statement. So he basically admits hes 6'2.
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 4/Jan/18
@Andrea

I don't consider that pic with Akon and Boris as proof that Boris isn't more than 6'3". In fact, he looked closer to 6'2" in the pic, but that could be either due to footwear or the camera lens favoring Akon. But I would never say that Akon was standing on his tiptoes, because it's a very gross assumption.
And what's up with "As for Jamie, I agree that he doesn't seem to wear lifts next to Jamie, but for some reason he looks noticeably taller than 5'9 there (or Jamie noticeably shorter than his 6'0.5 listing, depending on how you want to see it)"? Either you made a mistake and typed Jamie instead of Tatum, or you're too unintelligent to differentiate the two.
And if Shawne was actually really measured at 6'4 3/8" at the Combine, then explain how he was also measured at 6'2.4" at the Pro Bowl. Are you saying that the latter measurement's fake and made up, or that Shawne purposefully made his body shorter during the measurement? Just to remind you, both Pro Bowl and Combine measurements are officially done by the NFL, so both are equally credible. And it would make no sense for the NFL to fabricate a fake measurement, or Shawne to purposefully make himself shorter in order to measure shorter, especially given that taller is better in a sport like football, especially with a position like Linebacker. If it's neither, then the only other possibility is that the Combine measurement listing had an error by 2 inches. And that's the one I go with.
In Barkley's case, he only had one documented measurement, and that's 6'4 5/8" at the 1992 Olympics. And the Olympics wouldn't just fabricate such a precise measurement. If Barkley was mentioned to be measured 6'5 5/8" in a separate article, then I could see a bit of a possibility for the 6'4 5/8" to be an error by an inch, but that's not the case at all. And the fact that he claimed to be 6'4.75" multiple times (although height claims should be taken with a pinch of salt), but it wouldn't make sense for him to downplay his height especially given that he's a basketball player. He also claimed 6'5.5", but that's a shoe height most likely.
And no matter how many times I tell you, you're still in denial that I mentioned the boyfriend thing a month later only to show your hypocrisy because you yourself brought up the fact that Canson called you a prostitute (which also happened quite long before you brought it up, so you have no room to critique me in bringing the boyfriend thing up a month later, hypocrite.) You're a lost cause, Andrea.
And you used Viper's 6'4" estimate for Boris as some type of proof that Boris' really 6'4", so yes, you do take what people here say as evidence. But only the ones that fit your narrative though. For example, you called Mr. R's estimates "unbelievable" just because you disagree when he met Boris and Wayne and said they're 6'3.25" and 6'0". We don't even know whether if Wayne was wearing lifts that could've made him appear 6'0" during the event which Mr. R met him. But it's certain that Boris' wasn't wearing lifts when Mr. R met him, since lifts would only make one taller, not shorter.
Canson said on 4/Jan/18
@Andrea: I didn’t say Rising has anything to do with Bobby. My point is you say Rising’s more reliable a poster only because his estimates align with yours. If his estimates didn’t coincide or support your stuff then i doubt you’d feel that way. As far as him being good with all of that stuff he is not perfect like you said. He has good ones and has some very questionable ones. Usually that is the case tho if you have one person off and compare multiple people the others are going to be off and it will be a chain reaction.
Canson said on 4/Jan/18
@Checker: that’s true because Cam wasn’t a true Senior given what happened at Florida when he was there under Urban Meyer behind Tebow with Cam and the Laptops so he was a junior when he left Auburn. As far as Pro Day and Combine I’ve seen it both ways. I’ve seen some pro days where they are taller or shorter (only by a hair) than the Combine. But see my one article below where in 2006 they were all measured nearly half inch taller than actual. Not sure if everyone was but most were and all four or five I mentioned were. I only brought up Cam because I’ve always wondered how tall he actually is. I can see him as 195cm more so than a full 6’5. I used to think 6’5. But if he measured that early he may not be. That could even make him 6’4.5 but I can see 195 as well as a friend of my cousin is 6’5 (have met him) and he said Cam was his height. He may have spotted half inch vs 1/4”. Cam also makes guys like Kapernick look that height. It’s also possible that the measurements aren’t always that early every year. If it’s 2 hours or more it’ll be a bit closer to actual. Maybe 1/4-3/8 above 1/4 ifits more than maybe 2-3 hours.but I respext a lot of what you say as a poster in terms of the Evidence you present as it is very relevant. Especially where you provided the estimate on Michael Sam on Rock’s page. That is logic in that a guy who is 6’2” isn’t necessarily too small for a DE. That was Sam’s biggest downfall (not his sexual orientation). His reality show didn’t help but it was after His lack of height as they said he was too short for a DE and at 6’1” that makes a lot more sense as there are many 6’3”ish DE’s in the league and if Sam stacked up to them as only about an inch shorter that wouldn’t be that big a deal. Sam next to Rock looks nothing over maybe 186cm imho
Canson said on 4/Jan/18
@Andrea: the entire reason this has dragged on as long as it has is because you don’t respect anyone’s opinions only yours. Case in point “you already told me that the pic with Shawne and Vernon Davis is a bad pic”. Ok that’s your opinion. You aren’t the only one who exists here. But there are multiple other pics that you obviously (as you accused Christian and me of doing) ignored. You didn’t mention anything about the pic with Vincent Jackson who is clearly 2” taller minimum or English or the other guys that Checker posted. And yes you did say way back in this debate like you mentioned about him seeing Boris as 6’4” and you did use that as a “reason” why others should believe he is 6’4”. It was very clear. The post is now gone so that’s the last I will mention because it’s gonna be yet another argument. But what Christian said below is absolutely corrrct had Checker/Viper not posted those pics or changed his estimate you wouldn’t have even brought up the part about taking his estimates with a grain of salt. And as far as you agreeing with Rising’s estimates over mine I can care less. You will take anyone’s estimates that support your argument or that fit it to make your points. I haven’t seen any evidence where Barkley looks well over 6’5” maybe a full 6’5” but his teammates coaches others in the league along with people who have met him know how tall he is better than you me Christian or Rising do so if it comes down to believing them vs you then that’s easy as well on my part. You don’t give anyone a reason to believe you or even listen when you deflect attention the way you do, make excuses and belittle. Such as claiming Foxx wears lifts or that some people stand on their tippytoes etc when there is no evidence and no im not talking about Padalecki. And you commenting on Barkley having a footwear advantage you were the one who said you aren’t an expert in shoes. That was back on 03 November 17. Go look if you don’t believe me. Oh But I forgot that was when Boris had the footwear advantage on Kobe so of course you play dumb there and don’t see it because it discredits your argument. Of course if that had been me, you would’ve accused me of lying as would be the same with Christian. You’d be accusing both of us of that if we don’t see the same thing. Yet with Barkley even tho you aren’t a shoe expert it’s the first thing you brought up as an excuse about the height difference trying to diminish it. So no need to say anything more about that. It’s very evident.

And as far as Rampage you have had more than one argument with him. You going into the arguments that Christian and I have gotten into with other posters, at this stage, is just another reason for you to continue to play “victim” which is what you are good at because you see that no one is siding with you or just agreeing with you and shutting up. Unfortunately this is an opinion based site so that isn’t gonna happen. It seems as if you are doing that to try to discredit us as posters rather than focusing on this debate or even worse trying to get people to step into to the argument to protect you or go against you so that you can use their comments against us to feel validated. It’s just like you going onto other pages such as Cena’s asking every poster in a very indirect way of Cena makes Boris look 6’4”? It’s very clear you’re “fishing” there. That’s why I say you don’t have a mind of your own. You don’t see Christian or me doing that. We stick to the subject. You presented your evidence and tried on your part but when we argued against it all you got very defensive, personal, and then attacked us. And accused us of doing what you did and do. Which is hypocritical.

As far as the comments about me calling you a prostitute that was after you called us boyfriends. Just because you say it wasn’t doesnt make it true. It again is anything you say is gospel and anything anyone else says is stupid or a lie if it isn’t consistent with your views. Of course you will take anything anyone says that supports anything you mentioned here such as Charles Barkley being above 6’5 etc. and now you’re saying that the measurement isn’t true?

My bad you did mention English and made an excuse for it yet some of your pics with Boris looking 6’4 supposedly are aligned the same in terms of layout but those are good pics?
checker said on 4/Jan/18
Rudy Gay's tweet about Merriman being 6'2 Click Here
Andrea said on 4/Jan/18
Even if Jared's feet weren't visible, you could have easily told that Jared was standing on his tiptoes. And I never jumped to conclusions. All I said is that in a picture like that you can't rule it out, considering that you seemed to consider it like the definite proof that Boris isn't more than 6'3. As for Jamie, I agree that he doesn't seem to wear lifts next to Jamie, but for some reason he looks noticeably taller than 5'9 there (or Jamie noticeably shorter than his 6'0.5 listing, depending on how you want to see it). Just like he does in that picture with Boris...
And the difference between Shawne and Barkley is that Shawne's measurement appeared on an official site, which is supposed to list MEASURED heights of NFL athletes, while Barkley' one is just a mention in an article, so I don't see how you can say that Barkley's was measured at 6'4 5/8. That being said, you can certainly say that Shawne's 6'4 3/8 is erroneous, but that's just your opinion. And people saying that Barkley is 6'4.5 or 6'4/6'5 certainly is not evidence. Again, who are these people? Have they met him in person? Do they have a good idea about height and how to gauge it in person? Once again, you take all of that for granted.
And I don't know how many times I have to remind you, but you didn't bring the boyfriends thing up to show my hypocrisy when I bashed Canson for calling me a prostitute. You did it way before that. In fact, it's really the opposite. I did bring the prostitute thing up just to show your hypocrisy when you started to accuse me of insulting you. How liar are you, LOL? As I said, I couldn't care less of that and I had never mentioned it before. The only reason why I brought it up was to show your hypocrisy when you decided to play the "I am good and you are bad" card. That's all. Unfortunately the post that "proves" it is no longer here, but I'm 100% you did it. I remember I was going to end the discussion and you started to play the victim by bringing that boyfriend thing up again after over one month from when I told you that. If you don't believe me or you think I'm making this up, you can ask Rob to retrieve the old comments (if he still has them)... And the reason why I bring up old stuff of you and Canson is to show your hypocrisy, certainly not to play the victim like you did with that boyfriend thing.
P.S. Once again, you jump to conclusions. I NEVER take what random people on here say as gospel (or as some kind of evidence). Just because you're used to do it doesn't mean that everybody must do the same. Especially if these people are Viper... Same thing for Mr. R. He has given some unbelievable estimates in the past (and I already remarked it way before this discussion), but I respect him and I think he's a lot more truthful in what he says than many people on here. Mr. R also said that Wayne Brady is a "full blown 6 foot" in person, but I still think that he's 5'11 MAX. If I really wanted to "make" Boris as tall as at least 6'4 (or over in this case), I would have taken that estimate as gospel as well. In fact Wayne at 6' would put Boris at over 6'5. I didn't, though. I didn't because, from what I've seen, Wayne doesn't look over 5'11 to me and I wouldn't be surprised if he dipped a fraction under it.
Andrea said on 3/Jan/18
Canson, for the last time, I've never insulted anyone on here. You did it a lot, though. Not only with me. You mentioned 6'3, bobby and Rampage. All I said to 6'3 (that, at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if turned out to be Viper, under one of his many names) and bobby was calling their estimates bad estimates. Where are the insults? As for Rampage, I honestly don't remember if I've ever "insulted" him, but again go take a look at those pages where I had discussions with him and see who made things personal. As I said, I don't regret anything I've said to him. So stop saying I insult people and accusing me of things you're guilty of. Again, your comments speak for themselves. You are one of the most toxic posters on here and most of the time it happens just because you can't accept that people disagree with you.
And yeah, I did mention Viper in the past when he said that Boris looked at least 6'4 next to Magic. Not as some kind of proof (I certainly don't need it), but to show that even a guy like him who certainly has no hidden agenda in making someone taller than he is, given that he's very well known on here for downgrading everybody by at least 1-2 inches, thought that Boris looked at least 6'4 next to Magic. That's all. Let's not forget that Viper is the same guy who insists that a guy like Michael Irvin, that you said you met and looked around 6'2 in person, is no more than 6'...
As for Shawne, I don't see how you can still say that he looks no taller than Larry English, when he actually looks comfortably taller than him. And it's funny how you basically disregarded every picture I have posted (which is typical of you) because in your mind Shawne already is no more than 6'2 range. What about Vernon Davis? I know that you or Christian posted that photo of him with Shawne which, in your opinion, was the definite proof that Shawne can't be over 6'2. If you remember well, I said that that picture with Vernon was quite bad and really proved nothing, considering that it was being shot from a very bad angle and that there was even some tilt in Vernon's favour. Of course, given that you seem to have no clue about things like camera angles and camera advantages, you probably thought/think that it's just an excuse, like you always do... It would certainly be interesting to find a good photo of them together though, considering that you said that you met Vernon and that he looked a decent 6'3 in person... Oh wait, look what I just found: Click Here :) Now, if Shawne really was as low as 6'2, that would make Vernon a weak 6'2. And I dare you to deny it (even though, with you, you never know)... Again, look at him with listed 6'4.5 Armie Hammer: Click Here As I said, somewhere between 6'3 and 6'4 is quite possible for Shawne and maybe he got measured around that 6'4 3/8 mark very early in the morning and maybe with a bust a gut measurement, kinda similar to how Pique, who I think could be closer to 192 at his low, managed to measure almost 195 once.
And what has Rising to do with bobby? You have this habit of making comparisons between things that have nothing to do with each other. Speaking of Bobby, the thing I accused you of was taking everything he says for granted (both the fact that he really met the celebrities he says he met and the fact that his estimates are 100% correct). And you seem to do that a lot on here (of course only when what they say is fine for you). As I said, first of all, people make up all kind of stories on the internet, especially on this site. So I would always take what they say on here with a large pinch of salt. And even if they're telling the truth (which doesn't happen as often as you'd think), this doesn't necessarily mean that their estimates are perfect. Not everybody is as good as Rob when it comes to guessing heights in person. As for Rising, I don't think he's ever met any celebrity. All I said was that, IMO, Rising is one of the best posters on here. He doesn't post things with bias, but only facts. And he has a very good knowledge about height differences, camera tricks, etc. Unlike someone else... Sure, he may not be a perfect poster like you say (nobody is), but there are good and bad posters. Many posters on here (that I won't name because I don't want to start new fights) are just big jokes to me. Only a small percentage of them are truly valuable, IMO. Rising certainly is one of them. And, as I said, he made some very good points on Charles's page for which Charles can often look over 6'5, whether you like it or not. I myself haven't seen that much of Charles, to be fair, but if it's your opinion against Rising's, I'm certainly gonna go with the latter one with my eyes closed.
Canson said on 3/Jan/18
@Checker: he’s clearly shorter than Both guys. The most I can buy for Merriman is 6’2 1/4 probably at his low but can look a classic 6’2 as well
Canson said on 3/Jan/18
@Christian: I agree and he also said Viper was both Free and checker. I know He’s Checker for a fact but Viper never denied it when Thereel and Vegas and Rob or anyone else called him Viper when he posted as Checker so don’t think he’s hiding it. But I think he gets a bad rep because people think he downgrades but to be honest I have more respect for him than many other posters because he backs up his claims with evidence where as many others here will just use pre draft claims and inflate others accordingly such as Charles Barkley or someone else to make someone say Dwayne Wade or the Rock or another celeb to be taller than they actually are. My only point to Andrea was that he initially said that “even Viper says Boris looks 6’4” whereas now VIPER as Checker says he’s 6’3 at best and now the claim must be taken with a grain of salt. So everything you said I completely agree with.
checker said on 3/Jan/18
Tim Tebow only looks 6'0 with 6'3.3 senior bowl measured Marcus Spears Click Here

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Marcus Spears certaintly looks taller with him than 6'2 Merriman does.

Canson, Cam Newton never went to the senior bowl. Senior bowl measurements are usually the shortest, and pro day measurements are usually the highest, with combine measurements in the middle.
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 2/Jan/18
@Canson

Andrea just likes to pick and choose people's comments that fits his narrative. I guarantee you that if Viper said he sees Boris as 6'3", Andrea would've bashed him and said that he downgraded yet another celeb. And if someone like Cheker or Free or various posters said that Shawne looked 6'3"-6'4" in person, he would've took it as gospel. But because they said Shawe's 6'2", they should be "taken with a large pich of salt" according to Andrea. And if Mr. R said that Boris looked 6'4" in person, Andrea would've took it as gospel as well. But because Mr. R said that Boris was no higher than 6'3.25", his estimate was "unbelievable" according to Andrea.
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 2/Jan/18
@Andrea

You may make a good point, but the difference between Momoa and Padalecki is that there's proof Padalecki stood on his tiptoes because his feet are visible, while Momoa's aren't. So unless there's visible proof, I wouldn't jump to conclusions. Same goes with Jamie's pics. Unless there's another pic with Boris where his feet are shown and look like he wore lifts, I'll assume that he didn't wear them. And he has nothing to gain by wearing lifts next to a much taller guy like Boris, because he'll still be towered over regardless. It would make much more sense for him to wear them next to someone like Tatum who's only a few inches taller. And if he didn't even wear lifts next to Tatum, what are the chances of him wearing lifts next to Boris? Plus, he doesn't have a reputation of being a lift/elevator wearer, unlike guys like Tom Cruise, Robert Downey and Vin Diesel.
And Shawne's 6'4 3/8" measurement isn't any more credible or official than Barkley's 6'4 5/8". In fact, the NFL sometimes makes errors. I know a lot of players whose listing on their Couchscout are lower than Nfldraftscout. For example, Aaron Rodgers is listed 6'2" on Nfldraftscout Click Here but listed 6'1.5" on Couchscout Click Here and the 6'1.5" makes more sense since he looks no higher than than that next to everyone. But Barkley looks his 6'4 5/8" plus people say he's 6'4.5" or 6'4"/6'5" so I have no reason to doubt that measurement. And athletes can sometimes look taller than their measurements, like how Barkley can at times look 6'5"+, or how Shawne can at times look 6'3"-6'4" like the pics you provided, but that still doesn't negate their measurements.
And I don't know how many times I have to remind you, but I only brought it up a month later to show your hypocrisy when you got personal against Canson after he joked about you being a prostitute. And you still bring up stuff about Canson and I that happened like a half a year ago, such as when we argued with other posters in the past, so why is it that I'm not allowed to bring up stuff that happened only a month prior? Seems like you're playing the biggest victim here when you're so concered about our past so much.
Canson said on 2/Jan/18
@Checker: this article confirms at least in 2006 draft that the measurements were in the 6am hour which explains why they’re 1/2” or cm for some taller. Which makes sense as some will have lost Maybe 1/4” or so just from waking and going to take the drug test and that’s assuming the senior bowl measurements are a normal low but we can say they are close enough as most would likely only dip 1/8”

Click Here
Canson said on 2/Jan/18
Checker: seeing this there appears to be a cm to 0.6” difference between every player’s pro day and combine heights

Charley whitehurst 6’4.75/6’4.2
Jay Cutler 6’3.25/6’2.7
Marcedes Lewis 6’6 3/8 6’5.7
Nick Mangold 6’3 5/8 6’3.2
Deangelo Williams 5’9/ 5’8.4

These are just a few but it shows that they are either morning measurements or have been slightly inflated. There’s no way that all of these players grew half inch.

You’re from the DC area so you may be familiar with Chris Cooley’s show that he has on ESPN 980. He mentioned once that people’s heights are usually half inch taller than actual at the combine (didn’t mention anything about Pro Day disparity) but mentioned that they are measured half inch taller. However in regards to Merriman that is a pure discrepancy there as it’s 2 full inches above his Pro Day listing. I also remember reading an article about Joe Flacco where it said he stopped growing “just shy of 6’6”. That would make him 6’5 7/8 or 3/4. Someone who has met him said he’s 6’5/6’6 in person
checker said on 2/Jan/18
Found the Rudy Gay 6'2 quote at Merriman Click Here
Canson said on 2/Jan/18
@Checker: what did Cam Newton measure at the senior bowl? Some of the guys here measure apparently half inch below whereas others are within a fraction or so.
Canson said on 2/Jan/18
Good point Checker. He is no taller than Larry English. Merriman is 6’2 plain and simple. He’s clearly shorter than Vernon Davis who is for sure 6’3” in person like his combine measurement States.
checker said on 2/Jan/18
Andrea, the NFL officially documented Merriman measuring 6'2 at his pro day. Click Here

Just give it up.

Oh yeah, here he is on draft day Click Here next to 6'2.6 Luis Castillo and 6'4.3 senior bowl measured Vincent Jackson Click Here
checker said on 2/Jan/18
Better photo of 6'2 Merriman with 6'2 Larry English. Click Here

They look roughly the same height with Merriman having a footwear advantage Id say.
Canson said on 2/Jan/18
@Andrea: weren’t you the one who said “even Viper sees Boris as 6’4” a while back? And you prefaced that by saying he usually downgraded people In the past? And used that is more “possible evidence” that he is since Viper is used to downgrading people. I mean you said it early on and Christian and I both remember that. Yet now you’re saying we should take his estimates with a large grain of salt? Yet his measurement for Merriman is not an estimate that’s his pro day measurement. Not to mention had a pro basketball player refer to him as 6’2”?
checker said on 2/Jan/18
Some years ago on Rudy Gay's twitter 6'7 Rudy Gay tweeted to Merriman that "You play basketball like a 6'2 Jermaine Oneal".
checker said on 2/Jan/18
Kamerion Wimbley was measured at 6'3.3 at the senior bowl Click Here, and easily had an inch over 6'2 Merriman on that MTV show.

6'2 Merriman face to face with 5'11.5 Rampage Jackson. Click Here I dont even think Merriman looks a full 6'2 there.

When you are 6'2 like him you are going to look 6'1 sometimes and 6'3 sometimes in pics.
checker said on 1/Jan/18
Merriman with 6'5.5 Omar Benson. Click Here

Omar looks a good inch, maybe even more compared to Barkley.
checker said on 1/Jan/18
6'2 Merriman with 6'4 5/8 Barkley adds up Click Here

Compare it to Merriman with 6'5.1 Nelson Rosario Click Here

Merriman with 6'5.5 Click Here
Canson said on 1/Jan/18
@Andrea: I think Rising is a good poster too. However, his estimates on all of the basketball players and based largely off of a draft measurement. Some are accurate others aren’t. Take Dwayne Wade. He’s not 6’3.75. Look at him with Carmelo or Kobe. And That’s the case with a lot of people here and when Barkley makes them look shorter they automatically upgrade him when he’s not only been measured 6’4 5/8 but all of his teammates say the height that he is.

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Not to mention Moses Malone and Dr J have both said he’s 6’4”

But if you’re going to say he’s a credible or reliable poster that’s again an opinion that you are making a fact. There’s no such thing as a perfect poster. You say that Bobby3342 isn’t a reliable one in your opinion whereas in mine he is a credible and reliable poster as his estimates on who he has met all add up. So everything you say is a matter of opinion not fact. It seems as if you are doing the same thing you accused me of with Bobby3342 where I go off estimates that I like and ignore the ones I don’t. you are doing the same in my opinion.
Canson said on 31/Dec/17
Sorry Andrea but read my post from 12/29. That essentially sums this all up for you. And you saying you don’t insult people. You’ve insulted Christian Rampage Bobby 6’3” and me. So you’re a liar if you’re gonna tell us that we are. You wanna call someone a liar for not seeing the same height difference as you. I honestly believe that you believe your own lies or don’t believe you are lying yet people who disagree with you are Lying
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 30/Dec/17
@Andrea

Jason would had no reason to have stood on his tiptoes because he already towered over everyone in the photo and no one was close to his height so he had no reason to make himself look taller. It would be much more sensible for David to have worn elevator shoes or lifts, although I doubt that was the case. Please use common sense. And Jamie didn't wear lifts with Tatum, because as you can see in these pics, Jamie's feet don't look bulky or sitting on a weird high angle. They look normal just like any person's would without the use of lifts Click Here Click Here Click Here This pic favors Jamie somewhat but his shoes look normal Click Here He would've needed to wear about 2.5" thick lifts or 3.5" amount of footwear if you say that he wore them, which just isn't the case because if he wore them, his feet would've looked similar to how Rob's in his 3.8" shoes would look Click Here And if you can't tell how tall Boris would've looked if White and The Game had equal advantage, then you have no room to critique those pics as bad and "prove nothing". Btw, Boris looks about 6'2.5" next to 5'8" listed Usher with no camera differences Click Here but I guess Usher's standing on his toes too, right? LOL
And you took Shawne's 6'4 3/8" "measurement" for granted by saying that was his morning height and drop down to weak 6'4" at his lowest. Because after all, you believe his measurement to be legit. He looks about 6'2" next to measured athletes as well, not just 6'3"-6'4". And like I said, if he was really 6'3"-6'4", then he wouldn't have been mistaken for 6'2" when various people met him. And Barkley can't be anymore than his measured 6'4 5/8". It's ridiculous to estimate him at 6'5"+ knowing he was measured 6'4 5/8". It's just like how some people inflate Rob to 5'8.5" despite him measuring 5'8 1/8". I like Rising as a poster but he's wrong on this one.
And if me bringing up the boyfriend thing up was way before that, then when was it? If you can't answer it, then don't jump to conclusions like that if you have no evidence. And I've said it before that I'm not perfect, I admit that I have some faults. But it's not me playing the victim card or anything. You on the other hand though, have too much ego to admit your faults. For example, you couldn't even acknowlege that you misunderstood certain things, while I did it mutliple times.
Anonymous said on 30/Dec/17
See what I'm talking about, Christian: Click Here In that picture you have posted Michael Jai White is standing noticeably closer to the camera AND the camera also is pretty low, which makes a huge difference. In this picture the camera is higher and you can see how things change. It is still not an "ideal" picture, but I'm not sure that Boris really would look 6'3 at most like you say (assuming that Michael is as tall as his 6'0.5 listing), especially considering that Boris seems to be leaning a bit there. It's as if we only had this picture of John Cena with Boris, where John has a big camera advantage over Boris: Click Here Although I would never use a picture like that, you would probably think that Boris doesn't look over 6'3 next to John. BUT if you look at them in a picture like this Click Here where nobody has any camera advantage, Boris looks at least 6'4 and actually even a bit more than that if John really is taller than his 6' claim...
Andrea said on 29/Dec/17
Assumptions, Christian? That's the only explanation that makes sense in that photo with Jason because there is no way that Jason really is that much taller than David. As for Jamie Foxx, I just said that MAYBE he wears lifts because there is no way that he holds his own so well next to Boris. And I even posted a few pictures with Channing Tatum showing that he can look taller than his 5'9 listing, considering that he can make Channing look no more than 5'10-5'11 in more than one picture. But yeah, this certainly doesn't necessarily mean that Jamie wears lifts and I never said he does for sure. You're right about one thing, though. We can't see their feet in that picture with Jamie. It's not surprising, in fact, that in the other picture I have posted, where you CAN see their feet, Boris looks comfortably taller than that and easily around 6'4 next to the same Jamie. And how can I tell how tall Boris would look if White and The Game didn't have any camera advantage, Christian? Certainly noticeably taller than how he looks there, but it's impossible to tell how much...
And again, I never took Shawne's 6'4 3/8 measurement for granted and, after looking at him with other celebrities, I'm sure you remember that I agreed that he didn't look as tall as that. That being said, he can look more 6'3-6'4 than 6'2 with those measured athletes I have posted and with the same Boris, so I'm not so sure he really is as short as 6'2.4 (be it 6'2 4/8 or 6'2 3/8, which doesn't really make much difference, although I'm still not sure that those heights are really listed in 1/10 inches, which just complicates things). And the only reason why I say that Charles Barkley doesn't look under his 6'4.75 is because he doesn't look under that in the few photos I've seen of him. Besides the fact that, having a look at his page, Rising (who is one of the most credible and objective visitors on here) made some very good points in the past for which Charles can often look over 6'5 more than under it...
And stop lying. You didn't bring the boyfriends thing up to show my hypocrisy when I bashed Canson for calling me a prostitute. You did it way before that. In fact, it's really the opposite. I did bring the prostitute thing up just to show your hypocrisy when you started to accuse me of insulting you. How liar are you, LOL? As I said, I couldn't care less of that and I had never mentioned it before. The only reason why I brought it up was to show your hypocrisy when you decided to play the "I am good and you are bad" card. That's all.
Andrea said on 29/Dec/17
Canson, you are a broken record. I've never insulted anyone. At most I may have said that that this or that estimate is a bad one, but I don't see how it can be an insult. You, on the other hand, really have insulted many people on here. And Rampage says that I make things personal? Then it must be true, LOL. Go take a look at those pages where I had discussions with him and see who made things personal. No wonder that you get along so well with him, LMFAO.
Canson said on 29/Dec/17
@Andrea: it’s funny that you are bringing some of these things up about how I “insult people” or how Christian does this or that now that there is more proof and occurrences that Boris isn’t 6’4” like you believe or because your foolish comments such as Jamie Fox wearing lifts or someone standing on their tippy toes or having a camera advantage or footwear or other excuse have come to light. Fact is none of us know but these are our opinions. We respected your opinion until you began to say some of this stuff to us and forcing your beliefs on us. Like telling me “if after all of these pictures you still don’t believe then I give up”. That was better left unsaid. Bottom line tho don’t continue saying someone can’t estimate heights or bashing them for no reason just because you don’t have a response. That’s clearly what you are doing with both of us now. Anytime you don’t like what someone has to say or it weakens or contradicts your points or beliefs, you resort to some sort of attack on your part. Or you make an excuse that someone doesn’t know how to estimate or lies about height differences. Well you accusing someone of standing on tip toes or wearing lifts isn’t lying?????? There is no proof that they are so it must be?? Well you don’t think it is so maybe not? Bottom line just because I say something is a 4” diff vs 5” doesn’t mean it’s a lie it’s that we see it differently just like you saying to Christian and me that someone has an advantage or disadvantage isnt a lie to you but to us it doesn’t appear that way. Like Christian said before we don’t see everything your way. We don’t agree on everything you do. Just because we don’t doesn’t mean we are wrong and don’t say you aren’t doing that because you clearly are. And it could be the clearest of things not in your favor and you plead ignorance or claim it doesn’t exist. Such as you saying that there is a 3cm diff with Kobe and Boris. That isn’t a fact that’s your opinion. Like you say there’s 1.5” with Fox. That’s not a fact that’s your opinion but because we don’t agree with you we are wrong. However with the advantage Boris has on Brady im all of a sudden lying? I can say you are about either of the two but I choose not to so don’t accuse someone of lying because they don’t agree with you.

And no don’t say because Rob says something is this that it is gospel. If rob has no pic with the celeb it’s not a fact even if he does he could be off. I call Rob your master because you always run to him for reassurance on your estimates. You don’t see Christian or I doing that do you? And you even took it further than that on John Cena’s page commenting and hoping someone would tell you that Boris is 6’4” basically beating around the bush to get an answer to reassure yourself he is. This was just recent so those posts are clear as day. Again you don’t see Christian or I doing that. And then you use past disagreements on other pages such as saying Christian accused someone of making a celeb taller because they like them or my or his disagreements we’ve gotten into with other posters hoping you can get the person one of us disagreed with or other posters here to side with you. That’s clear that you’re doing that because you are desperate at this point. You wouldn’t be in this situation had this been a civil debate and you not started making things personal like you did. You can say you’re Joking about calling us boyfriends etc but you obviously got offended by being called a prostitute so even tho I was obviously joking because I don’t know you, you didn’t take it that way. Since you just like you accused Christian of brought this up over a month after it was said. That is exactly wht you do. You accuse others of doing what you do and then sweep it under the mat and try to deflect the attention off of you.

And you saying I turn something personal you have done the same. How is telling someone “Your Bad English, you mean your bad estimate” (this is what you actually said to 6’3” below so don’t try to hide that now because the post may or may not still exist) or bashing Bobby the way you did saying he can’t estimate height or even Moe how you said he lost credibility or of course Rampage on Kiernney’s page, not insulting someone? Or how is telling Christian and me that we cannot estimate height not insulting. How about just saying you don’t agree wth our estimates and move on.

And Sure I retaliated against Moe the way I did but because he insulted me first repeatedly and while I probably shouldn’t have I did so that’s that. I didn’t get into your disagreement with Rampage that you had and no don’t tell me that it was better or worse. Doesn’t matter. You have no room to critique me or Christian about criticizing people because you insult and criticize and take things personal in almost every post. It’s just that to “you” it doesn’t feel or appear that way or you don’t believe it is yet when Christian and I challenge you you are clearly getting offended. I mean you called us boyfriends and said that it’s “cringeworthy” that we agree on most. Why does that matter to you whether we agree? If you have to comment on something like that it obviously means that it bothers you. Just like me calling you a prostitute bothered you. Ok. You say that Christian doesn’t have thick skin yet you seeing us agreeing on most either bothers you or you are bringing it up because you feel that you are being ganged up on or that nobody is taking your side. You obviously don’t have thick skin either if you’re accusing him of that too. Although him bringing it up is just to show you how you act not him dwelling. He’s showing the origin of this that is it. It very obviously and very well appears that way as you resort to having to find other posts where I attacked or he at
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 28/Dec/17
@Andrea

All I'm saying is don't make assumptions unless there's visible proof. You did the same thing when you assumed that Jamie Foxx was perhaps wearing lifts in that photo with Boris. We can't see their feet in either pic. And if you think you're such an expert at estimating camera differences, how tall do you think Boris would've looked next to White and The Game if they all had equal camera advantage? I'd like for you to answer that. My opinion is that Boris would look at most around 6'3".
And quit lying. Yes you did take Shawne's 6'4" 3/8" measurement for granted. Had it not been for Checker posting that link of Shawne's 6'2.4" measurement, you would've still believed his 6'4 3/8" measurement was legit and believed it was just an early measurement (and you still do apparently). And you're also being a hypocrite, because you make it seem like the fact that I take Barkley's 6'4 5/8" as granted is wrong, yet it's ok for you to take Shawne's 6'4 3/8". The difference between the two, is that there's no article or document of Barkley measuring anything other than 6'4 5/8", while Shawne has 2 different measurements. Yet you say that Barkley's no shorter than 6'4.75" just because Rob lists him as that. Barkley's alleged measurement of 6'4 5/8" is sensible because people who met him say he's 6'4.5" or 6'4"-6'5", while Shawne's alleged 6'4 3/8" measurement makes no sense because people who met him say he's about 6'2". This is one of the reasons why I believe his 6'2.4" measurement was legit and the 6'4 3/8" one was an error. And 6'2.4" means 6'2 3/8", because if you convert 6'2.4" to cm, it's 188.976 which is very close to 6'2.375" which is 188.912, and 6'2 3/8" would obviously be rounded to 6'2.4" since the players are listed as 10th of an inch on that document. And reasonable or not, facts are facts. Players on that document were listed as 10th of an inch. Shawne was listed 6'2 3/8" whether you like it or not.
And about the accusation of people wanting celebs to be taller thing, while it wasn't the best accusation to make, I don't do that to everyone I disagree with. I only did it to a few people. It's not fair for you to say that I do it to everyone, just like it's not fair for me to say that you call everyone who disagrees with you who "back each other up" as boyfriends, which I don't. And I keep telling you that the only reason why I bring it up is not me being offended by it, but rather to show your hypocrisy when you bashed Canson for calling you a prostitute. It would be dumb for me to claim that because several times you brought up the fact that I said you want celebs to be taller, it means because you were offended by it. It's the same logic you're using.
Canson said on 28/Dec/17
@Andrea: it sounds like you are making an excuse about Merriman’s measurement now. Just another one in the long line you have made. How can you not “see” him as low as 6’2.4 but you can possibly see him at 6’2.5? Like any of us can really see .1” difference in a person. That is what he measured at his pro day so that’s what he is. And you did use the 6’4” measurement as proof to make Boris 6’4”. Sure maybe you don’t believe he looks 6’4 3/8 but you saying about 6’4” when he was measured well under that amount just shows your tendency to make excuses here as usual. As far as Barkley it is not alleged that’s what he actually measured at the olympics in 1992. Once again 6’4.75 is a 1/4” increment which is how the NBA lists there measurements. Either way if he’s really 6’4.75 at his lowest then it makes Boris no higher than 6’3. Your claiming he’s got a thicker shoe is another excuse just in the long line that you have such as accusing someone of standing on their tiptoes and accusing Jamie Foxx of wearing lifts. And you having to resort to finding posts or change the subject on someone like you do to try to attack character just shows your lack of character or your ability to be able to be able to debate. As far as footwear I don’t see how Barkley’s footwear looks any thicker than Boris’s yet you can tell for some reason a boot-like shoe doesn’t look any different than a canvas shoe lol?
Canson said on 28/Dec/17
@Andrea: if you want to say I insulted someone at least get facts straight first. It’s very convenient that you only add where I insulted Moe not where he insulted me first. Yes you chose where I retaliated against someone not where they insulted me first which is about the only way that you can even remotely try to be successful at making someone look bad. And you don’t want to go there with me as far as insults because again look at what you said to 6’3” about his estimates as well as Rampage. And making things personal? Rampage said it best you make everything personal. So really you’re the pot calling the kettle black. You deflect attention away from what you do onto other people and are a hypocrite because you do the exact same thing.
Canson said on 28/Dec/17
@Christian: you’re right 6’2.4 is 6’2 3/8. That would read 6023 for example. I looked up Terrell Suggs measurement in the same database Checker used and his pre drafty is 6033 and says here 6’03.4 so 6’3 3/8. Apropos of little I met Suggs when he first came in the league maybe around 2005 or so and He looked about an inch shorter than me. No shorter than Vernon Davis but could’ve edged him honestly. It’s tough to say since they’re that close

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Andrea said on 27/Dec/17
No footwear difference or "camera lens" would explain how David Benioff can look so short there, Christian. Higher ground level? That's not impossible, but Jason isn't standing much further away than David and if you look at D.B. Weiss, the way he looks there is pretty much consistent with how he generally looks next to the same David in every photo, which leads me to believe that there is no ground difference there and that Jason is probably standing on his tip toes in that photo. Of course that's not a fact, but that's the way I "explain" that picture because there is no way David would be that short, after looking at him in other pictures with other celebrities... As for Michael Jai White, he does have a huge camera advantage there. He's standing a lot closer to the camera and the camera seems pretty low, which makes a huge difference, in case you don't know. Same thing with The Game. Sure, you can say he's losing a bit of height by tilting his head to the side and having his legs wide apart, but again he has a noticeable camera advantage over Boris, which makes it impossible to tell the real difference between them there.
As for Shawne, I never took his 6'4 3/8 measurement for granted, which, in any case, never turned out to be erroneous by the way. Although I certainly do agree that he doesn't look as tall as 6'4 3/8, I'm not sure he really is as low as 6-2.4. Just like I'm not so sure that 6-2.4 really means 6'2.4. What kind of measurement is 6'2.4? You're right that there are actually a few x.8 and even a x.9 listing, but it seems more reasonable to list those heights in 1/8 inches rather than to list them that way (remember that heights are divided in 1/8 inches and not in 1/10 inches on the stadiometers).
And you say that calling you and Canson boyfriends was childish? What about "accusing" people of wanting celebrities taller than they are just because they don't agree with you? Isn't that childish as well? You did it with me (even before this discussion, on Michael Rosenbaum's page) and you do it with everyone else who disagrees with your estimates. Not that I took offence from it of course, but it was childish for you to say something like that. Besides the fact that I already explained you why I called you that way and that there was nothing personal in that remark. It was just a mere joke based on the fact that you and Canson seem to get along so well with each other and that you are not able to have a discussion on your own without bringing up the other one. And I still think it. The way you constantly back each other up on every page is truly cringeworthy! You say that you didn't take offence from it, but the fact that you brought it up again after over one month makes me think that that's not really the case and that you really don't have that thick skin you love talking about. At all.
Andrea said on 27/Dec/17
Charles' footwear has nothing to do with Kobe's. Boris' footwear doesn't look much different than Kobe's, while in that picture with Charles it looks at least a 1/4 inch less than Charles'... And Christian said it right. Charles was ALLEGEDLY measured at 6'4 5/8. It is certainly not a fact or something (like it can be for people like Zlatan or those drafted athletes)...
And do you even know what an insult is? Since you brought 6'3 and the same moe up... All I said to 6'3 was calling his estimate a bad estimate and all I said to moe was "moe, no offence, but you already loose credibility when you say Tom is 6'2, when he is CLEARLY than 6'2 range guys!". Where are the insults? LOL You, on the other hand, really insulted him and got very personal (like you often do on this site):
"Canson said on 6/Nov/17
@Moe: and I’m not 5’6” nor do I get jealous of guys who are taller than me. You still mad because I don’t believe your boyfriend Thaler is 6’6”? And I lash out at you because you are a loser troll who wastes time and energy denigrating the opinions of others like Rampage said about you. I don’t give a crap what height he claims. The Rock “claims” 6’5 and there is plenty of evidence that he isn’t over 6’2-6’2.5. So there you go. And I have plenty to base my opinion off of. Theler claims he only wears flat shoes. If you see any pic of him he has huge heeled shoes on. So there goes that claim. And I don’t believe you didn’t get fired because if you are a sorry poster and person like you are here and act the way you do I really can’t see anyone hiring or wanting to have you work for them. Anyone who disagrees with you is “wrong”. That’s where this all started because I didn’t agree that your “boy” theler is really 6’6” just because he claimed it. The same way that you also claim Tim Robbins is “almost 6’6” when he’s shorter than Howard Stern and claimed 6’4.5. IF you are as bad with your job in show biz as you are with estimating height and with your people skills it makes perfect sense why you are an unemployed troll like you are. But it’s ok Moe. They have support groups for people like you who like to belittle people because they don’t agree with your bs"
This is the difference between me and you...
What about this one?
"Canson said on 23/Oct/17
@TheReel: well you’re the one who first of all blasted SJH and then started saying someone is a bad person because you feel he “lied” to a terminally ill patient all because you feel he’s 6’5.75 and that he said and was measured by his wife at 6’4.75. I don’t think his wife is that dumb at least not as dumb as you. So who’s ignorant now. Someone who has never met the man saying he lies to terminally ill patients like you do? That is beyond ignorant and stupid to even say something like that about someone you don’t know. And I can care less about Kobe’s extra marital affairs. That is his business. You base your estimates for height off whether you like someone it appears which shows you’re biased. And yes I am happily married. No need to go there because I highly doubt anyone would even touch your dumbass not even a prostitute. So yes me making a comment like this to you was well warranted when you one go and attack SJH like you did and then go and make a comment about Kobe “lying to a terminally ill patient like that”. You’re a ****ing piece of ****. Why don’t you go to see a therapist."
And these are just two of the many insulting and trash-talking comments you are used to make. As I said, the list is pretty long...
Btw, the only one who has "sunken himself" (and constantly does) on here is you. The funny thing? You don't even realize it. As I said, your comments speak for themselves and tell a lot about your character and your credibility on here. I think there's nothing to add...
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 25/Dec/17
@Andrea

We don't know Momoa's footwear, or whether he was standing on higher ground level, or whether the camera lens was accentuating his height. Don't just assume and jump to conclusions that he was probably standing on his tiptoes. And "some" doesn't mean "little". I never said that Michael Jai White only have a little advantage. Just not as much as you make it out to be. And The Game's losing a bit of height by tilting his head to the side and having his legs wide apart, but you conveniently ignore those.
And you took Shawne Merriman's 6'4 3/8" measurement for granted, which turned out to be erroneous by the way. And you tried to use that pic with him and Boris to show that Boris is 6'4" range, but it turned out that Shawne was actually measured 6'2 3/8" (btw 6'2.4" doesn't mean 6'2 4/8" because I've seen players measured x'x.8" and x'x.9" e.g. #20 Chris Davis at 5'9.8" and #27 Steve Williams at 5'8.9" and there's no such thing as 5'9 8/8" because that'll just be 5'10" and no such thing as 5'8 9/8" either Click Here ) so that means Shawe's listing had an error by 2 inches, so you were wrong when you told Rob that Shawne was measured 6'2 4/8" And this is proof that Chris Davis was measured 5'9 7/8" Click Here and Steve Williams 5'8 7/8" Click Here And it also goes to show you that x'x.8" and x'x.9" are the same value when it comes to nfldraftscout because both are xxx7 which means x'x 7/8"
But back to the subject, it was childish for you to say something like that, not that I took offense from it of course. And I started to "trash talk" only because you did it to me first, all because of a simple disagreement over the height of Boris. It started with you and Canson arguing, and as soon as I stepped in and supported Canson's theory of Boris being 6'3", you started to trash talk to me and referred to me as his boyfriend. I didn't really say anything negative towards you before then. You're the one who escalated the situation. We could've had a peaceful debate about Boris' height but you turned it personal.
Canson said on 23/Dec/17
@Christian: honestly after the last post from Andrea I don’t know what else to say. Why would the NBA purposely “undermeasure someone at 6’4 5/8”? A sport that is known for inflating people just like in Wrestling lol
Canson said on 23/Dec/17
@Andrea: if you would like to bring up every visitor who I’ve insulted because they don’t agree with me go right ahead. You were the one below who initiated that comment to me about it and I just responded back saying that you do the same. I don’t care if I’ve insulted 14 people and you only 12. If you do it at all you really have no room to critique me about it. That’s called being a hypocrite if you don’t know and I can easily find instances where you insult people even before they even explain themselves like you did with Rampage and 6’3 both. Not to mention since you brought this up, the whole thing with Moe. You actually insulted him before I did. Go look at the posts. I very clearly insulted him back because he insulted me first. I didn’t agree with his estimate so I became a “loser” and he responds back hostily to me for no reason. And if you look closely enough there I clearly defended you and Joe after he insulted me. Go look at that page. Also Go look at the thread he insulted Bobby and me and that is why i responded like I did. Don’t try to bring that up now just because you have clearly “sunken yourself” and look like a fool and have lost the argument because it is exactly what you are doing just like you did when you tried to turn Christian and me against each other. You have some ways about you.

And I own what I do. I usually only insult if I’m insulted first or when it is a ridiculous argument someone is making. Typically tho it’s when someone insults me first because I don’t agree with them. It’s just that my insults back are a bit sharper so I get accused of that automatically which I admit I need to stop responding that way to some but I just don’t tolerate stupidity with some people. And You don’t want to go there with me because I can bring up much more about you. You’re clearly a hypocrite. I mean Rampage for one then this guy below 6’3 on this page you insulted him very clearly without even knowing him. You didn’t say “well I respectfully disagree” you clearly said “your bad estimate, you mean your bad English” you mean “bad estimate”. That’s an insult. Not to mention the Moe thing
Canson said on 23/Dec/17
@Andrea: I can’t go a single discussion without bringing up Christian you say? You can’t go a single discussion when responding to one of us without bringing up the other. Seriously nobody here takes anything you say seriously anymore. You are just blowing hot air at this point.

Seriously about the shoes now. You’ve dug yourself deep into quick sand. You’re now thinking you’re “qualified” to discuss shoes when you can’t even tell that Boris has a footwear advantage on Kobe in their pics yet you are quick to point out this footwear advantage on Boris that Barkley has. As far as your response to Christian about Barkley’s measured height that is what he measured at the Olympics in 1992 and most who meet him say he’s 6’4 range so possible he’s even 6’4 1/2 at a low. But since you said it about why does he believe Barkley’s measurement of 6’4 5/8? It’s common sense. Number one he looks 6’4 and change more often than not. Also at the Olympics what is a proven player (actually hall of fame player after 8 years in the league) going to gain with them lying up or down about his height when he has claimed many times that he was “about” 6’4 3/4 even before that? It’s likley that the 6’4 5/8 is a more precise measurement being the NBA does not do 1/8” increments and being that they didn’t even do 1/4” prior to the 2000s. Wade on the other hand would be more likely to have been boosted on a pre draft as that is something that he is playing for (his career). Having played basketball myself at the collegiate level I’ve met many players unfortunately never Wade or Barkley but have met Carmelo and Caron Butler who make wade look no better than 6’3. He clearly doesn’t look his drafted height next to Kobe or Melo or Lebron etc. in fact even next to guys like Russell Westbrook. I will also say that in people I know who have met both players that’s how they were described 6’2/6’3 and 6’4/6’5 or 6’4 1/2 but that’s a post for another day. But either way you attacked Christian saying Barkley is “no less than 6’4 3/4 when he measured below that mark”. You only even brought that portion up (the Barkley and wade measurements) because barkley’s Contradicts your theory for Boris whereas If Wade were actually that height it would make Boris what you think he actually is. So once again you choose evidence that supports your claim and ignore or make excuses for what contradicts it
Andrea said on 22/Dec/17
What does common sense tells you in Jason Momoa's picture then, Christian? He magically grew up that day? And, for the last time, Boris has a noticeable camera disadvantage in those picture with Michael Jai White and The Game, not just "some". But again you probably don't even know what I'm talking about...
As for Barkley, Boris' shoes don't look more than 0.75-1 inches from those pictures, while Charles' ones look at least 1.25 inches, so I doubt there is any less than a 1/4 inch difference... And you said it right. Barkley was ALLEGEDLY measured at 6'4 5/8. It's funny how you say that Dwayne Wade is no more than 6'2-6'3, even though, in his case, he was "officially" measured at 6'3.75, while you take Charles's alleged 6'4 5/8 measurement for granted...
And stop lying. You didn't bring up the boyfriend incident only to show my hypocrisy when I got, according to you, butthurt over Canson calling me a prostitute. You did it way before that. In fact, it's really the opposite. I did bring the prostitute thing up just to show your hypocrisy when you started to accuse me of insulting you. How liar are you, LOL? As I said, I never got butthurt for what Canson told me. At all. To be honest, I even laughed at that one when I read it the first time. That being said, I couldn't care less of that and the only reason why I brought it up was to show your hypocrisy when you decided to play the "I am good and you are bad" card. I certainly don't get insulted by people like you. It's just funny to see that, whenever you run out of arguments, you start to trash talk. That speaks a lot about your character...
P.S. Canson, you're getting old. It's funny that you say Rob is "my master", again, when you yourself are not able to have a single discussion on your own without bringing your bff Christian up. Just like it's funny that you say that I don't have a mind of my own and just agree with every listing on here... Do you have any idea of how many times I have challenged Rob's listings? LOL Fortunately, I can think with my head because, unlike you, I have a brain. And guess what? Basically all celebrities that I challenged in the past turned out to be as tall as I said when Rob eventually met them. And since you brought Rampage up again... Do I really need to mention every visitor you have insulted throughout these years just because they didn't agree with you? LOL Don't make me do it. The list would be pretty long... And, as I said, I always had my reasons for saying what I said to Rampage and I certainly don't regret it. And I certainly never got as personal as he did. His posts are there, so I certainly don't need to justify myself. Especially to you. Of course, since he's the only guy I've ever had a "serious" fight throughout these years, you have to bring him up. In your case, it's not only one guy, but a lot. I'm wondering why...
checker said on 22/Dec/17
Canson when I have a tape measure next to me and my finger perpendicular to 6'0 the middle of my forehead hits my finger. Would you estimate me at 6'3 then. Then when have my finger perpendicular to 6'3 the top of my crown just grazes it.
Canson said on 22/Dec/17
Well said Christian. It’s funny that the camera advantages and disadvantages that Andrea brings up in those pics don’t apply to any of the ones he posted nor does footwear or any other variable that is commonly used in his responses come into play when Boris “looks the height he’s listed here on this page” or even taller
Canson said on 21/Dec/17
@Andrea: did you really say that Barkley had a 1.25” shoe on? And that Boris had 3/4-1”. So are you saying his shoe is thicker than Boris’s boot that he had on with Kobe in the pic? Lol Kobe had a canvas shoe on there which clearly is not as thick as what Boris had. And I know the next thing out of your mouth is what Rob said that he doesn’t see an advantage. But to you anything Rob says is a fact because I forgot, he “your master” has to do all of your thinking for you. Very evident
Canson said on 21/Dec/17
@Andrea: yes all of this coming from the guy who says “Akon stands on his tiptoes or Jamie Fox’s must wear lifts because he makes Boris look 6’2” lol” or Barkley has a “clear footwear advantage on Boris”. You have some nerve calling anyone here a troll or making comments about their intelligence or anything of that nature. You honesty sound like you were deprived of oxygen at birth when you make comments. I mean you got into the same types of arguments with Rampage about his estimates previously yet you want to bring up the arguments Christian and I have gotten in with other posters. It’s always when someone disagrees with you. You are the laughing stock of this site with those comments and have little room to critique anyone about their height assessments when you make the excuses you make. You can say what You want about any of us you just mentioned Christian who has more credibility than you will ever have and clearly more intelligence than you and of course doesn’t make excuses when he’s wrong. He owns up to it. And Rampage at least doesn’t make excuses and respects other people’s opinions. You clearly don’t. And yes He is also a very respectful poster and a pretty standup dude overall unlike you. You only call him a troll for the same reason that you call Christian or Me one or anyone who doesn’t agree with you for that matter because we don’t agree with you. I absolutely commend you tho. you have the uncanny ability to take Two similar pics where you “believe” one is disadvantaged (say Boris) and call it out or make an excuse but then when Boris has that same advantage on someone else in a pic, you fail to mention or care about it and when it is brought to your attention, you deny it even when it’s clear as day. So don’t go saying what someone else does wrong. You’re just very argumentative with people and like to deflect the attention away from what you do. But that’s what you would come to expect from someone who is sorry and a complete utter waste of life and can’t think on his own two feet on this site without some type of intervention from Rob
Andrea said on 20/Dec/17
Whatever you say, Canson. Whatever you say. One thing, if by no one (really takes me seriously) you mean you, Christian, Rampage or other trolls, I honestly couldn't care less. Here, like in real life, the only opinions that matter to me are those of people I respect and I care about. Funny how you even have the nerve to say something like that, btw. Let's not forget that you are the guy who goes on pages of celebrities you don't even know, you comment about their height and you probably even submit a vote (like you did with Zachary and Wayne Brady, the same Wayne Brady who suddenly became shorter than your "as listed" estimate when everybody, except for you of course, agreed that he looked at least 5 inches shorter than Boris). You are the guy who posts random sites with random listings/descriptions as some kind of evidence that a celebrity is this or that height. You are the guy who totally buys what random visitors on here say (only when it's convenient for you though, see what happened with moe), like how tall they are or how tall the celebrities they say they have met looked "in person", and even try to compare them to Rob, by saying that Rob is not any different. Oh, and you are the guy who has no clue about height differences and/or has to lie about them to make his "estimates" believable.
Roger said on 20/Dec/17
Boris looks 6’3.75
checker said on 19/Dec/17
Rob when I have a tape measure next to me and my finger perpendicular to 6'0 the middle of my forehead hits my finger. Would you estimate me at 6'3 then.
Canson said on 17/Dec/17
@Andrea: you have a ****ing excuse for everything don’t you? You seriously are bringing up that Barkley has a footwear advantage lol? They both have on dress shoes so for you to mention that is beyond ridiculous. It’s funny how you can see that footwear difference but you couldn’t see the “obvious” difference in the footwear with Kobe Bryant and Boris. Honestly you just showed why nobody here takes you seriously. And by the way Barkley is 50+ years old so how is 6’4.5 not possible especially when he measured 6’4 5/8 at the Olympics? We don’t even know if that is his lowest height. Most people that meet Barkley say he’s between 6’4-6’5 or 6’4. A guy who is 195 cm won’t appear 6’4 to most they will appear 6’5 as that is a 1/4” difference in height. The only way someone can tell is if they’re maybe 6’5.25 or 196cm flat and someone is half inch shorter
Canson said on 17/Dec/17
@Christian: You by far provided the best evidence of Boris being under 6’3”. That picture with Barkley pretty much solves this
Canson said on 17/Dec/17
@Andrea: I’m well aware that there are certain things that aren’t a fact. However with you everything you believe is right or wrong is a fact. That’s exactly how you come across as a know it all. I am not uploading any videos or pictures of me on this site unless my face is completely blacked out. If you disagree with me that’s fine but as mentioned quit saying something is a fact just because you believe it is
Canson said on 17/Dec/17
@Andrea: I’m well aware that there are certain things that aren’t a fact. However with you everything you believe is right or wrong is a fact. That’s exactly how you come across as a know it all
Canson said on 17/Dec/17
@Andrea: that’s actually not true at all. You arrived at those numbers based on your opinions and you are using them as fact. In my opinion Magic clearly has 4” on Boris. That’s your opinion that he doesn’t have that much. In addition with Fox not standing straight that needs to be taken into account. Christian’s pictures with Charles Barkley are better than any you have posted as we know how tall he actually is and Barkley is clearly at least 1.5” taller than Boris. Boris actually looks under 6’3” with Barkley
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 17/Dec/17
Rob, is a weak or strong 6ft4 more likely?
Editor Rob: I think Boris is overall very close to being 6ft 4 on the nose, but I can appreciate how at times he has looked 6ft 3.5, although overall I think there's enough to see him measure right around 6ft 4 on the stadiometer.
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 17/Dec/17
@Andrea

Seriously, how many more excuses are you gonna make up? First it was lifts (the pic with Boris and Jamie Foxx), and now it's tiptoes? Do you realize how absurd you sound? You have zero proof that Akon was standing on his tiptoes. And I haven't seen a single pic where Akon stood on his tiptoes, let alone because he felt insecure that a guy was taller than him. I've seen tons of pics where he stood next to taller people and his feet were always flat. Don't make such random baseless allegations. So I guess Michael Jai White and The Game were standing on their tiptoes as well, right? (even though it makes no sense for a guy like The Game to do that when his legs were wide apart, because if he wanted to look taller, he would've kept his legs closer because having your legs wide apart would make you shorter) Even calling you a "joke" would be generous at this point, Andrea.
As for Barkley, both he and Boris were wearing dress shoes. Barkley's platform appears to be a bit thicker, but we can't see Boris' heels either. It's the heel of the shoe that gives most of the height. And the vast majority of dress shoes don't have heels that are under an inch thick. Only a very few have something like 0.75" And the type Boris wore would give a good inch despite having a thinner platform. I've seen plenty of those types in shops. Matter of fact, I own a pair that are very similar to what Boris wore, and those give me 1.1" (after measuring them of course) So if they're was any advantage, Barkley would have it only by about 1/8", which is virtually negligible. And a 6'4 5/8" measured Barkley would put Boris right at 6'3" because there was a 1.5"-1.75" difference between them. And as Canson alluded it's not impossible for a 54 year old, near 300lb Barkley to have lost a bit of height, making him maybe 6'4.5" or 6'4 3/8" today, which would potentially put Boris even lower at 6'2.75"
And I already admitted that I've misunderstood a few things in the past regarding other comments, but I didn't misunderstand regarding the discussion about Shawne's claim. Notice that word "seem". If I really jumped to conclusions, I wouldn't have used that word.
And one of the many problems I have with you is that you constantly love to play the victim by accusing me of "attacking" you. As you notice, I never accuse anyone of doing that to me whenever I have a debate with a user/visitor. Because I have thick skin, and I think with logic rather than emotion. I suggest you do the same. Maybe then you'll become somewhat of a more likeable person here. See, I'm not attacking you. I'm actually helping you by telling the truth about you, believe it or not.
Andrea said on 17/Dec/17
Canson, in case you don't know, there are some things that are NOT a fact. Not everything is an opinion. As I said, it's like saying that you can measure a couple of cms taller in the evening compared to the morning and calling it an opinion. It makes no sense. Again, upload a good video of you measuring your height and prove that by tilting your head down you actually measure taller than what you'd do if you didn't do it. Unless you have a deformed head or something, I honestly find it hard to believe. But if you posted a video which "proves" what you're saying, I'd have no problem to take what I said back...
Andrea said on 17/Dec/17
If Boris really was 6'3 (let alone under), that would make Rick Fox no more than 6'4.5, Kim Coates no more than 5'10-5'11, Magic Johnson no more than 6'6.5, Wayne Brady a weak 5'10, AJ Calloway no more than 6'-6'1 (hence Jared no more than 6'3), Casper Van Dien no more than 5'8 (hence Rob no more than 5'7), Kobe barely over 6'4, Wentworth Miller barely over 5'11, Dennis Haysbert somewhere around 6'2, Chi McBride no more than 6'3 and John Cena barely over 5'11. Just to name a "few". Let's just say that it is a bit unlikely (and yes, I do love euphemisms)... Without considering the fact that when you look at him with people who really are 6'3 range, like Nigel Barker ( Click Here ), Jerome Boateng ( Click Here ) and a MEASURED 6'3 1/8 Damien Woody ( Click Here ), he looks comfortably taller than all of them by about an inch (and no less than that).
Canson said on 16/Dec/17
@Christian: in keeping with what you said about his height being all over the charts here’s another pic with Magic where he looks a good 5” shorter. Now the argument on this would be that Magic is closer to the camera but just again shows how Boris’s height looks different based on the pics

Click Here
Canson said on 16/Dec/17
@Andrea: I didn’t tell you to “agree” with anything but don’t say it’s a “fact” that’s it’s not or is just because you don’t agree with it either. That’s something you’ve done all along. All I said was if someone tilts their neck a bit esp if a long neck and their crown is tilted upward chin down it will add height and it does as I have tested it.
Canson said on 16/Dec/17
@Checker: Boris imho is no better than a legit 6’3” and that’s honestly a stretch. A guy who is 6’2.5-.75 pulls 6’4 in shoes with ease esp in dress shoes boots or a good pair of sneaks. That’s what most celebs do they claim their shoes. Christian says it well Boris’s height in the pics here is all over the place. He can look 6’5 or more or 6’2” at times. But the Kobe pics taking into account camera angle and shoes he looks 2” shorter and Barkley at least 1.5” shorter in those pics. Barkley is older tho and may very well have lost height. I do know that Barkley’s height has always been a hot topic for debate in the time I’ve been on this page. Many think he’s taller than listed or claimed despite only measuring 6’4 5/8 but he’s not. Dan Majerle Danny Ainge Joe Klein even Michael Jordan have said he’s 6’4 range don’t see why they would lie. Not to mention I not only know a scout who’s 6’2 that confirmed he’s 6’4/6’5 years back but my 6’3” (reliably measured) friend met him more than once as well and said both times he was about 1.5” taller (1-2”). That doesn’t add up to a guy who is 6’6. A guy his size is not going to be listed barefoot when he’s already starting at a disadvantage especially when the other players are all listed with sneakers on. Karl Malone admitted he’s 6’8 so was listed 6’9. He had Barkley by minimum 3” standing in front of him at the HOF induction and Malone could be a sub 6’8 as well (only looked about half inch taller than Magic did and Magic peak isn’t more than about 201cm or even 6’7” flat possibly). Yet both were listed 6’9” on the roster. Don’t see why Barkley wouldn’t be put at a height in shoes as well. Dr J was taller than him by an inch too and listed 6’7” when he played so no way Chuck is 6’5 1/2 or 6’6” if Dr J was 6’5 1/2 when he played which is about what he was. 6’5 and change barefoot not as tall as Dennis Rodman or Dominique Wilkins were
Andrea said on 15/Dec/17
Christian, again, most of the pictures you have posted can make Boris look noticeably taller/shorter than 6'4 because he has a noticeable camera advantage/disadvantage. I for sure would never post pictures like those to prove anything. The only one where you can say he apparently has no camera advantage or disadvantage is the one with Akon. And yeah, he can look more 6'2-6'3 there, if Akon is 5'10. I would say there is more than 4 inches between them because Boris seems to have a bigger eyelevel than average. But yeah, he certainly doesn't look 6'4 there. But again, as far as we know, Akon could even be standing on his tip toes there. And no, it's not an excuse. Look at this picture of Jason Momoa with David Benioff (the guy on the right): Click Here Judging by that picture, you would never think that David can be much over 6'. When you take a look at other pictures of him with other celebrities though, it is pretty clear that he is noticeably taller than that and probably somewhere between 6'2 and 6'3. My explanation for that picture with Jason? Jason must be standing on his tip toes. And Jason is a pretty big guy himself, so you would never think he could be standing on his tip toes (especially with a smaller guy). But I think he's doing that there. A guy like Akon, who apparently is 5'10 (so a lot shorter than Boris), would have even more reason to do that...
As for Charles Barkley's pics, I can see about 1.5 inches between them, but again Charles seems to have at least a 1/4 inch more footwear than Boris, so it might still be no more than 1.25 inches. And Charles certainly doesn't seem under his 6'4.75 listing to me. As I said, maybe 192 is not something you can 100% rule out for Boris, but he generally does look a comfortable 6'4.
As for Shawne's claim, what you said I think is pretty clear: "The way you posted his 6'5" claims made it seem like you were somehow using them to try to "prove" that he's taller than 6'2"-6'3". There's nothing to add. Of course you're gonna say that you said "seem", so you didn't jump to conclusions. Whatever... Again, I'm certainly not the first one who "accuses" you of that (misunderstanding things). There must be a reason for that. As I said, the problem with it is that not only you often do that, but you also don't even think twice before attacking someone, like you did with me there.
Andrea said on 15/Dec/17
Canson, saying that tilting your head down can make you appear/measure taller than you are is not really an opinion. It's like saying that you can measure 2 cms taller in the evening compared to the morning, when we all know that it's the opposite. If you want to see it as an opinion, go ahead. I don't really see why I should agree with an "opinion" like that, though...
checker said on 15/Dec/17
You want to talk about an inexplicable pic. How does 6'2 Terence Garvin look 3 inches taller than Sinbad. Click Here

The flunctuations with Boris is wild though.
Canson said on 15/Dec/17
@Christian these are very good pics. Best case for Barkley 6’4 5/8 and to what I was saying to Andrea both their heads are straight here I’d Barkley had his neck tilted downward his crown would stick up more. He doesn’t believe me on that
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 14/Dec/17
Don't know why I didn't discover these pics earlier, but Boris looks about 1.75" shorter than Charles Barkley who's about 6'4.5", and these are pretty good quality pics too with not much variation in camera angles, so this furthers my notion that Boris is 6'2.75" or at most 6'3"
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Canson said on 14/Dec/17
@Andrea: yes that is an opinion on your part and no no it’s not talking about nothing. That’s only because you don’t agree or sorry I don’t agree with you
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 14/Dec/17
@Andrea

Maybe your definition of "photographic difference" is different than mine then. Maybe you define it as the difference between two people EXCLUDING posture, footwear and camera angles (AKA just judging by their heads). If that's how you define it, then I agree that it's 100% factual. But I define it as the visual height difference between two people INCLUDING posture, footwear and cqmera angles. This is why I keep saying that photographic differences are partly an opinion, because whether how much posture someone's losing, how thick their footwear is, and amount of camera advantage they're getting, is subjective to an extent.
And if you think that whenever Boris doesn't look 6'4" is due to massive camera advantage/disadvantage, then you're gravely mistaken. He looks 6'2" in 3 two pics here with 5'10" listed Akon without seemingly having camera disadvantage Click Here and next to 6'0.5" listed Michael Jai White, I know Boris is standing farther away from the camera, but he still looks about 6'2.25" if stood in the same distance with him Click Here next to 6'3.5" listed The Game Click Here and in that pic Boris might have the slight camera advantage if anything, plus The Game has a bit of disadvantage because his legs are spread wider apart. Now Boris looks 6'5"+ in these two pics, as he looks minimum 2cm taller than 6'4.5" listed Tyler Perry, making Boris look easily 6'5.25" here, and I acknowledge that he has a bit of advantage with the camera position, but I don't think anyone can argue that it doesn't look any less than a 2cm difference Click Here and with 6'3.75" listed Dwyane Wade, Boris looks about 6'6.5" but my opinion is that Wade's more like 6'2.75" but even if I base it on that, Boris still looks 6'5.5" Click Here
And yes, you did misunderstand me regarding Shawne's claim. I never said that you didn't know that celebs can't be under a certain height just because they claim a height, yet you accuse me of implying that, due to your own misunderstanding and jumping to conclusions. And I already confessed that I misunderstood your comment on the Michael Winslow page. Why can't you do the same and admit that you misunderstood my comments as well? Are you really that self-righteous and prideful?
Canson said on 14/Dec/17
@Andrea: to be fair Christian has a strong point. Look at all the pics where Charles Barkley and Kobe look 6’5 1/2 and 6’6”. I know people that have met Barkley and Kobe both as well as Jordan. One guy is a scout and called Barkley 6’4/6’5 (said he’s “about” my height as is Jordan) Kobe 6’5ish (which for a guy who’s 6’2 can look 3” if he’s 2.5-2.75 taller and MJ 6’4 and change which in essence other than MJ is how Rob had them listed yet because Barkley or Kobe dwarf a 5’10.5 guy like Jimmy Kimmel who claims 6’1 and is listed 5’11.25 here they believe those guys are taller than advertised. Not saying you can’t use pics but Kobe and Barkley as well as MJ can both look all taller this, but that just shows it
Andrea said on 13/Dec/17
I'm not sure that's really an opinion though, Canson. And no, I know you are obsessed with that idea, but it has nothing to do with Rob (whose opinion, in any case, is certainly much more important than yours to me, btw). All I did was posting a clip of him which showed what I was trying to say. You can measure a hair taller by tilting your head up and a fraction shorter by tilting your head down. And that's my case as well. So I'm basing what I say on my personal experience. You say the opposite. Fine. Upload a good video of you measuring your height and prove that by tilting your head down you actually measure taller than what you'd do if you didn't do it. Until then, you are talking about nothing...
Canson said on 13/Dec/17
@Checker: he was listed at 6’3” at MD and college listing are even more inflated than pro football. I was surprised he measured 6’2.5 honestly. Looks a classic 6’2” at best maybe even less with Vernon Davis. 6’2.5 is too high for him honestly
checker said on 12/Dec/17
The 6'4.3 stuff is so laughable for Merriman when he can look 6'1 with people. I knew it was a joke in 2005, especially since he was listed at 6'3 in college. And then I saw he was measured at his correct height of 6'2 at his pro day. Click Here

Here he is with 6'5.5 Omar Benson looking 6'1. Click Here
Andrea said on 12/Dec/17
For the last time, Christian, the photographic difference is one thing and it is more or less a fact, while the measured difference also depends from those things you have mentioned, like posture, footwear and camera angles, which most of the time can be a fact as well, other times they are harder to tell, so you can say it can be an opinion. To a certain degree though. So no, I'm not misunderstanding you. You are the one who doesn't want to understand.
And no, Boris' height is not all over the place. If you consider those pictures where he has a noticeable camera advantage/disadvantage it's obvious that he can look over a huge range, like you say. But again, that can be said for any celebrity on here. If you are aware of these things, he constantly looks more or less the same range: a textbook 6'4.
And stop saying that I misunderstood you (which I didn't) and trying to turn what I told you against me. Speaking of Michael Winslow, there's nothing wrong about the fact that you clearly misunderstood my words and the context in which they were meant. It can happen to anybody (and it certainly seems to happen a lot to you). The problem with it is that, since your main purpose of that comment was trying to discredit me ("6'5"??? Are you crazy? No wonder why no one really takes you seriously."), you should have at least thought not twice, but ten times before submitting a comment like that.
Canson said on 12/Dec/17
@Andrea: again with the pointed crown. Yes if you tilted the top of your head downward and you have a crown on top the crown will raise up. I know based on having done it. And It’s ok if you disagree but quit saying things like it isn’t true etc because that again is your opinion. And what Rob says is not a universal thing. you seem to preface a lot of what you think or argue as fact based on what Rob says and make it a truth. His words are an opinion just like anyone else and no more so than yours Christians or mine. As I mentioned Rob’s head isn’t the same shape as mine. But look at Charles Barkley’s head where the crown is pointed. If he tilts his chin down the crown will raise up and add a tiny bit and since it is raised higher than the rest of his head it does give a bit extra. Not a lot but some mm

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Andrea said on 12/Dec/17
A pointed crown? Again, what are you even talking about? Apart from the fact that, having another look at the photo, Boris is slightly tilting his head down, so I don't even know why we're talking about this... Anyway, as I said, by tilting your head down, you can measure/appear shorter than what you are, if anything. But certainly not taller.
As for me saying that Christian often jumps to conclusions way too fast, it has nothing to do with the fact that he agree or doesn't agree with me. Did you even read my comment? -.-
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 12/Dec/17
@Andrea

Again, I'm not confused at all. I already know that the difference between Rob and Daniel (judging only by their heads and not posture) is 9", and that's 100% undisputable. What I'm saying is that height differences are partly an opinion ONCE you factor in the posture, footwear and camera angles. You're misunderstanding me here.
And the reason why I said "Boris just might be one of those celebs where he just happens to be frequently favored by the camera lens to the point where he often looks taller than he actually is.", is because his height seems to be all over the place. He can look as tall as 6'7"-6'8" in a few pics, 6'5" in some, 6'4"-6'5" in some, 6'3" in some, 6'2"-6'3" in some, and 6'2" in a few. I've never seen a celeb that has his height all over the place to the degree of Boris. And I can also argue that the lens might sometimes give him a disadvantage because he can look 6'2" at times. Again, you've misunderstood me.
As for Shawne's claim, Of course I know that you know that just because a celebrity claims a height, it doesn't mean that they can't be under a certain height. This is the third time you misunderstood me and jumped to conclusions in a single comment. You're doing exactly the same thing you accuse me of doing. That's the very definition of being a hypocrite.
And I'm man enough to admit that I misunderstood your comment on the Michael Winslow page. I have a valid reason for it though. Once I read your comment, I didn't read Rob's comment below mentioning about Tom Noonan. I just stopped reading once I read your comment because I was surprised that you said "he looks well over 6'5"" (because at the time I thought you were referring to Winslow looking over 6'5"). That's what really happened.
Canson said on 11/Dec/17
@Andrea: that’s an opinion that Christian jumps to conclusions and everything else you said about him. Sounds like you are saying that because he doesn’t agree with you once again. Nothing is a fact despite the fact you may believe it doesn’t mean it is true everything is open for debate here
Canson said on 11/Dec/17
@Andrea: rob doesn’t have a pointed or high crown on his head either like I have. Look at Charles Barkley or Boris and both have similar crowns. Barkley is more pronounced tho which is how mine is. When I tilt my head down my eye level will be lower but the back where the crown is will raise up higher
Andrea said on 10/Dec/17
New picture with John Cena: Click Here

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