How tall is Andre The Giant

Andre The Giant's Height

7ft 0in (213 cm)

Andre Rene Roussimoff was a French Wrestler and Actor from The Princess Bride. His official site gives him 7ft 4, also shows his 'measured' height from wrestlemania 3 (1987) as a whopping 7ft 5. He suffered from acromelagy and was supposedly 6ft 7 age 17. His spine took a lot of damage over his career.

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tj said on 25/Jun/16
I met Andre in person in 1980. I am 6'8 and Andre was at least 5 inches shorter than me. He was maybe 6'1 at best. He was a tiny man.
dicksock said on 24/Jun/16
Here is an interesting video of Hogan and Studd from 1984. It's strange because Hogan looks taller than him. Maybe Studd forgot his lifts or something?
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6'2 said on 23/Jun/16
if he was billed 7'4 in the 70s he was most likely 7'2 then
The Ben said on 23/Jun/16
Some very cool height comparisons here from the legendary Mamun who used to be a regular. I miss that guy. Some interesting perspectives. Click Here
mrtguy said on 22/Jun/16
Rob, you think a guy like Kevin Garnett would edge out Big Show EASILY today??
@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 22/Jun/16
Rob, after some nice comparisons pics around here and Big Shows and Shaqs site, would you agree to Andre at his peak edging peak Big Show 0.5"-1" ?
Editor Rob: even after all 10 years of Andre, I still think at times you could make a 6ft 11, 7ft or even 7ft 1 argument.

I'm still going with around 7ft range peak.
mrtguy said on 22/Jun/16
JT said on 21/Jun/16
Capt.Nobody, Wilt’s head definitely goes up that far in the wig. Click Here Your pic has Wilt’s head at the wrong angle and too low.

Wilt’s head seems small b/c the wig is pulled down so far on his forehead. His head is probably 10.25” to 10.5” long, with the gap from the eyes up every bit as long as Andre’s. Wilt’s eye level is above Andre’s eye level even though he’s looking downward somewhat.
Click Here Given Wilt Andre’s narrower stance and level out his chin and he’s may be more than an inch taller in that pic notwithstanding Andre’s big footwear advantage and slight camera advantage.

The only reason I can think of why Arnold looks so short is b/c the camera level is really high and almost at the level of Andre’s and Wilt’s head or b/c he’s really well under ~ 6’1”.






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Click Here a comparison of Big Show and Wilt next to Conan O'brien looks no different compared with Andre and Wilt
dicksock said on 22/Jun/16
The picture of Andre and Uecker clearly shows Andre to be at least 13" taller. Uecker's listing in baseball is 6'1". Even if you downgrade him to 5'10", Andre comes out to 6'11" minimum. He was more than likely at least 7' in that shot. Is it possible that that interview was done early in the morning or early in the afternoon on the day of Wrestlemania? Andre could have easily been 7' out of bed and 6'11" by match time. Even in 1988. 6'11.5" in the morning and 6'10.5" in the evening is also possible. I highly doubt he lost more than 1" throughout the day. The average man only loses about .5" or so.
@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 22/Jun/16
JT said on 21/Jun/16
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The only reason I can think of why Arnold looks so short is b/c the camera level is really high and almost at the level of Andre’s and Wilt’s head or b/c he’s really well under ~ 6’1”.


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Arnie imo couldn´t stand any taller than in this pic, Andre with a hunched neck looks at least 12" taller. Arnie was in footwear too, so lets do some math:
Only based on Arnie, not Wilt:

Arnie 6´1" + 0.75" to 1" footwear + 12"gap = 7´1.75"-7´2" Andre in 2.25"-2.5" cowboyboots = Andre with not fully stretched neck at least 6´11.25" + posture-disadvantage = ~ 7´0"

If Andre was 6´10" standing straight at this point: 7´0.25"-7´0.5"max in cowboyboots minus posture = ~6´11.5" in cowboyboots -12" gap=
5´11.5" - Arnies footwear 0.75"-1" = Arnie 5´10.5"-5´10.75" mid eighties.

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Comparing Andre to Wilt:
I agree with the possibility of Wilt looking max ~1cm taller there w/o the wig. But Andre has worse posture regarding his neck so I doubt he would measure shorter in cowboyboots.

Wilt was solid 7´1", ~ 7´2" in footwear, Andre was the same height ~7´2" there standing military straight in 2.25"-2.5" cowboyboots Click Here
Boss said on 22/Jun/16
Andre's posture and head size is why he looks shorter than he actually was. When he stands fully straight he gains inches in height. His head is always a couple to several inches longer than the person he is being compared to. The bottom of his chin is still 12.5-13" to the top of his head.
dicksock said on 22/Jun/16
JT said on 21/Jun/16
Capt.Nobody, Wilt’s head definitely goes up that far in the wig. Click Here Your pic has Wilt’s head at the wrong angle and too low.

Wilt’s head seems small b/c the wig is pulled down so far on his forehead. His head is probably 10.25” to 10.5” long, with the gap from the eyes up every bit as long as Andre’s. Wilt’s eye level is above Andre’s eye level even though he’s looking downward somewhat.
Click Here Given Wilt Andre’s narrower stance and level out his chin and he’s may be more than an inch taller in that pic notwithstanding Andre’s big footwear advantage and slight camera advantage.

The only reason I can think of why Arnold looks so short is b/c the camera level is really high and almost at the level of Andre’s and Wilt’s head or b/c he’s really well under ~ 6’1”.

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JT, you are so full of **** it is laughable. If you honestly believe Wilt's head goes up that high, you are crazy. Also, can't you see that Andre is not standing to his full height either? His head is tilted down somewhat, and he could easily straighten his back out. Face it, Andre was 6'11-6'11.5" barefoot and 7'1-7'1.5" in cowboy boots. What about that is so hard for you to grasp?
Capt. Nobody said on 21/Jun/16
Arch Stanton said on 21/Jun/16
I seen him in the Princes Bride and I really didn't think he looked even close to 7 ft in all honestly. I could see 6 ft 10 but not 7'.

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Depending on his posture his height could vary greatly because a ton of his height is gained from his head size. He could very easily lose more than a couple of inches when hunched over. Cary Elwes even made a comment about Andre being shocked when he stood to his full height, or something to that effect. This is why it's critical to find shots of Andre standing his tallest, not slouched.

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Capt. Nobody said on 21/Jun/16
JT said on 21/Jun/16
Capt.Nobody, Wilt’s head definitely goes up that far in the wig. Click Here Your pic has Wilt’s head at the wrong angle and too low.

Wilt’s head seems small b/c the wig is pulled down so far on his forehead. His head is probably 10.25” to 10.5” long, with the gap from the eyes up every bit as long as Andre’s. Wilt’s eye level is above Andre’s eye level even though he’s looking downward somewhat.
Click Here Given Wilt Andre’s narrower stance and level out his chin and he’s may be more than an inch taller in that pic notwithstanding Andre’s big footwear advantage and slight camera advantage.

The only reason I can think of why Arnold looks so short is b/c the camera level is really high and almost at the level of Andre’s and Wilt’s head or b/c he’s really well under ~ 6’1”.

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My pic, is actually your pic brought in line horizontally. You can see that the original head you used doesn't match up with Wilt in the wig. However, the bald head at the level I brought it to scales up perfectly vertically and horizontally.

The shot is a higher angle shot so one individual being slightly in back of, or in front of won't do to much in the way increasing height. If anything the person farther back would have an advantage vertically, much like an in ring shot from the main camera at a WWF match. The color photo is interesting because it clearly shows Andre and Wilt are about as close to in line as possible so any increase or decrease height wise is not happening. Andre being wider in the body still has no effect because their shoulders show they are still relative in terms of height on either side.
Boss said on 21/Jun/16
Andre's head was defintley longer than Wilt's from the eyes up and is a couple or more inches longer in total than Wilt's. Wilt's head looks like a peanut next to Andre's.
andre said on 21/Jun/16
at his tallest he was 6ft9.5 barefoot
Arch Stanton said on 21/Jun/16
I seen him in the Princes Bride and I really didn't think he looked even close to 7 ft in all honestly. I could see 6 ft 10 but not 7'.
JT said on 21/Jun/16
Capt.Nobody, Wilt’s head definitely goes up that far in the wig. Click Here Your pic has Wilt’s head at the wrong angle and too low.

Wilt’s head seems small b/c the wig is pulled down so far on his forehead. His head is probably 10.25” to 10.5” long, with the gap from the eyes up every bit as long as Andre’s. Wilt’s eye level is above Andre’s eye level even though he’s looking downward somewhat.
Click Here Given Wilt Andre’s narrower stance and level out his chin and he’s may be more than an inch taller in that pic notwithstanding Andre’s big footwear advantage and slight camera advantage.

The only reason I can think of why Arnold looks so short is b/c the camera level is really high and almost at the level of Andre’s and Wilt’s head or b/c he’s really well under ~ 6’1”.
mrtguy said on 21/Jun/16
Big Show : Click Here
Wilt : Click Here

This is just a comparison between the two next to Conan O'Brien
mrtguy said on 21/Jun/16
Rob, who looks taller Big Show or Chamberlain in your eyes??
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Editor Rob: Chamberlain visually can look taller.
Boss said on 21/Jun/16
So Franks friend actually claims 6'2" so how tall would that make Andre? Nice work Captain on the comparisons. They are much more accurate than anything JT ever posted here. Wilt's head was way smaller than Andre's.
Gretz said on 21/Jun/16
I used to post here 10 years ago and we had a vote to get Andre listed at 7 foot even. And he even looks 7 foot in that wilt pic from 1984.They are nearly the same height yet the amazing thing is Andre is built so much different than Wilt(he is built like a guy 5'6")while Wilt is all legs.It makes Andre look much more impressive and giant like next to these guys that are mearly tall.
Gretz said on 21/Jun/16
I used to post here 10 years ago and we had a vote to get Andre listed at 7 foot even. And he even looks 7 foot in that wilt pic from 1984.They are nearly the same height yet the amazing thing is Andre is built so much different than Wilt(he is built like a guy 5'6")while Wilt is all legs.It makes Andre look much more impressive and giant like next to these guys that are mearly tall.
Frank said on 20/Jun/16
Thanks Rob for posting the Picture My friend says hes 6ft 2 but i believe 6ft 1 is more accurate He did say Andre over all wast the Biggest guy he ever seen !!!
Danimal (176-178cm) said on 20/Jun/16
6'2 said on 18/Jun/16
andre died at 6'10 and lost a considerable amount of height compared to a 1974 andre id say 3-4"' id say he was 430lbs in the late 70s and by the 90s the 540-560 mark

Imo a peak Andre was around 7'0" give or take .5" in either direction. Like Big Show, he had lost a considerable amount of height (starting in 1981 or so and steadily increasing until his death a dozen years later). I have no idea what he was down to, but a probably guess was somewhere between 6'9" and 6'10".
Capt. Nobody said on 20/Jun/16
Boss said on 20/Jun/16
The top of Andre's head is taller than Wilt's and Andre would gain more height than Wilt by lifting his head which was way bigger than Wilt's.
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I think it's time for some Shaq/Show/Wilt/Andre comparisons.
Capt. Nobody said on 20/Jun/16
JT said on 19/Jun/16
Here’s the color photo of the black and white where Andre was standing tallest Click Here

Here’s about where wilt’s head is under the wig Click Here
Click Here Wilt’s still taller despite the slight camera disadvantage, big footwear disadvantage and his looking down a bit.


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Sweet find on the color shot! But, you have Wilt with short hair coming up to the top of the wig again. There is no way that Wilts head was that close to Andre's proportionally. And if so, how long was Wilt Chamberlains head in your opinion then?

Once again, here is the earlier fix using your own shot illustrating how in order for Wilt's head to that high you have to ignore relative scale.

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The taller head doesn't match from the top of the nose to the bottom lip.
Capt. Nobody said on 20/Jun/16
Chaz said on 19/Jun/16
the 7 foot Andre boys can dream on,that Letterman Show proves to have a 7' Andre you need a 7'3.5-4'' Kiel not only are they next to the same host but the same desk,look how much more height Kiel has over the desk? and even worse Andre is in much much thicker heels and still 3'' shorter lol lets see Boss and Capt talk there way out of that,

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I was prepared to talk more about the boot heel, but I guess the subject has changed huh?

Anyway, we'll go ahead and talk about Kiel and Andre then. I see someone posted the full interview of Kiel on Letterman. Nice find JT.

I think there are much better images to compare and contrast from the Letterman appearances of both however. The results are interesting to say the least. This first shot was hard to find a proper comparison for but what the heck. It's still interesting.


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Now, for the most intriguing find. On the next two shots the "NO SMOKING" sign and the metal part attached to the wall underneath it are the reference point for scaling.


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This next one shows that they match up right in line.


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I also checked to make sure the sign and the metal part underneath it scaled up in both long shots when both Andre and Kiel made it up onto the stage and they did, so they appear to have been in the same place for both interviews.

Now, with that said, I can say that these interviews are very hard to make an exact judgement on depending on the shot because the camera angles are slightly different. On the shot used earlier by JT, since it was a close shot any difference in the angle, or distance, would be huge when using an object in the background as a reference point.

Also there were almost no shots of Kiel or Andre standing their tallest without leaning or something equally as obstructive. The shot of both Andre and Kiel coming in next to the "NO SMOKING" sign is as close to a proper comparison as it gets though because they are at pretty much the same exact position relative to the wall to their left. Andre's camera Angle is a little higher, but that should be a negative for him because that should make the sign appear higher relative to Andre than it would if it were a flatter shot. However, the shot is from a fair distance so distortion would be more limited than on a close shot.

The other challenge is that the Andre interview is such low quality and grainy that making an exact estimate would be difficult. Still, this clearly shows Andre in cowboy boots is right around Kiel in these comparisons.

So.... back to the boot heel anyone?
Slon said on 20/Jun/16
Rob, you believe prime Big Show was close or as tall as Chamberlain??
Editor Rob: I have my doubts
Iconjj said on 20/Jun/16
Be interesting to put this photo of 6'1 guy with the pic of Chris from Andres facebook page that he had took with Big Show...
Boss said on 20/Jun/16
The top of Andre's head is taller than Wilt's and Andre would gain more height than Wilt by lifting his head which was way bigger than Wilt's.
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@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 20/Jun/16
Editor Rob said on 20/Jun/16
Frank sent this photo of a 6ft 1 friend with andre in the 70's:
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Great Pic,
If this guy is legit 6´1", he would be 6´2" in footwear and Andre in his thin soled wrestling shoes gains only few mm.
the guy barely reaches Andres mouth, so flat or near 7ft is what Andre looks there
Editor Rob said on 20/Jun/16
Frank sent this photo of a 6ft 1 friend with andre in the 70's:
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Boss said on 19/Jun/16
I post a pic of Andrés boots being measured and people here still deny it. It's a joke. Everything that I post I back up and I have more knowledge on Andre than anyone here. Anyone who actually believes the stuff that come from some posters here over the overwhelming evidence of a 7' Andre peak then go ahead. Rob raised his height to 7' because of everything that was brought to this site. Why is Andre not listed as 6'10" peak if you know all because you don't know anything but what you read in your Meltzer newsletter you pay for every week. Add the money you spent on his books and now you can't even have an unbiased opinion on Andre or you were ripped off your money by what you thought was inside information LOL.
JT said on 19/Jun/16
Here’s the color photo of the black and white where Andre was standing tallest Click Here

Here’s about where wilt’s head is under the wig Click Here
Click Here Wilt’s still taller despite the slight camera disadvantage, big footwear disadvantage and his looking down a bit.
Boss said on 19/Jun/16
You are welcome @ Me.
Boss said on 19/Jun/16
Here Andre has 6" on Hogan and Andre could still gain height by lifting his head up. Hogan has a 1" footwear advantage over Andre here. Hogan gets a 6'6" peak listing here and even a 6'5" Hogan with his 1" footwear advantage would equal a 7' Andre and considering Andre could still stand taller.
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Andre will lose 2" in height just by have his massive head tilted down. So if you can't see his neck then he would be 2" taller when you can see his full neck.
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Andre's height loss was apparent and has been stated by many. He lost at least 2" or more through his condition, surgeries and posture. At no time did he ever appear under 6'10".
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Andre's head was least 12.5" long and comes out 13" range in all these comparisons.
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A peak Andre woke up at 7'1" range and went to bed 6'11" range which is an average of 7'. Andre could stand at least 1" or more taller here by lifting his head and closing his legs. His posture wasn't good by this point of his career.
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Chaz said on 19/Jun/16
the 7 foot Andre boys can dream on,that Letterman Show proves to have a 7' Andre you need a 7'3.5-4'' Kiel not only are they next to the same host but the same desk,look how much more height Kiel has over the desk? and even worse Andre is in much much thicker heels and still 3'' shorter lol lets see Boss and Capt talk there way out of that,
Me said on 18/Jun/16
Boss said on 17/Jun/16
Here a prime Andre and Wilt comparison. Andre always looks 7' range with Wilt Chamberlain.


Andre has a head size on 6'1.5" who is 6'2"-6'2.5" in his boots and has better posture than Andre. If Andre straightens up he would be taller again. So Andre has 12-13" on Arnold with worse posture.



Andre has 2" boots and Arnold around 1" boots. So even by going with 2.5" boots vs Arnold's 1" then Andre would have 1.5" advantage. Then assuming his head is only 12" it's actually more but let's go with 12". That would mean with worse posture Andre is still 10.5" taller barefoot than 6'1.5" Arnold so 7' for Andre. Wilt was measured 7'1 daytime by a doctor with real measuring tools rather than the 7'0.5" night measurement which was done with 2 measuring tapes and Rob has stated would probably not be as accurate. Which would make Wilt 1" taller than Andre all factors considered in 1984 which was past Andre's peak at least posture wise.

What more can someone say. This is perfect even with Boss using a smaller size head for Andre he still comes out at 7' barefoot. Thanks Boss.
Boss said on 18/Jun/16
Here Ernie Ladd states he was measured at 6'9 3/4" young.
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Ernie Ladd shoot interview on Andre.
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Meltzer also said Ladd was 6'9 1/2" and that Ladd and Andre were the same height which Ladd shoots down right away.
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Ladd was every bit of 6'9" peak.
6'2 said on 18/Jun/16
andre died at 6'10 and lost a considerable amount of height compared to a 1974 andre id say 3-4"' id say he was 430lbs in the late 70s and by the 90s the 540-560 mark
JT said on 18/Jun/16
Click Here Tenta's leaning in but Baba should be at least an inch taller.

Andre’s appearance on Letterman was within a few months of the photos with Wilt. He’s wearing dark brown boots in both so they may be the same footwear.
The heel under the pivot point is really big – easily 2.5” or more considering how large the overall boot is Click Here If he knew he’d be around Wilt there’s no reason why he wouldn’t choose these boots
Capt. Nobody said on 17/Jun/16
Chaz said on 15/Jun/16
Capt. Nobody said on 14/Jun/16

The boots he had on with Wilt were fairly modest. In fact, the angle upward is almost identical to the 2 inch heel boots Boss posted.

tinypic.com/r/2j4vjv8/9

The red line follows the underside of the boot in the Wilt shot.

Stop talking rubish look how thick the front sole is? are you trying to say a size 18 hand made boot only has a 2'' heel? it would be out of proportion, look at the woman holding the other one's she could get 4 fingers along the heel that is 3'' at least..

He's in at least 2'5'' heels side on and nera the camara and still 1/2'' shorter than the 7.5'' Wilt.


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You tell me, there's a freaking picture of it being measured but lets just forget that too huh? haha.

JT said that Andre wore thicker boots than the ones being measured, when matched up the lift of either boot in roughly the same position comes out almost identical so it's unlikely the boots with Wilt would give much more height than the ones measured.

As for the measurement of the boots, they look around the 2 inch mark next to the tape and at the mid point of the boot, where you get your height boost from, they look no more than 2 inches from the angle shown. Most likely a little less as Boss suggested. And you don't get height from the thickness of the front of a boot so it's all relative. As you can see the toes in the Wilt shot are up a bit, which has no effect on height.

The original link didn't work so here's another try:

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Boss said on 17/Jun/16
Here a prime Andre and Wilt comparison. Andre always looks 7' range with Wilt Chamberlain.
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Andre has a head size on 6'1.5" who is 6'2"-6'2.5" in his boots and has better posture than Andre. If Andre straightens up he would be taller again. So Andre has 12-13" on Arnold with worse posture.
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Andre has 2" boots and Arnold around 1" boots. So even by going with 2.5" boots vs Arnold's 1" then Andre would have 1.5" advantage. Then assuming his head is only 12" it's actually more but let's go with 12". That would mean with worse posture Andre is still 10.5" taller barefoot than 6'1.5" Arnold so 7' for Andre. Wilt was measured 7'1 daytime by a doctor with real measuring tools rather than the 7'0.5" night measurement which was done with 2 measuring tapes and Rob has stated would probably not be as accurate. Which would make Wilt 1" taller than Andre all factors considered in 1984 which was past Andre's peak at least posture wise.
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Kunoichi said on 17/Jun/16
Baba became a professional baseball player in 1955. His height was 192cm at that time.
Baba had surgery of the brain tumor removed in 1957.Baba was listed his height at 200cm in 1959,he is the tallest still as a Japanese professional baseball player.
When Baba was once the expedition to the United States, he had said Ernie Ladd's eye level was taller than Baba's eye level.
Baba has claimed his regit height at 209cm from 202cm,.
Touluca said on 16/Jun/16
I used to meet Andre after shows here in LA back in the late 70s/early 80s. He was 6ft 10 in.

Definitely not 7 foot tall
ohmike said on 16/Jun/16
How high is the 3 rd rope of a wwe/wwf Ring?
@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 16/Jun/16
Dub said on 14/Jun/16
Tyler Mane looks 6ft 7 inch max with Ali Baba.
Giant Baba was listed 200cm in pro-baseball so his true height was nowhere near 6ft 9 in
Ernie Ladd was described as standing 6ft 6 in tall by Ben Davidson
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Mane was to close to peak Nash to be only 6´7" 20+years ago.
Ben Davidson said "Ladd was 6´6" or so", not an exact estimation. Ladd looked solid 6´7" pretty often.

Baba at his peak was way taller than 200cm. Second tallest guy is Anton Geesink who´s normally listed at 6´6" and noway under 6´5" flat legit.
Baba had 3 inches on him.
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Baba had 3inches on also 6´5"range peak Hogan
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Baba was about 6´8.5"peak and up to an inch shorter in 1992 when facing Tyler Mane
Boss said on 16/Jun/16
Giant Baba was 6'8.5" peak. He got the 6'6" listing in baseball at age 17 so he was still growing. Ernie Ladd was taller then 6'8" Ben Davidson so maybe he was jealous of Ladd being taller .
Boss said on 16/Jun/16
It's 2 " plain and simple . They are measured right before our eyes. Just because his boots are much bigger looking doesn't mean the heel is any taller. They do look alot the boots he was wearing with Wilt.
Capt. Nobody said on 16/Jun/16
Dub said on 14/Jun/16
Tyler Mane looks 6ft 7 inch max with Ali Baba.
Giant Baba was listed 200cm in pro-baseball so his true height was nowhere near 6ft 9 in
Ernie Ladd was described as standing 6ft 6 in tall by Ben Davidson

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How tall is Raja Lion, real name Muhammad Riaz? thetallestman.com has him listed at 7'3". There is no way Baba is 8 inches or more shorter than him.



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Chaz said on 15/Jun/16
Capt. Nobody said on 14/Jun/16

The boots he had on with Wilt were fairly modest. In fact, the angle upward is almost identical to the 2 inch heel boots Boss posted.

tinypic.com/r/2j4vjv8/9

The red line follows the underside of the boot in the Wilt shot.

Stop talking rubish look how thick the front sole is? are you trying to say a size 18 hand made boot only has a 2'' heel? it would be out of proportion, look at the woman holding the other one's she could get 4 fingers along the heel that is 3'' at least..

He's in at least 2'5'' heels side on and nera the camara and still 1/2'' shorter than the 7.5'' Wilt.
Capt. Nobody said on 14/Jun/16
JT said on 13/Jun/16
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Boss said on 7/Jun/16
Andre has a 2" heel on his cowboy boots which give him a 1.8" height boost. So 1 3/4" for Andre in cowboy boots.

Assuming those are Andre’s boots, those aren’t the ones he wore with Wilt or almost everywhere else from the late 1970s forward. His usual boots had a larger heel Click Here Click Here

Bill Russell would have measured up well with Andre when he was not in his cowboy boots Click Here


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The boots he had on with Wilt were fairly modest. In fact, the angle upward is almost identical to the 2 inch heel boots Boss posted.

tinypic.com/r/2j4vjv8/9

The red line follows the underside of the boot in the Wilt shot.
Dub said on 14/Jun/16
Tyler Mane looks 6ft 7 inch max with Ali Baba.
Giant Baba was listed 200cm in pro-baseball so his true height was nowhere near 6ft 9 in
Ernie Ladd was described as standing 6ft 6 in tall by Ben Davidson
Chaz said on 14/Jun/16
JT said on 13/Jun/16
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Boss said on 7/Jun/16
Andre has a 2" heel on his cowboy boots which give him a 1.8" height boost. So 1 3/4" for Andre in cowboy boots.

Assuming those are Andre’s boots, those aren’t the ones he wore with Wilt or almost everywhere else from the late 1970s forward. His usual boots had a larger heel Click Here Click Here


2 '' lol look at the size of the heel on those brown and tan boots,she has got 2 fingers on the heels and still room for 2 more fingers

and I have been saying it for years Andre was never within 3'' of kiel's height at any age,anyone that thinks so needs help in the head,
JT said on 13/Jun/16
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Boss said on 7/Jun/16
Andre has a 2" heel on his cowboy boots which give him a 1.8" height boost. So 1 3/4" for Andre in cowboy boots.

Assuming those are Andre’s boots, those aren’t the ones he wore with Wilt or almost everywhere else from the late 1970s forward. His usual boots had a larger heel Click Here Click Here

Bill Russell would have measured up well with Andre when he was not in his cowboy boots Click Here
Sam said on 13/Jun/16
Rewatched The Princess Bride for the first time in years and noticed how hunched he could look, even not standing out as much as you'd expect from a giant in crowd scenes between his spine and terrain. His size really stands out when he straightens up next to another actor between his massive hands and head, which appears nearly twice that of Cary Elwes.
@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 10/Jun/16
Boss said on 9/Jun/16
Here are Andre's boot heels being measured by an actual measuring tape. Looks like a 2" heel to me which give a 1.8" height boost.
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To me it looks like 2.5" at the back of the heel, wich results in more than 2" boost, with normal insoles 2.25".
I´m pretty sure the 2,18m Andre told his family members was his height in this big cowboyboots.
straightahead said on 10/Jun/16
@me said on 8/Jun/16
Giant Baba is COMPARABLE in height to Bill Russell. I never said they were the exact same height. Tyler Mane 6'9" an old bent knee Andre had 2.5-3" on. Baba who was truly somewhere between 6'8.5" & 6'9" was basically the same in height as Mane when they wrestled, Russell has listings of 6'9" & 10". When you see Andre in the ring with 6'9" people like Mane/Baba/Ladd the height difference is obvious . There is no way Andre could possibly have a PEAK height under 7' when he had a few inches on known 6'9" people when he was at the end of his life all bent knee and broken down.

Baba was more like 6'7 and Tyler Mane 6'7 1/2 - 6'8, but i agree with you - Andre had atleast 2 inches on Mane kinda late in his career, and thats with Mane having a foowear advantage, so Andre was a solid 6'10 at that time. Peak of 7ft is fully possible.
Boss said on 9/Jun/16
Here are Andre's boot heels being measured by an actual measuring tape. Looks like a 2" heel to me which give a 1.8" height boost.
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Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 9/Jun/16
I imagine in some wrestling boots he could get up to 7ft3 range.
Chaz said on 9/Jun/16
Boss said on 7/Jun/16
Andre has a 2" heel on his cowboy boots which give him a 1.8" height boost. So 1 3/4" for Andre in cowboy boots.

they are at least 2'5'' my size 12 have 2.25'' heel and that is without the inside I am allmost 6'1'' in them 5'10.5'' barefoot,I only got them because my ex was 5'9'' 6' in heels.and she did not like looking taller than me.
Capt. Nobody said on 9/Jun/16
Speaking of "shrinkage", man that sounds a bit wrong, but anyway, here's a shot that illustrates the massive difference with Andre's height depending on his posture.


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Andre could easily lose a few inches when hunched. This is why finding as many shots of him standing as upright as possible is critical to finding anything reliable.



Andre with his head up has a good bit more than a head size on Uecker


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@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 9/Jun/16
Rob, wich range do you think is right (right out of bed to late evening) for peak Andre?
I assume a 1.75" shrinkage


a) 7´0.75" - 6´11"
b) 7´0.25"- 6´10.5"
c) 6´11.5"-6´9.75"
d) 7´1.75"-7´0"
Editor Rob: between a or d
@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 9/Jun/16
Boss said on 7/Jun/16
Andre has a 2" heel on his cowboy boots which give him a 1.8" height boost. So 1 3/4" for Andre in cowboy boots.


Naaah, I have cowboyboots that give 1 3/4, Andres heel is clearly bigger. I don´t think they give under 2.25" but no more than 2.5".
me said on 8/Jun/16
Giant Baba is COMPARABLE in height to Bill Russell. I never said they were the exact same height. Tyler Mane 6'9" an old bent knee Andre had 2.5-3" on. Baba who was truly somewhere between 6'8.5" & 6'9" was basically the same in height as Mane when they wrestled, Russell has listings of 6'9" & 10". When you see Andre in the ring with 6'9" people like Mane/Baba/Ladd the height difference is obvious . There is no way Andre could possibly have a PEAK height under 7' when he had a few inches on known 6'9" people when he was at the end of his life all bent knee and broken down.
Boss said on 7/Jun/16
Andre has a 2" heel on his cowboy boots which give him a 1.8" height boost. So 1 3/4" for Andre in cowboy boots.
Chaz said on 7/Jun/16
me said on 6/Jun/16
Claiming Andre as 6'10" means that he would be comparable height to Bill Russell. Now that is rubbish. Look at Russell/Wilt and Andre/Wilt photos it is impossible for Andre to be 6'10" or 11" peak height. Even at the end of his career with Giant Baba, who is comparable in height with Russell, Andre has a few inches on him. Just like Big Show Andre will be remembered for his girth/overall size more than his height.

Lol so Giant Baba was nere 6'10'' now
Danimal (176-178cm) said on 6/Jun/16
Boss said on 26/May/16
@ JT what have you disproven here. Look at the top of the page it says Andre the Giant's height is 7ft 0in 213cm and with proof was raised to this number despite your constant Andre bashing.

He's been on here daily for over 11 years. It's not going to change. It's an obsession. Just move on as I've done.
@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 6/Jun/16
JT said on 4/Jun/16
Andre’s in cowboy boots in that wedding pic with Hogan...

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Whatever Andre had on his feet, Hogans footwear wasn´t much less.
Its still the same gap as here with Hogan in thicker wrestlingboots
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It would be very nice to have clear footwear pics of Hogans wedding because it´s not possible that Andre had a noticable footwear advantage there:


Rare pretty much same angle pics:
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Andre for sure was in his 6cm Big boots next to Wilt and Arnie, if Andre had the same big heel at the wedding, Hogan comes out legit 6´6.25" and Inoki at 6´3".

The only reasonable explanation is that Andre was in comparable footwear to Hogan and Inoki Click Here

Inoki must have been very close to 6´2" or he was in lifts because Hogan struggles to look much more than 3" taller.

I say in the wedding pic it looks like

Andre 2,11m
Hogan 1,96m
Inoki 1,88m
me said on 6/Jun/16
Claiming Andre as 6'10" means that he would be comparable height to Bill Russell. Now that is rubbish. Look at Russell/Wilt and Andre/Wilt photos it is impossible for Andre to be 6'10" or 11" peak height. Even at the end of his career with Giant Baba, who is comparable in height with Russell, Andre has a few inches on him. Just like Big Show Andre will be remembered for his girth/overall size more than his height.
Capt. Nobody said on 5/Jun/16
JT said on 4/Jun/16


Capt.Nobody, there isn’t one pic of Andre and Wilt together where both have their heads up (except reportedly in the photo seen by poster Frank when both were in street clothes and Wilt appeared several inches taller) Regardless Wilt is TALLER than Andre in every pic except the outdoor one where Andre is significantly closer to the camera. There also isn’t a good full body pic of Shaq and Wilt either, not even this one Click Here

You really think Andre w/o custom made cowboy boots was within three inches of Shaq, let alone the same height or only one inch shorter? Impossible
Click Here Hogan in cowboy boots
Click Here Hogan in basketball shoes, Shaq in sandals
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The shot I just posted that you did which I brought into scale shows that Andre was slightly taller with both in more of a relaxed posture. Yes, Andre had a heel advantage. But how much? My question is how much lift are they giving him in your opinion?

Another viable question would be who exactly would benefit more from having their head up. I think we've already seen some evidence by both Icon and Boss that might tilt towards Andre winning that battle.

If Big Show was within 3 inches of Shaq, then Andre was as well. Hey, I told you I saw an interview where Shaq described meeting Andre in an airport, maybe he met Kiel instead? Maybe Andre was wearing his cowboy boots? But then again, they'd have to give him what, like 3+ inches of lift to be anywhere close right?

Wilt is taller than Shaq, Andre was technically taller than Wilt in 2 of the shots. So.... how much lift? I personally have no idea, I'm just interested to see what everyone thinks because that's also one of the only things that can potentially be verified with some degree of certainty.
Capt. Nobody said on 5/Jun/16
straightahead said on 3/Jun/16
@Boss said on 27/May/16
Here is OMG and John Tenta. Tenta has camera advantage as it's a low camera angle and he is slightly closer which will make Tenta appear slightly taller than he actually is. OMG is 6'6" range peak whether it's from boots or lifts or genentics this is what he appears in his prime.
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Omg was always several inches taller than 6'3" King Kong Bundy and a couple inches taller than 6'4" Slick peak and 6'4" Boss Man Click Here
. There are pics now where he is shorter than Slick so he lost height. Ottoman was probably wearing lifts or tip toeing it with OMG peak but they may be close to same height now. Ottoman looked taller than Edge who is 6'4" range in a recent episode of Edge and Christian's show so it's hard to peg his actual height.
Captain is very knowledgeable and he is right in this argument. OMG at 6'3" peak is ridiculous.
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Except Bossman was nothing more than 6'3 if even that, i would go 6'2 1/2 for him (he didnt have a full 1 inch on Sting, and he was edged out by Rock). Do you have a link to that episode of Edge and Christian where Ottman looked taller? thats maybe worth looking closer at, how much taller. Because Edge isnt more than 6'2 range today, since he looked to be a solid 3 inch shorter than Swagger and Barrett.

So now we should accept 6'6 peak for OMG "even if he ha lifts"? seriously? truth is, we have to face the fact that our childhood heroes maybe werent as tall we wanted them to be, yes 6'3 for OMG does sounds ridiulous iknow but its not impossible, after all Tenta has been listed as short as 6'4 and Ottman has been listed 6'3 (but yes, they looks taller)
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Yes, you can accept the hypothetical lifts if he's being used mostly as a measure of comparison, as he is on the ANDRE board. Lifts are always a questionable part of the discussion because unless he comes out and directly says anything about the possibility then it's all just assumption anyway.

OMG is still around, maybe someone should try and get a hold of him and ask.
Iconjj said on 5/Jun/16
ANDRE its nice to know you have all the answers, what would we do without you and Meltzer to guide us in our lives. Meltzer also gave us the 6'11.5 measurement as well. I don't think Andre was under 6'10. Wwf may have inflated his height by as much as 6 inches which explains the 6'10-7'4 and later the 7'4 .5 and 7'5 billings (6'10.5 and 6'11 respectively)
Iconjj said on 5/Jun/16
ANDRE its nice to know you have all the answers, what would we do without you and Meltzer to guide us in our lives. Meltzer also gave us the 6'11.5 measurement as well. I don't think Andre was under 6'10. Wwf may have inflated his heoght by as
andre said on 4/Jun/16
Hogan was 6ft4.5 barefoot peak and andre was 6ft9.7 peak barefoot height

time to change andre the giant height there is now way he ever was 7ft
JT said on 4/Jun/16
Andre’s in cowboy boots in that wedding pic with Hogan Click Here and closer to the camera in the pic from Japan Click Here
Click Here Inoki’s maybe 6’1” and Rob has Van Dyke at 6’.5” and Fallon at 5’11.5”.

Capt.Nobody, there isn’t one pic of Andre and Wilt together where both have their heads up (except reportedly in the photo seen by poster Frank when both were in street clothes and Wilt appeared several inches taller) Regardless Wilt is TALLER than Andre in every pic except the outdoor one where Andre is significantly closer to the camera. There also isn’t a good full body pic of Shaq and Wilt either, not even this one Click Here

You really think Andre w/o custom made cowboy boots was within three inches of Shaq, let alone the same height or only one inch shorter? Impossible
Click Here Hogan in cowboy boots
Click Here Hogan in basketball shoes, Shaq in sandals
Click Here
Click Here
Chaz said on 4/Jun/16
@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 3/Jun/16
Assuming peak Hogan and Barkley were the same height 6´5"-6´5.5"

Please stop with the rubish,look how far Hogan and Inoki come up Andre's face? for Andre to be 7'' Hogan should be under the Nose,and Inoki just over the chin,unless Hogan was around 6'7.5'' and Inoki around 6'4'' you can forget anything over 6'10''.
@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 3/Jun/16
Assuming peak Hogan and Barkley were the same height 6´5"-6´5.5"

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Andre comes out closer to Shaq than Big Show did today. Shaq looks about 1.5" taller,
so Andre was 6´11.25"-6´11.5" there wich makes him over 7ft measuring right out of bed.

Andre had no footwear advantage over Hogan there,
because with Andre in cowboyboots there was a much bigger gap Click Here
straightahead said on 3/Jun/16
@Boss said on 27/May/16
Here is OMG and John Tenta. Tenta has camera advantage as it's a low camera angle and he is slightly closer which will make Tenta appear slightly taller than he actually is. OMG is 6'6" range peak whether it's from boots or lifts or genentics this is what he appears in his prime.
Click Here
Omg was always several inches taller than 6'3" King Kong Bundy and a couple inches taller than 6'4" Slick peak and 6'4" Boss Man Click Here
. There are pics now where he is shorter than Slick so he lost height. Ottoman was probably wearing lifts or tip toeing it with OMG peak but they may be close to same height now. Ottoman looked taller than Edge who is 6'4" range in a recent episode of Edge and Christian's show so it's hard to peg his actual height.
Captain is very knowledgeable and he is right in this argument. OMG at 6'3" peak is ridiculous.
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Except Bossman was nothing more than 6'3 if even that, i would go 6'2 1/2 for him (he didnt have a full 1 inch on Sting, and he was edged out by Rock). Do you have a link to that episode of Edge and Christian where Ottman looked taller? thats maybe worth looking closer at, how much taller. Because Edge isnt more than 6'2 range today, since he looked to be a solid 3 inch shorter than Swagger and Barrett.

So now we should accept 6'6 peak for OMG "even if he ha lifts"? seriously? truth is, we have to face the fact that our childhood heroes maybe werent as tall we wanted them to be, yes 6'3 for OMG does sounds ridiulous iknow but its not impossible, after all Tenta has been listed as short as 6'4 and Ottman has been listed 6'3 (but yes, they looks taller)
Boss said on 3/Jun/16
Truth is Andre stacked up to Wilt better than Shaq did. Andre had around 3/4" - 1" footware advantage on Wilt who had heels on his boots as well and was wearing a big wig which makes his head look bigger than it actually is. Andre had worse posture than Wilt and was past his peak. Shaq has around .5" footware advantage over an older Wilt but looks an inch shorter than Wilt. Big Show is 2" shorter than Shaq.
Chaz said on 3/Jun/16
I think with all this new evidence.of around a 10'' hand and 12'' face the best height would be morning 6'11'' and an evening 6'10'',so he's avarage height should be listed as 6'10.5'' .
Chaz said on 3/Jun/16
Click Here that is were you measure from that first thick crease,that is just at the palm,some hands have 3-4 on the wrist.not them.
Capt. Nobody said on 2/Jun/16
Iconjj said on 1/Jun/16
I'm no expert on hand creases Chaz but the way I measured it looked to me like would make his head 12" or slighly over....absolutely not 13...I don't think Andre ever hit 7'. I think it was between 6'10-6.11.

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It's possible. Although a defined head length goes a long way to determining as close to for sure as it gets. Here is the thing though, if Andre was never 7 feet tall, neither was Big Show. Obviously he's most likely not these days from the looks of his last staredown with Shaq, but peak height is still the question.
Capt. Nobody said on 2/Jun/16
JT said on 31/May/16


Boss said on 26/May/16
@ JT what have you disproven here. Look at the top of the page it says Andre the Giant's height is 7ft 0in 213cm and with proof was raised to this number despite your constant Andre bashing.

of course, and Rob had Leonid Stadnyk at 8'5" even though he was almost a foot shorter and Charles Barkley at 6'4.75"
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OK, once again, it all goes back to the evidence we have. Or it should at least. Walk it back down the line then I will ask you a question I hope you decide to answer. Here it goes.


Here are Barkley and Shaq:


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Here are Wilt and Shaq:


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Now Wilt and Andre:


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Now, how much lift are Andre's boots in the shot with Wilt giving him again?
Khalid said on 2/Jun/16
Click Here courtesy of iconjj
Capt. Nobody said on 2/Jun/16
JT said on 31/May/16
Iconjj said on 27/May/16
The hands are 10", maybe a smidgen over. CHRIS sent me a pic with a ruler measurement from the magazine and did a hand comparison and it matches up to the print he did a comparison with in the photo below. Not 11, not 9.75, ten. Ten. TEN.

It would be helpful to post the pic so we can see where the “starting point” is on the wrist. Regardless, Andre’s head length still comes out less than 12 inches assuming his hand is 10 inches long. Click Here It’s roughly a normal 4.5” or so from the eyes up and an abnormally long 7 inches from the eyes down to the bottom of the chin.

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Likewise, you are assuming that Andre's hand is perfectly in line with his face in that shot. Very unlikely. Here's a shot I did earlier that shows how just a slight bit of movement of the fingers can change the length of the hand significantly.

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You'd be better off finding out how long Genes head is.

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Boss said on 2/Jun/16
How can Andre's head be 11.5" and JT has Big Show's head at 12" when we know Andre's head was longer and larger. That would make Andre's head only 1" longer than Hogan's which was not the case more like 2.5" longer than Hulk. Andre's head was in the 13" range.
Boss said on 2/Jun/16
Charles Barkley is a rare case and he usually comes out looking 6'6-7" range. He is 6'8" in his mugshot which are taken barefoot but take off an inch for being in front and he is 6'7".
Iconjj said on 1/Jun/16
I'm no expert on hand creases Chaz but the way I measured it looked to me like would make his head 12" or slighly over....absolutely not 13...I don't think Andre ever hit 7'. I think it was between 6'10-6.11.
Chaz said on 1/Jun/16
@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 31/May/16

It also fits with the 24" cast, 10" or a tad taller - definitly not 27cm, but if they did a generous measurement, near 27cm isn´t out of this world,
just a definition question where to start with the measurement at the wrist-hand-crossover.

I go with 10" so far.

Look at the palm of your hand? now bend it at the wrist forward see the creases? it's the first full one nerest the palm you measure from, to the tip of the longest finger,get it wrong you are adding .5-1'' more.
JT said on 31/May/16
Iconjj said on 27/May/16
The hands are 10", maybe a smidgen over. CHRIS sent me a pic with a ruler measurement from the magazine and did a hand comparison and it matches up to the print he did a comparison with in the photo below. Not 11, not 9.75, ten. Ten. TEN.

It would be helpful to post the pic so we can see where the “starting point” is on the wrist. Regardless, Andre’s head length still comes out less than 12 inches assuming his hand is 10 inches long. Click Here It’s roughly a normal 4.5” or so from the eyes up and an abnormally long 7 inches from the eyes down to the bottom of the chin.

Boss said on 26/May/16
@ JT what have you disproven here. Look at the top of the page it says Andre the Giant's height is 7ft 0in 213cm and with proof was raised to this number despite your constant Andre bashing.

of course, and Rob had Leonid Stadnyk at 8'5" even though he was almost a foot shorter and Charles Barkley at 6'4.75"
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Click Here (Hogan in cowboy boots)
@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 31/May/16
Iconjj said on 27/May/16
The hands are 10", maybe a smidgen over. CHRIS sent me a pic with a ruler measurement from the magazine and did a hand comparison and it matches up to the print he did a comparison with in the photo below. Not 11, not 9.75, ten. Ten. TEN.



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It also fits with the 24" cast, 10" or a tad taller - definitly not 27cm, but if they did a generous measurement, near 27cm isn´t out of this world,
just a definition question where to start with the measurement at the wrist-hand-crossover.

I go with 10" so far
Boss said on 30/May/16
A past peak Andre barefoot with a peak Bret Hart in sneakers. Hart has better posture than Andre. With Nash Bret is no more than 6' on sneakers.
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Here Red takes out Nash's footware advantage.
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Boss said on 30/May/16
The museum curator where Andre's hand molds are on display said he measured then at 10.5" which is exactly the same as the 27cm measurement from the Japan Magazine.
Chaz said on 30/May/16
conjj said on 27/May/16
The hands are 10", maybe a smidgen over. CHRIS sent me a pic with a ruler measurement from the magazine and did a hand comparison and it matches up to the print he did a comparison with in the photo below. Not 11, not 9.75, ten. Ten. TEN.

Show us the photo because for it to count you have to measure from the 3rd crease palm up on the wrist,right next to the palm not the other two that are on the wrist,about .5'' down.
Singer5 said on 30/May/16
Perhaps the hands measured close to 10 inches with that Japanese wrestling mag and what year was that? keep in mind, people with acromegaly
Can have excessive growth of the hands, feet and head. Especially if the condition was never treated as was with Andre.
Furthermore, I would like to see a relevant measurement closer to the end of his life, maybe around 1992 if possible.
Iconjj said on 27/May/16
The hands are 10", maybe a smidgen over. CHRIS sent me a pic with a ruler measurement from the magazine and did a hand comparison and it matches up to the print he did a comparison with in the photo below. Not 11, not 9.75, ten. Ten. TEN.
Boss said on 27/May/16
Here Andre and Big Show.
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Boss said on 27/May/16
Here is OMG and John Tenta. Tenta has camera advantage as it's a low camera angle and he is slightly closer which will make Tenta appear slightly taller than he actually is. OMG is 6'6" range peak whether it's from boots or lifts or genentics this is what he appears in his prime.
Click Here
Omg was always several inches taller than 6'3" King Kong Bundy and a couple inches taller than 6'4" Slick peak and 6'4" Boss Man Click Here
. There are pics now where he is shorter than Slick so he lost height. Ottoman was probably wearing lifts or tip toeing it with OMG peak but they may be close to same height now. Ottoman looked taller than Edge who is 6'4" range in a recent episode of Edge and Christian's show so it's hard to peg his actual height.
Captain is very knowledgeable and he is right in this argument. OMG at 6'3" peak is ridiculous.
Capt. Nobody said on 27/May/16
straightahead said on 26/May/16
@Capt. Nobody said on 17/May/16
Neither are basketball players, so what? Doesn't bother me in the least but what does bother me is someone shaping up their own numbers and reducing everything else around with a few exceptions in order to meet some preconceived criteria.

Andre has 7'4" listings. So...

What you are saying is OMG was somewhere in the 6'2" range. Interesting statement. He may have been for all I know, I never measured the guy, but if he starts ticking down, fine, so does everyone else. Not just Andre.


Dont you dare put this on me, i only told you what the pictures showed. You on the other hand has a alot of explanation to do if you believe OMG was as tall as 6'6. So where do YOU put him, Tenta, and Ottman?

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Put this one you? You were the first person that I have ever seen put OMG in that range. You said it. How could someone NOT put it on you? Like I said, if the Gang wore lifts than maybe he was 6'2", I don't know. If he wore those same lifts next to Tenta, Show, and Andre in the end it really doesn't matter I guess. All things are equal in the comparison then.

I don't like to make many generalized numerical height estimates because I just don't know, and each situation in a given photo or video is different. My time on this board has mostly been about pointing out flaws in scale comparison, which is the only thing that can be proven to any real extent half the time.

Around these parts it seems to be consensus that Tenta's listing in Japan at around 6'6" or a little less seems about right. I'm fine with that at this point. The match with Tenta and OMG had Gang at least at the same height and IMO a little bit taller. Remember though, this is about PEAK standing height. I'm sure OMG and Tenta's standing height given normal posture is probably less considering it is with pretty much every human being. OMG, much like Andre, seemed to always wrestle in crouched state so that's another issue.

Personally, I think while in their regular gear Tenta is a bit shorter than the Gang, and Gang is a bit shorter than Studd, but they are all around the same basic area for the most part. From watching Giant Haystacks in WCW I think he's also around the same area as those guys. I think Ottman is one step below all of those guys by maybe as much as couple of inches.
straightahead said on 26/May/16
@Capt. Nobody said on 17/May/16
Neither are basketball players, so what? Doesn't bother me in the least but what does bother me is someone shaping up their own numbers and reducing everything else around with a few exceptions in order to meet some preconceived criteria.

Andre has 7'4" listings. So...

What you are saying is OMG was somewhere in the 6'2" range. Interesting statement. He may have been for all I know, I never measured the guy, but if he starts ticking down, fine, so does everyone else. Not just Andre.


Dont you dare put this on me, i only told you what the pictures showed. You on the other hand has a alot of explanation to do if you believe OMG was as tall as 6'6. So where do YOU put him, Tenta, and Ottman?
Boss said on 26/May/16
@ JT what have you disproven here. Look at the top of the page it says Andre the Giant's height is 7ft 0in 213cm and with proof was raised to this number despite your constant Andre bashing.
Chaz said on 26/May/16
Boss said on 25/May/16
The real picture of Andre holding a beer can. Jt's version where he trying to make Andre's hands look as small as possible is a joke. Big Show is holding the can differently and using his thumb which is not nearly as impressive as Andre holding the beer can.

Boss stop living in a dream would,Andre's hands were very thick and wide but to say they were 27cm is out of the question,that is only 1.5cm shorter than Sultan Kosen's hands,go look at he's hands ? they are much longer,they would be way over the lengh of that Magazine for a start,

And even if Andre's face was 13'' that would make him only 6'11'', that would make no differance to all the 6'5'' guys over he's eyes because has we have seen the extra lengh on a acromegalics face is in the jaw,Andre's face from the top of the head to just over the tip of he's nose is only 6''.he's forhead is short if anything,

For a 7'+ Andre you need a 6'8'' Hogan a 6'9'' Studd and a 6'10'' Baba and Maine and a 6'11''+ Nash Andre'
s hands were about 9.75'', face about 11.75'', and boots about a US size 18.

But one thing we can say is Andre's ring size was huge much bigger than most giants I have seen.
JT said on 25/May/16
Boss said on 23/May/16
Here is JT's Maurice Tillet head photo comparison from a few years ago when he was arguing Tillet had a larger head than Andre. Now when Andre's head is proven larger he knocks 2" off of Tillet's head from his original comparison.
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No, I was probably disproving someone’s claim (likely yours) about the length of TIllet’s head b/c we know for certain that the distance from the bottom of his chin to the root of his nose was only 7”, which means that his head was only around 11” long. Andre's was a little longer but not by much as his head length is relatively normal from the eyes up, which is evident in the pic with the slicked back hair. Click Here Thanks for proving my point again though.
Boss said on 25/May/16
The real picture of Andre holding a beer can. Jt's version where he trying to make Andre's hands look as small as possible is a joke. Big Show is holding the can differently and using his thumb which is not nearly as impressive as Andre holding the beer can.
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andre said on 25/May/16
this man was never taller then 6ft9.8 barefoot
Rampage(-_-_-)Clover said on 25/May/16
Most of his peers insist he was 7ft4-5
Capt. Nobody said on 24/May/16
Boss said on 23/May/16
Here is JT's Maurice Tillet head photo comparison from a few years ago when he was arguing Tillet had a larger head than Andre. Now when Andre's head is proven larger he knocks 2" off of Tillet's head from his original comparison.
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It's certainly been a theme around these parts of a great while.
Capt. Nobody said on 24/May/16
RoelC said on 22/May/16


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Here's that pic of Andre promoting his t-shirt. I've put his hand next to his face. If his hand is 10 inches, then his head certainly isn't 13 inches. His hand is pressed against his chest, so I doubt it will be much closer to the camera either.

People here love casts, so here's a cast of Andre's hand & elbow. This time we have some measurements to go along with. 24 inches from brass fingertip to elbow.
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I'm sure some people here can insert a 24-inch ruler next to the cast, so we can see how long the cast of Andre's hand is.

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The hand is slightly skewed towards the camera though, and as I showed on the Mean Gene hand/head comparison where Andre wrapped his hand around Genes face that can change things dramatically in a game of inches if not centimeters.
Leo said on 24/May/16
He has a very short body for a guy of 7 feet tall. I don't see his neck, has short legs and short arms for his height.
7'4 or 7'5 is funny and ridiculous.
JT said on 23/May/16
The Molson’s can is supposedly 4 5/8” high and the Pepsi can 4 4/5” but close enough
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Boss said on 23/May/16
Andre's hands were 10.5" range. Here at 27cm or 10.63".
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Just to give an idea as it's pretty awesome.
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Here from Terry Todd who is someone that has spent time with both Big Show and Andre. This is in direct response to JT who was asking who was bigger.

JT, May 29, 2010:
Dr. Todd,

If you have the opportunity, your getting some shoulder, wrist and hand measurements of Paul Wight (wrestler Big Show) could be revealing. He’s probably close to Mark Henry’s width.
Wight back in 1999-2000 was arguably wider than he is now. His hands are also about as wide as Andre the Giant’s were but not as long. Like Wight and Andre, Dalip Singh (wrestler Great Khali) has a huge frame and hands as well due to acromegaly/gigantism and is the tallest of the three.

A shoulder measurement of Dwight Howard sounds interesting but would probably be disappointing. With television screens now in the 16:9 format, everyone looks wider than they really are. If you switch the screen to the old 4:3 format, Howard still looks wide but not quite as impressive. His square (rather than sloped) shoulders and narrow waist also add to the illusion of width. At a legit 6’10”, he’s still a remarkable athlete.

I really enjoyed your SI article about Andre the Giant. As Andre has since passed away, can you share some insight on his real height and overall size? After factoring in the afro and cowboy boots that he almost always wore outside the ring, my best guess is that he was actually closer to 6’10” and probably around 425-450 lbs. when you interviewed him. Wight is roughly 7’0” (he was listed as 7’1” as a center for Wichita State) and generally looks at least 2 inches taller when standing next to the same people that Andre did (or when standing next to persons of the same height that Andre did). Thanks!

terry todd, July 12, 2010:
JT,

I just became aware of your post and thought I’d respond. I agree that the Big Show of ten years ago would be very close to Mark in shoulder breadth. I saw him many times during that period and he was truly broad–and also very strong in his shoulders even though he didn’t push it in the gym even then. Regarding his hand size relative to Andre’s, having been around both quite often I have to disagree as I believe Andre’s hands were significantly wider than Big Show’s–just as
Andre’s feet were much larger in both length and width than Show’s.

I agree with your general points about Howard, although he’s so much wider than almost all of the other NBA big men that his measurement would be interesting to see–although not up in the Henry, Williams, and Show category. As for Andre’s height, he was a good 7′ early in his career, and maybe a bit more, but age, a terrible back, and gravity brought him “down” a peg or two. I saw him on several occasions when he weighed over 500 pounds, but I also saw him in Georgia shortly after he cam down from Canada and I suspect he was within 15 pounds of 400, one way or the other. This was about 40 years ago; I went backstage to meet him, interview him, and take a few photos with him. I still recall how “inhuman” he looked and how amazingly agile he was. For example, at one point in the match he ran across the ring, jumped over the top rope, caught the top rope in one hand for contril as he went over, and landed on the floor just outside the ring.

Andre's head was longer and larger than Big Show's head.
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JT said on 23/May/16
RoelC said on 22/May/16
….Chris, who edits the Andre the Giant facebook page, met Big Show awhile ago. He also compared the handsize of both men and Andre's hands were quite a bit bigger.
Big Show's hands Click Here
Andre's hands Click Here
It's always a question though if the handprints are truly lifesize. Chris said Big Show's handprint looked smaller than his actual hand (especially in width). If the prints are accurate though, Andre's hands were quite a bit bigger.

You can see how exaggerated that middle handprint display with Andre/Chris really is Click Here and this assumes the display length is correct.

Click Here Close to 10” long here although a body mold does not always equal the size of the underlying body part.

Big Show’s hand is about the length of poster Chris’ head and his hand is behind Chris and father from the camera. Click Here
Based on the Japanese magazine, Andre’s hand measured roughly 9.75”. Given the photo with Chris, Big Show’s hand could be as long as Andre’s. If it is, it’s b/c he has a longer palm since his fingers look stubbier than Andre’s.
Boss said on 23/May/16
Here is JT's Maurice Tillet head photo comparison from a few years ago when he was arguing Tillet had a larger head than Andre. Now when Andre's head is proven larger he knocks 2" off of Tillet's head from his original comparison.
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Hogans head looks longer than JT's. Here Red has him at 10.5" and Andre at 13". This is the best case scenario for comparison as they are equal distance from camera and face to face. Click Here

Here with 6'1" Victor Rivera on the end. Just by lifting his head up he gains 2" or more inches in height. Victor Rivera goes from the bottom of Andre's lip to the bottom of Andre's chin just by Andre raising his head up straight. They are standing the exact same position in both shots. People here used to use the color shot and say Andre isn't losing much height with his posture in the photo and then I came across the B/W other photo and that was the last anyone in the sub 7' camp wanted to talk about that.
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mrtguy said on 23/May/16
@Roel C, Big Show real handprint Click Here
JT said on 23/May/16
This is one of the few full body pics when Andre has his hair slicked back Click Here Without the afro effect, his head does not even look that large for his body although it is.

Click Here a 6’10” Andre (plus ~ 0.5” footwear) ends up with a little over a 12” long head and a 7’0” Andre with around a 12.5” long head with a smile/mouth open. Subtract ~ 0.5” for the head length for both with a closed mouth.

Hogan’s head looks about the same length as mine (~ 10 ¼” mouth closed), even if you assume he’s 6’6”, which he never was Click Here

Big Show’s looks almost 13 inches long with a smile/mouth open assuming he’s down to 6’11” and with ~ 1.25” footwear
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RoelC said on 22/May/16
mrtguy said on 20/May/16
Rob, by all means you believe Big Show's hand, head and feet are equal to Andre's??

The WWE has Andre's & Big Show's handsize on display. They claim they're both actual size.
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Chris, who edits the Andre the Giant facebook page, met Big Show awhile ago. He also compared the handsize of both men and Andre's hands were quite a bit bigger.
Big Show's hands Click Here
Andre's hands Click Here
It's always a question though if the handprints are truly lifesize. Chris said Big Show's handprint looked smaller than his actual hand (especially in width). If the prints are accurate though, Andre's hands were quite a bit bigger.
RoelC said on 22/May/16
Iconjj said on 21/May/16
I did some figgerin' earlier since I had a rare chance to get on the computer and going on the 10" measurement for Andres hand (thanks to Chris) using the picture of Andre promoting his t shirt and using some reverse engineering I got Andre's head at 12" - 12.25...
Now granted it was a quick measure and I didn't save it but I might have more time here shortly to do a better comparison.

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Here's that pic of Andre promoting his t-shirt. I've put his hand next to his face. If his hand is 10 inches, then his head certainly isn't 13 inches. His hand is pressed against his chest, so I doubt it will be much closer to the camera either.

People here love casts, so here's a cast of Andre's hand & elbow. This time we have some measurements to go along with. 24 inches from brass fingertip to elbow.
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I'm sure some people here can insert a 24-inch ruler next to the cast, so we can see how long the cast of Andre's hand is.
RoelC said on 22/May/16
Boss said on 13/May/16
@Roel . The owner of the mask said he performed the same measurements as Harvard and the mask came out .5" longer because they used calibers which dig in to the bone and he is measuring a hard mold with a t-square. Even if you take the 1" off as the red lines are over 1/8" thick we are still there is still 5.5" to the top of his head and shave a fraction of an inch off that and his head is still over 12" and you yourself made the comparison that Andre had the larger head putting Andre's head in the 13" range and that's what this is about. So quit trying to squirm your way out of it. You are wrong plain and simple. Rob has seen all the evidence brought here over the years. Answer the question why if you think you know everything is your Andre estimate not at the top of the page here and mine is? Andre the Giant's height is 7ft 0in (213cm). That's all the proof I need.

You keep claiming the measurements from Harvard closely match the measurements performed on the deathmask, but as usual provide zero proof.

We have one picture where the owner of the mask measures the deathmask, and that picture tells a different story! It certainly wouldn’t result into a mere 0.5” difference. We already have an inch difference between the mask and the actual head when we compare the root of the nose to the bottom of the chin. And that’s only 60% of his head, we’re comparing. On the total head we would have a 1.67” difference. Which would again put Tillet’s head in the 11.5-12” range. I’m not wrong about those Harvard measurements. It’s an irrefutable fact that his face (from the chin to the root of the nose) measured 179mm. That would result in a 11.5-12” total head length. Certainly not 13 inches!

A few weeks ago you were trying to claim that Harvard measured his head at 13 inches, and when I called you out on it, you quickly changed the story to the owner of the deathmask being the one who measured his head at 13 inches. And yet you’re claiming I’m the one who tries to squirm my way out of it.

As for that comparison I made of Andre & Tillet. That was done on pure speculation, because there are no pictures of Andre & Tillet next to each other, nor next to the same person for that matter. I made that comparison based on Tillet’s Harvard measurements (I put his head at 11.5 inches) and Andre’s head at 12 inches (based on how big I thought Andre’s head was). Seeing as both estimations were made seperately from one another, if Tillet's head turned out to be bigger than expected, it would not automatically result into a bigger head for Andre aswell.
Iconjj said on 21/May/16
I did some figgerin' earlier since I had a rare chance to get on the computer and going on the 10" measurement for Andres hand (thanks to Chris) using the picture of Andre promoting his t shirt and using some reverse engineering I got Andre's head at 12" - 12.25...
Now granted it was a quick measure and I didn't save it but I might have more time here shortly to do a better comparison.
Chaz said on 21/May/16
me said on 21/May/16
These pics comparing Andre/Tillet just reinforces Andre at just over 7'. Look at Andre/Backlund pic to prove once again that Andre is a full foot taller than Backlund. His head was enormous.

yes Enormouse 11,75'' face hands 9.75'', but at 6' Backlund should be under he's chin not by the mouth that is were a 6'2'5 '' ish man should be ,Hogan should be under he's nose not over he's eyes,he's 2-2.5'' too short to be 7'
Boss said on 21/May/16
Andre's head was 13". Red did a comparison with Hulk and Hogan has around 10.5" head putting Andre's at 13.05". Andre's head was at least 1" longer than Tillet's in another comparison which would put his head in the 13" range again. I used several comparisons that were done by others and 13" every time. Hard to argue with fact.
175 cm said on 21/May/16
He looks like a stretched Big G
me said on 21/May/16
These pics comparing Andre/Tillet just reinforces Andre at just over 7'. Look at Andre/Backlund pic to prove once again that Andre is a full foot taller than Backlund. His head was enormous.
RP said on 20/May/16
Andre looks almost crippled in that 1992 movie (trading moms) ...he never stands up straight to ever be able to judge his height properly.....and no way for sure to tell by door frames that we have no clue of it's exact height. And in the bus scene ...Andre is hunched over by 3" to 4" inches ...he looks hunched over by 3" inches in just about all the scenes. Peak Andre 7'0"-ish...1992 broken down Andre 6'10-1/2"...hunched over by 3" inches or so, would give you the impression of 6'7" to 6'8" on certain camera angles though. His health & back look horrible in this film. Poor fella looked in non-stop pain.
andre said on 20/May/16
You say big show is strong but not one of the strongest and andre the giant rob even tough big show is more agile andre the giant was stronger
could andre the giant be the strongest man in the world back in 80 ?
Boss said on 20/May/16
Here the 7.05" is a face measurement it does not go the the bottom of his acromegalic chin.
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Here is actual total facial measurement from root to bottom of chin is 18cm or 7.087" as shown in the pic. This would put your math off on total head size.
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Maurice's total head length would be at least 12" range and if Andre's head was 1" longer than Tillet's head. Andre's head is in the 13" range.
mrtguy said on 20/May/16
Rob, by all means you believe Big Show's hand, head and feet are equal to Andre's??
Editor Rob: they could be comparable
Capt. Nobody said on 19/May/16
JT said on 19/May/16
Click Here Assuming a 7’0” and 6'10" Andre. Tillet was reportedly 5'8.5". The low camera angle and Andre's height will make his head look a little smaller than it really is

Click Here IIRC Rob’s head measures 9.5”. I added ~ ¼” since the chin drops a bit when you smile. TIllet’s head length is around 11 inches, right where it belongs based on the Harvard measurement. My head’s around 10 ¼” long and a little longer with a smile. Click Here but once again Tillet’s head isn’t much more than 11 inches long notwithstanding the low camera angle making my head again look a little shorter than it really is given my height. Tillet definitely had a huge head but it looked especially unusual given his relatively short stature.

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So, now Tillets head is around 11 inches? RoelC?

How big do you think Hogans is? I do remember there being some sort of consensus on that as well.
RoelC said on 19/May/16
6'2 said on 19/May/16
happy 70th boss. just 1 question about above where is the 6'7 age 17 come from wasnt he meant to be over 6ft at 12 and 240lbs and at 16 like 6'10 and 7ft at 19 his brother said in the larger than life documentary he really grew at age 16 so just was hoping someone could shed light on the suppossedly 6'7 at age 17.and plz no one reply to the poster andre on here

I've seen several different heights being claimed for him at various different ages. I've also seen 6'1" at age 12 and 6'4" at age 16. That seems somewhat believable with his brother's statement in the documentary, in which he claimed Andre really started to grow at the age of 16. Before that he was big, but nothing unusual.
I've seen taller heights being claimed for him, such as 6'8" at age 14. That somewhat contradicts Jacques Roussimoff's story. His brothers and sisters are all of average height, and so were his parents. I don't believe the story about him having a 7'8" grandfather. You hear stories like that for nearly every giant.

6'1" at age 12 and 6'4" at age 16 is big, but nothing unusual. The growth spurts he got after that, were probably the ones that made his family realize his height wasn't normal.

It would be helpful if there were some pics of Andre during his childhood. The Larger Than Life shows a few pictures of Andre when he was really young, but they're not suitable to estimate his height.
6'2 said on 19/May/16
happy 70th boss. just 1 question about above where is the 6'7 age 17 come from wasnt he meant to be over 6ft at 12 and 240lbs and at 16 like 6'10 and 7ft at 19 his brother said in the larger than life documentary he really grew at age 16 so just was hoping someone could shed light on the suppossedly 6'7 at age 17.and plz no one reply to the poster andre on here
JT said on 19/May/16
Click Here Assuming a 7’0” and 6'10" Andre. Tillet was reportedly 5'8.5". The low camera angle and Andre's height will make his head look a little smaller than it really is

Click Here IIRC Rob’s head measures 9.5”. I added ~ ¼” since the chin drops a bit when you smile. TIllet’s head length is around 11 inches, right where it belongs based on the Harvard measurement. My head’s around 10 ¼” long and a little longer with a smile. Click Here but once again Tillet’s head isn’t much more than 11 inches long notwithstanding the low camera angle making my head again look a little shorter than it really is given my height. Tillet definitely had a huge head but it looked especially unusual given his relatively short stature.
andre said on 17/May/16
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Rob watch this clip of andre in 1992 he looks like 6ft7

tell me after looking at him in 1992 will you downgrate his height because in this video he looks just 6ft7
Capt. Nobody said on 17/May/16
straightahead said on 17/May/16
@Capt. Nobody said on 15/May/16
I can read, especially when math seems to skew all over the place depending on the time of day.

OK, here is what you said originally:

"claiming 6'3 for OMG was idiotic since he is shorter than the 6'3 Ottman"

So, you say Tenta is 1 inch taller than OMG, then how tall is Tenta again? I seem to recall you spouting the official measurement on Tenta. Yet Gangs not reaching 6'3"?

Tenta may have been taller barefoot, I can't say for sure. Same with Ottman. Just like with Andre, until there is absolute arithmetic involved nobody can truly know, but I know what it looks like when numbers appear to fluctuate around an opinion, and not an answer, and that seems to happen a lot. A half inch here, another inch there.

And if the Gang is wearing boots that give him a lift, it doesn't matter as long he's just a point of comparison in which he has the same basic height boost. There are still plenty of people that say Studd and Hogan wore lifts too, so it's possible. Looking at his back and normal stance these days it's also plausible he might be well under his full or former standing height when standing comfortably.


If Ottman was 6'3 then OMG was a little shorter, not absolutely sure since we couldnt see their footwear but he was taller in both of the pics. Ottman has been listed 6'3 and i admit he looks taller, but again why would he be listed 6'3 if he was taller? Tenta could had been everything from 6'4 to 6'5 3/4 (yes he has had 6'4 listings as well as 6'5) and i would put him at 6'5.

Maybe its time to wake up and realize that the wrestlers werent as big we used to believe?

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Neither are basketball players, so what? Doesn't bother me in the least but what does bother me is someone shaping up their own numbers and reducing everything else around with a few exceptions in order to meet some preconceived criteria.

Andre has 7'4" listings. So...

What you are saying is OMG was somewhere in the 6'2" range. Interesting statement. He may have been for all I know, I never measured the guy, but if he starts ticking down, fine, so does everyone else. Not just Andre.
Capt. Nobody said on 17/May/16
RoelC said on 17/May/16
Capt. Nobody said on 15/May/16
Or maybe not.
Click Here
The picture of the mold, and the measurement shot scale almost to perfection. The angles on the shots are a little different but if the mold were way off it would be almost impossible to bring it into this kind of proportion.
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Uhm, wasn’t that exactly the point I was trying to make there?

Yes the deathmask has the same proportions as Tillet’s real head. Which makes it nearly impossible for Tillet’s real head to have been measured at 13 inches, when they took his measurements at Harvard.

Looking at the death mask, the distance from the root of his nose to the bottom of his chin accounts for roughly 60% of his head.
Now apply this 60% to the Harvard measurement of 7.05” and you come out at 11.75” for Tillet’s total head length. If Tillet's head would come out
at 13 inches, the root of his nose to the bottom of his chin only accounts for roughly 54% of his total head length. You would get a completely different shaped head!

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I was agreeing about the head shape of Tillet, but if the bust is an actual bust of his head, then it's hard to argue against. I guess we'll never truly know.

But that shouldn't be the focus IMO, because this would bring into question the notion that Tillets head was indeed larger than Andre's. That should be the main point because that could substantiate Boss' claim that Andre's head was bigger. That's the important takeaway in this conversation.
straightahead said on 17/May/16
@Capt. Nobody said on 15/May/16
I can read, especially when math seems to skew all over the place depending on the time of day.

OK, here is what you said originally:

"claiming 6'3 for OMG was idiotic since he is shorter than the 6'3 Ottman"

So, you say Tenta is 1 inch taller than OMG, then how tall is Tenta again? I seem to recall you spouting the official measurement on Tenta. Yet Gangs not reaching 6'3"?

Tenta may have been taller barefoot, I can't say for sure. Same with Ottman. Just like with Andre, until there is absolute arithmetic involved nobody can truly know, but I know what it looks like when numbers appear to fluctuate around an opinion, and not an answer, and that seems to happen a lot. A half inch here, another inch there.

And if the Gang is wearing boots that give him a lift, it doesn't matter as long he's just a point of comparison in which he has the same basic height boost. There are still plenty of people that say Studd and Hogan wore lifts too, so it's possible. Looking at his back and normal stance these days it's also plausible he might be well under his full or former standing height when standing comfortably.


If Ottman was 6'3 then OMG was a little shorter, not absolutely sure since we couldnt see their footwear but he was taller in both of the pics. Ottman has been listed 6'3 and i admit he looks taller, but again why would he be listed 6'3 if he was taller? Tenta could had been everything from 6'4 to 6'5 3/4 (yes he has had 6'4 listings as well as 6'5) and i would put him at 6'5.

Maybe its time to wake up and realize that the wrestlers werent as big we used to believe?
RoelC said on 17/May/16
Capt. Nobody said on 15/May/16
Or maybe not.
Click Here
The picture of the mold, and the measurement shot scale almost to perfection. The angles on the shots are a little different but if the mold were way off it would be almost impossible to bring it into this kind of proportion.
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Uhm, wasn’t that exactly the point I was trying to make there?

Yes the deathmask has the same proportions as Tillet’s real head. Which makes it nearly impossible for Tillet’s real head to have been measured at 13 inches, when they took his measurements at Harvard.

Looking at the death mask, the distance from the root of his nose to the bottom of his chin accounts for roughly 60% of his head.
Now apply this 60% to the Harvard measurement of 7.05” and you come out at 11.75” for Tillet’s total head length. If Tillet's head would come out
at 13 inches, the root of his nose to the bottom of his chin only accounts for roughly 54% of his total head length. You would get a completely different shaped head!
@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 16/May/16
RoelC said on 12/May/16


No need to guess here. It measures 8 ⅛” (13 ½” -/- 5 ⅜) according to your own pic.

Harvard measured Tillet’s head from the root of his nose to the bottom of his chin at 179mm (7.05”).


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So his head would be at least 11.75"

Andres head comes out taller ~1" , so Andres head was 12.5"-13".
Going smaller or bigger wouldn´t be realistic.
Capt. Nobody said on 15/May/16
RoelC said on 12/May/16

For Harvard to measure his head at 13 inches, would mean the distance from the root of his nose to the top of his head is almost 6 inches (or roughly 46% of his total head length). That’s even larger than it measures on the deathmask and would mean his head was shaped completely different than what the deathmask is showing. Something doesn’t add up!

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Or maybe not.

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The picture of the mold, and the measurement shot scale almost to perfection. The angles on the shots are a little different but if the mold were way off it would be almost impossible to bring it into this kind of proportion.
Capt. Nobody said on 15/May/16
JT said on 12/May/16
It’s not rocket science. Tillet’s head measured 18 cm, or just over 7 inches, from the bottom of the chin to where the nose meets the forehead Click Here You can even count the increments on the caliper. Even if you count the fat under his chin, the head length comes out around 11.5”.

Tillet also supposedly measured 5’8 ½” or around 5’9 ½” in shoes Click Here We know the Japanese referee was no more than 5’6” Click Here I’m around 6’6” in shoes and my head around 10 ¼” long. Click Here

For comparison, here’s a pic of me and Bill Walton (6’11.75” per Rob) from a few years ago and our footwear Click Here Walton was a little closer to the camera b/c there was a box in front of my feet used to raise the table he was signing autographs on so he would not have to bend over so much. Walton would stand with impeccable military posture for every photo taken. I don’t think he’s any more than 6’11” now but may have been closer to 7’1” before almost 40 foot, ankle and back surgeries. He has a long face too - probably at least 11 inches.

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It's amazing. In looking at that pic of you and Andre, you have to be the one person I've ever seen that would have had a head that close in comparison to Andre the Giant should the two of you had met. Now, what are the odds of that being the case???
Capt. Nobody said on 15/May/16
straightahead said on 12/May/16
@Capt.Nobody said on 7/May/16

When their hands are raised, OMG is farther away from the camera than Tenta is. Only when he starts to walk closer to the ropes is he nearly in the same horizontal path as Tenta. You can tell because you can see Tentas left hip area overlap the view of the ref, whereas it appears as if the refs left hip and OMG's right hip are pretty close to eachother. This being a fairly flat angle makes any background to foreground movement significant as it relates to scale. The shot where they embrace, while not the best to gain any specific height information clearly shows that OMG interacts in a way to suggest he's taller. OMG is sometimes hard to judge because he tends to lurch forward.

Also, if they are the same height there, how can Ottman be taller than OMG by the amount shown in the pictures you posted earlier? He'd have to have a much bigger heel advantage than 2 inches. And I would take a closer look at his boots in that match if I were you.


Cant you read? Tenta wasnt same height as OMG, he's atleast 1 inch taller. And i said we cant see their footwear in the pictures with Ottman and OMG, but we can see OMG's footwear in the video with Tenta, and it was pretty big heels...


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I can read, especially when math seems to skew all over the place depending on the time of day.

OK, here is what you said originally:

"claiming 6'3 for OMG was idiotic since he is shorter than the 6'3 Ottman"

So, you say Tenta is 1 inch taller than OMG, then how tall is Tenta again? I seem to recall you spouting the official measurement on Tenta. Yet Gangs not reaching 6'3"?

Tenta may have been taller barefoot, I can't say for sure. Same with Ottman. Just like with Andre, until there is absolute arithmetic involved nobody can truly know, but I know what it looks like when numbers appear to fluctuate around an opinion, and not an answer, and that seems to happen a lot. A half inch here, another inch there.

And if the Gang is wearing boots that give him a lift, it doesn't matter as long he's just a point of comparison in which he has the same basic height boost. There are still plenty of people that say Studd and Hogan wore lifts too, so it's possible. Looking at his back and normal stance these days it's also plausible he might be well under his full or former standing height when standing comfortably.
Arch Stanton said on 15/May/16
7 ft 4 is utterly ridiculous. Even 7 ft looks questionable in the Princess Bride, he can look 6 ft 10 in some scenes.
Ice said on 14/May/16
true 7'4" guys like Rick Smits or Priest Lauderdale would have towered Andre .
Boss said on 13/May/16
@Roel . The owner of the mask said he performed the same measurements as Harvard and the mask came out .5" longer because they used calibers which dig in to the bone and he is measuring a hard mold with a t-square. Even if you take the 1" off as the red lines are over 1/8" thick we are still there is still 5.5" to the top of his head and shave a fraction of an inch off that and his head is still over 12" and you yourself made the comparison that Andre had the larger head putting Andre's head in the 13" range and that's what this is about. So quit trying to squirm your way out of it. You are wrong plain and simple. Rob has seen all the evidence brought here over the years. Answer the question why if you think you know everything is your Andre estimate not at the top of the page here and mine is? Andre the Giant's height is 7ft 0in (213cm). That's all the proof I need.
Chaz said on 13/May/16
6'2 said on 12/May/16
chaz theres no point in comparing sum1 who is 4'11 to andre thats absurd wilt jake roberts hogan ernie ladd john studd uncle elmer fair enough you can make an estimate but 23-26" who can tell? and plz dont write back with a comparasion

you don't need any comparasions,everything you need to work he's height out, is in the same photo,you have a 5' tape measure standing right in front of a bolt upright Andre,Ie one 4'11'' about 5' in boots Shoemaker,a jokey we know 100% he's height and weight,you just divide him up in to 5 parts,then measure it on the screen then move it up to the top of he's hair,and work out the differance,and because we know 100% they are both the same height to the camara.and even adding .5'' for shoemaker being closer,even tho there is no gap,but we know for every 12'' you gain 1'' that the camara hits the part in a photo first.you will find the total height of Andre with hair and boots is 7'1'' so there is no way he's 7' barefoot not even 6'11'' he's hair alone is nere 2'',and this is the way the RAF photo interpretation unit worked out to within 1cm the length of both V1 and V2s in WW2 you just need to know the height or length of one thing in the photo, try it yourself it's not hard,
RoelC said on 12/May/16
Boss said on 10/May/16
Roel C my estimates come from the owner of the death mask who has way more knowledge of Maurice Tillet than you ever will or anyone else here for that matter myself included. You can check out his site if you like. He done all the same measurements as Harvard and the death mask head was only .5" larger. Funny how you talk like we're stupid here and you have so much knowledge on Andre yet Rob a height expert raised his height to 7' because that's what the evidence points toward. Why isn't your height estimate at the top of the page here ? I don't care who made the Andre Tillet comparison as I thought Andre's head was bigger long before that comparison was ever done and most here argued it wasn't . So your comparison had nothing to do with my estimate but I thought it was a realistic comparison.

This is getting repetitive!

The one measurement we know for sure was performed in both cases, doesn’t add up and certainly wouldn’t result in a 0.5” difference on the total head length.
We have as you said it photographic proof of the measurement of Tillet’s deathmask.
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You’re the one who posted this image, so you have seen the red lines drawn in the picture to mark the root of the nose and the bottom of the chin.

No need to guess here. It measures 8 ⅛” (13 ½” -/- 5 ⅜) according to your own pic.

Harvard measured Tillet’s head from the root of his nose to the bottom of his chin at 179mm (7.05”). That’s also a fact, and reread my post from a few days ago where I both posted the article and picture to back this up. That’s already more than an inch difference there!

You claimed the Harvard University measured his head at 13 inches, yet not a single medical article or anything else I’ve seen backs this up. Please post this email then, that the owner of the deathmask supposedly send you. And yes I’ve seen his weblog (and his facebook page).

For Harvard to measure his head at 13 inches, would mean the distance from the root of his nose to the top of his head is almost 6 inches (or roughly 46% of his total head length). That’s even larger than it measures on the deathmask and would mean his head was shaped completely different than what the deathmask is showing. Something doesn’t add up!
6'2 said on 12/May/16
chaz theres no point in comparing sum1 who is 4'11 to andre thats absurd wilt jake roberts hogan ernie ladd john studd uncle elmer fair enough you can make an estimate but 23-26" who can tell? and plz dont write back with a comparasion
JT said on 12/May/16
It’s not rocket science. Tillet’s head measured 18 cm, or just over 7 inches, from the bottom of the chin to where the nose meets the forehead Click Here You can even count the increments on the caliper. Even if you count the fat under his chin, the head length comes out around 11.5”.

Tillet also supposedly measured 5’8 ½” or around 5’9 ½” in shoes Click Here We know the Japanese referee was no more than 5’6” Click Here I’m around 6’6” in shoes and my head around 10 ¼” long. Click Here

For comparison, here’s a pic of me and Bill Walton (6’11.75” per Rob) from a few years ago and our footwear Click Here Walton was a little closer to the camera b/c there was a box in front of my feet used to raise the table he was signing autographs on so he would not have to bend over so much. Walton would stand with impeccable military posture for every photo taken. I don’t think he’s any more than 6’11” now but may have been closer to 7’1” before almost 40 foot, ankle and back surgeries. He has a long face too - probably at least 11 inches.
straightahead said on 12/May/16
@Capt.Nobody said on 7/May/16

When their hands are raised, OMG is farther away from the camera than Tenta is. Only when he starts to walk closer to the ropes is he nearly in the same horizontal path as Tenta. You can tell because you can see Tentas left hip area overlap the view of the ref, whereas it appears as if the refs left hip and OMG's right hip are pretty close to eachother. This being a fairly flat angle makes any background to foreground movement significant as it relates to scale. The shot where they embrace, while not the best to gain any specific height information clearly shows that OMG interacts in a way to suggest he's taller. OMG is sometimes hard to judge because he tends to lurch forward.

Also, if they are the same height there, how can Ottman be taller than OMG by the amount shown in the pictures you posted earlier? He'd have to have a much bigger heel advantage than 2 inches. And I would take a closer look at his boots in that match if I were you.


Cant you read? Tenta wasnt same height as OMG, he's atleast 1 inch taller. And i said we cant see their footwear in the pictures with Ottman and OMG, but we can see OMG's footwear in the video with Tenta, and it was pretty big heels...
RYAN11 said on 11/May/16
Chaz, there is no way on God's green earth anyone no matter how experienced or good at judging photos could ever tell the difference in height between a 4'11" man next to someone over 7 feet tall,.especially someone like Andre the Giant given his massive head and face that throws everything off. Also, the other thing nobody who argues for a sub 7 foot Andre ever wants to admit is that in the infamous Wilt and Arnold pics, Andre was much closer to the camera in each photo on a driveway that looks like it is going on a downhill slope. Being closer to the camera makes everyone appear around a half foot shorter. That then makes Andre at least a few inches taller than Wilt.
cobra said on 11/May/16
Doesn't this video from 1976 with NFL measured 6-9 Ernie Ladd confirm Andre was never over 7 feet: Click Here
Boss said on 10/May/16
@ Captain. 12.5" is definitely a good estimate but based on everything I'm leaning toward 13" range. You are also correct on the Maurice Tillet question as well. I'm used to being blasted by these guys and it doesn't bother me at all as I'm confident in all my posts and believe me they can be quite igonorant to posters here. Everything I post is with something to back up what I'm saying and I've dropped some big ones on the Andre subject here. That being said if it wasn't for JT, Roel C, Vegas, Chaz, Halb and a few others in this debate I wouldn't have the crazy amount of knowledge that I've accumulated on Andre over the past decade so for that I'm thankful. Captain, Ncl, Icon, RP, Gretz, 62b, Danimal, Logan Noll and anyone I missed keep up the good work.
Boss said on 10/May/16
Roel C my estimates come from the owner of the death mask who has way more knowledge of Maurice Tillet than you ever will or anyone else here for that matter myself included. You can check out his site if you like. He done all the same measurements as Harvard and the death mask head was only .5" larger. Funny how you talk like we're stupid here and you have so much knowledge on Andre yet Rob a height expert raised his height to 7' because that's what the evidence points toward. Why isn't your height estimate at the top of the page here ? I don't care who made the Andre Tillet comparison as I thought Andre's head was bigger long before that comparison was ever done and most here argued it wasn't . So your comparison had nothing to do with my estimate but I thought it was a realistic comparison.
Chaz said on 10/May/16
Boss said on 7/May/16
Tillet's death mask measures 13.5" in the pic. The owner of the mask emailed me that it measures .5" longer than the Harvard measurements and he done all the same measurements. His face alone would be 12" range but his whole head measures 13".

We don't need any head cast measuremets we can see he's face being measured with calepers,at 7'' to the top of the nose,and has that is by far the longest part ,like with Andre we can work out the face could not have been over 11.5-12'' just like we know the lenght of andre's hand was under 10''from the Japan mag he was holding from that we could work out he's head was only 2''
longer.Both Tiltet's were in the 11.5-12'' range,you got to understand a avarage face is only 9-9.5'' so even an extra .5'' is a lot.1-2 '' is masive that plus Andre's 3'' afro would have made him seem inhuman to look at for real.
Boss said on 9/May/16
The owner of the death mask knows more about Maurice Tillet than all of us here combined. I will take his word and the actual proof with photos of the measurement he provided over anyone's guessing or comparisons. Maurice's head was 13" range.
RoelC said on 8/May/16
Boss said on 5/May/16
Roel C you are biased as they come. We have Maurice Tillets head being measured with photo evidence and your still trying to downgrade his head size. So we should go by your estimates over actual proof. People shouldn't pay any attention to your posts because they are based on no fact. One fact is that your an Observer fanboy and hate to think Meltzer has been milking your money with all his inside bull for all these years and a couple books on top of that. The guy who runs the website your referencing confirmed Tillets head was measured at 13" long.

My estimations of Tillet’s head are based on the measurements that were performed on Tillet’s actual head. Not a mold of his head, but his ACTUAL HEAD. Apparently you don’t know the difference.

It’s funny how you think my estimates are crap, but you keep posting that head comparison I’ve made of Tillet & Andre. And if there’s one time I’ve posted something here based on no fact at all, that comparison would be it.

And for your info, not everyone who thinks Andre is less than 7 feet is automatically a Meltzer fanboy.
Chaz said on 8/May/16
6'2 said on 6/May/16
the only time i ever saw andre stand straight is when he was supposedly getting measured and weighed theres a pic out there of it. its the first time i saw his neck because thats his actual height theres some absurd equation to say he was 84.5"' or something anyway thats his proper standing height no sloching and hes barefoot not sure of the year but wasnt late id say around 1980 or so anyway looks at least 7ft tall in it

he was perfectly straight in 1975 Next to 4'11'' Shoemaker and in peak height and health and stilll was nothing over 6'10''.
Capt. Nobody said on 8/May/16
Just for clarification JT, now Andre's head is larger than Tillets was? Correct? Tillets in the 11-11.5 range, Andre close to 12?

I seem to recall Boss being blasted for suggesting that Andre's head was bigger than Tillets. Is there a way to look through the old posts Rob? I may not be remembering correctly but I'm sure of that being the case.
Capt. Nobody said on 8/May/16
Boss said on 6/May/16
Jt all your posts are BS and your ruler is also set to fit your story everytime. You claim Big Show has a 12" head and Andre is lucky if he has a 12" head. Your basically saying Show's head is larger Andre when that has been proven wrong here. You had Tillet's head at 13" on your ruler and never changed your story until the Andre and Tillets head comparisons were done and Andre's head came out larger than Tillet's.

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I made a specific point at one time to make sure everyone was on the same page at 12.5" for Andre's head. I could have sworn it was agreed upon, yet here we are. LOL.
Boss said on 7/May/16
Tillet's death mask measures 13.5" in the pic. The owner of the mask emailed me that it measures .5" longer than the Harvard measurements and he done all the same measurements. His face alone would be 12" range but his whole head measures 13".
Capt.Nobody said on 7/May/16
JT said on 5/May/16
Basing the actual head size on a head mold is worthless. The actual mold of Richard Kiel's noggin measures 23" from the base to the top of the head, meaning that his head would have to be in the neighborhood of 17" long, which is absurd. Click Here

IIRC TIllet's head measured around 11" to 11.5" long based on the actual measurement made from the tip of his chin to the point where the top of the nose meets the forehead. Yet Boss will keep regurgitating the same B.S. every six months or so.

Andre's head was maybe 12" and that might be pushing it Click Here Click Here

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What did the owner of the head mold have to say on the subject?

OK, if Andre's head was maybe 12", then why in this picture of yours showing Andre with the car, does his head come up around 10.5 inches according to your ruler?

Click Here
Capt.Nobody said on 7/May/16
straightahead said on 5/May/16
Capt. Nobody said on 4/May/16

Who was taller, Ottman or Tenta in your opinion?

Because Tenta was, and OMG looked to be a little taller than Tenta. What you're saying goes against all the established principles involved. Despite what one photo tells you. As for OMG today, I just saw an interview from just recently and it looks like he's got quite a bit of a hunch in the back these days so I have no doubts it's hard for him to stand up straight so he might be shorter than Ottman depending on the circumstances.

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What i based my opinions from wasnt from one photo, but two. OMG was slightly shorter than Ottman, but we didnt see their footwear. Between Ottman and Tenta, Tenta was around 1 inch taller.

OMG only looked taller because you captured the moment where he looked taller, why didnt you take the screenshot when BOTH MEN had their arms up? - same height. And OMG had his typical 2 inch heeled boots, so its case closed. Tenta had one inch on OMG.

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When their hands are raised, OMG is farther away from the camera than Tenta is. Only when he starts to walk closer to the ropes is he nearly in the same horizontal path as Tenta. You can tell because you can see Tentas left hip area overlap the view of the ref, whereas it appears as if the refs left hip and OMG's right hip are pretty close to eachother. This being a fairly flat angle makes any background to foreground movement significant as it relates to scale. The shot where they embrace, while not the best to gain any specific height information clearly shows that OMG interacts in a way to suggest he's taller. OMG is sometimes hard to judge because he tends to lurch forward.

Also, if they are the same height there, how can Ottman be taller than OMG by the amount shown in the pictures you posted earlier? He'd have to have a much bigger heel advantage than 2 inches. And I would take a closer look at his boots in that match if I were you.
Chaz said on 7/May/16
Boss said on 6/May/16
Jt all your posts are BS and your ruler is also set to fit your story everytime. You claim Big Show has a 12" head and Andre is lucky if he has a 12" head. Your basically saying Show's head is larger Andre when that has been proven wrong here. You had Tillet's head at 13" on your ruler and never changed your story until the Andre and Tillets head comparisons were done and Andre's head came out larger than Tillet's.

all your compasons are useless, you have not got a clue about being closer to the camara,or when a car is higher than the other,JT is the only one that know's a thing about it.and it's no good people trying to talk RoelC down because over the years he only posts anything one way or the other when he is 100% sure of what he is saying,and he is right about the mesurment of Tilets face because that part is the only part on a Acromegalics face that can grown in lenghth,the head cannot,the jew and gums do,the rest can't after the long bones fuse.Andre's forhead is not over 4''.so anyone over he's eyes we can easly work out the differance,so go look up some medical books and lean somthing, the best you can give him is 6'11'' out of bed, I have never seen him look over 6'10'' in the evening in the ring,
straightahead said on 7/May/16
I dont wanna pick side here, but i highly doubt that Andre's head were anything less than 13 inches long.
Halb said on 6/May/16
All anyone has to do is browser search BMW mini versus the old UK mini, there are plenty of size pics. The old true mini is much smaller than the new BMW mini.
6'2 said on 6/May/16
the only time i ever saw andre stand straight is when he was supposedly getting measured and weighed theres a pic out there of it. its the first time i saw his neck because thats his actual height theres some absurd equation to say he was 84.5"' or something anyway thats his proper standing height no sloching and hes barefoot not sure of the year but wasnt late id say around 1980 or so anyway looks at least 7ft tall in it
RP said on 6/May/16
***Ken Patera
187 cm
6'1-5/8"
RP said on 6/May/16
Note: in his 20's, young powerlifting Ken Patera was measure @ 187 centimeters! Or 6'1.75"...he was also over 300 lbs at his largest ...310-320lbs at one point. Trimmed down to 275 & then eventually 250 lbs do to health reasons. However, no clue if that measurement was with shoes on or barefoot???
Boss said on 6/May/16
That Richard Kiel cast is not even the original cast if you read the description on item. It's a cast of a cast and measures 23" and the base and neck look longer than 6". This is an item meant for sale and is not the same as Maurice Tillet's original head mold .
Boss said on 6/May/16
Jt all your posts are BS and your ruler is also set to fit your story everytime. You claim Big Show has a 12" head and Andre is lucky if he has a 12" head. Your basically saying Show's head is larger Andre when that has been proven wrong here. You had Tillet's head at 13" on your ruler and never changed your story until the Andre and Tillets head comparisons were done and Andre's head came out larger than Tillet's.
62B said on 6/May/16
6'2 said on 4/May/16
theres not definitive proof he wasnt 7'4 i say let the legend live on his posture alone lost him several inches of height even in the 70s he never stood up to his maxium height
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Not a chance of ever being 7'4". He was around 6'11" in 1988 standing as tall as he could, early in the day. No way he lost 5" by his early 40's. The JT's, Chaz's, and ersmiths can argue all they want of a Peak Andre being 6'10" peak, and the Ryan11's can argue for a 7'4" peak all they want. Worst case scenario peak height is 6'11" best case is maybe 7'.025"
Capt. Nobody said on 5/May/16
RoelC said on 4/May/16
Boss said on 3/May/16
Here is Maurice Tillet's head mold being measured at 13" right in front of your eyes so no need to guess.
Click Here
His head was also measured at 13" at Harvard.


No it wasn't! His head was only partly measured and the medical articles stated the length of his head from the root of his nose to the bottom of his chin measured 179 millimeters, which is a little over 7 inches. Click Here
They never gave a measurement of the total length of his head. You're just making that up!

The length from the root of his nose to the bottom of his chin covered roughly 60% of his total head length, so that would result into a total head length in the region of 11.5 to 12 inches.

The 1940 Harvard measurements prove that the head mold of Tillet's head isn't accurate, as according to the mold the length from the root of his nose to the bottom of his chin is slightly over 8 inches.

Here's a picture of how that measurement took place, so no need to guess how the measurement took place either.
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So, now the molds are incorrect?
Iconjj said on 5/May/16
Here is the problem I have with this whole head size thing; we have irrefutable proof of Tillet's head size; unless I've missed something along the way we've never had an actual measurement of either Andres nor Hogans head to make a determination on whether Andres head is bigger than Tillets or not.
I'm not trying to play devils advocate here but we are going off a lot of guesstimation when it comes to Hulk. My head is 9.5 and I would bet my house Hogan has a bigger head but: by how much....we've pretty much got Andres hand nailed down to 10"...c'mon guys we can figure this out too.
Boss said on 5/May/16
Thanks Captain. Sometimes here you have to be a little repetitive just to help inform new posters to the site of actual evidence that we've gathered over the years. Look at Andre and Wilt together and then look at Wilt and Shaq and then Shaq and Big Show. Andre matches up to Wilt better than Shaq and Shaq has a couple inches on Show. Shaq and Show are only 1/4" behind Andre in the footware department and Andre has worse posture in these comparisons.
JT said on 5/May/16
Basing the actual head size on a head mold is worthless. The actual mold of Richard Kiel's noggin measures 23" from the base to the top of the head, meaning that his head would have to be in the neighborhood of 17" long, which is absurd. Click Here

IIRC TIllet's head measured around 11" to 11.5" long based on the actual measurement made from the tip of his chin to the point where the top of the nose meets the forehead. Yet Boss will keep regurgitating the same B.S. every six months or so.

Andre's head was maybe 12" and that might be pushing it Click Here Click Here
straightahead said on 5/May/16
Capt. Nobody said on 4/May/16

Who was taller, Ottman or Tenta in your opinion?

Because Tenta was, and OMG looked to be a little taller than Tenta. What you're saying goes against all the established principles involved. Despite what one photo tells you. As for OMG today, I just saw an interview from just recently and it looks like he's got quite a bit of a hunch in the back these days so I have no doubts it's hard for him to stand up straight so he might be shorter than Ottman depending on the circumstances.

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What i based my opinions from wasnt from one photo, but two. OMG was slightly shorter than Ottman, but we didnt see their footwear. Between Ottman and Tenta, Tenta was around 1 inch taller.

OMG only looked taller because you captured the moment where he looked taller, why didnt you take the screenshot when BOTH MEN had their arms up? - same height. And OMG had his typical 2 inch heeled boots, so its case closed. Tenta had one inch on OMG.
Boss said on 5/May/16
Roel C you are biased as they come. We have Maurice Tillets head being measured with photo evidence and your still trying to downgrade his head size. So we should go by your estimates over actual proof. People shouldn't pay any attention to your posts because they are based on no fact. One fact is that your an Observer fanboy and hate to think Meltzer has been milking your money with all his inside bull for all these years and a couple books on top of that. The guy who runs the website your referencing confirmed Tillets head was measured at 13" long.
Chaz said on 5/May/16
Capt. Nobody said on 4/May/16In what way? The vehicle frame itself, or overall height from the ground? The one Dirk is standing next to has a much lower suspension and more wheel/less tire.

the car is higher go read up and stop talking Rubish the car is bigger all round,I live in England I have seen 1000s of them old and new,Rob is from the UK ask him if they are taller? Boss has got it wrong end of story,the guy if heis only 7' is a good bit taller.
Gretz said on 5/May/16
Haven`t posted here much 2006-10 I was a constant poster.Always thought Andre peaked at about 7'0" for people that think he was 6'10" did he really shrink to 6'8".I really doubt this,can you really come up with an argument that he did?Because I know he lost height later in his career.
Capt. Nobody said on 5/May/16
Boss said on 3/May/16
Here is Maurice Tillet's head mold being measured at 13" right in front of your eyes so no need to guess.
Click Here

His head was also measured at 13" at Harvard.
Click Here

Andre's head in comparison would be a little larger.
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Hogan's head was 10.5" which puts Andre at 13.05".
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Here from 3 comparisons from 3 different people none of which are done by myself. Andre's head comes out 13" range every time.
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Big Show as stated here by many has a 12" head. Andre's head was longer and larger both visibly and as Terry Todd stated in a direct question about who had the bigger head. Todd also stated Andre was taller and had bigger hands and feet than Big show and that he spent time with both men. No less than a 13" head for Andre.

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I don't care what side anyone in this debate is on, you have to give credit where credit is due for this kind of work. The Tillet part of the debate is just as impressive now as it was when Boss brought it up before. Good job dude!
Capt. Nobody said on 4/May/16
straightahead said on 2/May/16
@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 15/Apr/16
Ottman wasn´t under 6´4", he still looked around that height next to visitor Robbie.
Ottman as Typhoon was around 1.5" shorter than 6´5.75" Earthquake John Tenta and as Tugboat about an inch shorter than Hogan and around 3" shorter than peak Undertakerhttp ://tinyurl.com/h48fn7j , so a solid 6´4"-6´4.25" may be the truth.

OMG/Akeem looked about 6´5.5"-6´6", near 6´6"-6´6.5" Big John Studds height.

But the strange thing is, Ottman was taller than OMG/Akeem (in their prime and still taller today) and Studd didnt look taller than 6'5 next to Fralic...


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Who was taller, Ottman or Tenta in your opinion?

Because Tenta was, and OMG looked to be a little taller than Tenta. What you're saying goes against all the established principles involved. Despite what one photo tells you. As for OMG today, I just saw an interview from just recently and it looks like he's got quite a bit of a hunch in the back these days so I have no doubts it's hard for him to stand up straight so he might be shorter than Ottman depending on the circumstances.

Click Here
Capt. Nobody said on 4/May/16
Chaz said on 1/May/16
Halb said on 29/Apr/16
The new BMW Mini is bigger than the old British Leyland Mini.

I tryed to post about that but it never got posted,the new BMW one is 2.5'' taller so Boss has 100% shown Andre was about 2-2.5'' too short.if that guy is only 7' tall.


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In what way? The vehicle frame itself, or overall height from the ground? The one Dirk is standing next to has a much lower suspension and more wheel/less tire.

Anyway, as is the case with anyone that stood with Shaq or Wilt, as is the case with Show and Andre, the point of comparison is all there if you want to see it.

Click Here

Now, we can't see the feet but it looks about like what Show did facing off with Shaq and we've seen Dirk and Show in that shot, and they look about the same height in it and they measure up to Shaq about the same, it all seems to fit about right. Wilt was a bit taller than Shaq in dress shoes, while Shaq was in sneakers, and Andre in cowboy boots was a bit taller than Wilt with similar posture so....
RoelC said on 4/May/16
Boss said on 3/May/16
Here is Maurice Tillet's head mold being measured at 13" right in front of your eyes so no need to guess.
Click Here
His head was also measured at 13" at Harvard.


No it wasn't! His head was only partly measured and the medical articles stated the length of his head from the root of his nose to the bottom of his chin measured 179 millimeters, which is a little over 7 inches. Click Here
They never gave a measurement of the total length of his head. You're just making that up!

The length from the root of his nose to the bottom of his chin covered roughly 60% of his total head length, so that would result into a total head length in the region of 11.5 to 12 inches.

The 1940 Harvard measurements prove that the head mold of Tillet's head isn't accurate, as according to the mold the length from the root of his nose to the bottom of his chin is slightly over 8 inches.

Here's a picture of how that measurement took place, so no need to guess how the measurement took place either.
Click Here
6'2 said on 4/May/16
theres not definitive proof he wasnt 7'4 i say let the legend live on his posture alone lost him several inches of height even in the 70s he never stood up to his maxium height
er4smiths said on 4/May/16
@Smarty - one of the smartest comments ever made on this forum.
Chaz said on 4/May/16
Boss said on 2/May/16
Andre is taller than Dirk in that comparison.

in what comparison? it's you that has made the mistake, thinking the Mini's are the same height,not only is Andre in thinker heel shoes and standing more upright, the the Car Dirk is by is 2.5'' taller so ether this comparison is right and Dirk is 2-2.5'' taller or all your comparisons are useless which one is it Boss?
JT said on 3/May/16
Chaz said on 29/Apr/16
......6'5''Chris Taylor in the same heel boots come over he's eyes.so Andre was 2-2.5'' too short to be 7' let alone 7'3''

Not sure if Chris Taylor was a legit 6’5”. That was his listed height in college wrestling. He certainly looked over 400 lbs. though.

Here’s Taylor and Alexander Medved who has 6’2.5” and 6’3” listings. Click Here

Here’s Taylor with Ken Patera Click Here who’s a good 2 inches shorter than 6’2” Tony Atlas Click Here As I recall, Patera looked roughly Bobby Heenan’s height and maybe a little taller.
ohmike said on 3/May/16
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he is taller than the door frame ,
@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 3/May/16
straightahead said on 2/May/16
@HeightcrazyRed6ft

But the strange thing is, Ottman was taller than OMG/Akeem (in their prime and still taller today) and Studd didnt look taller than 6'5 next to Fralic...


It´s one strange pic with Ottmann and OMG with a bad camrea angle to judge height - I wouldn´t take that serious regarding height estimation.
Studd clearly looked 3cm taller than Fralic, so the lowest I can give Studd is a supersolid 6´6".
Boss said on 3/May/16
Here is Maurice Tillet's head mold being measured at 13" right in front of your eyes so no need to guess.
Click Here

His head was also measured at 13" at Harvard.
Click Here

Andre's head in comparison would be a little larger.
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Hogan's head was 10.5" which puts Andre at 13.05".
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Here from 3 comparisons from 3 different people none of which are done by myself. Andre's head comes out 13" range every time.
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Big Show as stated here by many has a 12" head. Andre's head was longer and larger both visibly and as Terry Todd stated in a direct question about who had the bigger head. Todd also stated Andre was taller and had bigger hands and feet than Big show and that he spent time with both men. No less than a 13" head for Andre.
Smarty said on 3/May/16
ReturnofG said on 1/May/16
Plus after talking to Kevin Nash in Morganton, NC a month ago, even he said Andre was taller and he met both of them.

Nash also told me that he was taller then Andre when he met him a year ago.

The truth is Andre's height is always going to have a question mark next to it since most of the people in the wrestling industry either refuse to tell the truth about Andre's height or have simply lost themselves to kayfabe.
straightahead said on 2/May/16
@HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 15/Apr/16
Ottman wasn´t under 6´4", he still looked around that height next to visitor Robbie.
Ottman as Typhoon was around 1.5" shorter than 6´5.75" Earthquake John Tenta and as Tugboat about an inch shorter than Hogan and around 3" shorter than peak Undertakerhttp ://tinyurl.com/h48fn7j , so a solid 6´4"-6´4.25" may be the truth.

OMG/Akeem looked about 6´5.5"-6´6", near 6´6"-6´6.5" Big John Studds height.

But the strange thing is, Ottman was taller than OMG/Akeem (in their prime and still taller today) and Studd didnt look taller than 6'5 next to Fralic...
straightahead said on 2/May/16
Andre had a 15-16 inches long head?! seriously!? RYAN11 is trolling. (and he says I am the one who should be ignored...)

His head might had been 13 inches
Boss said on 2/May/16
Andre is taller than Dirk in that comparison.
Chaz said on 1/May/16
Halb said on 29/Apr/16
The new BMW Mini is bigger than the old British Leyland Mini.

I tryed to post about that but it never got posted,the new BMW one is 2.5'' taller so Boss has 100% shown Andre was about 2-2.5'' too short.if that guy is only 7' tall.
ReturnofG said on 1/May/16
RYAN11 said on 27/Apr/16
I'd say Andre was closer to 7'1 maybe 7'1.5 a little over an inch taller than Big Show peak. Big Show from day one has worn much bigger heeled boots than andre ever did in the ring and still looked around the same height with people Andre did. Plus after talking to Kevin Nash in Morganton, NC a month ago, even he said Andre was taller and he met both of them.
Iconjj said on 29/Apr/16
@ Ryan11 I'm one of the biggest naysayers against "too short andre" but IMO this is exaggerating a bit...
Halb said on 29/Apr/16
The new BMW Mini is bigger than the old British Leyland Mini.
Chaz said on 29/Apr/16
RYAN11 said on 27/Apr/16
Hogan was 6'7" peak, there is nothing to prove otherwise. Andres head was more like 15-16 inches, you could fit nearly two normal man's heads into his and every picture of Andre with Mean Gene or Vince proves that. So he had the then 6'7" Hogan by at least 8". Peak Andre because of his massive head was 7'2-3" with ease. The Wilt Chamberlain pictures are all at different angles with each of them at different distance to the camera, besides that Arnold we know was overy 6'1" and Andre had him by way over a foot taller.


lol Hogan 6'7''? how tall was Kamala and John Quinn then? please stop with this 16'' face he's face was just under 12'' the 6'' mark is just over the tip of he's nose.a 6'5 '' man in the same boots would come 1'' below that in the same boots.6'5''Chris Taylor in the same heel boots come over he's eyes.so Andre was 2-2.5'' too short to be 7' let alone 7'3''
RYAN11 said on 27/Apr/16
Hogan was 6'7" peak, there is nothing to prove otherwise. Andres head was more like 15-16 inches, you could fit nearly two normal man's heads into his and every picture of Andre with Mean Gene or Vince proves that. So he had the then 6'7" Hogan by at least 8". Peak Andre because of his massive head was 7'2-3" with ease. The Wilt Chamberlain pictures are all at different angles with each of them at different distance to the camera, besides that Arnold we know was overy 6'1" and Andre had him by way over a foot taller.
LoganNoll1996 said on 23/Apr/16
Interesting find, Boss. The top of Hogan's head is around or below Andre's eye level which would indicate a 5 inch difference for two normal individuals. But Andre's head was 12" or so according to most people so the difference could've been 6 inches between the two. A peak 6'6" Hogan would put a peak Andre around 7'0" - 7'0.5" in my opinion.
Boss said on 20/Apr/16
Here Andre and Hulk in 1980. Hulk has more of a footware advantage here than at Wrestlemania 3. Andre is wearing .5" boots and Hogan around 1.25" so 3/4" advantage to Hulk. Andre could lift his head at least an inch higher as he is looking down at Hulk.
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Boss said on 18/Apr/16
It's easy for a 7' guy to look 6'10" because of posture, etc. It is much harder for a 6'10" guy to look 7'.
zaq said on 17/Apr/16
how come in a lot of videos and pictures looks like he only got 4-5 inches on hogan so im thinking like 6'9-6'10
but also hogan looked to be the same height as the rock who is 6'3 ??
Capt.Nobody said on 16/Apr/16
Boss said on 13/Apr/16
Good to see The Captain back.

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Good to see you still coming up with interesting and realistic data to back up your stance and take this conversation closer towards an answer. It's just too bad nobody wants to follow down that path on the other side of aisle. I guess that's the fun of it though! haha.
straightahead said on 16/Apr/16
@er4smiths said on 15/Apr/16
JT and straightahead win again. Guys this is such a silly argument. Andre was never close to 7 feet tall period. How some of you can't see that is kind of sad. Some of us never left the world of kayfabe ha ha

You have some strong points. TY. But Andre might have been,if not 7ft, but atleast very close to it in his peak, since he looked 6'10 with Hogan as well as Tyler Mane kinda late in his career, but theres no solid proofs. 7ft peak is possible, but he looked 6'10 mostly of his career
Boss said on 16/Apr/16
Here 7' Dirk Nowitski and Big Show. Dirk is leaning and is probably around an inch taller than Big Show.
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Andre and Dirk Nowitski.
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Capt. Nobody said on 15/Apr/16
JT said on 13/Apr/16
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OK, for that to be accurate, in the shot with Wilt and Andre (once again, the ultimate frame of reference), how much heel would Andre have to have to match up to Wilt in the first place?
Capt. Nobody said on 15/Apr/16
straightahead said on 13/Apr/16
In the ring, Ottman looked almost same height as Tenta, but Ottman was listed 6'3? However what if Tenta was 6'4 or 6'5 and not 6'5 3/4. But if he was, then Ottman could be close to 6'5.

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Tenta, much like Andre, got a good deal of his height from his huge head. He was taller than Typhoon who had more of a normal head size, if not a bit smaller for his frame. People tend to look at shoulder height, waist height, and crotch height then typically come to a quick assumption on height, but that's just based on visuals not actual height.


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HeightcrazyRed6ft said on 15/Apr/16
Ottman wasn´t under 6´4", he still looked around that height next to visitor Robbie.
Ottman as Typhoon was around 1.5" shorter than 6´5.75" Earthquake John Tenta and as Tugboat about an inch shorter than Hogan and around 3" shorter than peak Undertakerhttp ://tinyurl.com/h48fn7j , so a solid 6´4"-6´4.25" may be the truth.

OMG/Akeem looked about 6´5.5"-6´6", near 6´6"-6´6.5" Big John Studds height.
JT said on 15/Apr/16
Click Here Click Here Not perfect but makes for an interesting comparison. Rob has James Garner at 6’2” and Kate Moss at 5’6” although her legs are probably bent with that stance.
er4smiths said on 15/Apr/16
JT and straightahead win again. Guys this is such a silly argument. Andre was never close to 7 feet tall period. How some of you can't see that is kind of sad. Some of us never left the world of kayfabe ha ha
straightahead said on 13/Apr/16
In the ring, Ottman looked almost same height as Tenta, but Ottman was listed 6'3? However what if Tenta was 6'4 or 6'5 and not 6'5 3/4. But if he was, then Ottman could be close to 6'5.

Whats the most realistic?
JT said on 13/Apr/16
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Boss said on 13/Apr/16
Good to see The Captain back.
Boss said on 13/Apr/16
@ mrtguy

Just kinda threw that comparison together quickly just to give an idea.
Boss said on 13/Apr/16
Andre has 2" heels on his boots.Click Here Click Here This gives around a 1.8" height boost. Wilt and Arnold are both wearing boots with around 1" heels.Click Here Click Here Shaq and Big Show are both getting a 1.5" boost from their footware. Wilt with Shaq was wearing dress shoes so around 3/4" height boost to Wilt. Also, Andre has the worst posture of all the guys in these comparisons and could easily stand an inch taller. Hogan lost too much height to be any kind of real reference as Rob has him at 6'6" peak and 6'3" now but an early Hogan was below Andre's eyes and Hogan had footware advantage in ring gear. Every part of Andre's head was large and not normal in comparison in any way to another person. JT despises Andre and is a Big Show and Meltzer FANBOY since the 10+ years that I've been posting here maybe because he met Big Show. Funny thing is he was the one that said Andre had 2" heels in the first place which give a 1'8" boost and Wilt was wearing thin souled moccasins. When we found out Wilt and Arnold had heels on their boots then he changed his tune to Andre's custom made boots theory because it's the only way to make him 6'10' like Meltzer said. Think about it if your paying for Meltzer's news letter which is pretty expensive and add books. You would want to believe your are really getting good inside information. He actually altered pictures to remove Andre's acromegalic chin to make his head smaller in comparison and his magic ruler always is set to fit his story if it makes Wilt 6'11.5" in boots or others shorter than their measured heights just to get Andre to 6'10". They would argue Ernie ladd was same height as Andre because that was Meltzer's story until Ernie Ladd was asked that very question and said " I'm 6'9" and Andre was taller than me by far". Then of course a measured 6'9" Ladd was downgraded to 6'7" to fit their story. Then we have Terry Todd's email shooting down everything JT had to say about his Andre and Big Show comparisons stating having spent time with both men that Andre was a bit over 7' when they first met and was down a peg or two years later and Andre's head, hands, feet were larger than Big Show's. Remember, Andre was listed less than 7' here at first and with evidence his height was raised to 7'.
Andre past his peak and with worse posture with head tilted down still 7' range barefoot with a peak Bret Hart in sneakers.Click Here
Capt.Nobody said on 11/Apr/16
miko said on 9/Apr/16
A prime Big Show/Andre face to face would have resulted in Andre looking up, that's for sure.

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It depends on whether or not Big Show was wearing his ginormo wrestling boots or not. If not, then most likely he wouldn't.

Lets think about this folks. Show in huge heels, at the least equal to Shaqs heels at WM, has Shaq coming out taller. Wilt was taller than Shaq. Andre with about 1.5-2 inches more lift than Wilt was a bit taller than Wilt most likely. So.... the math is all there.

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Also it depends on whether or not Andre's head were up on any stare down. Here's an interesting shot I forgot I messed with when I did that Wilt shot fix. Wilts obviously not standing his tallest either, but interesting anyway.

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mrtguy said on 11/Apr/16
@Boss the comparison of Big Show/Shaq vs Andre/Wilt pics looks poorly edited, I'm sorry otherwise your other pics look good.
JT said on 11/Apr/16
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Andre and Hogan in similar footwear from 1985 Click Here Hogan in basketball shoes and Shaq in sandals from 1994 Click Here Hogan comes up to at least Andre's eye level and maybe up to Shaq's upper lip. The length of Andre's head from the eyes up was nothing special. W/o his custom made cowboy boots, Andre was significantly shorter than Shaq (IMO around 3 inches shorter).
Boss said on 10/Apr/16
Andre and 5'11" Chief Jay Strong Bow and 6'1" Victor Rivera on end. Andre is probably at .5" footware disadvantage in this pic. They are standing in the exact same spot and you can clearly see by lifting his head up fully he becomes a couple inches taller. Click Here
Boss said on 10/Apr/16
Big Show in wrestling boots or Shaq in sneakers are very likely getting 1.5" boost from their footware and Andre around 1 3/4" boost from his footware. Andre's wrestling boots were thin souled 1/2" boots. So in cowboy boots 1/4" advantage to Andre. Wilt's boots and Arnold's boots both have around 1" heels.

Here are a few of Jt's comparisons. Wilt in one of Jt's comparison comes out 6'11.5" in boots. We have 4 pictures of Andre and Wilt standing side by side and those Andre and Wilt comparisons are a joke. Just like your Big Show and Andre comparisons are also terribly inaccurate and biased toward Big Show.
The truth is Andre matched up to Wilt better than a peak Shaq did and we know how Big Show matched up to Shaq.Click Here
Boss said on 10/Apr/16
straightahead said on 9/Apr/16
@mrtguy said on 9/Apr/16
By far, you have the worst comparisons that I've ever seen

I guess you missed the fact that a older Arnold did measured up atleast as good next to Shaq than what a peak Arnold did next to Andre? im leaning more a more towards a peak 7ft Andre rather than a 6'10 Andre

Yep and Rob has Arnold down too 5'11.5" now and had him at 6'1.5" with Andre. So going by that Arnold was 2 " taller in the Andre and Wilt pics than he was with Shaq.
Boss said on 10/Apr/16
Wilt in his 40's was taller than a peak Shaq even with Shaq's footware advantage.
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Boss said on 10/Apr/16
Well if Shaq is 7' range. Big Show with 1.25"-1.5" heels on his boots is at least 2" shorter than Shaq now. Although, Shaq's shoes are probably close to Show's boots. A 40 year old Wilt Chamberlain in dress shoes was taller than a peak Shaq in his sneakers. Big Show never looked 7'4" lucky if he ever hit 7' barefoot.
Dub said on 10/Apr/16
Starting to think Boss is Andres personal assistant!
miko said on 9/Apr/16
A prime Big Show/Andre face to face would have resulted in Andre looking up, that's for sure.
straightahead said on 9/Apr/16
@mrtguy said on 9/Apr/16
By far, you have the worst comparisons that I've ever seen

I guess you missed the fact that a older Arnold did measured up atleast as good next to Shaq than what a peak Arnold did next to Andre? im leaning more a more towards a peak 7ft Andre rather than a 6'10 Andre
mrtguy said on 9/Apr/16
James B said on 8/Apr/16
Don't mean to be horrible but I don't think big show will be alive in 15 years

No body cares about your opinion, Big Show is doing well in his mid 40's

Boss said on 7/Apr/16
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straightahead said on 9/Apr/16
Boss, you really got me there. I have to admit Andre looked easily 7ft there since he is a full head length taller than Arnold, even when asuming Andre's head was "only" 12 inches long (but it looked more like 13) he seems 7+ft there, i dont know what kinda advantage his footwear gave him, but i have no problem with a PEAK 7ft Andre, however he mostly looked 6'10 during his career compared to other wrestlers.
James B said on 8/Apr/16
Don't mean to be horrible but I don't think big show will be alive in 15 years
Boss said on 7/Apr/16
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mrtguy said on 6/Apr/16
Rob, I don't know if your joking or not. I doubt he'd end up that short within the time frame. If Big Show kept up his weight within 15 years... than I can see him losing a little height, but if he sheds huge amount of weight and stretch his toes, he'd probably still be at the mark you listed him at.

Recently, Big Show's staredown with Shaq who has footwear advantage Click Here proves to me Big Show didn't lose any height since 2009 Click Here let the rest to all the downgraders . Big Show is probably a strong 6'11'' today, but in the past I'm not saying that he was 7'4'' but he easily looked that height to me and can get the vibe. As for Big Show's peak probably a little over 7foot Click Here
RoelC said on 5/Apr/16
Boss said on 30/Mar/16
Emile Dupree would be the Andre the Giant connection in Vancouver he was a wrestler/promoter out of Montreal who wrestled for NWA All-Stars Vancouver. Haystacks Calhoun was also there in 1968 and the Assassins. So everything adds up in Jody Hamilton's account adds up. Also, athletic commissions don't measure wrestlers heights as they are just sanctioning bodies and medical reports come from the wrestlers physicans. These medical reports are more for health and diseases that can be spread to ensure safety.

Emile Dupree wasn't a promoter back then and like you said: he wrestled for NWA All-Stars in Vancouver. Vancouver and Montreal were two different wrestling territories. Again, why would Frank Valois, who was Andre's business adviser at the time, tell him to go to Vancouver, when Valois himself was affilliated with the Montreal area.
That's like Vince McMahon signing a popular European wrestler in the 90's and then bring him over to the US to have him wrestle in WCW. So no, nothing from Jody Hamilton's story adds up. It also doesn't make sense to bring a wrestler to Canada all the way over from Europe, have him do a pre-promotional tour, but not have him wrestle a single match.
mrtguy said on 4/Apr/16
Rob, with all honesty do you see Big Show in the future going through Andre's fate in shrinking height??
Editor Rob: there will come a time in 15 years when Big Show no longer bangs his head on the bathroom door in the morning and sheds a little tear as he realises he's down to a mere 6ft 8.
Boss said on 4/Apr/16
Andre started wrestling in France at age 17-18. He was billed at 2.08m and 2.10m or 6'10" and 6'10 3/4" at this time and there are photos from 1963-64 with another French wrestler. On the A&E documentary his brother said his height really took off at age 16. He was wrestling for a few years before going to England to wrestle and was continually growing till age 25. He was being billed in France and England in 1968 and 1969 at 2.14m and 213cm or 7' and before this got more 2.11m or 6'11 billings than 2.10m. He was being billed at 2.18m or 7'1.5" at age 22 in Japan and I've also seen 217cm in Japan early. His head also got alot bigger by 1972 so this would add to his height. Look at Andre age in the 1972 cake photos and then look at him at age 18 and there is quite a size difference. Andre in 1971 gives his own height as 2.14m or 7'0 1/4" which doesn't sound like a billed height to me anyway. So not false billings but maybe not fully accurate ones.
Capt.Nobody said on 4/Apr/16
JT said on 1/Apr/16
62B said on 29/Mar/16
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I actually think both of those photo's show Andre right around the 7' mark…

Click Here Not even 6'10" in shoes although he is leaning somewhat - no way he's even close to 7'1" in shoes standing straight.

Rob has Roger Moore at 6’1.5” Click Here My brother is around 6’0” and I was measured at 6’5” via a stadiometer last year Click Here This assumes the 5’11” aunt is getting a full 3” from her heels, which is not realistic. A 7’1” or even 7’0” guy would dwarf a 6’5” guy.


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What is the length of Andre's head again? I'm pretty sure it's not this, but it always come out this way next to these rulers. Strange. Or is it?
RoelC said on 4/Apr/16
Boss said on 30/Mar/16
Andre was getting 7' billings in 1968 and 1969. The 6'10-6'11 billings were from when he first started at age 17-18 and since they didn't measure him they used old billings.
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His weight clearly changed on the majority of those billings. When he made his UK debut in 1969 they billed him at 24st. That's 336lbs or 152kg. His billed weight at age 18 was 135kg. So they clearly weren't using old billings.
If your height is the main attraction and a huge selling point for wrestling cards, you can be damn sure that wrestling promoters would know what Andre's real height was. You think Vince McMahon Sr. never bothered to measure Andre? Considering he was still using the 7'4" billing Andre had while wrestling in Canada? I doubt it.
During 1969 he was mostly billed at 6'11" and referred to in magazines as 6'11". You would think if Andre was measured at 7'1 the year before he (or his business representatives) would mention this to local promoters. After all it's in his own best interests if they sell him to the audience in the best way possible. Billing him 2 inches below his actual height sounds contradictive to me.
You can tell certain billings are exaggerations when you look at his billed weight. In Japan they billed him at 180kg (a whopping 397lbs), when in Germany a few months later he was billed at 315 lbs. The same goes for that newspaper clipping of Andre at age 19. Andre was nowhere near 350 lbs at age 19. In that 1971 video Andre is just quoting his wrestling height & weight (214cm and 171 kg). It's a wrestling promo video after all.
straightahead said on 4/Apr/16
@NCL, its zero chance for Hogan's arms to ever have been 24 inches. Think about it, if they were a legit 24 inches dont you think they would had been advertised much bigger i.e 27-28 or something? In a comparison, Lou Ferrigno had 22 1/2 arms at his biggest if i remember correctly, and this was when he was a legit 300+ lbs.

@Dallas Native ok, then Andre must have had his absolute mystery peak in early 70's, but he kinda often got billed 6'10 back then. So Boss how can you claim that a man who was only in his early 20's already had OLD false billings? Andre hadnt been around so very long
62B said on 4/Apr/16
JT said on 1/Apr/16
62B said on 29/Mar/16
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I actually think both of those photo's show Andre right around the 7' mark…

Click Here Not even 6'10" in shoes although he is leaning somewhat - no way he's even close to 7'1" in shoes standing straight.

Rob has Roger Moore at 6’1.5” Click Here My brother is around 6’0” and I was measured at 6’5” via a stadiometer last year Click Here This assumes the 5’11” aunt is getting a full 3” from her heels, which is not realistic. A 7’1” or even 7’0” guy would dwarf a 6’5” guy.
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I get that you truly believe Andre was never over 6'10". Your morphed or photo shopped pictures with rulers or making two or 3 pictures into one just aren't as accurate as you think. In 1988 early in the day standing as tall as he could, Andre was at the very least 6'10", but in my opinion closer to 6'11". I do believe that 6 to 8 hours later with bad posture he might have measured under 6'10" on that same day. I believe that when he was younger and at his peak, that he probably held his height through out the day better, and he was likely an inch taller than when I bumped into him. What most, if not all of your photo shopped pictures do not show is how immense Andre was. It wasn't just his height. In person it was like running into a live CGI character. I've seen enough 6'7"- 6'9" people and one guy about 7'2" or 7'3" up close to know I am pretty close on my estimation. He was likely taller in his early 20's than he was at 40. Probably not by much, but 6'11 1/2" to 7" 1/4" peak seems more realistic than 6'10".
NCL said on 1/Apr/16
Boss, I appreciate all of your posts. Not your fault people get upset when you constantly provide links backing up your theory and some here don't.

To be fair, it's going to be really hard for ANYONE to prove one way or another a conclusive height. But if you do find the video of him being measured, I'd watch it in a heartbeat!

Yes, the height tape could have been rigged. But I don't think anyone should just dismiss it as that until we see it. We can all at least get our opinions in if we see the video.

Maybe Hogan's was rigged when his biceps were measured at 24". But maybe it wasn't. Is it really out of the realm of possibility that a man of Hogan's size and power could have had 24" biceps or at least close to it?

Can someone post the Andre obituary again? I thought it did say he was measured at 6'10". Boss, did you say something about he was measured by the metrics system and he came out a littler taller than that? Is there a clipping of that?
Dallas Native said on 1/Apr/16
I met Andre many times in the late 1970s, early 80s. He was 6'10 not 7 foot.
straightahead said on 1/Apr/16
Such as gentle honest man he was, if he claimed 7ft then he could well had been 7ft in his peak. Question is... when did he have that peak? i have no problem with a 7ft Andre The Giant, its just a matter of evidence.
JT said on 1/Apr/16
62B said on 29/Mar/16
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I actually think both of those photo's show Andre right around the 7' mark…

Click Here Not even 6'10" in shoes although he is leaning somewhat - no way he's even close to 7'1" in shoes standing straight.

Rob has Roger Moore at 6’1.5” Click Here My brother is around 6’0” and I was measured at 6’5” via a stadiometer last year Click Here This assumes the 5’11” aunt is getting a full 3” from her heels, which is not realistic. A 7’1” or even 7’0” guy would dwarf a 6’5” guy.
Dub said on 30/Mar/16
He wouldn't have been listed 6ft 10in by British promoters in late 1960s if he was measured over 7ft.

If he had been measured 7ft 1in every promoter in Europe would have milked that yet they billed him as 6ft 10in on posters.
Boss said on 30/Mar/16
Andre was getting 7' billings in 1968 and 1969. The 6'10-6'11 billings were from when he first started at age 17-18 and since they didn't measure him they used old billings. Andre was still growing into his 20's. Andre was stated as being 7' at age 19 in a UK newspaper.
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Here Andre's first Japan tour at 218cm or 7'1.5".
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Andre refers to himself at 2.14m in 1971.
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Here are Nwa All-Star events from 1968.Click Here
Emile Dupree would be the Andre the Giant connection in Vancouver he was a wrestler/promoter out of Montreal who wrestled for NWA All-Stars Vancouver. Haystacks Calhoun was also there in 1968 and the Assassins. So everything adds up in Jody Hamilton's account adds up. Also, athletic commissions don't measure wrestlers heights as they are just sanctioning bodies and medical reports come from the wrestlers physicans. These medical reports are more for health and diseases that can be spread to ensure safety.
mrtguy said on 30/Mar/16
JT said on 28/Mar/16
Even assuming that Vancouver video exists, why would it be any more trustworthy than Hogan having his arms measured at 24" on Tuesday Night Titans? This is Andre in probably the late 60s with his 5’11” aunt (under 6’2” in heels). Click Here Andre would need a head size plus on her if he was in the 7’1” range, especially since his jaw had not fully elongated yet. Probably late 60s as well with a 53” tall Mini Cooper. Click Here Andre wasn't remotely close to 7'1" and was probably a good three inches shorter than that.


JT, all your theories about a Peak Andre being 6'10'' is absurd, do you not remember this Click Here Terry Todd himself who met Andre by person said "he was a good 7′ early in his career, and maybe a bit more, but age, a terrible back, and gravity brought him “down” a peg or two."

To be honest, based on any pictures of Andre or any wrestlers , you can´t get any height out of that pic, those are just estimations. The only way we would could tell if Andre the Giant was 7'' or 6'10'' is on a measuring tape or stadiometer. No way were your gonna tell he's 6'10'' just by looking at him.
62B said on 29/Mar/16
JT said on 28/Mar/16
Even assuming that Vancouver video exists, why would it be any more trustworthy than Hogan having his arms measured at 24" on Tuesday Night Titans? This is Andre in probably the late 60s with his 5’11” aunt (under 6’2” in heels). Click Here Andre would need a head size plus on her if he was in the 7’1” range, especially since his jaw had not fully elongated yet. Probably late 60s as well with a 53” tall Mini Cooper. Click Here Andre wasn't remotely close to 7'1" and was probably a good three inches shorter than that.
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I actually think both of those photo's show Andre right around the 7' mark. If his Aunt is indeed 5'11 and about 6'1.5" in those heels. For one his Aunt has better posture and two Andre is tilting his head down. Straighten Andres head and remove his Aunts puffy hair and he is a full head taller despite what you think you see. Putting Andre's head at 12" that makes him 7'1.5" in shoes. If his Aunt is getting 2.5" lift from her shoes, I don't se Andre getting any more than 1.25" from his shoes. That would make him about 7'.025" barefoot. Andre is leaning on the Mini. At roughly 4.5' to the top of the Mini like you say, it is barley up to his midsection. You really don't think there would be another 2.5' to the top of his head? I do agree any measurement done on a wrestling TV show has to be taken with a grain of salt and can not be taken as any kind of proof.
RoelC said on 29/Mar/16
LoganNoll1996 said on 24/Mar/16
Wasn't it mentioned somewhere on here that he was "officially" measured by his trainer as 7'0.5" in his prime?

This board is famous for many "fake" measurements. If I got a dollar every time someone is claiming Andre was measured at a certain height, I'd be.......well I wouldn't be rich, but I would have at least 20 dollars by now.

One time it's Andre's trainer, the other time it's Andre's handler claiming he was measured at 7ft+. It's apparently very hard to get a name with the person who’s making these claims. Andre's trainer? Which one?
The picture of Edouard Carpentier measuring Andre is not proof of that measurement, despite what some here would like you to believe. Here’s a copy of said article.
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At no point in that article do they refer to a 7'1.5" measurement. They stick to the 7'4" listing, like nearly all North American wrestling mags did. Vince McMahon Sr. was
very protective of Andre's stature and legacy and by the time this article came out he was already under contract with the Click Here

When talking about Andre, Edouard Carpentier always stuck to kayfabe, so I doubt he would be the trainer that broke kayfabe. Besides, Carpentier was a very famous wrestler (at least in Canada), so if he would claim Andre was measured at 7'1.5", one would think the claim would be directly linked to his name and not refer to him as merely Andre's trainer. Old school wrestling fans know who Carpentier is, and "real" Andre fans certainly know who he is.
On the internet it's very easy to make these fake claims. Just claim you're Andre's trainer or Andre's nephew and voila, you can start making measurement claims. People that wanna believe a certain height for Andre will buy anything that supports their theory. You don't even have to provide the slightest bit of proof of said measurement or have to prove that you are who you say you are.
And that applies to a lot of the measurement claims I've seen popping up on this board. The only two measurement claims that weren't made by fanboys are the 6'9 ¾ claim made by wrestling journalist Dave Meltzer and the 7'1 ¼ claim made by The Assassin. Considering there's little proof to either measurement, they both don't hold much value until some proof shows up.

The claim made by Meltzer seems more believable than the one made by The Assassin, despite what I think Andre's actual height was. It just adds up more to Andre's career path as described in various biographies about Andre. Andre was wrestling in France at the age of 24 and still had 6'10" billings at the age of 23. A 6'10" measurement at age 24 doesn't seem that far-fetched to me.
The Assassins claim however doesn't add up to any biography I've ever read on Andre. According to those it was Frank Valois and Edouard Carpentier that got Andre to North America. Both met Andre in the mid 60's and Valois became Andre's friend & business adviser during those years. I would think if Andre appeared in Canada in 1968 for the first time it would be in the Montreal area (Valois & Carpentier's area) and not the Vancouver area. If The Assassins story is true that would mean Frank Valois & Edouard Carpentier weren't the ones who brought Andre to North America for the first time. And why would Andre do a pre-promotional tour if he didn't wrestle there until 1971.
Then there's also the supposed height of Andre. Are we to believe that Andre was "underbilled" for several years? The UK promoters carefully planned his arrival in 1969 and made a big deal of his size. And yet they billed him at 6'10" upon arrival.
Even in a 1968 video segment in France, Andre was described as 211cm (which is 6'11"). I've never heard of a giant wrestler that was billed 2-3 inches below his actual height.
Boss said on 29/Mar/16
Andre's head is down in that pic which makes him look 2 inches shorter than with his head up as we have already proven here. The bottom of Andre's chin is still 12-13 inches to top of his head.

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