How tall is Boris Kodjoe - Page 3

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6ft 3.36in (191.4cm)
Canson said on 22/Jan/18
@Rob: looking at the article it could be because of his position that he played or could’ve been a legitimate error. He would be on the small side for a defensive lineman at 6’2 but would be good for a LB which he ultimately played. Maybe the uncertainty was why that happened. Or it could’ve been data set issue where maybe he was 6’2 3/8 and they said 6’4 3/8. That happens a lot In the NBA where shoe heights go into barefoot column. I’m willing to bet money Dwayne Wade is not “almost 6’4” and also am willing to bet that those were not Morning measurements. I’ve played ball with some of the guys that were drafted and their heights are closely mirrored in person such as Keith Bogans and have met Kirk Hinrich and Carmelo Anthony. Both looked close to their draft heights. Hinrich could be 6’2.5 but close enough whereas Melo looked about right. Another one was TJ ford who looked shorter. He looked more 5’10 than 5’11 but I didn’t pay attention to footwear possibly.
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 21/Jan/18
Boris looks about 6'3" next to 6'11" Dirk Nowitzki Click Here and 6'9.75" listed John Isner with visible footwear Click Here
Andrea said on 21/Jan/18
"And you still lie, Christian, even though the messages are there now, LOL. You did bring up the boyfriend thing on 6/Oct/2017, after over one month I came out with that, just like I said. Me, on the other hand, I never mentioned the prostitute thing because I never cared about it. The only reason why I brought it up was to show your hypocrisy when you started to play the victim. That's all!" What's not clear about that, Christian? The first time I mentioned the prostitute thing was on 29/Oct/17, so well after you first brought up the boyfriend thing (on 6/Oct/2017) and cried about it. How can you still lie? And how do you expect to be trusted when you lie about simple things like these?
And yeah, I'm gonna dismiss alleged meetings because there's nothing concrete in them. As I said, random people saying that they met this or that celebrity is not evidence to me. There was this guy on Jared Padalecki's page who insisted that he met Jared and the looked no more than 6'3 in person. Should I change my idea about Jared's height just because of that? I wouldn't say so. But, according to your logic, I should take that into consideration. I mean, what would he gain from lying? And just because things in life can't be proven doesn't necessarily mean that the only thing we can do is to take someone's word for it. Many people swear that they have seen ghosts or that they have been kidnapped by aliens. Am I supposed to take their words for it just because those facts can't be proven? I'm certainly not that kind of guy. Maybe you are, but I'm not...
And what I said is not an excuse. Funny how everything that you don't understand suddenly becomes an excuse, huh? And this is one of the many reasons why it is impossible to have a normal discussion with you. There are definitely some guys who naturally stand worse with shorter guys and better with taller guys. I can think of a guy like Alessandro Gassman. There's a good number of pictures where he can really look not much more than 6'1, especially with shorter guys, but when he stands at his tallest he looks easily somewhere in 6'3 range. And that's clearer when he stands next to guys nearer his height or taller.
And if you wanna call me arrogant for saying that I would bet all of my money that Boris would be comfortably over 6'3, go ahead. As I said, I call it confidence. I have certainly seen enough to completely rule it out. If you rule out the possibility of him wearing lifts or every other celebrity he appeared with being noticeably shorter than their listings, I would really bet all of my money on him being comfortably taller than 6'3. And I'm not just saying that. In any case, you shouldn't worry about it considering that it's my money I'm talking about. ;)
And another habit you have is putting words in my mouth. I never said (or implied) that Couchscout is a fake site, but a "fan site", which is a little bit different. And it's pretty clear if you take a look at it. As I said, I tried to contact the owner, but he still hasn't answered. It would certainly be interesting to know where he got those data about Shawne from...
And I don't see how you can call "BS" something that you don't completely rule out. I only call "BS" things that are impossible to me, like 100% impossible. Just like I don't see how me wondering if 6'5 was possible is contradictory or even a failure. You are contradictory when you say that Boris is somewhere around 6'3 and at the same time you say that 6'4 is still a slight possibility. Besides the fact that my comment was pretty clear: is Boris taller than 6'4 and nearer 6'5 or are those guys (Kevin Durand, Kim Coates and Dennis Haysbert) shorter than their listings? But of course you just mentioned the 6'5 thing and took it out of context. Another classic Christian!
And the only reason why I mentioned the fact that there's more than one poster that doesn't like you on here is because you tried to make that argument against me. Honestly? I couldn't care less if there are people that dislike you, just like I couldn't care less if there are people that dislike me. You can't be liked by everyone. Here, like in real life. There are many posters on here that I don't like as well and I'm not just talking about those posters that I've had a discussion with... I usually just ignore them and walk on by, unless they try to attack me or something, because me too, I don't take crap from anyone and don't let them walk over me. And I am the first one who didn't hope for this debate to be so long and heated, but apparently it's impossible to come to an end. Don't even try to pin it on me, though. You're the one who started it by saying that I just want Boris to be 6'4 (when I honestly couldn't give a fu*k if he was 6'4 or 5'4) and by calling my estimate "BS". The "you have no clue about height differences" thing was more directed to Canson, after he came out with certain statements, but I think we've already been there...
P.S. Lol at Canson "replying" and proving exactly everything I've said about him. 36 years down the drain! 😂😂😂
Editor Rob
I'm still none the wiser over Merriman.

I know 6ft 4 3/8th is out there in a lot of places...I did a little digging and found one other newspaper that had him as 6ft 2, same page had aaron rodgers 6ft 2 as well.

Click Here.

I don't know if this info is post draft or not, but I thought I'd mention it.
Canson said on 20/Jan/18
@Checker: that’s likely a morning height for Calhoun as well. That’s his combine measurement meaning probably a flat 6’4”
Canson said on 20/Jan/18
@Checker: the worst case scenario for Vernon and Shawne is that Vernon is half inch taller. Best case is an inch. I only say that because of where both measured. If Shawne is somehow 6’2.5 or 6’2 3/8 at a low and Vernon is about 6’3. When I met Vernon it looked about 3cm (1-1.5”). I would say he looked solid 6’3 but seeing as how he measured 6’3.25 in the AM maybe 6’2 7/8 as a worst case as that won’t look any different really. But I would say Vernon is 6’3 since it’s close enough like my friend who looked the same standing next to me and dips to 190.3-.4. Shawne according to a friend who met him said 6’2ish. Not as tall as the 6’3 friend
checker said on 19/Jan/18
6'2 Merriman next to 6'4.3 Shilique Calhoun. Click Here
Canson said on 19/Jan/18
there’s no way that Merriman is 3” taller than Ray Lewis. That’s hardly 2” between them. Ray measured 6’0.6 at his draft 6’ 5/8 or 6’ 3/4

Click Here
checker said on 19/Jan/18
6'3 Vernon is simply taller than 6'2 Merriman because of a bigger forehead. Click Here
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 19/Jan/18
@Andrea

That doesn't make me a liar because I brought up the boyfriend thing AFTER you brought up the fact that Canson calling you a prostitute, which was on Ray Fisher's page but the comments got pushed down unfortunately. Whether it was on Boris' or Ray's page or the date is irrelevant. I still brought up the boyfriend thing AFTER you brought up the prostitute thing, so it wasn't a lie.
There's no actual proof that Viper and Canson's associate met Shawne, but they wouldn't gain anything from lying. And just because there's no proof, are you gonna dismiss it? That's like if one of your friends (if you even have any) told you he ate pizza yesterday for lunch, are you gonna say "I don't believe you ate pizza until you show me proof that you ate it"? That would be absurd to think like that. Some things in life can't be proven, so the only thing we can do is to take someone's word for it. I have no reason to doubt that either of them were making it up, because they both described him as 6'2", which is around the height of his measurement at 6'2.4"
And there's yet another excuse, which is expected from you. "Maybe he's a guy who slouches around shorter guys and when he's around taller guys he stands taller..." so that's your reasoning for Shawne looking 6'2"-6'3" next to some people, is that he slouches? LOL. I know I may have posted some pics here and there that are of rather poor camera positioning, but at least I don't make excuses for someone else's posture whenever Shawne looks 6'3"-6'4" in a pic or Boris looks 6'4" in a pic.
And you can call it merely "confident" or whatever fancy little terms, but when you make statements like you'll bet all of your money if a celeb turns out to be an inch shorter than you believe them to be, that's clearly arrogance. There're no other words to describe it.
And Couchscout isn't some made up fake site like you try to make it out to be, it's a site that's filled with database that comes from NFL and college football leagues. And just because I may have called 6'4" for Boris as "BS", it doesn't mean that I completely rule it out. Like I said, there's always still a slight possibility that Boris is legit 6'4". I call it "BS", but it's still a slight possibility. And I know opinions of a celeb's height can change over time, but it's contradictory for you to believe 6'5" was possible for him, and now you take it back. It also goes against what you said "I've always gauged celebrities' heights from pictures and clips and basically all of those celebrities turned out to be as tall as I said when Rob eventually met them." Obviously you didn't "gauge" properly this time. When your 6'5" estimate for Boris turned out to be a failure, then that means you lost credibility. If you're gonna estimate Boris at 6'4", at least stick with it. You can estimate him as 6'4.25" or 6'3.75" as well, but not something as distant as 6'5". I put Boris at 6'3" but I also consider 6'2.75" and 6'3.25" to be possibilites as well, but I'm not gonna put him at 6'4" or 6'2" since that goes against my beliefs.
And I'm disliked on this site by some people too, but that's because I don't take crap from anyone and don't let them walk over me. And just because I said that you're disliked by people who you have discussions with, doesn't negate the fact that I'm disliked by some as well. So I'm not being a hypocrite, because at least I acknowleged that I have my fair share of haters as well. When we have long, detailed disagreements like these, creating enemies is almost inevitable. Most posters who've had long, continuous arguments created enemies at some point. I didn't hope for this debate to be so long and heated, but you're the one who started it by saying that I had no clue about height differences.
Canson said on 19/Jan/18
@Andrea: that comment about being called a troll that you made being a compliment makes no sense at all. Sounds like you are putting up a front now like you have all of this time. And no I don’t believe you are a troll. You’re just very stubborn and arrogant like Christian said and that comment along with others only validates it. I can respect that you’d put money down as that at least shows you’re confident but when you said you would never return to this site out of embarrassment shows that it’s all a front. And you want to bring up age you’re very childish the way you run to Rob for everything and accuse others of lying when they don’t agree with you so you just proved every point Christian and I have said. You run to Rob the same way a child would when he feels he is being bullied or worse if he is spoiled and feels he isn’t getting his way. 😂 You have to prove “Christian’s hypocrisy and untruthfulness”? Sorry but you didn’t prove a thing. And what does attempting to do that have to do with Boris being 6’4 or not? Sorry but that doesn’t change his height. Absolutely nothing. And He wasn’t untruthful and he surely isn’t a hypocrite like you are accusing both of us of the things you do such as trusting someone else’s estimates only when they are convenient enough to fit your narrative of course or not trusting them when you don’t think they fit it. and having to run to others for reassurance solely because you lack confidence. Or calling someone a liar because their estimates don’t coincide with yours or making your opinions or estimates a fact when they’re just an opinion. People see things differently. Just as you accused me of lying about Brady being 4 or so inches shorter (which to me he looked at times). You did the same saying Merriman is only one inch shorter than Barkley. But of course no one else agrees with you or sees it that way. And truthfully the way people comment on Barkley they won’t do that. They would easily make Barkley 6’5.5 or 6’6” and just call it a 2” difference here since that’s the minimum that it looks. It’s funny you didn’t include your height lines there but you do it on other pics and it’s because you know it’s more than an inch. Go right ahead and try to compare that height difference to the one with Boris and Haysbert that you swear is 2cm 😂. How do you see a 1” difference there but only a 2cm difference between Boris and Haysbert? I can compare the two and tell it’s a noticeable difference not just 1 cm between the kids. And You also claim to be clueless on shoes and how much they add yet when it’s convenient for you you comment on and make an excuse about Barkley’s to again diminish the difference between he and Boris yet with Kobe there is an obvious difference and you say it doesn’t exist yet others here see it.

Ok so if you want to use your logic about someone lying because “height differences are a fact”, then you are lying about the height difference with Boris and Kobe and also with Barkley and Merriman and with Boris and Barkley as you are the only person here saying the differences are what you call them while others here are saying that they are exactly what Christian and I said which look more factual. But no it doesn’t work that way with you. The only things that are fact are the ones that you believe are. Everything else that you don’t believe or that doesn’t support your narrative is either a lie, stupid, or an opinion.
Andrea said on 18/Jan/18
And you still lie, Christian, even though the messages are there now, LOL. You did bring up the boyfriend thing on 6/Oct/2017, after over one month I came out with that, just like I said. Me, on the other hand, I never mentioned the prostitute thing because I never cared about it. The only reason why I brought it up was to show your hypocrisy when you started to play the victim. That's all!
And you said it right. You have no proof that Viper or Canson's friends really met Shawne, so we're talking about nothing. That's not evidence, hence why it makes no sense to bring them up as proof that Shawne is as tall as 6'2. And although it might be true that "just because your estimates for celebs supposedly turned out to be true when Rob met them, doesn't mean that it's going to be the case for Boris", that should still suggest that you can get a very good idea of how tall celebrities are if you see enough stuff of them. And for the record, I've seen a lot of Boris (probably more than any other celebrity at this point), so I'm a lot more sure about him than how I could have been about those celebrities. And I never said that the "fan site" measurements were made up, but being it a "fan site" increases the possibility of errors, in a sense.
Speaking of Shawne, as I said, I can appreciate how he can look as low as that at times (like he does with Ray Lewis, for example), but there are many other pictures with MEASURED athletes where he looks easily taller than that. One thing I've noticed is that he can look shorter next to shorter guys and taller next to taller guys (and by shorter and taller I don't necessarily mean shorter and taller than him). Maybe he's a guy who slouches around shorter guys and when he's around taller guys he stands taller...
And I know that you can be aware of camera angles and positions because I've seen you making some very good points on other pages (even though you calling camera angles "excuses" certainly doesn't work in your favour), but sometimes it doesn't seem like that on here. As I said, I would have never posted those pictures with Michael Jordan, Michael Jai White, The Game etc. or even those ones with Ray Lewis where, in your opinion, Boris could look as tall as 6'7 because they simply prove nothing, even if they are the only pictures with those people. And which are those good camera quality pictures where Boris looks as low as 6'2 or as high as 6'5+? As I said, I can see how he can look as low as 6'2-6'3 next to Akon and Jamie Foxx, but they're actually the only two pictures where he can look as low as that and in every other picture he looks comfortably over 6'3. 6'5+? I don't think he's ever looked as big as that with anyone, apart from, maybe, those celebrities who are probably a bit overlisted on here.
And it's not about being arrogant, but about being confident. As I said, I've seen enough to completely rule out 6'3. Just like I'd do with a guy like Jared Padalecki. That being said, I'll be honest and say that I wouldn't bet my money on him not being under 6'4 because there's always a possibility he dips a bit under, just like I wouldn't with the same Jared, although I personally wouldn't put any of them at anything under 6'4. And none of those two people you have mentioned are actually "confirmed and measured". Barkley's 6'4 5/8 "measurement" is just a mention in one article and Shawne's 6-2.4 measurement isn't less reliable than the other 6'4 3/8 measurement, apart from the former appearing only on a "fan site", like Couchscout seems to be. And I don't see how saying something like "I completely rule out 6'3 for Boris" is crazy. You yourself called my 6'4 estimate for Boris "BS" in the past, which is even crazier, and it goes to show that 1) you speak as if your estimates are the only good ones and 2) you're an hypocrite because you accuse me of the same thing (but we already knew that). And yeah, I wondered if 6'5 was possible in the past because he could look nearer that mark with those guys I mentioned in that old message (that you have posted and probably even haven't read, apart from the first part), but, based on what I've seen now, I would safely rule it out and I think it's more the case of those other people being shorter than their listings, which is exactly what I said there, btw. Although I can see something like 192 as not being impossible next to Kobe and Barkley, I have to go with what he generally looks next to everybody else: a decent 6'4.
And who are these many posters I have discussions with that, according to you, dislike me? Rampage? Bennett or whatever his name was/is? Viper? LOL I swear it's hard, but I'll try to live with it. Speaking of that, do you really think that you are so liked on here? Last time I checked, more than one poster thought otherwise and a few of them specifically said that you are very disliked on here... And I'm glad that one of the biggest, if not the biggest, hypocrite on the site calls me the biggest walking contradiction in Celebheights history. I'd say it easily fits with his character. ;)
Canson said on 18/Jan/18
@Christian: you meant Senior Bowl where he measured that but you’re absolutely right. And I don’t get why Andrea can call me a liar or you or accuse us of not being able to differentiate height differences when he can say that there’s a 1” diff with Merriman and Barkley or that Barkley has a footwear advantage (after he claimed he knew nothing about shoes in previous posts) or that Kobe has 3cm on Boris but Boris has “2cm on Haysbert” when there is a noticeable difference between the two pics. Then use all of that as a fact when it is clearly an opinion. I mean key point here is (which actually is a fact). You have a few people who have jumped in and disagreed with him so obviously it had the possibility of not being true or else everyone would be agreeing with him. Not saying it is or isn’t because we don’t know but I would be my own money that Barkley and Merriman at least are accurate enough (within realm)
Andrea said on 18/Jan/18
And this guy is supposed to be 36??? 😂😂😂
Funny how he keeps proving everything I've already said about him...
And now tell me, Canson, where did I run to Rob now? You know, I'm trying to improve my hacking skills, but I still can't access celebheights database for some reason... 😢 That's why I had to ask Rob to retrieve the old comments to finally expose Christian's untruthfulness and hypocrisy. 👍 I swear I'm studying though, so, Rob, pay some serious attention to your site's security because next time I might do it by myself! 😎
P.S. Getting called troll by Viper is kinda an achievement! 😀
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 18/Jan/18
@Andrea

I didn't lie. I actually did bring up the boyfriend thing after you whined about Canson calling you a prostitute, but the comment was on Ray Fisher's page, which got pushed down.
And just because I don't have actual proof that Viper and an associate of Canson's met Shawne, doesn't automatically negate them. The only proof I have is to take their words for it. And just because your estimates for celebs supposedly turned out to be true when Rob met them, doesn't mean that it's going to be the case for Boris.
And if you think that the "fan site" measurements were made up, they're actual sources that come from NFL's database. For example, Shawne's 6'2.4" measurement came from the 2006 Pro Bowl. So it's legit as far as I'm concerned.
And if you wanna believe that Shawne's only an inch shorter than Barkley despite the pic showing otherwise, then go right ahead. I believe that Vernon's taller than Shawne despite the two pics you provided showing otherwise, but I have a good reason for it. Shawne looks 6'2"-6'3" range with other people, not only with Barkley. But Vernon on the other hand, looks legit 6'3" in many of the pics, although there are a few times where he can look taller or shorter than that.
And I'm pretty aware of camera angles and positions contrary to what you think. Whenever I post pics with rather poor camera positioning, it's only because I wasn't able to find any other pics of Boris with the same person. For example, the pics with Michael Jordan, Michael Jai White, The Game etc. If I was able to find other pics with the same people involved with better camera positioning, I would've posted those instead. And unlike you, I don't make excuses and blame it on camera angles or lifts or even worse tiptoes whenever Boris looks 6'4". But you often make those same excuses whenever he looks below it. I know there are good camera quality pics where Boris looks 6'4", but there are others with just as good camera quality where he looks 6'2" or 6'3" or 6'5"+.
And are you that arrogant as to where you'll completely rule out 6'3" for Boris and even bet all of your money? As much as I doubt he's legit 6'4", there's always still a very slim chance IMO that he actually may be that tall. I'm not gonna completely rule it out. Just like I'll never completely rule out heights for other celebs, that's if unless that person was measured, as in the case with 6'4 5/8" Barkley and 6'2.4" Merriman. They were measured at those respective heights so they can't be higher than that. You just exactly proved my point when I say that you present your opinions as if they were facts. Otherwise you would've never said anything crazy like you're completely ruling out 6'3" for Boris. And another crazy thing is that 6'3" is impossible according to you, yet somehow 6'5" is a possibility? Click Here Mind you that 6'5" is just as far from 6'4" as 6'3" is. And you wonder why a lot of posters whom you have discussions with dislike you. You're the biggest walking contradiction in Celebheights history.
Canson said on 17/Jan/18
@Checker: as much as I disagree and dislike Andrea I don’t think he is a troll. I’ll be fair and give credit where it is due. But as I’ve maintained all along I think just incredibly stubborn as you said and I don’t think he’ll admit if he’s wrong. He also mentioned once that if Boris turned out to be “6’3 or under” that he would never return to this site out of pure embarrassment. Anyone here who has either provided an estimate below his satisfaction or even met the guy in person Andrea has either criticized the estimate or told them no disrespect but I don’t agree. The latter is perfectly fine and diplomatic and the way that it should be done honestly but then there is the situation with you Me Christian Mr R Bennett 6’3” and Bobby why our estimates “lack credibility” for one reason or another. Not to mention he told me and Christian as well that he “thought we were reasonable but I guess not”. Meaning because we didn’t agree with him was how I perceived it and that’s how it looks to anyone else. I’ll give him his credit he found pics where he looks 6’4” but when Christian or I post a pic it is no good when more than half of his aren’t. It’s the ultra lame childish and sorry excuses he makes for everything and the hypocrite sh*t that he pulls if you see the older comments especially that Rob posted. Christian dared him and Andrea didn’t let us down running to Rob once again as a little child in the last post, Not to mention he has run to Rob close to a dozen other (at least) times now and had to run to posters on other pages such as Chi McBride Tyler Perry and John Cena (to name a few) to get reassurance. You can see his comments on those pages where he is “subtly” fishing for someone to “assure him” that Boris is 6’4 or looks it with those guys. I mean there really isn’t much more to say at this stage.
Canson said on 17/Jan/18
@Checker: as much as I disagree and dislike Andrea I don’t think he is a troll. I’ll be fair and give credit where it is due. But as I’ve maintained all along I think just incredibly stubborn as you said and I don’t think he’ll admit if he’s wrong. He also mentioned once that if Boris turned out to be “6’3 or under” that he would never return to this site out of pure embarrassment. Anyone here who has either provided an estimate below his satisfaction or even met the guy in person Andrea has either criticized the estimate or told them no disrespect but I don’t agree. The latter is perfectly fine and diplomatic and the way that it should be done honestly but then there is the situation with you Me Christian Mr R Bennett 6’3” and Bobby why our estimates “lack credibility” for one reason or another. Not to mention he told me and Christian as well that he “thought we were reasonable but I guess not”. Meaning because we didn’t agree with him was how I perceived it and that’s how it looks to anyone else. I’ll give him his credit he found pics where he looks 6’4” but when Christian or I post a pic it is no good when more than half of his aren’t. It’s the hypocrite sh*t that he pulls if you see the older comments especially that Rob posted. Christian dared him and Andrea didn’t let us down running to Rob once again as a little child in the last llatZ Not to mention he has run to Rob close to a dozen other (at least) times now and had to run to posters on other pages such as Chi McBride Tyler Perry and John Cena (to name a few) to get reassurance. You can see his comments on those pages where he is “subtly” fishing for someone to “assure him” that Boris is 6’4 or looks it with those guys. I mean there really isn’t much more to say at this stage.
Canson said on 17/Jan/18
@Andrea: in my f*cked up mind Andrea? And Oh Lord end this argument really? The argument that you started and kept because nobody agrees with you lol. And you speak like you have authority here and telling us what we have to believe and post? if you want to really hear about yourself. You say you’re dealing with kids? Who just ran to Rob because he can’t defend himself in an argument he started? You are a very immature poster and are a big immature child. Ill give you credit tho you love running to Rob don’t you? You didn’t see Christian or I do that. And no one here cares who posted what first between you and Christian or me. You brought it up not us. Yet it’s ok for you to tell us “we can’t estimate height or are stupid because we don’t agree with you. The only thing you exposed here is yourself for what Christian and I both said that you are a puppet and have no mind of your own. You just run to Rob all the time for everything. Funny you don’t see either of us doing that but you have to for everything. And the comment calling us boyfriends is end of August that was quite some time ago. The posts following that prove Christians point once again.

What do you mean please don’t say Viper? Well you were the one who used Viper’s 6’4” estimate of Boris with Magic as evidence that he’s 6’4”. Now though because he says he’s shorter and because Merriman is not the height that would make Boris 6’4” we all of a sudden have to “take his estimates with a grain of salt”. So if Rising Force had met Merriman however, then and estimated him 6’4” and could be completely off you would use that as evidence tho of course. We know you well. You use whatever fits your narrative and criticize anyone else’s opinion that doesn’t as we are all aware of. You say that we “can’t estimate height difference all because something doesn’t line up with your estimate”. Not an entire group here just you saying it. So you for some reason carry more weight than others though? You’re a joke
Canson said on 17/Jan/18
@Andrea: Oh Lord end this argument really? The argument that you started and kept because nobody agrees with you lol. The only thing you exposed here is yourself for what Christian and I both said that you are a puppet and have no mind of your own. You just run to Rob all the time for everything. Funny you don’t see either of us doing that but you have to for everything
Editor Rob
Guys, someone take the lead...this page has gone around in circles for months.

I can see how one person might think Boris is 6ft 3.25, another 6ft 4...we all have our opinions. Sometimes we have to accept we can never agree.

As for the Merriman, I might give him a page, but even I am not sure on the guy, it's a strange case.
Andrea said on 17/Jan/18
Thanks, Rob. For Christian: you can now see that I came out with that boyfriend thing on 31/Aug/2017 and after over one month, precisely on 6/Oct/2017, you brought it up again, just like I said. According to you, that happened only after me bringing the prostitute thing up. I wouldn't say so, considering that there's no mention of it in any part of that old page. As I said, the only reason why I brought it up was to show your hypocrisy when you decided to play the "I am good and you are bad" card. Before then, I never mentioned it because I couldn't care less, unlike you apparently. That being said, I can't wait for your next excuse because I'm sure you will find one...
P.S. I know that I brought the prostitute thing up on Ray Fisher's page, but it was right after you and Canson started to play the victim (Canson even tried to say my emojis are insulting at some point, LOL) and precisely on 29/Oct/17, so after 6/Oct/2017. Go check it yourself. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if you started to say that it's just my opinion and that 6/Oct/2017 comes after 29/Oct/17 for some reason, LOL.
checker said on 17/Jan/18
Andrea, you calling Rudy Gay a liar for saying Merriman is 6'2, and with Merriman not denying it in his tweet back.

What in the world.
checker said on 17/Jan/18
Andrea, NFL.com had Merriman at a measured 6'2 at his pro day. Click Here

And he looks no taller than 6'2 with Barkley. People who meet him say hes 6'2. Hes NOT 6'3. He was listed at 6'3 his first 2 years at Maryland.

Ive posted at least 4 pics of Merriman and Vernon together since 2007 and 6'3 Vernon looked taller in all of them.

Dont know why you are stubborn and trolling now.
Andrea said on 17/Jan/18
In your fuc*ed up mind I'm sure it does, Canson. ;)
Andrea said on 17/Jan/18
Rob, I know it's pretty stupid to ask, but since I'm dealing with kids, do you still have the old comments somewhere? So that I can finally end this argument and expose Christian's (already obvious) hypocrisy and untruthfulness... You see, Christian? Another difference between me and you is that if you refer to the old comments of mine (that are no longer here), I don't deny anything. You, on the other hand, take advantage of the fact that they got deleted and you lie, lie and lie.
As for people "meeting" celebrities, you haven't answered my questions. Who are these people? How do you know they actually have met him in person? Do they have a good idea about height and how to gauge it in person? And please, don't say Viper. And saying that "you can't actually prove that Shawne and Boris are around 6'2" and 6'3" unless you meet them in person yourself" isn't really true. As I said, I've always gauged celebrities' heights from pictures and clips and basically all of those celebrities turned out to be as tall as I said when Rob eventually met them. Why do you think is that? Luck? Or maybe that "method" really works, if you know how to use it of course?
And yeah, Charles claiming a very precise 6'4.75 is quite curious, to say the least, if he really is taller than that, but saying that the chance of Barkley being 6'5.5 is almost zero is entirely your opinion and not completely true, considering that he can often look 6'5+. And Barkley at 6'4.75 wouldn't put Shawne under 6'2.75 there, so still taller than his 6-2.4 "measurement". The same 6-2.4 "measurement" which, as I said, comes from a "fan site", whether you like it or not. I tried to contact the owner of the site to have more info about it, but he still hasn't answered me. Anyway, this is how the owner himself described his site on FB, so I don't see how you can still say that it's not a "fan site": Click Here And you said it right. You don't know the time of measurements for any of those athletes, so everything you said is just speculation, no matter if, in your opinion, the NBA combine is typically earlier in the morning than NFL's.
And although it might be true that only two pictures of Shawne and Vernon isn't enough to conclude that Shawne is a weak 6'4, they seem enough to me to conclude that Shawne is taller than him (and certainly not shorter). And if you still say that Vernon is taller, despite those two pictures, I could easily say that in my opinion Barkley is no more than an inch taller than Shawne, despite the picture you have posted (which, btw, is only one picture, while my pictures are two). And if you had any clue about camera tricks, you would have never brought up that terrible picture of them or even tried to say that Vernon is taller than Shawne, based only on that. Even if that was the only pic you could find with the two... You have no idea of how many pictures I have discarded because of that. And this thing also relates to what you said about Shawne looking anywhere between 6'1 and 6'4 and Boris looking anywhere between 6'2 and 6'5+. If you are aware of camera angles, camera positions and camera advantages, it is certainly not true that they can look over such a huge range.
And I don't know which athletes of known heights and celebrities you're referring to, but you're completely free to buy Mr. R's estimate. I personally would completely rule it out, based on what I've seen (which is a lot), and I would bet all the money I have that he's easily taller than that...
Editor Rob
As a one off, this is from Nov 7th to the earliest Click Here.
Canson said on 17/Jan/18
@Andrea: exactly like I said in “my” last few posts about you. Exactly that defines and personifies you
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 17/Jan/18
@Andrea

If you don't believe me, ask Rob to retrieve the old comments (if that's possible) since you're keep calling me a liar. I brought the boyfriend thing up a month later AFTER you brought the prostitute thing up to show your hypocrisy because you're no better.
And I never said that posters allegedly meeting celebs is evidence. Viper and Canson's acquaintance both said they met Shawne and said he looked 6'2" and shorter than 6'3" respectively. I'm not using those as solid evidence, but rather a clue that Shawne's around 6'2". Just as I've done with Boris. You can't actually prove that Shawne and Boris are around 6'2" and 6'3" unless you meet them in person yourself, so the closest thing to evidence is by way of pics, clips, or reading people's posts about claiming to have met them.
And sorry but if a guy claims 6'4.75" at least twice, there's a very good chance of him not being any taller than that. Let's be honest, the chance of Barkley being 6'5.5" is almost zero. It makes no sense for a 6'5.5" basketball player to claim 6'4.75" especially being that taller is seen as better in basketball. I believe he was being honest with his claim. Barkley at 6'4.75" would put Shawne at best 6'2.5", which is very similar to how he measured at the Pro Bowl at 6'2 3/8". Btw, it's an official measurement by the NFL, not some "fan site" like you claim. And I know the time of measurements is speculation, but the NBA combine is typically earlier in the morning than NFL's. There's a greater chance for a NBA player to get measured an inch higher than their lowest heights (especially with NBA rounding up 1/8" fractions) than for a NFL player to get measured 3/4" taller than his lowest.
And I never disregarded the two pics you posted with Shawne and Vernon. I think they're alright pics, although only two pics with Shawne looking taller than 6'3" Vernon isn't enough to conclude that Shawne's weak 6'4", as there are many pics where Shawne looks 6'2"-6'3". And I used the pic with Shawne and Vernon that Checker/Viper posted as a hint that Shawne's shorter than Vernon (which the camera angle's not that good), because at the time it was the only pic I could find with the two. But I still stand by my opinion that Vernon's actually taller than Shawne. And like just about any other celeb, they're gonna look taller or shorter in certain pics. There are some pics where Shawne looks as short as 6'1" and others tall as 6'4". Just like some pics where Vernon looks below 6'2" and others over 6'4". And just like some pics where Boris looks 6'2" and others 6'5"+.
And I have no reason to doubt Mr. R's 6'3.25" estimate for Boris because he looks around that height next to athletes of known heights and as well as some celebs.
Andrea said on 16/Jan/18
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that it was just a tongue-and-cheek remark, Christian. Just like every other thing he said to those posters he disagreed with throughout these years, LOL. And, as I said, you keep lying. I never felt insulted by Canson's trash talk and, in fact, I never mentioned it before the day you started to play the "I am good and you are bad" card. The only reason why I brought it up was to show your hypocrisy in doing that. Keep believing in what you say, though. As I said, I couldn't care less at this point.
And I don't know how many times I have to tell you, people "meeting" celebrities is not evidence. Again, who are these people who have met Shawne? How do you know they actually have met him in person? Do they have a good idea about height and how to gauge it in person? Many people also guessed a guy like Tom Cruise as 5'5 MAX "in person". This doesn't make him that short, though. Shawne certainly looks taller than just 6-2.4 with many MEASURED athletes, so I find it hard to believe that he's as short as that. With Barkley I wouldn't have guessed him over 2 inches shorter there, so still taller than 6-2.4. And no, I don't think that Barkley could be as tall as 6'6. The most I would argue is 6'5.5, but I'd safely rule out 6'6. Speaking of Shawne, I had another look at that site that listed his height as 6-2.4 (which seems the only place where he got described as low as that) and it's not even an official site, but a "fan site" run by a guy who somehow retrieves those data and puts them on it. So it's not even an official source, unlike nfldraftscout.com, but I guess that having Shawne down at 6'2-6'3 is enough to make it legit, right? Anyway, I'll be honest and say that I'm not completely sure about Shawne (like I can be about Boris), but 6'2-6'3 does seem too low next to many measured athletes, although I can appreciate how he can look as low as that at times. As for the time of measurements, that's just speculation. We don't know at what time (meaning how many hours out of bed) any of these athletes (Shawne, Dwayne and Pique) were measured, so it makes no sense to say that Shawne can't be as much as 2 cms under his measurement and at the same time that Dwayne can be as much as an inch under it.
And I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself, but I never used Viper's thought about that picture of Boris with Magic as proof that Boris is 6'4. What kind of proof would that be? LOL Besides the fact that, as I said, Viper never said that Boris is 6'4... And I honestly still don't see how this thing is connected to you saying that Shawne is 6'2 because, according to you, he looked clearly shorter than Vernon in that terrible picture you posted. What is even funnier is that now that I have posted 2 good pictures of them together, you simply disresgard them. And I could say the same thing you said for that picture of Shawne and Barkley. If you wanna still believe that his 6-2.4 measurement was legit, we can agree to disagree. But that means you also have to put Vernon at barely 6'2 now.
As for Vincent Pastore, as I said, I have seen nothing of him, but if he really looks more 5'9 than 5'10, based on the many photos I'm sure you have seen before submitting that comment, why don't you post those photos on his page, so that Rob can give him a more realistic listing? I'm sure it would be appreciated... ;)
As for Mr. R, I was pretty sure that you would have made that argument ("he overestimates but never underestimates") and I was waiting for it because it's not true. Mr. R also guessed 5'10.75 listed George Clooney as low as 5'9-5'9.5, 5'7.5 listed Mark Ruffalo as low as 5'6 and 5'10 listed Mark Valley as low as 5'7, just to name a few. So no, he doesn't just overestimate celebrities at times, but he also underestimates them. That being said, I respect him a lot because unlike many posters on here, he sounds like a genuine guy and he's never arrogant when he gives his estimates.
P.S. Canson, exactly like I said in my last post. Exactly that... :)
Canson said on 14/Jan/18
Viper/Checker has also met merriman in person so he could tell a difference of 6’2 and 6’4
Canson said on 14/Jan/18
@Christian: well said! I wasn’t close enough to Merriman to see exactly. But checker mentioned it earlier about the game that he attended and I believe it was the Miami game where I too saw Merriman. But I’ve axtually stood right next to Vernon Davis tho and he is 6’3” and have never seen any evidence to believe Merriman is taller than he is. Davis looks physically taller all the time. Now I don’t agree with all of Checker’s estimates such as Michael Irvin being only 6’0” because I’ve met Irvin and he was at most 3” (actually was more 2-3”) shorter than me and I believe I had boots on and he was prob in regular shoes which prob explained it. Irvin to me in person was 6’2” honestly. Maybe he’s lost height today but when I met him he looked about 6’2” still. Worst case 6’1.5 if I’m somehow off. but I do agree on Merriman esp with me knowing someone that has also met him and said that he is not as tall as I am and wasn’t even as tall as my 6’3” friend. Davis tho was for sure taller than Michael Irvin in person. Davis is every bit as tall as one of my friends who is 6’3” standing next to me. In fact I could argue Davis may appear taller but because he has good posture too. My friend is close to 60 and tho he still maintains his height well he may not always have perfect posture (but to his credit has very broad shoulders and is an ex CFL player). There’s always a chance someone had a slight footwear advantage but we were both in similar footwear from what I remember. He gives off a bigger impression on Tv than he actually is at times and he has supreme posture too. Also has a very typical build for a classic 6’3” meaning the legs etc. there’s always a chance he’s 6’2 7/8 being that the combine in 2006 was said to be at 6am (see article below that I posted to Checker) but Davis still looked 6’3” imho. So to me he prob isn’t under 6’2 7/8 esp being my friend is 190.4ish at a low at night

I agree with you on Dwayne Wade but honestly don’t even know if that was a bust a gut. That looks like an error where the shoe height was placed in the barefoot column and they simply added an inch for sneaks as my former AAU coach has met Wade (he was a NBA scout) and said Wade was maybe a hair taller than him. He himself is 6’2” by his own admission and said Wade is at “best” 6’3 but estimated him 6’2-6’3. That may also be coming from what he knows from people around the league. Not to mention my former coach knows Otis Smith GM from Orlando Magic very well and Smith said in a narrative describing Wade “he’s 6’4 on a good day”. That doesn’t describe a guy who is 6’3.75 even 6’3.5.
Canson said on 14/Jan/18
@Andrea: so if you’re going to challenge Viper et all meeting or estimating Shawne’s Height in person or pics why do you take Rising’s estimates for granted or put any measurable amount of consideration that they may be true? You just proved Christian’s point that you only take the estimates that support your narrative and disregard anything that contradicts it. And Viper’s estimate Before was “indicative” of Boris possibly being 6’4. I mean you can say what you want but why did you bring up that “even he said that could “look 6’4 with Magic” if you didn’t consider it to have weight or merit in your argument? Otherwise you shouldn’t have even mentioned it. Now that he has changed his estimate (as Checker) it must be “taken with a grain of salt”? And because Merriman doesn’t look near his combine height. Btw I see you mentioning his multiple usernames as something that should be held against him. Just like he said Merriman doesn’t deny the 6’2” claim I’ve never seen Checker deny it when someone has called him Viper. I’ve seen many posters and Rob call him Viper even under that username and he doesn’t say a thing. Not to mention his pictures and evidence prove Merriman isn’t more than 6’2”
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 14/Jan/18
@Andrea

I'm not saying that everyone who claimed to met a celeb is truthful or even if they're truthful they're accurate. There are some who gave crazy estimates, like 2+ inches more/less than what Rob lists. But I really have no reason to doubt people who claimed to have met Boris and say he's around 6'3", or people who met Shawne and say he's around 6'2". Those two figures are believable because they look those respective heights in some pics and in Shawe's case he was measured 6'2 3/8".
As for Junior31 claiming to have met Vincent Pastore and saying he's 5'9", I have no reason to think he's making up a lie because in a lot of the pics I've seen Pastore standing to celebs, he looks about 5'9" rather than 5'10", especially in his later years due to him shrinking.
As for Mr. R, it's also possible that he could've seen Wayne Brady from a distance so he couldn't gauge his height properly. I'm not gonna rule that out either. And there seems to be a pattern with Mr. R that he whenever he guesses a celeb's height wrong, he overestimates but never underestimates. Like Neil Patrick Harris and Michael Urie for example. And that's why I highly doubt he underestimated Boris when he met him and guessed him as 6'3.25"
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 14/Jan/18
@Andrea
And Canson's remark about you being a prostitute was tounge-and-cheek as well, but you took offense to that. That's when I brought the boyfriend remark up. You're the one that's lying here. I remember clearly that I brought it up after, not before. If you want proof, you go ask Rob yourself, don't beg me to do it.
And like I said, it's extremely unlikely that the 6'2 3/8" measurement was an error, one reason is because people met Shawne and said he's about 6'2" (including a friend of Canson's). Also Canson himself met him once but he said he was very far away so he couldn't exactly pinpoint how tall he looked.
And don't even begin to compare Wade's and Shawne's measurements. NBA and NFL do measurements at different times of the day. NBA does measurements that are sometimes 6:30AM while NFL combine takes place later in the morning. And I never disregarded or said Wade's 6'3.75" measurement was an error. I just don't believe he's nearly as tall as his measurement. He typically looks around 190cm next to players. The only way a 190cm guy would ever measure near 6'3.75" is immediately out of bed, but NBA players don't get measured straight out of bed. So Wade very well could've busted a gut during a measurement very early in the day and could've got 6'3 5/8" and just rounded up to 6'3.75" as the NBA doesn't use 1/8" fractions. As for Shawne, if you say he's 192cm, there's no way he can measure 194cm (by busting a gut or not), unless he slept inside the stadium and was measured immediately upon waking up, which is absurd. Players don't sleep the night inside the building before combine. And as I explained, the NFL combine takes place later in the morning than NBA. And Pique's situation is different because soccer measurements are sometimes done very early like the NBA.
And I'd love for you to explain how a "6'4 3/8" measured" Shawne looks about 2.5" shorter than a 6'4 5/8" Barkley. Click Here Let's face it, either Shawne's max 6'2 3/8" and Barkley's max 6'4 5/8", or Shawne's weak 6'4" and Barkley's 6'6"+. It's either one of the two, Andrea. And it would be foolish for you to believe the latter, because you're the same person who believes Barkley's 6'4.75", so don't inflate Barkley to 6'6" just to make Shawne a weak 6'4", now that Shawne looks 2.5" shorter than him. And let's just say if somehow, someway, Barkley was really the 6'5.5" that RisingForce thinks he is, it would still make Shawne 6'3" flat.
And I view any measurement as being reliable, whether it be from an article or from a draft document. The only time I question a player's measurement is when their height in pics/clips don't reflect their supposed measurements. The reason why Barkley's 6'4 5/8" is believable is because he looks around it in the majority of pics next to other celebs and players of known heights, and Barkley's teammates/coaches etc. described him as 6'4"-6'5" and 6'4". And the reason why Shawne's 6'4 3/8" is BS in my opinion is because he looks around 6'2"-6'3" and 6'2" in many pics, but to be fair he also can look as tall as weak 6'4" in other pics as well. But at least 2 people met him and said he's about 6'2". And if that's not enough, he was also measured 6'2 3/8" at the NFL Pro Bowl. If you wanna still believe that his 6'4 3/8" measurement was legit, we can agree to disagree. But that means you also have to put Barkley at 6'6"+ now.
And I was just pointing out your hypocrisy that it's ok for you to use Viper's (the poster who you refer to as a downgrader) 6'4" estimate for Boris as proof that he's 6'4", but somehow it's wrong for me to use the pic with Vernon and Shawne as a hint (not necessarily proof even) that Shawne's 6'2".
Canson said on 13/Jan/18
@Andrea: that’s exactly why both of us say that Wade is 6’2.75 next to other NBA players he doesn’t look 6’3.75.And that wouldn’t be an early morning measurement of course if he’s that low it would be a shoe measurement for him. He’s clearly 2” shorter than Kobe Barkley or Jordan and not even an inch on Westbrook and probably a full inch maybe 1.5” on Rose. I don’t see why you are attacking us on that when you discount Merriman measuring 6’2 3/8. As Christian said you choose whatever fits your narrative and accuse us of doing that. And you continuing to use Rising’s estimates and comment on what he says just proves what Christian and I both have said all along that are hypercritical sinxe you seem to preface your narrative with what he says and you accuse us of believing the posters that we want or “lying” when it doesn’t agree with your thoughts. You really have some nerve calling anyone a hypocrite. Again everyone here sees that you do exactly what you accuse us of yet you turn it around on us. It’s funny that you have attacked both Christian and me about doing that yet you continue to do that. Then when someone’s estimate doesn’t agree or coincide with yours that person’s estimate like Mr R or Checker/Viper shouldn’t be taken seriously or should be taken with a grain of salt. As far as what you said about Mr R on previous estimates if that is how tall he guessed the other celeb then that’s his opinion. Not everyone has to see things your way or agree with everything you say. However you only seem to respect the posters that do is what you clearly do. I mean when you tell me “Canson, if after all of these pics and things you still believe Boris is under 6’4, then I don’t know what to tell you” or “I thought you guys were reasonable but I guess not” that clearly shows it so no need to even speak on that anymore. But had Mr R said that Boris was 6’3.5 or 6’4 in person you would #1 believe him and use that as more proof that Boris is 6’4” in this argument and #2 you wouldn’t have even brought up his estimate about the other celeb that you did to Christian. That’s obvious with you.

As far as you comparing Boris and seeking opinions it’s very clear not only here but in other pages that you don’t have a mind of your own. You have gone to 3 or 4 other pages where you “seek reassurance” that Boris is 6’4 from Rob and other posters. Chi McBride Tyler Perry And Cena. You continue to ask Rob and other posters whether Boris looks 6’4” with that celeb. It’s clear as day so really you have no room to attack Christian or me.

Again, you harp on me sounding like a broken record when that is you actually referring to yourself. You say that I ignore your posts etc. I don’t. I just choose not to respond to some of the false claims that you make against me or Christian or the other jibberish that you post that isn’t pertinent to this debate. Much of it is for you to try to show why Christian and I cannot estimate height in your mind because our estimates don’t coincide with yours and why our past disagreements with other posters bolsters your argument when really you have no room to talk because you’ve engaged in arguments as well. And again I don’t care how many you’ve gotten into vs how many either one of us has because if you’ve gotten into any with other posters then it leaves you no room to critique anyone else. And this argument continues because you keep making false claims about both of us because we don’t agree with you or your estimates to try to “discredit us as posters” because That’s what you have to resort to when you have nothing else to say
checker said on 13/Jan/18
Shawne did not deny the 6'2 statement from Rudy Gay at all.
checker said on 13/Jan/18
Rudy Gay played basketball with Merriman and called him 6'2. Click Here

Either Shawne told him his height or he knows what 6'2 looks like.

Another fail from you Andrea.

And Merriman looks 6'1 a lot as I have showed. Id also love to show the pic of him with 6'6 Jamaal Wilkes where he looks barely 6'1 on even ground but it was a twitter photo and cant find it anymore.

A 6'2 guy like him is going to look 6'1 a good deal and sometimes as tall as 6'3.
Andrea said on 12/Jan/18
As for Mr. R, there's nothing wrong with taking his estimates for granted. You want to do it? Go ahead. I don't. And I even explained why. Although I think that Mr. R is a genuine visitor and that he's truthful when he says he has met this or that celebrity, I also think that some of his estimates are a bit hard to believe. I mean, Mr. R also guessed Neil Patrick Harris at 6'1 and Michael Urie at over 6' in person, just to name a couple. Does that mean that they were in lifts too, considering that I doubt they are over their 5'11.5 and 5'11 listings? Where is the common sense that you love talking about now? My explanation is that he simply overestimated them. Maybe he wasn't close enough, maybe he met them on the street (which is certainly the worst place to gauge heights), etc. It could be a lot of things... That's why I say that it makes no sense to base your estimates on what people that allegedly met celebrities say. First of all because people make up all kind of stories on the internet, especially on this site, and second of all because even if they're telling the truth (which doesn't happen as often as you'd think), this doesn't necessarily mean that their estimates are perfect (like in Mr. R's case). Not everybody is as good as Rob when it comes to guessing heights in person. But you (and even more so Canson) obviously seem to ignore these things... Comments like this prove it: Click Here I mean, a random guy says that he met this celebrity and that this celebrity is no more than 5'9 and you obviously take for granted both the fact that this poster really met this celebrity and the fact that his estimate is 100% correct by saying that it goes to show that a lot of Rob's listings are overlisted. Now, I haven't seen anything of this actor and, as far as I know, he may well be as tall as that poster says, but implying that he's shorter than his 5'10 listing just because a random guy says that he looked no more than 5'9 in person is quite foolish, to say the least.
Andrea said on 12/Jan/18
A tounge-and-cheek remark, Christian? That's exactly what my "you and your boyfriend Canson (or viceversa)" was meant to be and see what happened. Speaking of that, the only reason why I recycled that comment about the boyfriend incident in my last post is because you keep lying and saying that you brought it up to show my hypocrisy when I bashed Canson for calling me a prostitute, but it's not true because you did it way before that. In fact, it's really the opposite. I did bring the prostitute thing up just to show your hypocrisy when you decided to play the "I am good and you are bad" card. As I said, the post that "proves" what I'm saying is no longer here, but you can ask Rob if he still has the old comments somewhere, in case you don't believe me or think I'm making this up... But you know what? Say or think whatever you want. I honestly don't really care at this point.
And who said that Shawne managed to measure 2 inches taller with bust a gut measurement? All I said is that with a earlier+bust a gut measurement you may well measure 2 cms taller than what you are (at your normal low with a normal measurement). And that may well be Shawne's case. And I never said that the NFL purposefully fabricated that 6-2.4 measurement because I agree that it would make no sense. It could be just an error. And again with this "people met him and said he's 6'2 in person" thing... Who are these people? How do you know they actually have met him in person? Do they have a good idea about height and how to gauge it in person? If you mean people from this site, as I said, they're all Viper under different names, in case you are too unintelligent to understand it (don't worry, it's just a tounge-and-cheek remark :) ). And how is Vernon's picture "distorted"? Vernon is standing a bit closer to the camera, but the camera isn't low (unlike those pictures of Boris with The Game and Michael Jai White), so it's pretty much an ideal picture. And Shawne looks comfortably taller than him. Now, it is certainly hard to believe that Shawne was measured at 6-2.4 and Vernon at 6'3.25. It just doesn't add up! I haven't seen that much of Vernon, to be fair, but I certainly wouldn't guess him under 6'3 next to Obama, so I would say that Shawne's 6-2.4 measurement has a lot more chance to be wrong than Vernon's one. Besides the fact that I have posted many other pictures with other MEASURED athletes where he looks noticeably taller than 6'2-6'3. Are you trying to say that all their measurements are erroneous? LOL
And how is saying that Shawne could be more 6'3-6'4 at his low despite his 6'4 3/8 measurement funny? As I said, with a earlier+bust a gut measurement you can easily measure even 2 cms taller than what you are. Pique was measured just under 195 once. According to your logic, his low should be no less than 193.5-194, which I doubt, considering that it could even be less than 193, IMO. Plus, it's funny that you make that argument, given that you are the same guy who thinks that Dwayne Wade is 6'2.75, even though he was measured at 6'3.75. So you basically say that there is no way that Shawne can be as low as 6'3-6'4 if he was measured at 6'4 3/8, but at the same time Dwayne can even be 6'2.75 despite his 6'3.75 measurement. That's a classic Christian: hypocrite and incoherent. And I don't "disregard" Barkley's 6'4 5/8 "measurement". I just think that it's not enough to be considered an "official measurement". It is just a mention in one article, which says that Charles "was more like 6'4 5/8 than 6'6". How can you say that Charles was measured at 6'4 5/8, based only on that? Shawne's 6'4 3/8 measurement, on the other hand, doesn't come from just one article, but it comes from a site that is supposed to list MEASURED heights of NFL players, so it is a bit different. And the fact that you disregard Dwayne Wade's 6'3.75 measurement, but hold on to Charles's alleged 6'4 5/8 measurement clearly shows that you're biased. Speaking of them, it is a bit hard to believe both of their measurements, considering that Dwayne can easily look 2 inches shorter than Charles, like Rising showed, but I guess that it must be because Dwayne's measurement is erroneous. After all, a mention in one article is more reliable than a draft measurement, right?
And what's the connection between Viper's thought about Boris and Magic's picture and the fact that you brought up that terrible Vernon Davis's picture as the definite proof that Shawne is no more than 6'2? Hmm...
Andrea said on 12/Jan/18
LOL, Canson. You basically just proved what I said about you in my last post. You make excuses, you are biased, you are hypocrite, you have no clue about height differences and camera tricks, you lie, you have no credibility, you cherry pick photos and videos, you don't have a mind of your own (even though I would simply say you have no brain) and you think that what other people say is just an opinion, but at the same time you act as if what you say is the only truth on here, which brings you, most of the time, to insult those people who disagree with you. And you're obviously full of insecurities. The fact that you keep accusing me of things you're guilty of proves it. That's basic psychology.
And you make up a lot of things. Viper never said that Boris is 6'4. He just said that Boris looks at least 6'4 next to Magic, not that he is 6'4. If I'm not wrong, he always said that he's no more than 6'2 or 6'3, which could certainly explain, not that I care, why the Average Guess is so low :P 6'2 or 6'3, which is the same estimate he gave for Jared Padalecki. So, at least he's coherent with what he says, considering that a 6'2-6'3 estimate for Boris is just as believable as a 6'2-6'3 estimate for Jared. I'll give him that.
And the reason why I posted those photos and videos on John Cena's and Chi McBride's pages is because both of them can certainly be argued to be shorter than their listings next to Boris and those links I have posted speak more about John's and Chi's listings than Boris'. I certainly don't need people to tell me that Boris looks 6'4 next to them because first of all, as I said, I don't need consensus or people agreeing with me, unlike you, and second of all because it's quite obvious (at least to an unbiased person) that he looks 6'4 and, if anything, even taller than that, if you assume that both John and Chi are as tall as listed. You, on the other hand, tried to continue this debate on The Game's and Charles Barkley's pages, by saying that they make Boris look no more than 6'3 and by hoping that some other people came on their pages and said that you are right and that Boris is as tall as you say. So, once again, you accuse me of things you're guilty of. That doesn't surprise me anymore, though. That's typical of you character.
As for Shawne, my estimate for his height has nothing to do with Boris. If I thought he could be as low as 6'2, I'd have no problem to admit it. I mean, I know that there is a photo of Boris with Shawne, where he looks a bit taller than him, but again there is a "similar" photo of Armie Hammer with the same Shawne, where he looks no taller than him: Click Here Click Here So saying that Boris isn't over 6'2-6'3 just because Shawne is 6'2 is like saying that Armie isn't over 6'2 just because Shawne is 6'2. Although Armie may well be closer to 6'4 flat, I certainly doubt he's as low as 6'2...
And how I am "so unsure of myself now that there actually is evidence that Boris is below 6'4."? What are you even talking about? LOL If anything, now that I have seen more photos and videos of him than what I had before this discussion, I'm even more sure about this listing. And I repeat what I said in the past: if he ever turned out to be as low as 6'3 flat (let alone under), I would be so shocked that I probably would never come back on here for the embarrassment. Why? Because I've certainly seen enough (probably more than any other celebrity now) to completely rule it out. If you rule out the possibility of him wearing lifts or every other celebrity he appeared with being noticeably shorter than their listings, I would bet all the money I have that he's comfortably taller than 6'3. The reason why I say that I would never come back on here for the embarrassment is because it never happened so far that I overestimated (or underestimated) a celebrity by an inch (let alone over), but, as I said, basically all celebrities that I have "challenged" in the past turned out to be as tall as I said when Rob eventually met them. I guess I've been just "lucky"... And for the record, I have seen a lot less stuff of those celebrities than what I have seen of Boris. So, if anything, I'm a lot more sure about him than how I could have been about those celebrities.
P.S. The only reason why it takes me a while to reply at times is because unlike you, I have a life and I don't spend my days behind a monitor. I know that that word probably means nothing to you, but I suggest you to do the same. Get a life, Canson. After all, didn't you say that you already are in your thirties? I'd say it's about time, especially considering that you act, think and speak like a 10 years old kid.
Canson said on 11/Jan/18
@Christian: to be fair in all of this a lot of people here use that Barkley wasn’t ever measured tho. At least Andrea trusts that he isn’t over 6’4.75. I’ll give him that. I mean I’ve seen some craziness with people saying the measurement didn’t actually take place and usually just to make people taller. But you say it well and the same as I always have with Barkley people and many many people on the net and few people I know have met him and more often than not he’s 6’4-6’5 range. Even people taller than him say the same so the eye level excuse I’ve seen on here doesn’t fly either. I’ve also seen it where people like teammates etc say he’s 6’4” so that leads me to believe 6’4.75 could be a bit earlier and he may only be 6’4.5 or so at a low. He is heavy tho so maybe he’s 6’5.25-.5 out of bed but even so he could be down to my height by nighttime on the flip side
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 11/Jan/18
@Canson

True. And Andrea made yet another excuse when he said that Barkley's 6'4 5/8" measurement was possibly a typo. And what's also funny is that he holds dear to Shawne's erroneous 6'4 3/8" listing but at the same time he also estimates him at weak 6'4" or 6'3"-6'4" (basically 6'3.5"), which is contradicting because a player isn't gonna be nearly an inch shorter than what he measured at the combine. At most it's like 3/8" or 1/2" shorter like you said. If Shawne's really 6'3.5" or weak 6'4", then he would've been measured 6'4" flat at most at the combine.
The fact that Andrea disregarded Barkley's 6'4 5/8" and Shawne's 6'2 3/8" measurements, but holds on to Shawne's erroneous 6'4 3/8" measurement, clearly shows that he's biased.
Canson said on 10/Jan/18
@Christian: of course Andrea does everything you said he does. He repeats himself with both of us accusing us of the same things he does. He does so and tries to play victim and accuse other people to put light on what they do in order to deflect the attention away from himself. That is the same thing as he has done here by bringing up past disagreements we’ve had as that is somehow evidence here about Boris being 6’4” or makes our estimates less credible or even worse our opinions and posts. Essentially he does it to make us less credible as posters.

I agree Andrea does write very well. What’s fair is fair but when the writing is all in vein and is simply to make himself look better and try to look make us look bad it is cancelled out. It is also because he takes the time to spell check and uses a computer whereas I use a phone as do others which autocorrect and cause errors in grammar and structure. It’s like anything we say at this point that is pertinent to this argument is discredited is how I feel because his mind is made up that He’s right across the board. This doesn’t include the stuff that we are saying amongst each other critiquing. These are the facts we’ve presented here pertaining to the argument where they are always wrong or discounted or he makes an excuse to discredit or diminish them.

At the end of the day, all of us have said stuff to each other (you not as bad as he or I have) but for Andrea continuously attack and say that either of us select which assessments on height that a poster chooses where he is clearly doing the same with Checker/Viper (first it was potential evidence that Boris is 6’4 now it’s not because he doesn’t believe he is and admitted it), not to mention me with Moe and Bobby3342 where I was accused of doing the same thing that he is with Checker and Rising Force. I didn’t agree with Moe and his assessments on most of his celebs (nor did Andrea and he even said he lost credibility) yet I’m the one who is in the wrong. And you and I have both debated with Rising. While i also respect him, I don’t agree with any of his estimates on the basketball players. All are at least half inch too high some even more than that. But his estimates become convenient because Barkley being or looking a full 6’5” or more make Boris 6’4” like he says he is. That’s fine and dandy. At least you don’t see either of us running to Rob and other posters to see if Boris looks 6’4” next to McBride or Cena or saying that we would never come back to this site if we lost the argument.
Canson said on 10/Jan/18
@Andrea: if I have to hear “you already told me” one more time. I swear you’re the broken record. You act as if what you say is gospel or you are authority here. That’s why Christian and I don’t respect you nor do we take you seriously. You are very annoying and sound like an annoying pest here who is very childish because we aren’t seeing it your way that you’re dragging this on. And in your response back to Christian where you would’ve ended this you won’t. I know you. You will not end it until either Christian or I don’t respond back to you or until we agree or until Rob meets Boris and confirms he’s 6’3 or under.

Of course that along with the fact that you’re clearly a hypocrite saying we do things you do (you say we can’t estimate height because it doesn’t align with your estimates or say that one of us is lying about a height difference because we don’t see it the way you do). You fail to mention any of that to either of us. Instead you bring up our past disagreements with other posters to help your argument. It’s funny you bring up Vincent Jackson in Checker’s pic having a “huge camera advantage” yet in your video with Boris and Brady Boris was in the same position as he was yet we didn’t hear anything about that. Jackson is no more favored than Boris was. And I know that this is the only part of my response that you will critique. I see exactly what you do you don’t immediately respond to parts of Christian or my arguments instead you wait and do so once you have formulated an excuse as to why it’s not true or you diminish it. Everyone here sees exactly how you are and that you clearly don’t have a mind of your own Andrea. Not to mention you are incredibly stubborn. If Christian and I are proven wrong either of us will admit it. You however said you would run away and never come back to this site. So that just supports you being stubborn and you continuing to insult us hoping we will just back away. Next time don’t force your opinions down people’s throats like you do. No argument I’ve ever had here or Christian has lasted as long as this one has with you. No argument anyone has had here has.
Canson said on 10/Jan/18
@Checker: Andrea sees them. It’s just that, as Christian says, he only chooses the pics and statements of others, or other overall evidence that support his narrative. There is an excuse for every pic where Boris or Merriman look under 6’4 or specifically 6’3 or under, which in turn make Boris look too short for his argument. There is also a reference to anyone whose estimates support his narrative or where he agrees with their estimates such as when you (posted as Viper) believed that Boris could look 6’4” with Magic but now that your evidence contradicts his beliefs, it must be “taken with a huge grain of salt”. I could respect Andrea’s views if he respected mine yours and Christian’s but he clearly doesn’t and didn’t make excuses when Boris doesn’t look 6’4 or when Merriman doesn’t look 6’3-6’4. But instead He insults all three of us if our views don’t coincide with his. He won’t admit when he is wrong as was evidenced when he said “if Boris turns out to be 6’3 or less if Rob were to meet him, he would never come back to this site out of embarrassment”. Not to mention look at John Cena Dennis Haysbert or Chi McBride’s pages (especially Cena and McBride) he is clearly fishing for Rob and other posters to tell him that Boris is 6’4” compared to both of those guys. He lacks his own confidence to figure it out on his own.

I mean some common sense here, if Merrriman were 6’4 3/8 even in the morning, he wouldn’t be a “weak 6’4” at a low like Andrea says unless that 6’4 3/8 were an out of bed measurement. Typically the combine measurements are only 3/8 or 1/2” higher than out of bed measurements are. So he may be 6’3 7/8 or 6’4 which is a solid 6’4” as there is no difference in appearance between them. That’s just another excuse that he makes in an ever increasing laundry list here in this debate. He won’t accept the fact that Merriman is 6’2” instead that measurement is “likely the one with the error” because in his mind Merriman looks 6’3-4”. Funny part is I though the same about Boris and Merriman. Never believed Boris as 6’4” but first time I posted on him thought 6’3.5 possibly or 6’3-6’3.5 but now I don’t. And remember I thought Shawne was about 6’4” but clearly he’s not. At least when I’m wrong and it’s the same for Christian having interacted with him over the last 3 years I’ve been on here, we will both admit if we are wrong but wrong means solid, clear evidence that we are. Meaning beyond reasonable doubt which isn’t the case with either Boris or Merriman for us to be wrong. There is not enough evidence in our minds to believe either guy is close to 6’4”. It’s just that Andrea believes he is so anyone who doesn’t is stupid. He posted pics where he can look it but in your pics along with ours he doesn’t. But our pics are defective because Merriman and Boris don’t look “6’3-6’4” or 6’4
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 10/Jan/18
@Andrea
Obviously you couldn't see that I was just making a tounge-and-cheek remark. If you were too unintelligent to even differentiate Jamie and Tatum, then you definitely couldn't have written lengthy comments like these. I gotta give you credit, because you have better grammar and sentence structures than the majority of the posters here. You may not be unitelligent, but you're too uptight and need to chill out, as proven by your response to the tounge-and-cheek joke I made.
As for Shawne, no way he can "bust a gut" to make himself 2 inches taller to be measured 6'4 3/8", so that argument about him purposefully making himself taller can be completely ruled out. And let's just say hypothetically if the NFL purposefully fabricated one of those measurements, it would make much more sense to fabricate the 6'4 3/8" rather than the 6'2 3/8", because like I said, taller is seen as more advantageous especially in a position like Linebacker. If one of those measurements was an accidental error (which I believe), I highly doubt that the 6'2 3/8" one is an error, and one of the reasons why is because people who met Shanwe says he's about 6'2" in person, and it's not like 1 or 2 people met him, it's a lot, so it can't be a coincidence that they all mistook him as being nearly 2 inches shorter than he is. So that can only mean one thing. And it's that the 6'4 3/8" listing was a 2 inch error.
And the funny thing about that pic you posted, is that camera-wise it's about as distorted as the pics I posted with Boris and The Game/Michael Jai White. Yet you're silent about the bad camera positioning in this pic just because it favors your narrative. And you can't call me a hypocrite either, because at least I acknowledged that those pics I posted had some slightly bad camera positioning. But I don't see you acknowledging about the camera positioning in this one.
As for Barkley, just because he looks 6'5"+ in some pics, doesn't mean that he's actually that tall. Same goes with Shawne, he can look a weak 6'4" in some pics such as the ones you provided, but that doesn't mean he's a weak 6'4" in reality.
And why are you keep posting the same stuff over again? This is now the third time you posted this paragraph (although some words you added). Please come up with something new, it's getting pretty boring lol. And also try to be original when you make an argument. You literally stole my "You're a lost cause" remark. Goes to show that you don't have a mind of your own, but that doesn't surprise me.
And it's hypocritical for you to criticize me when I said that you used Viper's 6'4" estimate for Boris as some type of proof that he'a 6'4", yet you did the same thing when you accused me of using Vernon's pic with Shawne as proof that he's 6'2".
And what's wrong with taking Mr. R's estimates as granted? After all, he's a credible and truthful poster in your own words. So now you're calling him a liar now? And for the record, he's 5'11 3/8" himself, so he knows how tall a 6'0" guy is gonna look since that's very close to his height. If he's gonna guess someone as precisely as "a bit over 6'3"" (like he did Boris), then no way he's gonna mistake a 5'10" or 5'11" guy like Wayne for 6'0". So the only logical possibility is that Wayne wore lifts to the point where he looked 6'0" at that event which Mr. R met him.
checker said on 9/Jan/18
Merriman looks shorter than 6'2 Suge Knight at the 1:16 mark. Click Here
checker said on 9/Jan/18
Over 10 years ago I posted several pics from Merrimans myspace where Vernon was taller. One was at the 2008 Espys.

There was video on youtube of Vernon and Merriman being interviewed on the red carpet and Vernon looked 6'4 next to 6'2 Merriman.

Anyway, Merriman doesnt deny the 6'2 statement from Rudy Gay. Sorry Andrea.
Canson said on 9/Jan/18
Sorry Andrea, you are "accusing me of doing the things you actually do". This actually fits you better than it does Christian or me. You're still bringing stuff up that I did in the past for some reason. IT has nothing to do with this argument and I don't get what you are trying to do other than to find other ways to attack me since you obviously are making no sense here and have no response or any valid points left in you in this debate. Clearly, you're the one calling Christian and me stupid or me a liar because my estimate does not coincide with yours or saying that you must take Checker's estimate with a grain of salt because it doesn't align with yours. That is exactly what you just accused me of doing. So if you want to call me a hypocrite or say what I'm doing wrong, you must first look in the mirror. Nothing you say is a fact. And you actually did call Christian and me boyfriends before I called you a prostitute. I am 100% certain about this just as you are 100% certain that it is not true. So to be honest, you critiquing Checker's pictures, you have no common sense, your pics are no better than his, it's just another one of your world famous excuses about someone being favored because it disproves your point. You have made an excuse now about Jamie Foxx wearing lifts, about people standing on tip toes, having camera advantages, diminishing height advantages (Kobe and Boris is more than a 3 CM difference, sorry). You always run to Rob or someone else in order to prove your point or support your point which makes it "a fact in your mind". However, it's still an opinion. However, anything that contradicts what you think or how you feel is a "lie" or "wrong". I mean you were also the one that said that you "would be embarrassed if you found out Boris were 6'3 or under and never come back to this site out of embarrassment" and also "If after all of this, you still believe Boris is under 6'3, I give up" or that "because Viper who downgrades people believes Boris is 6'4" like it Is proof he did. Don't make excuses now because you did clearly say that. Now it's "You must take Checker/Viper's estimates with a grain of salt". Or because "Rob says something it must be true". Oh and you are also the one who is running to other pages very "casually" soliciting other's opinions on whether Boris is as tall as Chi McBride or John Cena etc because you are so unsure of yourself now that there actually is evidence that he is below 6'4. Even you saying he may be 192 cm is under 6'4 but I'll leave that alone.


Either way, you've not only proven that you don't respect others opinions, you have also proven that you lack confidence in yourself since you have to run to other people to do your thinking for you, you make a ton of excuses, you bash people who don't agree with you, and you are purely a hypocrite. So no don't go and call Christian a lost cause because all of that clearly describes the person you are.
Andrea said on 8/Jan/18
I never said that Akon is standing on his tiptoes for sure, Christian. All I said is that you can't rule it out in a picture like that... And calling Channing Jamie was clearly a typo, but you're probably too unintelligent to understand it... :)
As for Shawne, it's pretty clear that one of those two measurements must be wrong because there is no way that a person can measure both 6-2.4 and 6'4 3/8. And I could say the same to you: "are you saying that the latter measurement's fake and made up, or that Shawne purposefully made his body taller during the measurement?". As Rob said, sometimes errors occur. If you think that the correct measurement is the 6-2.4 one, I could even respect it, but don't say that it is a fact because I posted many photos of him with MEASURED athletes where he looks comfortably taller than that, despite you saying that "he looks about 6'2" next to measured athletes as well, not just 6'3"-6'4", when it's not really the case. And it's funny how you brought up that Vernon Davis' picture with him more than once in the past, as some kind of definite proof that Shawne wasn't more than 6'2 (despite the "quality" of it), but now that I have posted a good picture of them together where Shawne clearly looks no shorter and in fact a bit taller than him, you simply disregarded it. And in case one picture is not enough, here's another one, which is probably even better than the first one because it's a full body shot photo: Click Here If Shawne really was as low as 6'2, that would make Vernon sub-6'2...
As for Barkley, I understand your point, but that 6'4 5/8 figure still doesn't come from an official measurement and it may well be a typo, as far as we know... You're right about one thing, though. Charles himself has claimed 6'4.75 and I cannot ignore it. I mean, why would he come out with such a precise number if he's taller than that? Hmm... All I know is that he can often look over 6'5, like Rising showed on his page...
And no matter how many times I tell you, you're still in denial that you didn't bring the boyfriends thing up to show my hypocrisy when I bashed Canson for calling me a prostitute. You did it way before that. In fact, it's really the opposite. I did bring the prostitute thing up just to show your hypocrisy when you started to accuse me of insulting you. How liar are you, LOL? As I said, I couldn't care less of that and I had NEVER mentioned it before. The only reason why I brought it up was to show your hypocrisy when you decided to play the "I am good and you are bad" card. That's all. Unfortunately the post that "proves" it is no longer here, but I'm 100% you did it. I remember I was going to end the discussion and you started to play the victim by bringing that boyfriend thing up again after over one month from when I told you that. If you don't believe me or you think I'm making this up, you can ask Rob to retrieve the old comments (if he still has them)... You're a lost cause, Christian.
And I never used Viper's 6'4 estimate for Boris as some type of proof. What kind of proof would that be? LOL Did you or did you not read my comment (which is something I already explained in the past, btw)? I did it "to show that even a guy like him who certainly has no hidden agenda in making someone taller than he is, given that he's very well known on here for downgrading everybody by at least 1-2 inches, thought that Boris looked at least 6'4 next to Magic. That's all.". As for Mr. R, what's not clear about "He has given some unbelievable estimates in the past (and I already remarked it way before this discussion)"??? As I said, I already remarked that some of Mr. R's estimates are a bit unbelievable, so it makes no sense to say that I do it just because I disagree about his estimates for Boris and Wayne, given that it is something I did way before this discussion. Once again, you jump to conclusions. And, as I said, you take for granted the fact that other people's estimates are 100% correct and the fact that you try to justify Mr. R's 6' estimate for Wayne, by saying that Wayne could have been in lifts, proves it. I have seen many photos and videos of Wayne and there's nothing that suggests that he's a lift wearer. Plus, he works with many tall and very tall guys on that Whose Line Is It Anyway show, so if he has never worn them there, I don't see why he should wear them at some events, like the one Mr. R went to...
Andrea said on 8/Jan/18
Canson, I already told you. Stop accusing me of things you're guilty of. The only one who doesn't respect other people's opinions on here is you. It's no coincidence that you've had so many fights throughout these years. And you've been on here for a lot less time than me. And it's funny that you say that everything is an opinion now, when you always act as if what you say is the only truth on here and you have bashed so many posters for their "opinions". Your hypocrisy is really limitless.
As for Shawne, unlike you, I have seen all the photos that have been posted and in many photos that Viper has posted, I wonder why, Shawne has a noticeable camera disadvantage (like those ones with Omar Benson and Nelson Rosario, or even that one with the same Vincent Jackson you mentioned, where the camera angle is favoring the other two guys), but I understand that these things mean nothing for you. And again, I don't see why you mention Larry English, considering that he looks comfortably shorter than Shawne from those photos, so, if anything, it proves my point.
And what I said about Rising was more a general comment. It has nothing to do with Barkley. What I meant to say is that his opinion is a lot more credible than yours because unlike you, he isn't biased at all and he has a very good knowledge about everything that concerns height. And a poster isn't reliable or not only because of his estimates. There's a bunch of posters that I consider very valuable on here, but whose opinions don't always coincide with mine. That certainly doesn't make them less reliable or respectable, though.
And yeah, I did say that I'm not a shoe expert because I don't have the arrogance to say that Boris' shoes are no thicker than Kobe's (like you did when you said that Boris' shoes are "clearly" noticeably thicker than Kobe's). All I said is that Boris's shoes don't look much different than Kobe's there, to me. Just like Barkley's shoes look at least a 1/4 inch thicker than Boris' in those picture, whether you like it or not.
As for Rampage, you are a broken record. I already told you that I always had my reason for saying what I said to him and I certainly don't regret it. As I said, go take a look at those pages where I had discussions with him and see who made things personal. And I certainly never insulted him like you did with most of the posters on here.
And unlike you, I don't need consensus or people agreeing with me because fortunately I'm a quite confident person. You, on the other hand, aren't able to have a single discussion without bringing your bff Christian up and you would be no one without him backing you up on almost every post. The only reason why I posted Boris' picture with John Cena on John's page was because John doesn't look much over his 6' claim next to Boris and I thought it was worth to be posted there, considering that there are some people who even think that John might be near 6'1 on his page... And you stick to the subject??? LOL Go visit Ray Fisher's and Wayne Brady's pages (just to name a couple) and see how much you stick to the subject, LMFAO. The only thing you stick to is the trash talk and the complete ignorance that marks you as one of the biggest jokes on here.
Canson said on 7/Jan/18
@Checker: no way he has close to 4” with Ray Lewis. We can’t see footwear but still that wouldn’t make a 4” difference

Click Here
Canson said on 7/Jan/18
@Checker: I agree with you on what you said. Merriman never looks above 6’2” or so. Yea we could argue maybe 6’2 and change in any pic but certainly not 6’3 let alone 6’4. With Davis he’s clearly shorter as well. Not even sure Davis measured 6’3.25 at his lowest but in person he’s not noticeably less than 6’3”. I mean he honestly looked a good 6’3 imho and that’s how he looks on tv and in game as well. A good 6’3”
checker said on 5/Jan/18
I wonder If Merriman told Rudy Gay his 6'2 height.

In Merriman's tweet back he didnt deny the 6'2 statement. So he basically admits hes 6'2.
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 4/Jan/18
@Andrea

I don't consider that pic with Akon and Boris as proof that Boris isn't more than 6'3". In fact, he looked closer to 6'2" in the pic, but that could be either due to footwear or the camera lens favoring Akon. But I would never say that Akon was standing on his tiptoes, because it's a very gross assumption.
And what's up with "As for Jamie, I agree that he doesn't seem to wear lifts next to Jamie, but for some reason he looks noticeably taller than 5'9 there (or Jamie noticeably shorter than his 6'0.5 listing, depending on how you want to see it)"? Either you made a mistake and typed Jamie instead of Tatum, or you're too unintelligent to differentiate the two.
And if Shawne was actually really measured at 6'4 3/8" at the Combine, then explain how he was also measured at 6'2.4" at the Pro Bowl. Are you saying that the latter measurement's fake and made up, or that Shawne purposefully made his body shorter during the measurement? Just to remind you, both Pro Bowl and Combine measurements are officially done by the NFL, so both are equally credible. And it would make no sense for the NFL to fabricate a fake measurement, or Shawne to purposefully make himself shorter in order to measure shorter, especially given that taller is better in a sport like football, especially with a position like Linebacker. If it's neither, then the only other possibility is that the Combine measurement listing had an error by 2 inches. And that's the one I go with.
In Barkley's case, he only had one documented measurement, and that's 6'4 5/8" at the 1992 Olympics. And the Olympics wouldn't just fabricate such a precise measurement. If Barkley was mentioned to be measured 6'5 5/8" in a separate article, then I could see a bit of a possibility for the 6'4 5/8" to be an error by an inch, but that's not the case at all. And the fact that he claimed to be 6'4.75" multiple times (although height claims should be taken with a pinch of salt), but it wouldn't make sense for him to downplay his height especially given that he's a basketball player. He also claimed 6'5.5", but that's a shoe height most likely.
And no matter how many times I tell you, you're still in denial that I mentioned the boyfriend thing a month later only to show your hypocrisy because you yourself brought up the fact that Canson called you a prostitute (which also happened quite long before you brought it up, so you have no room to critique me in bringing the boyfriend thing up a month later, hypocrite.) You're a lost cause, Andrea.
And you used Viper's 6'4" estimate for Boris as some type of proof that Boris' really 6'4", so yes, you do take what people here say as evidence. But only the ones that fit your narrative though. For example, you called Mr. R's estimates "unbelievable" just because you disagree when he met Boris and Wayne and said they're 6'3.25" and 6'0". We don't even know whether if Wayne was wearing lifts that could've made him appear 6'0" during the event which Mr. R met him. But it's certain that Boris' wasn't wearing lifts when Mr. R met him, since lifts would only make one taller, not shorter.
Canson said on 4/Jan/18
@Andrea: I didn’t say Rising has anything to do with Bobby. My point is you say Rising’s more reliable a poster only because his estimates align with yours. If his estimates didn’t coincide or support your stuff then i doubt you’d feel that way. As far as him being good with all of that stuff he is not perfect like you said. He has good ones and has some very questionable ones. Usually that is the case tho if you have one person off and compare multiple people the others are going to be off and it will be a chain reaction.
Canson said on 4/Jan/18
@Checker: that’s true because Cam wasn’t a true Senior given what happened at Florida when he was there under Urban Meyer behind Tebow with Cam and the Laptops so he was a junior when he left Auburn. As far as Pro Day and Combine I’ve seen it both ways. I’ve seen some pro days where they are taller or shorter (only by a hair) than the Combine. But see my one article below where in 2006 they were all measured nearly half inch taller than actual. Not sure if everyone was but most were and all four or five I mentioned were. I only brought up Cam because I’ve always wondered how tall he actually is. I can see him as 195cm more so than a full 6’5. I used to think 6’5. But if he measured that early he may not be. That could even make him 6’4.5 but I can see 195 as well as a friend of my cousin is 6’5 (have met him) and he said Cam was his height. He may have spotted half inch vs 1/4”. Cam also makes guys like Kapernick look that height. It’s also possible that the measurements aren’t always that early every year. If it’s 2 hours or more it’ll be a bit closer to actual. Maybe 1/4-3/8 above 1/4 ifits more than maybe 2-3 hours.but I respext a lot of what you say as a poster in terms of the Evidence you present as it is very relevant. Especially where you provided the estimate on Michael Sam on Rock’s page. That is logic in that a guy who is 6’2” isn’t necessarily too small for a DE. That was Sam’s biggest downfall (not his sexual orientation). His reality show didn’t help but it was after His lack of height as they said he was too short for a DE and at 6’1” that makes a lot more sense as there are many 6’3”ish DE’s in the league and if Sam stacked up to them as only about an inch shorter that wouldn’t be that big a deal. Sam next to Rock looks nothing over maybe 186cm imho
Canson said on 4/Jan/18
@Andrea: the entire reason this has dragged on as long as it has is because you don’t respect anyone’s opinions only yours. Case in point “you already told me that the pic with Shawne and Vernon Davis is a bad pic”. Ok that’s your opinion. You aren’t the only one who exists here. But there are multiple other pics that you obviously (as you accused Christian and me of doing) ignored. You didn’t mention anything about the pic with Vincent Jackson who is clearly 2” taller minimum or English or the other guys that Checker posted. And yes you did say way back in this debate like you mentioned about him seeing Boris as 6’4” and you did use that as a “reason” why others should believe he is 6’4”. It was very clear. The post is now gone so that’s the last I will mention because it’s gonna be yet another argument. But what Christian said below is absolutely corrrct had Checker/Viper not posted those pics or changed his estimate you wouldn’t have even brought up the part about taking his estimates with a grain of salt. And as far as you agreeing with Rising’s estimates over mine I can care less. You will take anyone’s estimates that support your argument or that fit it to make your points. I haven’t seen any evidence where Barkley looks well over 6’5” maybe a full 6’5” but his teammates coaches others in the league along with people who have met him know how tall he is better than you me Christian or Rising do so if it comes down to believing them vs you then that’s easy as well on my part. You don’t give anyone a reason to believe you or even listen when you deflect attention the way you do, make excuses and belittle. Such as claiming Foxx wears lifts or that some people stand on their tippytoes etc when there is no evidence and no im not talking about Padalecki. And you commenting on Barkley having a footwear advantage you were the one who said you aren’t an expert in shoes. That was back on 03 November 17. Go look if you don’t believe me. Oh But I forgot that was when Boris had the footwear advantage on Kobe so of course you play dumb there and don’t see it because it discredits your argument. Of course if that had been me, you would’ve accused me of lying as would be the same with Christian. You’d be accusing both of us of that if we don’t see the same thing. Yet with Barkley even tho you aren’t a shoe expert it’s the first thing you brought up as an excuse about the height difference trying to diminish it. So no need to say anything more about that. It’s very evident.

And as far as Rampage you have had more than one argument with him. You going into the arguments that Christian and I have gotten into with other posters, at this stage, is just another reason for you to continue to play “victim” which is what you are good at because you see that no one is siding with you or just agreeing with you and shutting up. Unfortunately this is an opinion based site so that isn’t gonna happen. It seems as if you are doing that to try to discredit us as posters rather than focusing on this debate or even worse trying to get people to step into to the argument to protect you or go against you so that you can use their comments against us to feel validated. It’s just like you going onto other pages such as Cena’s asking every poster in a very indirect way of Cena makes Boris look 6’4”? It’s very clear you’re “fishing” there. That’s why I say you don’t have a mind of your own. You don’t see Christian or me doing that. We stick to the subject. You presented your evidence and tried on your part but when we argued against it all you got very defensive, personal, and then attacked us. And accused us of doing what you did and do. Which is hypocritical.

As far as the comments about me calling you a prostitute that was after you called us boyfriends. Just because you say it wasn’t doesnt make it true. It again is anything you say is gospel and anything anyone else says is stupid or a lie if it isn’t consistent with your views. Of course you will take anything anyone says that supports anything you mentioned here such as Charles Barkley being above 6’5 etc. and now you’re saying that the measurement isn’t true?

My bad you did mention English and made an excuse for it yet some of your pics with Boris looking 6’4 supposedly are aligned the same in terms of layout but those are good pics?
checker said on 4/Jan/18
Rudy Gay's tweet about Merriman being 6'2 Click Here
Andrea said on 4/Jan/18
Even if Jared's feet weren't visible, you could have easily told that Jared was standing on his tiptoes. And I never jumped to conclusions. All I said is that in a picture like that you can't rule it out, considering that you seemed to consider it like the definite proof that Boris isn't more than 6'3. As for Jamie, I agree that he doesn't seem to wear lifts next to Jamie, but for some reason he looks noticeably taller than 5'9 there (or Jamie noticeably shorter than his 6'0.5 listing, depending on how you want to see it). Just like he does in that picture with Boris...
And the difference between Shawne and Barkley is that Shawne's measurement appeared on an official site, which is supposed to list MEASURED heights of NFL athletes, while Barkley' one is just a mention in an article, so I don't see how you can say that Barkley's was measured at 6'4 5/8. That being said, you can certainly say that Shawne's 6'4 3/8 is erroneous, but that's just your opinion. And people saying that Barkley is 6'4.5 or 6'4/6'5 certainly is not evidence. Again, who are these people? Have they met him in person? Do they have a good idea about height and how to gauge it in person? Once again, you take all of that for granted.
And I don't know how many times I have to remind you, but you didn't bring the boyfriends thing up to show my hypocrisy when I bashed Canson for calling me a prostitute. You did it way before that. In fact, it's really the opposite. I did bring the prostitute thing up just to show your hypocrisy when you started to accuse me of insulting you. How liar are you, LOL? As I said, I couldn't care less of that and I had never mentioned it before. The only reason why I brought it up was to show your hypocrisy when you decided to play the "I am good and you are bad" card. That's all. Unfortunately the post that "proves" it is no longer here, but I'm 100% you did it. I remember I was going to end the discussion and you started to play the victim by bringing that boyfriend thing up again after over one month from when I told you that. If you don't believe me or you think I'm making this up, you can ask Rob to retrieve the old comments (if he still has them)... And the reason why I bring up old stuff of you and Canson is to show your hypocrisy, certainly not to play the victim like you did with that boyfriend thing.
P.S. Once again, you jump to conclusions. I NEVER take what random people on here say as gospel (or as some kind of evidence). Just because you're used to do it doesn't mean that everybody must do the same. Especially if these people are Viper... Same thing for Mr. R. He has given some unbelievable estimates in the past (and I already remarked it way before this discussion), but I respect him and I think he's a lot more truthful in what he says than many people on here. Mr. R also said that Wayne Brady is a "full blown 6 foot" in person, but I still think that he's 5'11 MAX. If I really wanted to "make" Boris as tall as at least 6'4 (or over in this case), I would have taken that estimate as gospel as well. In fact Wayne at 6' would put Boris at over 6'5. I didn't, though. I didn't because, from what I've seen, Wayne doesn't look over 5'11 to me and I wouldn't be surprised if he dipped a fraction under it.
Andrea said on 3/Jan/18
Canson, for the last time, I've never insulted anyone on here. You did it a lot, though. Not only with me. You mentioned 6'3, bobby and Rampage. All I said to 6'3 (that, at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if turned out to be Viper, under one of his many names) and bobby was calling their estimates bad estimates. Where are the insults? As for Rampage, I honestly don't remember if I've ever "insulted" him, but again go take a look at those pages where I had discussions with him and see who made things personal. As I said, I don't regret anything I've said to him. So stop saying I insult people and accusing me of things you're guilty of. Again, your comments speak for themselves. You are one of the most toxic posters on here and most of the time it happens just because you can't accept that people disagree with you.
And yeah, I did mention Viper in the past when he said that Boris looked at least 6'4 next to Magic. Not as some kind of proof (I certainly don't need it), but to show that even a guy like him who certainly has no hidden agenda in making someone taller than he is, given that he's very well known on here for downgrading everybody by at least 1-2 inches, thought that Boris looked at least 6'4 next to Magic. That's all. Let's not forget that Viper is the same guy who insists that a guy like Michael Irvin, that you said you met and looked around 6'2 in person, is no more than 6'...
As for Shawne, I don't see how you can still say that he looks no taller than Larry English, when he actually looks comfortably taller than him. And it's funny how you basically disregarded every picture I have posted (which is typical of you) because in your mind Shawne already is no more than 6'2 range. What about Vernon Davis? I know that you or Christian posted that photo of him with Shawne which, in your opinion, was the definite proof that Shawne can't be over 6'2. If you remember well, I said that that picture with Vernon was quite bad and really proved nothing, considering that it was being shot from a very bad angle and that there was even some tilt in Vernon's favour. Of course, given that you seem to have no clue about things like camera angles and camera advantages, you probably thought/think that it's just an excuse, like you always do... It would certainly be interesting to find a good photo of them together though, considering that you said that you met Vernon and that he looked a decent 6'3 in person... Oh wait, look what I just found: Click Here :) Now, if Shawne really was as low as 6'2, that would make Vernon a weak 6'2. And I dare you to deny it (even though, with you, you never know)... Again, look at him with listed 6'4.5 Armie Hammer: Click Here As I said, somewhere between 6'3 and 6'4 is quite possible for Shawne and maybe he got measured around that 6'4 3/8 mark very early in the morning and maybe with a bust a gut measurement, kinda similar to how Pique, who I think could be closer to 192 at his low, managed to measure almost 195 once.
And what has Rising to do with bobby? You have this habit of making comparisons between things that have nothing to do with each other. Speaking of Bobby, the thing I accused you of was taking everything he says for granted (both the fact that he really met the celebrities he says he met and the fact that his estimates are 100% correct). And you seem to do that a lot on here (of course only when what they say is fine for you). As I said, first of all, people make up all kind of stories on the internet, especially on this site. So I would always take what they say on here with a large pinch of salt. And even if they're telling the truth (which doesn't happen as often as you'd think), this doesn't necessarily mean that their estimates are perfect. Not everybody is as good as Rob when it comes to guessing heights in person. As for Rising, I don't think he's ever met any celebrity. All I said was that, IMO, Rising is one of the best posters on here. He doesn't post things with bias, but only facts. And he has a very good knowledge about height differences, camera tricks, etc. Unlike someone else... Sure, he may not be a perfect poster like you say (nobody is), but there are good and bad posters. Many posters on here (that I won't name because I don't want to start new fights) are just big jokes to me. Only a small percentage of them are truly valuable, IMO. Rising certainly is one of them. And, as I said, he made some very good points on Charles's page for which Charles can often look over 6'5, whether you like it or not. I myself haven't seen that much of Charles, to be fair, but if it's your opinion against Rising's, I'm certainly gonna go with the latter one with my eyes closed.
Canson said on 3/Jan/18
@Checker: he’s clearly shorter than Both guys. The most I can buy for Merriman is 6’2 1/4 probably at his low but can look a classic 6’2 as well
Canson said on 3/Jan/18
@Christian: I agree and he also said Viper was both Free and checker. I know He’s Checker for a fact but Viper never denied it when Thereel and Vegas and Rob or anyone else called him Viper when he posted as Checker so don’t think he’s hiding it. But I think he gets a bad rep because people think he downgrades but to be honest I have more respect for him than many other posters because he backs up his claims with evidence where as many others here will just use pre draft claims and inflate others accordingly such as Charles Barkley or someone else to make someone say Dwayne Wade or the Rock or another celeb to be taller than they actually are. My only point to Andrea was that he initially said that “even Viper says Boris looks 6’4” whereas now VIPER as Checker says he’s 6’3 at best and now the claim must be taken with a grain of salt. So everything you said I completely agree with.
checker said on 3/Jan/18
Tim Tebow only looks 6'0 with 6'3.3 senior bowl measured Marcus Spears Click Here

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Marcus Spears certaintly looks taller with him than 6'2 Merriman does.

Canson, Cam Newton never went to the senior bowl. Senior bowl measurements are usually the shortest, and pro day measurements are usually the highest, with combine measurements in the middle.
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 2/Jan/18
@Canson

Andrea just likes to pick and choose people's comments that fits his narrative. I guarantee you that if Viper said he sees Boris as 6'3", Andrea would've bashed him and said that he downgraded yet another celeb. And if someone like Cheker or Free or various posters said that Shawne looked 6'3"-6'4" in person, he would've took it as gospel. But because they said Shawe's 6'2", they should be "taken with a large pich of salt" according to Andrea. And if Mr. R said that Boris looked 6'4" in person, Andrea would've took it as gospel as well. But because Mr. R said that Boris was no higher than 6'3.25", his estimate was "unbelievable" according to Andrea.
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 2/Jan/18
@Andrea

You may make a good point, but the difference between Momoa and Padalecki is that there's proof Padalecki stood on his tiptoes because his feet are visible, while Momoa's aren't. So unless there's visible proof, I wouldn't jump to conclusions. Same goes with Jamie's pics. Unless there's another pic with Boris where his feet are shown and look like he wore lifts, I'll assume that he didn't wear them. And he has nothing to gain by wearing lifts next to a much taller guy like Boris, because he'll still be towered over regardless. It would make much more sense for him to wear them next to someone like Tatum who's only a few inches taller. And if he didn't even wear lifts next to Tatum, what are the chances of him wearing lifts next to Boris? Plus, he doesn't have a reputation of being a lift/elevator wearer, unlike guys like Tom Cruise, Robert Downey and Vin Diesel.
And Shawne's 6'4 3/8" measurement isn't any more credible or official than Barkley's 6'4 5/8". In fact, the NFL sometimes makes errors. I know a lot of players whose listing on their Couchscout are lower than Nfldraftscout. For example, Aaron Rodgers is listed 6'2" on Nfldraftscout Click Here but listed 6'1.5" on Couchscout Click Here and the 6'1.5" makes more sense since he looks no higher than than that next to everyone. But Barkley looks his 6'4 5/8" plus people say he's 6'4.5" or 6'4"/6'5" so I have no reason to doubt that measurement. And athletes can sometimes look taller than their measurements, like how Barkley can at times look 6'5"+, or how Shawne can at times look 6'3"-6'4" like the pics you provided, but that still doesn't negate their measurements.
And I don't know how many times I have to remind you, but I only brought it up a month later to show your hypocrisy when you got personal against Canson after he joked about you being a prostitute. And you still bring up stuff about Canson and I that happened like a half a year ago, such as when we argued with other posters in the past, so why is it that I'm not allowed to bring up stuff that happened only a month prior? Seems like you're playing the biggest victim here when you're so concered about our past so much.
Canson said on 2/Jan/18
@Checker: this article confirms at least in 2006 draft that the measurements were in the 6am hour which explains why they’re 1/2” or cm for some taller. Which makes sense as some will have lost Maybe 1/4” or so just from waking and going to take the drug test and that’s assuming the senior bowl measurements are a normal low but we can say they are close enough as most would likely only dip 1/8”

Click Here
Canson said on 2/Jan/18
Checker: seeing this there appears to be a cm to 0.6” difference between every player’s pro day and combine heights

Charley whitehurst 6’4.75/6’4.2
Jay Cutler 6’3.25/6’2.7
Marcedes Lewis 6’6 3/8 6’5.7
Nick Mangold 6’3 5/8 6’3.2
Deangelo Williams 5’9/ 5’8.4

These are just a few but it shows that they are either morning measurements or have been slightly inflated. There’s no way that all of these players grew half inch.

You’re from the DC area so you may be familiar with Chris Cooley’s show that he has on ESPN 980. He mentioned once that people’s heights are usually half inch taller than actual at the combine (didn’t mention anything about Pro Day disparity) but mentioned that they are measured half inch taller. However in regards to Merriman that is a pure discrepancy there as it’s 2 full inches above his Pro Day listing. I also remember reading an article about Joe Flacco where it said he stopped growing “just shy of 6’6”. That would make him 6’5 7/8 or 3/4. Someone who has met him said he’s 6’5/6’6 in person
checker said on 2/Jan/18
Found the Rudy Gay 6'2 quote at Merriman Click Here
Canson said on 2/Jan/18
@Checker: what did Cam Newton measure at the senior bowl? Some of the guys here measure apparently half inch below whereas others are within a fraction or so.
Canson said on 2/Jan/18
Good point Checker. He is no taller than Larry English. Merriman is 6’2 plain and simple. He’s clearly shorter than Vernon Davis who is for sure 6’3” in person like his combine measurement States.
checker said on 2/Jan/18
Andrea, the NFL officially documented Merriman measuring 6'2 at his pro day. Click Here

Just give it up.

Oh yeah, here he is on draft day Click Here next to 6'2.6 Luis Castillo and 6'4.3 senior bowl measured Vincent Jackson Click Here
checker said on 2/Jan/18
Better photo of 6'2 Merriman with 6'2 Larry English. Click Here

They look roughly the same height with Merriman having a footwear advantage Id say.
Canson said on 2/Jan/18
@Andrea: weren’t you the one who said “even Viper sees Boris as 6’4” a while back? And you prefaced that by saying he usually downgraded people In the past? And used that is more “possible evidence” that he is since Viper is used to downgrading people. I mean you said it early on and Christian and I both remember that. Yet now you’re saying we should take his estimates with a large grain of salt? Yet his measurement for Merriman is not an estimate that’s his pro day measurement. Not to mention had a pro basketball player refer to him as 6’2”?
checker said on 2/Jan/18
Some years ago on Rudy Gay's twitter 6'7 Rudy Gay tweeted to Merriman that "You play basketball like a 6'2 Jermaine Oneal".
checker said on 2/Jan/18
Kamerion Wimbley was measured at 6'3.3 at the senior bowl Click Here, and easily had an inch over 6'2 Merriman on that MTV show.

6'2 Merriman face to face with 5'11.5 Rampage Jackson. Click Here I dont even think Merriman looks a full 6'2 there.

When you are 6'2 like him you are going to look 6'1 sometimes and 6'3 sometimes in pics.
checker said on 1/Jan/18
Merriman with 6'5.5 Omar Benson. Click Here

Omar looks a good inch, maybe even more compared to Barkley.
checker said on 1/Jan/18
6'2 Merriman with 6'4 5/8 Barkley adds up Click Here

Compare it to Merriman with 6'5.1 Nelson Rosario Click Here

Merriman with 6'5.5 Click Here
Canson said on 1/Jan/18
@Andrea: I think Rising is a good poster too. However, his estimates on all of the basketball players and based largely off of a draft measurement. Some are accurate others aren’t. Take Dwayne Wade. He’s not 6’3.75. Look at him with Carmelo or Kobe. And That’s the case with a lot of people here and when Barkley makes them look shorter they automatically upgrade him when he’s not only been measured 6’4 5/8 but all of his teammates say the height that he is.

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Not to mention Moses Malone and Dr J have both said he’s 6’4”

But if you’re going to say he’s a credible or reliable poster that’s again an opinion that you are making a fact. There’s no such thing as a perfect poster. You say that Bobby3342 isn’t a reliable one in your opinion whereas in mine he is a credible and reliable poster as his estimates on who he has met all add up. So everything you say is a matter of opinion not fact. It seems as if you are doing the same thing you accused me of with Bobby3342 where I go off estimates that I like and ignore the ones I don’t. you are doing the same in my opinion.
Canson said on 31/Dec/17
Sorry Andrea but read my post from 12/29. That essentially sums this all up for you. And you saying you don’t insult people. You’ve insulted Christian Rampage Bobby 6’3” and me. So you’re a liar if you’re gonna tell us that we are. You wanna call someone a liar for not seeing the same height difference as you. I honestly believe that you believe your own lies or don’t believe you are lying yet people who disagree with you are Lying
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 30/Dec/17
@Andrea

Jason would had no reason to have stood on his tiptoes because he already towered over everyone in the photo and no one was close to his height so he had no reason to make himself look taller. It would be much more sensible for David to have worn elevator shoes or lifts, although I doubt that was the case. Please use common sense. And Jamie didn't wear lifts with Tatum, because as you can see in these pics, Jamie's feet don't look bulky or sitting on a weird high angle. They look normal just like any person's would without the use of lifts Click Here Click Here Click Here This pic favors Jamie somewhat but his shoes look normal Click Here He would've needed to wear about 2.5" thick lifts or 3.5" amount of footwear if you say that he wore them, which just isn't the case because if he wore them, his feet would've looked similar to how Rob's in his 3.8" shoes would look Click Here And if you can't tell how tall Boris would've looked if White and The Game had equal advantage, then you have no room to critique those pics as bad and "prove nothing". Btw, Boris looks about 6'2.5" next to 5'8" listed Usher with no camera differences Click Here but I guess Usher's standing on his toes too, right? LOL
And you took Shawne's 6'4 3/8" "measurement" for granted by saying that was his morning height and drop down to weak 6'4" at his lowest. Because after all, you believe his measurement to be legit. He looks about 6'2" next to measured athletes as well, not just 6'3"-6'4". And like I said, if he was really 6'3"-6'4", then he wouldn't have been mistaken for 6'2" when various people met him. And Barkley can't be anymore than his measured 6'4 5/8". It's ridiculous to estimate him at 6'5"+ knowing he was measured 6'4 5/8". It's just like how some people inflate Rob to 5'8.5" despite him measuring 5'8 1/8". I like Rising as a poster but he's wrong on this one.
And if me bringing up the boyfriend thing up was way before that, then when was it? If you can't answer it, then don't jump to conclusions like that if you have no evidence. And I've said it before that I'm not perfect, I admit that I have some faults. But it's not me playing the victim card or anything. You on the other hand though, have too much ego to admit your faults. For example, you couldn't even acknowlege that you misunderstood certain things, while I did it mutliple times.
Anonymous said on 30/Dec/17
See what I'm talking about, Christian: Click Here In that picture you have posted Michael Jai White is standing noticeably closer to the camera AND the camera also is pretty low, which makes a huge difference. In this picture the camera is higher and you can see how things change. It is still not an "ideal" picture, but I'm not sure that Boris really would look 6'3 at most like you say (assuming that Michael is as tall as his 6'0.5 listing), especially considering that Boris seems to be leaning a bit there. It's as if we only had this picture of John Cena with Boris, where John has a big camera advantage over Boris: Click Here Although I would never use a picture like that, you would probably think that Boris doesn't look over 6'3 next to John. BUT if you look at them in a picture like this Click Here where nobody has any camera advantage, Boris looks at least 6'4 and actually even a bit more than that if John really is taller than his 6' claim...
Andrea said on 29/Dec/17
Assumptions, Christian? That's the only explanation that makes sense in that photo with Jason because there is no way that Jason really is that much taller than David. As for Jamie Foxx, I just said that MAYBE he wears lifts because there is no way that he holds his own so well next to Boris. And I even posted a few pictures with Channing Tatum showing that he can look taller than his 5'9 listing, considering that he can make Channing look no more than 5'10-5'11 in more than one picture. But yeah, this certainly doesn't necessarily mean that Jamie wears lifts and I never said he does for sure. You're right about one thing, though. We can't see their feet in that picture with Jamie. It's not surprising, in fact, that in the other picture I have posted, where you CAN see their feet, Boris looks comfortably taller than that and easily around 6'4 next to the same Jamie. And how can I tell how tall Boris would look if White and The Game didn't have any camera advantage, Christian? Certainly noticeably taller than how he looks there, but it's impossible to tell how much...
And again, I never took Shawne's 6'4 3/8 measurement for granted and, after looking at him with other celebrities, I'm sure you remember that I agreed that he didn't look as tall as that. That being said, he can look more 6'3-6'4 than 6'2 with those measured athletes I have posted and with the same Boris, so I'm not so sure he really is as short as 6'2.4 (be it 6'2 4/8 or 6'2 3/8, which doesn't really make much difference, although I'm still not sure that those heights are really listed in 1/10 inches, which just complicates things). And the only reason why I say that Charles Barkley doesn't look under his 6'4.75 is because he doesn't look under that in the few photos I've seen of him. Besides the fact that, having a look at his page, Rising (who is one of the most credible and objective visitors on here) made some very good points in the past for which Charles can often look over 6'5 more than under it...
And stop lying. You didn't bring the boyfriends thing up to show my hypocrisy when I bashed Canson for calling me a prostitute. You did it way before that. In fact, it's really the opposite. I did bring the prostitute thing up just to show your hypocrisy when you started to accuse me of insulting you. How liar are you, LOL? As I said, I couldn't care less of that and I had never mentioned it before. The only reason why I brought it up was to show your hypocrisy when you decided to play the "I am good and you are bad" card. That's all.
Andrea said on 29/Dec/17
Canson, you are a broken record. I've never insulted anyone. At most I may have said that that this or that estimate is a bad one, but I don't see how it can be an insult. You, on the other hand, really have insulted many people on here. And Rampage says that I make things personal? Then it must be true, LOL. Go take a look at those pages where I had discussions with him and see who made things personal. No wonder that you get along so well with him, LMFAO.
Canson said on 29/Dec/17
@Andrea: it’s funny that you are bringing some of these things up about how I “insult people” or how Christian does this or that now that there is more proof and occurrences that Boris isn’t 6’4” like you believe or because your foolish comments such as Jamie Fox wearing lifts or someone standing on their tippy toes or having a camera advantage or footwear or other excuse have come to light. Fact is none of us know but these are our opinions. We respected your opinion until you began to say some of this stuff to us and forcing your beliefs on us. Like telling me “if after all of these pictures you still don’t believe then I give up”. That was better left unsaid. Bottom line tho don’t continue saying someone can’t estimate heights or bashing them for no reason just because you don’t have a response. That’s clearly what you are doing with both of us now. Anytime you don’t like what someone has to say or it weakens or contradicts your points or beliefs, you resort to some sort of attack on your part. Or you make an excuse that someone doesn’t know how to estimate or lies about height differences. Well you accusing someone of standing on tip toes or wearing lifts isn’t lying?????? There is no proof that they are so it must be?? Well you don’t think it is so maybe not? Bottom line just because I say something is a 4” diff vs 5” doesn’t mean it’s a lie it’s that we see it differently just like you saying to Christian and me that someone has an advantage or disadvantage isnt a lie to you but to us it doesn’t appear that way. Like Christian said before we don’t see everything your way. We don’t agree on everything you do. Just because we don’t doesn’t mean we are wrong and don’t say you aren’t doing that because you clearly are. And it could be the clearest of things not in your favor and you plead ignorance or claim it doesn’t exist. Such as you saying that there is a 3cm diff with Kobe and Boris. That isn’t a fact that’s your opinion. Like you say there’s 1.5” with Fox. That’s not a fact that’s your opinion but because we don’t agree with you we are wrong. However with the advantage Boris has on Brady im all of a sudden lying? I can say you are about either of the two but I choose not to so don’t accuse someone of lying because they don’t agree with you.

And no don’t say because Rob says something is this that it is gospel. If rob has no pic with the celeb it’s not a fact even if he does he could be off. I call Rob your master because you always run to him for reassurance on your estimates. You don’t see Christian or I doing that do you? And you even took it further than that on John Cena’s page commenting and hoping someone would tell you that Boris is 6’4” basically beating around the bush to get an answer to reassure yourself he is. This was just recent so those posts are clear as day. Again you don’t see Christian or I doing that. And then you use past disagreements on other pages such as saying Christian accused someone of making a celeb taller because they like them or my or his disagreements we’ve gotten into with other posters hoping you can get the person one of us disagreed with or other posters here to side with you. That’s clear that you’re doing that because you are desperate at this point. You wouldn’t be in this situation had this been a civil debate and you not started making things personal like you did. You can say you’re Joking about calling us boyfriends etc but you obviously got offended by being called a prostitute so even tho I was obviously joking because I don’t know you, you didn’t take it that way. Since you just like you accused Christian of brought this up over a month after it was said. That is exactly wht you do. You accuse others of doing what you do and then sweep it under the mat and try to deflect the attention off of you.

And you saying I turn something personal you have done the same. How is telling someone “Your Bad English, you mean your bad estimate” (this is what you actually said to 6’3” below so don’t try to hide that now because the post may or may not still exist) or bashing Bobby the way you did saying he can’t estimate height or even Moe how you said he lost credibility or of course Rampage on Kiernney’s page, not insulting someone? Or how is telling Christian and me that we cannot estimate height not insulting. How about just saying you don’t agree wth our estimates and move on.

And Sure I retaliated against Moe the way I did but because he insulted me first repeatedly and while I probably shouldn’t have I did so that’s that. I didn’t get into your disagreement with Rampage that you had and no don’t tell me that it was better or worse. Doesn’t matter. You have no room to critique me or Christian about criticizing people because you insult and criticize and take things personal in almost every post. It’s just that to “you” it doesn’t feel or appear that way or you don’t believe it is yet when Christian and I challenge you you are clearly getting offended. I mean you called us boyfriends and said that it’s “cringeworthy” that we agree on most. Why does that matter to you whether we agree? If you have to comment on something like that it obviously means that it bothers you. Just like me calling you a prostitute bothered you. Ok. You say that Christian doesn’t have thick skin yet you seeing us agreeing on most either bothers you or you are bringing it up because you feel that you are being ganged up on or that nobody is taking your side. You obviously don’t have thick skin either if you’re accusing him of that too. Although him bringing it up is just to show you how you act not him dwelling. He’s showing the origin of this that is it. It very obviously and very well appears that way as you resort to having to find other posts where I attacked or he at
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 28/Dec/17
@Andrea

All I'm saying is don't make assumptions unless there's visible proof. You did the same thing when you assumed that Jamie Foxx was perhaps wearing lifts in that photo with Boris. We can't see their feet in either pic. And if you think you're such an expert at estimating camera differences, how tall do you think Boris would've looked next to White and The Game if they all had equal camera advantage? I'd like for you to answer that. My opinion is that Boris would look at most around 6'3".
And quit lying. Yes you did take Shawne's 6'4" 3/8" measurement for granted. Had it not been for Checker posting that link of Shawne's 6'2.4" measurement, you would've still believed his 6'4 3/8" measurement was legit and believed it was just an early measurement (and you still do apparently). And you're also being a hypocrite, because you make it seem like the fact that I take Barkley's 6'4 5/8" as granted is wrong, yet it's ok for you to take Shawne's 6'4 3/8". The difference between the two, is that there's no article or document of Barkley measuring anything other than 6'4 5/8", while Shawne has 2 different measurements. Yet you say that Barkley's no shorter than 6'4.75" just because Rob lists him as that. Barkley's alleged measurement of 6'4 5/8" is sensible because people who met him say he's 6'4.5" or 6'4"-6'5", while Shawne's alleged 6'4 3/8" measurement makes no sense because people who met him say he's about 6'2". This is one of the reasons why I believe his 6'2.4" measurement was legit and the 6'4 3/8" one was an error. And 6'2.4" means 6'2 3/8", because if you convert 6'2.4" to cm, it's 188.976 which is very close to 6'2.375" which is 188.912, and 6'2 3/8" would obviously be rounded to 6'2.4" since the players are listed as 10th of an inch on that document. And reasonable or not, facts are facts. Players on that document were listed as 10th of an inch. Shawne was listed 6'2 3/8" whether you like it or not.
And about the accusation of people wanting celebs to be taller thing, while it wasn't the best accusation to make, I don't do that to everyone I disagree with. I only did it to a few people. It's not fair for you to say that I do it to everyone, just like it's not fair for me to say that you call everyone who disagrees with you who "back each other up" as boyfriends, which I don't. And I keep telling you that the only reason why I bring it up is not me being offended by it, but rather to show your hypocrisy when you bashed Canson for calling you a prostitute. It would be dumb for me to claim that because several times you brought up the fact that I said you want celebs to be taller, it means because you were offended by it. It's the same logic you're using.
Canson said on 28/Dec/17
@Andrea: it sounds like you are making an excuse about Merriman’s measurement now. Just another one in the long line you have made. How can you not “see” him as low as 6’2.4 but you can possibly see him at 6’2.5? Like any of us can really see .1” difference in a person. That is what he measured at his pro day so that’s what he is. And you did use the 6’4” measurement as proof to make Boris 6’4”. Sure maybe you don’t believe he looks 6’4 3/8 but you saying about 6’4” when he was measured well under that amount just shows your tendency to make excuses here as usual. As far as Barkley it is not alleged that’s what he actually measured at the olympics in 1992. Once again 6’4.75 is a 1/4” increment which is how the NBA lists there measurements. Either way if he’s really 6’4.75 at his lowest then it makes Boris no higher than 6’3. Your claiming he’s got a thicker shoe is another excuse just in the long line that you have such as accusing someone of standing on their tiptoes and accusing Jamie Foxx of wearing lifts. And you having to resort to finding posts or change the subject on someone like you do to try to attack character just shows your lack of character or your ability to be able to be able to debate. As far as footwear I don’t see how Barkley’s footwear looks any thicker than Boris’s yet you can tell for some reason a boot-like shoe doesn’t look any different than a canvas shoe lol?
Canson said on 28/Dec/17
@Andrea: if you want to say I insulted someone at least get facts straight first. It’s very convenient that you only add where I insulted Moe not where he insulted me first. Yes you chose where I retaliated against someone not where they insulted me first which is about the only way that you can even remotely try to be successful at making someone look bad. And you don’t want to go there with me as far as insults because again look at what you said to 6’3” about his estimates as well as Rampage. And making things personal? Rampage said it best you make everything personal. So really you’re the pot calling the kettle black. You deflect attention away from what you do onto other people and are a hypocrite because you do the exact same thing.
Canson said on 28/Dec/17
@Christian: you’re right 6’2.4 is 6’2 3/8. That would read 6023 for example. I looked up Terrell Suggs measurement in the same database Checker used and his pre drafty is 6033 and says here 6’03.4 so 6’3 3/8. Apropos of little I met Suggs when he first came in the league maybe around 2005 or so and He looked about an inch shorter than me. No shorter than Vernon Davis but could’ve edged him honestly. It’s tough to say since they’re that close

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Andrea said on 27/Dec/17
No footwear difference or "camera lens" would explain how David Benioff can look so short there, Christian. Higher ground level? That's not impossible, but Jason isn't standing much further away than David and if you look at D.B. Weiss, the way he looks there is pretty much consistent with how he generally looks next to the same David in every photo, which leads me to believe that there is no ground difference there and that Jason is probably standing on his tip toes in that photo. Of course that's not a fact, but that's the way I "explain" that picture because there is no way David would be that short, after looking at him in other pictures with other celebrities... As for Michael Jai White, he does have a huge camera advantage there. He's standing a lot closer to the camera and the camera seems pretty low, which makes a huge difference, in case you don't know. Same thing with The Game. Sure, you can say he's losing a bit of height by tilting his head to the side and having his legs wide apart, but again he has a noticeable camera advantage over Boris, which makes it impossible to tell the real difference between them there.
As for Shawne, I never took his 6'4 3/8 measurement for granted, which, in any case, never turned out to be erroneous by the way. Although I certainly do agree that he doesn't look as tall as 6'4 3/8, I'm not sure he really is as low as 6-2.4. Just like I'm not so sure that 6-2.4 really means 6'2.4. What kind of measurement is 6'2.4? You're right that there are actually a few x.8 and even a x.9 listing, but it seems more reasonable to list those heights in 1/8 inches rather than to list them that way (remember that heights are divided in 1/8 inches and not in 1/10 inches on the stadiometers).
And you say that calling you and Canson boyfriends was childish? What about "accusing" people of wanting celebrities taller than they are just because they don't agree with you? Isn't that childish as well? You did it with me (even before this discussion, on Michael Rosenbaum's page) and you do it with everyone else who disagrees with your estimates. Not that I took offence from it of course, but it was childish for you to say something like that. Besides the fact that I already explained you why I called you that way and that there was nothing personal in that remark. It was just a mere joke based on the fact that you and Canson seem to get along so well with each other and that you are not able to have a discussion on your own without bringing up the other one. And I still think it. The way you constantly back each other up on every page is truly cringeworthy! You say that you didn't take offence from it, but the fact that you brought it up again after over one month makes me think that that's not really the case and that you really don't have that thick skin you love talking about. At all.
Andrea said on 27/Dec/17
Charles' footwear has nothing to do with Kobe's. Boris' footwear doesn't look much different than Kobe's, while in that picture with Charles it looks at least a 1/4 inch less than Charles'... And Christian said it right. Charles was ALLEGEDLY measured at 6'4 5/8. It is certainly not a fact or something (like it can be for people like Zlatan or those drafted athletes)...
And do you even know what an insult is? Since you brought 6'3 and the same moe up... All I said to 6'3 was calling his estimate a bad estimate and all I said to moe was "moe, no offence, but you already loose credibility when you say Tom is 6'2, when he is CLEARLY than 6'2 range guys!". Where are the insults? LOL You, on the other hand, really insulted him and got very personal (like you often do on this site):
"Canson said on 6/Nov/17
@Moe: and I’m not 5’6” nor do I get jealous of guys who are taller than me. You still mad because I don’t believe your boyfriend Thaler is 6’6”? And I lash out at you because you are a loser troll who wastes time and energy denigrating the opinions of others like Rampage said about you. I don’t give a crap what height he claims. The Rock “claims” 6’5 and there is plenty of evidence that he isn’t over 6’2-6’2.5. So there you go. And I have plenty to base my opinion off of. Theler claims he only wears flat shoes. If you see any pic of him he has huge heeled shoes on. So there goes that claim. And I don’t believe you didn’t get fired because if you are a sorry poster and person like you are here and act the way you do I really can’t see anyone hiring or wanting to have you work for them. Anyone who disagrees with you is “wrong”. That’s where this all started because I didn’t agree that your “boy” theler is really 6’6” just because he claimed it. The same way that you also claim Tim Robbins is “almost 6’6” when he’s shorter than Howard Stern and claimed 6’4.5. IF you are as bad with your job in show biz as you are with estimating height and with your people skills it makes perfect sense why you are an unemployed troll like you are. But it’s ok Moe. They have support groups for people like you who like to belittle people because they don’t agree with your bs"
This is the difference between me and you...
What about this one?
"Canson said on 23/Oct/17
@TheReel: well you’re the one who first of all blasted SJH and then started saying someone is a bad person because you feel he “lied” to a terminally ill patient all because you feel he’s 6’5.75 and that he said and was measured by his wife at 6’4.75. I don’t think his wife is that dumb at least not as dumb as you. So who’s ignorant now. Someone who has never met the man saying he lies to terminally ill patients like you do? That is beyond ignorant and stupid to even say something like that about someone you don’t know. And I can care less about Kobe’s extra marital affairs. That is his business. You base your estimates for height off whether you like someone it appears which shows you’re biased. And yes I am happily married. No need to go there because I highly doubt anyone would even touch your dumbass not even a prostitute. So yes me making a comment like this to you was well warranted when you one go and attack SJH like you did and then go and make a comment about Kobe “lying to a terminally ill patient like that”. You’re a ****ing piece of ****. Why don’t you go to see a therapist."
And these are just two of the many insulting and trash-talking comments you are used to make. As I said, the list is pretty long...
Btw, the only one who has "sunken himself" (and constantly does) on here is you. The funny thing? You don't even realize it. As I said, your comments speak for themselves and tell a lot about your character and your credibility on here. I think there's nothing to add...
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 25/Dec/17
@Andrea

We don't know Momoa's footwear, or whether he was standing on higher ground level, or whether the camera lens was accentuating his height. Don't just assume and jump to conclusions that he was probably standing on his tiptoes. And "some" doesn't mean "little". I never said that Michael Jai White only have a little advantage. Just not as much as you make it out to be. And The Game's losing a bit of height by tilting his head to the side and having his legs wide apart, but you conveniently ignore those.
And you took Shawne Merriman's 6'4 3/8" measurement for granted, which turned out to be erroneous by the way. And you tried to use that pic with him and Boris to show that Boris is 6'4" range, but it turned out that Shawne was actually measured 6'2 3/8" (btw 6'2.4" doesn't mean 6'2 4/8" because I've seen players measured x'x.8" and x'x.9" e.g. #20 Chris Davis at 5'9.8" and #27 Steve Williams at 5'8.9" and there's no such thing as 5'9 8/8" because that'll just be 5'10" and no such thing as 5'8 9/8" either Click Here ) so that means Shawe's listing had an error by 2 inches, so you were wrong when you told Rob that Shawne was measured 6'2 4/8" And this is proof that Chris Davis was measured 5'9 7/8" Click Here and Steve Williams 5'8 7/8" Click Here And it also goes to show you that x'x.8" and x'x.9" are the same value when it comes to nfldraftscout because both are xxx7 which means x'x 7/8"
But back to the subject, it was childish for you to say something like that, not that I took offense from it of course. And I started to "trash talk" only because you did it to me first, all because of a simple disagreement over the height of Boris. It started with you and Canson arguing, and as soon as I stepped in and supported Canson's theory of Boris being 6'3", you started to trash talk to me and referred to me as his boyfriend. I didn't really say anything negative towards you before then. You're the one who escalated the situation. We could've had a peaceful debate about Boris' height but you turned it personal.
Canson said on 23/Dec/17
@Christian: honestly after the last post from Andrea I don’t know what else to say. Why would the NBA purposely “undermeasure someone at 6’4 5/8”? A sport that is known for inflating people just like in Wrestling lol
Canson said on 23/Dec/17
@Andrea: if you would like to bring up every visitor who I’ve insulted because they don’t agree with me go right ahead. You were the one below who initiated that comment to me about it and I just responded back saying that you do the same. I don’t care if I’ve insulted 14 people and you only 12. If you do it at all you really have no room to critique me about it. That’s called being a hypocrite if you don’t know and I can easily find instances where you insult people even before they even explain themselves like you did with Rampage and 6’3 both. Not to mention since you brought this up, the whole thing with Moe. You actually insulted him before I did. Go look at the posts. I very clearly insulted him back because he insulted me first. I didn’t agree with his estimate so I became a “loser” and he responds back hostily to me for no reason. And if you look closely enough there I clearly defended you and Joe after he insulted me. Go look at that page. Also Go look at the thread he insulted Bobby and me and that is why i responded like I did. Don’t try to bring that up now just because you have clearly “sunken yourself” and look like a fool and have lost the argument because it is exactly what you are doing just like you did when you tried to turn Christian and me against each other. You have some ways about you.

And I own what I do. I usually only insult if I’m insulted first or when it is a ridiculous argument someone is making. Typically tho it’s when someone insults me first because I don’t agree with them. It’s just that my insults back are a bit sharper so I get accused of that automatically which I admit I need to stop responding that way to some but I just don’t tolerate stupidity with some people. And You don’t want to go there with me because I can bring up much more about you. You’re clearly a hypocrite. I mean Rampage for one then this guy below 6’3 on this page you insulted him very clearly without even knowing him. You didn’t say “well I respectfully disagree” you clearly said “your bad estimate, you mean your bad English” you mean “bad estimate”. That’s an insult. Not to mention the Moe thing
Canson said on 23/Dec/17
@Andrea: I can’t go a single discussion without bringing up Christian you say? You can’t go a single discussion when responding to one of us without bringing up the other. Seriously nobody here takes anything you say seriously anymore. You are just blowing hot air at this point.

Seriously about the shoes now. You’ve dug yourself deep into quick sand. You’re now thinking you’re “qualified” to discuss shoes when you can’t even tell that Boris has a footwear advantage on Kobe in their pics yet you are quick to point out this footwear advantage on Boris that Barkley has. As far as your response to Christian about Barkley’s measured height that is what he measured at the Olympics in 1992 and most who meet him say he’s 6’4 range so possible he’s even 6’4 1/2 at a low. But since you said it about why does he believe Barkley’s measurement of 6’4 5/8? It’s common sense. Number one he looks 6’4 and change more often than not. Also at the Olympics what is a proven player (actually hall of fame player after 8 years in the league) going to gain with them lying up or down about his height when he has claimed many times that he was “about” 6’4 3/4 even before that? It’s likley that the 6’4 5/8 is a more precise measurement being the NBA does not do 1/8” increments and being that they didn’t even do 1/4” prior to the 2000s. Wade on the other hand would be more likely to have been boosted on a pre draft as that is something that he is playing for (his career). Having played basketball myself at the collegiate level I’ve met many players unfortunately never Wade or Barkley but have met Carmelo and Caron Butler who make wade look no better than 6’3. He clearly doesn’t look his drafted height next to Kobe or Melo or Lebron etc. in fact even next to guys like Russell Westbrook. I will also say that in people I know who have met both players that’s how they were described 6’2/6’3 and 6’4/6’5 or 6’4 1/2 but that’s a post for another day. But either way you attacked Christian saying Barkley is “no less than 6’4 3/4 when he measured below that mark”. You only even brought that portion up (the Barkley and wade measurements) because barkley’s Contradicts your theory for Boris whereas If Wade were actually that height it would make Boris what you think he actually is. So once again you choose evidence that supports your claim and ignore or make excuses for what contradicts it
Andrea said on 22/Dec/17
What does common sense tells you in Jason Momoa's picture then, Christian? He magically grew up that day? And, for the last time, Boris has a noticeable camera disadvantage in those picture with Michael Jai White and The Game, not just "some". But again you probably don't even know what I'm talking about...
As for Barkley, Boris' shoes don't look more than 0.75-1 inches from those pictures, while Charles' ones look at least 1.25 inches, so I doubt there is any less than a 1/4 inch difference... And you said it right. Barkley was ALLEGEDLY measured at 6'4 5/8. It's funny how you say that Dwayne Wade is no more than 6'2-6'3, even though, in his case, he was "officially" measured at 6'3.75, while you take Charles's alleged 6'4 5/8 measurement for granted...
And stop lying. You didn't bring up the boyfriend incident only to show my hypocrisy when I got, according to you, butthurt over Canson calling me a prostitute. You did it way before that. In fact, it's really the opposite. I did bring the prostitute thing up just to show your hypocrisy when you started to accuse me of insulting you. How liar are you, LOL? As I said, I never got butthurt for what Canson told me. At all. To be honest, I even laughed at that one when I read it the first time. That being said, I couldn't care less of that and the only reason why I brought it up was to show your hypocrisy when you decided to play the "I am good and you are bad" card. I certainly don't get insulted by people like you. It's just funny to see that, whenever you run out of arguments, you start to trash talk. That speaks a lot about your character...
P.S. Canson, you're getting old. It's funny that you say Rob is "my master", again, when you yourself are not able to have a single discussion on your own without bringing your bff Christian up. Just like it's funny that you say that I don't have a mind of my own and just agree with every listing on here... Do you have any idea of how many times I have challenged Rob's listings? LOL Fortunately, I can think with my head because, unlike you, I have a brain. And guess what? Basically all celebrities that I challenged in the past turned out to be as tall as I said when Rob eventually met them. And since you brought Rampage up again... Do I really need to mention every visitor you have insulted throughout these years just because they didn't agree with you? LOL Don't make me do it. The list would be pretty long... And, as I said, I always had my reasons for saying what I said to Rampage and I certainly don't regret it. And I certainly never got as personal as he did. His posts are there, so I certainly don't need to justify myself. Especially to you. Of course, since he's the only guy I've ever had a "serious" fight throughout these years, you have to bring him up. In your case, it's not only one guy, but a lot. I'm wondering why...
checker said on 22/Dec/17
Canson when I have a tape measure next to me and my finger perpendicular to 6'0 the middle of my forehead hits my finger. Would you estimate me at 6'3 then. Then when have my finger perpendicular to 6'3 the top of my crown just grazes it.
Canson said on 22/Dec/17
Well said Christian. It’s funny that the camera advantages and disadvantages that Andrea brings up in those pics don’t apply to any of the ones he posted nor does footwear or any other variable that is commonly used in his responses come into play when Boris “looks the height he’s listed here on this page” or even taller
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 22/Dec/17
@Andrea

Anyone with common sense won't think the way you think. To say that someone's probably standing on his tiptoes just because Boris doesn't look as tall as you think he is, is such an insane and bizzare claim. You'll never see me accuse Boris of probably standing on his tiptoes or wearing lifts whenever he looks 6'5"+. And yes, White had SOME camera advantage, but not as much as you say he does, since he stood only a bit closer to the camera than Boris did. And the same with The Game. He stood a bit closer than Boris did, but don't act like Game didn't have his legs apart wide, making him drop some height. Not to mention that he tilted his head to the side which also gives him a disadvantage.
And trust me, I have more knowledge about Boris' shoes than you do. Like I said, I own a pair that are very similar to his, and they give me 1.1" The platform is thin, but the heel is decent in thickness. And even the thickest dress shoes add about 1.3", so best case Barkley couldn't have had more than a 0.2" advantage over Boris. And Barkley was allegedly measured 6'4 5/8" Click Here And I dare you to find one article or document where Barkley was measured 6'4.75" or higher. And we don't even know if that's his lowest, he could've been 6'4.5" lowest as well. The bottom line is, even if hypothetically Barkley was legit 6'4.75", it still puts Boris no higher than 6'3.25" in the pic.
And I won't feel insulted if you say that I seem like a retard. I'm not bothered over a random dude on the web who I don't even know in real life, but that obviously isn't the case for you. And I brought up the boyfriend incident only to show your hypocrisy when you got butthurt over Canson calling you a prostitute. Not in the slightest did I feel like I was attacked when you called me and Canson boyfriends though. But you're the one who gets insulted and constantly accuse me of attacking you over the smallest things.
Canson said on 21/Dec/17
@Andrea: did you really say that Barkley had a 1.25” shoe on? And that Boris had 3/4-1”. So are you saying his shoe is thicker than Boris’s boot that he had on with Kobe in the pic? Lol Kobe had a canvas shoe on there which clearly is not as thick as what Boris had. And I know the next thing out of your mouth is what Rob said that he doesn’t see an advantage. But to you anything Rob says is a fact because I forgot, he “your master” has to do all of your thinking for you. Very evident
Canson said on 21/Dec/17
@Andrea: yes all of this coming from the guy who says “Akon stands on his tiptoes or Jamie Fox’s must wear lifts because he makes Boris look 6’2” lol” or Barkley has a “clear footwear advantage on Boris”. You have some nerve calling anyone here a troll or making comments about their intelligence or anything of that nature. You honesty sound like you were deprived of oxygen at birth when you make comments. I mean you got into the same types of arguments with Rampage about his estimates previously yet you want to bring up the arguments Christian and I have gotten in with other posters. It’s always when someone disagrees with you. You are the laughing stock of this site with those comments and have little room to critique anyone about their height assessments when you make the excuses you make. You can say what You want about any of us you just mentioned Christian who has more credibility than you will ever have and clearly more intelligence than you and of course doesn’t make excuses when he’s wrong. He owns up to it. And Rampage at least doesn’t make excuses and respects other people’s opinions. You clearly don’t. And yes He is also a very respectful poster and a pretty standup dude overall unlike you. You only call him a troll for the same reason that you call Christian or Me one or anyone who doesn’t agree with you for that matter because we don’t agree with you. I absolutely commend you tho. you have the uncanny ability to take Two similar pics where you “believe” one is disadvantaged (say Boris) and call it out or make an excuse but then when Boris has that same advantage on someone else in a pic, you fail to mention or care about it and when it is brought to your attention, you deny it even when it’s clear as day. So don’t go saying what someone else does wrong. You’re just very argumentative with people and like to deflect the attention away from what you do. But that’s what you would come to expect from someone who is sorry and a complete utter waste of life and can’t think on his own two feet on this site without some type of intervention from Rob
Andrea said on 20/Dec/17
Whatever you say, Canson. Whatever you say. One thing, if by no one (really takes me seriously) you mean you, Christian, Rampage or other trolls, I honestly couldn't care less. Here, like in real life, the only opinions that matter to me are those of people I respect and I care about. Funny how you even have the nerve to say something like that, btw. Let's not forget that you are the guy who goes on pages of celebrities you don't even know, you comment about their height and you probably even submit a vote (like you did with Zachary and Wayne Brady, the same Wayne Brady who suddenly became shorter than your "as listed" estimate when everybody, except for you of course, agreed that he looked at least 5 inches shorter than Boris). You are the guy who posts random sites with random listings/descriptions as some kind of evidence that a celebrity is this or that height. You are the guy who totally buys what random visitors on here say (only when it's convenient for you though, see what happened with moe), like how tall they are or how tall the celebrities they say they have met looked "in person", and even try to compare them to Rob, by saying that Rob is not any different. Oh, and you are the guy who has no clue about height differences and/or has to lie about them to make his "estimates" believable.
Andrea said on 20/Dec/17
Christian, all I said is that you can't rule it out. Do you think that saying that Jason is standing on his tip toes in that picture is an excuse as well? For you everything is an excuse. As for those pictures with Michael Jai White and The Game, they both have a noticeable camera advantage over Boris, but it seems something you constantly ignore. If you aren't aware of these things, don't even start discussions like this.
As for Barkley, Charles' shoes look at least 1.25 inches thick, while Boris' ones look more a classic 0.75-1 inch shoe, hence why I think that Charles has AT LEAST a 1/4 inch more footwear than Boris. And Charles was never "officially" measured at 6'4 5/8... That is certainly not a draft measurement or something. From what I've seen, I certainly wouldn't put him under his current 6'4.75 listing. Of course you are entitled to believe he is no more than 6'4.5 (and/or that he has shrunk, although he was only 46 at the time of those photos and not 54 like you said), but that's certainly not a fact.
As for Shawne's claim, as predicted, you used the fact that you said "seem" to justify yourself, LMFAO. According to that logic, I could say that you seem a complete retard from your posts without being accused of insulting you, right? :)
And it is funny how, once again, you accuse me of things you're guilty of: playing the victim. Let's not forget that you are the one who brought up the fact that I called you and Canson boyfriends after over one month (probably because you had no other arguments left). You sure have thick skin and even more so you sure think with logic, LOL. Your hypocrisy really has no limits.
Roger said on 20/Dec/17
Boris looks 6’3.75
checker said on 19/Dec/17
Rob when I have a tape measure next to me and my finger perpendicular to 6'0 the middle of my forehead hits my finger. Would you estimate me at 6'3 then.
Canson said on 17/Dec/17
@Andrea: you have a ****ing excuse for everything don’t you? You seriously are bringing up that Barkley has a footwear advantage lol? They both have on dress shoes so for you to mention that is beyond ridiculous. It’s funny how you can see that footwear difference but you couldn’t see the “obvious” difference in the footwear with Kobe Bryant and Boris. Honestly you just showed why nobody here takes you seriously. And by the way Barkley is 50+ years old so how is 6’4.5 not possible especially when he measured 6’4 5/8 at the Olympics? We don’t even know if that is his lowest height. Most people that meet Barkley say he’s between 6’4-6’5 or 6’4. A guy who is 195 cm won’t appear 6’4 to most they will appear 6’5 as that is a 1/4” difference in height. The only way someone can tell is if they’re maybe 6’5.25 or 196cm flat and someone is half inch shorter
Canson said on 17/Dec/17
@Christian: You by far provided the best evidence of Boris being under 6’3”. That picture with Barkley pretty much solves this
Canson said on 17/Dec/17
@Andrea: I’m well aware that there are certain things that aren’t a fact. However with you everything you believe is right or wrong is a fact. That’s exactly how you come across as a know it all. I am not uploading any videos or pictures of me on this site unless my face is completely blacked out. If you disagree with me that’s fine but as mentioned quit saying something is a fact just because you believe it is
Canson said on 17/Dec/17
@Andrea: I’m well aware that there are certain things that aren’t a fact. However with you everything you believe is right or wrong is a fact. That’s exactly how you come across as a know it all
Canson said on 17/Dec/17
@Andrea: that’s actually not true at all. You arrived at those numbers based on your opinions and you are using them as fact. In my opinion Magic clearly has 4” on Boris. That’s your opinion that he doesn’t have that much. In addition with Fox not standing straight that needs to be taken into account. Christian’s pictures with Charles Barkley are better than any you have posted as we know how tall he actually is and Barkley is clearly at least 1.5” taller than Boris. Boris actually looks under 6’3” with Barkley
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 17/Dec/17
Rob, is a weak or strong 6ft4 more likely?
Editor Rob: I think Boris is overall very close to being 6ft 4 on the nose, but I can appreciate how at times he has looked 6ft 3.5, although overall I think there's enough to see him measure right around 6ft 4 on the stadiometer.
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 17/Dec/17
@Andrea

Seriously, how many more excuses are you gonna make up? First it was lifts (the pic with Boris and Jamie Foxx), and now it's tiptoes? Do you realize how absurd you sound? You have zero proof that Akon was standing on his tiptoes. And I haven't seen a single pic where Akon stood on his tiptoes, let alone because he felt insecure that a guy was taller than him. I've seen tons of pics where he stood next to taller people and his feet were always flat. Don't make such random baseless allegations. So I guess Michael Jai White and The Game were standing on their tiptoes as well, right? (even though it makes no sense for a guy like The Game to do that when his legs were wide apart, because if he wanted to look taller, he would've kept his legs closer because having your legs wide apart would make you shorter) Even calling you a "joke" would be generous at this point, Andrea.
As for Barkley, both he and Boris were wearing dress shoes. Barkley's platform appears to be a bit thicker, but we can't see Boris' heels either. It's the heel of the shoe that gives most of the height. And the vast majority of dress shoes don't have heels that are under an inch thick. Only a very few have something like 0.75" And the type Boris wore would give a good inch despite having a thinner platform. I've seen plenty of those types in shops. Matter of fact, I own a pair that are very similar to what Boris wore, and those give me 1.1" (after measuring them of course) So if they're was any advantage, Barkley would have it only by about 1/8", which is virtually negligible. And a 6'4 5/8" measured Barkley would put Boris right at 6'3" because there was a 1.5"-1.75" difference between them. And as Canson alluded it's not impossible for a 54 year old, near 300lb Barkley to have lost a bit of height, making him maybe 6'4.5" or 6'4 3/8" today, which would potentially put Boris even lower at 6'2.75"
And I already admitted that I've misunderstood a few things in the past regarding other comments, but I didn't misunderstand regarding the discussion about Shawne's claim. Notice that word "seem". If I really jumped to conclusions, I wouldn't have used that word.
And one of the many problems I have with you is that you constantly love to play the victim by accusing me of "attacking" you. As you notice, I never accuse anyone of doing that to me whenever I have a debate with a user/visitor. Because I have thick skin, and I think with logic rather than emotion. I suggest you do the same. Maybe then you'll become somewhat of a more likeable person here. See, I'm not attacking you. I'm actually helping you by telling the truth about you, believe it or not.
Andrea said on 17/Dec/17
Canson, in case you don't know, there are some things that are NOT a fact. Not everything is an opinion. As I said, it's like saying that you can measure a couple of cms taller in the evening compared to the morning and calling it an opinion. It makes no sense. Again, upload a good video of you measuring your height and prove that by tilting your head down you actually measure taller than what you'd do if you didn't do it. Unless you have a deformed head or something, I honestly find it hard to believe. But if you posted a video which "proves" what you're saying, I'd have no problem to take what I said back...
Andrea said on 17/Dec/17
If Boris really was 6'3 (let alone under), that would make Rick Fox no more than 6'4.5, Kim Coates no more than 5'10-5'11, Magic Johnson no more than 6'6.5, Wayne Brady a weak 5'10, AJ Calloway no more than 6'-6'1 (hence Jared no more than 6'3), Casper Van Dien no more than 5'8 (hence Rob no more than 5'7), Kobe barely over 6'4, Wentworth Miller barely over 5'11, Dennis Haysbert somewhere around 6'2, Chi McBride no more than 6'3 and John Cena barely over 5'11. Just to name a "few". Let's just say that it is a bit unlikely (and yes, I do love euphemisms)... Without considering the fact that when you look at him with people who really are 6'3 range, like Nigel Barker ( Click Here ), Jerome Boateng ( Click Here ) and a MEASURED 6'3 1/8 Damien Woody ( Click Here ), he looks comfortably taller than all of them by about an inch (and no less than that).
Canson said on 16/Dec/17
@Christian: in keeping with what you said about his height being all over the charts here’s another pic with Magic where he looks a good 5” shorter. Now the argument on this would be that Magic is closer to the camera but just again shows how Boris’s height looks different based on the pics

Click Here
Canson said on 16/Dec/17
@Andrea: I didn’t tell you to “agree” with anything but don’t say it’s a “fact” that’s it’s not or is just because you don’t agree with it either. That’s something you’ve done all along. All I said was if someone tilts their neck a bit esp if a long neck and their crown is tilted upward chin down it will add height and it does as I have tested it.
Canson said on 16/Dec/17
@Checker: Boris imho is no better than a legit 6’3” and that’s honestly a stretch. A guy who is 6’2.5-.75 pulls 6’4 in shoes with ease esp in dress shoes boots or a good pair of sneaks. That’s what most celebs do they claim their shoes. Christian says it well Boris’s height in the pics here is all over the place. He can look 6’5 or more or 6’2” at times. But the Kobe pics taking into account camera angle and shoes he looks 2” shorter and Barkley at least 1.5” shorter in those pics. Barkley is older tho and may very well have lost height. I do know that Barkley’s height has always been a hot topic for debate in the time I’ve been on this page. Many think he’s taller than listed or claimed despite only measuring 6’4 5/8 but he’s not. Dan Majerle Danny Ainge Joe Klein even Michael Jordan have said he’s 6’4 range don’t see why they would lie. Not to mention I not only know a scout who’s 6’2 that confirmed he’s 6’4/6’5 years back but my 6’3” (reliably measured) friend met him more than once as well and said both times he was about 1.5” taller (1-2”). That doesn’t add up to a guy who is 6’6. A guy his size is not going to be listed barefoot when he’s already starting at a disadvantage especially when the other players are all listed with sneakers on. Karl Malone admitted he’s 6’8 so was listed 6’9. He had Barkley by minimum 3” standing in front of him at the HOF induction and Malone could be a sub 6’8 as well (only looked about half inch taller than Magic did and Magic peak isn’t more than about 201cm or even 6’7” flat possibly). Yet both were listed 6’9” on the roster. Don’t see why Barkley wouldn’t be put at a height in shoes as well. Dr J was taller than him by an inch too and listed 6’7” when he played so no way Chuck is 6’5 1/2 or 6’6” if Dr J was 6’5 1/2 when he played which is about what he was. 6’5 and change barefoot not as tall as Dennis Rodman or Dominique Wilkins were
Andrea said on 15/Dec/17
Christian, again, most of the pictures you have posted can make Boris look noticeably taller/shorter than 6'4 because he has a noticeable camera advantage/disadvantage. I for sure would never post pictures like those to prove anything. The only one where you can say he apparently has no camera advantage or disadvantage is the one with Akon. And yeah, he can look more 6'2-6'3 there, if Akon is 5'10. I would say there is more than 4 inches between them because Boris seems to have a bigger eyelevel than average. But yeah, he certainly doesn't look 6'4 there. But again, as far as we know, Akon could even be standing on his tip toes there. And no, it's not an excuse. Look at this picture of Jason Momoa with David Benioff (the guy on the right): Click Here Judging by that picture, you would never think that David can be much over 6'. When you take a look at other pictures of him with other celebrities though, it is pretty clear that he is noticeably taller than that and probably somewhere between 6'2 and 6'3. My explanation for that picture with Jason? Jason must be standing on his tip toes. And Jason is a pretty big guy himself, so you would never think he could be standing on his tip toes (especially with a smaller guy). But I think he's doing that there. A guy like Akon, who apparently is 5'10 (so a lot shorter than Boris), would have even more reason to do that...
As for Charles Barkley's pics, I can see about 1.5 inches between them, but again Charles seems to have at least a 1/4 inch more footwear than Boris, so it might still be no more than 1.25 inches. And Charles certainly doesn't seem under his 6'4.75 listing to me. As I said, maybe 192 is not something you can 100% rule out for Boris, but he generally does look a comfortable 6'4.
As for Shawne's claim, what you said I think is pretty clear: "The way you posted his 6'5" claims made it seem like you were somehow using them to try to "prove" that he's taller than 6'2"-6'3". There's nothing to add. Of course you're gonna say that you said "seem", so you didn't jump to conclusions. Whatever... Again, I'm certainly not the first one who "accuses" you of that (misunderstanding things). There must be a reason for that. As I said, the problem with it is that not only you often do that, but you also don't even think twice before attacking someone, like you did with me there.
Andrea said on 15/Dec/17
Canson, saying that tilting your head down can make you appear/measure taller than you are is not really an opinion. It's like saying that you can measure 2 cms taller in the evening compared to the morning, when we all know that it's the opposite. If you want to see it as an opinion, go ahead. I don't really see why I should agree with an "opinion" like that, though...
checker said on 15/Dec/17
You want to talk about an inexplicable pic. How does 6'2 Terence Garvin look 3 inches taller than Sinbad. Click Here

The flunctuations with Boris is wild though.
Canson said on 15/Dec/17
@Christian these are very good pics. Best case for Barkley 6’4 5/8 and to what I was saying to Andrea both their heads are straight here I’d Barkley had his neck tilted downward his crown would stick up more. He doesn’t believe me on that
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 14/Dec/17
Don't know why I didn't discover these pics earlier, but Boris looks about 1.75" shorter than Charles Barkley who's about 6'4.5", and these are pretty good quality pics too with not much variation in camera angles, so this furthers my notion that Boris is 6'2.75" or at most 6'3"
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And you can see their footwear Click Here
Canson said on 14/Dec/17
@Andrea: yes that is an opinion on your part and no no it’s not talking about nothing. That’s only because you don’t agree or sorry I don’t agree with you
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 14/Dec/17
@Andrea

Maybe your definition of "photographic difference" is different than mine then. Maybe you define it as the difference between two people EXCLUDING posture, footwear and camera angles (AKA just judging by their heads). If that's how you define it, then I agree that it's 100% factual. But I define it as the visual height difference between two people INCLUDING posture, footwear and cqmera angles. This is why I keep saying that photographic differences are partly an opinion, because whether how much posture someone's losing, how thick their footwear is, and amount of camera advantage they're getting, is subjective to an extent.
And if you think that whenever Boris doesn't look 6'4" is due to massive camera advantage/disadvantage, then you're gravely mistaken. He looks 6'2" in 3 two pics here with 5'10" listed Akon without seemingly having camera disadvantage Click Here and next to 6'0.5" listed Michael Jai White, I know Boris is standing farther away from the camera, but he still looks about 6'2.25" if stood in the same distance with him Click Here next to 6'3.5" listed The Game Click Here and in that pic Boris might have the slight camera advantage if anything, plus The Game has a bit of disadvantage because his legs are spread wider apart. Now Boris looks 6'5"+ in these two pics, as he looks minimum 2cm taller than 6'4.5" listed Tyler Perry, making Boris look easily 6'5.25" here, and I acknowledge that he has a bit of advantage with the camera position, but I don't think anyone can argue that it doesn't look any less than a 2cm difference Click Here and with 6'3.75" listed Dwyane Wade, Boris looks about 6'6.5" but my opinion is that Wade's more like 6'2.75" but even if I base it on that, Boris still looks 6'5.5" Click Here
And yes, you did misunderstand me regarding Shawne's claim. I never said that you didn't know that celebs can't be under a certain height just because they claim a height, yet you accuse me of implying that, due to your own misunderstanding and jumping to conclusions. And I already confessed that I misunderstood your comment on the Michael Winslow page. Why can't you do the same and admit that you misunderstood my comments as well? Are you really that self-righteous and prideful?
Canson said on 14/Dec/17
@Andrea: to be fair Christian has a strong point. Look at all the pics where Charles Barkley and Kobe look 6’5 1/2 and 6’6”. I know people that have met Barkley and Kobe both as well as Jordan. One guy is a scout and called Barkley 6’4/6’5 (said he’s “about” my height as is Jordan) Kobe 6’5ish (which for a guy who’s 6’2 can look 3” if he’s 2.5-2.75 taller and MJ 6’4 and change which in essence other than MJ is how Rob had them listed yet because Barkley or Kobe dwarf a 5’10.5 guy like Jimmy Kimmel who claims 6’1 and is listed 5’11.25 here they believe those guys are taller than advertised. Not saying you can’t use pics but Kobe and Barkley as well as MJ can both look all taller this, but that just shows it
Andrea said on 13/Dec/17
I'm not sure that's really an opinion though, Canson. And no, I know you are obsessed with that idea, but it has nothing to do with Rob (whose opinion, in any case, is certainly much more important than yours to me, btw). All I did was posting a clip of him which showed what I was trying to say. You can measure a hair taller by tilting your head up and a fraction shorter by tilting your head down. And that's my case as well. So I'm basing what I say on my personal experience. You say the opposite. Fine. Upload a good video of you measuring your height and prove that by tilting your head down you actually measure taller than what you'd do if you didn't do it. Until then, you are talking about nothing...
Canson said on 13/Dec/17
@Checker: he was listed at 6’3” at MD and college listing are even more inflated than pro football. I was surprised he measured 6’2.5 honestly. Looks a classic 6’2” at best maybe even less with Vernon Davis. 6’2.5 is too high for him honestly
checker said on 12/Dec/17
The 6'4.3 stuff is so laughable for Merriman when he can look 6'1 with people. I knew it was a joke in 2005, especially since he was listed at 6'3 in college. And then I saw he was measured at his correct height of 6'2 at his pro day. Click Here

Here he is with 6'5.5 Omar Benson looking 6'1. Click Here
Andrea said on 12/Dec/17
For the last time, Christian, the photographic difference is one thing and it is more or less a fact, while the measured difference also depends from those things you have mentioned, like posture, footwear and camera angles, which most of the time can be a fact as well, other times they are harder to tell, so you can say it can be an opinion. To a certain degree though. So no, I'm not misunderstanding you. You are the one who doesn't want to understand.
And no, Boris' height is not all over the place. If you consider those pictures where he has a noticeable camera advantage/disadvantage it's obvious that he can look over a huge range, like you say. But again, that can be said for any celebrity on here. If you are aware of these things, he constantly looks more or less the same range: a textbook 6'4.
And stop saying that I misunderstood you (which I didn't) and trying to turn what I told you against me. Speaking of Michael Winslow, there's nothing wrong about the fact that you clearly misunderstood my words and the context in which they were meant. It can happen to anybody (and it certainly seems to happen a lot to you). The problem with it is that, since your main purpose of that comment was trying to discredit me ("6'5"??? Are you crazy? No wonder why no one really takes you seriously."), you should have at least thought not twice, but ten times before submitting a comment like that.
Canson said on 12/Dec/17
@Andrea: again with the pointed crown. Yes if you tilted the top of your head downward and you have a crown on top the crown will raise up. I know based on having done it. And It’s ok if you disagree but quit saying things like it isn’t true etc because that again is your opinion. And what Rob says is not a universal thing. you seem to preface a lot of what you think or argue as fact based on what Rob says and make it a truth. His words are an opinion just like anyone else and no more so than yours Christians or mine. As I mentioned Rob’s head isn’t the same shape as mine. But look at Charles Barkley’s head where the crown is pointed. If he tilts his chin down the crown will raise up and add a tiny bit and since it is raised higher than the rest of his head it does give a bit extra. Not a lot but some mm

Click Here
Andrea said on 12/Dec/17
A pointed crown? Again, what are you even talking about? Apart from the fact that, having another look at the photo, Boris is slightly tilting his head down, so I don't even know why we're talking about this... Anyway, as I said, by tilting your head down, you can measure/appear shorter than what you are, if anything. But certainly not taller.
As for me saying that Christian often jumps to conclusions way too fast, it has nothing to do with the fact that he agree or doesn't agree with me. Did you even read my comment? -.-
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 12/Dec/17
@Andrea

Again, I'm not confused at all. I already know that the difference between Rob and Daniel (judging only by their heads and not posture) is 9", and that's 100% undisputable. What I'm saying is that height differences are partly an opinion ONCE you factor in the posture, footwear and camera angles. You're misunderstanding me here.
And the reason why I said "Boris just might be one of those celebs where he just happens to be frequently favored by the camera lens to the point where he often looks taller than he actually is.", is because his height seems to be all over the place. He can look as tall as 6'7"-6'8" in a few pics, 6'5" in some, 6'4"-6'5" in some, 6'3" in some, 6'2"-6'3" in some, and 6'2" in a few. I've never seen a celeb that has his height all over the place to the degree of Boris. And I can also argue that the lens might sometimes give him a disadvantage because he can look 6'2" at times. Again, you've misunderstood me.
As for Shawne's claim, Of course I know that you know that just because a celebrity claims a height, it doesn't mean that they can't be under a certain height. This is the third time you misunderstood me and jumped to conclusions in a single comment. You're doing exactly the same thing you accuse me of doing. That's the very definition of being a hypocrite.
And I'm man enough to admit that I misunderstood your comment on the Michael Winslow page. I have a valid reason for it though. Once I read your comment, I didn't read Rob's comment below mentioning about Tom Noonan. I just stopped reading once I read your comment because I was surprised that you said "he looks well over 6'5"" (because at the time I thought you were referring to Winslow looking over 6'5"). That's what really happened.
Canson said on 11/Dec/17
@Andrea: that’s an opinion that Christian jumps to conclusions and everything else you said about him. Sounds like you are saying that because he doesn’t agree with you once again. Nothing is a fact despite the fact you may believe it doesn’t mean it is true everything is open for debate here
Canson said on 11/Dec/17
@Andrea: rob doesn’t have a pointed or high crown on his head either like I have. Look at Charles Barkley or Boris and both have similar crowns. Barkley is more pronounced tho which is how mine is. When I tilt my head down my eye level will be lower but the back where the crown is will raise up higher
Andrea said on 10/Dec/17
New picture with John Cena: Click Here
Andrea said on 10/Dec/17
So, Rob, how tall do you think Shawne really is? Do you think he is worth a page?
He apparently got measured once at 6'4 3/8 ( Click Here ) and once at 6'2 4/8 ( Click Here ). And he himself claims to be 6'5 on Twitter: Click Here
Here is with Boris, which is the main reason why he was brought up on here: Click Here
Editor Rob:

At College he certainly had been called 6ft 3 and 245 pounds, back in 2003.

the 6ft 4 3/8th figure was widely publicised in 2005, see This example.

I don't know about that couchscout, as I've said in big data sets sometimes errors occur.

I'm not sure of the guy's real height, but he may well have got an earlier in the day busting a gut measurement like that. Maybe raised his eyelevel too, which for some people can add a cm.
Canson said on 10/Dec/17
@Checker: on a normal listing it would read 6024 for 6’2.5 what throws this one off is the decimal listing not to mention that one guy there is 6’5.8 which would mean 605 8/8 and should just be 6’6 in that case. But you could be right I’m not sure. My rationale also comes from the fact his combine was 6’4 3/8 so may be that he was overlidted by 2”
Andrea said on 10/Dec/17
Christian, from what you've just said, you are indeed confusing them. In Daniel Naprous' case, the photographic difference between Rob and him does look right around 9 inches and that's a fact. Of course the measured difference between them might have been less than that if Rob was dropping more height than Daniel, hence why I said what I said. As for Magic, although you can't rule that out, to me his posture doesn't look much different than Boris' there, to the point that I could easily say the same for Boris: "I think that the difference between them is no more than 3 inches because, in my opinion, Boris is losing more height in posture than Magic there". I'm not so sure about that though. However, as I said, you're perfectly entitled to believe otherwise...
And saying that Boris frequently looks at least 6'4 just because he frequently is favored by the camera lens is one of the biggest jokes I've ever heard. Are you trying to say that Boris looks that range in over 20 occasions just because of that and that the very few occasions where he looks shorter than that (only in that single picture with Jamie Foxx and possibly with Shawne, if he really is as low as 6'2-6'3, in fact) are because he doesn't have this "camera lens advantage" you're talking about? LOL According to that "logic", I could say the opposite, which is that Boris could actually be even taller than what he looks like in pictures because he just might be one of those celebs where he just happens to be frequently UNFAVORED by the camera lens to the point where he often looks SHORTER than he actually is. I would never say something like that though because that could be said for any celebrity and that would mean that anyone could potentially be an inch shorter or taller than a certain height and I certainly don't think that is the case...
As for Shawne's claim, you tried to teach me that if a celebrity claims a height, it doesn't mean that they cannot be under a certain height... As if I didn't know that. So yeah, it looks like you jumped to conclusions, again. And don't worry. After what you said on Michael Winslow's page, I certainly don't need any more "proof" that you often misunderstand things and jump to conclusions way too fast...
Andrea said on 9/Dec/17
Well, Canson, I don't have a deformed head either, but I certainly don't measure or appear taller if I tilt it down. Rob even made a video about it in the past and, as you can see, by tilting his head down, he can measure about 5 mms SHORTER than what he'd be if he didn't do that: Click Here So, if anything, Boris could appear slightly taller there if he wasn't tilting his head down like you say he is, but certainly not shorter...
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 9/Dec/17
@Andrea

No, I'm not confusing anything. The photographic difference isn't 100% a fact either, once you consider the posture, footwear and camera positions/angles, because those 4 things are subjective to an extent. One might think someone in a pic has bad posture, and another person might think that he has better posture. For example, remember the pic with Daniel Naprous? I used to think that he looked weak 6'5" because I preceived that Rob had looser posture than him, until Rob said that he didn't drop any more height than Daniel did (meaning that they both had the same amount of posture) then I estimated him to be a full 6'5". And of course Rob had the best knowledge because he was in that pic. And even you admitted that photographic differences are somewhat of an opinion, when you said:

"Andrea said on 6/Jun/17
Wow Rob, you have this guy at 6'5 and he does look right around 6'5 with you. I'm impressed!
I could even buy a solid 6'5, based on the picture. This IS how a 5'8 guy should look next to a 6'5 one...
Unless you're dropping more height than him, of course..."

Especially note the "Unless you're dropping more height than him, of course..." part. If you really believe that photographic height differences are 100% factual, you would never say something like that. You're hinting the possibility that Rob's dropping more height than Daniel. So why aren't you also hinting the possibility that Magic's dropping more height than Boris then?
As for Ray's pic, you proved my point when I said that some pics don't do justice, because Rob said that Ray looked taller in person than what the pic suggested. This happened many times, like the ones with Michael Rosenbaum, Jeremy Jordan, Alexis Denisof, Jesse Eisenberg, Jim Parrack, and many more. All 5 of them I just mentioned look at least a half inch or more shorter than what Rob thought them to be. Rob said before that the camera lens can sometimes exaggerate or diminish the visual height differences in pics. This may explain why Boris often can look 6'4" and at times even 6'5" in pics. Boris just might be one of those celebs where he just happens to be frequently favored by the camera lens to the point where he often looks taller than he actually is.
And how was that "proof" that I jumped to conclusions when discussing about Shawne's claim? I said "seem", so I wasn't accusing you of actually doing it.
checker said on 8/Dec/17
6'2.4 is 6'2 1/2

Merriman doesnt look taller than a flat 6'2 max face to face with 5'11.5 Rampage Jackson. Click Here
Canson said on 8/Dec/17
@Andrea: well my head isn’t deformed that’s just how it is when you have a crown that is pointed like that. If the front (face) is tilted downward the crown will be raised. If Boris were to tilt his whole neck and face down to look at someone shorter you see the crown on the top of his head will raise up. That does make me taller as the top of his head if his entire neck and face Are tilted downward significantly will raise the top of my head. I have a long neck as well
Andrea said on 7/Dec/17
Canson, again, I don't know what you're talking about, but unless you have a deformed head or something, you're not gonna measure/appear any taller by tilting it down. If anything, if you tilt it down too much, you can measure shorter, but not taller. As for the other picture, as I said, there's nothing that suggests that Dennis is not standing straight. I mean, you can't rule that out, but from the picture alone I could say the same for Boris, considering that they seem to be standing quite similar there...
As for Shawne's alleged measurement, regardless of how tall he is/you think he is, I think that 6'2.4 simply means 6'2 4/8. I'm aware of that 6'5.8 figure, but I think it might simply be a typo. As I said, I don't think it is just coincidence that there are no x.9 listings...
Canson said on 6/Dec/17
@Andrea: I also have a crown (pointed portion on my head) and if my head is tilted down and the crown higher I will appear taller and actually am taller. Charles Barkley is another example. However if I have my head even which is how the doctor will measure me I’m right at what I claim. As far as the measurements for the guys in that draft, I don’t know for sure. I actually asked Free below as you may be right but Duncan 6’5.8 made me wonder. 6058 would be 6’6” flat as that’s 8/8. So not sure. Having seen the other posts below about Merriman tho that 6’2.5 seems high imho. The comment about a 6’2 guy from the NBA player as well as him looking an inch shorter than Vernon Davis Davis is for sure 190-191 range

As far as the losing height not being a fact or because he said it doesn’t make it a fact. That can be said about what you are saying as well. It isn’t a fact that he “isn’t losing height” or about other stuff you’ve said as well. Some could be but other stuff that you, Christian or I have said are many opinions
Canson said on 6/Dec/17
@Andrea: I also have a crown (pointed portion on my head) and if my head is tilted down and the crown higher I will appear taller and actually am taller. Charles Barkley is another example. However if I have my head even which is how the doctor will measure me I’m right at what I claim. As far as the measurements for the guys in that draft, I don’t know for sure. I actually asked Free below as you may be right but Duncan 6’5.8 made me wonder. 6058 would be 6’6” flat as that’s 8/8. So not sure. Having seen the other posts below about Merriman tho that 6’2.5 seems high imho. The comment about a 6’2 guy from the NBA player as well as him looking an inch shorter than Vernon Davis Davis is for sure 190-191 range
Andrea said on 6/Dec/17
Christian, I think you are confusing the photographic difference with the measured difference, which, unlike the first one, also depends from those factors you have mentioned, like footwear, posture and camera advantages, hence why it is harder to tell at times. As for Ray, it is a fact that there isn't much more than 5.5 inches between Rob and him in the photo, but this certainly doesn't mean than the measured difference between them can't be more or less than what it looks like. The same Rob said that Ray looked taller in person than how he looks in the photo, in fact, although I don't think that Rob has any posture or camera advantage over Ray there (and Ray's eyelevel doesn't really look much different than Rob's one, so not much more than 4.5 inches)... As for Kobe, I never disregarded those things. I agree that Boris is standing a bit closer to the camera, but again Kobe seems to have a little better posture than him. And I'm giving him the benefit of doubt that he's not gaining any height by going up on one foot. As for their footwear, although I'm not a "shoe expert", their shoes don't look much different to me. Rob, who certainly has more knowledge about that, says the same thing. And he even gave a very good explanation of why he thinks that way... As for Magic, if you think that the difference is more than what it looks like (not over 3.5 inches) because in your opinion "Magic's back is hunched more than Boris'", that's another matter. To me they seem to be standing quite similar there, but you're perfectly entitled to believe otherwise...
As for Shawne's claim, the fact that you say "The way you posted his 6'5" claims made it seem like you were somehow using them to try to "prove" that he's taller than 6'2"-6'3"." proves, once again, that you jump to conclusions way too fast at times because that certainly wasn't my intent. As I said, although it is always interesting to see what they claim, celebrities can say to be the height they want, but how tall they look in photos or videos is the only thing that matters to me when it comes to guessing their heights. Look at Josh Peck. He came out with a very optimistic 6'1.5 on Twitter, but he certainly looks nowhere near that and, as I said in the past, he can even look barely 5'10 at times. As you can see, it doesn't matter if he claims to be 6'1.5 tall, if he doesn't look much more than 180, then him claiming 6'1.5 isn't gonna make him any taller than he actually is. 😉
checker said on 6/Dec/17
Shawne Merriman face to face with 5'11.5 Rampage Jackson. Click Here He looks 6'1.5
Andrea said on 5/Dec/17
No offence, Canson, but what you're saying about "his crown tilted upward and his head tilted down" honestly makes no sense... He's not getting any advantage by doing that in the picture. And neither of them seems to have any camera advantage there. As for the other picture, he seems to be standing quite straight and actually very similar to how Boris does. And just because Christian, according to you, says the same thing (that he's losing height), doesn't make it a fact. It certainly wouldn't be the first time that he says that someone is losing (more) height, when they actually aren't...
As for Merriman, if you take a look at that page that Christian posted ( Click Here ), the decimal part of all those heights ranges from 0 to 7, which leads me to believe that they are stored in 1/8 inches, like I said. Not any different than the combine site, in fact. I don't think it is just a coincidence that there are no x.9 listings, although, having another look at it, there is actually a x.8 one, but maybe it was just a typo?
Canson said on 5/Dec/17
@Checker: That looks right for Ray. If he measured 6’0 5/8 or 3/4 depending on what that means. It’s ambiguous because 6006 is 6’0 3/4 while 6005 is 6’0 5/8 but that says 6’0.6 which leads me to 6’0 5/8 that’s probably 6’0 1/2 at his lowest or a hair lower. He looks about the same height as Trump does today as well
Canson said on 4/Dec/17
@Andrea: this is what I’m talking about with the crown on his head. Look at it in this pic. Then look at the pic with just he and Haysbert. It is giving him height because the front of his head is tilted down the Crown is elevated. Also in the pic Haysbert is leaning his head in toward Boris and not up straihht either. If you want to talk camera angle here Boris is actually favored as well. Now not saying How much that changes but I’m willing to bet Boris would no longer have an advantage on him as there is very little like maybe a cm all things considered to begin with

Click Here
Canson said on 4/Dec/17
@Andrea: if you look at Boris’s head tjr Crown is tilted upward while his head is tilted down. That has to do more with the shape of his head. That will add height no matter what you say due to the shape vs him having his head straight because the crown is raising up. As for Merriman 6024 would be 6’2 4/8. I believe 6’2.4 is 6’2 3/8 which is 6’2.375. It says 6’2.4 not 6024 like it does on the combine’s site

It’s clear Dennis isn’t standing straight in the second pic as well. He’s losing height in the pic like Christian said
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 4/Dec/17
@Andrea

You missed a key point. I said "to a certain extent" right after it. The reason why I say "to a certain extent", is because height difference is somewhat of a fact, but there's the other side of the coin to that. People have different opinions on footwear, posture and camera advantages. You're correct in that there's visually about a 2.5-3cm difference between Kobe and Boris in the pic just by judging their heads alone Click Here but the reason why I believe it's about a 5cm difference them is because of the footwear, posture and camera advantage, as Kobe wore seemingly thinner shoes, had one of his knees bent, and stood farther away from the camera, therefore giving him disadvantage. But you basically disregard those, and even once said that Kobe was possibly gaining a bit of height with his bent knee, that's why you think it's only a 2.5 or 3cm difference between them. The same with Magic. Sure, it looks about 3.5" if judged by their heads alone, but I believe it's like 4" because I believe Magic's back is hunched more than Boris'. If Magic would've straightened up more, it would've been a 4" difference. As for Ray, he does look about 187cm just by judging by their heads, but I disagree with your 187cm estimate, I personally believe he looks 188cm with Rob. Why? Because in my opinion, if Ray had the same amount of posture and stood to the same distance from the camera as Rob did, his head would've touched the 6'2" line. And not to mention, Ray's eyelevel is around 5'9" as it is, and he's got a pretty long eyelevel too, about 4.75"-5" to the tip of his head. Now, if someone said that Ray looked 180cm, then of course they would be wrong. But me and you disagree by only 1cm, and posture and camera advantages can alter that 1cm easily. So a 188cm estimate is just as reasonable as a 187cm estimate is. So this is why I keep saying that height differences are an opinion (somewhat).
And Shawne's claim being outrageous has nothing to do with it. It doesn't matter if he claimed to be 7'0" tall, if he looks 6'2"-6'3" and reported to be measured at 6'2.4", then him claiming 7'0" isn't gonna make him any taller than he actually is. The way you posted his 6'5" claims made it seem like you were somehow using them to try to "prove" that he's taller than 6'2"-6'3".
checker said on 4/Dec/17
Ourlads had Ray Lewis at a measured 6'0.6 when he played.

Shawne Merriman can look 6'1 at times. He looks a good inch shorter than 6'2 Marcus Allen and barely 6'1 with 5'11 Mario.

Boris looks 6'3 at most with 5'11 max James Vanderbeek. People on vanderbeek's page say he looks 5'11 with other actors on other tv shows. He always looked at least an inch shorter than 6'0 John Wesley Shipp on dawsons creek.
Andrea said on 3/Dec/17
I know that photos can be deceiving at times, Christian. What are you trying to say though? In those photos you have posted (with Ray Lewis, Magic Johnson and Tyrese Gibson) Boris looks a lot taller than 6'4 simply because he's standing a lot closer to the camera (which makes an even bigger difference if the camera is low, like in Tyrese's case) and/or because they're shot from a very bad angle (like in Magic's case). In fact, I would never post pictures like those. You will agree with me that they're quite useless and they prove nothing. I doubt you can say the same for the ones I have posted...
As for Shawne, I don't think I've ever said that he must be 6'5 or that he can't be as low as 6'2-6'3 just because he himself claims 6'5. Do you really think I am that stupid? Celebrities can say to be the height they want, but how tall they look in photos or videos is the only thing that matters to me when it comes to guessing their heights. The only reason why I have posted his claim (and he claimed to be 6'5 several times on Twitter) is because, if he really is as low as 6'2-6'3 range, his claim is outrageous, to say the least. Just for that, Rob should give him a page... That being said, I haven't seen enough to say that he really is as low as that. With that Kasim guy he actually can look taller than that, assuming that Kasim seems to have been measured at 6'4 7/8 at one point...
As for height differences, I think you didn't get the point of what I said, just like you didn't the first time we had a discussion about it. Sure, anyone can say what they want and can have their opinion, like you say. But there are right and wrong opinions because the actual height difference that appears in photos (the photographic difference) is not really an opinion, but a fact. In Ray's case, a person can certainly have the opinion that Ray looks only 5 inches taller than Rob, but that's a wrong opinion because it is a fact that the difference looks more than that. It's no coincidence that the mugshot lines put Ray somewhere between 5.5 and 6 inches taller than Rob there. Why? Because the photographic difference, in that case, is somewhere between 5.5 and 6 inches (actually not much more than 5.5). Not because I say it, but because it looks that way. Same thing for Kobe's, Rick Fox's, Magic's and Wayne Brady's pictures. Btw, I said that Magic can look 3-3.5 inches taller than Boris, not only 3 inches. Anywhere in that range seems possible and I even gave an explanation of why it looks that way (I certainly didn't just make that number up from nowhere): Click Here "The amount of height that Magic has on Boris is the same amount you can see on Boris' head. So more 3-3.5 inches than 4, unless Boris' eyelevel is something like 6 inches range, which I doubt." If you really think that height differences are an opinion though, then let's just say that I strongly disagree with your "opinions" about those differences. But again, if you truly believe in that, it makes no sense at all to tell a guy that he lies about actual height differences just because he disagrees with you. After all, height differences are an opinion, right? :)
Andrea said on 3/Dec/17
Canson, I think that those heights are stored in 1/8 inches, so 6'2.4 simply means 6'2 4/8, which is 6'2.5...
And, for the last time, what's the connection between Kobe's photo and Dennis' one? Kobe doesn't look more than 3 cms taller than Boris, just like the same Boris does look near 2 cms taller than Dennis in that single picture (no less than an inch in the other one). And since when tilting your head down gives you more height? What are you even talking about? If anything, if you tilt it down too much, it can give you less height, but certainly not more. As for other picture, there's nothing that suggests that Dennis is not standing straight. They seem to be standing quite similar. And Dennis is even standing a bit closer to the camera, giving him a slight advantage...
Canson said on 3/Dec/17
@Checker: my guess is Merriman is 6’2 like you and free both say. I would put him maybe 2” under Tom brady and say both may dip to 6’2-6’2 1/4 and Brady 6’4-6’4 1/4 Vernon Davis 6’3-6’3 1/4
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 3/Dec/17
Pic where Boris looks about 6'7" next to 6'0.5" Ray Lewis Click Here
checker said on 3/Dec/17
James Vanderbeek isnt 6'0 thats for sure. Consistently looked 1 to sometimes 2 inches shorter than 6'0 John Wesley Shipp on dawsons creek.

And Shawne Merriman doesnt look taller than 6'2 with 6'4.7 Kasim Osgood here. Click Here Click Here
Canson said on 2/Dec/17
@Andrea: yes i agree with you it’s better not to say someone has no clue about height differences because this is mostly subjective. Boris and Kobe for example vs Boris and Haysbert. That’s more than just a 1cm difference between the two pics. Looking at the way Boris’s head is tilted (crown raised) if that weren’t the case i doubt there would be a difference in height. As for Boris and Hatsbert in the other pic that’s a much greater difference than the first pic but because Haysbert is not standing straight. Kobe and Boris can actually look close to 2”. You saying it’s nowhere near it is an opinion just like you saying Boris has a 2cm diffeeence on Haysbert and Kobe having only 3 on Boris when it looks substantially more between the two pics is your opinion.
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 2/Dec/17
@Andrea

Photos can be very deceiving at times. Here's Boris with 6'1" listed football player Ray Lewis with visible footwear and ground level Click Here as you can see in this next photo, Boris honestly looks about 6'7-6'8" because he looks about 6"-7" taller than Ray Click Here And we know 6'7"-6'8" for Boris is complete absurdity. Btw Ray's 6'1" listing isn't far off because he looked about 1.5" shorter than 6'2" Shawne Merriman Click Here Click Here and roughly the same as Donald Trump Click Here so 6'0.5" may be fair for Lewis, which would still make Boris look around 6'6.5" in that photo, and 6'6.5" for him is obviously way too high also. I've said before that some pics and clips don't do justice. I've seen many other celebs where in certain pics they look way taller than listed, and other times way shorter. Like this pic where Boris looks a strong 6'5" with 6'7" Magic Johnson Click Here looks 6'7"-6'8" with 5'10.75" listed Tyrese Gibson Click Here And shorter too, like how Boris only looks 6'2" next to 5'10" listed Akon Click Here
As for Shawne, he can make up any height claim he wants to, just as anyone else. No one put a gun to his head and forced him to claim 6'5". Him claiming 6'5" doesn't prove or even hint he's a weak 6'4". Like I said, anyone can make up a claim, because after all, it's just a claim. This is why I take people's height claims with a very small grain of salt. I've seen 6'3" and even 6'2.5" guys claim 6'5" before, but does that make them any taller than they actually are? No. I was taller than them by around 2.5" or 3". There are even a few celebs that height who claim 6'5", like The Rock and peak Kane Hodder.
As for height differences, I don't know how many times I gotta remind you that they're an opinion, although to a certain extent. This is the same reason why you and Rob guessed Kobe and Boris to only be an inch apart, while Canson and I think it's more 2 inches. The same reason why you and Rob think there was a 1.5" difference between Boris and Rick Fox, while I think it's 2.25", and Canson think it's 2.5"-3". The same reason why you think there was a 3" difference between Boris and Magic, while Rob thinks it's 3.5", while Canson and I think it's around 4". And the same reason why both you and I think there was a 5"-5.5" difference between Boris and Wayne Brady, while Canson think it was 4"-4.5". Notice that all 4 of us disagreed at some point. If height differences are a fact like you say, then all 4 of us would've agreed on all of those pics, and there would've never been any conflicts about height differences on this site, but that's certainly not the case. I've used these two examples in the past, but look at how some people guess Ray Fisher to be 187cm, while others 188cm, while others 189cm. And the fact that people gave different guesses on the Height Challenge series. If differences are really a fact, then everyone would've guessed Ray as the same height, and everyone would've guessed all the Height Challenge participants as the same height.
Canson said on 2/Dec/17
@Andrea: for Merriman 6’2.4 is 6’2 3/8 (.375). It’s likely that is his actual height and that the 6’4 3/8 is not
Andrea said on 1/Dec/17
BTW, these are the reasons why I think that Boris must be somewhere around 6'4:
1.With listed 6'1.5 Boris Becker: Click Here Click Here Click Here
2.With listed 6'0.5 Steve Harvey and 6' Tyson Beckford: Click Here
3.With listed 6'5.5 Kevin Durand: Click Here Click Here
4.With listed 6'1 Oded Fehr: Click Here Click Here
5.With listed 6'6 (but more 6'5.5 range) Rick Fox: Click Here Click Here
6.With listed 6' James Van Der Beek: Click Here
7.With listed 6' Kim Coates: Click Here
8.With listed 6'7.5 Magic Johnson: Click Here Click Here
9.With listed 6'1 Brian J White: Click Here
10.With listed 5'11 Wayne Brady: Click Here
11.With listed 6'4 Henry Simmons: Click Here
12.With listed 5'10.75 Tyrese Gibson: Click Here
13.With 6'1.5-6'2 range AJ Calloway: Click Here The same AJ with Jared: Click Here
14.With listed 5'9.25 Casper Van Dien: Click Here
15.With 5'11-6' range Dr. Oz: Click Here
16.With listed 6'4.75 Kobe Bryant: Click Here
17.With listed 6'0.5 Wentworth Miller: Click Here
18.With listed 6'4 (6'4.5 peak) Dennis Haysbert: Click Here Click Here
19.With 6'3 range Nigel Barker: Click Here
20.With 6'3 range Jerome Boateng: Click Here
21.With MEASURED 6'3 1/8 Damien Woody: Click Here
22.With listed 196 Dustin Brown: Click Here The same Dustin with Andy Murray: Click Here Click Here
23.With listed 6'4.5 Chi McBride: Click Here
Andrea said on 1/Dec/17
Christian, I understand your point, but there are still many pictures or videos where you can see these things (the footwear, the ground level and the way they're standing) AND Boris looks 6'4 range in every single one of them. The thing with Dennis is that, although it is true that we can't see the footwear and the ground level, we have two pictures taken in two different occasions where the difference between them seems pretty similar and consistent with each other: around an inch, give or take a fraction. Anything is possible, but are you trying to say that Boris has footwear and ground advantage twice, to the point that he looks 1-2 inches (depending on how tall you think Dennis is) taller than he really is? And Wentworth and Kim, they both did a movie with Boris and, speaking of Wentworth, I'm sure he is in pretty big boots throughout the movie. If you don't believe me, go check it yourself (I certainly cannot post the entire movie on here). And there is more than one scene of them together where Boris looks comfortably over 3 inches taller than Wentworth and no less than 3.5 inches, in fact. If Boris really was 6'3 barefoot, that would mean that he is in lifts. There is no other explanation. I mean, Wentworth must be at least 6'1.75-6'2 in those shoes, assuming he is near 6'0.5, which makes Boris AT LEAST 6'5.25-6'5.5 in whatever shoes. So, or he is in 2.5 inches lifts or he must be somewhere around 6'4. As for Kim, I honestly don't remember what kind of shoes he wears, but Boris looks at least 4 good inches taller than him and can even pull off looking more 5 inches taller in some scenes. And Rob met Kim and said that he is not under 5'11.5 in person...
As for Shawne, I honestly am not so sure about him. Maybe Rob should give him a page. I can see how he can look barely 6'3 at times, but he can also look nearer 6'4 next to those two measured guys. Does that 6'2.4 figure (which I think means 6'2 4/8, so 6'2.5) really comes from an official measurement? If yes, he apparently got measured once at 6'4 3/8, once at 6'2 4/8 and he himself claims to be 6'5 on Twitter: Click Here Just for that, he should be added on here :P If he really is as low as 6'2.5, I have no problem to admit that Boris looks barely 6'3 in that picture I have posted. In fact, like you say, Boris doesn't look more than a cm taller than Shawne there...
As for height differences, I don't think they are an opinion. Take Rob's picture with Ray Fisher, for example. The difference between them looks over 5 inches but not quite 6 inches, so saying that Ray looks only 5 inches (or under) taller than Rob or as much as 6 inches (or over) taller than Rob is WRONG. It's no coincidence that Ray looks 6'1.5-6'1.75 under the mugshot lines that Rob added to the photo. He looks that way because height differences are not an opinion, but a fact. Same thing when it comes to guessing celebrities' heights. There are always degrees of believability, in fact. Speaking of Boris, 6'3 certainly seems quite hard to believe, to say the least. Why? Because he constantly looks taller than that. Not with one, not with two, but with many people (basically every person he appeared with). That being said, I could even respect your 6'3 estimate for Boris (although I honestly don't know based on what you think he is as low as that), but don't say that you respect my 6'4 estimate because it certainly doesn't look like that, especially at the beginning of this discussion. And when I said that you or Canson have no clue about height differences was because you insisted that Boris looks "clearly 2 inches shorter than Kobe, at least 4 inches shorter than Magic, 2-3 inches shorter than Rick Fox" or even "4 inches taller than Wayne Brady" (in Canson's case), when it's not really the case... Now, I admit that saying "you have no clue about height differences" might have been a bit too harsh to say, but again, not only you insisted that the difference was "clearly" as much as you said, but you also made fun of me when I said that the difference between Boris and Kobe looks no more than 3 cms, the difference between Boris and Magic looks no more than 3.5 inches and the difference between Boris and Rick looks no more than 1.5 inches (which, guess what, later turned out to be Rob's same thoughts)...
Canson said on 1/Dec/17
@Christian: and it’s something Rob actually said a while back where having large data sets like that make the chances of error even higher. NFL is hundreds of players per year that go to the combine more so than NBA. Free actually told me that on Michael Irvin’s page.
Canson said on 1/Dec/17
Nice insights Free! I actually thought he was taller but asked someone who has met him and said the same thing you told me on Irvin’s page that he was 6’2” tops. When i met him i wasn’t close enough to tell but having met Davis he’s a legit 6’3” and turns out is taller than Merriman
Free said on 1/Dec/17
Good photo lineup of 6-2 Merriman with 6-2.6 Luis Castillo and 6-4.3 senior bowl measured Vincent Jackson. Click Here
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 1/Dec/17
@Andrea

If you say that the pics I provided "prove nothing", then I can easily say the same for your pics as well. Most of the pics you provided where Boris looks 6'4"+ don't show footwear, ground level, and the way they're standing either, like the ones with Dennis Haysbert, Boris Becker, Steve Harvey, Tyson Beckford, Wentworth Miller, and Kim Coates.
And if Shawne's really a weak 6'4", then it makes no sense at all for multiple people (both on Celebheights and outside) to have met him and guessed him at 6'2". So you're saying that all those people either lied or underestimated him by nearly 2 inches? Btw, 6'2.75" wrestler Titus O'neil looked quite a bit taller than Shawne here Click Here and if that's not enough for you, Shawne was measured 6'2.4" at the draft Click Here and listed 6'2" on his official NFL pro day Click Here
And the fact that I used terms like "downgrade" and "upgrade" doesn't mean that I don't think guessing height is an opinion. I say "downgrade" and "upgrade" because of my opinion that certain celebs are overlisted or underlisted. Those terms I use are opinion-based, not fact-based. For example, I say that Rampage tends to upgrade celebs, because it's my opinion that a lot of celebs aren't as tall as Rampage says they are.
Even height differences are an opinion, but you're right about one thing though, there are degrees of believability. For example, if one celeb in a pic is a full head taller than the other one, and poster A thinks it's a 9.5" difference, and poster B thinks it's a 6" difference, then of course, poster A is much closer to the truth and that's undisputable. However, if poster B thinks it's a 9" difference, then poster B's estimate is just as reasonable as well, because depending on the head size of that celeb, or footwear or posture, can affect that half inch easily.
I actually do respect your 6'4" estimate for Boris (contrary to what you think) even though I disagree with it. You don't have to agree with my 6'3" estimate for Boris either, but at least respect it instead of saying stupid crap like I have "no clue about height differences" just because you disagree with my opinions.
Free said on 1/Dec/17
Merriman looking the same height as 6-2 Larry English. Click Here
Free said on 1/Dec/17
Andrea, Merriman was measured 6-2 at his pro day Click Here

Couchscout had him at 6-2.4 exactly. Click Here
Canson said on 1/Dec/17
Jordan is 6’4 1/2. Look at him next to 6’9 Larry Bird

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Canson said on 1/Dec/17
@Checker: i think 6’2” for Merriman
checker said on 30/Nov/17
Tyson Beckford is really 5'11.
checker said on 30/Nov/17
Not sure how Merriman only looks 6'0 with 5'11 Mario. Click Here

And shorter than 6'2 Marcus Allen Click Here
Andrea said on 30/Nov/17
I agree that Shawne doesn't look as tall as his alleged 6'4 3/8 measurement, Christian, but I'm not sure he's as low as 6'3 flat, let alone under. That picture with Vernon is quite bad and really proves nothing, considering that it's being shot from a very bad angle and that there is even some tilt in Vernon's favour. I mean, if Vernon really is as tall as 6'3 range, Shawne doesn't look much more than 6'1 there... Same thing for that photo with Nelson. It's being taken from a very low camera angle, which makes Nelson noticeably taller than he really is, considering that his head looks closer to the camera. And no, before you say that, I'm not making any excuses. I'm just analyzing those pictures. And Tyson Beckford... You can directly compare him with Boris, considering that there is more than one picture with him where Tyson looks at least 4 inches shorter... That being said, I'm not so sure about Shawne, but he can certainly look nearer 6'4 than 6'3 with other measured athletes. The guy on the left, Victor Cruz, was measured near 182 and he actually looks around that mark with celebrities: Click Here You can also see him with this other guy, Kassim Osgood, who apparently got measured at 6'4 7/8 ( Click Here ): Click Here Maybe that 6'4 3/8 figure comes from a very early measurement and he's more a weak 6'4... As for Michael Jordan, that 6'4.5 measurement seems more an anecdote than a fact to me. From the few photos I've seen of him, I think he looks closer to 6'5 than say 6'4.5, but he may well dip a fraction under 6'5 and be more 6'4.75-6'5 than "the full 6'5". The thing with those pictures with Michael Jordan is that Boris is standing too close to say anything about them. I mean, you can't even tell the exact difference between them. In this one you have posted, Click Here, I can see an argument for Boris looking over an inch shorter than Michael, but again you can't see the footwear, the ground level or even the way they're standing. If you think that these things are just an excuse and they have no meaning in your head, then you must take this photo into consideration as well: Click Here I mean, it's not any different from the other one (you can't see the footwear, the ground level and the way they're standing), apart from the fact Boris looks taller than Michael of course (and he is not standing any closer to the camera in this case). I could easily use it to say that Boris is over 6'5, assuming that Michael Jordan is near 6'5 himself, but I don't because I do realize that it's not an ideal photo. Just like the other photo...
As for using the terms "downgrade" and "upgrade"... I totally expected an answer like that from you, LOL. You obviously didn't get the point of what I said. You are the one who says that everything is an opinion. Not me. We've already had a discussion about that, where you kept saying that you respect everyone's opinion (it certainly doesn't look like that) and that everything is an opinion on here, even the height differences. If you have a decent memory, you should remember that I always said that I disagree about that and that I don't think that everything is an opinion (meaning that I think there are always degrees of believability), hence why I can easily use those terms. You can't, if you want to be coherent with what you say. But again, you obviously aren't...
Canson said on 30/Nov/17
@Ramage: i don’t think a flat 6’2” either but his website did list home 6’2.5 and Bobby3342 and Bennett both said he’s about 6’2.75 while Mr R said 6’3 or a hair over. My guess is he can be as high as 6’3” but a weak 6’3” looks very likely with Merriman or Kobe honestly. A full 6’3” with magic perhaps
Canson said on 30/Nov/17
@Christian: i think that’s a discrepancy on MJ’s height tho but not on your part more on the website’s. That was supposedly when he was at Chapel Hill when he measured that likely when he had a tad bit of hair imho but I’ve heard conflicting reports that it was in one or the other. I totally believe Barkley’s tho as a 6’4 5/8” would be rounded up on a 1/4” system even today and to 6’5” more than likely back in 1984.
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 30/Nov/17
6ft2 is a joke
Canson said on 30/Nov/17
@Christian: that’s correct on Davis. He’s a “good 6’3”. My buddy who is 6’3” wouldn’t appear any different and he dips to 190.3-190.4 i believe at night but unless they stood back to back i would have a hard time telling who’s taller. Wouldn’t surprise me if Davis does edge him tho but it’s not anymore than maybe 1/8”-1/4” and would need to measure them most likely to tell. As for Merriman we were at a game think Checker is right it was against Miami (my 6’3 friend works for a firm in the DC area as an Exec and gets tickets to Nationals capitals redskins wizards DC United Maryland, American university, George mason and Georgetown games games pretty often and even has season tickets for the Capitals and Wizards). So we all have been to multiple games over the years with him. As for Merriman i saw him from a good distance when we were in line at the concession stands but he wasn’t close enough to where i could tell how tall he was. I assumed he was about 6’3-6’4 But after poster Free made the comment to me, i asked someone and he had met him and he agreed he’s not as tall as me or even my 6’3” buddy and was only about two inches taller than him (he’s 6’0) and said Merriman is no more than 6’2”. But it’s not uncommon there as we were at a Basketball game once and met Jared Gaither (ex football player) who played pro for the Ravens and the Raiders. Gaither was combine 6’8 5/8 and listed 6’9 in the NFL and my 6’7” friend was right next to him and shook hands etc and was only “about” an inch shorter when we saw him. He’s def not much higher than 6’8”. Then again he had to have been 350+ so maybe he loses more height during the day
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 29/Nov/17
@Andrea

Again, Rampage's opinion on the height of celebs has nothing to do with his character as an individual. I disagreed on a lot of his estimates, but it doesn't mean that I think negative of him. And I could care less if he gets on my side or not, that's not my issue.
And Shawne's not the 6'4 3/8" like he's listed. Here he's about an inch shorter than 6'3 1/4" measured Vernon Davis Click Here Click Here (whom Canson also met and confirmed was 6'3") and about 3" shorter with 6'5 1/8" measured Nelson Rosario Click Here Click Here also around 3" taller than Tyson Beckford who's listed 6'0" by Rob Click Here so even if Tyson's actually 6'0", it still puts Shawne at 6'3". Boris looked at best only 1cm taller than Shawne in their pic together. Click Here So no way Boris looks 6'4" there. And Jordan's more like 6'4.5" rather than 6'5". He doesn't look any taller than 6'4 5/8" measured Barkley in most of their pics, and matter of fact can even look a bit shorter than Barkley in some of them. Also Jordan was measured 6'4.88" in 1992 which is very likely an early measurement Click Here and according to NBA executive and coach Pat Riley, Jordan was measured 6'4.5" when he entered the league. Click Here So even if you think that Boris only was an inch shorter than Jordan (which I think the difference is a bit bigger than that), it would still put Boris at 6'3.5" tops.

And you used the terms "downgrade" and "upgrade" plenty of times in the same context like me and many other posters use, so don't act like you're better than me.

On Deborah Ann Woll's page:
"Andrea said on 28/Oct/16
The only actress who needs a drastic downgrade here is Elodie Yung, who certainly doesn't look anywhere around her 5'5 listing with the Daredevil cast! Even 5'4 really seems too much with Deborah and Elden!!!"

On Kenny Johnson's page:
"Andrea said on 11/Oct/14
Rob, could you downgrade him to at least 6'0.5 or i must put the scene with Tom Welling? Even 6' is arguable with him!"

On Geoff Stults' page:
"ANDREA[ITA] said on 25/Oct/11
Lan, why you gotta downgrade everyone? Hes taller than 6'2! 6'2.5 is right! Vince vaughn is taller than 6'4! 6'4.5 is about right!"

On Corey Hawkins' page:
"Andrea said on 5/Aug/17
Why the upgrade? I thought the full 6' was already generous enough...
As you said, he looks barely, to say the least, 6' with that Christian Camargo guy.
With Dominic and a few other guys: Click Here
Not the best picture but I think he would be easily shorter than Dom, more than a quarter, without considering the fact that Dom himself might be more 6'0.25..."

On Christian Masterson's page:
Andrea said on 13/Feb/16
Is she really 0'0 range in person? She does look taller than that with you...
5'3 range is more realistic, upgrade her, Rob!"

On Jonathan Banks' page (my favorite):
"Andrea said on 21/Mar/16
Stop downgrading? Where did I downgrade here?
I did say i can't say anything about his peak but on BB and BCS he generally can look anywhere in 5'7-5'7.5 range, at times even almost 5'8! I said you can argue he looks just 5'7 flat at times but i wouldn't go lower than that! This is not called downgrading, but discussion :)
The fact is... that you should stop UPGRADING everyone! Almost every page is spammed with your silly estimates!
I wonder why Rob still allows you to post on this site..."
Canson said on 29/Nov/17
@Andrea: well you’re not accurate there because Boris for sure isn’t 6’4” if you’re saying he and shawne merriman are the same height. Vernon Davis Is 6’3 as he is listed and is taller than Merrmiman. Like Christian as well as checker below and the others like Free said here on Celebheights Merriman is only 6’2”. And i am already anticipating something about the picture having some type of issue. So it won’t shrprise me one bit the excuse that comes up. But looks no different than your pic with Haysbert and you can’t claim Davis has a camera advantage because he doesn’t in this pic.

Click Here
Canson said on 29/Nov/17
@Andrea: you have an excuse for every pic where Boris looks below 6’4”. If it weren’t camera advantage it would be something else. So what’s the difference with your first pic with Haysbert whether there is a clear camera advantage or not Boris is tilting his head down which is giving him height. That is not a 2cm difference if you are saying the pic with Kobe and Boris (initially you called that 2 cm then you said one inch now it’s 3cm). Either way that is not anything close. But with Boris and Haysbert since you like to bitch about other variables such as footwear ground level etc i don’t see you attacking those in the pic with Haysbert even tho it’s no different than the pic with Boris and Idris. And as Christian mentioned camera advantage doesn’t mean the person is closer all of the time. There are plenty of your pics where you can’t see footwear and Boris is favored. But since they make Boris 6’4” to prove your case, none of that matters to you.

@Christian: imho the pic with Magic, Boris had a slight advantage as well and still doesn’t look above 6’3”. I won’t call it under but that’s a 4” difference between them. However if he did look any shorter in the pic, it would, instead, be Andrea saying that we can’t see Magic’s footwear or ground level or that Magic is somehow favored. Of course the lift excuse isn’t gonna work with Magic because no need for a guy 2 meters or more to engage in that lol
Andrea said on 28/Nov/17
Well, Rainn is just one of the many cases... You often attacked him for "upgrading" celebrities. Which is funny, considering that if you really believe in what you say ("Everything is an opinion"), the words "downgrade" and "upgrade" make no sense on here. It just goes to show your hypocrisy, again! Funny how you even try to get him on your side, by saying that he seems a decent guy (unlike me, of course 😁), after what you told him in the past, LOL. You must be really desperate!
As for those pictures with Idris, Idris has a clear camera advantage. Even a blind man would see it... As for Jamie's picture, Jamie is standing a bit closer to the camera as well, but he doesn't seem to get a noticeable advantage like Idris does in those pictures. In fact, I never denied that he looks noticeably under 6'4 there, but again that's the ONLY occasion where he can look as low as that. As for the other pictures you have mentioned (with Shawne, Magic, Rick and Kobe), Boris still looks around 6'4 in all of them, all things considered. As for Michael Jordan's pictures, you are the one who first brought them up, so I don't see why you're saying that Boris has a ton of advantage now...
Free said on 28/Nov/17
Boris looks around 191-192 range
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 28/Nov/17
@Andrea

First off, I've never called Rampage himself as pathetic, I just said that his constant inflating is. And just because I disagree with his opinions, doesn't mean that I can't have respect for him. I respect Rampage as an individual, because overall he seems like a decent guy (unlike you). I just didn't really like the fact that he upgraded Rainn Wilson to 6'2", despite Rainn himself claiming both 6'1.5" and even as precise as 6'1 5/8". It makes totally no sense for a legit 6'2" to ever claim something like 6'1 5/8" unless if he's actually that height.
And are you seriously implying that all the pics where Boris looks about 6'3" is due camera disadvantage? There was no camera disadvantage in that pic with Jamie Foxx. There was no camera disadvantage in that pic with Shawne Merriman. There was no camera disadvantage in that pic with Magic Johnson. And Boris even had a slight ADVANTAGE in those pics with Rick Fox and Kobe Bryant. And clearly a ton of advantage with Michael Jordan. Click Here Click Here
Andrea said on 27/Nov/17
So saying that Idris has a clear camera advantage, because he does, is an excuse now? LOL You crack me up, Canson! Idris has a clear camera advantage in all of them. Should I deny that to make you happier? The fact that you say that neither has an advantage speaks again about your inability of gauging photos and height differences. Funny how you say that Boris doesn't look over 6'3 with Kobe "to an unbiased objective person", when even Rob says that the difference looks about an inch. So you're basically saying that Rob is biased as well. I think I've heard it all now (well, more than I already did), LOL. I guess that the only unbiased and objective people on here are you and Christian, right? 😂😂😂
"Now had Boris been taller you wouldn’t have even mentioned any of that." --> And you're wrong once again... If that was really the case, I wouldn't have hesitated to post this clip as some kind of evidence: Click Here Boris can look near 3 inches taller than Idris in that scene but he has a noticeable camera advantage, so the clip is quite useless, hence why I have never posted it because I didn't think it was worth it. This is the difference between me and you...
Canson said on 27/Nov/17
@Andrea; let’s stop bringing up other people’s past interactions because for you to critique Christian or me would mean that you would need to be free from confrontations when it’s already been established that you aren’t. If your house isn’t clean don’t go commenting on someone else’s period. It’s just that Christian and I didn’t go there with you and even bring that up you brought it up with us instead in a very hypocritical action on your part.
Canson said on 27/Nov/17
@Andrea: wow you really are like clock work. how did we know that you would make another excuse for christian’s pics with Idris just as you did with the one i posted? And just like you did with Foxx. Tell me you are joking saying Idris has camera advantages with the pics Christian posted. Nether has an advantage. Now had Boris been taller you wouldn’t have even mentioned any of that. Love how your excuse has gone from Ground level footwear etc and how you asked or sorry begged the statement “i don’t see any PIcs where he clearly looks under 6’4”. Well these are pictures where he looks under it whether you like or accept it or not. Christian posted 2 (3 if you count Kobe because he also doesn’t look over 6’3 to an unbiased objective person but that clearly isn’t you). Instead it’s an excuse when he doesn’t look over 6’3 or even 6’2. but we should know that by now because it’s how you operate. And Boris with Magic Johnson in their pic is no different than the ones with Elba but because you “make the math work” to see he’s 6’4 it is deemed a good pic. And btw i don’t hear you say anything about Boris and Kobe where Boris is favored. Instead, you diminish their height difference. And i love your response making everything you say a “fact” when it’s not. It’s an opinion. Your opinions tho are considered fact because youre a know it all.
Andrea said on 27/Nov/17
Your past, Christian? LOL
The only reason why I brought your comment on Lesnar's page up was to show your hypocrisy, considering that you previously called a guy a liar just because he didn't see the same way you do and you later attacked me just because I said the same thing to Canson. As for your overall discussion with that guy, I couldn't care less. The Rock? I don't think I've ever mentioned any discussion of yours on his page. And Rosenbaum? I only mentioned the discussion you had with me on his page... Of course, you now have to mention Rampage because he's probably the only guy I have ever had a "serious" fight with throughout these years, even though you yourself have often attacked him in the past by saying that he's pathetic because he upgrades everyone. But now that you can use him to attack me, you even say that you respect him and his opinions. What a liar and hypocrite you are, LOL.
Again, you post 3 pictures where Idris has some big camera advantage... As I said, according to that "logic", I could post many pictures or videos where Boris looks 6'5. I don't, though. I don't because I am well aware of things like camera angles, camera positions and camera advantage. You apparently are not...
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 26/Nov/17
@Andrea

"but what's the connection between him and this discussion? I don't think I brought every guy you had a fight with on here up."

LOL, what a liar and a hypocrite you are. You brought up my past several times during this discussion, and try to use it against me, including the ones with the Lesnar, The Rock and the Rosenbaum pages, along with others. And I only brought up one guy (Rampage) into the discussion, so how is that "every guy"?

And there are at least 3 pics with Idris ALONE, where Boris looks 6'3" max Click Here Click Here Click Here If you said that "I haven't seen a single pic where Boris looks short as that", that's one thing (even though you've already seen the first pic with Boris and Idris so that's still a lie) but to confidently say "he has never looked as short as that" makes it seem like it's a fact that Boris never looked 6'3", and that's even worse.
Canson said on 26/Nov/17
@Andrea: something i do often or you can “make a list”? this is exactly what i have been talking about throughout the entire argument. That is very hypocritical on your part. You keep saying stuff like “in more pics Boris looks taller” or you did it with Rampage but that “ i did it with multiple posters”. It’s not about volume or how many times you got in the argument or continue to. The Bottom line is if you do it or have done it in the past getting in progressive arguments like you have with Rampage, then it really leaves you no room to go and critique others about arguments they get in or have been in because you’ve done the same before. Sure i have but i didn’t make the comment below you did. I didn’t deny it or even accuse you, you accused me. i said what i did about you getting into it with Rampage because you brought it up with me below obviously in your post last week. So my response was not about how often either of us have gotten into an argument. Instead l, it is to prove that everything you say about me can easily be said about you as well, and that the approach that you take with me accusing me of the same stuff you do is a very hypocritical approach that you take. And this is not to be rude. i am just being honest with you as it appears that you make those types of comments you make to deflect attention off of yourself onto others and you tend to only think others do the things you do or don’t think what you do matters or is noticeable. Again, I don’t deny that I’ve gotten into it with others. Just like you say your arguments with Rampage have a history some of the ones I’ve had also have history with the posters before i got into it. As far as comments, if you want to make a list and just like you accuse me of with Moe for example, you made similiae comments to him before i did as you did to 6’3” saying what you did below. So that comment to me was better left out to be honest.
Canson said on 25/Nov/17
@Andrea; i have to disagree about the difference between the pics. The one with just Boris and Dennis doesn’t look 2cm if that’s the case then Kobe and Boris is at minimum 4cm. There’s a clear difference between the two pics. But in keeping with the two pics of Boris and Haysbert there is a difference between them as well. The one where they are standing with others and aren’t next to each other looks significantly different in terms of difference than the first one. And because Dennis is not standing straight. However I’d be hard pressed to find a difference in the first pic of more than a cm and only because Boris has his head tilted downward. As for the Merriman comparison Checker showed with Vernon Davis what Christian said that he’s 6’2. Now i mentioned before that I’ve seen Merriman from a distance but that was not a good way for me to determine height other than to say i thought he was near me because i wasn’t close to him. However i have stood right next to Davis before and am certain he is 6’3” and as suspected being I’ve never found a pic of both, Davis is taller than he is and the other pics Checker posted also show that he isn’t over 6’2. It adds up with what someone else told me that has stood in front of him that he’s 6’2 not 6’4. I myself am about 6’4 3/8. I’ve also seen Merriman next to Magic and that’s not a difference of only 2.5” or so. That’s more than that.

As for Idris Elba, i don’t see what makes the pic with Him any worse. Camera angle favors Boris is other pics but it’s never been addressed before. But My point with the Idris pic was to show another instance where he looks below 6’4 and he doesn’t look 6’4” with Elba. We differ on the Kobe Magic Fox pics. I believe all things considered in Kobe’s pic Boris isn’t over 6’3” that looks more than 3cm imho and of course Boris has a slightly thicker shoe. 6’3” therefore is the max i could give Boris. With Magic i never believed him to be 6’7.5. He’s noticeably shorter even than Kurt Rambis who was listed 6’8 and is doesn’t look that much taller than Jamal Wilkes who was listed 6’6” on the roster. I bring up listed heights because everyone knows in basketball that that isn’t usually a barefoot height. It’s at minimum rounded up. And also because a 6’6” small forward like Wilkes or a 6’8” power forward like Rambis (the latter especially) are on the small side for the positions in that era. Rambis i can buy 6’7” range as I look at pics with Carmelo Anthony who is his ore draft height at most 6’6.25 as I’ve met him and Rambis is not close to 2” taller than him. Now Rambis May have shrunken a hair but doubt that much as he doesn’t look that much smaller if at all than his prime in other pics. If anything i can buy him as maybe a 202cm range guy peak. That said Magic looked 6’7” and that’s a 4” difference in that pic. The one with Fox, Fox is leaning. That’s not a huge diff with the lean but if Fox stops straight it likely is much higher. To be fair tho out of the three the pic with Kobe is the only one where we can clearly see footwear.
Canson said on 25/Nov/17
@checker: meant to say that’s as low as i see him 189-190. But can see 6’3 In some pics too. 189-190 with Davis tho prob half inch
Andrea said on 24/Nov/17
Yeah, something you often do, Canson. If you want, I can make a list. Sure, I had my little fights with Rampage throughout the years, but I had my reasons and I never got as personal as you often do. And you do/did it not only with one poster, but with many...
As for Boris, it is true that we haven't met him, but this could be said for any celebrity. The Rock has never looked as tall as 6'4 to me, from pictures and videos. I haven't met him, though. Does that mean he could have really been near 6'4 at peak? I would completely rule it out, even if I haven't met him, because he never looked as tall as that. For the same reason, I would completely rule something like 6'3 out for Boris because he never looked as short as that...
"If you think it's more than that, that's your problem." was a nice way of saying that you are wrong, considering that the difference between Boris and Dennis does look close to 2 cms in that picture, just like the difference between Boris and Kobe doesn't look more than 3 cms, but whatever... One more thing, you tried to compare Idris' picture with Dennis' ones... Although it is true that you can't see the footwear and the ground level in any of them, the difference between them is that 1)Idris has a big camera advantage, while Boris doesn't (with Dennis) and 2)in Dennis' case, we have two pictures taken in two different occasions where the difference between them seems pretty similar and consistent with each other: around an inch, give or take a fraction. So it's a little bit different, but even in this case whatever...
Andrea said on 24/Nov/17
Sorry for the late reply, but I've been a bit busy. The only reason why I said that it was a big joke is because he has never looked as short as that. Even with Idris, Kobe, Magic, Jordan, Rick Fox, Jamie Foxx, and Shawne Merriman he does look nearer 6'4 than 6'3. The lowest he can look is 192 (only with Kobe, in fact)...
Why do you have to bring Rampage up now? I don't want to start another fight with him because I've already said what I think about him, but what's the connection between him and this discussion? I don't think I brought every guy you had a fight with on here up. And trust me, the list would be quite long! And once again you jump to conclusions... Sure, Rampage said that Metcalf looked under 6' with a slouch (which is not so clear, btw). Even without considering any possible slouch, he still looks over 6' with Jenny though. 5'11 is a big joke! As for Eamonn Walker, he explicitly asked Rob if 186-7 was possible for him. Sure, he didn't say "I think he is 186-7", but why asking something like that if you don't think that it is even remotely possible? This is not their pages though, and above all, I consider those discussions with him closed. Funny how you even try to use Rampage now, when you don't even know all the "background story" between us, to attack me, when this is what you told him a few months ago: "Your persistent inflating of celebs is really pathetic.". The HYPOCRISY... I now get why he got frustrated with you and suggested Rob to ban you...
Canson said on 23/Nov/17
Doubt it Checker prob 6’2.5 or .75
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 23/Nov/17
@checker

I doubt Titus is only 6'2". There are some pics where he looks easily 6'3"+, but 6'2.75" is fair.
checker said on 22/Nov/17
Could Titus be as low as 6'2?
Canson said on 22/Nov/17
@Checker: those are good pictures and good thoughts! I asked two people who has seen merriman up close. Both said he’s around 6’2. One is half inch shorter than me at 6’3 3/4 that i used to work with and said he’s close to 2” shorter than he is
Canson said on 21/Nov/17
@Checker: that actually sounds about right. I knew it was not too too long after he and Davis had both left and DHB was def there
Canson said on 21/Nov/17
@Checker: Davis is for sure in person very tall. I’m 6’4 plus myself and even to me was 1-1.5 max shorter. I don’t put him under 6’3 for sure and not above maybe 6’3-6’3.25. I don’t even see him as a guy who is 6’4” out of bed just prob a normal 6’3 or a touch over.
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 21/Nov/17
@Andrea

I know I'm not perfect (no one is), but the only reason why I said the stuff I said on Idris' page, was because you explicilty said on Idris' page on 14/Aug/17 that "6'3 is a big joke for Boris!" This surely doesn't seem like an opinion either, but rather a fact. If you would've just said something like "I don't believe Boris is 6'3"", then I wouldn't have responded the way I did, and very likely the discussion could've ended a lot quicker and peaceful. And there are a quite few pics where Boris looks 6'3" range, such as the ones with Idris, Kobe, Magic, Jordan, Rick Fox, Jamie Fox, and Shawne Merriman, so 6'3" certainly isn't a joke.
And don't say I'm playing the victim here, when you're the one who took "you contradicted yourself" as an attack. Seriosuly, who gets insulted over something like that? It's not my fault that you have thin skin and get triggered so easily. That may explain why you had another long heated argument with Rampage Clover. I don't always agree with Rampage's estimations, but I get why he got frustrated with you. On the Terry Kinney page, you accused him of saying that Eamonn Walker's 186-187, when he clearly didn't. He said on Walker's page that he's 184-185 and also 6'0". Another example, on the Mark Metcalf page, you accused Rampage of being "bipolar" because he said that Metcalf looked 5'11" and then said he looked 6'0.5" (which is ridiculous because bipolar disorder isn't about being indecisive about height differences, rather it's a mental condition where a person fluctuates between depression and happiness on a regular basis) but you took his words out of context because he said "Looks under 6ft w/h a slouch but might still clear it when measured." He meant he looked 5'11" when slouched. I could give more examples, but I believe my message was loud and clear.
So don't accuse me of misunderstanding and jumping to conclusions, when you're doing the exact thing.
checker said on 21/Nov/17
There is another pic of Titus with Vernon where Vernon is clearly taller. I thought to myself, how the hell do people think hes 6'4?

Now I see where Florida listed him at 6'3. Titus could be just 6'2-6-2.5. Though he looks like he has over an inch on Merriman at least on video. I can see Merriman as low as 6'1.75. Couchscout had him at 6'2.4. The NFL site had him at an even 6'2.

6'7 Rudy Gay said Merriman played basketball like a "6'2 Jermaine Oneal" on his twitter a few years ago. Merriman didnt deny it.
checker said on 21/Nov/17
I had never seen that pic of Merriman and Titus. They look the same height. But in the video Titus looks to have about 2 inches on Merriman.

6'5 1/8 measured Nelson Rosario with Merriman. Click Here Clear 3 inch difference.

Funny thing is If that 6'4.3 measurement for Merriman was true, that would make Boris a near laughable 6'5 since he edges him out in that pic.

About Vernon Davis, I thought for sure he was 6'2 before he was measured. Low chance he was the 6'3 he was listed by Maryland. Some even thought he was as short as 6'1. He must not be a guy who looks taller than his height. A guy who scouted a bunch of would be draftees in 2006 down in florida said Well, he looks at least 6'2, and he could be a full 6'3.
checker said on 21/Nov/17
I was at that Terps game. Miami 2006. Heyward-bey had 2 awesome touchdown catches burning Miami players. Merriman was suspended from the Chargers because they found a banned substance in his system. He was dressed in all black on the sideline down from the Maryland bench closer to the end zone. Somebody pointed to him to me and even from a distance I said, wow, he looks shorter in street clothes.

I got closer to him toward the end and he looked 6'2 to me. Ive been looking for these glasses he wore at that game forever. Coolest looking glasses. Click Here

Also whats funny is my cousin was at that game as well, and I had no idea.
Canson said on 21/Nov/17
@Checker: concur with you. I’ve seen merriman “from a distance” but can’t give a qualified estimate as i wasn’t that close to him and assumed he was closer to my height of 6’4” but I was wrong and after doing research (i think you were one of the ones before who told me he was under). And I’ve been looking for a picture with he and Davis tho because i know how tall he is.I have stood right next to Davis and he is 6’3. In fact i won’t rule out Strong 6’3 (6’3-6’3.25).but I think if anything he’s got him by an inch (he looks taller) just due to the angle and looks comparable to O’Neill but may edge him too by a hair meaning Titus may be 6’2.75 like Christian has him pegged. I saw Merriman from a distance at a Terps game a while back (Wanna say he was with the Chargers at the time)
Canson said on 20/Nov/17
@Andrea: something i do often here? You should go check out your interactions over the years with Rampage. You’re really one to talk
checker said on 20/Nov/17
6'3 Vernon has always had a clear inch on 6'2 Merriman. Click Here

6'2 Marcus Allen actually looks taller than him here If you scroll down a little. Click Here

There use to be more pics of them on the internet since they both played at Maryland. There was video of them on youtube on the red carpet at the Espys where Vernon looked even taller than 6'3 next to him.
Canson said on 20/Nov/17
@Andrea: I’ll be reasonable here and say that I respect your opinion. I however have my own as does Christian as well that you need to respect
Canson said on 20/Nov/17
@Andrea: You proved both my point when you said you thought i was an open minded guy. Why would you say that unless you are trying to get me to change my opinion or my estimate? That basically is telling me you thought i would simply just “agree” with you. You made some points in the debate Andrea that i will not take away from you. However we also have made them here which is what i have said all along. At the end of the day none of us 3 has met him so we don’t know how he will end up looking in person.

Let me also add where you say the difference with them is 2cm and 3cm respectively and saying it’s “my problem”. Just like Christian told you before you make stuff “fact” when it may or may not be. I’m not going to go this route but I’m sure if others compared the pics with Boris/Haysbert and Boris/Kobe that anyone else will tell that that is a much greater difference where as the one with Boris/Haysbert is not all that noticeable. And again, you keep bringing up the difference there yet when i mention the pic with Elba, that one is all of a sudden a bad pic when you can’t see ground or footwear with the Haysbert pic either. You always choose to ignore when i day that as you likely don’t have a rebuttal to it because you know that I’m right. If there is a response it will be that you “never said it was a good pic”. You didn’t have to. You saying the other was bad when it has the same factors was enough said and the fact you posted that pic
Canson said on 20/Nov/17
@Andrea: You proved both my point when you said you thought i was an open minded guy. Why would you say that unless you are trying to get me to change my opinion or my estimate? That basically is telling me you thought i would simply just “agree” with you. You made some points in the debate Andrea that i will not take away from you. However we also have made them here which is what i have said all along. At the end of the day none of us 3 has met him so we don’t know how he will end up looking in person
checker said on 20/Nov/17
Titus Oneil was listed at 6'3 at Florida. Hes not taller than that. Click Here

Here he is on video looking 2 inches taller than Shawne Merriman. Click Here. Merriman was measured at his pro day at 6'2. Click Here Click Here

Also, there were a couple of pics on 6'3 Vernon Davis's Instagram where he looked an inch taller than Titus. Could Titus only be 6'2? Well he actually looks 6'4 with 6'2 Shawne. And Vernon has always had an inch or a little more on Shawne in pics and video.

What does that say about Boris.
Andrea said on 20/Nov/17
We've already been there, Christian. Maybe you didn't specifically call me a fanboy, but you said "no matter how you much want him to be taller", which is something you often do when people say a celebrity is taller than what you think. You did it on Michael's page and you also did it at the beginning of this very long discussion about Boris, when everything was still civil. This is what you said on Idris' page, just because I didn't agree with you: "But knowing that you want Boris to be 6'4" so bad". And you even said: "This should end all the BS estimations about Boris being 6'4".". It certainly doesn't look like a simple opinion, to be fair. And, I repeat it, everything was still civil at that point... This is what I don't like about you. It really looks like that everything you say is a fact, when in reality it's not.
When I said that you jump to conclusions too fast, I wasn't specifically talking about your estimate for Boris' height. I was talking more in general. To give just one example, you accused me on Ray's page of something I never said (which later triggered another flameful and quite useless discussion on it): "It's funny how you put Ray at 6'1.5" yet he looks taller than Ben Affleck, so where does that leave Affleck then, 6'1"? Lol. You even said once on the Boris Kodjoe page that Rob isn't off by more than half an inch whenever he meets a celeb. So you're saying Rob's off by a full inch if he's listing Ray as 6'2.5" yet you're insisting he's 6'1.5" You contradicted yourself.". Don't take that as an offence, but you should think twice before answering to someone, especially if your intent is to attack them. As for calling some of your comments stupid, I'm not taking it back. I still think that some comments you made were pretty stupid, but this doesn't necessarily mean you are a stupid person. I honestly don't think you are, in fact. It's just that, at times, you seem to misunderstand things and jump to conclusions too fast.
To be fair, I really do want to move on because I'm really tired of all of this. This has definitely gone too far. As I said, I've been on CelebHeights for about 7 years now (so for a much longer time than you, I think) and it for sure never happened to me before to have such a long and flameful discussion. With nobody! Only with you and Canson, in fact. I for sure have my faults, but don't act as if you are the victim and I am the perpetrator because you played a big part in it as well. If you are okay with this, for me the discussion ends here...
Andrea said on 20/Nov/17
Naa, nobody sent me that. That's simply the effect you had on me when I read that post, especially if you consider that they're all things we've already discussed about and that it seems you don't (or don't want) to understand... Let's forget about it, though.
When I said "Canson, if you still think, after all these pictures, that Boris is 6'3 MAX just because a random poster from the site who claims to be 6'4.25-6'4.5 met him and said he looked close to 2 inches shorter than him, I give up." and "I did think you were a very reasonable and open-minded guy from your posts... My bad!" was because, even though I had posted several pictures where Boris looked a decent 6'4, you still said that he never looked 6'4. This is what I don't like about you. You really seem to see only what you want to see and, when challenged, you just lie and/or make excuses. I mean, even recently, you said that the only occasion where Boris can look 6'4 is with Casper Van Dien, even if there are over 20 pictures/videos who say otherwise. And this has nothing to do with me wanting you to believe that Boris is 6'4, 6'5 or 6'6. As I said, I don't care about it. I simply hate ignorance. Without considering the fact that not only you said that, but you also accused me of wanting "my idol Boris" taller than he is, just because I didn't agree with you. Which is pretty childish, especially if you consider that 1) I am not a fan of him by any terms (I barely knew his face before this discussion, but, having seen him with a few celebrities in the past, I thought he looked one of the biggest 6'4 celebrities on here, kinda similar to Jared) and 2) I'm certainly not that kind of poster. In fact, I may be a big fan of a celebrity, but I'll always be an even bigger fan of objectivity, besides the fact that I don't understand why a fan would want his idol to be as tall as possible. As for Boris, I couldn't care less if he was 5'4 or 6'4. The simple reason why I think he must be somewhere around 6'4 is because he constantly looks that range. That's a fact. What is not a fact is how tall he really is. All I can say is that I have certainly seen enough (even too much) to completely rule out something like 6'3. I mean, if he was as low as 6'3, that would mean he wears lifts, always. That's the only way a 6'3 barefoot guy could pull off looking a decent 6'4 as he does...
One last thing, I've been on CelebHeights for a long time now (probably about 7 years) and, although I may have had some run-ins with a few posters every now and then, believe me... It never happened to me before to have such a long and flameful discussion (on here and on any other site/forum). I recognize I may have stepped over the line at times, but I also think you did it in the first place. In fact, that is something you often do on here: getting personal. I should have been smart enough to stop it before. That's all I regret!
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 19/Nov/17
@Andrea

You're keep twisting and misrepresenting my words. I never called anyone a "fanboy" on Rosenbaum's page. And what have I said that suggested that my estimates are facts? I've never called anyone here "stupid" or accuse someone of being clueless about height differences, both of which you've called Canson and I multiple times. I even said before "I understand why some people may believe Boris is 6'4" because he looks it in many pics".
And I'm jumping to conclusions too fast? Like I've said before, I'm never counting out the possibility of Boris being legit 6'4". If I was quick to jumping to conculsions, I would've said "there's absolutely no doubt Boris is 6'3"", but I didn't. And it was funny how you called my comments stupid, yet a few sentences later, said that you don't think I'm stupid at all. Which one is it, Andrea?
And the reason why it won't move on is because you keep on provoking us with your nonsense. This debate was civil until you started to make personal insults against us. I've had several disagreements about heights of celebs with several people in the past, but most of them weren't entitled immature brats like you are, that's why in the majority of those debates, I was able to end them peacefully without ever calling each other names.
Andrea said on 19/Nov/17
I am sorry, Canson, but the difference in that single picture does look close to 2 cms. Just like the difference between Boris and Kobe doesn't seem more than 3 cms. And yeah... I'm really saying that. If you think it's more than that, that's your problem. Let's just say that...
Don said on 19/Nov/17
IMHO he looks in between 6’3-6’4.
Canson said on 19/Nov/17
@Andrea: what did someone send you that and now you’re using it on me? You seem to be very good at finding things like that. Btw in your post back to Christian, you fail to mention that he looks under 6’3” with Idris Elba because that is, after all, a single occurrence.

I have the same issue with you that he does btw. You make things a “fact” and belittle people who don’t agree with you or try to hard to force your opinion. You’re saying he does it but you do it far worse than what you are accusing him of. I’ve never perceived that from him as a matter of fact. Only that he is very direct with people. You are too as am I. I admit all of us can teeter on the edge sometimes and come across that way but your phrases such as “if after all of this you still believe Boris is under 6’4, i don’t know what to tell you” and you saying “i thought you all were reasonable but i guess not” just reinforces all of that. Our opinions and beliefs on height don’t have to coincide all the time. Otherwise i really had no issue agreeing to disagree until all of that began and then it became personal where both of us said stuff would have been better left alone on this site.
Andrea said on 18/Nov/17
Christian, I said that the difference between Boris and Kobe looks no more than 3 cms. I never said that the difference is 2.5 cms. 1-1.25 inches is what you can argue there, all things considered. 2.25 is a pretty precise number, especially if you consider that the difference certainly doesn't look more than an inch in the picture. I mean, you basically calculated that Rick is dropping at least 1.25 inches in posture. How you did it, I don't know...
What I don't like about you is that you think that your estimates are always a fact and, when someone tries to have a normal discussion and disagrees with you, you simply attack them and come out with stupid comments like "you are a fanboy", "you just want him/her to be taller", etc. You first did it on Michael Rosenbaum's page and you did the same at the beginning of this extremely long discussion about Boris, when everything was still civil. That's all! I of course don't think that Boris being 6'4 is a fact. Nobody on here ever measured him, not me and not you. What I think is a fact is that, apart from that single picture with Jamie Foxx, there is not a single occasion where he looks shorter than 6'4 and closer to your 6'3 estimate (even if you can certainly make an argument for 192 with Kobe). And this leads me to believe that he must be somewhere around 6'4. It's simple logic! As I said, I don't think you are a stupid person, at all. Sometimes you seem to misunderstand things and jump to conclusion too fast though. If you are ok with this, maybe it's time to agree to disagree and move on. I think you will agree with me that this has gone too far...
Andrea said on 18/Nov/17
"Canson said on 17/Nov/17
@Andrea: LOL. how is telling someone they want their favorite celeb more insulting than telling them that they can’t estimate height differences? ...
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Canson said on 18/Nov/17
So Andrea, are you really saying that the difference with Boris and Haysbert is 2cm or 1” and that Kobe and Boris is 1” or 3cm max? There is a clear disparity between the two. Clear enough that it’s more than only a 1cm difference between the two pics. Yet you want to sit here and call me a liar because i don’t agree with you or say that I’m “unable to judge differences”. I’d be hard pressed to see a difference of more than “.25-.5 with the pic of he and Haysbert.

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Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 17/Nov/17
@Andrea

Boris was standing in a position that gave him a bit of an camera advantage. You don't necessarily have to stand closer to the camera than the other person to have an advantage. 2.25" is really not that precise, considering it's around 5.5cm. You said before that the difference between Boris and Kobe was 2.5cm, which is just as precise of a guess as 5.5cm
And the biggest problem I have with you is that you make everything as if it's a fact, and anyone who disagrees with you is considered clueless. Even if you believe Boris is 6'4", at least respect my opinion without belittling me and I'll be cool with you. You really don't know how to correctly hold a debate it seems, as you constantly use ad hominem attacks (criticizing the opponent instead of criticizing the opponent's arguements itself.)
Andrea said on 17/Nov/17
The difference between Boris and Dennis looks close to 2 cms in that picture, whether you like it or not. Just like the difference between Boris and Kobe looks no more than 3 cms (again, I never said it is only 2 cms, stop putting words in my mouth). So yeah, "the difference between those two differences" is probably no more than 1 cm. The fact that you keep questioning it proves that you have no clue about height differences, once again. Or that you lie about it on purpose. I still have to figure it out...
Canson said on 17/Nov/17
@Andrea: #1 quit saying someone is lying just because they don’t see the same as you. And quit saying someone can’t assess height because they don’t agree with you. If you want to go down that path you are pretty bad yourself at it. That is not a 2cm difference. That’s at very most a cm.also Take into account also that Boris has his head tilted downward which is adding height actually and there is likely no difference at all. Anyway if you want to talk about ground level etc then this isn’t a good pic. But Since you say that Kobe and Boris are 2cm apart at first are you really trying to tell us that then how is this only 2cm? Kobe had more of an advantage on Boris than Boris has on Haysbert. And not just 1cm like you’re making it out to be. And i don’t think anyone here is gonna to challenge that other than you.

As far as you saying it was a 2cm difference we have posted so long about this that i can’t see back that far. You def did tho because you made the differences exactly how rob has them listed here before you moved it to a full 1”. Then now you say max 3cm. So even if that is 3cm diff between Kobe and Boris this is not anything remotely close to that between Haysbert and Boris. That’s gonna be no more than a cm before we address the head being tilted then it is nothing at all
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 17/Nov/17
@Andrea

If you think that the difference between Boris and Kobe was 3cm, then why didn't you simply say "3cm" instead of "closer to 2cm than 2 inches"? You make no sense at all.
Andrea said on 17/Nov/17
That picture with Jamie is the only occasion where Boris looks noticeably shorter than 6'4 and I have no problem to "admit" that he doesn't look much over 6'2 there. You know, unlike you, I don't need to lie about height differences to make my estimates believable. I never said that Jamie wears lifts for sure because I haven't seen anything of him, but anything is possible. I mean, how do you explain him looking so close to Channing in those photos? According to your logic, Channing should be listed at 5'10-5'11 because that's how tall he looks in those pictures with Jamie. And in Channing's case, there are several pictures where he looks that low, if Jamie is only 5'9... In Boris' case, he looks noticeably taller than how he looks there in the other picture and NOT "still a 6’” difference": Click Here Jamie's top of head is around Boris's mouth, so I don't see how you can see only 6 inches between them, but I'm kinda used to that... Funny thing is that you complain if I say that you lie. How do you call this? As for Wayne, which reason did you give? LOL You said that Wayne's top of head was "clearly above Boris' eyebrows" and you even gave the exact moment in which you thought it looked that way. Truth is, even in that moment Wayne's top of head was CLEARLY below Boris' eyebrows and right around his eyelevel. If this isn't lying, I don't know what it is. As for Idris, are you really trying to use that picture as some kind of evidence? I'm sure that even Christian would agree that it is a quite useless picture. As I said, if I were as biased as you are, I would use the dude's video to say that Boris is over 2 inches taller than Idris, but I don't because I'm well aware that he has some camera advantage in that clip. This is the difference between me and you!
Andrea said on 16/Nov/17
Again with this "saying this thing is more insulting than that" story? Saying that someone wants to see their celebs taller is pretty stupid and juvenile and you often do that when people don't agree with you. Saying that someone has no clue about height differences is stating a fact. If you tell me that Boris looks 2.25 inches shorter than Rick Fox in that picture, I'm sorry but I call it "having no clue about height differences", considering that the difference in that moment doesn't look more than an inch. Sure, you can say that Rick is dropping more height than Boris, which is the reason why I can believe there is a bit more than what it looks like there... But 2.25 inches? How the hell did you calculate such a precise number? Maybe because it fits with your idea of Boris being somewhere around 6'3? 😊
Andrea said on 16/Nov/17
In many pictures I have posted you can see the footwear and the ground level though. Of course you just ignored them or, when challenged, you just say that the other guy is losing more height than Boris or you just lie about the actual height difference. But yeah... They have "flaws" aka "Boris looks taller than what you want him to be". As for Dennis, the difference does look close to 2 cms in that picture, no matter how much you lie about it: Click Here Again, I've never said that the difference between Boris and Kobe looks only 2 cms. I said that it looks closer to 2 cms than 2 inches, which is a bit different. As I said, I can see as much as 3 cms but no more than that. And guess what? 3 cms is closer to 2 cms than 2 inches. 😊
Canson said on 16/Nov/17
Well Andrea if the pic is good then so is the one with Foxx where he struggles to look even 6’3”. I don’t see any difference in the variables. Oh but wait it’s gonna be that Foxx wears lifts or that the other pic of Foxx makes him look more (even that one with Foxx leaning is still a 6’” difference) or it’s gonna be that you have “more” pics of Boris looking closer to 6’4” or you will turn this around on me some other way. That’s what people have to do when they look bad they start to attack people’s character to try to make them look bad and hope others jump in on them which is what you do. Or you’re going to accuse me of lying. Funny how that video you keep referring to with Boris and Wayne when i gave my reason and even admitted i was off (4.5-5” more so than 4) you keep using that yet you make excuses about the pics that answer your accusations directly. I don’t see any difference between “lying” with the video vs you calling Foxx a lift wearer (don’t say you didn’t go down that path because that thought wouldn’t have even come out had Boris looked 6’4 with him no matter how he looked with Channing Tatum). Or the fact that Elba looked taller and of course that pic is no good. You’re a liar as well
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 16/Nov/17
@Andrea

Well, your typical way of countering arguments is to accuse anyone who differs from your opinion as "having no clue about height differences". So if anything, your response is more insulting than mine, because when you say things like that, you're implying that people are clueless and dumb, while mine isn't as bad, since I'm merely implying that people want to see their celebs taller. It doesn't question their intelligence one bit, unlike your's.
And Rick's posture is clearly worse than Boris', the former is dropping more height than the latter. And I doubt anyone can dispute that.
Canson said on 15/Nov/17
@Andrea: the majority of your pics are “useless” as well since they have a lot of the same issues such as ground level, inability to see shoes, etc. Mine are “useless” only because they don’t make Boris 6’4”. You are so full of ****. Even with the same “flaws” that you are calling me out on with my pics. I bet if Elba looked an inch or so shorter than Boris you wouldn’t even have written that short essay you did nor would you be asking Christian if he agreed if it were bad. Ok if it is bad so are most of the ones you posted. But nope, you make excuses for them when they don’t make Boris as tall as you want him to be and you can take a similar pic and it’d be ok if Boris appears 6’4” despite the issues it may have

Btw be serious here for once. Or shall I say be smart (that may be too much to ask of you). Are you really telling me you really see an inch here between these two Boris and Haysbert? You are the one who needs their eyes checked. Yet You say that Boris and Kobe are only a 2cm difference and this is far less of a difference lol and you are saying it’s an inch. Be ****in serious Andrea lol? 😂😂😂 really that is sad that you can be (i really hope it’s biased and not that stupid although I won’t rule that out at this stage as you surely don’t argue or think like a college graduate). Are you sure you are qualified to call Christian or me dumb or to say we can’t assess heights when you assess like this lol? Sounds like you need to look in the mirror?


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Canson said on 15/Nov/17
@Andrea: the majority of your pics are “useless” as well since they have a lot of the same issues such as ground level, inability to see shoes, etc. Mine are “useless” only because they don’t make Boris 6’4”. You are so full of ****. Even with the same “flaws” that you are calling me out on with my pics. I bet if Elba looked an inch or so shorter than Boris you wouldn’t even have written that short essay you did nor would you be asking Christian if he agreed if it were bad. Ok if it is bad so are most of the ones you posted. But nope, you make excuses for them when they don’t make Boris as tall as you want him to be and you can take a similar pic and it’d be ok if Boris appears 6’4” despite the issues it may have
Andrea said on 15/Nov/17
Your comments speak for themselves, Canson. No need to take them out of context, which I didn't, to make you look bad. You are bad. So let me get this straight. The picture is bad, but still good enough to say that "it's def over 2” for sure"? Makes sense... Just like it makes sense saying that you're not biased, that you have a very good idea about height differences and that you don't lie. Getting back to reality, there isn't much more than an inch in that picture. Of course you can say that Rick is standing a bit worse than Boris (who also doesn't seem to be standing at his tallest there) and I can believe there is a bit more than how it looks there, like 1.5 inches. More than that? I doubt it. In the video there isn't certainly as much as 2 inches, let alone over.
Andrea said on 15/Nov/17
Maybe you didn't specifically call me a fanboy, but you said "no matter how you much want him to be taller", which is typical of you when people say a celebrity is taller than what you think. And this was even before we had this discussion about Boris, so there was no reason to come out with a comment like that. But again, this is your way of counter other people's arguments...
You've never mentioned about the Rick Fox pic, but you did it now. You said that the difference looks 2.25, which is as bad as saying it as big as 2.5-3 inches. Do you understand why I say that you have no clue about height differences now? I mean, is this your idea of a 2.25 inches difference? Click Here There's also a clip of them together: Click Here Do you honestly see as much as 2 good inches between them?
Canson said on 15/Nov/17
@Christian: i can see 2.25 in the pic a lot easier than 1.5” with them esp giving the fact Fox isn’t standing completely straight.
Canson said on 15/Nov/17
@Christian: that’s again where Andrea took my words out of context like she often does to make me look bad because I don’t agree with her. When I said it about this pic with Fox it’s lilely what it would be if they straightened up. Meaning because fox is leaning. That’s just a bad pic to judge height. But it’s def over 2” for sure
Andrea said on 14/Nov/17
I say the same for the picture where Boris looks taller. In fact, I could say that Boris is taller than Michael Jordan because he looks that way in that picture, but I don't because you can't see too many things there, just like the first picture. It's funny how you still lie to yourself by saying that Boris "doesn’t look 6’4” with Foxx Idris Jordan Kobe or Magic", when, worst case scenario, you could say he looks 192 (only with Kobe). Are you really trying to use that picture with Idris to say that Boris is 6'3 MAX? I'm sure that even Christian would agree that it is a quite useless picture. As I said, if I were as biased as you are, I would use the dude's video to say that Boris is over 2 inches taller than Idris, but I don't because I'm well aware that he has some camera advantage in that clip.
Rob's credibility is more than those guys because maybe Rob, unlike them, has been running a height website for 13 years, puts his face on here, has uploaded a lot of measurement videos and constantly adds photos with celebrities, but I understand that it's hard to understand for a person like you.
As for Dennis, he does look about an inch shorter than Boris in those two pictures I have posted. In the group photo it looks at least an inch, while in that photo you have posted it looks more around 2 cms (certainly no less than that), which is still about an inch, as I said. If you see less than that, you either have very poor eyesight or you are just very delusional and stupid. 😊
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 14/Nov/17
@Andrea

I only call people fanboys when it's obvious that their estimates are full of crap. The only pages where I called people fanboys are The Rock (people saying he's legit 6'4" or 6'5"), John Abraham (listed 5'11.5" and claimed 183cm yet people were saying he's 6'1.5"), Charles Barkley (one person said 6'6"-6'7" and a few said 6'5.5" or 6'6" when Barkley himself claimed 6'4.75" and also looks no taller than his claim in pics and also reported to have measured 6'4 5/8" during his career), Muhammad Ali (people saying Ali was 6'3.5" despite being listed 6'2.5" on his passport and listed 6'3" during his career), and Brock Lesnar (because one person said that Lesnar looked 4" shorter than Strowman to try to make Lesnar 6'3" or near it). But I've never called you, Andrea, a fanboy because it's understandable for people to believe Boris is legit 6'4" because he may look it in many pics.
And I've never mentioned about the Rick Fox pic, so stop accusing me of saying it was a 2.5-3" difference. I disagree with both you and Canson on this one. It doesn't look as small as a 1.5" difference like you say, but it also doesn't look as big as a 2.5-3" difference like Canson says. 2.25" difference is my best bet. So based off of Rick likely being around 6'5.5", puts Boris at 6'3.25" based in this pic IMO Click Here
Canson said on 14/Nov/17
@Andrea: you are saying Boris looks an inch taller than Dennis Haysbert in this pic and you’re calling me a liar? You either have very poor eyesight or you are just very delusional and stupid.

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Canson said on 14/Nov/17
@Andrea: Rob met him twice and put him at that? So why is Rob’s credibility any more than Bobby3342, 6’3”, Mr.R, or Bennett? And you said you trust more that Rob has “met someone” than a pic itself. Again not accusing Rob of lying because I don’t believe he is. but I’m saying this because I already know you’re going to say well Rob has pictures with such and such. He doesn’t have a pic with every person he has met such as Rick Fox yet you conveniently use his estimates whether or not he has met someone. And me using a posters estimate that has met someone honestly is also me looking at the celeb such as Boris and determining he isn’t 6’4 As well in conjunction with
Andrea said on 13/Nov/17
At least 5 pictures??? The only picture where he doesn't look 6'4 is the one with Jamie. As for the other guys, he looks at least 6'4 (apart from Kobe, who you could say makes him look more a weak 6'4 than a full one), no matter how much you lie about height differences. What to say about that picture with Idris? I think that even a blind man would see that it is a terrible picture. If I were as biased as you are, I would use thedude's video to say that Boris is over 2 inches taller than Idris, but I don't because I realize that Boris is standing noticeably closer to the camera in that clip: Click Here However , there is another "better" scene in that movie where Boris isn't getting any camera advantage and still looks AT LEAST 1.5 inches taller than Idris. Go check yourself, if you don't believe me. I'm certainly not gonna post any photo or video, just to hear you make a new excuse...
Andrea said on 13/Nov/17
Well, you said "no matter how you much want him to be taller", just because I didn't agree with you. Even if the words aren't the same, the meaning is, but I can't wait for you to make an excuse and try to "explain" it like you did with your comment on Brock Lesnar's page, LOL. And, as I said, I'm not the only one who gets that "treatment" from you. When people think a celebrity is taller than what you say, it's always because they are fanboys and want that celebrity as tall as possible.
You say that I like to "cherry pick"... Is it my fault if Boris (almost) always looks 6'4? You wanna exclude those pictures or videos where you can't see the footwear and the ground level? I'm fine with that. Even in those, Boris looks a comfortable 6'4, but it must be because people are "leaning" and losing 2-3 inches in posture, right? 😊 The only occasion where he looks noticeably under 6'4 is with Jamie Foxx. He really doesn't look much over 6'2 with him in that single picture and I have no problem to admit it. I'm not like Canson who has to lie about actual height differences to make his estimates believable! If your argument is "Boris is no more than 6'2-6'3 because he doesn't look over that mark with Jamie Foxx", you are completely free to say that. Me, on the other hand, I think that Boris is a decent 6'4 because that's how tall he generally looks with everyone else.
What I said on Michael's page is that celebrities rarely look as tall as their listings with Rob and they generally look 0.5-0.75 inches shorter than what Rob thought they were in person. Sometimes even more than that, sometimes near enough their listings and a very few times even a bit taller. That's a fact. The reason why I accused you and Canson (more Canson than you to be fair because you at least didn't try to say that Boris looks only 4 inches taller than Wayne Brady or that Dennis looks taller than Boris) of having no clue about height differences is because of what you said about certain comparisons, not because you guess Boris around 6'3. You said that Boris looks clearly 2 inches shorter than Kobe, at least 4 inches shorter than Magic, 2.5-3 inches shorter than Rick Fox,... I'm sorry, but to me that means "having no clue about height differences". Sure, I think that Boris must be around 6'4 because he basically always looks around that mark in photos and videos. What's wrong with that? Isn't it what you do as well? Guessing people's heights from photos and videos? For the same reason, I think that Michael at 181 is believable, even if he certainly doesn't look as tall as that with Rob. I would say he is, at worst, 5'11 flat, from what I've seen. Furthermore, Rob met him twice and said that he looked around that 181 mark. And, as I said, Rob's estimate is more important than the picture itself to me. Of course you are free to believe that he is a weak 5'11 just because he looks that way in Rob's photos, but you should learn to respect other people's opinions and avoid stupid comments like "no matter how you much want him to be taller", just because someone thinks differently than you do.
Canson said on 13/Nov/17
@Christian: it’s also the fact that there are at least 5 pics here where he doesn’t look 6’4. Jordan Kobe Magic Jamie Foxx and even one with Idris Elba that I posted. Not saying a picture tells the whole story but why are they deemed worthless or no good but the pics Andrea posted have the same issues that are made about these. Her argument is essentially a quantity argument just because he looks it in a lot of pics whether they are good ones or not. Not to mention these comparisons are made to celebs at Rob’s listed heights
Canson said on 12/Nov/17
@Andrea: I sound ridiculous lol? You making excuses saying Jamie Foxx wears lifts without proof just because he makes Boris under 6’4” is about the most ridiculous statement, sorry, excuse, I’ve seen on his website 😂 . So please don’t ever say anything to me Christian or anyone else about making excuses or lying when you take the cake as not only the most ridiculous poster and liar here but the biggest hypocrite on this site because you not only do everything you accuse both of us of doing but you top it 😂
Canson said on 12/Nov/17
@Andrea: you’re really saying now that if someone stands closer to the camera that they will appear taller than someone else? So why don’t you mention that in any of your pics you handpicked where Boris is closer to the camera such as Kobe Haysbert etc? You only mention that in the pics that Christian and I point out where Boris doesn’t look 6’4 or where you just don’t bother to select because you know it diminishes your argument.
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 12/Nov/17
@Andrea

Please show me where I said "you just want Michael Rosenbaum to be as tall as possible" on Rosenbaum's page. Quit making up lies, Andrea. You already lost the argument by lying.
And I'm not saying that there was or wasn't footwear and ground difference with the two pics of Boris and Dennis, I'm just pointing out the fact that you like to cherry pick, because when Boris looks shorter than 6'4" in a pic, you always bring up something about footwear and ground level, and when he looks 6'4" or taller, you don't mention either of those.
Btw on the Rosenbaum page, you quoted "Michael does look near 5'10.75, as you say, with Rob. I completely agree. This doesn't necessarily mean he'd measure that low, though" You essentially implied that a person's apparent height in photos and pics don't necessarily reflect their actual height. So why doesn't it apply for Boris then? Why is it that Boris must be 6'4" to you because he looks it in most pics? Why do you accuse me and Canson of "having no clue about height differences" when we guess Boris to be around 6'3"? Btw, not once I've said that 6'4" is impossible for him.
Christian-6'5 3/8 said on 12/Nov/17
@Canson

You're right. At best Vernon and Titus are the exact same. Vernon is dropping a bit of height. Him at 6'3" and Titus at 6'2.75"-6'3" is how I see them Click Here
Canson said on 11/Nov/17
@Christian: I don’t see Titus edging Vernon Davis out honestly looking at pics of both next to people. Davis may actually be taller. I couldn’t see Davis under 6’3” flat when I was next to him
Andrea said on 11/Nov/17
Excuses, Canson? Do you realize that if a person stands a lot closer to the camera (like Common there), they're going to appear a lot taller than how they are? Of course you don't. Do you still see two inches between them? Click Here Boris is not favored in any of those pictures, if anything Dennis is (especially in the second one). And "I clearly cheated the measurement"? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound when you come out with statements like these? The line is right around the top of Boris' head, not above. Even a blind man would see it. But maybe not a biased one...
That's true, Christian. We can't see the footwear and the ground level, but there are two photos taken in two different occasions where Boris looks around an inch taller than Dennis. Anything is possible, but are you trying to say that Boris has footwear and ground advantage twice, to the point that he looks 2 inches taller than what he really is? Funny how you get back to the old "you just want Boris to be as tall as possible" line, which is your typical way of counter other people's arguments. You did it with me (even before this discussion, on Michael Rosenbaum's page) and you do it with everyone else who disagrees with your estimates. That's a classic Christian. One thing, if I really wanted Boris to be as tall as possible, I wouldn't have said that I can't 100% rule out 192, even if the only occasion where he can look as low as that is with Kobe...
Canson said on 11/Nov/17
@Christian: well said “about an inch”. I think 1/2”-2cm and with Boris’s head tilted downward
thedude said on 11/Nov/17
at 0:14 of this video boris looks 2 icnhes taller than idris elba Click Here
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 11/Nov/17
@Andrea

Funny how when Boris looked 6'3" next to 5'9" Jamie Foxx, you accused Jamie of wearing lifts. Now when Boris looked about an inch taller than 6'4" Haysbert, you're completely silent about footwear and ground level. The bottom line is, you just want Boris to be as tall as possible.
Christian-6'5 3/8" said on 10/Nov/17
@Canson

That's a good point.
Canson said on 10/Nov/17
@Andrea: I’m the one making excuses and lying? Love how you make up the line you did about Common and the reason why their is only a 2” difference. And Boris is actually favored in the camera in the 2nd pic that’s clear as day he is toward the front more than Haysbert who is further back. So don’t accuse me of lying when all you do is make excuses and with the Kobe pic you clearly cheated the measurement the line is not at boris’s Head it’s above and it is above with Haysbert. I love how you make excuses with the pics that you cherrypicked Boris being 6’4” when we challenge you

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