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Greg said on 27/Dec/19
@Khaled Taban according to this site a weak 5’10 would be defined as 5’9.75-5’9 7/8ths. The American male average would not even be as high as that barefoot. It would most likely be something around 5’9.25 maybe 5’9.5 at a push but I think that would be on the higher end of average.
Arthur! said on 27/Dec/19
By the way, I didn't take the photo down. The link expired, doofus. Ask Rob.
Arthur! said on 27/Dec/19
Holy s**t lil Greg. Your essay-reply reminds me of my ex-girlfriend's rants lmao. Sure, I haven't gotten under your skin, that's why you devoted so little time to answering me!
So you are taking glucosamine too huh? I don't, so now I know I'm definitely taller than you, thanks!
HeightLossAtYoungAge said on 27/Dec/19
For those that say height loss in 20s is not possible, tell me how this happened. I'm 24, and used to consistently measure 200cm out of bed and 198cm at night in the last year. Lately, I've been measuring 199cm out of bed and 196.8cm at night for two months. Everything is the same - location of measuring, method of measuring, time of day, activity level, hydration, posture during measurement, etc. Yet I am over 1cm shorter than I used to be. How could this have happened? My posture isn't the best, but I have no lower back pain at all.
@Bego said on 27/Dec/19
@Visitor How did man range in Sweden? Like what was the most common height?
Animus said on 27/Dec/19

While I have a bit of lower back pain while sitting, I would be surprised if I had lost height. I hurt my back deadlifting a month ago and when I took a break, I recovered 90% within 9 days or so. I feel my back is stiffer now, but I do have a few nagging injuries/tightness in my legs that might contribute to it.
Anyways, I'm 24, so I should be good. If I have lost any height, it should be a very small amount but hopefully I haven't. If I have, that's life.
Grayloth said on 27/Dec/19
The average height of Sweden has been measured and it's around 180-181 cms for ethnial swedes. mrfunnyguy can't judge height even if his life depends on it.
mrfunnyguy said on 27/Dec/19
@Visitor Since you say that the average could be 179 cm for young swedes (guys I presume you mean), do you mean that there are more young swedish guys who are 169 cm than 190cm? Isn't that ridiculous?
Visitor said on 27/Dec/19
I see a lot of talk about Sweden here. I HAVE been to Sweden and no, there's nothing special or that different about anyones height there. It's not some mythical place where every other kid is 6'2".
I'm 181-182 cm, less than 6ft in any case and walking around Stockholm I did not feel "short" or below average at any point. The barkeep was shorter than me, one (yes, white ethnic Swede) guy who stopped me on the street to ask me if I have GPS on my cell because his battery had died or something, was about 175 cm et cetera. Whatever the statistics around the web say are probably correct. The average COULD be 179 cm or something for younger people, but more than that is like confusing inches with cm's. And people do that a lot. A cm is not much, one inch on the other hand is a VERY notable difference. Both in person and statistically.
Visitor said on 27/Dec/19
Concerning the one previous comment about a month back, about "lowballing" myself... it's not that simple. Like right now, I'm a little bit over 182 cm but I've only been up for a few hours. And I really do regularly measure absolutely anything between 180 and 183 cm. On one or two occasions in the last year, I've even measured 179.8 or 179.9 after VERY strenuous exercise.

So, what should I "claim"? Honestly. On one hand you could also say even 181 cm is lying, since I can't guarantee I'm over that mark at any and every time. I do realise that for some reason, my height varies a LOT more than most others say theirs does. After a long nights sleep I really do wake up at 183 cm and like I said, sometimes after a long day (or two days without sleep for example) I really do drop down to flat 180 cm.

I can also say that absolutely "height loss" because of poor posture and spinal problems etc. is possible at any age. I have a "weightlifting" type lower back issue that I think is similar to what Animus described, and also have always had mild scoliosis. The right kind of ab exercises SHOULD correct things and "make me taller", thing is I haven't found which exercises those are yet. When I was younger, I indeed was taller because the back problem hadn't completely manifested yet and back then I could measure even 183.5 cm. But as for "height loss", a few mm's isn't a lot relatively, and 90% of people (even Hollywood celebrities) have backs that are just fine and will measure the same at ages 20 and 45.
BigJosh said on 26/Dec/19
Hey Rob what you classify me on this site if I’m 189 cm as soon as a I wake up and go to bed at around 187 cm (often a few mm above). Also if I just turned 16 a few months ago, could I possible still grow some more even if I haven’t seen much (if any) growth during the last year or two. My wingspan I measured at 197 cm so maybe their is something their but I don’t know.
Editor Rob
Still potential to be 190cm at night, at the moment you will look about 6ft 2 to most people, even though technically you are closer to 6ft 1.5 at night.
Sean william Winter said on 26/Dec/19
what counts as normal hieght after heavy stressful day on your feet for hours after lifting. or evening after sitting at pc and measure on stadiometer i managed as high as 178.8 178.9 cm.
Greg said on 26/Dec/19
@!Arthur oh and I forgot to mention but I think you are lying about your height because of what you say about you being barely average in Greece. There’s no way the average for men is over 5’8-5’9 maybe at the most you don’t live in a Nordic country or somewhere the average is over 5’11. So you feeling average or below average for Greek men is an indicator you aren’t as tall as you claim, prove me wrong by posting a measurement not some random photo with some guy because I can do that too oh x and x is this so I must be this 😂😂 not how that works at all.
Greg said on 26/Dec/19
@!Arthur you want to know what’s funny about that Arthur? In fact you are not 1/8th of an inch taller than me (by your account)lol for one and for two you made that assessment that it ‘got under my skin’ yet there’s no indicators unless you’re projecting. Never have I ever said that it did haha you wish. In your brightest Greek lucid dreams perhaps. Even if you where 5 inches taller than me or shorter (likely the latter I wouldn’t care) it doesn’t matter in the real world. Seems you most likely exaggerating your height because why else would you not upload a measurement video. If you’re that scared to show your beautiful Greek Mug you could always blur out your face and just show the measurement. 👍 First of all way back when I remember you said you where a little over 5’10 at your lowest so wouldn’t that mean you wake up at 5’11? Alright so despite you saying you wake up at 5’11 1/8th and me at 5’11 flat give or take I drop down to 5’10 3/8ths, 5’10 would an extreme low under the worst possible conditions and guess what I haven’t measured that in years! Uh oh bad news for Arthur you can hear the rumbles throughout his cave which bounces right off his shiny bald head 😛 hopefully you polished it nicely for me before submitting this comment. I want it to shine brighter than my future or the Eiffel Tower late at night. I have damaged discs as shown by an MRI and the worst posture that was causing me to not measure to my highest. ( as confirmed by my doctor) capability. perhaps these exercises my chiropractor provided me along with my stretching and routine and glucosamine have been working for the better. I’ve even measured 5’10 5/8ths several hours out of bed uh oh... bad news for Lil Arthur.. I think a few droplets of sweat are proceeding to roll down his nervous forehead as he stares off into the horizon recalculating his calculations.

Oh and as for your ‘picture’ that has got to be the worst indicator of height. Rob said you do look similar but not exactly the same height and there was no way to prove it. You could have been any height +/- 5’9-6’0. You are just thinking of any excuse in the book to not show your height because you’re likely not the height you claim, which is fine as they say history repeats itself and the Big G prophecy has a sequel that’s going to take place this Summer in Greece our favorite Arthur staring in the main role as Big G. Sounds like you’re really insecure about all of that, I wasn’t insulting you just taking funny jabs at you to rustle your Jimmy’s and seems that it worked. I upset the poor lil Arthur. I look taller than you in photos that I have contributed, you barely looked 5’9.5 in that photo which you took down because you realized we where onto you. Also why does it upset you that Bobby claims 5’10? He has every right to claim it, he’s rounding up 1/4th of an inch that somehow mysteriously is responsible for your lack of sleep. How cute, it seems you love projecting your insecurities into others. Definitely a good trait to have. And of course you mention the toxic Andrea as your favorite poster not surprised you guys are both equally delusional. Fyi they still post here, of course you left out actual good contributors like Canson and Christian c-mo etc. speaking of c-mo why does it bother you that he states his opinions? Hell hes more active here than you just go on post a comment and go on a hiatus for a few months. If c-mo wants to repeat his interest in height he is more than welcome too. You just contradicted yourself and obviously don’t know how to plug in and use your brain. As for Connor you are right and he is now banned from this site, that should make you a little happier 1 point to you. At least you won something buddy. And Rob isn’t obligated to follow your dictations, after all it’s his website not yours. Grow up oh wait you can’t. Seems everyone’s gotten under your skin by the sounds of it little one 🙂 enjoy the Greek sun for me, if it even enters your cave.
khaled taban said on 26/Dec/19
@Greg , you could say the average height for young Americans is generally a weak 5'10" , that's the safest bet.
Bobby 5'10 (1.78m) said on 26/Dec/19

Mate, I thought we agreed to burying the hatchet? So, why are you going out of your way to calling me delusional? Pray tell, what have I ever done to provoke this petty insult out of you? If you have a problem with Greg, who in fact provoked you for no reason, then fine but keep me out of it. I want nothing to do with it. I won't justify myself to you anymore. So, bye.
AndrewV said on 26/Dec/19

A 5’10” average for young Swedes seems rather low but a 6’1” or 6’2” average is just laughable.
Emil said on 26/Dec/19
@Big King

I really doubt you have lost any height. I have measured both 0.25 inch below and 0.25 above my real height depending on the floor and wall I've been measured on.
I know the error margin in my case isn't as remarkable as in yours, but you're also more than 5 inches taller than me.
6footTom said on 25/Dec/19
@Editor Rob

By poorer posture, do you mean that poor posture makes people seem shorter or do you mean that poor posture can actually cause spinal shrinkage even as early as in our 20's? I'm 23 but people have remarked that I have poor posture, I'm starting to get a little concerned now.
Editor Rob
By developing poorer posture, the spine may have some alignment problems, meaning when you stand 'tall' for a measurement, the curvature isn't as optimal as it was age 20....which is why doing exercise/stretching may recover lost postural height.
Greg said on 25/Dec/19
Rob typically on average how tall would you expect a guy with size 13/14 feet US to be?
Editor Rob
6ft 3-4 range.
mrfunnyguy said on 25/Dec/19
@Yeah, because YOU know everything about Sweden, not me, and you are the expert of the average height in Sweden. There are SO many young swedish guys who are 5'10, and of course, there are more swedish guys who are 5'6 than 6'3. That's completely rational. 5'6 is four inches shorter than 5'10 and 6'3 is five inches taller than 5'10. Are you serious? Please tell me that you are joking that there are more swedes who are 5'6 than 6'3. You seriously make me almost angry by saying that.
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 25/Dec/19
Height loss in 20’s? No way
Arthur! said on 25/Dec/19
Greg you ve also admitted in the past that you drop down to a 5'10 flat at your worst. I ve always maintained that my absolute lowest has been 5'10 1/8, hence why I am 1/8 taller than you. I also wake up at 5'11 1/8, when you admitted you wake up at 5'11. Since 2019, I started working out more often, maybe my posture is better, so I now measure at 5'10.25 at my worst, usually after working out. By the way, I dont have any feelings about me being 1/8 taller than you. It just got under your skin, so it was fun to point it out. I don't consider 1/8 of an inch a visible difference. Even if you have the exact same stats as I do, it's irrelevant. We live in different continents, it just doesn't matter.
Another thing I want to point out. I don't feel the need to post a video measurement of myself, I ve made quite a few people mad here over the years so anonymity works better for me. The moment I posted a photo of myself with the SOAD drummer and Rob admitted I looked similar range to Serj Tankian (listed here at 5'10.5) you started throwing petty insults about anything but my height (I am on propecia now and it's going great, thanks for motivating me Greg!). But I will say this: if Rob is ever interested in adding John Dolmayan the drummer to the site, I am willing to post a measurement of myself ONLY to help him estimate his height better. It's funny that most of you people on this page have contributed ZERO on the site's main goal, to estimate celebrities' heights. It's all been about autistic Connor's vitriolic rants, Bobby's kind hearted but delusional (rounded up) 5'10 is tall statements, c-mo's pathetic height rate -oh my good 179.5 cm is the best height- spamming etc. Andrea, who was a good contributor has stepped away from the site. Rob needs to to do something about this page, otherwise there's no need for comment moderation.
Editor Rob
This page has always been a free for all, with opinions varying tremendously.

A lot of it I don't agree with, but it's a forum to see what people think about height.

If I don't have the page, this stuff appears on celebrity pages and I have to delete it, but I can move it here.
Animus said on 25/Dec/19
What kind of injuries cause height loss in your 20s? I occasionally have a little lower back pain from a weightlifting injury (nothing insane and it's mostly when sitting on the toilet) and at those times I feel I stand shorter than I can, but I'm guessing you'd need something more major to cause real height loss?
Editor Rob
fractures in spine or some disc damage could cause a bit of loss.
Animus said on 25/Dec/19
Rob, are you aware of any correlation between lower back pain and height loss? And is it possible to experience height loss in your 20s save for a catastrophic injury?
Editor Rob
Some people will lose height in 20's through injuries or developing poorer posture, but I'd have thought a small percentage.
6'1guy said on 25/Dec/19
@A177 I think he's 5'11.5- 6ft range. He never stands tall though, Maybe if he did he'd be a tiny bit over 6 foot.
Poster said on 24/Dec/19
@AndrewV: I usually agree with you, but I disagree with your classifications of shorter women in your height chart. For example, I think that 5'2 could be classified as "short". If you look at 5'0 and 5'1, you'll notice that they're in very low percentiles. I'm just referring to younger white American women, by the way, so disregard this if you were being much more general.
A177 said on 24/Dec/19
How tall do you think Robbie is from Arsenal Fan Tv? he interviews fans a lot face to face
Big Ben said on 24/Dec/19
@Christian 6'5 3/8th" - Keeping the protein at 1g per pound of bodyweight when cutting is incredibly important to avoid losing muscle.
Nik Ashton said on 24/Dec/19
@ FiveEightJake - It’s interesting that you and one of your older brothers are shorter than one of your parents! It’s also interesting that people in Nottingham are shorter than people in Cheshire, Nottingham is a big city and there are no places in Cheshire as big as Nottingham!
Nik Ashton said on 24/Dec/19
@ Lell - Where are you from?
khaled taban said on 24/Dec/19
@Rob ,I don't know how do Europeans call the United States "not tall country" when American average of 5'10" is higher than 80% of countires in the world .
Editor Rob
The overall American average isn't 5ft 10, but decent 5ft 9, not much different than UK.
Greg said on 24/Dec/19
@!Arthur so what was it about you bragging about supposedly being 1/8th of an inch taller than me if you drop to 5’10.25? And I am usually 5’10.3” 5’10.25 is my low after working out too. at a low you would be around the same height as me you just seem to lose more. But I remember you said you dropped to 5’10 or slightly over so you wouldn’t be taller than me either way 😂.
Greg said on 24/Dec/19
@Khaled Taban Yeah true at 179.5cm you would feel only tallish in the U.S basically right in between above average and tall.

@Lell nah you would be high average in Sweden above it slightly I’m going to have to call bs on that sorry man I can’t believe that 5’11.5 is the average in sweden it’s at max 5’10 or so for young guys.
Sakz said on 24/Dec/19
@Dan84 Pretty much a typical experience for a strong 6 footer, considering very tall heights such as 6'3+ aren't common in the UK and most other places. My experiences are similar at a weak 6'1, and the taller guy I'll see will typically only be around 3-4 inches taller. 6'5+ is definitely rare.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 24/Dec/19

That's generally my experience at 5'10, as most guys are only taller than me by 2-3 inches it seems, discounting those who are 6'2+, as they are quite uncommon in Toronto.
khaled taban said on 24/Dec/19
@Greg , I guess it depends on the state , as you could feel tall at 179cm in NewYork for example , however generally you need to be 182cm minimum to feel tall in the US.
Johan 185 cm said on 24/Dec/19
Dan84 said on 22/Dec/19
Posted in here before, but on a day out in London today visiting some busy places, I certainly felt solid tall. I'm 184cm in the evening and was wearing shoes giving about 1.25 inches today so wasn't far off 6 foot 2 in shoes. I did notice that many guys who were taller, were only bigger by 2-3 inches. A true 6 foot 4 plus is rarer than people think on here. Saw one guy today at Westfield who must have been 2 metres as I probably came up to his nose and he stood out massively in the crowd. Not sure I'd want to be that tall.


This is the same experience every guy 6' + has Dan, don't let some posters try to convince you otherwise. At 6'1" its the same most guys are max 3" taller.

Guys who are 6'5-6'6" are more rare than some admit, although here in the Netherlands you will see them daily in cities.

The guys who are 6'7" + are rarer still and my friend who is 6'8" never really meets anyone taller than him. Thats why when we went drinking with a co-worker he was shocked as Nick is 6'10.5".

Nick never sees anyone taller than him. Although I pointed out that at a work party there was a bartender who claimed 7' and he definetly looked it. This was a few years ago.
AndrewV said on 24/Dec/19
A 5’11” average for young ethnic Swedes seems right based on most studies and figures I’ve seen, but a 6’1”, much less 6’2”, average is honestly laughable. The Netherlands and ex-Yugoslav countries are renowned for being the tallest and aren’t even that tall on average.
177.8cm said on 24/Dec/19
@rob , I’m 19 I just grew like 0.5cm now barely 178cm in the morning, and haven’t grown anymore was that my growth plates closing ?
Editor Rob
They might not be fully closed, but the closer to 20 the chances of noticeable growth goes down dramatically.
Big King said on 24/Dec/19
Hi Rob and hi people! I have a serious request. When I was 18 or 19 years old, I was 6'5.5" tall and now I'm 30 years old and I stand only at 6'5" at the same time during the day when I measured my height 6'5.5" about 12 years ago. I guess I lost a half inch. Is that normal that people start to shrink at age 30?
Editor Rob
Some might have a little postural difference, but it could be as simple as time of day or different wall/floor giving the difference.

If it was a full inch, then that would be more glaring a difference.
chevy said on 24/Dec/19
What do you guys think about the height 6ft 7 for men?
Sean william Winter said on 23/Dec/19
just did a new measurement evening breathing in stand tall 178.8 cm. becuase most doctors offices ask u to breath in then release to get maximum hieght.
Lell said on 23/Dec/19

I am 179.5 cm and most guys edge me out by one inch here. Average for young guys is definitely like 5'11"
Greg said on 23/Dec/19
@mrfunnyguy Yes actually I have been to Sweden which is why I can tell you that you’re full of it. The average guy is probably closer to 5’10, maybe a flat 5’10 but that’s for a national Swedish young man. The older older people would be like 5’9.5 or so. No there are guys under 5’10.5 and not just Immigrants. No? I would have said the opposite they are inflating it seems like your tricked about height because there’s no way 6’1 or 6’2 is the average. Alls I noticed was that the Swedish average was higher than the American but not by a lot I still felt above average in Sweden.
Progking said on 23/Dec/19
@Dan184 yeah i am 6'0 and 6'1.25-6'1.5 in shoes in Canada and also feel tall enough when in public, a good amount of times there is just one or two very tall guys like 6'4 and im taller than most others. Unless im in a mall, especially in the big city, and there are a lot more 6'1-6'4 guys, then i just feel above average. Still i feel fine at my height
Arthur! said on 23/Dec/19
Nah, these are exactly my stats. I wake up 1/8 above 5'11 and my absolute low after a workout at night seems to be 5'10.25 now.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 23/Dec/19
Non offense, but what makes you the spokesperson for Sweden's average, when you're the same guy who said multiple times, that the Swedish average is 6'2"? LOL. Just because a person lives in a country, doesn't mean that he'll have a better perception of the average height, than a person who doesn't live there. It reminds me of one poster here before, who claimed to have lived in Netherlands, claimed that the Dutch average was high as 189cm.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 23/Dec/19
@Big Ben and Greg
I'm around 100kg and consume roughly 90g of protein on average, so it's not like I'm deficient. All I'm saying, is that 170g seems a bit too disproportionately high based on a 1500 calorie diet. If you eat a 3000+ diet, then I can understand.

I might eat less calories than the average man my weight, but that's partly due to me eating only 2 meals a day. (lunch and dinner) I don't follow the standard 3-4 meal per day method. I actually feel better, and experience less hunger pains and snack cravings by doing it. I don't know if it's for everyone though.
mrfunnyguy said on 23/Dec/19
I have a question for everyone here who say that the average of Sweden is 5'10 or something like that. Do you suggest that is about an equal amount of swedish men who are 5'5 as 6'3? That would also mean there is an equal amount of swedish guys who are 5'8 as 6'0. Don't you realize how that sounds? Even 5'11 is a bit ridiculous, since that would mean there is an equal amount of swedish guys who are 5'7 as 6'3.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 23/Dec/19
It might be more 176cm than 177. It's more accurate to subtract 1cm from recorded averages, to get the real average.
mrfunnyguy said on 23/Dec/19
@ Greg Have you even been to Sweden, or do you base that on what others have said? I literally don't even see swedish guys who are shorter than 5'10.5, it's like they don't even exist, and you are trying to say that 5'9.75 is average? As I have said before too, swedes for some weird reason like to downgrade their own height and say that they are shorter than they are often, so you may have been tricked in to thinking that the average is lower than it is because of that.
edwards said on 22/Dec/19
@ AndrewV

i agree with your chart.
Dan84 said on 22/Dec/19
Posted in here before, but on a day out in London today visiting some busy places, I certainly felt solid tall. I'm 184cm in the evening and was wearing shoes giving about 1.25 inches today so wasn't far off 6 foot 2 in shoes. I did notice that many guys who were taller, were only bigger by 2-3 inches. A true 6 foot 4 plus is rarer than people think on here. Saw one guy today at Westfield who must have been 2 metres as I probably came up to his nose and he stood out massively in the crowd. Not sure I'd want to be that tall.
Greg said on 22/Dec/19
@Khaled Taban yeah 5’9.7 for Young White Males out of bed sounds about right, in the afternoons it would be like 5’9.25-5’9.5 or there abouts.
Greg said on 22/Dec/19
@Arthur no Ben is likely taller than you he’s around 5’11-5’11 1/8th out of bed if I’m not mistaken and 5’10.25-5’10.3 at a low. Average in Sweden is not 5’11 it’s like 5’9.75-5’10 for young Swedish males everyone’s always thinks the average is taller this isn’t Amsterdam or Bosnia.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 22/Dec/19
😴 Correction Time! 🖕

In my last submission from the 21st, this is how the final line should have read: " yes, I knew I was back to the size I used to be."

Somehow, a 'you' found its way in!
Person111 said on 22/Dec/19
@Bobby - those height charts include every race and group. Upper average means in between 50th and 75th, so 60-ish something percentile. Those same height charts you agree with are the same source that say white males (age 20-39) are 5'10 at 50th percentile, which you disagree with. So you agree with those height charts but not with the young white male average at 5'10, but both come from the same source.
Big Ben said on 22/Dec/19
@Arthur - Stats says anything from 5'10" to 5'11.5". I don't know my morning height but I expect it to be around 5'11" or a bit more.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 22/Dec/19

The charts look about right to me, but is upper average meant to correspond with above average?
Arthur! said on 22/Dec/19
@Big Ben

What's your highest morning measurement? Sounds like we are pretty identical in height. But you live in Sweden right? Average height for males there must be a legit 5'11 if not a shade more, am I right?
AndrewV said on 22/Dec/19
Mean heights by ethnicity for 20-40 year olds in the US

Non-Hispanic White: 178cm for men, 165cm for women
Non-Hispanic Black: 177cm for men, 164cm for women
Hispanic: 172cm for men, 159cm for women
Asian: 172cm for men, 158cm for women
AndrewV said on 22/Dec/19
Height chart for American female general population, all age groups and ethnicities:
147cm and below: =1st percentile, really short
148cm-151cm: Very short
152cm-155cm: Legit short
156cm-157cm: Shortish
158cm-160cm: Lower average
161cm-163cm: Solid average
164cm-166cm: Upper average
167cm-168cm: Tallish
169cm-172cm: Solid tall
173cm-176cm: Very tall
177cm and above: 99th+ percentile, really tall
AndrewV said on 22/Dec/19
Height chart for American male general population, all age groups and ethnicities:'
159cm and below: =1st percentile, really short
160cm-163cm: Very short
164cm-167cm: Legit short
168cm-170cm: Shortish
171cm-173cm: Lower average
174cm-176cm: Bang average
177cm-179cm: Upper average
180cm-182cm: Tallish
183cm-186cm: Solid tall
187cm-190cm: Very tall
191cm and above: 99th+ percentile, really tall
AndrewV said on 22/Dec/19
Height chart for young Asian and Hispanic American women:
143cm and below: =1st percentile, really short
144cm-147cm: very short
148cm-151cm: Legit short
152cm-153cm: Shortish
154cm-156cm: Lower average
157cm-159cm: Solid average
160cm-162cm: Upper average
163cm-164cm: Tallish
165cm-168cm: Solid tall
169cm-172cm: Very tall
173cm and above: 99th+ percentile, really tall
AndrewV said on 22/Dec/19
Height chart for US white women ages 20-59
150cm and below: =1st percentile, really short
151cm-154cm: Very short
155cm-158cm: Legit short
159cm-160cm: Shortish
161cm-163cm: Lower average
164cm-166cm: Bang average
167cm-169cm: Upper average
170cm-171cm: Tallish
172cm-175cm: Solid tall
176cm-179cm: Very tall
180cm and above: 99th+ percentile, really tall
Sakz said on 22/Dec/19
@6'1 guy He's clearly getting tall and very tall confused. His definition of tall is standing out.
khaled taban said on 22/Dec/19
@Greg , see this link :Click Here . this is 2000 CDC growth chart , If you look at 50% percentage , It comes to 177cm (5'9.7").
FiveEightJake said on 22/Dec/19
@Nik Ashton

Yes I’ve got 3 siblings my two older brothers are 5’8 and 6’ , sister is 5’6, parents are around 5’10 & 5’6, maybe half an inch taller peak, they are nearly 60 tbf.

Also, you’re right I’ve worked in Stoke & Nottingham areas and the average felt quite a fair bit lower there. Cheshire is predominantly whites I guess. Didn’t see many multi cultured people kicking about. Could mean a higher average.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 22/Dec/19
Further to my comment on muscle definition from yesterday, I'd like to add that I've read that muscles 'have memories', and once they've been formed, it only takes one's day-to-day normal activity for them to return. I have seen this on a number of occasions after illness throughout my life.

I remember the excruciating pain I went through as a developing child to form them, but it's well worth it. I didn't really know what was going on; my ulterior motive was that I was saving on my bus fares! After around 8 months, the pain subsided and the walking became less and less of an effort. Obviously, that was called 'becoming fit'!
AndrewV said on 22/Dec/19
Your figures are pretty close to the CDC's measurements (which weren't rounded up by a half inch but to the nearest 0.1cm). The average is closer to a flat 5'9" for the whole population but it's 5'9.5" for young people ages 20-40 of all races and backgrounds. However for men of European descent of the same age group specifically, the average is a solid 5'10".
edwards said on 22/Dec/19
@ AndrewV

i had hard times on seeing that average is near 5'10.i have to say that average for all races is 5'8.5-5'9 honestly.for young folk's its around 5'9.5 but not 5'10 as i have seen and felt.maybe its rounded from 5'9.5 to 5'10.the average is still around 5'9 atleast here in the states.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 21/Dec/19
⭐ I was alerted to the fact that my weight had returned to normal when I was pottering about in the kitchen, and suddenly my knickers fell down! 😀

At first, I thought the elastic might have gone, but as I pulled them up, I could feel bones that I hadn't felt in ages, so yes, I knew I was back to you the size I used to be!
Nik Ashton said on 21/Dec/19
@ FiveEightJake - Have you got any siblings and if so how tall are they!
Nik Ashton said on 21/Dec/19
@ FiveEightJake - You could find plenty of places in England where you would feel above average, granted you would find quite a few places where you would feel like you did in Cheshire!
I sometimes feel above average in West Yorkshire and I am 5’7.25”!
Sakz said on 21/Dec/19
@pov So you keep saying but that's the opposite for many people. You're saying you're taller than most people at 6'0 but then saying you're not tall, which is just contradicting yourself. Common sense also comes into it when you take into account you're more than 80% taller than the population at 6'0, with more people shorter than you as opposed to taller. Even in terms of proportions a 6'0 or 6'1 male looks tall and can be guessed taller as some have been on here. Just stating the facts because I don't see your logic.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 21/Dec/19
@ Christian - I'd have thought a guy of your size would be able to consume far in access of just 2000 calories a day. They say the 'average man' can eat 2500 and you are far taller than the average man! 100 grams of protein for you is fine. I'd say that many a day, I consume that many myself, just not as many calories!

I have only, within the past couple of months, shaken off the poundage I gained after my hip replacement - without even trying. My muscle definition is still quite startling, something that isn't exactly visible when you've put on a few pounds!

So a message to all you youngsters out there: the muscle tissue you acquire in your young days will be pretty much with you for life. (I'm not talking about the sort of OTT muscle that comes with weight training though). I achieved mine by walking long distances every day from the age of 11.

Cheers Christian and everybody else who reads this! 😁👍 XX
Lell said on 21/Dec/19

I measured 179 cm at 1 AM after being up all day, what would I measure during lunchtime?

@Big Ben
The long legs and that you cover the whole pic makes you look atleast 6'2" haha but you look good dude, riktigt grov asså
Editor Rob
Have a chance of 180 lunchtime
Big Ben said on 21/Dec/19
@Christian 6'5 3/8" - If you're doing bodybuilding like me you should have 0.8-1g of protein per pound of bodyweight. Your average bloke however should have 0.36g of protein per pound of bodyweight. 2000-2500 is a really small amount for a guy your size, you would have to eat like 2900 calories just to maintain your weight.
Err said on 21/Dec/19
Rob how come you measured air max 90s and 95's and got easily over an inch? I have measured several different pairs/makes and all are an inch on the dot
Editor Rob
If they have a few months of wear, the insole could have lost a few mm's by the time you measure them.
6'1guy said on 21/Dec/19

What's this obsession with being known as "the tall guy?" It seems like you'd be happy at being 6'7, you'll always be the tall guy then. Bloody hell man you sound insecure as s**t. 6'2 isn't even that tall dude. I honestly think you ain't 184cm. The reason why legit 6 foot and over is such a desired height is because you are taller than 99% of women. Even when tall women wear heels you will be taller than them or as tall as them. It's not about being the Burj Khalifa. Jesus man
Greg said on 21/Dec/19
@cmillzz Yeah I agree it’s Ice’s long lost brother along with their Cousin french guy on a quest to troll the forums yet again.
Greg said on 21/Dec/19
@Christian usually it is recommended to consume between .08-1G of protein per body weight, and depending on your goals to bulk up or cut down approximately 1G of Carbohydrates per body weight.
Sean william Winter said on 21/Dec/19
pov who cares about being 6ft 2. wat does it matter. your good enough
Progking said on 21/Dec/19
@pov yeah i am basically a 184-185 guy when im out, a little less barefoot(as in my current shoes i am close to 6'2) and i still feel 6'0.5 or so is the very start of tall. The average is closer to 5'9.5 for young men, so 3 inches over is tall. I feel tall until i encounter 6'2-6'4 guys. They seem more solid and standout tall.
Mhmdmahmoud said on 21/Dec/19
Rob there are companies claim to increase
You height
And I am confused if it legit or scam ? advice me if it a legit I would to buy one of it
The name of company on facebook is "pure internationl product
Editor Rob
Whilst some exercise routines could improve your posture a bit, I think it is difficult to naturally gain height in adulthood.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 21/Dec/19
@Big Ben
170g of protein is a lot for just 1500 calories. That's a bit too much per calorie, even if you're trying to get lean. I consume around 2000-2500 a day, but my protein intake is probably no more than around 100g.
Sean william Winter said on 21/Dec/19
@big ben nice physique. i personaly like to weight but you have more muscles than me. 160 i feel to skinny..
pov said on 21/Dec/19
No one really refers to you as the “tall” guy until you’re around 6”2, maybe 6”1.5 lowest. 6 foot flat is not tall in my books. Believe me I don’t feel tall at 184cm, I am above average comfortably taller than most people. But being tall by technicality doesnt make you tall by physical presence. This is why I think the percentile argument is stupid, with that you could argue anyone 5”10+ is tall, infact anyone 0.000001cm above average is tall then. It doesn’t make sense. Common sense is the best option. 6”2 is a solid tall in pretty much everyone’s book.
AndrewV said on 21/Dec/19
@Christian 6’5 3/8”
The average for young Americans ages 20-39 of all races and backgrounds is about 5’9.5” while it’s a solid 5’10” for white men of the same age group: Click Here
Big Ben said on 21/Dec/19
@Rob - Yeah, I have a rather large head. I remember having a fraction larger head than my 6'2" friend (but he does have a rather small head) when we got our graduation hats tailored.

By the way, I got a new turtleneck and I'm curious how tall I look? Click Here

I actually haven't measured myself since I got that 178.7cm measurement by a doctor 6.5 active hours out bed. That was 7 months ago now.
Editor Rob
Above average even with head tilted down, helps your legs aren't short!
QM6'1QM said on 21/Dec/19
Big Ben said on 20/Dec/19

Good pic. I think, you're pretty mesomorph. How tall are you, 5'10 or 5'11" ?
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 21/Dec/19
If that's true, please show us the link where it says that the average young American is 5'9 7/8". Even young white Americans aren't quite that tall.

I agree with you. Young whites are "near" 5'10" (like weak 5'10" range), but not a solid or strong 5'10". 5'9.5" is possible too, but no less.
Big Ben said on 20/Dec/19
Hey Rob! I've been leaning down from mid September till now. Will keep going for a few months more. Was 181lbs and I now weigh 168lbs (sometimes the scale will say 169 and sometimes it'll say 167). It's an incredibly long and gruesome process to lose fat and keep muscle. I eat 1500 calories a day which contains 170g of protein (I try to get it all from real food like bland chicken) and no carbs (only complex carbs like brown rice or couscous). Now, I usually have one cheat meal per week but recently I've decreased it to once every 3 weeks.

Would you say face is starting to look quite sunken in? I want to get to a single digit bodyfat % which I'll hopefully reach in time for the summer. IClick Here (lol apparently this is an "erotic" image to Imgur😹😹)
Editor Rob
Maybe a bit thinner in the face now, although you don't have a narrow skull to begin with, so the effects of losing weight might not look as noticeable.
FiveEightJake said on 20/Dec/19
I had an interesting experience today. In my local town in Shropshire I actually felt above average at 5’8.5, quite a few old folks kicking about not so many young ones, later on I went to a slightly upper class town in Cheshire and tbh I felt a bit of a short arse, was probably down to about 173.6 then as it was late evening. It didn’t help that at one of the m & s stores there was a few girls who worked there that were i’d say about 5’9, 5’11 & 6’1, it was rather odd, there was also plenty 5’6 - 5’9 women kicking about and most blokes seemed 5’10-11, maybe it’s just a shop for tall people I don’t know. Plenty of young people in town too. I did feel in that lower average range there. Seemed like most of the blokes were indeed 5’10 or higher but still saw quite a few blokes similar to me.

Definitely interesting that certain parts of the country and obviously different age groups can make you feel taller or shorter. I feel like if I ever went to the Netherlands I’d feel like a right Hobbit 😂
cmillz said on 20/Dec/19
Lol at anyone taking Redwing seriously at this point.
c-mo said on 20/Dec/19
I know I already said it often (or at least something similar) but I want to say it one more time :

when it comes to aeshtethics without comparing the height with other heights then around 179-180cm is the most aesthetic height . it somehow looks the most harmonic and proportionate

it is also a great height in general too . you are strong average even in most european countries and will be above average or even tallish sometimes

and 184-185cm is the overall perfect height if you have good body proportions because at 184-185 you will almost never be towered by other men and you are fairly tall without being too tall . even a 195cm man will not tower you ...he will be noticably taller than you but you wont look "short" next to him . only men who are like 200cm+ or so will tower you and who cares about that ...they are rare anyway

so I would say the overal ideal range is 179cm to 184/185cm at night with harmonic body proportions . anything below 178cm nighttime is not ideal and anything above 185cm at night is not ideal IMO . I dont mean to say that other heights are bad ...of course a well built 190cm has a good height and I am around 176cm in the afternoon-evening and I feel that my height is very decent and fairly good . but yeah I think "ideal" is 179 - 184 range .
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 20/Dec/19

That seems most likely. He has reproduced the 175.2cm measurement a multitude of times. Therefore, the measurement is highly reliable, and I don't understand what the problem is. He's either a 5'9 guy or a solid 6'1 guy. Is he absolutely certain his dad is 6'2? My mom keeps going on about my dad being 6'0, but I know I've measured myself as 5'10 many times before, and I am taller than him by 2-3 inches, so I know not to trust her judgement on his height. When in doubt, just measure yourself, or record your eye level at the very least, I believe Rob has suggested the latter to Redwing. Finally, I recommend that Redwing take a picture of himself when his whole body is in the frame so we can gauge his height through his body proportions. Additionally, if he is standing next to an object that we know the height of or even another person, it will make things easier.
Greg said on 20/Dec/19
@Xeon 5’8 @Khaled Taban I would say the average is 5’9.5 for young American men it could be between 5’9.25-5’9.5. Robs estimate for 5’9.75 would be right out of bed with bust a gut/and or shoes perhaps,
Greg said on 20/Dec/19
@RedWing easy there buddy, we only get triggered and lash out emotionally if there’s an element of truth to something. I wasn’t ‘having a go at you mate’ simply facing you with the possible cold truth you may not be 6’1 as other posters here have said. I never said you were not civil with me before but sounds like you are projecting your insecurities into me right now. When the facts up in your face like “how you going?”Don’t project, that’s a really beta behavior. If you are getting measured at 5’9 then you can’t be 6’1 that’s 4 inches of difference, not sure how that could be possible to me it sounds like a troll. You could easily use an aerosol can against the wall method and use the tape it’s not rocket science tbf it’s so easy a cave man can do it 😂
Greg said on 20/Dec/19
@Johan 185 cm most doctors have accurate stadiometers depending how they are set up, gym stadiometers are usually not the same model that Doctors/Rob uses. For example, my gyms stadiometer is flimsy and will under/over measure you because the top part won’t go straight on top of your head. It’s more accurate to use a SECCA or aerosol can method. And the doctors could have a flimsy one too if it’s set up on carpet it can under measure you a fraction, that’s happened to me before.
Johan 185 cm said on 20/Dec/19

You could always go to see your doctor and ask them to measure you at the clinic. Most surgeries have a stadiometer available, or go to the gym and ask someone there?

Then you will know for sure.
mrfunnyguy said on 20/Dec/19
@Redwing Sorry to disappoint you, but it seems to be that you really are 175.2 cm if you measured yourself as that with different measuring tapes.
Editor Rob
Let's all hope Redwing can get to the bottom of the mystery!
Emil said on 20/Dec/19

Sounds to me that you're in fact 175.2 cm and not 186 cm as you previously thought.
ltyfm6740 said on 20/Dec/19
What is the difference between legit 5ft 11 and flat 5ft 11 in cm or mm?
Redwing said on 20/Dec/19
Greg, hi? No I’m not lying about being 6’1 I’m not Glenn my guy; I’ve bn on this site for ages too man. Pretty weird you’re having a go at me over my own height? Who hurt you? I’ve only approached you in the past on here and I was always civil cause I thought you were a cool poster.. No I use the Hart measuring tape, haven’t used a stadiometer before but I want too tbh.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 20/Dec/19
Maybe it depends on the region, because here in LA (and SoCal in general), black men don't feel any shorter than white men on average. I don't know if you see it differently though, since we live in the same area.
Nik said on 19/Dec/19
@ Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) - You are so right!
Adam5602 said on 19/Dec/19
I recently bought the Hopkins Road Rod portable stadiometer and it measured me at 180(5'10 7/8) cm straight out of bed, and at 5'10 1/4 before bed. Is this stadiometer reliable or accurate for determining height?
Editor Rob
The Road Rod is basically the Seca Leicester model, sold under Road Rod name. So it is probably going to add (like the seca) a couple of mm more. I'd still call yourself a solid 5ft 10 guy
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 19/Dec/19

How is it that you consistently measure yourself at 175cm but yet stipulate that you've measured 186cm before? What's your eye level, first of all? That's like saying in my case, that I've measured 183cm and now measure 178cm, which just isn't possible as my eye level is 166.37cm. Are you absolutely certain you're as tall as you say you are? It's very bizarre that you would measure a full 10cm shorter than your claim.
khaled taban said on 19/Dec/19
@AndrewV,CDC average is 5'9.7/8 for the young genration in the US.
Xion 5'8 said on 19/Dec/19
Xeon 5'8 said on 18/Dec/19
@Rob What is your guess about the average height of young american white men?
Editor Rob
I can believe the CDC figures are reasonable, near 5ft 10 for them.

@Rob The average according CDC is 177.4 cm, but they measured them with bust a gut and i suppose that 4 hours out of bed.
Is possible 5'9.5" for young american white men?
Editor Rob
5ft 9.75 10-11am I think is very believable for that 18-30 range.
Nik Ashton said on 19/Dec/19
@ John124 - Where do you live?
Nik Ashton said on 19/Dec/19
@ John124 - Too true! There are a lot of working class areas in England and in those areas people are quite a bit shorter than what they are on average in the whole of England, many of these working class areas are in northern England but not all of them though! 🥾👢!
Greg said on 19/Dec/19
@Redwing that doesn’t make any sense all tape measures are the same, either you don’t know how to use it simply or you’re not 186cm to me honestly just sounds like your 175cm and in denial are you using an aerosol can against the wall? Or how on earth are you trying to measure yourself? That can’t be right and don’t ever try to base your height off of other people unless you have actually seen them measure in front of you I know plenty of people who say “ oh he says he’s this so I must be this” that’s not right.
Poster said on 18/Dec/19
@AndrewV: That's true. Southern white people tend to be Anglo-Celtic. Australians might be the closest genetic match to them. However, there are some parts of the South that have more people of French, German, and Irish ancestry. It's also true that SE Asians tend to be smaller, not just shorter, than NE Asians. There are other differences that aren't appropriate to mention on a board dedicated to height. Their height differences are almost certainly genetic in origin. There may even be genetic strength differences. I once saw a documentary in which SE Asian women attempted weight training. The narrator mentioned that they lacked the musculoskeletal structure and physical strength to lift as much as other women. They showed SE Asian women struggling to move even moderate amounts of weight.
Redwing said on 18/Dec/19
Hi rob, all right then and nah mate I wouldn’t joke around about lying about tape measurements and tapes themselves. Yes I actually have a few measuring tapes lying around (Dad is a builder) that all seem to be measuring me at 175.2 m. My dad not biological one, is 6’2 when I stand straight we’re similar heights, I say I’m 186 cm cause that’s what I measured myself as when I was 20. I met NZ actor Ben Barrington and I was under his nose with same footwear.

Yeah I’ll definitely buy another measuring tape but I just can’t find the right one, as they all measure me at 175 m. I could show you the tape I used through pic? Also yes I’ll definitely send a comparison pic of the tapes ( just need to find one that measures me correctly first) I do have a fridge I’ll look it up online then too. Also if I were 5’9 why would I be looking at the moustache of a 6’4 man? 😂
Editor Rob
Maybe try holding the tape measure right in front of you and look straight ahead.

If you are looking nearer 164cm than 174cm (with your eyes) then you would in fact be nearer 176 than 186.

However the fact you also say you got 186 makes this a very curious case, I hope you can figure out your true measurement!
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 18/Dec/19

A difference of 1cm is insignificant and not worth mentioning. There's no use bragging about half an inch when you're basically about eye level with someone else.
QM6'1QM said on 18/Dec/19
John124 said on 17/Dec/19

How tall are you ? 5'11 ?!
But you're right.
Xeon 5'8 said on 18/Dec/19
@Rob What is your guess about the average height of young american white men?
Editor Rob
I can believe the CDC figures are reasonable, near 5ft 10 for them.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 18/Dec/19
@ Bego - A belated "👍!"

I have only just noticed your reply! 😉
Kiers96 said on 18/Dec/19
Hey Rob if after almost 4 hours out of bed I'm 175.4cm what would be a good claim to make?
Editor Rob
Claim 5ft 9 or 175, that's personally what I'd do.
AndrewV said on 18/Dec/19
@Christian 6'5 3/8"
Black men have consistently been shorter than white men by 1cm in every anthropometric study conducted by the military and the CDC. That being said, the distribution (standard deviation) is greater for black men ie the 95th and 5th percentiles are slightly taller/shorter for black men than for white men. This is likely due to Black Americans being among the most genetically diverse populations on earth, with ancestry from multiple regions in West-Central Africa along with significant European and Native American admixture over the centuries (the average African-American is 20%-25% European).

SE Asian Americans are definitely shorter than their NE Asian counterparts, my Thai and Cambodian friends are noticeably shorter than the Chinese and Koreans I've known. As an example, Thai youth in Bangkok have peaked at a height of 170cm-171cm (from Thai medical data, I can provide and translate it if you want) since the early 2000s. Urban Thais have a standard of living comparable to developed East Asian and Western countries, they're just genetically shorter on average. You will see the same trend with Malaysians, who've also peaked at 5'6"-5'7". All in all, based on my own experience, the average young Asian-American comes up just under or at my eye level (172cm), which is also corroborates with the CDC's data.

That's not entirely true, the vast majority of White Americans have ancestry to varying degrees from the British Isles, with some admixture from other Western and Central European countries. The areas will you will find significant Polish, Italian, Jewish, etc. ancestry are in urban areas like NYC or LA, the Southern whites are largely of British descent while Midwesterners are a generally broad mix of British, German, and Scandinavian.

Regarding South Koreans, I never discounted the role nutrition, only that such gaps in nutrition(at least in regards to growth hormones) aren't as pronounced in developed western countries. Also, South Koreans are no longer growing taller after peaking at 5'8"-5'9" in the early 2000s.
Greg said on 18/Dec/19
@Rob oh well I only vote once per 24 hours on a given celebrity as far as I remember. Not sure if something happened with my phone that triggered that automatic block from voting/posting. Because I did notice that it wasn’t saving my information despite not clearing my browser but then after a while it started working again so who knows 🤷🏻‍♂️ No big deal I was just curious as I never had that happen before. I remember at one point it wasn’t letting me access the site all together.
Editor Rob
Just be careful of repeated submissions, because if you submit too many on the one celeb and reach a limit (say 30 attempts), it can be the cause.
AndrewV said on 18/Dec/19
@Nik Ashton

Not a tall area, but an average one for the US. Young white and black guys are around 5'10" while young Asian and Hispanic guys are slightly under 5'8". Older people from each for those demographics average about an inch or half inch shorter than their younger counterparts.
edboy said on 18/Dec/19
@mrfunnyguy They still don't believe you.
John124 said on 17/Dec/19
If you are 183cm in South Asia/Southeast Asia it's the equivalent of between 6'2 and 6'4.5 in Europe as far as frequency of occurrence in the native population. 183cm/184cm is the most balanced height there is in Europe, but anything over that would start to be excessive in many parts of the world. When I was in Thailand training In Muay Thai I came to the conclusion that 183cm - 184cm was a golden height for that martial art. The balance of a relatively low centre of gravity at heights of 183cm/184cm or less, and the proportionally long reach of limbs at heights of between 181 - 184cm is magnificent. If you have proportionally shorter limbs being 185cm+ is better. Flat broad feet also help with balance relative to height. I personally have UK size 12 feet that are broad and flat and it helps with my balance. A friend of mine is slightly shorter and has the same size feet, another is taller and has smaller feet, so there is no single best height in Muay Thai.

People like 5'4 range Suphachai Saenpong (Saenchai) show that height means nothing in Muay Thai.

Here is the Youtube video:

Click Here

And 5'8 range Sombat Banchamek (Buakaw Banchamek) is a formidable force:

Click Here
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 17/Dec/19
Black men aren't 1cm shorter than white men. It's virtually the same, maybe a 1/4" difference at most.
Nik Ashton said on 17/Dec/19
@ Mark O’ Connor - I agree with everything you said, 6’1” ain’t far off “very tall” territory for mine!
Nik Ashton said on 17/Dec/19
@ AndrewV - You must live in a tall area!
Nik Ashton said on 17/Dec/19
@ Christian 6’5 3/8” - Thanks!
Nik Ashton said on 17/Dec/19
@ Bobby 5ft 10in (178 cm) - I agree with everything you said to Cedric on 14/Dec/19!
Nik Ashton said on 17/Dec/19
@ pov - Therefore being 2.5” below average does not make you short!
John124 said on 17/Dec/19

I have lived in eight different regions of England over the years and I can tell you that the average height here varies from place to place. I'm not saying your observations in America aren't correct, but in England the average height is anywhere from 5'8.75 - 5'10.5 depending on where you are and the distribution of wealth.

The genetic makeup of Americans and British is not identical, although similar enough. An average 'white' American is essentially a combination of German and Polish with a lesser amount of British and Irish. Although this will vary substantially from person to person and region to region in the US corresponding to the settlement of that area. For example Minnesota has a greater number of people that possess Scandinavian heritage compared to other parts of America.

Northwestern Europeans; that is to say people from France, Germany, England, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, have very similar genetics. So why are the British a few inches shorter on average than the Dutch?

The Dutch used to be the shortest in Europe, they are now the tallest. This is because they, along with the Germans and Scandinavians have some of the highest rates of breastfeeding in Europe. They also importantly have a lot of protein and calcium in their diets from their high consumption of dairy products.
Dutch people exercise a lot in the form of cycling which is very efficient at stimulating the growth plates at the end of the long bones in the legs; primarily the tibiae, femora, and fibulae and to a lesser extent the humeri, ulnae, and radii, in the arms. Dutch and Danish people cycle more than pretty much any nation on earth.
The disparity between rich and poor is also not as pronounced in Holland compared to the UK. This ties in with diet, education, and the fact that breastfeeding rates are much lower in Britain compared to The Netherlands.

Here is the basic formula:
Genetics + Nutrition - Stressors = Final Height. Stressors would be things like childhood disease. This impacts the ultimate height of a person quite substantially, however, if the stressors are relatively mild (for example a bout of chickenpox) this will likely have a negligible impact even if it occurs during a critical growth phase, because the duration of illness lasts only a few weeks and there is often catch up growth when conditions improve.

To illustrate my point further, the South Koreans are substantially taller than North Koreans yet they are the same people. Just like the Dutch in the past, South Koreans now are getting taller on average. With better healthcare and nutrition, the health and therefore the average height of population as a whole is greater.

These factors I've mentioned have caused the average height of these populations to skyrocket over the course of the past 100 years, although the average height of the Dutch looks like it is now in a state of stagnation. Genetics is the main factor when determining the final height of an individual, but genetics is far less significant than the overall health of a population when determining the average height of that population.
Nik Ashton said on 17/Dec/19
@ khaled taban (autocorrect tried to change it to Tananarive!) - It’s not in all areas! The overall national average may be 5’9”, including the younger generation!
Nik Ashton said on 17/Dec/19
@ AndrewV - Gone too high for A and B!
Nik Ashton said on 17/Dec/19
@ Sean william Winter - I am from Featherstone/ Pontefract in England! The average in my area is similar to the average where Connor lives!
Nik Ashton said on 17/Dec/19
@ Sean william Winter - I am 171 cm and I am happy to be this height, I generally feel anonymous in terms of height!
Sakz said on 17/Dec/19
@Johan 185cm To that point I came across an article the other day which claimed short women and tall men make the happiest couples with the best relationships. It actually stated the bigger the height difference the better, with references to celebrity couples where there's a foot or more difference.
Nik Ashton said on 17/Dec/19
I was definitely taller than most of the men I saw today in 🥾s, Pontefract! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿!
weasd said on 17/Dec/19
Rob what would you guess my height to be?

My eye level is about 172cm, middle of forehead is about 177cm. My chin is about 160cm.
Editor Rob
Could be 185cm, but also plus or minus a bit
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 17/Dec/19

Because it's gonna look like you're taking your little sister out to dinner or something. Additionally, from seeing height differences on screen, the best difference looks to be between 4-5 inches. You could make an argument for 6-8 inches, but any higher and you might struggle with kissing her and I for one do not want to break my back.
Greg said on 17/Dec/19
Rob why are my previous comments not showing up? I don’t think their was anything against the terms and conditions about them. I was just wondering because everyone else’s comments have shown except mine. Did they get lost somewhere?
Editor Rob
My advice is to be honest with votes 😉 Too many submissions (well into double figures) on the same person can trigger a block.
Sean william Winter said on 17/Dec/19
@f97 172 173 cm.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 17/Dec/19
@ AndrewV - That's a great deal of trouble you went to. How very sweet of you!
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 17/Dec/19
i don't think that young Southeast Asian Americans (I'm specifically referring to American born SE Asians, and not native SE Asians) average as low as 5'6"-5'7". The former grew up on a western diet and superior healthcare compared to the latter. I'd say more around 5'7"-5'8" range. They're really not that much shorter than young NE Asian Americans, who're no less than 5'8" IMO.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 17/Dec/19
Cool, I didn't know that you live in LA as well. But the chart I made was purely based on my opinions and personal observations, so it doesn't necessarily mean it's 100% accurate. I can't really see young Asians and Hispanics below 5'8" though. In some cases, they almost seem as tall as whites and blacks of all ages. (5'9" or so) BTW, the suburb I live has around a 55% Asian/Hispanic population, and it feels roughly 5'8".
Sean william Winter said on 16/Dec/19
i measured again rob i used the stadiometer tower and a solid wall and i moved the tower close until it just about touches my other finger tip and i measured 6'2.75 inch as my wingpsan? so close to 6'3. so i guess i dont
Luca said on 16/Dec/19
Rob, last thing about it, referring to my last messages... I remember that in those conditions I even measured 3 mms under my extreme low (starting from a height quite over it) and that that time, if I stopped measuring myself for 30 seconds-1 minute, and then I remeasured myself, I gained some mms of height... What could this mean at the end of the day? Unoptimal posture or effective shrinkage?
Editor Rob
I think that sounds more postural/stance related rather than the discs regaining so soon.
Goel175cm said on 16/Dec/19
@ Andrew V
I gone through the site you have provided.
But the average height of young men (Age 20-30) in India is no more than 166cm if you include all states, urban and rural population.
If the average is seriously 5'8-5'9 and even 5'6-5'7 for lower class then I must feel only a bit above average which is not at all a case in india.
I have travelled to almost all states of India, In North India, I edge out men by 3-4 inches but in South india, I edge out by solid 4 inches.
Here is the 2005-06 national family health survey which includes the whole population of India from Poorest to richest.
Click Here
In this site average male height age 18-24 year olds average 165.1-2cm.
Here is the another 2015-16 nfhs survey site in which almost 1 lakh men and 6 lakh women got measured, which tells you the average height of Indian men in 2015-16 is stagnated or decreased a bit
This site states that the average height of indian men is stagnated at 165cm even for young men
Overall from my observation, I would say that 165-66cm is the perfect average male height of young men in India.
I would be more surprised if the average is even 5'6 for young men.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 16/Dec/19
@Sean Winter

Not quite sure actually. I think at least 183cm and at most 188cm.
Johan 185 cm said on 16/Dec/19

Yes I agree with the max 8" part personally. I always dated within 5'5"-5'10" usually, only a couple of times did I date women taller or shorter than that.

I never really understood very short women dating very tall guys. Always looked very strange to me, like a father and daughter rather than a couple. I have friends who have that 12"+ difference ( guys who are 6'6+) but they don't have much choice really as most women aren't that tall.

Between me and my wife there is 6.5" inches difference but I have noticed that many couples have a bigger difference. 8-9 inches is quite common.
AndrewV said on 16/Dec/19
Height chart for American men in a diverse area among all ethnicities and ages:
160 and below: =1st percentile, men shorter than you will be quite uncommon
161cm-164cm: Very short (=95th percentile)
191cm and above: 99th+ percentile, men taller than you are quite uncommon

Height chart for young and middle aged white men in the US (subtract 1cm for black men):
163cm and below: =1st percentile
164cm-167cm: Very short (=95th percentile)
193cm and above: 99th+ percentile

Height Chart for young Asian and Hispanic men in the US:
157cm and Below:
mrfunnyguy said on 16/Dec/19
@Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) Why would it look really weird with more than 5 inches difference? If the woman is 5 inches shorter, the top of her head would practically reach the guy's eyes. Is it really that uncommon for the girl to be shorter than that?
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 16/Dec/19
@Jeff Hey
Yes, Asians, Hispanics, Arabs, and anyone else not black or white. I didn't include blacks because they're around the same height as whites.

A. 5'8.75"
B. 5'9.25"
C. about 5'7"
I don't really see the youth getting any taller compared to middle aged people.
AndrewV said on 16/Dec/19
@Nik Ashton

Going by CDC data (page 15): Click Here

A) Middle aged and elderly men of all races: 5'7.5"-5'9", it varies by age range: 60-69 year olds are 5'9", 70-79 year olds are 5'8", and 80+ year olds are 5'7.5", reflecting height shrinkage as people age.

B) Middle aged and elderly white/black men: 5'8.5"-5'9" (over 60 years old, white and black men in their 40s and 50s are fairly similar in height to their younger counterparts at 5'9.5"-5'10").

C) Middle aged and elderly minorities: 5'5"-5'6" (Over 60 years old, elderly Asians are nearer 5'5", while elderly Hispanics are 5'6"). Keep in mind that broad categories like "Asian" and "Hispanic" do not cover the heterogeneity of each of those groups in the US. People in those categories can be from a variety of ethnicities/nationalities like Chinese, Vietnamese, Guatemalan, Mexican, Filipino, etc. who all have different height averages. In my own experience growing up around Asian communities in LA, young guys from Northeast Asian backgrounds (Chinese, Korean, etc.) will average 5'8"-5'9" while young Southeast Asians (Thai, Filipinos, Vietnamese) will be more 5'6"-5'7" range.
Redwing said on 16/Dec/19
Rob, I’m not sure if that was attitude or not? Or just sarcasm lol?? But yeah man nah I wouldn’t lie to you about the whole misconception about tape measurements here in NZ. Idk how a tape can measure one so short when then there 5 inches taller, been a meme bet on ur sight for 3 years so I know how to measure right 😄 got a new tape tho it’s being shipped lol
Editor Rob
If you weren't a long term poster I'd have thought it was a joke, but since I've read in the past you complained about another tape being dodgy and giving 175cm or something, then it's a curious situation really. How did you get the 186cm measurement to begin with, using another tape or stadiometer?

If you get another tape, please lay them side by side and take a photo for us, as I'm interested to see if it's anything obvious about the tapes 👍

Do you have a fridge in the house? Usually they have a model number you could look up the height online and use your tape to see if it is close?
AndrewV said on 16/Dec/19
In developed western countries there is actually a very marginal, if non-existent, difference in mean height between the upper and lower socioeconomic classes since the nutrition and growth hormones (whether healthy or not) needed to achieve maximum height growth are almost universally available to everyone. Height is 60%-80% genetic, with the rest being environmentally determined. The countries you see with a stark difference in mean height between socioeconomic classes are mostly in the developing world where adequate nutrition and healthcare isn't ubiquitous. In India, upper-class, high-caste students average 5'8"-5'9" while lower class youngsters are 5'6"-5'7" range: Click Here

Based on my own observations living in the US South, there is virtually no difference in the average or distribution between wealthier white college students and whites in rural and urban working class settings; both groups average around 5'10". Other posters have also made another correct observation: People of European descent in Western countries have stagnated in height, both young (20-39 yrs.) and middle-aged (40-59 yrs.) white men in the US average around 5'10" with similar distributions, which is also reflected by CDC data and my own experience.
Mark O' Connor said on 16/Dec/19
How can 6'1 at a low not be tall for some people? It is clearly 4 inches above average as the 5'10 average is based on morning or midday measurements and not in the evening. In my opinion the average height, even for young guys cant be more than 5'9 in most countries
c-mo 176.2cm said on 15/Dec/19
@ john124

I agree with you . around 183cm with a big/heavy frame and good body proportions is the best height
Sean william Winter said on 15/Dec/19
nik ashton whats life like at 172 cm? do you ever desire to be taller. and were are you from ? what is your experience do you feel short below average etc.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 15/Dec/19

You have some merit to what you say. I think a maximum of 5 inches looks the most aesthetic, or even just 4 inches, but any higher tends to look really weird. But yeah, when women make these height stipulations, they're referring to when they wear heels. So, if a woman is like 5'4 or something and throws on a pair of 3-4 inch heels, I'd say you gotta be a minimum of 5'10 or better yet, 6'0, to still be quite a bit taller than her. Ultimately though, it matters what the height difference is when you're both barefoot or in normal footwear.
Sean william Winter said on 15/Dec/19
bobby how long is your wingspan for matters of interest. any guys here at 178 cm with a wingspan greater than 188 cm if so let me know. im not sure it has any benefits unless your into sports. boxing climbing.olympics.
Sean william Winter said on 15/Dec/19
rob do i have long arms?? my wingspan is 6ft 2. or 188 cm. measured accurately.
Editor Rob
For your height it's getting into above average. The funny thing about armspan ratio, is that as we age, it basically increases, moreso in females as they will lose more height, but their armspans won't change much.
F97 said on 15/Dec/19
What would be a common eyelevel for someone in the 183-184cm range?
Sakz said on 15/Dec/19
@pov 6'0 is just tall whereas 6'2 starts becoming more standout tall.
Sakz said on 15/Dec/19
@pov There's a difference between tall and standout tall, as has been discussed many times.
AndrewV said on 15/Dec/19
Tallness is definitely a matter of perspective. If you define tall as "standing out" from the crowd, then you'd probably have to be around the 95th percentile of height to really "tower" and stand out from average height people. In the US, that would be 6'2" or 6'3" depending on the demographic(s) you're around. Personally, tallness for me is based on the amount of people who are shorter than you in a given population or demographic. To that end, one standard deviation above the average (84th percentile) is what I consider legit tall, even if it wouldn't "stand out" per say. In the US and UK, that would be 6'0"-6'1".

@Big Q
3/4 of and inch is a very normal and common shrinkage in height.

Christian 6'5 3/8"
I would 100% agree with this if you added .25 of an inch to white/black men and subtracted a half inch for Asians/Hispanics. Young Asians and Hispanics, based on living in LA, aren't quite a solid 5'8" on average.
khaled taban said on 15/Dec/19
@Nik Ashton.
No , It's not. The average is 5'9" for all ages including an 80 years old shrunk man !
The real US average is nearly 5'9.7" for the younger generation.
Bego said on 15/Dec/19
@Big Q Normal!
John124 said on 14/Dec/19
Here is the thing about height, most women want a guy that is taller than them by 2-3 inches, or better yet taller than them in 3-4 inch heels by 2-3 inches. But a lot will date guys the same height or a few inches taller. What is that about? Well it just goes to show that height is not that important to women, some might have a very rigid view of what they want in their minds and stick to it in their dating life. But most do not. Especially as they find guys attractive for a combination of reasons; looks, physique, intelligence, humour, trustworthiness etc.
Height is not a deal-breaker for most women, only for perhaps 25% of them. For most as long as you are not shorter than them or better yet are a few inches taller, they will absolutely be interested in a guy for primarily other reasons.

My personal conclusion is that very tall guys and short/average height women don't look good together. Couples look better in my opinion when their height difference is not excessive. Perhaps an 8 inch difference at most.

This would mean that a 5'6/5'7 guy would look good with women 4'10/4'11 or 5'1/5'2 up to a maximum of 5'3.

A 5'9/5'10 guy would look good with women 5'1/5'2 or 5'4/5'5 up to a maximum of 5'6.

A 6'0/6'1 guy would look good with women 5'4/5'5 or 5'7/5'8 up to a maximum of 5'9.

A 6'2/6'3 guy would look good with women 5'6/5'7 or 5'9/5'10 up to a maximum of 5'11.

On a side note, the average for young men in England is no more than 5'9.5 (176.5cm at a low). It is not a full 5'10. In upper middle class areas the average might easily be 5'11 but that doesn't reflect the average as a whole. The thing that people need to realise is that there are lots of working class areas in the UK. In some of them the average for young men reaches 5'9, and in others it's more like 5'8.5/5'8.75.
Greg said on 14/Dec/19
Height is very interesting because we all are different heights and each measurement varies throughout the day. I think this is what continues to maintain my interest in height. Also the fact that many people inflate or have no idea how tall they really are. Same with different marks people always have them mixed up, which doesn’t help the confusion. I’ve become obsessed with height, but I look at it as a health obsession, the forums for the most part is a great place and good discussions come into play except for the few trolls and Morons on here 😂 alas.
daad1234 said on 14/Dec/19
Rob, is it likely that I didn't reach my full height potential if I didn't eat any vegetables or fruit at all almost all of my childhood and adolescence but otherwise ate pretty healthy?
Editor Rob
Diet might have some effect, but bodies can go through phases of poor nutrition and then periods in which they can recover, or have some catch up height gains. It's why even improving diet (if you had a poor one) in mid to late teens may well be helpful in achieving genetic potential.
Poster said on 14/Dec/19
@Andrew V: That's right. That's why some White populations are taller than other ones. It comes down to ancestry and settlement. My guess is that the Upper Midwest is somewhat taller than the South, which is taller than the Northeast. To simplify it, it's like Northwest continental Europe compared to the British Isles, which is compared to Southern Europe. I think that the Midwest may be comparable to the South, with its mix of British Isles, German, and Eastern European groups.
Jeff Hey said on 14/Dec/19
@Christian 6'5 by minorities you mean asian and hispanic?
AndrewV said on 14/Dec/19
No, we’re saying 178cm is average for young white guys because that’s what the data from the CDC and the military has consistently shown for decades. It just so happens that that data also happens to line up with the my own experiences and that of other posters here.

@khaled taban
Being an inch under average doesn’t make you short in the same way being an inch over average doesn’t make you tall.

No, I claim 5’9”-5’11”” is a common height range because that’s what all the data shows, I’m perfectly able to gauge people’s height based on me being just over 6’0”. There’s no way most American men you see are under 5’9” unless you live in a majority Asian/Hispanic area, the overall national average is 175cm-176cm including shorter minorities and older people. I’m sorry, but I just can’t take you seriously anymore when you choose to ignore all the measured data and then falsely claim that I’m misjudging people’s heights. Unlike you, I’ve actually provided measured medical data that also corroborates with my own personal experiences. So far, you’ve been dismissive of anyone or any piece of evidence that contradicts your own preconceived narrative.
Nik Ashton said on 14/Dec/19
@ Sean william Winter - Too true!
Nik Ashton said on 14/Dec/19
@ Christian 6’5 3/8” - What do you think the US averages are for the following groups of men?

A) Middle aged and elderly men of all races.

B) Middle aged and elderly white/black men.

C) Middle aged and elderly minorities.
Nik Ashton said on 14/Dec/19
@ pov - Being that amount below average doesn’t make you short!
Luca said on 14/Dec/19
Rob, referring to my last message, I meant to say that in those conditions, even if at the beginning I was well over my low, after all that I even ended measuring myself below my extreme lowest measurement... What can be considered the cause to that? An actual shrinkage or not?
Editor Rob
It's difficult to say because I have tested this kind of thing myself when doing all those sneaker videos and generally I think any time I felt there was a change (I do two takes of barefoot then in sneakers) I would put it down to simply not standing just quite as tall for one measurement as the previous, rather than losing 1-2mm within a few minutes.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 14/Dec/19

The average isn't 177cm for youth, it's under that. The overall average is 5'8.5 for the general population I feel and 5'9 at most for the younger generation. Some will have you believe that 5'10 is average for the young generation, specifically, young white males but that's only true in some parts of Europe, but not in North America. Being 172cm is weak average, but you're tall enough not to get called short either, so you're within the average range. Half inch plus or minus is within average, so if the average height were 5'10.5 for instance, and you were 5'10 or 5'11, you'd be considered average height, but if you were 5'9.5 you'd be considered weak average, but that's my opinion. I think an inch to an inch and a half is enough to classify different categories. Like, 1.5 inches over the average height at minimum is enough to say you're above average. If you're 2 to 2.5 inches taller than average, you're tallish or moderately tall. If you're 3 to 3.5 inches over the average, you're considered tall, in my opinion once again.
Nik Ashton said on 14/Dec/19
@ Sandy Cowell - It’s not easy to say but I reckon sub 5’9”!
Sakz said on 14/Dec/19
@John124 A lot of that depends on build and proportions. It also depends on what you mean by a big head. If you're referring to length then there's no correlation and you wouldn't expect a 6'1 guy to have a big head at all.

@Khaled Just because you feel short at your height it doesn't mean you are though. There's a difference between the two. A few people on here have said they don't feel tall at 6'0 but that doesn't automatically mean it's not tall. It's usually a mental aspect and a lot of people tend to focus on taller people which creates a bias.
Redwing said on 14/Dec/19
Hey rob, I bought a measuring tape like you said under 20 dollars but it’s one of these ones? It says I’m 175 cm, can you look into that?

Click Here
Editor Rob
I'm not quire sure what you expect me to do? Call the local media and tell them JobMate are selling tapes with 11cm margin of error? 😲

Actually that would be an international story if it were remotely true!

I know you said you were about 186cm in the past, but you also said you measured 175cm before and complained about the height system being inaccurate in New Zealand.

Could be your measurement method, but it certainly won't be any tape measure having an 11cm margin of error.

Only thing I could think of is some people measure upside down. They put the tape unit onto the ground and run the tape up the wall, then look at the bottom - well, if they do that they need to add the width of the tape measure onto the figure they see. Many tapes have this width engraved into the unit.

I've never in all my years seen a tape measure that was wrong by more than a tiny margin, normally in the hook part, and that's with usage and wear & tear to the small rivets.

Look at these 4 tapes which have done a lot of DIY work.

I put the other rule at 29cm mark...they are all within 1mm margin of error.

Edwards is £1 from Poundland/Poundworld.

B & Q Value is £1 from

Tiger is 25 years old model from Jenny's early days.

Irwin is the best out the bunch as it's a £5 tape reduced to 75 pence at local DIY shop.
Nik Ashton said on 14/Dec/19
5’9” is average including the younger generation!
Big Q said on 14/Dec/19
My morning height at the doctors was 6’0.5 and when I measured myself at night at around 5’11.75-6’0. Does that sound about right, Or am I measuring wrong?
pov said on 13/Dec/19
@sean william winter I think 6”2 is the perfect height, because it’s clearly taller than the crowd and not too tall. You don’t stand out at 6”0 nowadays, it’s only tall by technicality.
Luca said on 13/Dec/19
Rob, I noticed that if I measure myself many many times in a row, I shrink much more than normal : is it because of an actual shrinkage or because after all that you start standing with a worse and worse posture?
Editor Rob
It's like performing under pressure. Sometimes the muscles seize up a bit and you struggle to stand quite as tall as the first time...or maybe your body does indeed just lose that tiny amount.
Sean william Winter said on 13/Dec/19
here a good example of a person getting hieght measured in shoes 179.5 Click Here .
Greg said on 13/Dec/19
@Sean William Winter don’t listen to these trolls lol it’s Ices baby brother who used to say he feels short at 6’2.5, even 6’6 is not tall now a days you have to be a minimal of 6’9 3/4 afternoon bare feet to even be considered tallish... if you hear some of this stuff though it sounds like a broken record.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 13/Dec/19

No, but it does make you tallish. If you're 3 inches above average though, you're moderately tall, and 4 inches is more solid.
Johan 185 cm said on 13/Dec/19
pov said on 12/Dec/19
Being 2 or 2.5 inches above average does NOT make you “tall”


3" is definetly enough though so an average of 5'9.5" means a 6'0.5" guy is tall. Low height ofc not morning /out of bed or whatever else people feel like claiming which is air.
khaled taban said on 13/Dec/19
AndrewV , "A solid 5'9" is not short by any means. It's bang average in general and only an inch below average for young whites, so you should virtually never feel legit short. If you consider yourself short at 5'9", then you'd have to consider 5'10"-5'11" tall, which it's not. 5'9"-5'11" is a very common and unremarkable range of heights in the US and Canada." , that inch I am below the average is what makes me short , It'd doesn't really matter if It's half an inch , inch or 5 inches , It means that I am below average in height.
Miss Sandy Cowell said on 13/Dec/19
@ Nik - How tall would you reckon is the average male height round the area you live?
AndrewV said on 13/Dec/19
@Andrew V: If (operative word) there's a difference in height between younger white Americans and younger white Canadians, it might be down to the fact that the United States has more people of Dutch, northern German, and Scandinavian descent, especially in the upper Midwest. My guess is that Americans and Canadians, of British and/or Irish descent, would be identical or very close in height. Of course, the same applies to people whose ancestry is French, Italian, Spanish, etc.

If you were to go by the data provided by the US census bureau, 62% of non-Hispanic White Americans are wholly or partially of English, Welsh, Scottish, and Irish descent. In total, 83% are of broadly Northwestern European descent, namely German, French, Scandinavian, and Dutch along with the aforementioned ethnicites from the British isles. Only 17% have known ancestry from Southern Europe and Eastern Europe. The ancestry of US whites is of course geographically concentrated, so the major cities on the coast will have a higher proportion of those with Italian, Jewish, Slavic, etc. backgrounds than the South or Midwest, where German and British are predominant.
AndrewV said on 13/Dec/19
@khaled taban
In that case, you might just be more selectively biased towards taller men which is pretty common. Feeling short and actually being short are two different things, even plenty of six footers feel short if they mainly pay attention to taller people. 5'9" is objectively not short at all unless you're in the Netherlands. I've never seen a genuine 5'9" guy get described as below average, much less short.

Eh, I'd say 3 inches over average is legit tall since it's about a whole standard deviation from the mean. 2.5 inches is the absolute low start of tall (80th percentile) while 2 inches is tallish (75th percentile).

Thankfully, that "myth" is supported by decades of measured medical/military data and the anecdotes of others on here, no matter how dismissive or condescending you want to be. If young white guys really average 175cm-176cm then you either live in an uncommonly short area or a place like Israel or Sicily. Most White Americans are of British and West European descent, populations whose averages for young men are also 5'10" range.

That's not how statistical sampling works, you don't have to get measurements of absolutely everyone in a population to find a normal distribution and mean. Decades of anthropometric studies with varied sample sizes and randomized locations has consistently shown a 5'10" male and 5'5" female average for young white Americans since the late 1970s, the data speaks for itself. If the sampling and randomization of these studies were inadequate, the data wouldn't show a consistent mean or distribution (which it does).

@Christian 6'5 3/8"
I never claimed or argued that, it's just that Greg is claiming that young white guys specifically are 5'9", which they're not.
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 12/Dec/19
My honest opinion of the male US average:

All men 5'8.75"
Young and middle aged men of all races: 5'9.25"

white/black of all ages 5'9.25"
young and middle aged white/black men 5'9.5"-5'9.75"

Minorities of all ages 5'7.5"
young and middle aged minorities: 5'8.25"
Poster said on 12/Dec/19
@Bobby: I realize that. That's why I specifically mentioned certain ancestries and regions. For example, many Americans, in the Upper Midwest, are of exclusively Northwest European descent with no admixture from other countries. You can see the same kind of thing in regions where people are of just British and/or Irish descent. Not all Americans are of mixed ancestry.
Greg said on 12/Dec/19
@Christian I agree, the average here is not over 5’8-5’9 for men, the people saying it’s higher are just being selectively bias and focusing on taller guys. White men are about 175-176cm when people think of 5’10 guys being average they are thinking of the 5’8.5-5’9 guys who claim to be 5’10 but are actually shorter that’s maybe why he thinks 5’9-5’11 is common because he’s actually thinking of guys 2 inches shorter than that now it makes sense.
Greg said on 12/Dec/19
@AndrewV I said that those heights are the most common, there’s more guys under 5’9 than over. 5’10-5’11 is not common, I will use heights at my gym as a better representation of the average since less people go than my campus and it actually will show you that the average for white males is not as tall as you think. I said that that 5’7-5’9 is common. In America 5’9-5’11 is not common for white guys, I do not live in a shorter area I live in a pretty average area. Wouldn’t I feel tall if I lived in a short area? I don’t I just feel above average and tallish most of the time. So in my gym approximately 100 people go more or less. The tallest I’ve ever seen was 6’8-6’9 followed by a 6’6 guy these heights are extremely uncommon and stand out. Then there are like 2 6’5ish guys. 1 6’4 guy. Then I would say there are perhaps 6-7 guys between 6’2-6’3 most of them being older than 20 like between 30 and 50. There are approximately 5 guys between 6’0-6’1. I only seen 2 other guys who where 5’10 range. One of them is in his 50’s and likely lost a fraction. There are more 5’11 guys most of them older than 30/40 but I think that’s just how it turned out, like 3 or 4 5’11 range guys. And I would say maybe 40-50 guys below 5’10 like 5’9 and lower with 5’2-5’3 being the shortest guy at my gym. The women range between 5’0-5’8 here was a girl at one point who I saw that was my height but haven’t seen her in a while. Tallest girl I saw at my gym was like 6’0.5”ish but she was attending dance courses not working out, she had really short hair I thought she was a guy at first, until I got a better look. There used to be a few 6’0+ trainers but they stopped working there I see a new trainer who is somewhere between 5’10-6’0 but I can never tell his height because I see him from a distance he has good proportions so I’m not sure if he looks taller or he actually is. But this alone shows I do not live in a short area, I still feel above average at my gym despite this. The owner of the gym is like a weak 5’9 guy his dad I think is around my height more or less.
Greg said on 12/Dec/19
@Redwing you can use any standard tape measure uses for construction and stuff I’m sure dollar stores have them. Idk about NZ but in America it’s easy to get.
Greg said on 12/Dec/19
@Cedric 172cm no you’re thinking of a long torso with short legs that makes you shorter, a shorter torso and long arms and legs make you look taller. Same with a smaller head size on that frame. When you say larger arms you mean longer? I think long arms in general give the lanky vibe that associates you will being taller. I was described as “lanky and tall” before by a 5’2 professor along with another kid that was maybe like 2 inches taller than me. Back then I wasn’t as heavy as I am now though. Proportions can really fool you.
Greg said on 12/Dec/19
@Pov Tall is all relative. You can be 5’11.5 and considered tall, but you can also be 6’1 and be on a different level of tall. Hell some people might not consider you tall until 6’2-6’3 you’re just saying that because you supposedly don’t feel tall at 6’0.5. When in reality you would be tall all over the word. Perhaps tallish in Amsterdam but you don’t live there last time I checked. 1-2 inches above the average is the above average/tallish zone. I think nearer 3 inches like 2.5-3 inches is definitely tallish in most places 👍.
QM6'1QM said on 12/Dec/19
John124 said on 11/Dec/19

Ok, my head/neck isn't big in real life, but you're right at 100%.
Guys 6'2+ regularly looks too tall/long for me while 2 cms taller than me, weirdest thing.
By the way, in my childhood, i did always considered body and height of Cristiano Ronaldo & my dad (184.5 cm) are perfect!
Sean william Winter said on 12/Dec/19
@pov what load of nonsense a 184 cm person in england is clearly tall heck even 5'11 1/2 is tall. im a solid 5'10 and guessed 5'11 sometimes taller i have a 6'2 wingspan same as old chap greg here. and you told us your 183 or 184 but you have the perfect hieght imo.
khaled taban said on 12/Dec/19
@AndrewV , While I agree that 5'9" is close to the average height statistically , I feel short most of the time and I wouldn't call myself an average or medium height whatsoever. These days there are a huge number of 6ft guys , especially when we are talking about the young generation , It's a bothering fact ,even in the Asian countries there are tons of 5'9" and 5'10" guys. I'd say any man below 6'0" will be among the losers.
Greg said on 12/Dec/19
@Cedric 172cm White males will average 5’10 out of bed in shoes LOL. They would probably average more 175-176cm in the afternoon/evenings based on my personal observations which is true. I swear that myth that 5’10 is the male average everywhere must have gotten spread like a zombie virus over here and now everyone believes it. So if I tell you guys the boogey man is real and is sliding in your chiminey for Christmas you’ll believe it? Sweet 😱😂.
pov said on 12/Dec/19
Being 2 or 2.5 inches above average does NOT make you “tall”
pov said on 12/Dec/19
6”1.5 the start of tall for anyone born in the 90’s or after. 5”9.5 is average. And 5”5.5 is small. From a Uk perspective.
Nik Ashton said on 12/Dec/19
@ Person111 - You must live in a tall area! 😉
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 12/Dec/19
I'll be the first to admit that I live in a below average area. But you're framing it as if everyone's guess of the average height in America is based on their local averages, which is false. The average in my area is about 5'8", but I've never said that the average in America is only 5'8". But Philadephia, which is the city where Greg lives, is more representative of the American average, since the racial composition is similar to the whole of America. (75.5% white and black, 24.5% non-black minorities in Philadelphia, and 71.6% white and black, 28.4% non-black minorities in America) And Greg has said multiple times that the average in Philadelphia is around 5'8"-5'9", and that white men aren't over 176cm.
John124 said on 11/Dec/19
The thing about 6'1 (185cm/186cm) is that a person's head looks a bit too big in real life. Of course this is just my opinion. I've noticed in films 6'1 is an excellent on-screen height, however I just can't help but notice the 6'1 person has a head that is slightly too big. I think 183cm is the perfect height. In fact it might even be 184cm.
185cm/186cm+ as an evening height just looks lanky for half of the day spent around 6'1.5ish, it's excessive. In the evening 185cm proportions would look good but 184cm would look better. 185cm at a low is the starting range of when a person could look a bit lanky. 183cm/184cm has no danger of this, it's tall but never standout.

Anything in excess of 184cm as an evening height is not necessarily better, unless of course you are living somewhere like Holland or Scandinavia in which case 6'2/6'3 would be ideal. (These are actually not that desirable in my opinion.) I would take 184cm over 6'2/6'3 any day, it's not a case of the lankier the better. Remember, that 6'1 person would be 6'2 out of bed and 6'1.5 for a good percentage of the day.

The exception is someone like Arnold Schwarzenegger. 6'1/6'1.5 is a fantastic bodybuilding height, but only if you intend to take steroids to get really big, which most of us would never want to do for obvious health reasons. So that 183cm/184cm range (185cm/186cm out of bed) might just be where it's at.


1.) 183cm range (185cm out of bed) 9.5 or 10/10
2.) 184cm range (186cm out of bed) 9.5 or 10/10
3.) 185cm range (187cm out of bed) 9 or 9.5/10
4.) 186cm range (188cm out of bed) 9/10
5.) 182cm range (184cm out of bed) 8.5/10
6'1guy said on 11/Dec/19
What do you guys think the average sneaker height is? I think it's 3.2cm. I always see people wearing nike air maxes or really thick shoes
Editor Rob
Whilst there are a lot in 3cm range, there are as many between 2 and 3cm zone.
Sean william Winter said on 11/Dec/19
@greg normaly low 178 cm range. i measured my winspan and its 188 cm. same as yours. chance we might have same body proportion. 188 cm is big wingspan for a 178 cm ?? 1.06 robs is only 176.5 cm at 173 cm.
AndrewV said on 11/Dec/19
You claimed that most white men where you live are 5'7"-5'9", which is absolutely indicative of you living in a shorter area. You're basically saying that the average for white guys is the same as Asian Americans, which it definitely isn't. I've traveled all over the US and young white guys under 40 years old I see are usually 5'9"-5'11". The average American overall, including minorities and old people, is in the 5'8"-5'10" range.

@khaled taban
A solid 5'9" is not short by any means. It's bang average in general and only an inch below average for young whites, so you should virtually never feel legit short. If you consider yourself short at 5'9", then you'd have to consider 5'10"-5'11" tall, which it's not. 5'9"-5'11" is a very common and unremarkable range of heights in the US and Canada.
Jeff Hey said on 11/Dec/19
@AndrewV you don't need to link official datas/measurments, if Greg saying thats not true, than it's not true. Accept that as a fact. His experiences more valuable than military measurments :D
Redwing said on 11/Dec/19

Hi Greg, you’ve measured you’re height before what tape do you use? Dude u don’t know how hard it is looking for a tape I bought one recently under ten bucks and it ain’t correct.. From NZ btw
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 10/Dec/19
But Canada's overall population is slightly shorter than America's. I think it's because Canada has more non-black minorities, while America's black population is 13%, compared to Canada's 3%. Blacks are the tallest racial minority group, and virtually the same as whites.

Of course, differentiating a 5'9.5" and a 5'10" guy at my height is more of a challenge, but it's still not impossible. And how am I admitting it's 5'10", when 5'9.5" is equally apart from 5'9" and 5'10"? By that logic, I can easily admit that the average young white male is 5'9", but I don't, because I can still tell the difference between 5'9.5" and 5'9" or 5'10".
Poster said on 10/Dec/19
@Andrew V: If (operative word) there's a difference in height between younger white Americans and younger white Canadians, it might be down to the fact that the United States has more people of Dutch, northern German, and Scandinavian descent, especially in the upper Midwest. My guess is that Americans and Canadians, of British and/or Irish descent, would be identical or very close in height. Of course, the same applies to people whose ancestry is French, Italian, Spanish, etc.
Bego said on 10/Dec/19
@co-mo Werent you measuring 176 or 177cm?
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 10/Dec/19

We don't need evidence and sources to state an opinion that is true to your individual experience. Height isn't an academic subject and while the CDC certainly is interested in height from an anthropomorphic standpoint and perhaps medicinally as well, I don't think it's worth it to say that height is strictly an objective affair. It's also very subjective, and also experience true for you isn't necessarily true for everyone else. So, I still strongly disagree that the average white guy, as it were, is 5'10 plus or minus half an inch.


And most whites are genetically mixed, that's a fact in this day and age. The typical white you're referring to, however, is Anglo-Saxon and Celtic in origin. Other Eurocentric populations would come from Eastern, Western, and Southern Europe. A majority of Europeans whether they admit it or not, are mixed. Italy is a prime example of this, there are a dozen different dialects in every crook and cranny from north to south. Now I myself may not even be purely Greek either, but I still would think I am 100% European.


To Canada's credit, I have heard that Vancouver has a greater proportion of whites than Toronto. Perhaps Montreal does as well, as I don't remember seeing minorities there when I visited back in 2009, but it's been a decade now, so maybe that's changed.
Greg said on 10/Dec/19
@Person111 doesn’t matter because I could tell you there was a survey with this and that and it could still be off a little bit no information is exact, with that being said I do not live in a short area you must live in a tall area or something if what you are seeing seems to be true which is selective bias. Like I was saying to AndrewV earlier. I see a fair amount of 6 footers, I see many throughout the day so this can’t be true average is not 5’10 for young men in America ask anyone else.
Greg said on 10/Dec/19
@Rossii 5’11 range starts at 180.3 which is 5’11- flat and ends at 182.7 technically 5’11.99”. Usually it has to do with someone’s proportions I’m a very weak 5’11 and a very strong 5’10 and often get guessed around 6’0 or a bit more. The trick is to have a short torso long legs and arms and wear thick footwear and most people will guess you taller. There could also be a case where a taller guy with bad proportions or extra weight might look shorter really does depend.
Greg said on 10/Dec/19
@Sean William Winter yeah but it seems almost everybody wants to be taller I’ve seen posts where 6’2 guys said they want to be 6’3 or 6’4, and even 6 feet guys complaining they aren’t tall enough which is absurd. In reality nobody cares as much as we think and it’s all in our heads. I think 6’2 is the tallest I would opt to be, 6’0 is decent and well balanced. My proportions fit more of a taller person. My arm span is around 6’2 which is a bit weird because I’m under 6’0, there’s not a big difference between us you said you fall to 5’10 flat right? Or a bit over. I feel like most people just think the grass is greener on the other side.
Greg said on 10/Dec/19
@AndrewV no I don’t my area is normal for average in men, I’m not being selectively bias I see a fair amount of tall people but the average for young white men is not 5’10, maybe like closer to 5’9 but that’s pushing it lol. What in bloody hell are you on about? I see a good amount of 6 footers, I never said that I don’t see guys taller than me just I see more shorter than taller thus that proves the average can’t be 5’10. At my gym a few 6’0+ guys go there there was a 6’9 guy and a 6’6 guy but there’s also many under 6’0, I do not live In a short area how would you even know do you live there? No that’s what I thought 😂
Greg said on 10/Dec/19
@c-mo some females and guys can’t guess height that well especially if they are way shorter or taller than you. I’m usually guessed between 5’11-6’2 and before some girl tried guessing me at 5’6 but it was obviously a troll guess seeing that’s my eye level I wouldn’t take it personally.
Progking said on 10/Dec/19
@Rossi a 5'11.5-6'0 guy is in that tallish category, very start of tall in general. Id say once you are 6'1, 6'2 in shoes, thats when solid tall starts
Bego said on 10/Dec/19
@AndrewV Alright, make a survey, go to each university pick white man only, measure all students not just few thousands or hundreds like CDC did. Make sure they are all barefoot, make sure all have combed hair as much as they can, stand very straight in natural position, and measure them with stadiometer. Because you like biased results, im not saying measurements are fake even though they can be, neasure every single white student, calculate it and return back with results.
khaled taban said on 10/Dec/19
@AndrewV , I am saying that Canadians are shorter from what I've observed when I went to Canada last year . Actually I classify myself short in the US and low average in Canada and I am solid 5'9" guy , so It's all a guess but your statics might be true.
However I agree that men 20-40 y/o average is definitely not 5'9" flat , It's clearly more than 5'9" , maybe just under 5'10" that's why I feel short at 5'9" most of the time.
Muffin Man said on 9/Dec/19
Hey Rob, I'm curious to who was the first celebrity you added to the site?
Editor Rob
It went by id number, so I started off with a fellow Scot called Robert, Carlyle, then julia roberts, then cruise, chan, van damme
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 8/Dec/19
You're right, Canada's has a higher percentage of whites than America, yet Canada's still slightly shorter.
c-mo said on 8/Dec/19
yesterday I got guessed as 180-182cm . but a few days ago I got guessed as 174 and 175

Emil said on 8/Dec/19
I think I'll just stick to 183 cm as my claim and own it. I'm only 184 range during the first 3-4 waking hours of my day anyway.
AndrewV said on 8/Dec/19
@khaled taban
Why would White Canadians be shorter than White Americans on average? Both groups are largely descended from settlers/migrants who came from the British Isles and Western Europe, so it would make sense that they would have a similar average which is what the data shows:

White American height ages 20-39 (page 15): Click Here
Canadian height ages 20-39 (adjust the reference settings): Click Here
AndrewV said on 8/Dec/19
You claim we're being selectively biased towards taller people (in spite of us citing actual measured data that matches up with our own experiences). We can easily turn that around and say that you're being selectively biased towards a shorter average in order to make yourself feel taller.

That said, I don't think that's what you're trying to do. I think you just happen to live in an area that happens to have a lot of below average men.
AndrewV said on 8/Dec/19
To all the posters here saying that the CDC and the US military's anthropometric data is overestimated: Cite your evidence and sources. The studies specifically mention that measured heights were rounded to the nearest 0.1cm and used barefoot measurements.

No one is arguing that the US average overall is 5'10". It's 5'9" overall but 5'10" for white men ages 20-40 specifically. The overall average is 5'9" when the statistical sampling includes shorter minorities and elderly people. I'm sorry, but the personal experiences of other posters on here isn't really helpful without measured data to contextualize them. It just so happens that the measured data provided by the government and academia 100% matches up with my own personal experience.
Greg said on 8/Dec/19
@AndrewV Alright well I’m telling you don’t know what time of day those measurements took place and sometimes ‘In shoe measurements’ could slip through the cracks because you always hear of people talking about how the doctors didn’t ask for them to take off their shoes. So you should probably take off 1-2cm from that. I have been to most of those places so Fortunately I can tell you, Christian is closer to the truth with the white male average it’s 175-176cm perhaps not 177-178. For Czech Republic it’s not really 5’11, I would say a decent 5’10, in the Netherlands though I will say the average is about 5’11 range because that’s one of the only places I felt low average but not by much. So that is what I will tell you can believe whatever you want I’m just telling you how it is.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 8/Dec/19

No, I'd say it's fairly balanced but it depends where you go. On a university campus, you're going to see a greater proportion of younger people there than if you went to a nursing home. In general, though, I'd say there's about an even amount of young-old people in Toronto, but I can't comment about other places in Canada because I've only been to Montreal only once in my life.
Sean william Winter said on 8/Dec/19
hmmm i still dream about being 2 inches taller. osteogensis.lengthen the tibia by 5 cm. as my wingspan is 6ft near enough id look sucks that there no ways to get taller in your 30s. i saw few tall guys today one was 6ft 2 other 6ft 1. i think 6ft holds up well against tall guys like 6ft 2. just that bit bigger. and id be forever satified. and no i wouldnt want more hieght. 183 184 cm evening hieght imo of course is perfect for me. tall not standout. above average. but some other person might say 6ft 5 but you know. big lewis has perfect hieght imo. 2 inch increase from 5'10 would be notictable. i was 6ft in shoes wearing big boots didnt feel much different than, in normal sneakers but once hit 6'1 in normal sneakers you are big enough . i saw a women she was close to me in size about 5'9. liek greg says hes only maybe 3/8 th inch taller than me yeh its not bad but just not quite enough.
Rossii said on 8/Dec/19
Whereabouts does the 5’11 - 6ft Range start , 181 or 182? And where does a 5’11 person start looking 6ft or 6ff1? I know some guy who is around 181.5 & looks 6ft I even guessed him at that when I first met him
Person111 said on 8/Dec/19
@khaled taban
White Canadians are no shorter than white Americans. Both are mostly of British descent. Most white guys here are 5’9-6’0 and white women 5’4-5’7, just like in the USA. And you’re arguing over centimeters. 5’10 is practically indistinguishable from 5’9.7 or 5’9.5.

@Christian - Once someone is over 5 inches away from your height, it gets harder to gauge their height accurately. I doubt you can tell the difference between 5’9 and 5’10. Just like a 5’10 guy probably wouldn’t be able to accurately guess your height. 5'9.5 is practically indistinguishable from 5’10. No one would notice if a 5’10 guy shrunk 0.5 inches or if a 5’9.5 guy grew 0.5 inch. For all intents and purposes, you’re practically admitting it’s 5’10.

@Greg - There’s really no point in arguing with you because you fail to understand you live in a short area. You can’t be taken seriously when you said most white guys are 5’7-5’9. That’s basically the average Asian American male height range. You’re basically saying white guys and asian guys are similar in height. BTW, the measurements are rounded to the nearest 0.1cm. It says here on page 2 Click Here

@Bobby - Most white people don’t have any racial admixture. Most have 2 white parents. Multi-racial people are a very small minority of the population. You can’t accurately say the average white male height in North America is under 5’10 when you don’t even live in an area where whites comprise a closer enough percentage of the population to the national average. You said your city is 20-30% white. Canada and US are around 70% white, and most North American cities are around 50% white, so you live in a city where whites are underrepresented than most.
Fisher1010 said on 7/Dec/19
Hey @rob I’m measured at 172 at my medical which is around the normal time of 11am. Would you say I’m short or mediumish range. I’m often told that I have good proportions which make me seem taller than I am and girls often think that I’m around like 5’10. Would you say my height is unattractive for girls? I’m lacking a bit of confidence right now :(
fuat123 said on 7/Dec/19
hi rob,
i measured my height last night at 00:00 and it was 171 cm. what would you say my height is? claiming 172 cm is ok? right?
Editor Rob
I think that is reasonable for you. It might be the middle value between your 7am and midnight heights.
Bego said on 7/Dec/19
@Miss Sandy Cowell Nice!
Nik Ashton said on 7/Dec/19
When I went to Asda yesterday at least half of the men seemed to be shorter than myself, ever so slightly more than half of the men may have been shorter than moi. I was a little under average compared to the younger guys and I took a few towerings from one or two of them (Like hard man Steve McFadden in a London nightclub!)! A lot of the younger guys weren’t very tall!

I mustn’t live in a tall area! This is very cool! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
Vsquad said on 6/Dec/19
Rob, how much height would you estimate the Air Max 97s give? Are they thicker than Air Force 1s?
Editor Rob
97s are in the 3.3cm range
Christian 6'5 3/8" said on 6/Dec/19
What part of the US do you live in, btw? I think you've mentioned it before, but either I must've forgotten or I misread.
pov said on 6/Dec/19

“@POV No offence mate but I’d bet you’re not even 6 and a half. You think you are but you’re not lol. Use a stadiometer and you would probably measure slightly under 6 foot, like 182.4 or something. Which is tallish/above average. How do you measure your height?”

Mate my morning height is a little over 185cm and my lowest is a little over 183cm. I am definitely 6”0.5. 184cm most of the day. Most people my height claim 6”1 and 6”2. And most people guess me at that aswell. I’m the only one I know who’s actually honest about my height lol.

Btw, Ive been measured with a stadeometer, at these heights. I have a tape measure at home. I’ve measured myself multiple times, and multiple people have measured me. My heights all correspond. It really takes a dumb ass to f**k up a height measurement.
AndrewV said on 6/Dec/19
White Americans don’t average 5’9”, they’re not descended from Southern Italians or Turks. The majority of White Americans, especially in the South and the Midwest, are of Northwestern European ancestry, specifically from the British Isles and West-Central Europe. Young men in the UK, France, Switzerland, and parts of Germany also average 5’10” so it would only make sense that White Americans are similar in height, which is what all the measured data shows.
Bobby 5ft 10in (178cm) said on 6/Dec/19

Lol, what? It's only a 1/4 difference, it's practically invisible. What are you talking about?

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